Transfers from Circle to other lines at 6 stations
DIGGING and tunnelling have started for the new 34 km Circle Line.


The underground line, which will loop around the city and cut across existing rail routes, is expected to be ready 'after 2010'.

The new line will be linked to the existing North-South and East-West lines, as well as the yet-to-be-opened North-East line.

Commuters will be able to transfer to the other lines at six interchanges - Bishan, Paya Lebar, Serangoon, Buona Vista, Dhoby Ghaut and HarbourFront in World Trade Centre.

The $6.7 billion project, which is being built in five stages, will allow commuters to bypass busy interchanges such as Raffles Place and City Hall when heading to areas outside the city, such as Paya Lebar and Bishan. It is expected to have 34 stations.

So far, the locations of the 16 stations to be built in the first three stages have been revealed.

These will be constructed at a cost of $3.6 billion.

Work on Phase I started in October. This part of the line will run from Dhoby Ghaut to Stadium Boulevard.

Phase II will extend the line to Upper Paya Lebar Road. Details of the third leg - from Upper Paya Lebar/Bartley Road to Marymount Road - were announced on Monday.

Each phase will be opened as and when it is ready.

The first six stations between Dhoby Ghaut and Stadium Boulevard are scheduled to be operational in 2006. The second and third phases are expected to be completed in 2007 and 2008 respectively.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/index.htm

Wow! So many new stations. When the MRT first opened in 1987 I used to get on just for rides..I may do so again lol.

Facts & Figures
Project value
S$1 billion
Route length
5.4 km
Number of stations
6
Expected construction End 2001/Early 2002
Target completion date 2006

- A new 20 km North-East Line (mainly underground, fully automated) from the World Trade Center to Punggol is under construction (scheduled for April 2003). Woodleigh station will not be opened until the area gets further developed. The first 25 six-car trains were delivered by Alstom in Oct. 2000. It will be operated by Singapore Bus Services (SBS Transit). They will also operate two LRT feeder lines, the Sengkang LRT & the Punggol LRT.

- The Marina Line will be a fully automated metro along the sea front. The initial 5.2 km section (Dhoby Ghaut, Museum, Convention Centre, Millennia, Nicoll Highway and Stadium Boulevard) is planned to open in 2005/6 and might eventually be expanded to a 36 km long Circle Line. The next 5 stations have already been confirmed. They are, in anticlockwise direction from Stadium Boulevard station, Tanjong Katong, Macpherson, Paya Lebar, Airport Rd and Upper Paya Lebar Road stations, of which Paya Lebar station will interchange with the existing East-West Line.

http://members.fortunecity.com/metros2/sing/singapore-map.gif

The circle line will be the one in blue

great news for singapore just adds to the glory of that place.

I cant wait to check it out!
:guns1:

The NEL's finally opening, after seven years of gruelling planning, sheer hard work and setbacks. It was a mega-challenge, its project director tells Senior Correspondent CHRISTOPHER TAN

MR RAJAN Krishnan, project director of the fully-underground North-East MRT Line (NEL), has reason to feel on top of the world.

'Frankly, if you look at projects around the world, it's not often one gets a chance to work on a $5-billion project,' said the soft-spoken senior Land Transport Authority (LTA) officer.

The NEL stretches 20km from the HabourFront (the former World Trade Centre) in the south to Punggol New Town in the north-east.

It has 16 stations and links population and commercial centres such as Chinatown, Outram, Clarke Quay, Potong Pasir, Serangoon, Hougang, Sengkang and Punggol.

The building of the NEL has taken nearly seven years.

Mr Rajan, who started his career with the Housing Board, said: 'You get a couple of these projects in your lifetime and, hey, that's it.'

'And if you get five seven-year projects, that's your career - 35 years of working,' he laughed.

The 52-year-old civil engineer has just about that many mega-projects under his belt.

He was resident engineer for the first MRT line in the 1980s, then project coordinator for the Boon Lay and Woodlands extensions.

With the NEL completed and the trains set to start rolling this week, he is now overseeing other major tunnelling projects. The project directors of the Circle MRT Line as well as the underground Kallang-Paya Lebar Expressway report to him.

Sitting down recently with The Straits Times in a rare interview, he talked about the NEL, which is the world's first fully-automated, heavy-load rail project.

'During the last few months before the completion of the Woodlands extension in 1996, we were told that we had to prepare ourselves for the North-East Line, when the Government gave the go-ahead.'

That came in January 1996.

He remembers the flurry of activity sparked by the announcement that construction of the line would begin.

'I had to yank six of my engineers off the Woodlands extension project. I told them they had to finish the job but, at the same time, they had to prepare for the North-East Line,' he said.

He then gathered six design people.

'October 1995, we had our first meeting. That was how we started,' he said. The core team of 12 began working at the North Bridge Road office, where SMRT Corp has its offices.

Although feasibility studies had been done as far back as the early 1980s, the actual task of delivering the line 'in six to seven years' was daunting, he said.

'We figured we had to start calling our first design-and-build contracts in June 1996,' he said.

'And we were letting out contracts, like, once a month.'

That meant that the other challenge - even before the first excavation began - was finding people for the job.

That wasn't as easy as it sounds.

The last major tunnelling job was for Phase I of the MRT line, which had been completed by 1987. Now, 10 years on, they were going back to underground works in a big way.

But all the specialists brought in from overseas had already left.

'There was a dire need to recruit people,' he added, and assembling a team, their biggest task at the time, took a good part of 1996.

The initial dozen eventually ballooned to more than 600.

Over the next six years, they managed by these five cornerstones: quality, safety, meeting schedules, working within budget, and environmental or public considerations.

'We took on the responsibility to ensure quality is there. We didn't pass it on to the contractors. We signed off the work, put our professional dhobi mark on it,' he said.

'Similarly, when we deal with the public, we front it,' he added.

This was a concerted effort because Singapore had become more built-up since the first MRT lines were constructed, and the NEL was going through a densely-populated corridor.

Not surprisingly, the public made itself heard over the course of the project. Some people called Mr Rajan personally.

One woman was booking an HDB flat in Sengkang and wanted him to tell her which flat to choose. (He faxed her a map showing where the Sengkang station would be).

Another called to say that her grandson, who would nap while she ferried him to school in the morning, was disturbed by the bumpy road diversions. (He had the stretch smoothened).

'Some of the feedback we get is very personalised...but it's all very valid,' he said.

'It gives us a different perspective.'

Some complaints were less legitimate.

'A guy who lived about 1km away from a station being built said he found some cracks in his house,' he said.

But the team convinced him that given the distance and size of the excavation, it was too improbable that it was responsible for the cracks.

Despite the precautions they took, the project was not accident free.

'We had five fatalities. There were a number of injuries too.'

He added: 'We must target zero, because one life lost is one too many.'

The sheer ambition of the project was mind-boggling, he said. 'When I first saw the plans for Chinatown station, the first thing that hit me was 'My God! Somebody actually wants to put a station there!'

'You have two big roads there. There's a canal in between, then there's the Garden Bridge...imagine what it is like during Chinese New Year.'

'And you want to dig up the whole place?' he recalled, eyes wide with remembered incredulity.

Indeed, Chinatown turned out to be the most challenging station.

The roads had to be closed twice because of cave-ins.

Another challenge was the integrated development at the Dhoby Ghaut Interchange.

It was the first time the LTA was playing property developer. And right smack in Orchard Road, no less.

The physical challenges included building a new station next to an existing one (Dhoby Ghaut), and devising ways to link the two so that commuters need not pass through fare gates when moving between the two.

The commercial development, eventually called The Atrium@Orchard, was to become a model for maximising land usage around MRT stations. On this score, the NEL, unlike previous lines, goes a step further.

'Except for stations just above road junctions, we have to build provisions to accommodate future developments so that developers can build on the station blocks or at the entrances,' Mr Rajan explained.

So far, two developers have done so. Centrepoint Properties has a mixed development at the Sengkang station; Far East Organisation is building another at Clarke Quay.

Now, the LTA is marketing a site next to the Serangoon station.

A third massive challenge was disposing of the earth dug up during the project - nine million cubic metres of it.

That became a project within a project: about six million cubic metres became landfill in Lorong Halus, Tampines.

The other three million was marine clay, a gooey, unusable material that had to be dumped at sea.

The LTA had to manage the disposal stringently, otherwise 'we'd have illegal dumping all over Singapore'.

'We're talking about a million lorry loads,' Mr Rajan said.

That worked out to more than 1,000 lorry-loads a day over the 2 1/2 years from mid-1997 to 2000.

Completely different but almost as intriguing was incorporating art into the stations.

Mr Rajan said: 'We'd never done it before. It's a completely new field. From a risk assessment point of view, something you don't know worries you more.'

They had to deal with artists, 'which is not my normal work', and have them work within the 'hard and tough world of contractors', he said.

Mr Rajan said: 'Initially, the idea excites you, but the path to that destination also worries you.'

But he worried for nothing.

The contractors went out of their way to help embed works of 19 Singapore artists into the stations' walls and floors.

'They were totally helpful,' he said.

'In the end, it shows we're back to our human side.'

There was also a community project where the hand-prints of 2,000 residents were cast as a permanent display in Hougang station.

'The contractor went from constituency to constituency, to schools, various places, over two to three months, collecting hand-prints,' he said.

It could not have been done if not for their own enthusiasm to see it through, he said.

Now that the line is going to open, Mr Rajan feels quite privileged.

There when it was conceived, he worked through its long gestation, and has now witnessed its delivery.

Not many of the more than 600 who worked on the project have been so privileged.

'Most of them have already left for other projects elsewhere,' he said.

http://www.straitstimes.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2003-06-16/H5_0616.jpg

Wah...this looks damn outdated! :D

Hong Kong still uses those rolling trio metal bars which you have to push yourself, so it's still reasonable.:)

Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I found out that the CCLs trains will only have 3 carriages each. Look here

http://www.transport.alstom.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=At.com/Products/Reference/popup_middle_ref1&c=at_reference&cid=996826507758&lid=en

Originally posted by TropicalSQ744

Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I found out that the CCLs trains will only have 3 carriages each. Look here

http://www.transport.alstom.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=At.com/Products/Reference/popup_middle_ref1&c=at_reference&cid=996826507758&lid=en Eh....that is just speculation lah.......

Originally posted by huaiwei

Eh....that is just speculation lah.......


But it's on the manufacturers website!

Originally posted by TropicalSQ744

But it's on the manufacturers website! Hmm...oh I tot you quoting from another forums....well they can also couple two sets together to make 6 right? :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Hmm...oh I tot you quoting from another forums....well they can also couple two sets together to make 6 right? :D

Yeah, but I think the stations will be built to be long enough for only 3 carriages.

Originally posted by TropicalSQ744

Yeah, but I think the stations will be built to be long enough for only 3 carriages. Ney...negative. If you check out the plans for the train stations, they are of the same dimensions as the existing stations. I also recall they say Dhoby Ghaut has a reservation on the 4th level for the LRT system, and the Circle Line has never mentioned as a "semi" mrt line before....

Originally posted by huaiwei

Ney...negative. If you check out the plans for the train stations, they are of the same dimensions as the existing stations. I also recall they say Dhoby Ghaut has a reservation on the 4th level for the LRT system, and the Circle Line has never mentioned as a "semi" mrt line before....

Oh? Then I dunno. Maybe the trains will be deployed according to the pax level.

Now, I think that the Bishan - Buona Vista sector will not be that under utilised after all becuase quite alot of people from the North will use it to travel to the West.

Originally posted by TropicalSQ744

Oh? Then I dunno. Maybe the trains will be deployed according to the pax level.

