hello guys,

i want to discuss the plans, that austria and slovenia should work together in flight monitoring, so that slovenian military airjet observe austria and austrian military jets observe slovenia etc.in front of saving money for both countries.

What do you think about this plans? Since a few month this plans are back to sleep:ohno:

In my opinion this would be a great chance to bring us both countries nearer, also in front of dealing with the past.

What i also want to declare is, that i'm for the bilingual rules in Kärnten, and that the governement in Vienna should implement this immediately.:)

As it is in Obala Region (Italian) and also in Murska Sobota-Lendava
(Hungarian)

I'm interested in your opinions..

lep pozdrav

ronald

Well the monitoring with the jets, is quite impossible for our country, because we only have Pilatus turbo-propeller planes and even those are mostly school aircraft. As I recall Slovenian airspace is already ''guarded'' by the angels from Aviano air force base in Italy. But it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a ''joint venture'' like that made sometimes. After that, we only have to buy a fighter jet. =)

thx for your answer Struckar.

I didn't know that.

Maybe it would be better to enforce other agendas between Slovenia and Austria.

Maybe it would be better to enforce other agendas between Slovenia and Austria.

Haha :)

I agree :)

It's nice to see someone interested in Austrian and Slovenian cooperation.

Hello Jure88

Of course :) The only problems are in Kärnten with this stupid german-nationalistic thinking dogs. They don't know the history or don't want to know.

Austria was always slavic influenced, this goes back to 7,8 century, many austrian have slavic heritage, the most in Vienna (Slovak, Czech, Polish). The german speaking people came long after the slavic speaking people which lived in Austria much longer before.

Yes i'm interested, because we can learn from another, and of course this should be enforced, as you know that there are many austrian firms operating in Slovenia.

I'm also for operating in the rescue services (Fire brigades, Paramedics), so that Slovenian ambulances and fire brigades can drive into Austria if there are accidents and disasters, and also austrian can drive into Slovenia for the same.

I mean why not?

Well there is quite some joint training operations on this field every year. I remember there was a drill with a few Slovenian and Austrian fire brigades last year near Klagenfurt/Celovec, or at least in this vicinity (of the Karavanke tunel). I'm not really sure what do you mean with your post. Minor accidents, where if it just so happens that a ''foreign'' unit is the closest, it should go help, or major accidents (like a chain collision of 10 or more cars) in the vicinity of the border?

hi struckar

yes i mean major accidents near or directly on the borders, but not only in this cases.

The question is also how do they manage the language barriere?

you live near the borders to Kärnten/Koroska?

Well near is a relative thing, I do live some 20km in air distance, but that's already near Ljubljana. Language barrier? English. No barrier. Even though probably a lot of people living near the border speak both Slovene and German.

Well, at school I had English and French but I'm sure I'd be better off with German instead of French.

@Ronald

As it was explained before, we cannot contribute any jets, but I like the idea.
Historicaly I'm slightly apprehensive about Italians.

"Long live Isonzo Armee"!

@Primus

I know the problems how the slovenian minority is treated in Trieste, and i know that they are not treated the same way like the italians in Obala Region of Slovenia.

The nationalistic thinking is generally a problem.

I personally like the slovenian people, also because we have many things with them, for example the "Blasmusik" Slavko Avsenic and the Oberkrainer and also the regions with the alps is very similar to Austria.

This and many other things, should bring both countries much nearer. The slovenian guys which i know in Portoroz (i have a few friends now because i always go to Portoroz every year), are very friendly and i mean really friends.

On the other site, the slovenian girls seem to me a little bit shy to foreigners?

Regards
Ronald

Yes, it would be possible. But in our country, if you like Östereich you are a racist for most of the people (and dont even think about Germany, because then you are like a nacist)... Brain-washing from Yugoslavian time ;)

this is one part of a joke, but the second part is actually true

@BeliF

hmm.. i don't know what you want to say with this sentence?

BeliF

I don't have a problem with the old times in YU. I treat people not because of ethnic or language or religion, i treat the people because of there character.

In every country there are good and bad people.

Joj, Belif, kakšne neumnosti spet kvasiš. Pa kakšen nacist, neki??? Rajši zbriši svoj post, ker je absurden, neresničen in žaljiv, tako do Slovencev kot do Avstrijcev in Nemcev. Pa saj še vedno ogromno Slovencev kupuje v Avstriji in vsi občudujemo germansko miselnost in njihovo kvaliteto.

Yes, it would be possible. But in our country, if you like Östereich you are a racist for most of the people (and dont even think about Germany, because then you are like a nacist)...Where did you get that? :nuts:

hello guys,

i want to discuss the plans, that austria and slovenia should work together in flight monitoring, so that slovenian military airjet observe austria and austrian military jets observe slovenia etc.in front of saving money for both countries.

What do you think about this plans?I don't think this is possible since we're in NATO and you aren't. :dunno:

Joj, Belif, kakšne neumnosti spet kvasiš. Pa kakšen nacist, neki??? Rajši zbriši svoj post, ker je absurden, neresničen in žaljiv, tako do Slovencev kot do Avstrijcev in Nemcev. Pa saj še vedno ogromno Slovencev kupuje v Avstriji in vsi občudujemo germansko miselnost in njihovo kvaliteto.



