What happened to all the votes for BOC and Guangzhou IFC?

a graet justice happened

What happened to all the votes for BOC and Guangzhou IFC?

Previously posted:

I just did an extensive research on the voting and found a large number of votes cast by accounts which were all registered around the same time, all have 0 posts to their names and only voted for the one on one on the days of the semies. They are all registered with the same IP ranges and email domains. User name all have the same structure. Those are all clear signs someone or a group of people abused accounts just to rig a vote. I deleted all these votes and did a recount.

If someone thinks their vote got deleted, please send me a PM.

That resulted in the following end result for the quarter finals:

Burj Khalifa: was 879, after recount: 879
Willis Tower: was 791, after recount: 482

Chrysler Building: was 640, after recount: 631
Bank of China Tower: was 770, after recount: 442

Two IFC: was 444 , after recount: 314
Petronas Towers: was 935, after recount: 749

Guangzhou IFC: was 828, after recount: 390
Empire State Building: was 763, after recount: 761

That means that the semi finals will be Burj Khalifa vs Chrysler Building, and Petronas Towers vs. Empire State Building.

These will start Monday. From now on, only registered members with at least 5 posts to their name get to vote.

Cheers,

Wow, Chrysler is beating the BK, I dont think is gonna last too much, Chrysler is an amazing building, a piece of art, But the BK is just at another level from that, +800 meters is a lot, also I think the Chrysler building photo is not good.

The BK is just a big concrete slab, with glass on it. when you look at it, there isn't really any great details on it at all

woooo go chrystler :3 if it wins this i think it can beat petronas

hahaha :ohno:

Go bk!

Burj khalifa is a man made marvelous..chrysler is good,but im getting bored with that style..not inspiring and the fascade is just ugly and doesnt have chemistry with that hideous
aluminium foil crown..

^^People say its a real shame that too many votes are based on height, i say the opposite, its a real shame that way too many people disregard the difference in size. You people might as well go cherish some 5 stories art-decos.Five stories won't do. What's important is the tower form - the elegant vertical proportions - not total height. Taipei 101 is a perfect example of a tower that is very tall but with zero architectural merit. Turning Torso is a tower of 191m that is one of the finest ever built, anywhere. TT is better architecture than almost every tower in this competition.IMHO it looks rather tired comparing to the new glassy skyscrapers. Dont really see how 'elegant' really fits in as many people have described it..But far too often the glass on modern towers is a dull green-grey under most light conditions. They look dark and oppressive. I think in 20 years time we'll look back on much of what we're building today in the same way as we look back on decayed concrete buildings from the 60s.

^^ Dam mate, you are tough on words. However, I'm starting to think that you see things from a West (english/america) perspective.

Why does Taipei101 lack architectural merit?
Do you know what it is supposed to represent? Of all the 'Chinese' buildings, Taipei 101 along with Jin Mao show history yet are modern. You shouldn't have messed with these two towers since it now makes you look extremely ignorant. You may not 'see' the design, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist!!!!

I think a handful of towers from this era (1990-2010) will remain classics and age gracefully, others will just be forgotten. Most of the modern towers, if built outside of the 'west' will never been discovered and will remain forever dormant in countries like Australia and the US. I'm not too pleased with the way tower designs are heading in the future. Almost all cities around the world are construction similar styled, munted styled buildings. Not many towers seem to carry the detailed 'Petronas' effect anymore. Many towers in China look repetitive and lack their culture.

A lot of the modern towers are moving away from the darker shades of glass and moving towards the light gray or clear glass

Dam mate, you are tough on words. However, I'm starting to think that you see things from a West (english/america) perspective.But haven't I expressed admiration for Turning Torso, Bank of China, and SWFC? (None of which are in Britain or America.) Yes, I think Taipei 101's horrible. I don't much like the Sears Tower either. There are ugly towers in all parts of the world.Why does Taipei101 lack architectural merit?The hideous green glass, the gold medallion, etc. It's just utterly vile.Do you know what it is supposed to represent? Of all the 'Chinese' buildings, Taipei 101 along with Jin Mao show history yet are modern. You shouldn't have messed with these two towers since it now makes you look extremely ignorant. You may not 'see' the design, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist!!!!Actually I never mentioned Jin Mao, and, for, what its worth, I rather like it. However it's no match for the SWFC.A lot of the modern towers are moving away from the darker shades of glass and moving towards the light gray or clear glassOnly a handful. Most new towers look a dingy dull grey-green.

Taipei 101 design catches my eye, more than any other building on this planet. It's my favorite building.

funny how so many people say buildings like esb are "old and tired" but buidlings built today are "futuristic". How can something be resemblant of the future when it was built in the recent past? im sure that in 50 years, people will look back on these "futuristic" buildings that are built today and view them with the same disdain people today view the 60's-70's buildings.

Will they seem to hate the buildings from the 30's more. But let somebody tear one down, to build a new skyscraper. And they'll cry, Wondering why nobody tried to save it.

Five stories won't do. What's important is the tower form - the elegant vertical proportions - not total height. Taipei 101 is a perfect example of a tower that is very tall but with zero architectural merit. Turning Torso is a tower of 191m that is one of the finest ever built, anywhere. TT is better architecture than almost every tower in this competition.But far too often the glass on modern towers is a dull green-grey under most light conditions. They look dark and oppressive. I think in 20 years time we'll look back on much of what we're building today in the same way as we look back on decayed concrete buildings from the 60s.

A five story art deco that has the same vertical proportion as the Chrysler. Your views are way too extreme.

A five story art deco that has the same vertical proportion as the Chrysler. Your views are way too extreme.

How is that extreme? You bringing a five story building into was stupid in the first place as we are talking about supertalls.

I admire the Chrysler Building, but this time I'll go with BK. Both are impressive structures, but unfortunately I can't vote for both.

How is that extreme? You bringing a five story building into was stupid in the first place as we are talking about supertalls.



Taipei 101 has zero architectural merit is not extreme? Right.

And i was just making a joke upon 'its the design that matters not height'...

^^^^

Well it's his opinion. It may be the polar opposite of yours, but that doesn't make it extreme.

Yeah, I saw your point, but design is the most important thing. Height, yes, it's a part of it, but it shouldn't have that much influence. I would say maybe 1/5 would be more than sufficient for height.

i never liked taipei 101 because it had such a unique design, just not used to a design like that. but then i wrote an essay about the building and now i love it haha

The Burj Khalifa is mankind's greatest engineering and architectural achievement to date and deserves to win. The Chrystler, although a worthy opponent, has had it's day and is now looking old, tired and outdated, though its timeless design will help it stand out for many years to come.

No contest if you ask me - the Burj wins hands down. :cheers:

^^^^

Well it's his opinion. It may be the polar opposite of yours, but that doesn't make it extreme.

Yeah, I saw your point, but design is the most important thing. Height, yes, it's a part of it, but it shouldn't have that much influence. I would say maybe 1/5 would be more than sufficient for height.

I dislike T101 myself but i dont think anyone has grounds to disapprove a building in such a manner. Gotta at least appreciate the effort architects put into the building.

^^^^

I don't think anyone has 'gotta' appreciate anything. I do take your point though, to say it has no merit at all is quite unfair, but if that's his opinion, well that's that.

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Well it's his opinion. It may be the polar opposite of yours, but that doesn't make it extreme.

Yeah, I saw your point, but design is the most important thing. Height, yes, it's a part of it, but it shouldn't have that much influence. I would say maybe 1/5 would be more than sufficient for height.

Not extreme? He completely ignores the details of the building. He doesn't see it!!!! Its not just about views and whether 'i like it or not' in this case since the design clearly came from bamboo shoots. He might not like it, thats fine, but no merit is completely ignoring what exists.

^^^^

I don't think anyone has 'gotta' appreciate anything. I do take your point though, to say it has no merit at all is quite unfair, but if that's his opinion, well that's that.

You probably wouldn't of said the same if Taipei 101 was replaced with ESB or Chrysler + same as above


But haven't I expressed admiration for Turning Torso, Bank of China, and SWFC? (None of which are in Britain or America.) Yes, I think Taipei 101's horrible. I don't much like the Sears Tower either. There are ugly towers in all parts of the world.The hideous green glass, the gold medallion, etc. It's just utterly vile.Actually I never mentioned Jin Mao, and, for, what its worth, I rather like it. However it's no match for the SWFC.Only a handful. Most new towers look a dingy dull grey-green.

With Jin mao and SWFC, and i wouldn't say that SWFC completely outdoes Jin Mao. Jin Mao has a lot of things that SWFC doesn't have, the detail, the cultural influence, historical significance etc

You probably wouldn't of said the same if Taipei 101 was replaced with ESB or Chrysler + same as above


I dunno, I would hope that I would say the same, but I may have said different in the past.

BK is the greatest building that ever build but CB, ESB and PETRONAS is the best in their's era

I'm looking forward to the 70s cup. :banana::banana::banana:

I admire the Chrysler Building, but this time I'll go with BK. Both are impressive structures, but unfortunately I can't vote for both.

Yeah me too. Just to bad some of us are a bit too sentimental to chose the one that really deserves (even though both towers are great) to win this one.

Every one hav their own opinion...

Yeah me too. Just to bad some of us are a bit too sentimental to chose the one that really deserves (even though both towers are great) to win this one.

Dude, how many times? I don't like the Burj much. You do. That's cool. Stop telling us we are only voting Chrysler due to sentimentality. I guess though I've probably fought fire with fire and said most are only voting for the Burj due to being in awe of it's height, so I haven't any leg to stand on.

It wasn't directly to you. But yeah you look like one of those voting out of sentimentality. No offence intended. It's just the impression I have.

It wasn't directly to you. But yeah you look like one of those voting out of sentimentality. No offence intended. It's just the impression I have.

I know, but I wanted to comment anyway, and I dare say you don't know what I look like. :nuts:

BK is a man craziest achivement,it should be in final,chysler is nothing more then brick building with shining head

I know, but I wanted to comment anyway, and I dare say you don't know what I look like. :nuts:

i think you like 70old men who has work in that building 30years ago

^^tallest doesnt mean the best.. so many ignorance in one comment lol ...

