WOW
Shinkansen looks so incredible!

They all seem pretty cool. I think the Shinkansen looks the best, and seems the more practically adaptable.

Kyushu Shinkansen Tsubame :)
http://www62.tok2.com/home/tsubame787/seat_800tsubame/001.jpg
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The TGV which needs silly locomotives isn't on the same field as the Shinkansen and the ICE.

Don't forget in 60s
French has partly created and built Shinkansen.

I think the us is extremely big and its easier to just take a plane anywhere... But they do have the Acela trains by Amtrak.. I don't like it, its only between NY and DC
It's easier to take a plane coast to coast, but other than that I think the transportation possibilities are horrible: terrible bus, own car or plane.

HEY you forgot Eurostar Italia that are definately Neater than german ICE

^

post some pics please.

Here are some pictures of EUROSTAR ITALIA

http://www2r.biglobe.ne.jp/~rokumaru/europe/railway/it/imgl04.jpg

http://www2r.biglobe.ne.jp/~rokumaru/europe/railway/it/imgl05.jpg

http://www.drkimsworld.com/GALLERY/DATA/Eurail-12-cabin-Eurostar-Italia.jpg

http://www.alleuroperail.com/eurostar-italia/eurostar-1st-4-lg.jpg
http://www.alleuroperail.com/eurostar-italia/eurostar-1st-1-lg.jpg

http://www.italiarail.com/tickets/img10-20/TRE/ItaliaRail/Images/ETR-500-4.jpg

http://www.hochgeschwindigkeitszuege.com/galerie/it/it_etr500_mailand4_xxl.jpg


This train (Following picture) has been designed and is expected to be produced soon for the italian railways
http://www.trenitalia.com/it/trenitalia/stampa/pdf/Tilting_6883352.jpg

I've been on the eurostar italia and I don't think is better or neater than the German ICE... It actually looks old now...

JR500

http://ssweb.cool.ne.jp/photo-L/tokaido-500-01.JPG



http://blog3.fc2.com/m/museahoblog/file/jr500(cinquecento)nozomi.jpg




http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2487/jr500a2zo.jpg


The amazing new fastech...


http://www.geocities.jp/kiemon2/a-fastech360.jpg




http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/elciclon14/imgs/8/c/8c48ec46.JPG

The TGV which needs silly locomotives isn't on the same field as the Shinkansen and the ICE.
This is stupid patriotism. Don't the Shinkansen and ICE need locomotives, too ?
Give us technical reasons to justify the so-called "inferiority" of TGV. It's still the fastest conventional train, with 515km/h.
Isn't Shinkansen far from this, with "only" 350km/h ?


http://simtrains.skyblog.com/pics/223810198_small.jpghttp://www.fluidlab.naoe.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/heritage/2001yaku/TGV01.jpg

Substructure t'as raison! LEs TGVS sont très mieux que les ICEs d'Allemagne!

@sdtj = I see you haven't experienced the latest eurostar italia trains.. many things have changed lately

The speed record doesn't mean the actual speed from city to city...... The shinkansen is superior in every aspect Period.

GaulsResearch, I get it, you mean power cars at the end of the train isn't it ?
Well, it's already being studied, and there's been a working prototype since 2001.
http://www.railjournal.com/2000-05/images/agv.jpg
More information here http://www.railjournal.com/2000-05/agv.html

Now please stop propaganda and narrow-minded nationalism.

http://www.railjournal.com/2000-05/images/agv.jpg

It looks like Shinkansen. I think it's a copycat.

GaulsResearch, I get it, you mean power cars at the end of the train isn't it ?
Well, it's already being studied, and there's been a working prototype since 2001.


Now please stop propaganda and narrow-minded nationalism.

Of course I meant the silly cars which have no passenger seats. Unlike the TGV the Shinkansen has very little useless space. The maximum record of the Shinkansen is currently 405 km/h without locomotives and it plans to go into service at 360 km/h after 4 years. I'm not a patriot but a realist.