Now, I think that the Bishan - Buona Vista sector will not be that under utilised after all becuase quite alot of people from the North will use it to travel to the West. Obviously...considering Buona Vista is a high-growth area. The Macritchie area is due for massive residential development too. And alot of ppl makes the assumption that a large private low-rise residential area dunt get traffic. Actually, the existing bus services that ply those routes are choke full most of the time.

It should be ok to have trains that are shorter initially I suppose, although I doubt they will do it.

Now the route map is starting to look complex.

Anyway, I can never figure out which platform to go at Raffles and City Hall. I always seem to board the wrong train no matter which platform I go.:D

Originally posted by Kit

Now the route map is starting to look complex.

Anyway, I can never figure out which platform to go at Raffles and City Hall. I always seem to board the wrong train no matter which platform I go.:D

I tried the Dhoby Ghaut interchange for the first time back in September and I was confused! I almost resorted to 'becoming a tourist' and asking someone for directions! Fortunately I was determined to follow the signs..I mean if the signs cant even lead me to the right platform then there is something seriously wrong with the user-friendliness!:D

Haha...yeah..watch out man. Dhoby Ghaut is going to have 3 MRT lines and one LRT line all converging in one station. On my first trip there, I actually could not find the connecting route to the NS line...I nearly took the exit escalator until I spotted the purple signage on the roof. It was a close call. :D

Btw Kit, you arent alone with regards to City Hall and Raffles Place. I actually needs ot refer to the route maps if I want to transfer there, as I still cannot remember which platform is for which! ;)

Me different. I could've swore that I always go back to the platform I used the last time but that "same" platform always bring me to different places. Sometimes Bugis, sometimes Somerset, sometimes Tanjong Pagar.:D :D :D

Originally posted by Kit

Me different. I could've swore that I always go back to the platform I used the last time but that "same" platform always bring me to different places. Sometimes Bugis, sometimes Somerset, sometimes Tanjong Pagar.:D :D :D Wahaha!! Please do not tell me you are the famed "holan king" type in NS? ;) Ok lah, nothign wrong with that, but for me, I would doubly make sure I dont go the wrong way because I do not want to run the risk of paying more! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Haha...yeah..watch out man. Dhoby Ghaut is going to have 3 MRT lines and one LRT line all converging in one station.


huh? I know that here will be 3 mrt lines at dhoby (NSL, NEL & CCL), but ive never heard of a LRT line? where did it come from?

Originally posted by rEXxx

huh? I know that here will be 3 mrt lines at dhoby (NSL, NEL & CCL), but ive never heard of a LRT line? where did it come from? Hm..they reserved the 4th floor in the Station for the LRT line. It was mentioned often in the press. As for where it goes to...no idea man. Maybe to link up with the one that goes to the NDT?

Another Line there !
More and more !

Originally posted by Trances

Another Line there !
More and more !

The more the merrier! :D

Originally posted by TropicalSQ744

The more the merrier! :D and the more we go round and round in the station looking for the correct lines! :D

Originally posted by TropicalSQ744

The more the merrier! :D

Yup, hope one fine day a line will spring up right under my block :D

But heck, I'll still prefer taking the bus anytime :D

Originally posted by glenj

Yup, hope one fine day a line will spring up right under my block :D

But heck, I'll still prefer taking the bus anytime :D

Yes, I used to avoid taking the train as much as possible. But of cos nowdays with the NEL and soon the CCL it will be quite hard to give the trains a miss.. I prefer buses becos they give you more privacy. :)

Originally posted by huaiwei

and the more we go round and round in the station looking for the correct lines! :D

That would be quite an adventure.. ;)

They might organise a hide-and-seek competition for kids... Or maybe we should call it "ride-and-seek". :D

Originally posted by TropicalSQ744

Yes, I used to avoid taking the train as much as possible. But of cos nowdays with the NEL and soon the CCL it will be quite hard to give the trains a miss.. I prefer buses becos they give you more privacy. :) Yeah I do prefer buses too. The MRT is generally more expensive, and usually requires walking or changing to buses, and I hate having to stare at other's faces when I am seated......

These stations will be on the final section of the new MRT line that stretches from Thomson Road to HarbourFront

Dec 13 2003

By Goh Chin Lian

THIRTEEN new MRT stations have been earmarked between the Thomson Road area and HarbourFront to complete the Circle Line by 2010.

They will include stations at the Botanic Gardens, Holland Village and the National University Hospital. No private land is being acquired to build this final 17km section, which will cost $2.5 billion.

All but three of the 29 stations on the 33km line should be ready by 2010, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) said yesterday.

The three that will stay uncompleted will be Thomson at Toa Payoh Rise, Bukit Brown at Jalan Mashor near Bukit Brown Chinese Cemetery, and West Coast, at West Coast Highway near Haw Par Villa.

At these three sites, the basic structures - ventilation shafts for the MRT tunnel and underground concrete boxes to house the future stations - will be put in. This will make it easier to complete the station when the time is right, said Mr P. Sripathy, the LTA's project director for this section of the Circle Line.

The line will pass through the Dhoby Ghaut interchange, through housing and industrial estates in Paya Lebar, Serangoon, Bishan and Buona Vista, and HarbourFront.

As the line links all the MRT lines, it is expected to serve about 500,000 commuters a day, enabling them to get to their destinations faster since they will be able to bypass the city centre.

So, a trip from Bishan to Buona Vista, which now takes 34 minutes and requires the passenger to transfer from the North-South Line to the East-West Line at Raffles Place, will take 19 minutes on the Circle Line with no transfer, the LTA said.

Construction of the $6.7 billion line started in March last year and the line will be opened in stages, some time after 2007. That is when the 11km, 11-station section from the Dhoby Ghaut interchange to Upper Paya Lebar Road should be ready.

It will also depend on how the trial runs of the fully- automated system go.

Next to open should be the 5.7km section from Bartley Road to Marymount Road, with five stations. It is due to be completed in 2008.

Of the 13 stations in the final section, two - at Farrer Road and Telok Blangah Road - are next to HDB flats.

There will be two interchanges: At Buona Vista to connect to the East-West Line, and at the junction of Cluny Park Road and Bukit Timah Road, which will be linked to the future Bukit Timah Line.

Other stations serve commercial and industrial areas, such as the one-north research and development centre at Ayer Rajah Avenue. The LTA plans to start work on this section in the third quarter of next year.

Tunnelling through granite will be one challenge. Another will be building the Holland Village station at the busy junction of Holland Road and Holland Avenue.

The LTA said it does not plan to close any lanes during construction, though some slowdowns seem inevitable.

But it will have to divert traffic and will also have to use the carpark in front of the shops there, suspending more than 40 parking spaces for several years.

It will try to find more parking space elsewhere.

Disruption to business was a hot issue when the Chinatown station was being built.

Holland Village Association vice-president Samuel Chia said the 18 eateries, pubs and shops in the group want a multi-storey carpark built nearby.

He added: 'The parking is already bad and will get even worse. But if it's for the long-term good, I suppose we will have to stomach that.'

Property prices may go up 2-10% at 10 stations

THE areas surrounding three future Circle Line MRT stations, to be built only when the sites become more developed, will eventually be dotted with homes or offices.

The Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) said yesterday that the land near Thomson and Bukit Brown stations, both to be located off Thomson Road, has been set aside for residential use but are not needed 'in the near future'.

The area around West Coast station, which will be under the West Coast Highway, will be used for a business park. As the time frame for this has yet to be set, there is not likely to be much impact on property prices here.

However, residents and property owners living around the other 10 stations, which will be built by 2010, can expect to enjoy a rise in their property prices, said property analysts from FPD Savills and Chesterton International. They predicted increases of between 2 and 10 per cent.

Price rises for areas around the future Holland, Pasir Panjang, Farrer and Telok Blangah stations are likely to be in the higher end of the range.

Knight Frank research director Tay Kah Poh said: 'Proximity to MRT stations is always a selling point. But public transport is generally more critical for those in the public housing segment. They are usually prepared to pay a small premium for the added convenience.'

For most people interviewed, however, the convenience of a station at the doorstep was a bigger draw.

Mrs Y.Y. Sim, a retiree in her 60s, whose semi-detached house is a two-minute walk from the Farrer station, said: 'How marvellous! It's a boon to a non-driver like me.'

Hoping for smoother traffic is Mr John Vijayan Vasavan, who lives in Holland Close near the future Holland station. He said: 'The MRT could also cut the number of people driving here and ease traffic snarls

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Expanding The Rail Network
LTA To Build Circle Line Stages 4 and 5

The Land Transport Authority (LTA) is pleased to announce that it will be building the 4th and 5th Stages of Circle Line (CCL). These two stages will extend the CCL by another 17 kilometres and will stretch from Marymount Road to HarbourFront Centre.

There will be 13 stations at the following locations:

Station Locations: Working Names

1 Toa Payoh Rise (future station): Thomson

2 Jalan Mashor (future station): Bukit Brown

3 Bukit Timah Road and Cluny Park Road near Singapore Botanic Gardens: Adam

4 Farrer Road: Farrer

5 Holland Road: Holland

6 Next to the Buona Vista Station on the East West Line: Buona Vista

7 Near Ayer Rajah Avenue: one-north

8 Near the National University Hospital: National University Hospital

9 West Coast Highway (future station): West Coast

10 Pasir Panjang Road: Pasir Panjang

11 Near Alexandra Road/Telok Blangah Road junction: Alexandra

12 Near Telok Blangah Road/Henderson Road: Telok Blangah

13 Next to HarbourFront Station on the North East Line: HarbourFront

The stations have been labelled with their working names (The working names are not the official names for the stations) for easy reference.

LTA will first build ten out of the 13 stations for CCL 4 & 5. They are generally located within developments such as HDB town centres, commercial hubs and locations that allow for integration with other rail lines. For example, the station at Buona Vista will be a major interchange station where commuters will be able to transfer from CCL to the East-West Line. The station near Ayer Rajah Avenue will be the gateway to the exciting one-north development currently being planned by JTC Corporation. The station at Holland Road will serve the lively commercial and retail hub at the heart of Holland Village.

The three stations at Toa Payoh Rise, Jalan Mashor and West Coast Highway are earmarked as future stations. The areas around these three designated sites are not fully developed at the moment. These stations will therefore be built as and when developments around these stations take place. However, structural provisions will be made now so as to enable easy construction of the stations when they are finally built.

Like Stages 1, 2 and 3, all the stations of CCL Stages 4 & 5 will be underground. This is to minimise the impact on the environment and free up surface land for other use. No private land will be acquired for the construction of Stages 4 & 5.

Stages 4 and 5 of CCL will cost about $2.5 billion to build. Construction is scheduled to start in the third quarter of 2004, and is targeted to be completed in 2010

About the Circle Line

The CCL is an orbital line linking all radial Rapid Transit System (RTS) lines running into the city. It will run from Dhoby Ghaut in Orchard Road, and will pass through the civic district, some of the busiest corridors in the city, residential towns, industrial developments and R&D institutes before terminating at the HarbourFront station at the southern tip of Singapore. When completed by 2010, the 33-km long CCL with 29 stations (Three of the stations will be built later) will provide greater connectivity and convenience to public transport commuters.

The CCL will have interchange stations with the North South, East West and North East lines at Dhoby Ghaut, Paya Lebar, Serangoon, Bishan, Buona Vista and HarbourFront. It will offer inter-suburban linkages not provided by the current MRT system. Commuters going to other parts of Singapore will be able to bypass the city centre, thus cutting down on travel time.

For example, a journey on the MRT from Bishan to Buona Vista now takes about 34 minutes (excluding waiting time), as the commuters travel on the North South Line to City Hall and transfer onto the East West Line. With the Circle Line, it will only take 19 minutes for commuters to travel from Bishan to Buona Vista without the need to make a transfer.