BK is the greatest building that ever build but CB, ESB and PETRONAS is the best in their's era

LOL, ist just a tall spike in a desert.. whats so "greatest" about that ?
because its the tallest ? RIGHT

^^tallest doesnt mean the best.. so many ignorance in one comment lol ...

it not just tall,its hightech+modern art+beutiful park&lake+tallest+its very history mark.while chysler is oldskul+old art+in compact area with trafficjam,dark alley+not SO tall+its just famous in S&N america

OL, ist just a tall spike in a desert.. RIGHT

its a paradise in the middle of desert.a beautiful oAsis,palm tree,serene,water feature,mall,magical fountain,green grass,traditional village,large square with a silverglassy spire in the middle of that, an impressive development,-vs-small street,crowded walkway,smokey alley,old brick building,gotham city like..is that u call impressive?hahha

it not just tall,its hightech+modern art+beutiful park&lake+tallest+its very history mark.while chysler is oldskul+old art+in compact area with trafficjam,dark alley+not SO tall+its just famous in S&N americaIts not just famous in America. talk to any European who knows anything about architecture and skyscrapers, i guarantee you he/she will know about it

i think you like 70old men who has work in that building 30years ago

I was born only 20 years ago. You are bit rude aren't you? Someone disagrees, quick, insult them, assume lies about them, make wild accusations.

Dude, to each their own.


Its not just famous in America. talk to any European who knows anything about architecture and skyscrapers, i guarantee you he/she will know about it

He's just blinded by his own opinion. Of course people all over the world know the Chrysler Building, far much more so that the Burj, simply by virtue of having been around far far longer.

I was born only 20 years ago. You are bit rude aren't you? Someone disagrees, quick, insult them, assume lies about them, make wild accusations.

Dude, to each their own.

im just kidding man..do be so sensitive..sorry:)

I voted for the Chrysler Building, more history, more character, better location.

its a paradise in the middle of desert.a beautiful oAsis,palm tree,serene,water feature,mall,magical fountain,green grass,traditional village,large square with a silverglassy spire in the middle of that, an impressive development,-vs-small street,crowded walkway,smokey alley,old brick building,gotham city like..is that u call impressive?hahha

an oasis ? most waterways/"lakes" you see are manmade. that not what I call "oasis".
palm trees? ooh wow im really impressed.
"magical fountain" sorry cant stop laughing :lol:
green grass? ooh wow im really more impressed! my goodness, green grass ? shocking!
serene ?Lol. sand and sand wow..

^^^^

I don't think there is even much grass in Dubai, and I think they've pretty much destroyed anything which could be called 'traditional'.

BK for me, wasn't really a hard choice as I'm not a fan of Chrysler, but I can understand why others voted for it. Still, I'd be pretty upset if BK lost to Chrysler..

its man made,yeah..its make it more impressive,whole big apple is manmade also,so its not funny.i think the fountain is the best ever, no one can beat it
i mean the complex area is better the chysler,its more greener and serene thenCB..i know dubai is a city in desert,but they manage to make it so green and yet futuristic..while chysler?

^^its about the building not location.
and even then the location of the Chrysler is IMO better, NY has at least urbanity and density, and yes more class instead of kitsch like dubai. and stop whining like a dubai-lover.

its a paradise in the middle of desert.a beautiful oAsis,palm tree,serene,water feature,mall,magical fountain,green grass,traditional village,large square with a silverglassy spire in the middle of that, an impressive development,-vs-small street,crowded walkway,smokey alley,old brick building,gotham city like..is that u call impressive?hahha

Yeah NYC is Gotham. There hardly any traffic. There's no smoking in public areas. And the street are never crowded because people have place to go.

I don't have any problem with Dubai.

^^its about the building not location.
and even then the location of the Chrysler is IMO better, NY has at least urbanity and density, and yes more class instead of kitsch like dubai. and stop whining like a dubai-lover.

u are the one who started mention about location...remember?haha.

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Both towers are in right location, the Chrysler in the dessert would be completely out of place. And the Burj needs some space to really stand out.

This is also why I like the location aspect of the Chrysler building better, it got that special something that makes it stand out in the urban jungle. It doesn't need to stand on it's own to shine.

the surrounding is important to building its give a wow factor to skyline,a good building must be in good surrounding


http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/1631831274.jpgvshttp://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/93c8abe3-be6b-4f45-903c-eafacbb69db8.jpg

We got trees too http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxoLYu0MVx3ENjrp4wXL249EyPqc5KCADUUA18za8QnaqnNWmi


Palm tree too, just in case you were wondering lol http://www.andykazie.com/Portfolio/Stock-Photos/CityPalms/1184664049_bEiDw-L.jpg

^^you dont need to give the trees water.. in dubai it dries out..

guy4versa4 gosh ur annoying.. -.-'
and stop this ridiculous conversation.

^^you dont need to give the trees water.. in dubai it dries out..

guy4versa4 gosh ur annoying.. -.-'
and stop this ridiculous conversation.

u annoying,u start conversation about location first,and then you say it not about location,,think yourself..:)

Well..remember this the Chrysler B. is almost 80 years older than the BK..show some important skyscraper in Dubai in 1930.

^^^^ Or rather, I wonder if any of the Dubai skyscrapers are gonna be important in 2090...

Bare in mind, I just said 'I wonder', no one can have any idea about any aspect of the world 80 years from now.

:cheers:

Its not just famous in America. talk to any European who knows anything about architecture and skyscrapers, i guarantee you he/she will know about it

so true, Chrysler is my favorit tower ever, I think it have chances to win even with Empire State.

Burj kalifa

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omg wtf lol, Chrysler was very avant-garde for its age, I voted for it vs BoC, but I'm honestly quite perplexed at how it's beating the Burj atm.

In my opinion, nothing under 550m even has a chance of beating Burj because the height differential is simply too large. Totally don't understand why so many people hate on the Burj; how can anyone deny that it is a very unique piece of architecture?

I acknowledge that different people have different tastes, but this is skyscrapercity after all, and an integral component to any skyscraper is its height (hence the derivation of the name).

^^^^ Or rather, I wonder if any of the Dubai skyscrapers are gonna be important in 2090...

Bare in mind, I just said 'I wonder', no one can have any idea about any aspect of the world 80 years from now.

And will Chrysler, or any skyscraper around today be important 80 years from now? I doubt it. We'll have so many more by then...
Well..remember this the Chrysler B. is almost 80 years older than the BK..show some important skyscraper in Dubai in 1930.
almost 80 years old, your point?:? The age of a skyscraper shouldn't be a deciding factor.

If people voted based on height, there wouldn't be any point in the contest. We know which buildings are taller than others. It's a factor of course, but it's not the deciding factor for everyone.

;80855400']omg wtf lol, Chrysler was very avant-garde for its age, I voted for it vs BoC, but I'm honestly quite perplexed at how it's beating the Burj atm.

In my opinion, nothing under 550m even has a chance of beating Burj because the height differential is simply too large. Totally don't understand why so many people hate on the Burj; how can anyone deny that it is a very unique piece of architecture?

I acknowledge that different people have different tastes, but this is skyscrapercity after all, and an integral component to any skyscraper is its height (hence the derivation of the name).

I voted for it against BoC too but I regret it.:lol:

There are no factors that should or shouldn't be considered here; it's a popularity contest. And so far, Chrysler is proving to be the most popular.

Most of you would be immediately laughed out of any serious discussion of architecture in real life, so be glad there are no objective criteria required for this contest.

we must look at all aspects before making a choice

Petronas all d way:)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6049/5895036846_66409c7dab_b.jpg

^^That pictures is so horribly photoshopped look at the crown! Look as if it was over exposed and then some out darkened to a greyish color..

;80855400']omg wtf lol, Chrysler was very avant-garde for its age, I voted for it vs BoC, but I'm honestly quite perplexed at how it's beating the Burj atm.

In my opinion, nothing under 550m even has a chance of beating Burj because the height differential is simply too large. Totally don't understand why so many people hate on the Burj; how can anyone deny that it is a very unique piece of architecture?

I acknowledge that different people have different tastes, but this is skyscrapercity after all, and an integral component to any skyscraper is its height (hence the derivation of the name).

Totally agree -_- the size difference between the Burj and Chrysler in this case just outweighs all other factors.. at least i guess on this forum.

this one?
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/4503597469_e924560f72_o.jpg

+ this one. no photoshopped:)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3269/3287417984_102abb72ca_b.jpg

petronas is symbol of asia,its architecture inspiring from islamic geometry+japanese pagoda+india tample+88floor from chinese lucky number.a gateway to asia

i was hoping for bank of china VS. Chrysler building.. at least i got one!

Anyone know how long will the voting go on for?

petronas is symbol of asia,its architecture inspiring from islamic geometry+japanese pagoda+india tample+88floor from chinese lucky number.a gateway to asia

agree with u..vote Petronas :rock:

Chrysler all the way! Completed in 1930 and we are still talking about it, what what what? BK is a trend easily eclipsed by a taller and bigger building that will be built and completed tomorrow.

Gotta love the battle of the architectural titans =D

we are still talking about it,

only american@europe talking about it,we in asia even know much about this tower.i only know this tower after watching project runway when they design dress inspired from this building

only american@europe talking about it,we in asia even know much about this tower.i only know this tower after watching project runway when they design dress inspired from this building



Why would you when Asia got into the iconic skyscraper bandwagon only during the past 20- 25 years?

And will Chrysler, or any skyscraper around today be important 80 years from now? I doubt it. We'll have so many more by then...

almost 80 years old, your point?:? The age of a skyscraper shouldn't be a deciding factor.

Again, we can't know about the future. My point was that the Chrysler is still an icon 80 years after it was built. It may not be an icon in 80 more years, but I don't know that the Burj will be either.

Anyone know how long will the voting go on for?

Well the World Wonders is starting on the 7th, so that makes me think there's only 1 day for each of these votes, but I'm not sure as the first semi is still going.

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you decide yourself

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That makes it even easier to choose the deco marvels. I just don't find the particular glass cladding on those towers to be that great. there are modern towers with far nicer cladding.

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/Untitled-3.jpg
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/Untitled-2.jpg
you decide yourself

That helping a lot,it show the development of human technology in building supertall.. year by year passing,so on with the building,esb and chrysler is good but revolution show the human intelligent.i dont hate america building,beside,there are more beauty american building other esb and chrysler such as wtc,2wtc,trump tower chicago, and many more.thanks
banglong1..petronas and burj khalifa all the way!

+ this one. no photoshopped:)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3269/3287417984_102abb72ca_b.jpg

This twin was amazing!OMG!when they lit up this twin,it look very powerfull and it show the meaning of best supertall without need to explain the philosophy bla bla bla whatsoever like esb..

Forget I said anything.

we need to accept the fact that petronas twin tower is very GLOW in the night!
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/4068895207_b1362faefa.jpg
image by papafrezzo

To be sincere with everybody here, I don't like the cross bridge in Petronas Twin Towers.