^^

There is a logical and simple reason why TGV has lokomotives and the Shinkansen doesn't. Shinkansen is a much bigger train, with a higher floor than the TGV. In Shinkansen they could fit all the traction equipment under the train, In the TGV there was no space under the carriages. The TGV had to be smaller because it doesn't run solely on new tracks but uses older tracks to with a small loading gauge. They also decided on a articulated design for the carriages to minimise weight. Back in the days it was not possible to have powered articulated bogies. Powercars where needed to fit the traction equipment, like all other real High Speed Trains until the ICE 3.
You have to remember that the basic TGV was designed back in the late seventies. Today traction equipment is much more compact and can therefore be fitted under a (European) normal sized train.

TGV maybe have a lot of useless space, but it was necessary to allow high speed rail travel in Europe.

Calm down guys! :)

I juste think that substructure is a little disapointed, like me, when he sees that this topic "TGV-Shinkansen-ICE" is just showing dozon of post of the differents (and often ugly, in my opinion) Shinkansen. Why don't you create a new topic?

I think all these dozen new design just hide the Shinkansen have nothing new.

Yes, the TGV run "only" at 320km/h for a 515km/h record.
The Shinkansen plan to go 360km/h for a 405km/h record.... That's why the TGV is pretty more safety in my opinion.

The conventional wheels system used on Shinkansen JR 500 for exemple are very dangerous if the train go out of the tracks (that was the main innovation for TGV's in 1981). I think the power cars at the end is a good point for safety, too.

D'ont forget that in the 80's japanee's enginner thought it was physicaly impossible to go faster than 500km/h on steel/steel. And since 15 years (yes 15 years!!) they can't do better.

Moreover, the TGV is the faster train of the world in commercial use for average speed on great distance (Lille-Marseille).

The TGV can be used on 5 different networks, with 5 different electric supply system.

For example, the Thalys train can go on conventional routes in France+TGV+belgium+german+nederland networks.

That make the shinkansen is just like a conventional train on these point.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~pschokk/tgv/thalys/4345Ellecom.jpg

^^

There is a logical and simple reason why TGV has lokomotives and the Shinkansen doesn't. Shinkansen is a much bigger train, with a higher floor than the TGV. In Shinkansen they could fit all the traction equipment under the train, In the TGV there was no space under the carriages. The TGV had to be smaller because it doesn't run solely on new tracks but uses older tracks to with a small loading gauge. They also decided on a articulated design for the carriages to minimise weight. Back in the days it was not possible to have powered articulated bogies. Powercars where needed to fit the traction equipment, like all other real High Speed Trains until the ICE 3.
You have to remember that the basic TGV was designed back in the late seventies. Today traction equipment is much more compact and can therefore be fitted under a (European) normal sized train.

TGV maybe have a lot of useless space, but it was necessary to allow high speed rail travel in Europe.

Sure! :)
And for example that's why the TGV Duplex use a lots of new materials to reduce it's load. That was a great challenge, too.

This is stupid patriotism. Don't the Shinkansen and ICE need locomotives, too ?
Give us technical reasons to justify the so-called "inferiority" of TGV. It's still the fastest conventional train, with 515km/h.
Isn't Shinkansen far from this, with "only" 350km/h ?


http://simtrains.skyblog.com/pics/223810198_small.jpghttp://www.fluidlab.naoe.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/heritage/2001yaku/TGV01.jpg

Ehm, no. The ICE doesn't have the typical locomotive at the front of the train, if I remember correctly it's powered by several modules that are scattered all across the train.

Anyway, the ICE is an engineering feat while the TGV is just another fast train. It's still impressive though.

The conventional wheels system used on Shinkansen JR 500 for exemple are very dangerous if the train go out of the tracks (that was the main innovation for TGV's in 1981).


You should think of the fact that Shinkansen has the safety record since its inauguration. Even when Cyuetsu Earthquake hit Jouetsu Shinkansen last year, no passengers were injured thanks to the advanced derailment prevention rail system. It makes a beautiful contrast to ICE's miserable derailment in 1998.


D'ont forget that in the 80's japanee's enginner thought it was physicaly impossible to go faster than 500km/h on steel/steel. And since 15 years (yes 15 years!!) they can't do better.


quite beside the point.
Japanese engineers have made up world's fastest maglev, instead.
At that time Japan had already accomplished by far the best high speed rail network in the world. That is, they had brought home the bacon. Why did they need to run the rat race? For them, it was much more important to develop the new technologies of maglev rather than to devote themselves in conventional trains .