The CCL is being built in stages and construction of the first three stages is ongoing. CCL Stages 1 & 2 are expected to be completed by 2007; Stage 3 by 2008, and Stages 4 and 5 by 2010. The whole CCL will cost about $6.66 billion.

For more information on the CCL, members of the public can call the Land Transport Authority at 1800-CALL LTA (1800 2255 582).

Link: Location Maps of Stations (http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/circle%20line.pdf)

Overall Alighment:

http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/CCL%20alignment.jpg

Originally posted by kenmin

there r still many areas not accessible by rail in the concept plan and how many years do we nid 2 complete dat? dun nid 2 take bus anymore? mayb my 10th reincarnation? :DAye..if they really built all those lines now, I can get to my school without needing to take any buses at all. ;) In fact, I can do just about fine if the CCL is completed now, and I can transfer to the free internal shuttle buses. :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Aye..if they really built all those lines now, I can get to my school without needing to take any buses at all. ;) In fact, I can do just about fine if the CCL is completed now, and I can transfer to the free internal shuttle buses. :D so u staying near 2 1 of the CCL station? which 1? how's the situation like now? very noisy?

Originally posted by kenmin

so u staying near 2 1 of the CCL station? which 1? how's the situation like now? very noisy? I stay near Serangoon station, where construction for the CCL has not started yet. Living near an interchange is good...at least I get two lines to serve me. :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

I stay near Serangoon station, where construction for the CCL has not started yet. Living near an interchange is good...at least I get two lines to serve me. :D yar, at least dun have 2 transfer... hate 2 transfer esp when the operator dun plan properly to coincide the arrival of the trains. :bleep:

btw, i find the location of the CCL Serangoon station a bit weird. seems quite far fr the current 1. but at least the link is straight, not like the L shape at outram park.. i m sure u must b cursing each day u transfer there rite. :lol:

Originally posted by kenmin

yar, at least dun have 2 transfer... hate 2 transfer esp when the operator dun plan properly to coincide the arrival of the trains. :bleep:

btw, i find the location of the CCL Serangoon station a bit weird. seems quite far fr the current 1. but at least the link is straight, not like the L shape at outram park.. i m sure u must b cursing each day u transfer there rite. :lol: I dont think they will ever do things such as coinciding arrival times lah. Dosent give them much benefit does it? ;)

Serangoon station where got straigt links....its L shape too loh (actually more like a V shape)!

http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/Circle%20Line3c.JPG

Luckily I try to avoid using the Outram Park one. :D

Oh...yeah precisely...I can hardly see anything in that map, and have to use guesswork sometimes..hehe

Anyway, I personally feel that the old idea of the "Marina Line" is more or less dead by now, especially after they reconfigured it into the Circle Line instead. They appear to be more interested in creating a dense downtown LRT network, of which the plans in the map u mentioned seems to show. They look more like LRT lines then MRT?

Originally posted by huaiwei

Oh...yeah precisely...I can hardly see anything in that map, and have to use guesswork sometimes..hehe

Anyway, I personally feel that the old idea of the "Marina Line" is more or less dead by now, especially after they reconfigured it into the Circle Line instead. They appear to be more interested in creating a dense downtown LRT network, of which the plans in the map u mentioned seems to show. They look more like LRT lines then MRT? yar. planned as LRT. read in some publication. if i m not mistaken, MRL was planned as LRT in the first place. :?

btw, CCL is a mid size transit wif oni 3 carriages.

just too add on. the MRL project is not dead. they oni deferred the chinatown leg, as shown in the pic, to coincide wif the development of the new downtown. no point building now and keep all the stations shut rite?

Originally posted by kenmin

yar. planned as LRT. read in some publication. if i m not mistaken, MRL was planned as LRT in the first place. :?

btw, CCL is a mid size transit wif oni 3 carriages. There are some talk that it will be a mid-sized one, but I am not so sure. Would you mind telling me again why that is so? :D

Originally posted by kenmin

just too add on. the MRL project is not dead. they oni deferred the chinatown leg, as shown in the pic, to coincide wif the development of the new downtown. no point building now and keep all the stations shut rite? Hmm....but the original "Marina Line" thingy was supposed to be an extensive LRT only thingy around the city right? Now that they reconfigured it into several smaller regional lines, then I would assume its gone. :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

There are some talk that it will be a mid-sized one, but I am not so sure. Would you mind telling me again why that is so? :D capacity. look at NEL now. it's really a waste to have so many cars. btw, oni taken the train during the off peak hour and the no. of passengers is really little. how about rush hr? if it is not dat packed, think sbs should just remove 1 or 2 cars now to save some $$.

Originally posted by huaiwei

Hmm....but the original "Marina Line" thingy was supposed to be an extensive LRT only thingy around the city right? Now that they reconfigured it into several smaller regional lines, then I would assume its gone. :D the original MRL comprises of phase 1 or CCL and Chinatown leg, and a portion 2 kallang or paya lebar. think they have not decided whether 2 link it to the CCL at that time.

the no. of stations is said to b up to 20.. dunno how 2 squeeze so many stations into those lines so i presume there r some portion not announced.

Originally posted by kenmin

capacity. look at NEL now. it's really a waste to have so many cars. btw, oni taken the train during the off peak hour and the no. of passengers is really little. how about rush hr? if it is not dat packed, think sbs should just remove 1 or 2 cars now to save some $$. So wat was the announced capacity of the new CCL?

BTW, recently ridership is picking up on the NEL during peak hours. The whole train actually got packed.....to my surprise. I did take it during off-peak hours too, and clearly it did look slightly more well used. That said, there is obviously alot more room for more passengers, but I dare not complain least they remove even more bus routes! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

So wat was the announced capacity of the new CCL?

BTW, recently ridership is picking up on the NEL during peak hours. The whole train actually got packed.....to my surprise. I did take it during off-peak hours too, and clearly it did look slightly more well used. That said, there is obviously alot more room for more passengers, but I dare not complain least they remove even more bus routes! :D i also dunno. i think the it is 1/2 as much as the current lines. may b not, the train could be smaller...

Originally posted by kenmin

i also dunno. i think the it is 1/2 as much as the current lines. may b not, the train could be smaller... I did read the same thing of the trains being three carriages long in some other forum, I think the sgforum, or was it one of our members here pointing it out months ago as well. But if this is so, I would have tot that info would have came out in the press or something, considering they already announced all 5 stages by now?

Originally posted by huaiwei

I did read the same thing of the trains being three carriages long in some other forum, I think the sgforum, or was it one of our members here pointing it out months ago as well. But if this is so, I would have tot that info would have came out in the press or something, considering they already announced all 5 stages by now? most ppl dun find this newsworthy. wat they care is where the stations r, not how big the capacity is. and i m 1 of them. :D

Originally posted by kenmin

most ppl dun find this newsworthy. wat they care is where the stations r, not how big the capacity is. and i m 1 of them. :D Not really. If thats the case, we wont have known the LRT systems are LRT until people start noticing how small the tracks and stations seems to be! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Not really. If thats the case, we wont have known the LRT systems are LRT until people start noticing how small the tracks and stations seems to be! :D it doesn't matter really. but i think there is a diff in speed rite? LRT is much slower... that's wat matters.:D

news states that phase 1 is 50% completed. will it be completed on schedule? that is start operation in 2006.

Originally posted by huaiwei

Hm..they reserved the 4th floor in the Station for the LRT line. It was mentioned often in the press. As for where it goes to...no idea man. Maybe to link up with the one that goes to the NDT? 4th flr as in B4? it is the platform 4 CCL.

Originally posted by kenmin

news states that phase 1 is 50% completed. will it be completed on schedule? that is start operation in 2006. If you chk up the LTA site, it says the phase is due for opening in.....2007.....:bash: :D

Originally posted by kenmin

4th flr as in B4? it is the platform 4 CCL. 4h floor lah...I quoted that from the news article...

Originally posted by huaiwei

4h floor lah...I quoted that from the news article... dat's interesting. 4th flr on Atrium @ Orchard? got platform meh?

Originally posted by huaiwei

If you chk up the LTA site, it says the phase is due for opening in.....2007.....:bash: :D push back again?! when the MRL was announced, they say will open in 2005.. then 2006.. now 2007...

watz wrong? the govt projects used to be ahead of time in the past... now always delay delay delay...

Originally posted by kenmin

dat's interesting. 4th flr on Atrium @ Orchard? got platform meh? Aiyoh...counting to the bottom from the top lah!! :D

Originally posted by kenmin

push back again?! when the MRL was announced, they say will open in 2005.. then 2006.. now 2007...

watz wrong? the govt projects used to be ahead of time in the past... now always delay delay delay... Actually I think the delay was done on purpose. These lines are still considered ahead of their time, with too many areas relatively undeveloped. It serves their purpose to delay as much as they can, while at the same time giving the construction industry something to do. :D

16 Jan 2004

By Derek Cher, Channel NewsAsia

SINGAPORE : Some MRT stations along the new Circle Line will begin operations come 2007.

That is when stage one of the line or 6 stations are due for completion.

And by then, the Dhoby Ghaut MRT station will become the largest interchange station in Singapore.

Construction of the new Circle Line started 2 years ago.

And now, stage one of the project is half complete - on track to roll out in 2007.

Stretching 5.4 kilometres, it runs underground from Dhoby Ghaut to Marina Centre, and on to Stadium Boulevard.

Once completed, Dhoby Ghaut MRT station will be Singapore's largest interchange station.

It will connect commuters from the Circle Line to the North East and North-South Lines.

The Circle Line at the Dhoby Ghaut station is constructed directly below Orchard Road.

Much of the work has already been completed during the construction of the North East Line, leaving the Circle Line with just excavation work to be done.

The biggest headache so far has been the construction of the Museum station.

At 5 storeys underground, it is the deepest MRT station in Singapore.

Careful planning was needed to avoid damaging nearby heritage sites.

Bras Basah Road, which is directly above the station, was diverted for 8 months before returning to its original position.

"The arts museum (is) an old heritage building which we have to preserve. (We also have to) ensure that the construction doesn't affect the settlement of the museum," explained Ng Seng Yoong, Project Director, Circle Line Stage 1, Land Transport Authority.

"This has given us quite a lot of challenges in terms of space constraint and also traffic management."

Another potential problem could be vibrations caused during the building of station entrances.

Mr Ng said: "For the entrance structure that we're constructing, we intend to use a silent piler which has minimal or no vibrations at all to the surrounding buildings."

About 2,000 workers are involved in stage one of the building project.

Originally posted by huaiwei

I did read the same thing of the trains being three carriages long in some other forum, I think the sgforum, or was it one of our members here pointing it out months ago as well. But if this is so, I would have tot that info would have came out in the press or something, considering they already announced all 5 stages by now?

mentioned in the press (http://www.zaobao.com/sp/sp017_170104.html):cool:

Originally posted by huaiwei

Aiyoh...counting to the bottom from the top lah!! :D dat means B4 lar. :bash: it's for CCL...

Originally posted by kenmin

mentioned in the press (http://www.zaobao.com/sp/sp017_170104.html):cool: er? now you saying its actually mentioned in the press?

Originally posted by kenmin

dat means B4 lar. :bash: it's for CCL... ?? Oh..your "B4" means "Basement 4" or "Before"?? :? :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

?? Oh..your "B4" means "Basement 4" or "Before"?? :? :D basement. :bash:

Originally posted by huaiwei

er? now you saying its actually mentioned in the press? yar. in today's newspaper. dat it is mid size transit system... u din click on the link huh.