Capital 78,

Hvala lepa moj prijatelj :)

As i said before we also love many things in Slovenija, and Slovenija is very rich on nature, because it has everything.:cheers:

And especially i like to eat burek :lol: its better then turkish kebab:lol:

Where did you get that? :nuts:

I don't think this is possible since we're in NATO and you aren't. :dunno:


Oh yes Verso i forgot, we aren't in the Nato. But there are many other ways to work together, not only military.

Austria is not in NATO? Wow, that's a shock. And one thing, we could follow. And those things Belif said. Yeah it might be true for 5% people, that are überenvyous even for Slovene standard (which is probably in world top 10). Most of us, still see the ''German'' world as a heaven, where everything is perfect.

Dobro jutro Struckar,

No, we are still not in Nato, but the SPÖ and the ÖVP want us to lead into the Nato, only the Right wing FPÖ is against entering into the NATO.

At the moment we have still a debate about our army in austria, if it should become a professional army or if it will be still a compulsory army.

Struckar,

Well, Austria and Germany are also not heaven on earth, and i personally think that there is not much difference between Slovenia and Austria for example.

When i look to Slovenia, this country develloped within the last years very fast, also the economy grows much faster as for example Czech, Slovak, Hungary etc.

But one of my favourite things i like in SI, is Lasko, Union and Burek :)

When i look to Slovenia, this country develloped within the last years very fast, also the economy grows much faster as for example Czech, Slovak, Hungary etc.

Well, this is not actually true anymore (because of the recession, when our GDP fell down for about 14% in 2 years). Czechs and Slovaks and many other east countries have grown much faster in the last few years than Slovenia. We are being left behind and we are loosing all of the advantage that we had before

BeliF

Thats a bitty to here...:ohno:

I hope everything will become good in future, and that slovenia well grow fast due to economy and many other develloping staff.

Regards
Ronald

Austria is not in NATO? Wow, that's a shock. And one thing, we could follow.

Samo za intermezzo k tej vaši debati. Avstrija ne more bit članica NATO zaradi Avstrijske državne pogodbe (Österreichischer Staatsvertrag) iz leta 1955, ki ji to preprečuje, a ji hkrati daje priviligiran položaj v mednarodni skupnosti. Tako da mi se tu nimamo kaj zgledovat po Avstriji (marsikje drugje pa), ker enostavno nismo v isti ligi oziroma glede na naš položaj hvala Bogu da smo v NATO paktu.


P.S.

Belif, mislim, da si kar pošteno brcnil v temo s tistimi nacisti, vsaj med ljudmi, ki jih sam poznam, velja ravno nasprotno.

Metron,

I do not speak slovenian, only basic. What is with 1955?

Regards

Ronald

But one of my favourite things i like in SI, is Lasko, Union and Burek :)

Burek is Bosnian or Serbian. :)

or Turkish. :)

Ronald hi. Metron said that Austria cannot become a member of NATO because of the clause in Austrian State Treaty (Österreichischer Staatsvertrag), signed in 1955. I do not know the details of this Treaty I'm just translating what Metron said.

tom666

ah ok, now i understand. yes of course its because of the austrian neutrality (Staatsvertrag 1955).

But Burek is available in Slovenia..... in turkish its called "Kebab" or in Persian "Kabab" :)

Kebab and Burek are two different things in Slovenia.

But Burek is available in Slovenia..... in turkish its called "Kebab" or in Persian "Kabab" :)That's not the same. Burek is called börek in Turkish.

or Turkish. :)It's actually Ottoman. :D (Anatolian)

And everywhere else as well.

Nekoč sem gledal eno oddajo in so modeli začeli nabijat (bila je o Prekmurju), da pravzaprav, burek in pica izvzrata iz Prekmurja. In da je nek Italijan bil enkrat na tem območju in so mu nardil kruh s paradajzom in ne vem čem še. =)

English, please.

ok thx guys... :)

Nekoč sem gledal eno oddajo in so modeli začeli nabijat (bila je o Prekmurju), da pravzaprav, burek in pica izvirata iz Prekmurja. In da je nek Italijan bil enkrat na tem območju in so mu nardil kruh s paradajzom in ne vem čem še. =)

English, please.

^^I saw a documentary show once, and people started talking about the ''fact'' that burek and pizza was actually from Prekmurje (the NE Slovenia). That the ancestor of pizza was served to some Italian in Prekmurje as a bread with some tomato sauce and other stuff long before pizza was invented.

:lol::lol::lol:

hi, first of all it would be great to not only to monitor airspace together, but also do so called air-policing, since it is not rare occurance, that civilian airplane overflies half of Europe with dozens of air traffic controllers trying to contact it and nobody intercepting it. As it was mentioned several times here the main obstacle in joint austro-slovenian air policing is the fact, that slovenian armed forces are tightly connected to NATO infrastructure, command chain and so on. Slovenian army and its unit for airspace survelliance is part of NATO airspace survelliance and is in direct data and communication links with SE NATO HQ in Napels.

so there are basicaly legal, military and of course political obstacles for this venture.

on the other hand, air traffic controls are tightly co-operating. for instance we use Koralpe radar data and Austria is interested in our data as well. such cross-boundary co-operation is very common and is running smoothly for many years..