Japan's MLX01-901, world's fastest train (581kmph)
http://www.pref.yamanashi.jp/linear/images/kids/shikumi/shikumi41.jpg

Does France have any technologies of this?


Yes, the TGV run "only" at 320km/h for a 515km/h record.
The Shinkansen plan to go 360km/h for a 405km/h record.... That's why the TGV is pretty more safety in my opinion.


wrong data and all too simple

now TGV runs at 320km/h for 515km/h record
now Shinkansen runs at 300km/h for 443km/h (by JR Tokai. 405km/h was by JR East)

Of course I meant the silly cars which have no passenger seats. Unlike the TGV the Shinkansen has very little useless space.
Maybe you are right.
But, for safety reasons, I prefer to have a locomotive at the front of the train. What could happen if a truck fall down on the track just in front of the train ?

TGV lost space at both end but win spaces between coachs. Wheels are not at end of each coach but between coachs: it's a better way for safety too.

Of course, it's possible to put motor under the train. But, if you do that, the floor is highter and:
- you can't build a 2 desks train.
- access is difficult for people using wheelchairs.

the ice doesn´t have an locomotive

http://www.heinzalbers.org/images/ice3kln.jpg

The ICE 3 is a EMU set...

As with the DD stock, YES , you can install the motors under the carriage as with Sydney trains! And the newer Sydney M and T stock has Air Conditioning as well...

So pigs may fly...

Originally Posted by TipNTop
D'ont forget that in the 80's japanee's enginner thought it was physicaly impossible to go faster than 500km/h on steel/steel. And since 15 years (yes 15 years!!) they can't do better.

Jap engineers of course considered it impossible without the primitive way to use locomotives. They can afford to reach the record of 515 km/h with the primitive way.

"Primitive" is a subjective statement. What's primitive using a locomotive if in the end it leads to better performances?
So beware your childish judgements ("silly", "idiot", "primitive"..) towards foreign technology, or get banned.

By the way, next gen TGV (called AGV) doesn't use power cars, and it's not a "shinkansen copycat" as you said.
Come on, how old are you ?

"Primitive" is a subjective statement. What's primitive using a locomotive if in the end it leads to better performances?
So beware your childish judgements ("silly", "idiot", "primitive"..) towards foreign technology, or get banned.

By the way, next gen TGV (called AGV) doesn't use power cars, and it's not a "shinkansen copycat" as you said.
Come on, how old are you ?

Guys just chill! LOL ... Perhaps it's a matter of personal opinion, but the final product is determined by the engineers. What factors the engineers favour will be up to them, we don't have the final say!

Why can't we just enjoy the speed and comforts of HSR, regardless of the type, the model. The main thing is it helps to remove individual vehicles that are causing higher CO2 emissions and meets other environmental objectives as well as being a great people mover!

Experimental trainset 300X reached 443km/h at 26 July 1996. Fastech 360 has maximum speed 405km/h and not 360km/h. All these technologies(France's, Germany's, Japan's, Italy's ) have advantages and disadvantages , the best choice depends of the nature of operation. For example shinkansen cannot run in conventional lines with grade crossings as the TGV do in France because of safety reasons , TGV power cars features crash zones because of this. On the other hand , shinkansen is a very light aluminium construction without articulation and run on HSL only . The advantages are low energy consumption and low axle load , the latter is very importand for keeping the track maintance costs low. Unfortunately, high speed records are in nobodies interest nowadays, tight competition prevent any ambitious goal. Fastech I thing it is capable for breaking the record but most importand is if Japanese want it.

Experimental trainset 300X reached 443km/h at 26 July 1996. Fastech 360 has maximum speed 405km/h and not 360km/h. All these technologies(France's, Germany's, Japan's, Italy's ) have advantages and disadvantages , the best choice depends of the nature of operation. For example shinkansen cannot run in conventional lines with grade crossings as the TGV do in France because of safety reasons , TGV power cars features crash zones because of this. On the other hand , shinkansen is a very light aluminium construction without articulation and run on HSL only . The advantages are low energy consumption and low axle load , the latter is very importand for keeping the track maintance costs low. Unfortunately, high speed records are in nobodies interest nowadays, tight competition prevent any ambitious goal. Fastech I thing it is capable for breaking the record but most importand is if Japanese want it.