^^^^

If I'm being sincere, I think I'd like one Petronas Tower far more than the pair as they stand.

for me its:

Petronas
Burj
ESB
Chrysler

for the last 4 chrysler is the only one surprising to be there for me though. like CoC i never thought it would be so much liked. and it winning against burj seems like a joke for me, but well at least my two currently favorite buildings are still in the contest :lol:
^^^^

If I'm being sincere, I think I'd like one Petronas Tower far more than the pair as they stand.

then i bet you like jin mao ;)

^^^^

That makes it even easier to choose the deco marvels. I just don't find the particular glass cladding on those towers to be that great. there are modern towers with far nicer cladding.


Burj has one of the best cladding out there.. maybe not true for patrona, but patrona is stunning during night time!

This twin was amazing!OMG!when they lit up this twin,it look very powerfull and it show the meaning of best supertall without need to explain the philosophy bla bla bla whatsoever like esb..

Yup, its lit up this way every nite...See it in person, when u stand beneath it between the two towers, you will see how beautiful it is...

then i bet you like jin mao ;)

It's fairly nice. Nicer than the SWFC for me, but a single Petronas would do it for me more then Jin Mao.

Burj has one of the best cladding out there.. maybe not true for patrona, but patrona is stunning during night time!

Well I disagree. I'd prefer a little more transparency, and maybe some variation in the colour. It just seems too flat and uniform for me. Petronas is pretty damn nice looking at night though yeah.

Yup, its lit up this way every nite...See it in person, when u stand beneath it between the two towers, you will see how beautiful it is...

i agree, also when you take a ride up genting, you are on the mountain looking down on the city and still see the two towers from kilometers away. its so beautiful.

The Supertalls World Cup may have a small flaw.... During the set up, it should have been ensured that two towers from the same city/country could not end up in the final. How is that representative of the whole culture of SSC?

I seriously cannot get over how petty people are being in the BK vs Chrysler vote. It's not even a contest. BK is the greatest structure ever built by man. Full stop!

The Supertalls World Cup may have a small flaw.... During the set up, it should have been ensured that two towers from the same city/country could not end up in the final. How is that representative of the whole culture of SSC?

I seriously cannot get over how petty people are being in the BK vs Chrysler vote. It's not even a contest. BK is the greatest structure ever built by man. Full stop!

You surely mean greatest skyscraper ever built. In the scientific world there are far greater structures to behold. ;) And don't get me wrong here, I voted for the BK.

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The Supertalls World Cup may have a small flaw.... During the set up, it should have been ensured that two towers from the same city/country could not end up in the final. How is that representative of the whole culture of SSC?

I seriously cannot get over how petty people are being in the BK vs Chrysler vote. It's not even a contest. BK is the greatest structure ever built by man. Full stop!

YES!100% agree with you!bk is superior than chrysler..this clearly show majority of the voters are among americans..dont take it wrong,i love america building and american,but there are plenty better building outside america..sorry..

vote petronas

i couldn't agree more. i strongly believe that the only reason the burj khalifa made it this far is simply because it is the tallest in the world.

You surely mean greatest skyscraper ever built. In the scientific world there are far greater structures to behold. ;) And don't get me wrong here, I voted for the BK.

I meant the greatest ever engineering feat by mankind :cheers:

I seriously cannot get over how petty people are being in the BK vs Chrysler vote. It's not even a contest. BK is the greatest structure ever built by man. Full stop!

Well, "BK is the greatest structure ever built by man" for now, in the future, SA may come out will taller building :). BTW, for the BK vs CB result, just get over it. The result will not be the same if it were organize in dubai forum or so on. Ppl from different country appreciate different building, I guess most of the voter in the forum are particular fond at CB or ESB for thousand of reason. That is their choice. And this is an english forum afterall and most voter are from a particular country, just do not expect alot of ppl share the same taste with you :lol:

YES!100% agree with you!bk is superior than chrysler..this clearly show majority of the voters are among americans..
Yes that is why the burj won against the Sears Tower and this Building in Santiago

The choice is hard. Pre-war American art deco vs modern dynamic Eastern tigers...

Well, "BK is the greatest structure ever built by man" for now

That's why we are voting in the present, not the past, or not day after tomorrow.

The result will not be the same if it were organize in dubai forum or so on. And this is an english forum afterall and most voter are from a particular country

^^ And if that is the case, then I will be really disappointed. :ohno:

Chrysler and the Empire state are by far my favorite existing Skyscrapers in the world, would be proud to see them both in the final :bow:.
The BK doesn't tell me anything, it's just the tallest building in the world and nothing else, wouldn't have been less impressing if it was half the height or twice the size.

I meant the greatest ever engineering feat by mankind :cheers:

I disagree. While it is the tallest structure, it wasn't the one presenting the greatest challenges at the time of its construction. No new vastly improved technique was used in the BK, only "more of the same" in relate to other 300-500m buildings. It doesn't even have special anti-seismic features.

I think excavating long tunnels lithe the Gotthard Base Tunnel are much more of challenge that pushes civil engineering forward. Or massive land reclamation projects like Osaka Airport.

^^ And if that is the case, then I will be really disappointed. :ohno:



NO, there is no reason to be disappointed. The result of this competition does not mean a single thing to BK or any other building.., BK will still catch alot of ppl attention and so on. And the most important thing..., Contemporary or future supertall will still be evolve and will not looked back to the past!!! :banana:

I personally voted Chrysler over BD and Petronas over ESB to preserve diversity.

I disagree. While it is the tallest structure, it wasn't the one presenting the greatest challenges at the time of its construction. No new vastly improved technique was used in the BK, only "more of the same" in relate to other 300-500m buildings. It doesn't even have special anti-seismic features.

I think excavating long tunnels lithe the Gotthard Base Tunnel are much more of challenge that pushes civil engineering forward. Or massive land reclamation projects like Osaka Airport.

1) Titatium braces were used in the foundations to support the beast - first time that has ever been done

2) Anti seismic features? What did you want? A weight at the top? Technology has moved on and towers sway now. Besides, the UAE is in a seismically quiet neighbourhood

3) Land reclaimation and tunnels are feats, but they are not buildings/towers, which is what this contest is about.

Calling the BK the "greatest engineering achievement of all time" is utterly ridiculous. Skyscrapers matured technologically nearly a century ago. They're just concrete and steel towers with lifts, floors, and windows attached. Mankind was already capable of building 100+ storey skyscrapers back in 1931. They actually built the ESB faster than modern towers, at one floor per day!

If you want cutting edge engineering, then look at microchips, nanotech, biotech, the arms industry, etc.

Even if the only things you admire are large scale civil engineering projects, there's no getting away from the fact that the largest bridges, tunnels, damns, roads, railways, oil platforms (etc), are vastly bigger in terms of cost and material, and much more challenging in terms of engineering.

Even if you confine the discussion to buildings, you'll find that airport terminals (to take but one example) are larger, more expensive, and more technologically sophisticated.

The Supertalls World Cup may have a small flaw.... During the set up, it should have been ensured that two towers from the same city/country could not end up in the final. How is that representative of the whole culture of SSC?I wouldn't be against this, but if the jurors (voters) are in fact being honest in their comparisons then it shouldn't matter in which community/city/country the final 2, 4 or 8 structures reside, should it? I'm from the US but can think of 4 towers from China that could be deserving of claiming all final four spots if that's how the masses voted.

I seriously cannot get over how petty people are being in the BK vs Chrysler vote.Agreed. Maybe that wouldn't be the case if people would refrain from presumptive comments like:
It's not even a contest. BK is the greatest structure ever built by man. Full stop!

Seriously, BK is a tremendous feat and I could understand why it might win this popularity contest (despite my voting against it two rounds in a row now), but such absolutist commentary is EXACTLY why this vote has been petty, contentious and childish. If that's how you feel, good for you and move on, but respect that others feel differently or we'll all end up grumpy in the end no matter which structure wins.

I wouldn't be against this, but if the jurors (voters) are in fact being honest in their comparisons then it shouldn't matter in which community/city/country the final 2, 4 or 8 structures reside, should it?

That's the problem, I don't think they are :ohno:

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Yes, but it's been everyone that's done that. YOU would like to think it's just Americans, or rather those who have voted for the ESB of Chrysler. In the past, I've moaned about all the CoC and GIFC voters doing it solely due to country.

I think at this point, we all need to accept that there's been a bit of this from every country for every tower. It's stupid to deny it.

Calling the BK the "greatest engineering achievement of all time" is utterly ridiculous. Skyscrapers matured technologically nearly a century ago. They're just concrete and steel towers with lifts, floors, and windows attached. Mankind was already capable of building 100+ storey skyscrapers back in 1931. They actually built the ESB faster than modern towers, at one floor per day!

If you want cutting edge engineering, then look at microchips, nanotech, biotech, the arms industry, etc.

Even if the only things you admire are large scale civil engineering projects, there's no getting away from the fact that the largest bridges, tunnels, damns, roads, railways, oil platforms (etc), are vastly bigger in terms of cost and material, and much more challenging in terms of engineering.

Even if you confine the discussion to buildings, you'll find that airport terminals (to take but one example) are larger, more expensive, and more technologically sophisticated.

we are talking about skyscraper..not other things like microchip,road,damn,railway.airport terminal..what is the point compairing that thing with supertall when you are in supertall forum..

1) Titatium braces were used in the foundations to support the beast - first time that has ever been done

2) Anti seismic features? What did you want? A wight at the top? Technology has moved on and towers sway now. Besides, the UAE is in a seismically quiet neighbourhood

3) Land reclaimation and tunnels are feats, but they are not buildings/towers, which is what this contest is about.

i agree with you! i think people who hates bk should see the discovery channel first and then they will know the unique about this tower!

bk is amazing..just seen new mission impossible trailer..i fall in love with this tower!this is new icon..

we are talking about skyscraper..not other things like microchip,road,damn,railway.airport terminal..what is the point compairing that thing with supertall when you are in supertall forum..

In a nutshell: A Mars Rover blows the Burj away lol! :lol:

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OMG!is it real?burj khalifa is awesome!.. i can imagine that if chrysler were beside of this tower,no one will take it seriously..this gigantic bk will overshadow the chrysler so on if the burj located beside it..the cladding when the sun reflect to it make it look like a gold tower..bk is unique!

we are talking about skyscraper..not other things like microchip,road,damn,railway.airport terminal..what is the point compairing that thing with supertall when you are in supertall forum..Because he didn't claim that the BK had the most impressive engineering for any supertall skyscraper in the world. He claimed it was the most impressive engineering achievement of all time, which is utterly ridiculous. Keep up... :|

YOU would like to think it's just Americans

When did I imply that?

Whatever the reason, I feel that people are voting for all the wrong reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNfpwdLVZ4c
one more cool video of burj khalifa.
no offence,just want to share with bk lovers!

When did I imply that?