Originally posted by kenmin

basement. :bash: Aiyah......all the confusion over nothing. :D

Originally posted by kenmin

yar. in today's newspaper. dat it is mid size transit system... u din click on the link huh. Oh I didnt noe got link...:D

Because of this phrase? ÖÐÐÍÌú·ÏßOh man....sick siah...;)

yup. datz the 1.:D

Traffic diversion woes in city to ease

Most roads will be back to original course by the end of the year; stretch of Bras Basah Road next to art museum reopens

MOTORISTS and pedestrians frustrated by road diversions in the city centre due to construction of the MRT's Circle Line, can take comfort from the fact that most of the roads will revert to their original course by the end of the year.

The 33km Circle Line, to be built in five stages, is intended to link suburban areas and complement the existing MRT lines running through the city, thus allowing passengers to cut their travelling time. Stages One to Three of the Circle Line, which stretches 16km from Dhoby Ghaut to Marymount, are now under construction.

A particularly challenging stretch, said the Land Transport Authority (LTA), was along Bras Basah Road, outside the Singapore Art Museum, where the road was diverted in May last year for the construction of the Museum station.

Heavy traffic along the road, the presence of historical landmarks nearby, and construction work at the Singapore Management University meant particular care had to be taken to ensure minimum disruption to the traffic, and to the surrounding areas. This stretch was reopened on Thursday.

The stretch of Bras Basah Road between Beach Road and Nicoll Highway, where the Convention Centre station is being built, is likely to be reopened by the end of the year. The diversions along Nicoll Highway and Stadium Boulevard should also disappear by then. The diversions along Ophir Road will not be necessary by the third quarter of this year.

With 50 per cent of the civil works for the stations and 75 per cent of the work on the tunnel along Stage One of the Circle Line completed, construction is on schedule, said the LTA.

yay! I hope the road in front of the Singapore Art Museum will be back to normal. That landmark deserves a nice frontage.;)

Originally posted by RafflesCity

yay! I hope the road in front of the Singapore Art Museum will be back to normal. That landmark deserves a nice frontage.;) If the roads around Beach Road go back to normal too, I would want to go up swissotel again to snap pictures of the memorial park! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

If the roads around Beach Road go back to normal too, I would want to go up swissotel again to snap pictures of the memorial park! :D

What stations are they building there ar?:?

Originally posted by RafflesCity

What stations are they building there ar?:? The so-called "Convention Centre" station....eww....;)

Originally posted by huaiwei

The so-called "Convention Centre" station....eww....;)

Quite frankly I wonder if there is an actual need for it. SunTec is already so close to City Hall. I mean is there a huge population centre there? While I am very impressed with the Circle Line and all the new names, some of them seem extravagant.

Originally posted by RafflesCity

Quite frankly I wonder if there is an actual need for it. SunTec is already so close to City Hall. I mean is there a huge population centre there? While I am very impressed with the Circle Line and all the new names, some of them seem extravagant. being sandwiched between City Hall and Millenia, it does seem redundant. Museum station too. However, we don't know the long term plan. they may be there as interchanges in the future?:?

Convention Centre station does seem rather silly. They seem to be sqeezing in twice the usual number of stations per km, when compared to the NSL line.

I have a feeling the existing Citylink Mall will help to link up the City Hall and Musuem stations, but that will mean having to exit the faregates? Wonder what is the plan they have in their heads..;)

Originally posted by huaiwei

Convention Centre station does seem rather silly. They seem to be sqeezing in twice the usual number of stations per km, when compared to the NSL line.

I have a feeling the existing Citylink Mall will help to link up the City Hall and Musuem stations, but that will mean having to exit the faregates? Wonder what is the plan they have in their heads..;)
u mean City Hall and Convention Centre? :bash: they r confirmed linked by Citylink/1 Raffles Link. but there is no plan for them to be interchanges at the moment. at least not announced.

anyway, which is better? walk 500m or transfer 2 times @ Dhoby Ghaut and City Hall? if can prove that the 1st choice is better, they might make the system at CityHall/Convention Centre work like transferring between buses. ie, give u 20min (should be more than enough rite?) to exit one and then the other station.

Very interesting. I don't keep very up to date on this topic, so i don't know very much except whatever is on this thread. I'm just happy there'll be one outside my estate. :p

Approximate Station Location (Phase 1)
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_dhoby_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_museum_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_convention_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_millenia_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_nicoll_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_boulevard_map.gif
yes. they only named it Boulevard. what a meaningless name. :bash:

Originally posted by kenmin

u mean City Hall and Convention Centre? :bash: they r confirmed linked by Citylink/1 Raffles Link. but there is no plan for them to be interchanges at the moment. at least not announced.

anyway, which is better? walk 500m or transfer 2 times @ Dhoby Ghaut and City Hall? if can prove that the 1st choice is better, they might make the system at CityHall/Convention Centre work like transferring between buses. ie, give u 20min (should be more than enough rite?) to exit one and then the other station. Ops....yeah I was refering to Convention Centre station...:D

Well it does make complete sense to turn it into an interchange, which will mainly benefit the EW line users. I cant remember, but I actually tot I recall seeing some plans for new underpasses on the other two sides of the Memorial park, such that together, they form like a underground perimeter all around? It might be part of a preliminery plan for Citylink, but it might be feasible to link the two stations together! :D

Phase 2
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl2_oldairport_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl2_tk_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl2_pl_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl2_macp_map.gif
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl2_upl_map.gif

WAAA!!! I didnt noe they got such detailed maps!!! :D

Originally posted by kenmin

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_convention_map.gifArts Centre Line??? :colgate:

Artist's Impression

Dhoby Ghaut
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_dhoby.jpg
The station's concourse level.

Museum
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_meseum1.jpg
View from the eight-storey deep entrance to the station.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_meseum2.jpg
This award-winning design allows views to the surrounding raintree canopies through the station's glass roof. A thin layer of filtered water at ground level also transforms the space into a shimmering wonderland.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_meseum3.jpg
Ground level view of the reflection pool.

Convention Centre
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_convention.jpg
The station's interior and platform area.

Millenia
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_millienia3.jpg
Voids at concourse level and glass-clad lifts lend the station an airy feel.

Nicoll Highway
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_nicoll.jpg
During the day, sunlight streams through the large, linear skylight in the station's interior.

Boulevardhttp://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_done_boulecard.jpg
The station's interior view from its platform level.

Originally posted by huaiwei

Ops....yeah I was refering to Convention Centre station...:D

Well it does make complete sense to turn it into an interchange, which will mainly benefit the EW line users. I cant remember, but I actually tot I recall seeing some plans for new underpasses on the other two sides of the Memorial park, such that together, they form like a underground perimeter all around? It might be part of a preliminery plan for Citylink, but it might be feasible to link the two stations together! :D I think I have seen it too. maybe they find it not practical so scrap off the extra portion.

have u weighed all the pros and cons of making them the interchanges?

pros
dun have to transfer 2 times

cons
gotta walk ~500m
gotta fight your way through leisure shoppers who take their own sweet time to stroll

unless u r saying building another link specially for this purpose.

Originally posted by huaiwei

WAAA!!! I didnt noe they got such detailed maps!!! :D

Arts Centre Line??? :colgate: recent addition.

anyway, wat arts centre line??? :?

Originally posted by kenmin

I think I have seen it too. maybe they find it not practical so scrap off the extra portion.

have u weighed all the pros and cons of making them the interchanges?

pros
dun have to transfer 2 times

cons
gotta walk ~500m
gotta fight your way through leisure shoppers who take their own sweet time to stroll

unless u r saying building another link specially for this purpose. According to my pros and cons analysis, they have to build a dedicated link between the two with travelletors no matter wat! :D

Originally posted by kenmin

anyway, wat arts centre line??? :? Look at that map properly! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Look at that map properly! :D ic. according to the concept plan 2001, the line is there. will come fr NE2 (or CC30) then pass by the fringe of the New Downtown, then the part u see in the map (that's the reason why i said Convention Centre could be an interchange in the future) all the way towards Nicoll Highway station (another interchange?), make a left turn towards Lavender station, Farrer Park station, Balestier Road and link up with Thomson line.

I tot it is part of Thomson Line. so they have a name for it. or a tentative 1 like MRL (which eventually becomes part of CCL)?

Originally posted by kenmin

ic. according to the concept plan 2001, the line is there. will come fr NE2 (or CC30) then pass by the fringe of the New Downtown, then the part u see in the map (that's the reason why i said Convention Centre could be an interchange in the future) all the way towards Nicoll Highway station (another interchange?), make a left turn towards Lavender station, Farrer Park station, Balestier Road and link up with Thomson line.

I tot it is part of Thomson Line. so they have a name for it. or a tentative 1 like MRL (which eventually becomes part of CCL)? This makes it seem more like a major line then "arts lines" would suggest? It seems more to be one of those local LRT lines planned for the area?

Originally posted by huaiwei

This makes it seem more like a major line then "arts lines" would suggest? It seems more to be one of those local LRT lines planned for the area? According to the concept plan, it is an MRT line.

Originally posted by kenmin

According to the concept plan, it is an MRT line. MRT? Aiyah CCL they also say semi sized....not sire if they can make an MRT do those aerobatic stunts within the tight confines of our downtown! ;)

Originally posted by huaiwei

MRT? Aiyah CCL they also say semi sized....not sire if they can make an MRT do those aerobatic stunts within the tight confines of our downtown! ;) I think all non light rail will be known as MRT.

Originally posted by kenmin

I think all non light rail will be known as MRT. Wish they could at least indicate it all in three tones...

heirloom found these renditions.

according to its website, Hassell (www.hassell.com.au) has designed five stations for the Circle line.

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-04.jpg

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-03.jpg

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-02.jpg

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-01.jpg

OMG!! :eek:

At first, I actually tot it was illustrations of the NEL! :D

At first I thought it looks more like airport LOL:colgate:

http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20bty-mm-hassell03.jpg

http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20ml2%20hassell.jpg

http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20ml4%20hassell.jpg

http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20ml5%20hassell.jpg

http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20ml1%20hassell.jpg

http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20ml3%20hassell.jpg

more to be found here (http://www.3designarchitect.com/gallerytransport.htm)

the travellator... maybe its the one between cityhall and um the other oen?

I think so. Unless there are other very large MRT stations with huge underground walkways? Dhoby Ghaut?

i think only dhoby ghaut has them.. that definitely isnt dhoby ghaut... and you notice the floor seems to be drawn unevenly? is it supposed to be like that?

Originally posted by heirloom

i think only dhoby ghaut has them.. that definitely isnt dhoby ghaut... and you notice the floor seems to be drawn unevenly? is it supposed to be like that? Er...this is about new plans wat...cant be on the existing travellator in Dhoby Ghaut?

Does the Circle Line pass through City Hall? In any case this design looks like its for a huge underground interchange.

Originally posted by RafflesCity

Does the Circle Line pass through City Hall? In any case this design looks like its for a huge underground interchange. It doesnt, but earlier, we were speculating if the Convention centre station might be linked up with City Hall...

eh... i read something about woha architects winning the competition for both museum and boulevard station.. and the boulevard station competition had entries from like foster an dpartners and will alsop and the like... anyone knows where to find renderings of those? i'm really curious to see. maybe woha architects might become sg's first ummm foster & partners-scale architects?

Nothing from foster's site?

no leh... they'll only show projects which have been selected right?

Originally posted by heirloom

no leh... they'll only show projects which have been selected right? Usually they will also show their competition enties and so on.

Now construction can be seen at Thomson area.

yay... which part of thomson? near sin ming road?

Must be damn noisy. I'm glad its not near my part of lower thomson!

I dont seem to see construction in the rest of stage 3 yet? Or maybe I wasent observant enough...