Well said....


:okay:

Experimental trainset 300X reached 443km/h at 26 July 1996. Fastech 360 has maximum speed 405km/h and not 360km/h. All these technologies(France's, Germany's, Japan's, Italy's ) have advantages and disadvantages , the best choice depends of the nature of operation. For example shinkansen cannot run in conventional lines with grade crossings as the TGV do in France because of safety reasons , TGV power cars features crash zones because of this. On the other hand , shinkansen is a very light aluminium construction without articulation and run on HSL only . The advantages are low energy consumption and low axle load , the latter is very importand for keeping the track maintance costs low. Unfortunately, high speed records are in nobodies interest nowadays, tight competition prevent any ambitious goal. Fastech I thing it is capable for breaking the record but most importand is if Japanese want it.

Akita Shinkansen trains Tokyo - Akita run on the old line between Morioka and Akita so they can go into the old line from the HSL at Morioka sta. Also Yamagata Shinkansen Tokyo - Shinjo has the old line between Fukushima and Shinjo, so Shinkansen doesn't have any disadvantages. Don't make demagoguery. You're eviler than General Kim of North Korea.

Experimental trainset 300X reached 443km/h at 26 July 1996. Fastech 360 has maximum speed 405km/h and not 360km/h. All these technologies(France's, Germany's, Japan's, Italy's ) have advantages and disadvantages , the best choice depends of the nature of operation. For example shinkansen cannot run in conventional lines with grade crossings as the TGV do in France because of safety reasons , TGV power cars features crash zones because of this. On the other hand , shinkansen is a very light aluminium construction without articulation and run on HSL only . The advantages are low energy consumption and low axle load , the latter is very importand for keeping the track maintance costs low.

That's true: each technology own its advantages/disavantanges. But somethings which seems to be disavantages contribute to perform a choice:

TGV weight contribute to give it a great cinetic energy. That's why the power supply is just stopped for about 1/3 of its route (the barman can't heat anything during this period) to save energy. What about the Shinkansen?

This cinetic energy make the TGV can climb a 3.5-4% slop at 300km/h! You can see that if your go From Paris to Lyon:

(sorrry, these are old pictures!)
http://64.246.11.82/images/t/TGVpse.jpg.15954.jpg

http://www.hasea.com/pic/gaosu/pic055.jpg

http://www.web-trains.com/duplex/duplex_29.jpg

TGV Duplex is a full aluminium construction, too

http://www.web-trains.com/duplex/duplex_25.jpg

Fastech I thing it is capable for breaking the record but most importand is if Japanese want it.

Do you want my opinion after reading this forum? They really want it, right now! :)

They really want it, right now! :)
Maybe 'they' know better what they want themselves?

Anyway, for me for me average speed, punctuality, interior facilities and a good safety record is more important that test run speeds and peak speeds. Shinkansen excels in most of these cases.

Dump some cargo into a lightweight train and it also got increased cinetic energy. However it will always mean increased energy loss everytime it accelerates. I find it hard to believe the overall energy use will be lower with a heavier train... especially if the train is supposed to service many stations along the route.

Akita Shinkansen trains Tokyo - Akita run on the old line between Morioka and Akita so they can go into the old line from the HSL at Morioka sta. Also Yamagata Shinkansen Tokyo - Shinjo has the old line between Fukushima and Shinjo, so Shinkansen doesn't have any disadvantages. Don't make demagoguery. You're eviler than General Kim of North Korea.

How could you compare me with Gen. Kim of N. Korea without knowing me. I tried to make things more simple giving an example , probably it isn't the best example but it is impossimple to cover all aspects of railroading within a few rows. I didn't write something wrong . Lets compare 2 trainsets , 700 series which runs only on HSL and E3 series which run on both HSL and conventional. 700 series dimensions are 27.35m length & 3.38m width for end cars and 25m length & 3.38m width for intermediate cars. E3 series dimensions are 23.075m length & 2.945m width for end cars and 20.5m length & 2.945m width for intermediate cars. 700 series car's weight are about 40t , E3 car's weight are between 40.6-46.4t. My source: http://www.h2.dion.ne.jp/~dajf/byunbyun/

It is obvious that E3 series is heavier despite the smaller dimensions.Why is that? I agree with you, shinkansen has no disadvantages (for me not UIC and FRA crashworthiness standards) . I believe that taking measures to prevent an accident have better overall results in safety (and performance) than designing tanks on rails ready to crash everything in case of an accident. IMO Japanese are on the right track for higher commercial speeds not record runs, because high speeds need lightweight construction and low noise emissions .
What am I making? <<Demagoguery>> I only express my opinion , if you know something more share it with us .