Ronald, have you ever crossed the short border between Slovenia and your Austrian state Burgenland? I crossed it once at the tripoint with Hungary. :D

hofburg :)

http://data.imagup.com/4/1116794551.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/16277437.jpg

Drugi napis je romski. Zanimivo.

Ronald, have you ever crossed the short border between Slovenia and your Austrian state Burgenland? I crossed it once at the tripoint with Hungary. :D


Hello Verso

No never, you mean the Border at "Bonisdorf".

When i go to Portoroz i drive via Spielfeld and Maribor - Celje - LJ - Postojna - Koper.:cheers:

^^I saw a documentary show once, and people started talking about the ''fact'' that burek and pizza was actually from Prekmurje (the NE Slovenia). That the ancestor of pizza was served to some Italian in Prekmurje as a bread with some tomato sauce and other stuff long before pizza was invented.

:lol::lol::lol:


Struckar

Very interesting, i didn't know that. But don't tell this the italians.. they go crazy its the same debate between Croats and Italians about the Birth Place of Marco Polo. The croatians say that he was born on Korcula.:lol:

:nuts:

a guy opens a thread about austrian-slovene relations, and what does he learn?

- burek is either Bosnian or Turkish
- pizza is from Prekmurje
- our brains are washed-out
- slovene economy is in a terrible shape

:lol::lol::lol:

no problem hofburg.

If you want to bring 2 nations closer, you must first get to know with their culture. :)

BeliF

I know both cultures very good :)

For example the "Oberkrainer" Blasmusik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHuk_sAXAg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yxq7xOY_iI

Hello Verso

No never, you mean the Border at "Bonisdorf".

When i go to Portoroz i drive via Spielfeld and Maribor - Celje - LJ - Postojna - Koper.:cheers:

Yes, Bonisdorf/Kuzma. I've never crossed the border there, only at the tripoint with Hungary (on foot, of course).

BeliF

I know both cultures very good :)

For example the "Oberkrainer" Blasmusik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHuk_sAXAg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yxq7xOY_iI

that's not culture.

Its part of culture and music tradition. It was just an example :)

that's not culture.
Then you tell me what is?

of course it's culture. driving video inside. (karavanke) :banana:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yxq7xOY_iI#t=09m00s

Blasmusik rules !!!

Then you tell me what is?

Trubar, Gallus, Prešeren, Grum, Ipavec brothers, Plečnik, Kosovel...


Oberkrain "culture" is just an excuse for getting überdrunk and do stupid stuff and sing stupid songs.

for getting überdrunk and do stupid stuff and sing stupid songs.

sound like metal, punk, rock, pop, komercial, rave and everything else

Culture for me is identification with all things belong to the homeland where i live. So in the case of "Volksmusik" Slovenian and Austrians are very similar.

And there are many other things, landscapes, alps, and i personally think that also the mentality between austrians and slovenians is not so far as many people think.

Okay Slovenians are Slavic, but as you know many austrians, which now have "German" Names have slavic routes, and also there are Slovenians with german names (Neuberger, Unger etc.)

I hope i didn't say anything wrong now;)

Culture for me is identification with all things belonging to the homeland where i live. So in the case of "Volksmusik" Slovenian and Austrians are very similar.

And there are many other things, landscapes, alps, and i personally think that also the mentality between austrians and slovenians is not so far as many people think.

Okay... Slovenians are Slavic, but as you know many austrians, which now have "German" Names have slavic routes, and also there are Slovenians which german names.

I hope i didn't say anything wrong now;):cheers:

http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kultura

Okay Slovenians are Slavic, but as you know many austrians, which now have "German" Names have slavic routes, and also there are Slovenians with german names (Neuberger, Unger etc.)

And I don't think Slovenes are genetically all that Slavic. I'd say there're many Germanic, Latin (and some (Finno-)Ugric) genes in us.

Ronald34 the reason we are so similiar with austrians is that because we once were living in the same country and then we were heavily germanized by Austria. Sorry for my English. :)

Ronald34 the reason we are so similiar with austrians is that because we once were living in the same country and then we were heavily germanized by Austria. Sorry for my English. :)Originally Posted by DaryA :D

:) actually, at first we were germanized by bavarians. and we ask them to :lol:

Yes its all true what you are writing. Well in my opinion its not important, where we come from and what our genetic roots are. My family roots for example are from Swiss Romandie (19 century).

The most important thing is, that all countries should work together for peace and harmony, but at the moment i do not believe that the EU is the right instiution for this.

I think Charles de Gaulle was right when he was talking about:

An Europe of Fatherlands ( economic cooperation between all countries, but not a centralistic system like the EU is now).

Well, to make it back on topic: I think this would definitely be a great idea. Austria's neutrality is basically a joke anyway. Especially since the treaty of Lisbon (collective defense article) and Europe needs to boost it's military integration. They got way too many tanks, too many different air combat systems, too much personnel (over 2 mio., reservists not taken into account), too little capacities to operate worldwide aso...

I'd welcome a flight monitoring cooperation between Austria and Slovenia.