Whatever the reason, I feel that people are voting for all the wrong reasons.

Well you didn't, though I suspect you are annoyed that the Burj is losing, so I felt you were directing your comments at those who voted for the Chrysler.

Judge it yourself:)

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As much as we cherish the classic Empire State Building in our minds, we must not forget the Twins that brought inspiration to millions in this part of the world.

In 1998, the dawn of the new era begun, right here in Kuala Lumpur.

Here I present some rarely seen angles of Petronas Twin Towers. Enjoy!




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if chrysler win this tournament,al kazim tower will get second place right?..both are nearly same.same style,same crown,same material..oh no!al kazim tower?it must be joke!so on with chrysler!bk should win!

petronas was awesome!those picture are great!thanks patchay for remain me the beauty of this tower!never get bored with this tower!

chrysler is better than esb but bk and ptt is the best!

The amount of abject praise being tossed around here is amazing. Even in polls searching for the most beautiful woman of the year/week/hour people accept that virtually all the candidates are beautiful. Here it seems that it's not enough for their favorite to win but everyone else must be brow beaten into submission.

Whatever happened to simply saying "I like this because..."

if chrysler win this tournament,al kazim tower will get second place right?..both are nearly same.same style,same crown,same material..oh no!al kazim tower?it must be joke!so on with chrysler!bk should win!

Um, the Chrysler Building was an original design when built, and is still seen a a wonderful shining skyscraper. Fast forward 80 years and the Al Kazim Towers are built in Dubai. They are as a cheap and nasty post modern rip off of the Chrysler Building. They have little value in any way. Don't be so silly.

abit offtopic but oh man, cold blood was just running through me when i see these pics... Enjoy!


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if chrysler win this tournament,al kazim tower will get second place right?..both are nearly same.same style,same crown,same material..oh no!al kazim tower?it must be joke!so on with chrysler!bk should win!Some would say that Al Kazim towers' attempt to duplicate so precisely the Chrysler building would both stand testament to the latters iconic stature while also illustrating a lack of imagination and individuality. Las Vegas has a small Eiffel Tower and Statue of Liberty, but they are seen as the novelties as they are.

To wit, Ben, I'm forced to ask:
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OMG!is it real?burj khalifa is awesome!.. i can imagine that if chrysler were beside of this tower,no one will take it seriously..this gigantic bk will overshadow the chrysler so on if the burj located beside it..the cladding when the sun reflect to it make it look like a gold tower..bk is unique!Really? That must suck for the rest of Dubai, knowing their buildings have now been rendered irrelevant. Guess all future architecture should be exact copies of BK, or simply stop building all together.

^^^^

Also, of course the Chrysler was not built with the middle of the desert in mind, so yeah, I guess it would look out of place, but then the Burj looks quite out of place.

Your point is even better. To say anything next to the Burj sucks, is ridiculous.

Um, the Chrysler Building was an original design when built, and is still seen a a wonderful shining skyscraper. Fast forward 80 years and the Al Kazim Towers are built in Dubai. They are as a cheap and nasty post modern rip off of the Chrysler Building. They have little value in any way. Don't be so silly.

its not about when and where,whose original and whose copycat but both design are nearly same..the point is what criteria you vote for?is it age and location factor?why al kazim shouldnt win?is it because it was not in NY?or is it because it was still new?if you vote based on location,this title should be rename best new york supertall,if you vote based on age,i think this title should change to the best first supertall..clearly you vote for the wrong criteria.you should vote for the best looking supertall!

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Also, of course the Chrysler was not built with the middle of the desert in mind, so yeah, I guess it would look out of place, but then the Burj looks quite out of place.

Your point is even better. To say anything next to the Burj sucks, is ridiculous.

is not about location.but it is about that building it self!you dont get my poit..even if chrysler located far2 away from burj,it will also cant beat burj..i just imagine that both are besides so we can see the diffrence!

Some would say that Al Kazim towers' attempt to duplicate so precisely the Chrysler building would both stand testament to the latters iconic stature while also illustrating a lack of imagination and individuality. Las Vegas has a small Eiffel Tower and Statue of Liberty, but they are seen as the novelties as they are.

To wit, Ben, I'm forced to ask:
Really? That must suck for the rest of Dubai, knowing their buildings have now been rendered irrelevant. Guess all future architecture should be exact copies of BK, or simply stop building all together.

wrong thread to discuss about this!see,you also knew that al kazim copy chrysler,so,should chrysler win just because of the name?if based on the design,if chrysler win,that mean al kazim tower also should win in best skyscraper world cup!

I want Chrysler vs ESB for the final! Until now, Chrysler is winning against Burj Khalifa, and ESB is a little under Petronas towers.

its not about when and where,whose original and whose copycat but both design are nearly same..the point is what criteria you vote for?is it age and location factor?why al kazim shouldnt win?is it because it was not in NY?or is it because it was still new?if you vote based on location,this title should be rename best new york supertall,if you vote based on age,i think this title should change to the best first supertall..clearly you vote for the wrong criteria.you should vote for the best looking supertall!

The fact that they are copies is not the issue. The fact that they are cheap looking ripoffs is. They are terribly dull and lack any imagination.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Location should always be taken into account. That is to say, you should consider how well the building fits into it's surrounding. You should not vote for a tower because of the city it is in. If the Chrysler was in Hong Kong, it would fit in well there, I think, and I'd vote for it then too. No tower really fits in in Dubai. The desert is not the place for tall buildings.


wrong thread!:bash:

I dare say he was talking about the Chrysler building and responding directly to someone with a similar viewpoint to you, so it was entirely the right thread. Just because he said something you don't like, don't tell him he's using the wrong forum.

so you means that all dubai building is ugly because it was located on wrong place?all new york building is beautiful because it was at a right place?come on,this is not best supertall that fit location cup!

The fact that they are copies is not the issue. The fact that they are cheap looking ripoffs is. They are terribly dull and lack any imagination.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Location should always be taken into account. That is to say, you should consider how well the building fits into it's surrounding. You should not vote for a tower because of the city it is in. If the Chrysler was in Hong Kong, it would fit in well there, I think, and I'd vote for it then too. No tower really fits in in Dubai. The desert is not the place for tall buildings.



Chrysler also dull and and look cheap!
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so you means that all dubai building is ugly because it was located on wrong place?all new york building is beautiful because it was at a right place?come on,this is not best supertall that fit location cup!

I did not say that. Don't twist my words please. I simple said it must always be considered. It shouldn't be the main consideration, just a minor one. I also didn't say that towers in Dubai were ugly, just that in my opinion, they don't fit in very well.

Chrysler also dull and and look cheap!

You are entitled to think the Chrysler looks dull and cheap. Most people would majorly disagree with you, but I'm not gonna get all angry and silly like you and lash out, it's your opinion, and that's allowed in a democracy. Also, well done for finding a not so great image of the Chrysler. I'm sure you realise that proves nothing.

You are entitled to think the Chrysler looks dull and cheap. Most people would majorly disagree with you, but I'm not gonna get all angry and silly like you and lash out, it's your opinion, and that's allowed in a democracy. Also, well done for finding a not so great image of the Chrysler. I'm sure you realise that proves nothing.

ok thanks friends!photo doesnt lie..

its not about when and where,whose original and whose copycat but both design are nearly same..the point is what criteria you vote for?is it age and location factor?why al kazim shouldnt win?is it because it was not in NY?or is it because it was still new?if you vote based on location,this title should be rename best new york supertall,if you vote based on age,i think this title should change to the best first supertall..clearly you vote for the wrong criteria.you should vote for the best looking supertall!
originality should be a factor. If another developer made a knock off of Burj K. but without the same level of quality, people aren't going to think highly of what they consider to be a cheap knock off. This is a popularity contest and we all have different reasons to love what we love. You don't determine the criteria of why other people like a building.

[QUOTE=Bruce.Tenmile;80899416]The fact that they are copies is not the issue. The fact that they are cheap looking ripoffs is. They are terribly dull and lack any imagination.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Location should always be taken into account. That is to say, you should consider how well the building fits into it's surrounding. You should not vote for a tower because of the city it is in. If the Chrysler was in Hong Kong, it would fit in well there, I think, and I'd vote for it then too. No tower really fits in in Dubai. The desert is not the place for tall buildings.[QUOTE]

you said that clearly..im not twisting your word..i just describe it using the most simple word..

originality should be a factor. If another developer made a knock off of Burj K. but without the same level of quality, people aren't going to think highly of what they consider to be a cheap knock off. This is a popularity contest and we all have different reasons to love what we love. You don't determine the criteria of why other people like a building.

yes!youre right!originality is important,but what the connection between originality and this thread?

I don't really think location should be taken into account. If a cheap building/supertall manage to fit into it's location, I wouldn't be happy if it won the world cup. Better judge the building architecture alone.
Just my opinion. No harm done to other people thoughts.

you said that clearly..im not twisting your word..i just describe it using the most simple word..

I clarified what I said. Just because they don't fit in, that doesn't mean they are ugly. The Burj doesn't fit in, but I don't think the Burj is ugly, I just don't like it that much.

I don't really think location should be taken into account. If a cheap building/supertall manage to fit into it's location, I wouldn't be happy if it won the world cup. Better judge the building architecture alone.
Just my opinion. No harm done to other people thoughts.

See that's a nice calm response. I happen to think it should be a minor consideration though. I don't think I tower should win solely because it fits in. If it's a crappy cheap looking thing, well that's more important than it fitting in.

I don't really think location should be taken into account. If a cheap building/supertall manage to fit into it's location, I wouldn't be happy if it won the world cup. Better judge the building architecture alone.
Just my opinion. No harm done to other people thoughts.

ARGEE WITH GASGINO!JUST JUDGE THE BUILDING ITSELF..

its not about when and where,whose original and whose copycat but both design are nearly same..the point is what criteria you vote for?is it age and location factor?why al kazim shouldnt win?is it because it was not in NY?or is it because it was still new?if you vote based on location,this title should be rename best new york supertall,if you vote based on age,i think this title should change to the best first supertall..clearly you vote for the wrong criteria.you should vote for the best looking supertall!

That has to do with originality my friend. You're saying if Chrysler wins any knock off of it should win because they look the same. Knock offs aren't original so I'm glad you agree I'm right that originality should be taken into account.

That has to do with originality my friend. You're saying if Chrysler wins any knock off of it should win because they look the same. Knock offs aren't original so I'm glad you agree I'm right that originality should be taken into account.

No, he doesn't agree. He thinks originality should NOT be taken into account.

yes!youre right!originality is important,but what the connection between originality and this thread?

Well he quoted me and said that, so I responded.