TGV is ugly anyway.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/2799/15or2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6931/28xb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5770/31jb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8094/44fh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:)

IMHO, the best train is the ICE. interiors are marvellous, especially the first and business class. and i sincerally prefer trains with spread power like the famous pendolino (ETR450-460-470-480).

TGV is an old train and despite the recent restyling of the interior, the space organization remains the same. the second class is very narrow.
and in the oldest TGV the soundproofing is not good as in the past.that's because a lot of trains are more than 15 years old.
I like very much the TGV duplex instead. i love staying in the upper deck.
last two times i went from Turin to Paris with tgv, i used the TGV duplex from Paris to nice ville for the return trip. and then i caught another train from Nice to Cuneo (90km from Turin).that was a regional train but the landscape inside the valleys is superb.and then the last train to Turin.

that's a bit OT but in italy have been opened the Turin-Novara (40km from milan) and Rome-Naples high speed lines with a commercial speed of 300km/h with ETR500 trains and ERTMS-ETCS level 2 signal system. don't forget there is also the "old" Florence-Rome (major part opened in 1976) with a commercial speed of 250 km/h.
the speed record in italy is 350.8 km/h done with a normal ETR500 train on the Turin-Novara high speed line
Italy is the first country to use the new european system signal on a high speed line. Spain tried to use it few years ago on the first part of Madrid-Barcelona but there were to many problems to implemet it and now trains go only at 200 km/h with a traditional signal system.

Don´t forget spanish high speed technology...

Spain TALGO 102 , "the duck".

Commercial speed: 350 km/h :cheers:


LINK: The Railfaneurope.net Picture Gallery (http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/pix.html)

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/Las_Matas/AVE-102_Las_Matas_1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/Zaragoza/102_006-020305.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/Zaragoza/AVE-102_Zaragoza_1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/misc/AVE-102_Arandiga_1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/misc/D-1600-33.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/misc/AVE201_LaInvierna.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/model/Talgo_350-1470.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/model/Talgo_350-1470.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/model/Talgo_350-1471.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/102-Talgo350/model/Talgo_350-1471.jpg

it's not correct.
the project speed of the high speed line madrid-barcelona (actually limited to lerida) is 350 km/h with ERTMS level 2 signal system but there were many difficulties to put it in operation.
so actually speed is limited to 200km/h with traditional ASFA signal system.
at the beginning the madrid-sevilla were opened with a speed of 250 km/h, then increased at 270 km/h and in some parts at 300km/h.
madrid-toledo (which use a part of the madrid-sevilla line) is entirely at 300km/h.
both lines use LZB german signal system.
only in spain there is the AVE super-bonus: after 5 minutes of late the ticket is completely refunded. :eek:

it's not correct.
the project speed of level 2 signal system but there were many difficulties to put it in operation.
so actually speed is limited to 200km/h with traditional ASFA signal system.
at the beginning the madrid-sevilla were opened with a speed of 250 km/h, then increased at 270 km/h and in some parts at 300km/h.
madrid-toledo (which use a part of the madrid-sevilla line) is entirely at 300km/h.
both lines use LZB german signal system.
only in spain there is the AVE super-bonus: after 5 minutes of late the ticket is completely refunded. :eek:

It´s correct. :yes:

The high speed line Madrid-Barcelona [Madrid-Lérida now] is 350 km/h with ERTMS. It will be soon. In few months.

Yes. Actually speed is limited to 200km/h with traditional ASFA signal system. Provisionally.

System ERTMS 2 [the future unified European system of signaling and control] will be operative for the first time in Europe in the line Madrid-Barcelona.