Yes its all true what you are writing. Well in my opinion its not important, where we come from and what our genetic roots are. My family roots for example are from Swiss Romandie (19 century).

The most important thing is, that all countries should work together for peace and harmony, but at the moment i do not believe that the EU is the right instiution for this.

I think Charles de Gaulle was right when he was talking about:

An Europe of Fatherlands ( economic cooperation between all countries, but not a centralistic system like the EU is now).

The EU is just the right institution to sustain peace within Europe. It's the catalyzer for economical interdependency and integration between the member states and nothing guarantees peace more effective than those things.

And dont forget, this is probably the first time in the history of Europe that we joined together in peace, not by war.

And don't forget, that EU is around for 50 years if we're very generous, and that this is just a brief moment in European history. As things are progressing, I don't think that EU in it's current form is able to survive much longer.

And don't forget, that EU is around for 50 years if we're very generous, and that this is just a brief moment in European history. As things are progressing, I don't think that EU in it's current form is able to survive much longer.

Why not? Any arguments? Or are you saying that just because it's fashionable?

I mean, get real :lol: You do know that USA were not build in a day, do you Struckar? It lasted from 1787 till 1959 ;)

Well, i'm sceptic about the EU... but lets see..

Regards

Yeah USA. That's a country to which immigrants came in search for a better life. a civilization made from scratch. Anyone, not complying with the rules there, was encouraged to leave, as he came. Nationalism allowed only to ''Americans'' whoever that might be. Europe is exactly opposite from that. It has nations. Real nations, not immigrants forming community's. Now this soundsgood for Europe and bad for USA, but it's not, it's the opposite. Try remembering when was the last time that Europe, or at least all the European countries said and did the same thing in an incident or on some international question? Never. We are talking about 27 independent countries that have joined in a union modeled on the USA, which is essentialy a country split into 52 regions, with mainly the same ethnic structure everywhere. This is a lot different than EU which has different ethnic structure in every county. That is why, it's really just a matter of time when this won't work anymore. There are tensions between countries. These countries all have military force (excluding some minis) and can and will go to war if necesery. This is Europe, we might think we're sophisticated, but think about it. Not a lot of time, has passed since the last war (Kosovo-Serbia area). And remembering the past a bit more again, neither in Kosovo, Georgia or Libya, have countries of EU been united in saying what we stand for. Some countries said Serbia is right to claim it's territory (untouchable territory of a country), other said, every nation has a right to it's own country.

Do you think all Americans have the same opinion about everything? That would be terribly boring.

No, but essentialy, they are one ''nation'' and do realize now, I should have pointed out, that nations and issues between them, means politicians and their boring life, that they make more fun, by making internatioal incidents.

Austrian president will come to Slovenija next week :)

oh... its because of the bilingual zone in Koroska, and the problems with the village shields.

Hope everything will become good for the slovenian minority in Austria.

Regards
Ronald

I dont think so. Problems with village shields probably wont be fixed by then. There are economic interests :) Also, slovenian premier Pahor has met with Sarkosy, Putin and Cameron in the past month, and has also planed your president and German Angela Merkel for next month..

No, but essentialy, they are one ''nation'' and do realize now, I should have pointed out, that nations and issues between them, means politicians and their boring life, that they make more fun, by making internatioal incidents.

That "nation" is deeply divided on every important political aspect.

I think every nation is divided on political aspects, but Europe is also divided, by the interests of individual countries, while USA, doesn't have that in such a way, that states couldn't be told how to do something, by the government. That is one country with 52 states/regions, Europe is 27 countries making one Union, which is mainly just a way, to get a couple of 1000's of buerocrats an employment.

Hi guys,

I just want to tell you, that i'm in Portoroz from 21-24. April.

So if someone has time, we can meet for a drink..

Regards

Ronald

^^ Portorož is mainly a tourist town, not many people live there.

Yeah USA. That's a country to which immigrants came in search for a better life. a civilization made from scratch. Anyone, not complying with the rules there, was encouraged to leave, as he came. Nationalism allowed only to ''Americans'' whoever that might be. Europe is exactly opposite from that. It has nations. Real nations, not immigrants forming community's. Now this soundsgood for Europe and bad for USA, but it's not, it's the opposite. Try remembering when was the last time that Europe, or at least all the European countries said and did the same thing in an incident or on some international question? Never. We are talking about 27 independent countries that have joined in a union modeled on the USA, which is essentialy a country split into 52 regions, with mainly the same ethnic structure everywhere. This is a lot different than EU which has different ethnic structure in every county. That is why, it's really just a matter of time when this won't work anymore. There are tensions between countries. These countries all have military force (excluding some minis) and can and will go to war if necesery. This is Europe, we might think we're sophisticated, but think about it. Not a lot of time, has passed since the last war (Kosovo-Serbia area). And remembering the past a bit more again, neither in Kosovo, Georgia or Libya, have countries of EU been united in saying what we stand for. Some countries said Serbia is right to claim it's territory (untouchable territory of a country), other said, every nation has a right to it's own country.