Originally posted by heirloom

yay... which part of thomson? near sin ming road? should be the Marymount station @ Shunfu Estate. the site office of Bishan station has also been set up.

btw, i think the travellator is the link between Dhoby Ghaut/Museum/City Hall stations. I think I read somewhere about connecting the SMU togehter with all these 3 stations... or at least the first 2...

Originally posted by kenmin

btw, i think the travellator is the link between Dhoby Ghaut/Museum/City Hall stations. I think I read somewhere about connecting the SMU togehter with all these 3 stations... or at least the first 2... What a bunch of pampered students they are going to be!! :bash: :D

It is somewhere near Marymount Lane ,near those maisonettes ,if I remember clearly.

anyone knows if tampines iwll have lrt / new mrt line passing by tampines ave 9?

Originally posted by heirloom

anyone knows if tampines iwll have lrt / new mrt line passing by tampines ave 9? Tampines Ave 9 is so long. which part r u referring to? I believe there will be 1 mrt station on the ERL near TPJC.

As for the west end, if they follow the concept plan, an LRT station will probably be built there.

anyway, this thread is about circle line let's not digress.:)

Hahaha......apparantly he feels left out coz the line dosent serve anywhere near his home? :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Hahaha......apparantly he feels left out coz the line dosent serve anywhere near his home? :D
blarrrrr
when i move to ummm that new downtown condominium there'll be no need to ask such questions :D *dreams* i'm near junction of avenue 9 and avenue 10... tpjc.. haiz sucks...

circle line... why such a small circle?!

If you want big big circle...then you have to wait longer loh! :D

Originally posted by heirloom

blarrrrr
when i move to ummm that new downtown condominium there'll be no need to ask such questions :D *dreams* i'm near junction of avenue 9 and avenue 10... tpjc.. haiz sucks...

circle line... why such a small circle?!

Circle Line is not very small in size. hahahah. It is much larger than NEL - 34km with 29 stations although all Circle Line stations will be 1/2 the size of normal MRT stations and Circle Line trains are also 1/2 the size of MRT trains (only 3 cars per train). So construction of Circle Line stations may be finished faster than what it would take normal MRT stations to be finished.

It is designed to bypass city. It is more to orbital line.

NEL, East-West line, Changi Airport line, North-South line are all radical lines.

As for Tampines area - for sure, Eastern Region line will eventually reach this. Soon or later you may have small LRT system within Tampines like Sengkang LRT and soon Punggol LRT (they will start operating this year).

Jurong West/East will get Jurong LRT. :P

Anyway we have chunks of rail projects coming our way. Buses play the role where they serve areas that are not accessible by trains.

Originally posted by JediAlf

Circle Line is not very small in size. hahahah. It is much larger than NEL - 34km with 29 stations although all Circle Line stations will be 1/2 the size of normal MRT stations and Circle Line trains are also 1/2 the size of MRT trains (only 3 cars per train). So construction of Circle Line stations may be finished faster than what it would take normal MRT stations to be finished.
dun 4get that tunneling is also very time consuming.

Originally posted by JediAlf

Circle Line is not very small in size. hahahah. It is much larger than NEL - 34km with 29 stations although all Circle Line stations will be 1/2 the size of normal MRT stations and Circle Line trains are also 1/2 the size of MRT trains (only 3 cars per train). So construction of Circle Line stations may be finished faster than what it would take normal MRT stations to be finished.

It is designed to bypass city. It is more to orbital line.

NEL, East-West line, Changi Airport line, North-South line are all radical lines.

As for Tampines area - for sure, Eastern Region line will eventually reach this. Soon or later you may have small LRT system within Tampines like Sengkang LRT and soon Punggol LRT (they will start operating this year).

Jurong West/East will get Jurong LRT. :P

Anyway we have chunks of rail projects coming our way. Buses play the role where they serve areas that are not accessible by trains.

I hope the central area of S'pore like AMK ,Bishan and Serangoon area would have LRT.

I also wish that there'll be a MRT shuttle service linking S'pore and M'sia.That would ease up the jam on the Causeway.Hope they'll incorporate it into the new bridge.

Originally posted by redstone

I hope the central area of S'pore like AMK ,Bishan and Serangoon area would have LRT.

I also wish that there'll be a MRT shuttle service linking S'pore and M'sia.That would ease up the jam on the Causeway.Hope they'll incorporate it into the new bridge.

kenmin, nod nod. Tunnelling is very tedious process in all civil works.

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redstone, LRT systems depends on the availability of lands especially lands next to existing MRT stations. It is very expensive to have underground LRT and may not be practical for short distances. It is cheaper to have elevated LRT systems.

So elevated LRT systems would take up spaces.

LTA planners have to think how to fit Sengkang style LRT systems in mature towns like Toa Payoh and Ang Mo Kio unless they decide to put monorail there just like Jurong Bird Park monorail.

As for Singapore-Malaysia MRT shuttle, it may be very difficult due to political reasons and potential brickering between our leaders and Malaysian leaders over type of trains and usage of power lines etc. High speed train between Malaysia and Singapore may take very long time to arrive due to differences betwen two countries.

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I am amazed that HarbourFront station on Circle Line is built first before Phase 4 and 5 stations are being built. Guess they hurry building HarbourFront station because HarbourFront Centre is going to building its front section of HarbourFront Centre which happens to be right above the Circle Line. The full completion of HarbourFront Centre is further delayed. :weird:

Originally posted by JediAlf

I am amazed that HarbourFront station on Circle Line is built first before Phase 4 and 5 stations are being built. Guess they hurry building HarbourFront station because HarbourFront Centre is going to building its front section of HarbourFront Centre which happens to be right above the Circle Line. The full completion of HarbourFront Centre is further delayed. :weird: You saw the construction has already commenced for the circle line there?? Thats bloody fast!! :eek:

Originally posted by huaiwei

You saw the construction has already commenced for the circle line there?? Thats bloody fast!! :eek: I suppose he meant already completed? :?

I thought Harbourfront Centre is the mall at the World Trade Centre?:?

Originally posted by kenmin

I suppose he meant already completed? :? Ohoh...but the plans showed they giong to build another station beside it??

Originally posted by RafflesCity

I thought Harbourfront Centre is the mall at the World Trade Centre?:? You talking about The Harboufront as per the one being built over the ex-WTC Expo or the existing WTC? ;)

Originally posted by huaiwei

You talking about The Harboufront as per the one being built over the ex-WTC Expo or the existing WTC? ;)

Existing. So basically they are extending the current Harbourfront?

Originally posted by huaiwei

You talking about The Harboufront as per the one being built over the ex-WTC Expo or the existing WTC? ;)

Clearing the air...

HarbourFront Centre is the former WTC building. If you walk to this building via overhead bridge, you would notice that the front section of HarbourFront Centre is still incomplete. Actually, Circle line runs beneath this incomplete front section. So apparently LTA is speeding up construction of Circle Line's HarbourFront Station.

At site of ex-WTC Expo - they are already digging up soils and put in steel beams to form a new harbourfront station for Circle Line.

What I was amazed is that Circle Line Stage 4 and 5 are still not tendered out completely to contractors yet.

So it means Circle Line's HabourFront Station would be finished constructing in few years' time, say 2006. However it only opens in 2010 because the civil works for Stage 5 would finish later in 2008/2009! So this station will collect dusts for at least 4 years! :ancient:

Originally posted by JediAlf

Clearing the air...

HarbourFront Centre is the former WTC building. If you walk to this building via overhead bridge, you would notice that the front section of HarbourFront Centre is still incomplete. Actually, Circle line runs beneath this incomplete front section. So apparently LTA is speeding up construction of Circle Line's HarbourFront Station.

At site of ex-WTC Expo - they are already digging up soils and put in steel beams to form a new harbourfront station for Circle Line.

What I was amazed is that Circle Line Stage 4 and 5 are still not tendered out completely to contractors yet.

So it means Circle Line's HabourFront Station would be finished constructing in few years' time, say 2006. However it only opens in 2010 because the civil works for Stage 5 would finish later in 2008/2009! So this station will collect dusts for at least 4 years! :ancient: Did they create a white box in advance? they did for Dhoby Ghaut station rite? din see much digging for the CCL station.

If JediAlf was right, then that confirms my surprise! Did they have billboards announcing it as the CCL construction on site?

Originally posted by huaiwei

If JediAlf was right, then that confirms my surprise! Did they have billboards announcing it as the CCL construction on site?

Nod nod. It clearly says "Circle Line..." No mistake!

I was stunned when I was riding on bus past this site. My jaws were dropped because the news of Circle Line Stage 4 and 5 were released only recently. I checked the LTA website regarding the tenders of Circle Line Stage 4 and 5. The tenders were not completed yet.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/tender_info/index_tender_info.htm

Click on Jan 2004.

You can see Circle Line Stage 4 and 5 are being tendered out to contractors now! :bash:

Originally posted by kenmin

Did they create a white box in advance? they did for Dhoby Ghaut station rite? din see much digging for the CCL station.

Nope for HarbourFront Interchange.

At Dhoby Ghaut, actually they already digged up for Circle Line station during the construction of NEL! Now the engineers just add in civil works to this station, probably starting to put in rails and electrical and necessary works to this station structure.

This is why you notice all roads leading from Dhoby Ghaut to City Hall are already reversed back to normal position so fast.

If you are walking from North-South station to NEL station via walkway and then you take escalator down, you would be able to see big white wall on left. Actually this massive wall is temporary. Behind this wall is Circle Line station!

Dhoby Ghaut Interchange is so huge that it has 3 stations sitting to each other.

Originally posted by JediAlf

Nod nod. It clearly says "Circle Line..." No mistake!

I was stunned when I was riding on bus past this site. My jaws were dropped because the news of Circle Line Stage 4 and 5 were released only recently. I checked the LTA website regarding the tenders of Circle Line Stage 4 and 5. The tenders were not completed yet.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/tender_info/index_tender_info.htm

Click on Jan 2004.

You can see Circle Line Stage 4 and 5 are being tendered out to contractors now! :bash: puzzle solved.

(2) CCL4&5 will be designed by the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and its appointed consultants. CCL4&5 consists of a total route length of approx 17km with 12 stations namely Thomson, Adam, Farrer, Holland, Buona Vista, One-north, National University Hospital, West Coast, Pasir Panjang , Alexandra, Telok Blangah and HarbourFront (HBF) stations and Bukit Brown RTS Structure. Five of the stations will be designed as underground civil defence (CD) stations and the station structures of One-north and HBF are to be constructed by others. Civil Engineering contractors with proven expertise and experience in the construction of mass rapid transit stations and tunnels in a timely and safe manner. The pre-qualification is for the civil construction of the stations and tunnel works to CCL4&5. The internal diameter of the bored tunnels will be approximately 5800mm. Turn back facilities and emergency sidings will be provided at intervals.
seems that Thomson and West Coast will be like Buangkok and Woodleigh.. while Bukit Brown is like NE2, albeit basic structure already built.

Not bad...at least they have a litte bit of foresight somewhere? :D

Old Airport Road station
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl2_oldairport.jpg
The station's exterior and platform area.

Tanjong Katong station
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl2_tanjong.jpg
The station's exterior and platform area.

Paya Lebar station
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl2_payalebar.jpg
This station is linked to the existing station on the East West Line.

MacPherson station
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl2_macperson.jpg
A cross-section of the station's interior.

Upper Paya Lebar station
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl2_uppayalebar.jpg
A perspective showing the station's exterior and interior.

Bishan station
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl3_bishan.jpg
The station's platform area.

Other Stations
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl3_others.jpg
An overview of the remaining four stations' interior.

how come the stations look long enough for 6 cars?

Originally posted by heirloom

how come the stations look long enough for 6 cars? maybe they r using NEL pic instead? the colors look like SBSTransit... :laugh:

If the trains are really 3-car, I suspect it is jus an interim thing until demand allows for 6 cars later?