Some more ICE pics: :)

In Frankfurt:

http://www.ronge-profil.de/frankfurt/image/Bahnhof.jpg
http://michaeltaylor.ca/Stations/FRA-mt.jpg
http://mosa.ikfox.de/bilder/166_6653.JPG
http://www.travelnotes.de/planes/germany/pfraba01.jpg
http://www.travelnotes.de/planes/germany/pfraba03.jpg
http://www.gleis4.de/assets/images/db_images/db_Bild_4461.jpg
http://www.gleis4.de/assets/images/db_images/db_Bild_4471.jpg
http://www.gleis4.de/assets/images/db_images/db_Bild_4131.jpg
ICE1
http://www.gleis4.de/assets/images/db_images/db_Bild_4401.jpg
in Hamburg:
http://www.gleis4.de/assets/images/db_images/db_Bild_0131.jpg

I found a nice shot of Frankfurt HBF

http://www.lemis.org/bilder/frankfurt04/images/LEMI-Treffen%20-%20%200014.JPG

ICE 3 in action ;)

http://www.ice-fanpage.de/bilder/desktop/ice3_nbs02_800.jpg
http://www.ice-fanpage.de/bilder/desktop/fuldatb_800.jpg

in switzerland:

http://www.ice-fanpage.de/bilder/desktop/ice1_schweiz800.jpg
just found a pic of this new asltom trainset. looks a bit weird
http://www.greulich.de/Hobby/Bus___Bahn/index/BT_2001_Minden/Lirex1.jpg
in Cologne:
http://www.heinzalbers.org/images/ice3.jpg
in munich:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ny8h-ky/db-page/db-photo/ice-tphoto19.jpg
http://www.300km-h.net/main/fotos/ice/ice3/koeln1.jpg
train linkup
http://www.300km-h.net/main/fotos/ice/ice3/kuppeln4.jpg
http://www.300km-h.net/main/fotos/ice/ice3/mervine3.jpg

i like very much the railway tradition in germany. it reflects the regard that german people have to this means of transporting.

I prefer the ICE trains. They're a bit quicker IRRC, I think they are great looking and they are very comfortable.
The TGV has it's history though, and I like the classic design.
The Shinkansen doesn't look elegant, the nose isn't nice. But I've never actually travelled on one.
They basically have everything they should really. I've only been travelling with ICE3's - only those actually go here.

For the person asking for a map of the ICE network:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3982/icekarte9lf.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icekarte9lf.jpg)

The amazing Japanese Shinkansen....


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The new to come


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nice pics, but sorry sdtj, I still like ICE more. The only decent looking shinkansen is the 500 and even then Id prefer Ice 3. Aerodynamics isnt everything in appearance...

Sorry mr storms but I like the shinkansen more and their service is unequal anywhere.... Most of the people here agree with that that...

The ICE to me looks more like a subway...

^^It is a matter of taste...
;)

Exactly... But the Japanese have far more models to like....


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http://homepage1.nifty.com/imotawa2/shinkansen/500.jpg



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;)

The Shinkansen are definitely the longest of all the highspeed trains.This is due to the collosal numbers of people they have to carry.

Two weeks ago I boarded the 500 series bound for Osaka from Tokyo.The trains came every 10 mins!!! that is amazing! And the carriges were 14 in length!!

Awesome pics, Checker! Is it the Frankfurt Airport Fernbahnhof in the first couple of pics?

Great Shinkansen pics, too, guys.

The Shinkansen are definitely the longest of all the highspeed trains.This is due to the collosal numbers of people they have to carry.

Two weeks ago I boarded the 500 series bound for Osaka from Tokyo.The trains came every 10 mins!!! that is amazing! And the carriges were 14 in length!!

Yeah, 14 carriages in lenght is interessant, but there are 18 on Eurostars trains:
http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib019/EUROSTAR.JPG

...and most of the Duplex TGV on the Lyon-Paris line are switched like this one:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fr/electric/emu/TGV/Duplex/Coubert/Duplex-1-SN.jpg

With 516 passengers/trains, that's about 1032 passengers who travel together. This one was designed because of the traffic on this line (1 train each 2 or 3 minutes).

Those are the train schedule of Shinkansen departure from Tokyo station.
I guess it is somewhat crazily overscheduling....
How do you think about?
And average error was 6 sec( not min ) 2003.