Completely agree with all that, the EU is a ridiculous organisation. It really is trying to carve out a United States of Europe, you can drive from Portugal to Romania as if it's one country without crossing a checkpoint. Thats not right in my opinion we are all seperate nations based on distinct ethnic groups like the Irish, Italians, Romanians, English etc. It is because of this that we could never agree on important things and we can never be a nation. Also why does the EU have an anthem? It is not a country

This is the Austro-Slovenian relations thread, not an EU discussion. if you want to make a contribution to a more united Europe like your signature says, suggest to your governement to get euro and join schengen.

Celovec/Klagenfurt:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/hofburg/DSC02520.jpg

^^ Did you know that in 2007 Klagenfurt had changed its name into Klagenfurt am Wörthersee (Celovec ob Vrbskem jezeru)? Not that there's any other Klagenfurt (or Celovec).

Bilingual place-name signs controversy settled

Political leaders seem to have ended a lengthy argument considering bilingual place-name signs.

Negotiators announced in Klagenfurt yesterday evening (Tues) they agreed that 164 towns and communities in the province of Carinthia will be equipped with place-name signs in both German and Slovenian.

Provincial decision-makers and representatives of the Slovenian minority have been at odds over the issue for decades. Politicians have quarrelled about the number of affected towns ever since the Austrian State Treaty was agreed upon in 1955.

A low point was reached in 1972 when opponents of a decree by the federal government of Social Democratic (SPÖ) Chancellor Bruno Kreisky tore down several bilingual place-name signs.

Late Carinthian Freedom Party (FPÖ) and Alliance for the Future of Austria (BZÖ) Governor Jörg Haider successfully tried to delay a settlement over the years by removing the affected signs by a few metres to make aware of legal loopholes.

Haider’s successor as governor of the province, Gerhard Dörfler refused to leave Haider’s uncooperative course after the right-wing spearhead’s death in 2008 before making a remarkable U-turn on the issue earlier this year.

"We carried the State Treaty’s requirement over the finish line today," Dörfler – who is the deputy head of the Carinthian Freedom Party (FPK) – said at the end of yesterday’s eight-hour Marathon session of negotiations with SPÖ State Secretary Josef Ostermayer and representatives of Carinthia’s Slovenes.

However, Dörfler said the agreement included the decision to hold a referendum in the affected towns and communities. The FPK official stressed he was convinced that the vast majority of residents will back the settlement.

Valentine Inzko, one of the Slovenian minority’s leaders, announced: "One chapter of Carinthian history is over – may the next begin."

SPÖ Chancellor Werner Faymann congratulated the negotiators for having come to an agreement. The settlement also includes a pledge by the Carinthian government to subsidise music and Slovenian language lessons for the minority’s children. Figures have shown that more and more Austrian kids living in the southern province are opting for Slovenian as an optional subject.

The ongoing feud has been observed with bewilderment by many Austrians over the decades as there have been little difficulties in the coexistence of Austrians and Slovenians, Hungarians, Roma, Croats and Czechs elsewhere in the country. Most Austrians are understood to consider the bilingual aspect as an advantage in today’s ever-changing world, also since many international businesses consider Austria as a gateway to do business in Eastern Europe (EE).

Around 50,000 Slovenians live in Austria. The 2001 census showed that nearly 26,000 people residing in Austria are members of the Hungarian minority. The number of Czechs living in Austria is believed to range around 20,000. Furthermore, 20,000 Roma and 15,000 Slovaks are currently living in the country.

Germans are the strongest minority in Austria at 213,000 ahead of people from Serbia, Kosovo and Montenegro with 207,000. The third-strongest group are Turks (183,000), followed by people from Bosnia and Herzegovina (130,000) and Croatia (70,000).

http://austrianindependent.com/news/Politics/2011-04-27/7314/Bilingual_place-name_signs_controversy_settled

Finally.

Around 50,000 Slovenians live in Austria. The 2001 census showed that nearly 26,000 people residing in Austria are members of the Hungarian minority. The number of Czechs living in Austria is believed to range around 20,000. Furthermore, 20,000 Roma and 15,000 Slovaks are currently living in the country.

Germans are the strongest minority in Austria at 213,000 ahead of people from Serbia, Kosovo and Montenegro with 207,000. The third-strongest group are Turks (183,000), followed by people from Bosnia and Herzegovina (130,000) and Croatia (70,000).



sounds like it would make no sense to them to have double-languaged signs in Carinthia ... :dunno:

^^ That doesn't depend on number, but on autochthonism.

The number of Czechs living in Austria is believed to range around 20,000. Furthermore, 20,000 Roma and 15,000 Slovaks are currently living in the country.

That is understandable as Czechs were the most dominant ethnicity in historic Austria. Maybe you will be surprised, but the biggest "Czech" city was Vienna, after it Chicago and third was Prague..
And the same goes to Slovak ancestors, however not that populous like Czechs..

Verso Slovakia´s law count with placement of bilingual sign (but not only names but every administrative institution and voluntary on shops) in towns with at least 20% of the population of minority. Thus appear to almost 260 Magyar towns and villages, 20 Ruthenian , 15 Czech, 5 German, 2 Croatian, due to arising Ukrainian population maybe also Ukrainian in the future.. and lastly we have a real threat to place Vietnamese and Chinese. :D
Current draft in Parliament counts with 15%.