Originally posted by huaiwei

If the trains are really 3-car, I suspect it is jus an interim thing until demand allows for 6 cars later? but some of stations r so short. an obvious eg will be Museum station.

bishan looks like nel but looks good :D are there pics showing how short museum station is?

Originally posted by kenmin

but some of stations r so short. an obvious eg will be Museum station. But every other station box looks about the same as regular stations?

Originally posted by huaiwei

But every other station box looks about the same as regular stations? Then what should they do with Museum station? shut it down when there is higher demand along the line? :?

Originally posted by kenmin

Then what should they do with Museum station? shut it down when there is higher demand along the line? :? Er..but is it really that short? Why one short stations when every other station is longer?

i dont think it would be short.. after all it is in the city.... the singapore art museum... it's always better to provide for more than for less

I thought Bishan station is semi-open air how come it looks like this?
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl3_bishan.jpg

Originally posted by RafflesCity

I thought Bishan station is semi-open air how come it looks like this?
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl3_bishan.jpg This is the new CCL station mah....

Originally posted by huaiwei

Er..but is it really that short? Why one short stations when every other station is longer? it's only slightly longer than Art Museum... not long rite? why the rest r longer? i think gotta ask LTA... who got access to the technical drawings? then we can know the actual length of the stations...

Originally posted by huaiwei

This is the new CCL station mah....

So you mean CCL Bishan is not going to be the same as NSL Bishan? How will they be related?

Originally posted by RafflesCity

So you mean CCL Bishan is not going to be the same as NSL Bishan? How will they be related? Coz the lines are diagonal, they have to build a perpendicular station which is linked to the existing one? Something like Outram or Dhoby Ghaut loh. :colgate:

oh no wonder! Will be inetersting to seee:cool:

Originally posted by RafflesCity

I thought Bishan station is semi-open air how come it looks like this?


This is new Circle Line station - underground station beneath the existing North-South Line - located at the north of the existing ground level station of Bishan.

They will dig up somewhere near the end of existing Bishan platform to make a walkway - just like what they did to Outram Park. They made holes in EW's Outram Park Station and connect the walkway to NEL's Outram Park station.

Two stations combined to form an interchange of Bishan. :P

Originally posted by heirloom

how come the stations look long enough for 6 cars?

Clearing air...

All Circle Line stations are half the size of normal existing MRT stations.

This line is medium types - So all stations on Circle Line are smaller and Circle Line trains are consisting of three cars, not usual 6 cars.

Originally posted by huaiwei

If the trains are really 3-car, I suspect it is jus an interim thing until demand allows for 6 cars later?

Nope. Circle Line is designed to be medium type of rail. SMRT will increase the frequencies of 3-car trains when demands increase.

Already ordered more than 25 trains. First set of trains is expected to arrive in Singapore from France in 2005.

These trains as pointed out by Kenim that are similiar to NEL trains in colours (except for corporate livery)

These Circle Line trains are same as NEL train, built by same French train builder - Alstom.

Except that Circle Line trains are powered by third rail while NEL trains are powered by cantenary system (overhead power lines).

Details from Alstom website (www.alstom.com):
------------------------
Main characteristics
- number of vehicles : 40 x 3-car trainsets
- carbody : aluminium
- capacity :960(148 seats) - 6 passengers/m2
- length :70 m
- width : 3.21 m
- maximum design speed : 100 kph
- power supply : 750 V with 3rd rail

Circle Line
These 120 METROPOLIS cars will run on the Circle Line in Singapore. METROPOLIS for Singapore is the world's largest fully automatic metro.

Customer : Land Transit Authority
In service : as of 2007
Manufactured : France
------------------------

But how come the station outline seems so huge? In fact, some of them look bigger then existing stations!

Originally posted by huaiwei

But how come the station outline seems so huge? In fact, some of them look bigger then existing stations!

I guess the architecture makes it look bigger since Circle Line stations are already small in scale.

Originally posted by JediAlf

I guess the architecture makes it look bigger since Circle Line stations are already small in scale. I was refering to the station outline maps published by the LTA...as they also did for NEL. The sizes of the stations are comparable, and in fact, several are huge on the CCL!

never mind - grand stations are good :)

i hope the circle line has a very high frequency... i'd rather have shorter trains and higher frequency. it's always so disgusting to wait

Originally posted by huaiwei

I was refering to the station outline maps published by the LTA...as they also did for NEL. The sizes of the stations are comparable, and in fact, several are huge on the CCL!

The outline includes the walkway and the entrances of the station depending the surroundings like undergound canals and neighbouring buildings as well as storage of electrical generators and other facilities that power and operates the stations - always hidden from the public view.

Once you step into Circle Line stations, you will realise how small they are, compared to NEL stations.

Walk further into platform and you stand there and look around. You realise the platform is only 1/2 the size of normal stations. Before you utter "wah so small?!", 3-cars train in familiar SMRT livery pulls into station platform.

If you notice - many stations along Circle Line Stage 1 have natural sunlight coming through openings in the ceiling. This would make stations look bigger and brighter.

The deepest station on the network is Musem. It is because of underground water canal that leads from Orchard to Marina Bay and existing North-South line tunnels nearby. It has to be built deep.

The biggest interchange on the network is Dhoby Ghaut combined of three seperate stations, SBS Transit's North East Line station and SMRT's North-South Line station and SMRT's Circle Line station.

Few stations on Circle Line will probably get white boxes in the outline to be future Interchange like Millenia, Adam, MacPherson etc.

Originally posted by heirloom

never mind - grand stations are good :)

i hope the circle line has a very high frequency... i'd rather have shorter trains and higher frequency. it's always so disgusting to wait

You can expect higher frequency on Circle Line. It has damning potential to squeeze people on 3-car trains.

Originally posted by JediAlf

The outline includes the walkway and the entrances of the station depending the surroundings like undergound canals and neighbouring buildings as well as storage of electrical generators and other facilities that power and operates the stations - always hidden from the public view.

Once you step into Circle Line stations, you will realise how small they are, compared to NEL stations.

Walk further into platform and you stand there and look around. You realise the platform is only 1/2 the size of normal stations. Before you utter "wah so small?!", 3-cars train in familiar SMRT livery pulls into station platform.



omigod. either you're working on the circle line, or you have amazing visualization powers. really looking at pictures of circle line stations, i can't tell they're small!

Originally posted by heirloom

omigod. either you're working on the circle line, or you have amazing visualization powers. really looking at pictures of circle line stations, i can't tell they're small!

Simply you can imagine when you are at existing MRT station. You can walk to the third car from the front. And picture yourself. Then visually move the escalators and lift shaft to the middle of the platform.

If you are at underground stations, go to 12th door- this is where the last doors of 3rd car stand.

This is how I picture it. :P

:yes: ----------------------- *brain implodes*

I dont know if I would 100% agree with that. When they realised the station profiles for the NEL, and then for the CCL, the station boxes are comparable in size. Several stations, including Nicoll Highway and Milennia are noticabley longer then even the existing stations. Stadium station had a design which also required a full station size?

Originally posted by JediAlf

They will dig up somewhere near the end of existing Bishan platform to make a walkway - just like what they did to Outram Park. They made holes in EW's Outram Park Station and connect the walkway to NEL's Outram Park station.

Two stations combined to form an interchange of Bishan. :P

Oh thanks! I'm really getting excited and I should take a look at Outram Park now. Last time I passed by it years ago, it was just a normal station on the EW line:D

Originally posted by RafflesCity

Oh thanks! I'm really getting excited and I should take a look at Outram Park now. Last time I passed by it years ago, it was just a normal station on the EW line:D

Coming up are Paya Lebar Interchange, Bishan Interchange, Serangoon Interchange, Buona Vista Interchange, HarbourFront Interchange. All of them are connecting with Circle Line stations.

All of them were once normal stations too.

NSL Bishan Station - ground level station
EWL Buona Vista Station - 4 level elevated station
EWL Paya Lebar Station - 2 level elevated station
NEL Serangoon Station - underground station
NEL HarbourFront Station - underground station

* NSL - North-South Line
EWL - East-West Line
NEL - North East Line
CCL - Circle Line

HabourFront Interchange is the only interchange that has two stations located in parallel.

Status : CCL HarbourFront station under construction. Beams are seen inside the station box. Already digged out soils.

Bishan, Buona Vista and Paya Lebar are first stations to be connected to underground stations. It is cool to walk from air con underground station and emerge in the non-air con elevated station. Hahaha!

Status: CCL Paya Lebar is now in messy construction. Parts of roads have been diverted. In phase of construction of civil works.

Status: CCL Bishan - soon to be in phase of drilling and digging.

Status: CCL Buona Vista - no signs of construction starting yet.

Serangoon Interchange is intergrated with buildings above the interchange as well as bus interchange. Good for the residents staying near this. Just less than 5 mins to reach Bishan from this interchange via train!

Status: CCL Serangoon - soon to be in phase of drilling and digging.

Originally posted by RafflesCity

Oh thanks! I'm really getting excited and I should take a look at Outram Park now. Last time I passed by it years ago, it was just a normal station on the EW line:D the existing outram station still looks the same wat...in fact, it seems even more dark and crammed! :colgate:

Originally posted by huaiwei

the existing outram station still looks the same wat...in fact, it seems even more dark and crammed! :colgate:

It is not same anymore if you notice changes in ceilings hahahaha. It is no longer stand alone station. It has become an interchange. :P

Originally posted by JediAlf

It is not same anymore if you notice changes in ceilings hahahaha. It is no longer stand alone station. It has become an interchange. :P Yeah lah..but they added extra stairs and so on to the new station mah....and the whole place look even more cramped and dark then ever! Did they change the ceiling recently? :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

I dont know if I would 100% agree with that. When they realised the station profiles for the NEL, and then for the CCL, the station boxes are comparable in size. Several stations, including Nicoll Highway and Milennia are noticabley longer then even the existing stations. Stadium station had a design which also required a full station size? some grapevine news... some1 said that Millenia and Nicoll Highway stations r like City Hall and Raffles Place... the tunnels are stacked up... :eek:

oooh goody we need more interchanges..

Originally posted by kenmin

some grapevine news... some1 said that Millenia and Nicoll Highway stations r like City Hall and Raffles Place... the tunnels are stacked up... :eek: Which line is supposed to have an interchange with nicol highway? Or you mean the NDT line is going to ran parallel with both Milenia and Nicoll before branching out??

Originally posted by huaiwei

Which line is supposed to have an interchange with nicol highway? Or you mean the NDT line is going to ran parallel with both Milenia and Nicoll before branching out?? i also dunno. can only go to the site office to take a look. who got kangtao? :D

Aiyah..the only way I can see the site was to look from Benjamin Sheares bridge...its amazingly deep! ;)

maybe it'll be like how red and green line operate now? both go through cityhall and raffles palce

the stacked tunnel is true!! take a look at Master Plan 2003. the rail line fr Millenia to Nicoll Highway is only represented by 1 line whereas it's 2 for all other lines!!! :eek:

dat means they haven't dug the other tunnels? or the tunnels were stacked due to space constrain? got meh??:? getting more and more mysterious...:ohno:

Originally posted by huaiwei

Which line is supposed to have an interchange with nicol highway? Or you mean the NDT line is going to ran parallel with both Milenia and Nicoll before branching out??

My guess is Bukit Timah line that may be an interchange with Nicoll Highway.

Or mysterious Art Central line (it first appeared on the map of Convention Centre station) may be used for Nicoll Highway.

Millenia - for sure - branching out like Tanah Merah/Jurong East - one going to Nicoll Highway and other one going to Marina Bay before linking to HarbourFront in final leg of Circle Line.