I clarified what I said. Just because they don't fit in, that doesn't mean they are ugly. The Burj doesn't fit in, but I don't think the Burj is ugly, I just don't like it that much.


SO,vote on the building,not the location!location is not a good criteria to vote for..like i said before,this is not the best fit supertall in location..

btw, i respect your choice..

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No, the architect had to take the location into account, so I shall too. We all agree that voting based on nationalism is not right, but taking into account whether a building fits in I think is again, at least a minor consideration. I'm glad you respect my thoughts.

No, he doesn't agree. He thinks originality should NOT be taken into account.

bruce,bruce...you like to make enemy right?simply said on behalf of me eventhough i say nothing..originally is importance,my point is,if chrysler is not there and never been built,is al kazim should win?..

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I just thought he misunderstood you. Sorry. I think Al Kazim would still be terrible and cheap.

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No, the architect had to take the location into account, so I shall too. We all agree that voting based on nationalism is not right, but taking into account whether a building fits in I think is again, at least a minor consideration. I'm glad you respect my thoughts.

so you want to say that youre smarter than the architect because they built in a wrong place?

so you want to say that youre smarter than the architect because they built in a wrong place?

Not smarter no. They are given the site, they have to design something for it. I don't think the Burj fits in there. The architects and those stumping up the cash obviously think it does fit in. It's my opinion vs theirs. There's no question of intelligence. I'm not suggesting they should have built it somewhere else, because that was the site they were given.

Not smarter no. They are given the site, they have to design something for it. I don't think the Burj fits in there. The architects and those stumping up the cash obviously think it does fit in. It's my opinion vs theirs. There's no question of intelligence. I'm not suggesting they should have built it somewhere else, because that was the site they were given.
so,there is nothing they can do.so, is it fair to consider location as the criteria?they cant change the location,but they can change the design,so vote for the design,not the location!

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The design for the location yes. I'm gonna bow out because each of us picking on every point the other says is getting very tedious.

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The design for the location yes. I'm gonna bow out because each of us picking on every point the other says is getting very tedious.

yup!youre right..we need to stop all this arguement..peace..

It's just occurred to me, that maybe, maybe, people have voted for the Chrysler because they fear the Burj would easily beat the Petronas Towers. Hey I'm happy that the Chrysler is ahead, I just wonder if that's a reason. Anyone else thought the same?

i really hope Petronas get to the final...it is just way much cooler and huge than ESB!!!!!!!!!!

^ It isn't much taller, though it does earn extra points for being twins. This is going to be a nail biter.

a final match between esb and chrysler would be epic. hope to see it happen.

Oldies but goldies !! ;)

a final match between esb and chrysler would be epic. hope to see it happen.

Yea itd be very epic for the rest of us supporting Burj and Patronas too.





Edit.. just in case you do not understand what i mean (which i sure bruce you wont).. epic in an absurd way.

It's just occurred to me, that maybe, maybe, people have voted for the Chrysler because they fear the Burj would easily beat the Petronas Towers. Hey I'm happy that the Chrysler is ahead, I just wonder if that's a reason. Anyone else thought the same?

That would be very hard to conclude.. if what you say is true, Chrysler is not only receiving a lot of US nationalist votes, but also the SEA nationalist votes.

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Well I dunno, it was just a thought. I'm just trying to think how the Burj, which was so popular before, can be losing. As I say, I'm glad, bur I'm still curious.

You all sure like to complain a lot. It's a popularity contest, relax.

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Well I dunno, it was just a thought. I'm just trying to think how the Burj, which was so popular before, can be losing. As I say, I'm glad, bur I'm still curious.

Burj has been receiving about 900 votes on average in the past polls. Also i would imagine those who voted for BoC against Chrysler and GIFZ against EBS would also vote for the Burj. So considering these, i actually agree Burj votes somehow seem very tiny.

^^^^ It's likely that many Burj voters'll hold back until the last moment so there's no chance of Chrysler getting back.

Burj has been receiving about 900 votes on average in the past polls. Also i would imagine those who voted for BoC against Chrysler and GIFZ against EBS would also vote for the Burj. So considering these, i actually agree Burj votes somehow seem very tiny.

Did it occur to you that some of the people who voted for Burj against other supertalls would not vote for it over the Chrysler Building? Chrysler is the original supertall, and has been burned into my brain as the standard bearer for about 20 years (I'm almost 30, so not including my infancy by any means). Burj is amazing, but Chrysler is legendary. I can't even imagine the logistics of constructing a supertall in 1930.

a final match between esb and chrysler would be epic. hope to see it happen.

that'd be horrible.smh
That would be very hard to conclude.. if what you say is true, Chrysler is not only receiving a lot of US nationalist votes, but also the SEA nationalist votes.

well they better come out in waves and vote for petronas..

^^^^ It's likely that many Burj voters'll hold back until the last moment so there's no chance of Chrysler getting back.
There would be no point to that. It would only make it seem like someone is cheating again. I suggest you vote now if that is anyone's plan.

Did it occur to you that some of the people who voted for Burj against other supertalls would not vote for it over the Chrysler Building? Chrysler is the original supertall, and has been burned into my brain as the standard bearer for about 20 years (I'm almost 30, so not including my infancy by any means). Burj is amazing, but Chrysler is legendary. I can't even imagine the logistics of constructing a supertall in 1930.

Chrysler being the first doesn't matter at all, or shouldn't. Burj is legendary, its beaten so many records...or do we have to wait another 70 years for it to be considered legendary?

this is a great competition

Chrysler being the first doesn't matter at all, or shouldn't. Burj is legendary, its beaten so many records...or do we have to wait another 70 years for it to be considered legendary?

Think about it this way. You get married, and you madly love your wife (Chrysler), and then 20 years later (for me at least) a stunning, almost unreal woman comes along (BK). However, nothing can change the way you feel about your wife.

Too many people grew up with Chrysler as our #1, and BK may be the flashy new kid on the block, but it will take perfection to change our minds. BK is an excellent, amazing tower, but to me falls just short enough of this perfection that I will continue to stick with the building I originally fell in love with... It has too big of a head start. I think BK's best chance to win this contest (in the future, probably) is if all the towers that are planned to overtake it in height fall through, and it has a long enough reign to become the definitive tower of this century. (or at least, decade?)

I have a giant skyscraper book from 1998, and Chrysler is on the cover. The old guard doesn't relinquish its title so easily. It's kind of like how people still say Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player ever, even though most (all?) of his milestone statistics have been passed.

Stop all this bullshit.
You can't convince others to vote for that particular skyscraper, why bother arguing?

Stop all this bullshit.
You can't convince others to vote for that particular skyscraper, why bother arguing?

Nobody was making offenses, just arguing, which does not have nothing wrong about it, and you come with "Stop all this Bullshit" :banana::banana::banana:

wrong thread to discuss about this!see,you also knew that al kazim copy chrysler,so,should chrysler win just because of the name?if based on the design,if chrysler win,that mean al kazim tower also should win in best skyscraper world cup!Even if Al Kazim was an exact copy, which it isn't, the context and setting for that skyscraper is completely different. Which means there is no linear logic to your thinking.

If you fail to see that then I'm sorry... and have even less faith in the users of this board.

Chrysler being the first doesn't matter at all, or shouldn't. Burj is legendary, its beaten so many records...or do we have to wait another 70 years for it to be considered legendary?So being first doesn't matter, even if that first creation enables the second?

Even by the slim margin of how BK may meet the literal definition of legendary, it hardly meets the spirit of the term. Despite the exaggerations of so many fans and enthusiasts many people outside architectural circles still don't yet know about the building, and we've yet to see it spend some time actually serving it's various roles as a hotel, event facility, etc. What if it gives way in a couple years? Or if it becomes rife with minor defects once fully occupied?

Yes it's broken records, and deserves recognition for that, but I didn't realize height was the main/only criteria. The cast of TV's Glee has set records for music sales recently. Does that make them the best pop music act of all time?

As far as I understood, the towers were seeded according to their height. Hence, in the first round, for instance, Burj Khalifa (highest among the 64 entering the contest) was pared with Costanera Center (lowest). Abraj Al Bait, second highest, was pared in the opposite bracket with the second lowest, City of Capitals.

Fair and transparent criteria.

As I said and would say again:

The elimination of Petronas and Burj is a huge disgrace to modern architects and modern engineers of our era.

So much for the advancements, but turns out to be an embarassment when comparing to the classic Chrysler and ESB.

(Btw I see people are confused to vote for historical relationship and modernity/current time achievements. If so, I would rather vote Eiffel Tower as the best supertall as it is the most iconic recognised landmark.)

Any disgrace is nonsense. A modern masterpiece losing to a classic masterpiece should not be an embarrassment. In the end they're both masterpieces. It may not be considered the best by the majority, but at the same time it is also considered awesome by the majority. So why would it be an embarrassment or a disgrace? All four of these awesome skyscrapers made it to the final four, but only one may be the best. But that will be determined later...

As I said and would say again:

The elimination of Petronas and Burj is a huge disgrace to modern architects and modern engineers of our era.

So much for the advancements, but turns out to be an embarassment when comparing to the classic Chrysler and ESB.

(Btw I see people are confused to vote for historical relationship and modernity/current time achievements. If so, I would rather vote Eiffel Tower as the best supertall as it is the most iconic recognised landmark.)

^^+1 It's like camparing

http://www.sntc.org.sz/sdphotos/photos/scar1930s.jpg

VS

http://www.expensive-car.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bugatti-veyron.jpg

:|:|:|

^^+1 It's like camparing

http://www.sntc.org.sz/sdphotos/photos/scar1930s.jpg

VS

http://www.expensive-car.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bugatti-veyron.jpg

:|:|:|
that was a stupid comparison.

^^ LOL.
Chrysler (classic) vs BK (modern) is like
http://www.rolex-kaufen.de/wp-content/uploads/rolex-day-date.jpg

vs

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417rr6liYvL.jpg

And btw I voted for BK! :cheers2:

Well you didn't, though I suspect you are annoyed that the Burj is losing, so I felt you were directing your comments at those who voted for the Chrysler.

^^ Your suspicions are incorrect and that sort of inflammatory commentary is what the problem is. So many people are being far too petty and as a result, the outcome of the contest will be skewed. :ohno:

^^^^

I did say sorry, but I think you'll find it's the actual cheating, rather than the accusations and suspicions of cheating that has ruined the competition. Just sayin'.

^^^^ I'd say it was an equal mix of the two.