Ronald, are you often in Eisenstadt? (in Slovak Železné Mesto) :)
interesting thread..

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Verso Slovakia´s law count with placement of bilingual sign (but not only names but every administrative institution and voluntary on shops) in towns with at least 20% of the population of minority. Thus appear to almost 260 Magyar towns and villages, 20 Ruthenian , 15 Czech, 5 German, 2 Croatian, due to arising Ukrainian population maybe also Ukrainian in the future.. and lastly we have a real threat to place Vietnamese and Chinese. :D

Current draft in Parliament counts with 15%.

The Austrian State Treaty also includes a regulation of bilingual sings, but the Austrians did not take that into account.

The 1976 Act of Parliament makes bilingual signage dependent on the percentage of minority population living in the area (a minimum of 20 percent). The 2001 ruling of the High Court rejected the law as unconstitutional. Some interpret this decision as a complete rejection of the percentage based threshold, others would like to reduce it to 10-15 percent.

Source: http://www.usefoundation.org/view/90+austrian+state+treaty+bilingual+signs&cd=5&hl=sl&ct=clnk&gl=si&source

Verso Slovakia´s law count with placement of bilingual sign (but not only names but every administrative institution and voluntary on shops) in towns with at least 20% of the population of minority. Thus appear to almost 260 Magyar towns and villages, 20 Ruthenian , 15 Czech, 5 German, 2 Croatian, due to arising Ukrainian population maybe also Ukrainian in the future.. and lastly we have a real threat to place Vietnamese and Chinese. :D
Current draft in Parliament counts with 15%.

Here % doesn't matter at all, just (un)autochthonism. There can be 100% Serbs somewhere and the town won't be bilingual, because they aren't autochthonous. OTOH, there're just 2% Italians in Koper/Capodistria and everything is bilingual (except some ads).

Here % doesn't matter at all, just (un)autochthonism. There can be 100% Serbs somewhere and the town won't be bilingual, because they aren't autochthonous. OTOH, there're just 2% Italians in Koper/Capodistria and everything is bilingual (except some ads).

And what if Serbs will become autochtonous? :nuts:
How many years are set to become autochtonous?

Centuries...

well i's not really defined. wikipedia says "Indigenous peoples are ethnic groups that are defined as indigenous according to one of the various definitions of the term. There is no universally accepted definition[1] but most carry connotations of being the "original inhabitants" of a territory."

In this particular case I think autochthon is every citizen of Carinthia who's ancestors have been there before 1918.

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^^ How did Austrian Slovenes become autochthonous then, if not by having lived there for centuries? As we know, Slovenes are originally from the Carpathians (and we're all from Africa anyway).

^^ How did Austrian Slovenes become autochthonous then, if not by having lived there for centuries? As we know, Slovenes are originally from the Carpathians (and we're all from Africa anyway).



So it is; please remember that the Slavic speaking people lived centuries before the german speaking people came to Karinthia/Kärnten/Koroska.

Now, the bilingual problems in Unterkärnten are solved and 164 villages will become bilingual shields.:cheers:

There will be 2 villages where Slovenian Language will also be official language beside of german; it will be Eberndorf, and St. Kanzian.

It makes my happy that the problems are solved now, and i want to also say thank you to our Staats-Sekretär Ostermann, our President Fischer and Slovenian president Danilo Türk.:cheers:

I personally think that Slovenia is rule model in minority politics (Hungarians and Italians).

That is understandable as Czechs were the most dominant ethnicity in historic Austria. Maybe you will be surprised, but the biggest "Czech" city was Vienna, after it Chicago and third was Prague..
And the same goes to Slovak ancestors, however not that populous like Czechs..

Verso Slovakia´s law count with placement of bilingual sign (but not only names but every administrative institution and voluntary on shops) in towns with at least 20% of the population of minority. Thus appear to almost 260 Magyar towns and villages, 20 Ruthenian , 15 Czech, 5 German, 2 Croatian, due to arising Ukrainian population maybe also Ukrainian in the future.. and lastly we have a real threat to place Vietnamese and Chinese. :D
Current draft in Parliament counts with 15%.

Ronald, are you often in Eisenstadt? (in Slovak Železné Mesto) :)
interesting thread..


I live in Eisenstadt.:banana:

But i'm interested to live on the slovenian coast, where i feel very well for my bronchial disease. The only problem is the difficulty of the slovenian language, but at the moment i have basic knowledges, which i want to improve. Here in Burgenland, there are no slovenian courses for learning, only in Steiermark and Kärnten.

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Sure Verso you must live on the same teritory for centuries to become autochthonous,
but i thought that you meant, when that guy from Slovakia asked you
(How many years are set to become autochtonous? and you said Centuries) that some minoritys can become autochthonous if they lived in some country i dont know for just 100 years. There was my disagree with you becouse in my opinion minority can become (or is) autochthonous only if those people live (in our case Slovenes in Carinthia)
on that same teritory for just exact amonunt of time as Slovenes in Homeland...i hope i was clear this time:)

Exactly! for example, many Romanians are imigrating currently to Slovakia and settling here. Count that they will live here maybe for 60 years and in some town they will form more than 15%. Does it mean that they won´t have minority rights only because they didn´t live here for centuries? How many years is enough to obtain minority rights? 20,30 or 60 or even centuries...?