2004.10.23 we had severe earth quakes in Niigata.
This earth quakes had 6 Japanese degree strength.
But the accelerated velocity of this earthquake is 846gal and is larger than 616 gal at the earthquake in Kobe.
Shinkansen system has the measure against earthquakes that after P wave detection,　power transmission is stopped before S wave and automatically the stoppage system works in 2,3 sec.
The train derailment was caused but no injury and casuallties.
After that, new system is developping now.
In Niigata case, emergency stop from 210km was worked...




Tokaido/Sanyo line
http://www.jreast-timetable.jp/0602/timetable/tt1039/1039010.html

Tohoku line
http://www.jreast-timetable.jp/0602/timetable/tt1039/1039020.html

Akita line
http://www.jreast-timetable.jp/0602/timetable/tt1039/1039030.html

Yamagata line
http://www.jreast-timetable.jp/0602/timetable/tt1039/1039040.html

Jouetsu line
http://www.jreast-timetable.jp/0602/timetable/tt1039/1039050.html

Nagano line
http://www.jreast-timetable.jp/0602/timetable/tt1039/1039060.html

I've been lucky enough to travel on the TVG, Eurostar, ICE and Shinkansen. The shinkansen is the best in every category. Punctuality, reliability, security, size of seats, customer service, frequency. And you can spin the seats around :)

The bullet train has this air of invulnerability about it... they just feel so well built, so perfect. Anyone who's been on a shinkansen in Japan will know what I'm talking about.

the double TGV duplex is wonderful!!

A nice pic of a first gen TGV:
http://www.hiboox.com/images/806/c3hgy-i.jpg

Could make a nice avatar :)

Japanese trains may be the best, but the Internet service in English isn't nice..Same goes for SNCF.

Awesome pics, Checker! Is it the Frankfurt Airport Fernbahnhof in the first couple of pics?

Great Shinkansen pics, too, guys.

Thx!

Yes, the first couple of pics show the airport trainstation

I've been lucky enough to travel on the TVG, Eurostar, ICE and Shinkansen. The shinkansen is the best in every category. Punctuality, reliability, security, size of seats, customer service, frequency. And you can spin the seats around :)

The bullet train has this air of invulnerability about it... they just feel so well built, so perfect. Anyone who's been on a shinkansen in Japan will know what I'm talking about.

:yes: :yes: :yes:

No one does it quite like the Japanese. And they've been doing it for 40+ years.

Bye the way... Alsthom is now working on:
- The 4th generation of the TGV (called "AGV"), designed for french and italian market (commercial speed: 350km/h):

http://www.hiboox.com/images/806/8gn5c80.jpg

- The 2nd generation of TGV Duplex, with 17 carriages instead of 2x8.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315336

^^The correct name for the company is ALSTOM, without H.
;)
Nice train, BTW.
:happy:

The Shinkansen are definitely the longest of all the highspeed trains.This is due to the collosal numbers of people they have to carry.

Two weeks ago I boarded the 500 series bound for Osaka from Tokyo.The trains came every 10 mins!!! that is amazing! And the carriges were 14 in length!!

The total carriages of 500 series are 16. :)

Yeah, 14 carriages in lenght is interessant, but there are 18 on Eurostars trains:
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...and most of the Duplex TGV on the Lyon-Paris line are switched like this one:
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With 516 passengers/trains, that's about 1032 passengers who travel together. This one was designed because of the traffic on this line (1 train each 2 or 3 minutes).

Get real, the locomotives at both end cannot count in for passengers usage, how can anyone count that into the total useable carriages.

Try find a conductor/rail operator doing his/their introduction of the train counting the loco together. :sleepy:

From that, the Eurostar is still 16 cars long, when you count the passengers usable carriages.

When Series 200(10 cars) and Series 400/Series E3 type 1000(7 cars) coupled together, they are 17 cars worth for passengers.

When 2 E4 sets coupled together, they can carries 1634 passengers.
Duplex still short for some 602 passengers. :cheers:

Botton line? Shinkansen is a mass transit high speed network. Period.

More Shinkansen..........

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From the news department today, Fastech 360 S from JR East hits 368km/h 12mins after departure from Sendai station with the media onboard.

The offical top speed of it is 398km/h.

Amazing......

Unconfirmed news and sneak photos from 2ch reveals type E955, Fastech 360 Z, the sister of Fastech 360 S have finished the body work and installing equipments in the builder's yard.