My fav :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1406/897380232_adbf458a26_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rags1969/897380232/)
Kuala Lumpur :: The Grand Petronas (In almost B&W) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rags1969/897380232/) by Ragstatic (http://www.flickr.com/people/rags1969/), on Flickr


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1041/581925440_32388108c9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/inbangkok/581925440/)
The two towers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/inbangkok/581925440/) by grantthai (http://www.flickr.com/people/inbangkok/), on Flickr


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5059/5496039770_ed74261ab5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xeero/5496039770/)
Petronas Tower ( The Grand View) :: DRI (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xeero/5496039770/) by Xeerowing (http://www.flickr.com/people/xeero/), on Flickr


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3471557361_b57ab51579_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sasuhai/3471557361/)
Time to go back home.... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sasuhai/3471557361/) by Sasuhai (http://www.flickr.com/people/sasuhai/), on Flickr


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/7/8379026_a9c0504bdf_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liyin/8379026/)
one of the tallest buildings in the world (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liyin/8379026/) by Liyin the Designer-in-Pajamas (http://www.flickr.com/people/liyin/), on Flickr


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/8/8935791_d6d81fb930_z.jpg?zz=1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/potatoe/8935791/sizes/z/in/photostream/


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2516/3912477226_380785f618_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mariowibowo/3912477226/)
Metal from Malaysia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mariowibowo/3912477226/) by Mario Wibowo, ARPS (http://www.flickr.com/people/mariowibowo/), on Flickr

just my opinion
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/RGE.jpg

*hard to find full pic on full chysler,maybe the only attractive value on chysler is the crown.others out
*empire state is really historical building,good proportion ..but it spire is mess
*petronas tower is nice,it have chance to win this,its very eye catchy
*burj khalifa,too much people hate it,i dont know why,but its truly best human achievement

Sweet, sweet Jesus, dude. You ranked Petronas above ESB in iconic AND historic context.

Get a life.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1041/581925440_32388108c9_b.jpg[/url]
The two towers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/inbangkok/581925440/) by grantthai (http://www.flickr.com/people/inbangkok/), on Flickr



I've not been a huge fan in the past, but the image alone has made me think again. It's not my favourite still, but it is very nice.

^^very nice cladding

empire state building cladding
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/414785310_0eb5a4ca64_o1.jpg

^^very nice cladding

empire state building cladding
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/414785310_0eb5a4ca64_o1.jpg

Similarly.....

Here's the Burj Khalifa cladding....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/29/article-2009332-0CC7CA2900000578-149_634x286.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MJP0UXD31gE/SlNv05Gu_ZI/AAAAAAAAMKM/BiYiaQZrPn4/s400/ImreSoltDubaiPhotos38.jpg


And here's the Chrysler cladding....

http://www.museumplanet.com/image/nyc/es/es015.jpg

http://images.travelpod.co.uk/users/oztrekkers/2.1306852440.entrance-to-the-chrysler-building.jpg

^^its about the building not location.and even then the location of the Chrysler is IMO better, NY has at least urbanity and density, and yes more class instead of kitsch like dubai. and stop whining like a dubai-lover.

If it really is about the building and not the location, why on hell do you keep referring to the location more then anything else, even in this very post?


PS: Plus, from your post history in this forum, is dead-obvious that it IS indeed about the location and not the building itself.

^^ LOL.
Chrysler (classic) vs BK (modern) is like
http://www.rolex-kaufen.de/wp-content/uploads/rolex-day-date.jpg

vs

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417rr6liYvL.jpg

And btw I voted for BK! :cheers2:

There is not much classic about that Rolex. Check what it says under the brand name. There was nothing like that decades ago. Actually I would consider a perpetual mechanism, more high-tech then a simple quartz watch :lol:

just my opinion
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/RGE.jpg

*hard to find full pic on full chysler,maybe the only attractive value on chysler is the crown.others out
*empire state is really historical building,good proportion ..but it spire is mess
*petronas tower is nice,it have chance to win this,its very eye catchy
*burj khalifa,too much people hate it,i dont know why,but its truly best human achievement

So many things wrong with this, were to begin?...

I'll give you design, because that's an opinion. And hi-tech is probably about right.

But come on. You ranked ESB AND Chrysler below Petronas on iconic value? Go down any street in any city in the world, and ask people to name a skyscraper. I am certain that almost every answer will be "Empire State Building" or "Chrysler Building".

To be honest, a lot of people out there that don't give a damn about buildings like we do still think the Empire State Building is that tallest in the world.

I don't know much about the history, but I'd say Burj Khalifa doesn't have much history behind it seeing as it's so new, so I'd probably rank that a bit lower.

And lastly, how can you give ESB an 8 on location but Chrysler anything different? They're within what? Half a mile of each other for Christ's sake

To be honest, a lot of people out there that don't give a damn about buildings like we do still think the Empire State Building is that tallest in the world.



There is one word to describe those people. "IGNORANCE". Seriously, ESB has not been the tallest building more than a decade ago.

Yes I know that. ESB hasn't been tallest for 40 years now. But you have to realize, a lot of people out there don't care for skyscrapers and architecture like we do. I do agree it's ignorance, but not in a bad sense.

But for me, it's awesome. I love talking to my friends that don't know about architecture, and they'll ask me something like "How tall is the Empire State Building?" and I tell them. Then I open up SSP and show them the comparison diagrams and when they see the Burj Khalifa, their jaw drops.

It brings a smile to my face :)

^^+1 It's like camparing

http://www.sntc.org.sz/sdphotos/photos/scar1930s.jpg

VS

http://www.expensive-car.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bugatti-veyron.jpg

:|:|:|

That's the funniest thing I've seen for a while. Just stop embarrassing yourself here.

Seriously, you guys are so biased.

My comparison:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1151/1418489934_f45b7f94d7_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mingthein/1418489934/)
_N207239 copy.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mingthein/1418489934/) by mingthein (http://www.flickr.com/people/mingthein/), on Flickr
vs
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bugatti-veyron-main-post-1.jpg

So many things wrong with this, were to begin?...

I'll give you design, because that's an opinion. And hi-tech is probably about right.

But come on. You ranked ESB AND Chrysler below Petronas on iconic value?

Go down any street in any city in the world, and ask people to name a skyscraper. I am certain that almost every answer will be "Empire State Building" or "Chrysler Building".

To be honest, a lot of people out there that don't give a damn about buildings like we do still think the Empire State Building is that tallest in the world.

I don't know much about the history, but I'd say Burj Khalifa doesn't have much history behind it seeing as it's so new, so I'd probably rank that a bit lower.

And lastly, how can you give ESB an 8 on location but Chrysler anything different? They're within what? Half a mile of each other for Christ's sake

petronas twin tower is more iconic(my opinion)because its two,and if u see this on outline photo,it very easy to recognize. the cladding is very original and its have a very famous skybridge..i bet not all asian know about chysler..esb is quiet famous,but its still behind petronas tower,(most popular building in asia,every one know about it,its a mark of rising asia,it touch every asia people).

u should go to china(beijing,shanghai)they dont even know about chysler or esb..

history i mean is not how old is the building because they are not in same era,historical value is like how they breaking old record and make a history,example,the tallest building on earth,a tallest structure in the world,a fastest train in the word,

yup,esb look ok in newyork but chysler look out of place,its look weird when see a that building in newyork,very out of place,the crown is to much for newyork square brick building

- edit

history i mean is not how old is the building because they are not in same era,historical value is like how they breaking old record and make a history,example,the tallest building on earth,a tallest structure in the world,a fastest train in the word,


did you mean achievement value?

There is one word to describe those people. "IGNORANCE". Seriously, ESB has not been the tallest building more than a decade ago.
it also call egoist

How are some people not understanding this: Not everyone knows about skyscrapers. It's not ignorant. It's not egotistical. The ESB was the tallest for a long time. Why should anybody know that it isn't any more? Everyone is interested in different things. If you didn't know what the highest grossing movie of all time was, would you be ignorant? If you didn't know what the largest animal on earth was, would you be ignorant? No, you would just be uninterested in those fields.

How are some people not understanding this: Not everyone knows about skyscrapers. It's not ignorant. It's not egotistical. The ESB was the tallest for a long time. Why should anybody know that it isn't any more? Everyone is interested in different things. If you didn't know what the highest grossing movie of all time was, would you be ignorant? If you didn't know what the largest animal on earth was, would you be ignorant? No, you would just be uninterested in those fields.

Your ignorance are at its best. Seriously. When people talk about taiwan or taipeh, ppl will link it to taipei101 which is tallest building in to world once it was. YOu don't need to be an architect or skyscraper fans to know those. Its has been 4 decade as mentioned above ESB has not been the tallest building. For you, there is only one world and the world is the country you are reside in. And its sad to tell you that there is no cure for those ppl choose to be ignorance.

^^^^

I don't reside in the US, so there.

I think you'll find that most people in the world probably couldn't even name the capital of Taiwan as Taipei, let alone the Taipei 101. I know we are all massive skyscraper fans, but we shouldn't fool ourselves. Most people don't know what we know. Skyscrapers aren't a big part of society. You don't have advertisements on buses and on TV for them when a new one is completed. Unless you live in the city or maybe the country, most towers will go unnoticed by the world at large. The Burj has had the most press for a building in a long long time, and still, I'm sure not everyone would know it.

I know it annoys you, but a lot of people probably couldn't name any skyscraper at all, and most of those that can, will invariably name the ESB or Chrysler, or maybe the Twin Towers.

It's not ignorant for the majority of the world to not know what we know.

Think about it this way. You get married, and you madly love your wife (Chrysler), and then 20 years later (for me at least) a stunning, almost unreal woman comes along (BK). However, nothing can change the way you feel about your wife.

Too many people grew up with Chrysler as our #1, and BK may be the flashy new kid on the block, but it will take perfection to change our minds. BK is an excellent, amazing tower, but to me falls just short enough of this perfection that I will continue to stick with the building I originally fell in love with... It has too big of a head start. I think BK's best chance to win this contest (in the future, probably) is if all the towers that are planned to overtake it in height fall through, and it has a long enough reign to become the definitive tower of this century. (or at least, decade?)

I have a giant skyscraper book from 1998, and Chrysler is on the cover. The old guard doesn't relinquish its title so easily. It's kind of like how people still say Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player ever, even though most (all?) of his milestone statistics have been passed.
Good point, but in my opinion not many people were married to chrysler to begin with, or were even alive when it was the tallest (I'm talking about the nearly 2 billion people born over the last two decades). I, for sure, haven't been alive for over 2 decades so maybe what you say about BK being flashy to the new kid on the block can be applied to me. I just am not that attached to Chrysler, always preferred ESB to it honestly. It seemed like the 'second 'scraper' to ESB.:lol:

I'm sure BK will be king for a decade. Petronas wasn't at the top that long before Taipei 101 took over, and then BK came and stripped that title from it. But, I don't see any buildings in planning or u/c planning to be taller than BK as of now. Maybe one will come up in a few years, but even then I'm sure BK will have 10 years at the top.:)

How are some people not understanding this: Not everyone knows about skyscrapers. It's not ignorant. It's not egotistical. The ESB was the tallest for a long time. Why should anybody know that it isn't any more? Everyone is interested in different things. If you didn't know what the highest grossing movie of all time was, would you be ignorant? If you didn't know what the largest animal on earth was, would you be ignorant? No, you would just be uninterested in those fields.