I live in Eisenstadt.:banana:

But i'm interested to live on the slovenian coast, where i feel very well for my bronchial disease. The only problem is the difficulty of the slovenian language, but at the moment i have basic knowledges, which i want to improve. Here in Burgenland, there are no slovenian courses for learning, only in Steiermark and Kärnten.

Salzkammergut won´t help you? :nuts:

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Sure Verso you must live on the same teritory for centuries to become autochthonous,
but i thought that you meant, when that guy from Slovakia asked you
(How many years are set to become autochtonous? and you said Centuries) that some minoritys can become autochthonous if they lived in some country i dont know for just 100 years. There was my disagree with you becouse in my opinion minority can become (or is) autochthonous only if those people live (in our case Slovenes in Carinthia)
on that same teritory for just exact amonunt of time as Slovenes in Homeland...i hope i was clear this time:)

Yes, I agree; well it's complicated anyway.

I asked my mentor for diploma paper about the definition of autochthonous. He said, there is not single definition. In some countries is 100 years, in others three generations.

But this can not be based on single family, but on continuous settlement of many families ...

Hi guys,

I came back from Portoroz on Tuesday; the weather was quite good and i had a nice time...

What i'm planning is, that i want to make my self employed business in Slovenia on the coast, especially to work for and with tourists.

I offer a new and innovative method to quit smoking. Therefore i use a soft laser with 60 mW, where i stimulate 23 meridian points on the ear left and right. This causes an effect that you will loose your smoking addiction. The success rate is over 80% after only one treatment.

There are no side effects and no pain.

My question is how is it possible to practice this in Slovenia, how is this regulated and legitimated? Here in Austria i have a business licence therefore.

Someone told me that you have to be a "Heilpraktiker" or Naturopath, and that there is a new law since 2011 which regulates that.

Is there anyone, who can deliver me more informations according to this topic? Does anyone know someone who is involved in this?

Would be glad to get more informations on it, and how i can use this method legally in Slovenia.

Thanks

Ronald :)

Does anyone have informations according my above post?

Thanks guys :)

Ronald

I know about the low that was changed a couple of weeks ago, but I cant give you any informations. And the law is written in slovenian lenguage

Hi BeliF

Thanks, yes i know that its in slovenian; today i read that the law is not published, because there is still no chamber for the "Heilpraktiker" in Slovenija.

A guy in LJ told me now that i normally have to open a s.p. (Samostojni Podjetniki):

http://evem.gov.si/evem/

Now i will see how the business will grow in Austria and then i will decide if i also open my business in Slovenija.

Here in Austria we have a income tax rate high from 50% - Slovenija has only income tax max. 41%.

lep pozdrav

Ronald

It's the first time I hear Slovenia has lower taxes then somebody else...

Hello hofburg,

Yes it has. The max income tax is 41%, in Austria 50%

Regards
Ronald

Only in Austria to have 50% income tax you have to earn a lot more than in Slovenia.

Well, some things are still cheaper in Slovenia as in Austria. For example Coffee in Bars, Restaurant, also Beer is still cheaper as in Austria.

But i don't know how the costs are for apartments, electricity, water etc.

I know about the low that was changed a couple of weeks ago, but I cant give you any informations. And the law is written in slovenian lenguage


Hello BeliF

Now i have already a respond to my email which i wrote to the Ministry of Health according to my work i want to offer in Slovenija (maybe).

The template for the Law is from 2007, but because there is still no chamber of this alternative medicine practicers, the law is still not officially published.

So its a bit a greyzone, if you understand what i mean. They told me that i should only open a s.p. , but i don't know what kind of s.p. i should open for this work?:ohno:

I'm still a little bit confused:ohno:

Ronald

When you want to open s.p. you can choose your activities and a lot of people just tick everything. That means if you have a karate school you can also import toys from China or have a PC shop. Basically you shouldn't worry, just open s.p. and start working. Good luck.

That's how we roll in Slovenia, unfortunately. :bash:

maybe you can find something appropriate here (Standard Classification of Activities)
http://www.stat.si/klasje/tabela.aspx?cvn=4978

probably:
Q ZDRAVSTVO IN SOCIALNO VARSTVO HUMAN HEALTH AND SOCIAL WORK ACTIVITIES

of this alternative medicine practicers,

maybe something like this (i dont know, just guessing)
Q86.901 Alternativne oblike zdravljenja Alternative forms of medical treatment Q86.90

Hvala lepa LaFreak :)

Thank you also BeliF :)

BeliF

Yes this would suit

Q86.901 Alternativne oblike zdravljenja Alternative forms of medical treatment Q86.90



So do you know if this above work is a free "trade" or are there any test/examens to make before allowed opening this work as s.p.?

I found this site here according to Q 86.90

http://www.kitajskamedicina.si/

Regards
Ronald

Guys don't let me hang please.:master:

So if anybody has more informations please let me know here :)

hvala lepa, next time in Slovenia i will pay a round of beer :)

Ronald

What happened with your plan about the work you wanted to offer in Slovenia?