Originally posted by huaiwei

Aiyah..the only way I can see the site was to look from Benjamin Sheares bridge...its amazingly deep! ;)

Yup..saw it from there too. At least 5 levels deep!:cheers:

Millenia Station
http://www.wohhup.com/images/c825.jpg

I simply cannot wait for the last phase - Circle Line Stage 6 to connect HabourFront to Millenia - it is the fastest link to West from City. COOL!

Originally posted by JediAlf

I simply cannot wait for the last phase - Circle Line Stage 6 to connect HabourFront to Millenia - it is the fastest link to West from City. COOL! erm... it's more for those who use CCL. i think those using EWL would not use CCL to go to the city, unless u r referring to marina area?

i wonder how many ppl are actually gonna use that huge exit?

i imagine most would rather come out from the exit in millenia walk

isn't there supposed to be an outer circle line as well? or is that formed by the northshore line connected to north south line?

Wow! Nice station!!

Originally posted by kenmin

erm... it's more for those who use CCL. i think those using EWL would not use CCL to go to the city, unless u r referring to marina area?

The city around Marina Bay will take another years to flourish before the last leg of Circle Line is eventually built. The new stations are already marked out in Marina Bay, the extension of CBD.

Alot of people would definitely take Circle Line trains especially those stay in West near NUH/Science Park/Telok Blangah if it is provided that it cut down the travelling time and Circle Line Stage 6 is completed.

We can expect more surprises or more jaw-dropping news from LTA in coming years...

Originally posted by heirloom

isn't there supposed to be an outer circle line as well? or is that formed by the northshore line connected to north south line?

If I am not wrong, Circle Line is one of orbital lines that would go in circle in central, pass through sub-regional centres like Bishan, Paya Lebar, Serangoon, Buona Vista - designed to bypass the city.

The other orbital line is probably Eastern Region Line in Eastern section of Singapore as it has very dense population more than Western, looking at how packed the residental areas in East compared to West.

Other radical lines that would connect other existing lines - Northshore Line, Bukit Timah Region Line etc...we can expect them to be either medium type or heavy type of rail.

Soon after Bukit Panjang LRT, Sengkang LRT, Punggol LRT, soon-to-build Jurong LRT, we can expect to have more LRT lines flourishing across other towns like Bedok, Tampines, Pasir Ris.

This can never end...

after all that's done... time to upgrade to maglev subway :colgate:

Nice, but it seems to waste alot of above-ground space. :D

And more importantly, it dosent look like its serving a shorter train?? :?

Originally posted by JediAlf

I simply cannot wait for the last phase - Circle Line Stage 6 to connect HabourFront to Millenia - it is the fastest link to West from City. COOL! I have a feeling CCL stage 6 will never materialise...

Originally posted by huaiwei

Nice, but it seems to waste alot of above-ground space. :D

And more importantly, it dosent look like its serving a shorter train?? :?

Well... here is the floor plans from LTA on Serangoon Circle line Station.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/land_sales/amend_appB150803.htm

Click on Serangoon Station Platform and Under Platform Ref. Plan (it is in Adobe Pfd file.)

You will see how small is the platform and you can see three cars train in the floor plans and you also see the sliding doors corresponding to the doors of three car trains as well as pillars that support the station.

This would answer how small this station platform actually. :P

Originally posted by huaiwei

Nice, but it seems to waste alot of above-ground space. :D

And more importantly, it dosent look like its serving a shorter train?? :?

oh yeah but its gonna be an interchange right? maybe preparing for future high volumes? are there going to be any big developments other than singapore flyer (not so big, but still 200 million) on the other side of the bridge?

Originally posted by heirloom

oh yeah but its gonna be an interchange right? maybe preparing for future high volumes? are there going to be any big developments other than singapore flyer (not so big, but still 200 million) on the other side of the bridge?

Millenia is more like Tanah Merah/Jurong East where line is branched out.

Too bad we cannot get hold of floor plans of this station including all Circle Line stations. It will be very interesting to peek and see how this is planned.

The public platforms of all Circle Line remain shorter ( the length of 3-cars train). Most of the station appears longer because of generators and other eletrical supplies and other necessary machines are all hidden away from the public view (most are adjacent to the public platforms inside the stations.

Already seen from the Serangoon Circle Line station floor plans. This should be applicable to most stations.

what if in future capacity needs to be increased on existing lines? would the only solution be to have more frequent services or can stations be extended to accommodate longer trains?

Originally posted by heirloom

what if in future capacity needs to be increased on existing lines? would the only solution be to have more frequent services or can stations be extended to accommodate longer trains?


Confirmed that SMRT will increase the frequencies of train services on Circle Line - already ordered 40 3-cars trains.

Even the depot for Circle Line has two levels underground.

As indicated from Serangoon Circle Line station floor plans, these are not likely to expand to accommodate longer trains.

Originally posted by JediAlf

Well... here is the floor plans from LTA on Serangoon Circle line Station.AAHH!! Three carriages!! :bash: :D

But hor...didnt you notice the station CAN accormodate a 6-car train?!! :colgate:

Originally posted by huaiwei

I have a feeling CCL stage 6 will never materialise...

Why not?

Even the plans of new stations at BFC are not convincing you that these stations are actually part of Circle Line Stage 6 stations that would eventually link to Millenia station which may branch out two lines?

Nobody imagine that there will be a line that would eventually connect the ends of Choa Chu Kang and Yishun when Woodlands was at infantry stage of growing into new town. This line has materialised to become Woodlands line.

Connecting to HarbourFront directly from Millenia is a huge potential of transporting commuters. The alignment of the final leg would probably stop at Tanjong Pagar from HarbourFront before reaching the site of BFC if LTA planners take notice of "missing" link. :cool:

Coz I checked the concept plan carefully, and its quite clear that the "CCL" thing is not really in the agenda at all.

Originally posted by huaiwei

AAHH!! Three carriages!! :bash: :D

But hor...didnt you notice the station CAN accormodate a 6-car train?!! :colgate:

Sorry to spolit your dream of having 6 cars. There is a thick wall that is already planned at the end of platform in the eastern edge of platform (in appB_D6-1.pdf). There are doors that allows staff to access to service rooms adjacent.

Furthermore there are 6 pillars on each side of platform - just exactly the same scenario of existing NEL stations where you have pillars on sides of the platform. In NEL platforms (vary from station to station), they have more pillars than in Serangoon Circle Line Station.

Originally posted by JediAlf

Why not?

Even the plans of new stations at BFC are not convincing you that these stations are actually part of Circle Line Stage 6 stations that would eventually link to Millenia station which may branch out two lines?For one, they cant be, because the train system required for the CCL and the NDT lines would be drastically different. I believe the NDT line will be more like a high-density LRT then a semi MRT.

And also, the alignment of the rail lines in the concept plan does not show how the two systems could be one and the same. The part of the line reaching up to NE2 looks like it is actually part of the one that goes up Balestier Road.

Originally posted by huaiwei

For one, they cant be, because the train system required for the CCL and the NDT lines would be drastically different. I believe the NDT line will be more like a high-density LRT then a semi MRT.

And also, the alignment of the rail lines in the concept plan does not show how the two systems could be one and the same. The part of the line reaching up to NE2 looks like it is actually part of the one that goes up Balestier Road.

Only LTA planners know the details because they are the one who draft the first concept of Marina line and then evolved it into Circle Line as what we knew now.

First it was announced that it was LRT type and suddenly there were changes in plans. They come up with medium type (3-cars trains). This shows how fast the planners can change the plans quickly and not following exactly the Concept Plan.

Originally, Kallang, Chinatown and Tanjong Pagar were singled out to be the links to Marina Line, But the planners changed the alignment and extended it to Paya Lebar.

So what we can do is to wait and see. :cool:

Yeah, and from what I see in the plans, they have amended the idea of CCL P6? :D

Well.....the simple reason why I didnt want to see CCL built with a 3-car system in mind is simply a lack of planning forsight....its ok if they have a 3 car train system now, but the stations should be built full size in case expansion is needed in future.

Originally posted by huaiwei

Well.....the simple reason why I didnt want to see CCL built with a 3-car system in mind is simply a lack of planning forsight....its ok if they have a 3 car train system now, but the stations should be built full size in case expansion is needed in future.

When Circle Line is in operation, LTA officers may answer the common questions why the Circle Line stations are smaller and get only 3 cars per train in articles in newspapers in future or even in publications.

They will give you surprising or incredible answers. :cool:

Well, LTA did give various surprises before, although some arent exactly considered pleasant. :D In general, I am actually not too pleased with how LTA does its planning sometimes...

Originally posted by kenmin

Millenia Station
http://www.wohhup.com/images/c825.jpg

Looks really cool! I think the design seems to mimic the base of Millenia Tower:cool:

Originally posted by huaiwei

AAHH!! Three carriages!! :bash: :D

But hor...didnt you notice the station CAN accormodate a 6-car train?!! :colgate: yar, it definitely looks like a plan for 6 cars. looks like they did take into account expansion in the future. Howver, must see the layout of Museum station to confirm. it just looks a bit short to me....:colgate:

Originally posted by huaiwei

For one, they cant be, because the train system required for the CCL and the NDT lines would be drastically different. I believe the NDT line will be more like a high-density LRT then a semi MRT.

And also, the alignment of the rail lines in the concept plan does not show how the two systems could be one and the same. The part of the line reaching up to NE2 looks like it is actually part of the one that goes up Balestier Road. u din check carefully enuf. :bash: there is a line that branch out fr the line u mentioned (should be part of Art Centre line) near KTM station and it goes to Tanjong Pagar station and then extend towards NDT. i have shown u the Tanjong Pagar extension. can be found in this thread or the BFC thread... :angel1:

but i also have reservation on CCL6. they will probably make ppl go to the NDT via NEL and Chinatown ext of MRL... they will only build it when there is a real need.

no matter what, they must build it. how can a circle line be known as circle line w/o a closed loop?:bash:

Originally posted by kenmin

yar, it definitely looks like a plan for 6 cars. looks like they did take into account expansion in the future. Howver, must see the layout of Museum station to confirm. it just looks a bit short to me....:colgate:

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_millenia_map.gif

Compared to the station above in this map (not exactly the specified location of station). You can see the outline of the proposed station is beneath the road. You also can see the walkway links to other buildings nearby.

So this does not mean that it would serve longer trains , nor the expansion of the station. The only crucial part is the platform below the concourse.

Looks of station can be deceiving. :cool:

Originally posted by kenmin

no matter what, they must build it. how can a circle line be known as circle line w/o a closed loop?:bash:

Exactly! :D

I will go and have a taste of wine if LTA finally announces the last leg of Circle Line Stage 6! I am 100% certain that they will build it.

B. Timah has alot of private landed houses.Lots of people.I doubt that 3-car trains would be enough.

Originally posted by redstone

B. Timah has alot of private landed houses.Lots of people.I doubt that 3-car trains would be enough.

Circle Line Stage 1, 2 are already in process of being constructed. Stage 3, 4 and 5 are in midst of beginning construction. All plans of Circle Line stations are already finalised and carried out.

First sets of 3-cars trains are expected to arrive in Singapore from France soon.

Only when the Circle Line is in operation, we will know if these are enough for traffic on medium type rail. I guess LTA officers calculate the traffic based on projected traffic on buses that ply along these routes that are closely aligned along the Circle Line.

Originally posted by JediAlf

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_millenia_map.gif

Compared to the station above in this map (not exactly the specified location of station). You can see the outline of the proposed station is beneath the road. You also can see the walkway links to other buildings nearby.

So this does not mean that it would serve longer trains , nor the expansion of the station. The only crucial part is the platform below the concourse.