Here is an example to expand on this a little bit... I am an American, and most people I know don't even realize that the Freedom Tower is under construction, let alone ~900' high and counting!

People research what they are interested in. Just because somebody does not know everything that somebody else knows, it does not make them ignorant. There is always a "vice-versa". If I posted on a car forum I would probably become the butt of every joke on there. I watched some guy win 5 straight Jeopardy's, and then lose because he didn't know who won the Superbowl THAT YEAR! (New Orleans) Just because I happen to be a sports fan too, doesn't mean I have what it takes to be a 5 time Jeopardy champion...

^^^^ Thanx for backing me up. Though just to be clear, 'cos you said about posting on a car forum and not knowing about cars, I do know about skyscrapers, those guys totally got the wrong end of the stick.

Here is an example to expand on this a little bit... I am an American, and most people I know don't even realize that the Freedom Tower is under construction, let alone ~900' high and counting!

People research what they are interested in. Just because somebody does not know everything that somebody else knows, it does not make them ignorant. There is always a "vice-versa". If I posted on a car forum I would probably become the butt of every joke on there. I watched some guy win 5 straight Jeopardy's, and then lose because he didn't know who won the Superbowl THAT YEAR! (New Orleans) Just because I happen to be a sports fan too, doesn't mean I have what it takes to be a 5 time Jeopardy champion...

Well, to both of you, If you seriously insist that someone know that ESB is the highest building in the world and in the last 4 decade, they dont even bother to know what happen to the other side of the world. I do really mean 4 decade!! if that is not consider ignorance to you. So be it. Like I have said before, If people choose to know ESB is the tallest long time ago, and choose not to know what happen to the other side of the world, No one can stop them to be ignorance.

^^^^ It's not just about being ignorant of the other side of the world, many wouldn't have heard of the Sears Tower, and many might not know that the WTC towers were taller than the ESB. WE know it's been nearly 4 decades, but most won't.

Well, to both of you, If you seriously insist that someone know that ESB is the highest building in the world and in the last 4 decade, they dont even bother to know what happen to the other side of the world. I do really mean 4 decade!! if that is not consider ignorance to you. So be it. Like I have said before, If people choose to know ESB is the tallest long time ago, and choose not to know what happen to the other side of the world, No one can stop them to be ignorance.
The thing isn't that they don't know, they just don't care, so they name the most iconic skyscraper they can. It is ignorance but not necessarily in a bad way. No one knows everything, we all have our hobbies and interests and we shall excel in those areas in terms of knowledge. There are plenty of people out there that simply don't care about skyscrpaers, but they know King Kong climbed the ESB, it must be the tallest.

As for you evident attacks against Americans and not know about the rest of the world, it's not so much that as it is they don't know about skyscrapers. Plenty of people think the ESB is taller than the Willis Tower just because one is more iconic. Don't make it into a national thing and start insulting people over it.

The thing isn't that they don't know, they just don't care, so they name the most iconic skyscraper they can. It is ignorance but not necessarily in a bad way. No one knows everything, we all have our hobbies and interests and we shall excel in those areas in terms of knowledge. There are plenty of people out there that simply don't care about skyscrpaers, but they know King Kong climbed the ESB, it must be the tallest.

As for you evident attacks against Americans and not know about the rest of the world, it's not so much that as it is they don't know about skyscrapers. Plenty of people think the ESB is taller than the Willis Tower just because one is more iconic. Don't make it into a national thing and start insulting people over it.

I appologize if I indirectly attack against ppl from a particular country. The point I bring out is just my personal opinion. No one need to be agree with me.

Well, to both of you, If you seriously insist that someone know that ESB is the highest building in the world and in the last 4 decade, they dont even bother to know what happen to the other side of the world. I do really mean 4 decade!! if that is not consider ignorance to you. So be it. Like I have said before, If people choose to know ESB is the tallest long time ago, and choose not to know what happen to the other side of the world, No one can stop them to be ignorance.

Those people did not "choose" to learn it. They simply don't know about the others... The ESB is simply too iconic to begin with. Even in the popular culture.

Calling them ignorant just because they don't know what you know is too harsh. Ask yourself, is it okay to call you ignorant because your grammar totally sucked on your posts?;)

Those people did not "choose" to learn it. They simply don't know about the others... The ESB is simply too iconic to begin with. Even in the popular culture.

Calling them ignorant just because they don't know what you know is too harsh. Ask yourself, is it okay to call you ignorant because your grammar totally sucked on your posts?;)


fair enough, its the difference the lvl of ignorance which is acceptable to everyone. I am perfectly fine for you to call me ignorant if you think that my english grammer is below your acceptable level. But english proficiency/grammer shouldn't be bring into this scraper forum discussion in the first place.

Well, to both of you, If you seriously insist that someone know that ESB is the highest building in the world and in the last 4 decade, they dont even bother to know what happen to the other side of the world. I do really mean 4 decade!! if that is not consider ignorance to you. So be it. Like I have said before, If people choose to know ESB is the tallest long time ago, and choose not to know what happen to the other side of the world, No one can stop them to be ignorance.

The crux of my argument was more towards people's ignorance/indifference to this topic in general, not specifically just people who might believe ESB is the highest. I think many don't, but most could not tell you what the highest actually is.

The thing with cities though, it seems like "the future is now". Many of them are building so many large, futuristic towers, and getting completely sci-fi looking skylines, but most of it has been over the past few years. With skyscrapers, barring some catastrophe, cities only get bigger, and most of the general public does not realize the breakneck speed with which things are occurring if it is not in their own city (many don't even know that). Think about what so many of these huge skylines looked like just 5 years ago, and what they are expected to look like in the next 5 years. The out-of-control-in-an-awesome-way-skyscraper-boom that is going on is such a recent phenomenon, that most people have still never heard of newer towers that we would all consider to be iconic. Like with all things, give it time. I myself am "educating" many of my friends who otherwise would be oblivious.

Im so proud of Chrysler building :)

Most of the ppl I know, don't know what the world tallest building is. I show it to them and they still don't give a damn. Some ppl just have better things to do.

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j388/afiqnadzir1/Untitled-2-2.jpg

^^looking at the spires alone, Chrysler wins by a mile.:)

While Chrysler is an amazing piece of art which has influenced skyscrapers and architecture for decades, this "ain't yo mommas competition". Building skycrapers is about looking into the future and be part of it. BK is a pile of art which will influence the world in the coming decades, mark my words. People who say "BK will be long forgotten in 20 years when its surpassed by another supertall" are being completely retarted. Don't be so sure, BK way hold the world title as the tallest building for longer than we think. It's about looking into the future guys, and if you vote for Chrysler because of its history you are failing hard.

When it comes to Petronas and ESB, I don't really have much to say. They are both pretty equal and are symbols for economy, power and greatness. But when it comes to architectual symbolism I think Petronas is a clear winner. ESB is just classic Manhattanism, while Petronas takes inspiration from several Asian countries' traditional architecture.

^^^^

No one, unless they are voting for the country and not for this building, is 'failing hard'. Everyone likes what they like, and has the right to vote for what they like, regardless of reasoning. You think the Burj is a 'pile of art'. It's interesting that you use such an odd term, as many would call it a pile of something else...

We all have our own opinions.

True, but remember: The thing that anyone can vote isn't always a good thing.

^^^^

Well I think in this instance it is. This contest is to find which building the users of SSC like most. There are countless awards given to the best as judged by experts, and several lists compiled through votes from the public. We are the middle ground; informed, but not to a scholarly degree. As long as people vote for the actual building and not the city, alls well.

The Burj Khalifa rules! :D

BURJ KHALIFA


At over 828 meters (2,716.5 feet) and more than 160 stories, Burj Khalifa is tallest building and free-standing structure in the world. The Chicago-based Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat has established 3 criteria to determine what makes a building tall. Burj Khalifa wins by far in all three categories: height to architectural top, highest occupied floor and height to tip.


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0207-1.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0141-1.jpg

Outside the tower is a lagoon

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0144-3.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0145-1.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0146-3.jpg

Within the lagoon is Dubai Fountain. At a cost of $217 million, Dubai Fountain is illuminated by 6,600 lights and 50 colored projectors. It is 275 meters long and shots water 150 meters into the air, accompanied by a range of classical to contemporary Arabic and world music.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0177-2.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0179-2.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/2010%20Dec%2030%20-%202011%20Jan%203%20-%20DUBAI-ABUDHABI/DSC_0183-3.jpg


Once again... the Burj Khalifa... in its shining glory

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NEW YEAR'S EVE with BURJ KHALIFA


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Lights off...


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Lights on!

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Up close...

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^^To people who voted for Chrysler, seriously, dont you feel sorry for your conscience after seeing these pics?

^^ Can one feel sorry for one's conscience? No I certainly don't. I just don't like the Burj. Why can't you people deal with the thought that some just don't agree with you?

^^ The Chrysler CANNOT beat that cladding :cheers:

^^ Can one feel sorry for one's conscience? No I certainly don't. I just don't like the Burj. Why can't you people deal with the thought that some just don't agree with you?

You are just thinking by heart not rationale.

Edit.. its ok to dislike the burj, there are also a lot of people who dislike Ferraris because they can not afford one :)

The fantastic interiors are shown off in the Atmosphere, inside the Burj Khalifa....

Ofcourse the location is superb as well ;)

From my DeviantART Gallery (http://verticaldubai.deviantart.com/gallery/):

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One more:

http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/137/6/6/visual_by_verticaldubai-d3gl30t.jpg (http://fav.me/d3gl30t)

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http://fav.me/d3gp06k

http://www.atmosphereburjkhalifa.com/images/mediaCenter/9.jpg


http://www.atmosphereburjkhalifa.com/images/mediaCenter/10.jpg


http://www.atmosphereburjkhalifa.com/images/mediaCenter/7.jpg

http://www.atmosphereburjkhalifa.com/images/mediaCenter/6.jpg

http://www.atmosphereburjkhalifa.com/

25.05.2011

by Walter Niederbauer

http://img.******************/images/Middle-East/United-Arab-Emirates/Burj-Kalifa-a24777487.jpg

10.02.2010

by steba4


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Today at sunset, seen from the 38th floor of South Ridge Towers

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/175/7/3/south_ridge_view_by_verticaldubai-d3jupna.jpg (http://fav.me/d3jupna)
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Same location, half an hour later:

http://www.ablazewithlight.com/cityscapes_DSC_8407_PS_NX_OO_y.jpg (http://fav.me/d3jvb0m)
http://fav.me/d3jvb0m

You are just thinking by heart not rationale.