Hello pumpikatze

I live now in Klagenfurt/Celovec and work here, but i will try to work also a several days per month in Slovenija.

Today was a great day for both countries, because the Problems with the bilingual Southern Carinthia is now solved.

At this thime there is a celebration in Klagenfurt-Celovec, also Slovenian Ministerpresident is here today, and holds a very good speech.

lep pozdrav
Ronald

Now i only have 2 hours with the car to the slovenian coast :)

Thats great :)

Ronald, if only there were more people like you ... :-). Welcome to Slovenia anytime!

Hello Kokica 2000

Thank you very much my dear friend.

Well, there are not so less, but their voice was till now unheared.

I hope that the problems are now solved; Austria especially Kärnten/Koroska should be proud of this bilingual heritage and culture.

Now its the time to see in the future, and work together in all aspects..

You are also welcome to Austria and Celovec.

Here are photos:

http://www.ktn.gv.at/42611_DE-Landesregierung-LH_Gerhard_Doerfler.?newsid=17775&backtrack=42611

I have news for my friends in Slovenia:

I'm trying to initiate a directly bus connection from Klagenfurt/Celovec to Ljubljana, because i think its necessary and there is a need.

Since a few weeks there is a new rail way enterprise in Austria, its called "Westbahn", they will open connections between Vienna and Salzburg, and also between Graz and Linz, and Salzburg - München, also through "Westbus"

You can take a look here:

http://www.westbahn.at
http://www.westbus.at

I wrote to the directory and told them that there is not a single public traffic connection between the Kärnten and Slovenia, and i feel thats a bitty.

A few days ago i became an answer, that they will discuss this topic in the next session.

I will let you know if there are any news.

My opinion is that this is a big chance to bring both countries nearer, especially Kärnten/Koroska and Slovenia.

Best regards - lep pozdrav
Ronald

So did you finally move to the Coast?

Hello

Now i live in Celovec, but i will try to be every 14 days on the coast. I'm also thinking about buying a little apartment.

They're quite expensive, good luck finding a cheap one.

Hello

Now i live in Celovec, but i will try to be every 14 days on the coast. I'm also thinking about buying a little apartment.

Try looking at Divača or somewhere near. In this case you'll have cca. 15 minutes to the coast and cca. 30 minutes to Ljubljana :)

its all bought by italians there :lol:

Yes, i know Italians and in the last times also russians.

http://shrani.si/f/M/5L/2NbzICTP/64795slovenija.jpg

^^

http://tvslo.si/predvajaj/dvojezicni-kovanci-ze-skoraj-posli/ava2.146867800/

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http://tvslo.si/predvajaj/dvojezicni-kovanci-ze-skoraj-posli/ava2.146867800/

I'd have made it Slovenian only, just to piss those ridiculous Carinthians off...

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I'd have made it Slovenian only, just to piss those ridiculous Carinthians off...

lets not exagerate. :) but I don't know whats up with some Carinthians. they need to grow up.

Many people need to grow up... like our politicians.

Many people need to grow up... like our politicians.

We have elections once in a while to force them to grow up, but, as you said, we all need to grow up...

lets not exagerate. :) but I don't know whats up with some Carinthians. they need to grow up.

This Dobernig guy now came up with saying the Slovenian minority of Carinthia are not even Carinthians, which caused a major outcry by other parties (even from his own) and the media.

Officially brain damaged.

BTW Dobernik is slovenian family name. :picard:

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BTW Dobernik is slovenian family name. :picard:


Pač še en osebek, ki noče priznat, da so njegovi predniki Slovenci.

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BTW Dobernik is slovenian family name. :picard:

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I know, that makes it even more absurd.

These are most hardcore; same as homophobic gays (like many priests). Or people like Hitler (German leader from Austria), Milošević (Serbian leader from Montenegro) or Stalin (Soviet leader from Georgia). They're obviously full of complexes and lack something.

lol these windischars are riduculus. :)

Mnogi koroški Slovenci so se pridružili partizanom in se uprli, kar je predstavljalo edini organizirani oboroženi upor proti nacističnemu režimu na ozemlju Tretjega rajha za časa 2. svetovne vojne.

Navedba ni točna. Del 3. Reicha je bila tudi Gorenjska (imenovana Unterkaernten ali Suedkaernten), kjer je prvo leto vojne seveda obstajalo konkretno partizansko gibanje.
http://www2.arnes.si/~mcelik2/kolo/P9240079.jpg

Milsim, da je govora o ozemlju Avstrije. Wikipedia ni čisto točna potemtakem.

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Dobernig is windish rout; Windish is mixed up dialect from German and Slovenian words, and own words.

FPK and Dobernig are stupid idiots, they don't know about the history of carinthia.

Slavic people lived centuries before the first german speaking bavarians came to carinthia.


The Kärntner Slovens are austrian citizen.

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We should work together in good communication, because we have both the same culture. Think about the the Volksmusik, like the Oberkrainer and many other slovenian groups.

Let the nationalists quak, they are just stupid dogs and deny that every second Family in Koroskoa has slovenian routs.

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hvala lepa broccoli, very nice music videos:)

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Auf gehts Buam :)

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ohh thank you for your help broccoli :)