Looks of station can be deceiving. :cool: :? i was referring to the platform plan of CCL Serangoon station.

Originally posted by redstone

B. Timah has alot of private landed houses.Lots of people.I doubt that 3-car trains would be enough. that would be BTL mar. this is CCL... :bash: :D

Originally posted by kenmin

yar, it definitely looks like a plan for 6 cars. looks like they did take into account expansion in the future. Howver, must see the layout of Museum station to confirm. it just looks a bit short to me....:colgate: Precisely what I suspect too. It just dosent make sense to build it small and having to keep it that way forever w.o spending tonnes of money later to expand it.

Originally posted by kenmin

u din check carefully enuf. :bash: there is a line that branch out fr the line u mentioned (should be part of Art Centre line) near KTM station and it goes to Tanjong Pagar station and then extend towards NDT. i have shown u the Tanjong Pagar extension. can be found in this thread or the BFC thread... :angel1:

but i also have reservation on CCL6. they will probably make ppl go to the NDT via NEL and Chinatown ext of MRL... they will only build it when there is a real need.

no matter what, they must build it. how can a circle line be known as circle line w/o a closed loop?:bash: ?? Why should a "circle" be a closed circle?? :? What would u call an "incomplete circle" then? :D

No matter wat, the routing in the concept plan clearly shows that the CCL is NOT going to end on itself. I will post a map of the plan soon to prove it!! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

?? Why should a "circle" be a closed circle?? :? What would u call an "incomplete circle" then? :D

No matter wat, the routing in the concept plan clearly shows that the CCL is NOT going to end on itself. I will post a map of the plan soon to prove it!! :D because the word circle will make ppl think of the line going round and round.

anyway, i will post the plan to disprove first...:D but how 2 add a pic to this forum??? :?

Originally posted by kenmin

because the word circle will make ppl think of the line going round and round.

anyway, i will post the plan to disprove first...:D but how 2 add a pic to this forum??? :? Based on your theory of a circle, the line should end at dhoby ghaut then! Tell me if that is the case?? :D

Er..just use the "IMG" codes loh!

(btw, this thread just hit 500, the maximum for a thread here. Maybe raffi might want to split this up, or close this and start Future MRT stations! #2. ;) )

ummm you would call it 'the incomplete circle line'. hahaha

previous thread here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1406759#post1406759

Originally posted by huaiwei

Based on your theory of a circle, the line should end at dhoby ghaut then! Tell me if that is the case?? :D

Er..just use the "IMG" codes loh!

(btw, this thread just hit 500, the maximum for a thread here. Maybe raffi might want to split this up, or close this and start Future MRT stations! #2. ;) )

nope. but they should make the part fr millenia to dhoby ghaut into a branch and let the rest run in circle. if that part is really extended to holland road and beyond, it could become a separate line and CCL becomes purely orbital.

i mean attaching image to this forum, not hyperlinking.

Then how would the trains run at the interchange in Millenia, provided the branch to dhoby ghaut stays? ;)

You cant attach images...u can only hyperlink. Just upload your pictures somewhere loh. :D

(Raffi...can u add a "signpost" at the end of the previous thread and the start of this page, and make this a "SOP"? Makes it much more better organised. :D )

Haha..I beat you to posting the map. Here goes:

http://img31.photobucket.com/albums/v94/huaiwei/Maps/Central_Rail.jpg

I highlighted the rail lines in Red. Please tell me where is CCL P6!! :colgate:

Originally posted by huaiwei

Haha..I beat you to posting the map. Here goes:

http://img31.photobucket.com/albums/v94/huaiwei/Maps/Central_Rail.jpg

I highlighted the rail lines in Red. Please tell me where is CCL P6!! :colgate: u see the branch at KTM station going to Tanjong Pagar station? it will carry on towards NDT. u look at the original carefully. the line is continuous. it doesn't terminate at Tanjong Pagar. :bash:

No...as far as my eyes see it, that NDT line goes on past Tanjong Pagar and onwards up Maxwell Road towards Clemanceau. ;)

Originally posted by huaiwei

Then how would the trains run at the interchange in Millenia, provided the branch to dhoby ghaut stays? ;)

You cant attach images...u can only hyperlink. Just upload your pictures somewhere loh. :D

(Raffi...can u add a "signpost" at the end of the previous thread and the start of this page, and make this a "SOP"? Makes it much more better organised. :D ) Millenia station would most likely be like Raffles city. 2 layer platform. that means 4 platforms altogether.the circle line could take 2 while Dhoby Ghaut branch take the other 2. actually 1 is enuf since it's the terminal. the other could be given to BTL if it terminates there.

But looking at the map, it seems like Millenia is serving one line besides CCL, while Nicoll is serving another line..the "Thomson" line?

Originally posted by huaiwei

No...as far as my eyes see it, that NDT line goes on past Tanjong Pagar and onwards up Maxwell Road towards Clemanceau. ;) yup. this line exist. but that doesn't mean the other line does not exist. what makes u think that the branch only terminates at tanjong pagar? in fact, they run // along maxwell road and CCL6 makes a turn near Marina Bay station while the other line turn near the new cruise centre.

Originally posted by huaiwei

But looking at the map, it seems like Millenia is serving one line besides CCL, while Nicoll is serving another line..the "Thomson" line? ur point being?

Originally posted by kenmin

yup. this line exist. but that doesn't mean the other line does not exist. what makes u think that the branch only terminates at tanjong pagar? in fact, they run // along maxwell road and CCL6 makes a turn near Marina Bay station while the other line turn near the new cruise centre. Wakao...why have two lines running // like that?? Just because they want to "complete" the circle? ;)

Originally posted by kenmin

ur point being? Meaning the earlier theory that nicoll highway and millenia are going to function like the raffless place-city hall combination might be proven inaccurate?

Originally posted by huaiwei

Wakao...why have two lines running // like that?? Just because they want to "complete" the circle? ;) what's wrong? NSL and EWL are also // fr Raffles Place to City Hall.

in fact, they could share the tracks along these // portion.

Originally posted by kenmin

what's wrong? NSL and EWL are also // fr Raffles Place to City Hall.

in fact, they could share the tracks along these // portion. Yahor...(for the first line)

But no loh...share tracks your head lah!! We dont want to risk a major catastrophy here!! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Meaning the earlier theory that nicoll highway and millenia are going to function like the raffless place-city hall combination might be proven inaccurate? yup. i also have doubts about that in the first place. but it's true they r stacked.. maybe they r preparing for easier transfer in the future for CCL and Thomson line at Nicoll Highway and CCL and Holland Line at Millenia. :?

as for BTL, most likely they would build a new station if it is going to carry on into Marina East. if not, could just terminate at the current Millenia station.

Originally posted by huaiwei

Yahor...(for the first line)

But no loh...share tracks your head lah!! We dont want to risk a major catastrophy here!! :D if they wanna save $$ on construction. sharing a small portion in the middle of the route really needs lotsa coordination. maybe it's really a bad idea... :tongue2:

Im still wondering how you guys manage to discover that the line is stacked in that area! ;)

And basically I am quite convinced nicoll will be a major interchange, since its station box is much bigger then normal, and is comparable with millenia.

Originally posted by kenmin

if they wanna save $$ on construction. sharing a small portion in the middle of the route really needs lotsa coordination. maybe it's really a bad idea... :tongue2: Er...I dont think that amount of money saved is going to justify the risks invovled! :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

Im still wondering how you guys manage to discover that the line is stacked in that area! ;)

And basically I am quite convinced nicoll will be a major interchange, since its station box is much bigger then normal, and is comparable with millenia. actually it was hearsay at first. if u take a look at master plan 2003, u will see that the track between Millenia and Nicoll Highway is represented by a single line! impossible that they only have 1 track rite? so they only plausible explanation would be 1 is on top of the other.

Originally posted by kenmin

actually it was hearsay at first. if u take a look at master plan 2003, u will see that the track between Millenia and Nicoll Highway is represented by a single line! impossible that they only have 1 track rite? so they only plausible explanation would be 1 is on top of the other. Er...but why would it not make sense for the section between the two stations to be one line? Maybe u can explain in terms of where the lines are supposed to go....

Originally posted by huaiwei

Er...but why would it not make sense for the section between the two stations to be one line? Maybe u can explain in terms of where the lines are supposed to go.... i was saying impossible to have only 1 track. if so, there will be congestion there rite? those going north and south all gotta make use of it.

Originally posted by kenmin

i was saying impossible to have only 1 track. if so, there will be congestion there rite? those going north and south all gotta make use of it. I dont get you. Obviously each line will have two tracks for each direction. Wats so big deal then?

Originally posted by huaiwei

I dont get you. Obviously each line will have two tracks for each direction. Wats so big deal then? 1 line on the master plan actually represents 1 track. u will understand if u take a look at the master plan.

Originally posted by kenmin

1 line on the master plan actually represents 1 track. u will understand if u take a look at the master plan. Aiyoh...who dosent noe that?!?! :bash:

What I am asking is why some of you believe there will be FOUR tracks between the two stations!!

Originally posted by huaiwei

Aiyoh...who dosent noe that?!?! :bash:

What I am asking is why some of you believe there will be FOUR tracks between the two stations!! :bash: alamak. ur question earlier was just asking how i know they were stacked ..

anyway, i already said i doubt there will b 4 tracks between these 2 stations. i suppose the rumour started because of the current stacked tunnels. some1 must have speculated that there will be another stacked tunnel between these 2 stations. :?

fr the beginning, i already said this has not been confirmed mar.

Aiyah....because someone (cant remember who) earlier said the two stations will be functioning like the RP-CH pair...so obviously that wil mean 4 tracks rite? And he claims it is so because the tracks are stacked? :?

Originally posted by huaiwei

Aiyah....because someone (cant remember who) earlier said the two stations will be functioning like the RP-CH pair...so obviously that wil mean 4 tracks rite? And he claims it is so because the tracks are stacked? :? me lar. :bash: but i oredi said it's just rumours... in the end, i only confirmed the part about the stacked tunnels...

Originally posted by kenmin

me lar. :bash: but i oredi said it's just rumours... in the end, i only confirmed the part about the stacked tunnels... And I was actually asking how you know about the stacked tunnels! :bash: :D

Originally posted by huaiwei

And I was actually asking how you know about the stacked tunnels! :bash: :D i thought i just explained? fr the master plan... :?

anyway, i just confirmed that the tunnels r stacked. i din say anything about 2 sets of stacked tunnels, if this is causing the confusion.:D

Originally posted by kenmin

:? i was referring to the platform plan of CCL Serangoon station.

If you zoom in the platform plan of Serangoon Circle Line station, you would be able to figure there are three boxes that are respresent 3-car train.

You also should be able to notice there are escalators at the platform edge in eastern direction. This is where the platform ends.

Adjacent to the visible platform is the divided sections which are obviously for civil defence emergency exits or technical rooms for electrical stuffs.

So there are no visible signs of extension or even serve longer trains.

Originally posted by kenmin

i thought i just explained? fr the master plan... :?

anyway, i just confirmed that the tunnels r stacked. i din say anything about 2 sets of stacked tunnels, if this is causing the confusion.:D

Relaxed, Kenmin and Huaiwei.

Yes Kenmin is right to say that Millenia has line branch out. It is the most obvious because few new stations are singled out in Marina Bay site. Of course these stations won't be constructed quickly.

Only when skyscrapers get materialized over the years, these stations would be eventually built and connected to Millenia. This is our prediction.

But it is pointless to speculate whether it is stacked tunnels at Millenia or not.

Among us, the only engineers and LTA planners at this site have the blueprints of Millenia and floor plan of Millenia station. So we have to ask them. :cool:

I am prepared to bet that there is actually a plan for Circle Line Stage 6. I am very certain about this.