Edit.. its ok to dislike the burj, there are also a lot of people who dislike Ferraris because they can not afford one :)

Whereas you haven't fallen in love with the Burj? You are of course thinking entirely rationally? This is an open vote. I'm getting really tired of telling you that people can vote for whatever they want for whatever reason they want. I'm glad you are finally saying it's 'ok' not to like the Burj, I'm we have your blessing on that. I'm not sure that analogy works though. Does every millionaire have a Ferrari? No. Are you saying I don't like the Burj because...I can't afford it? Very odd logic. I dare say you can't afford a 3 billion dollar building either.

^^ Can one feel sorry for one's conscience? No I certainly don't. I just don't like the Burj. Why can't you people deal with the thought that some just don't agree with you?

Why can't you give any reasons to why you don't like Burj? You keep saying that Chrysler is better than the Burj because the Chrysler has this and that and bla bla bla, but you never give any real reasons to why you don't like Burj in fact.

Whereas you haven't fallen in love with the Burj? You are of course thinking entirely rationally? This is an open vote. I'm getting really tired of telling you that people can vote for whatever they want for whatever reason they want. I'm glad you are finally saying it's 'ok' not to like the Burj, I'm we have your blessing on that. I'm not sure that analogy works though. Does every millionaire have a Ferrari? No. Are you saying I don't like the Burj because...I can't afford it? Very odd logic. I dare say you can't afford a 3 billion dollar building either.

So please stop, while you think you are getting tired of posting, im sure others are even more tired to see your posts here.

Hey hey, dont put yourself into it i never mentioned anything about you not liking ferrari. A lot of millionaires probably prefer lambo over ferrari, but unlike some other who dislike ferrari because they are just sour, just saying.

Totally off-topic, but comparing luxorious car brands with skyscrapers is totally out of place, especially since car brands isn't exactly something that grows on trees these days.

On topic: For your information, I've voted for BK and Petronas. And if they meet in the finals I will vote for the Burj, the worthy winner. Petronas have won so much before.

Why can't you give any reasons to why you don't like Burj? You keep saying that Chrysler is better than the Burj because the Chrysler has this and that and bla bla bla, but you never give any real reasons to why you don't like Burj in fact.

I have in the past, just because I haven't since you've popped in, doesn't mean I haven't given any.

I don't like the uniformity of the setbacks. every one is the same. I don't like the rippling curvature. I find the glass too dark, and I'd prefer more transparency. It is just way too tall for the design, and I'd prefer it if it were around 650m. It doesn't taper in a way which I find appealing and just end up looking like a spike from about halfway.

That's probably enough. I don't see why I should have to justify myself, but clearly you guys can't accept anything without reasons, and even then, you'll still tell me my reasons are wrong I'm sure.

So please stop, while you think you are getting tired of posting, im sure others are even more tired to see your posts here.

Hey hey, dont put yourself into it i never mentioned anything about you not liking ferrari. A lot of millionaires probably prefer lambo over ferrari, but unlike some other who dislike ferrari because they are just sour, just saying.

I should stop, but then this thread would just have you guys waxing lyrical about how the Burj is totally gorgeous and everyone who disagrees is an idiot or is clearly not voting for the right reasons, and that would obviously be terrible, because that's not true.

I didn't say I don't like Ferraris. Where did you read that? I said not all millionaires have them. I have absolutely no interest in cars at all.

^^ Can one feel sorry for one's conscience? No I certainly don't. I just don't like the Burj. Why can't you people deal with the thought that some just don't agree with you?


mmmm I'm sure deep deep inside, u like it. :lol:, just be honest Bruce.

^^ I have in the past, just because I haven't since you've popped in, doesn't mean I haven't given any.

I don't like the uniformity of the setbacks. every one is the same. I don't like the rippling curvature. I find the glass too dark, and I'd prefer more transparency. It is just way too tall for the design, and I'd prefer it if it were around 650m. It doesn't taper in a way which I find appealing and just end up looking like a spike from about halfway.

That's probably enough. I don't see why I should have to justify myself, but clearly you guys can't accept anything without reasons, and even then, you'll still tell me my reasons are wrong I'm sure.

But you know what?

I dislike Chrysler because there is a 1mm crack on the exterior of the building to the left of the second window facing N on the 35th floor. I just dont small cracks on buildings. I prefer the Chrysler without the crack. If there wasn't this 1mm crack then maybe, just maybe i would reconsider my vote again.

Quote from you "please respect my thoughts".

^^ Deep down, everyone agrees with you. Of course they do. :nuts:

But you know what?

I dislike Chrysler because there is a 1mm crack on the exterior of the building to the left of the second window facing N on the 35th floor. I just dont small cracks on buildings. I prefer the Chrysler without the crack. If there wasn't this 1mm crack then maybe, just maybe i would reconsider my vote again.

Quote from you "please respect my thoughts".


I'm sure you think I'll blow up at that, but if that is really the reason that you dislike it, that's fine. It would be a tad extreme, but if that is your opinion, good for you, I respect that. Opinions are opinions. I have no right to tell you that you are wrong, because no opinion is wrong.

I thought rippling was mainly associated with beauty.

Dark glass? What are you talking about? That cladding is like standard in almost ALL glassy skyscrapers in the world. So that means you dislike the cladding in most of the glassy skyscrapers in the world, huh? Fat chance.

Burj is massive and much more than just a "spike". If you want to look at a silly spike I suggest you take a look at the new 1WTC.

I'm sure you think I'll blow up at that, but if that is really the reason that you dislike it, that's fine. It would be a tad extreme, but if that is your opinion, good for you, I respect that. Opinions are opinions. I have no right to tell you that you are wrong, because no opinion is wrong.

I think you are taking this "opinion-thing" to a whole new level noone's ever seen before... :lol:

I thought rippling was mainly associated with beauty.

Dark glass? What are you talking about? That cladding is like standard in almost ALL glassy skyscrapers in the world. So that means you dislike the cladding in most of the glassy skyscrapers in the world, huh? Fat chance.

Burj is massive and much more than just a "spike". If you want to look at a silly spike I suggest you take a look at the new 1WTC.

Rippling as in undulating.

I do rather dislike the glass in most towers yeah. There are a few which have a more transparent look, and I prefer that.

The base is massive. The rest just tapers to what I'd imagine must be a pretty pointless spike. The highest floors can't have much room at all.

I'd agree with you that the spire on 1WTC is kind of crappy, and I wouldn't call the building the best in the world, but it's actually pretty blocky. A Spike is really not at all what the building is. It's the opposite.


I think you are taking this "opinion-thing" to a whole new level noone's ever seen before... :lol:

Well I would say not liking a building due to a single crack was stupid, but if that were truly his opinion, he's entitled to it.

I'm sure you think I'll blow up at that, but if that is really the reason that you dislike it, that's fine. It would be a tad extreme, but if that is your opinion, good for you, I respect that. Opinions are opinions. I have no right to tell you that you are wrong, because no opinion is wrong.

And im sure you have already blown :)

Please also respect this opinion of mine: it seems a lot of people dislike ferraris because they say the yellow background in the logo looks ugly, they prefer it blue, however i think they are just sour.

What do you say?

^^Most people wouldn't agree with you about the cladding... And if you really prefer transparent cladding, this means you will vote for Shanghai Tower the next round in a few years time? I guess you wouldn't, even though Shanghai Tower is a modern masterpiece in art which Chrysler couldn't even dream of being. You would still vote for Chrysler, according to your latest posts...

Last but not least: Chrysler in its "full glory". The major part of this tower reminds me of some poor baltic commie-block.

http://www.artcyclopedia.org/art/william-van-alen-chrysler-building.jpg

The crown on Chrysler is best part and even that looks outdated and from days gone by. In addition, the bottom half of the building, no matter how ugly is completely hidden in a sea of concrete and cannot be appreciated (or hated), whereas the Burj is fantastic from the top to the bottom and is showcased with clever urban planning in the surrounding areas :-D GO BURJ KHALIFA!!!!!!! :cheers:

http://dxbae.com/images/BurjFog.jpg

http://azeemazeez.com/manage/uploads/2010/01/burj-at-night.jpg

http://www.theresidentarchitect.com/image-files/burj%20khalifa.jpg

^^Most people wouldn't agree with you about the cladding... And if you really prefer transparent cladding, this means you will vote for Shanghai Tower the next round in a few years time? I guess you wouldn't, even though Shanghai Tower is a modern masterpiece in art which Chrysler couldn't even dream of being. You would still vote for Chrysler, according to your latest posts...

Last but not least: Chrysler in its "full glory". The major part of this tower reminds me of some poor baltic commie-block.

http://www.artcyclopedia.org/art/william-van-alen-chrysler-building.jpg

And it's not transparent either!!! The concrete finish on the building is REALLY ugly!! :lol:

And im sure you have already blown :)

Please also respect this opinion of mine: it seems a lot of people dislike ferraris because they say the yellow background in the logo looks ugly, they prefer it blue, however i think they are just sour.

What do you say?

Again, I'd think that was stupid, but if that's some people's reasons, well again, they are entitled to it.

^^Most people wouldn't agree with you about the cladding... And if you really prefer transparent cladding, this means you will vote for Shanghai Tower the next round in a few years time? I guess you wouldn't, even though Shanghai Tower is a modern masterpiece in art which Chrysler couldn't even dream of being. You would still vote for Chrysler, according to your latest posts...


I don't really care if they wouldn't. My opinion isn't based on what anyone else thinks. I love the Shanghai Tower, and I would certainly vote for it all the way to the semis. It's easily my favourite building under construction and certainly is a modern masterpiece, but what you've misunderstood, is that I said I prefer more transparent glass over opaque glass. I didn't say I prefer it over all else. It would probably be close, and when it came to it, I may even vote for it over the Chrysler, but not over the ESB.

And it's not transparent either!!! The concrete finish on the building is REALLY ugly!! :lol:

Again, I didn't say I liked transparent glass over all else, and that's your opinion. I like the concrete, and I like the placement of the windows.

Do you all feel so threatened by just one opposing opinion that you must bash me until I concede? I'm not going to concede. I respect your views, I just disagree. Why can't you just respect mine?

^^ Like you, we've all got our opinions :)

gorgeos!!

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