It'd looks like JR East wants to shoot 405km/h after Z is in place at this rate.

On the other side, series N700 past it's 1st 100000km test run. The featured airbag tilting system(allows of 1 degree of tilt angle) is doing better then expected. The streamlined body brings the operating power lower then their flagship series 700.

TGV and ICE must start facing the aerodynamic noise problem by now. A big disadvantage from Shinkansen whom dealing it for almost some 40 years. Japan had the tough law against noise pollution of no larger than 70dB is recorded when measured 25m after the tracks in residential areas.
As a sidenote, KTX(as you may know a TGV cousin) was recorded 91dB in the same test condition.

I'd heard that some new LGVs or high speed line in Europe had to install sound barriers.

:eek2::eek2:
Amazing!!
:eek:
They have changed a lot, since I went to Japan in 2001.
:runaway:

JR East gives fastest train on rails test run for media
02/03/2006

East Japan Railway Co. unveiled its newest model shinkansen, the Fastech, to the media during a test run Wednesday.
The Fastech, designed to be the world's fastest train riding on rails, reached 366 kph during the test run. JR East plans to operate the train at 360 kph beginning in 2011, when the Tohoku Shinkansen Line, which currently links Tokyo and Hachinohe, Aomori Prefecture, will be extended northward to Shin-Aomori Station.
The Fastech, which started test runs last June, has traveled a total of 30,000 km. It reached a speed of 398 kph last August.
The test car, which left JR Sendai Station shortly after midnight Tuesday, surpassed the maximum speed of 275 kph for the Tohoku Shinkansen Line and accelerated to 366 kph by the time it passed JR Kurikoma Kogen Station in the Miyagi Prefecture.
The test car shook somewhat as the train exceeded 300 kph.
A JR spokesman said further improvements are planned.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20060302a5.html

Ok here are some more ICE 3 pics: :) :)

NBS Cologne-Frankfurt:

http://www.ice-fansite.de/galerie/data/media/15/ICE_Idstein.jpg
http://www.ice-fansite.com/galerie/data/media/15/PICT0014.sized.jpg
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http://www.wdr.de/themen/verkehr/schiene/verspaetung/_img/ice_koeln_frankfurt_400q.jpg
http://www.ice-fanpage.de/bilder/desktop/ice3_nbs02_800.jpg
http://www.arch21.org/Galleries/Galleries-Images/2.jpg
http://www.ksta.de/ks/images/mdsBild/1107445098999l.jpg
http://home.rz-online.de/~hwinkens/icef.jpg

interior:

http://mayhem-chaos.net/photoblog/images/ice3_cockpit.jpg
http://home.istar.ca/~axelh/news/icinnen.gif

ICE in munich:

http://dheera.net/photos/europe2005/bayern/munchen_hauptbahnhofice.jpg

in Stuttgart:

http://www.eisenbahnwelten.de/pics/gb_cisic.jpg

getting treatment in the garage ;)
http://www.geo.de/GEOlino/wissenschaft_technik/2005_08_GEOlino_ice3/auto_01_popup.jpg

More AGV Pictures
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_1.jpg
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_3.jpg
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_4.jpg
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_5.jpg
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_6.jpg
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_7.jpg
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_8.jpg
http://www.web-trains.com/agv/agv_9.jpg

Eurostar traveling at high speed.
http://www.traintesting.com/images/Down%20Eurostar%20CTRL%2018-2.JPG
http://www.traintesting.com/images/Up%20service%20-%20Boardley%20Farm%208-3-04s.jpg
http://www.traintesting.com/images/Up%20service%20-%20Medway%20Bridge%208-3-04s.jpg

I thought the AGV was a joint effort between Alstom and Siemens to replace the TGV and the ICE...what happened to the partnership?

The Next Generation of Japanese high-speed trains.

Fastech 360

type E954-1 (streamline nose)
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http://www.hobidas.com/blog/special05/archives/001.jpg
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/fastech/f360-002.jpg
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022211.jpg
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022229.jpg
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022219.jpg

type E954-8 (arrowline nose)
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022220.jpg

http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022213.jpg

http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022235.jpg
Retractable cat's ears (for the emergency air-brake system)
http://drervin.com/Fastech%20360S%20%20East%20Japan%20RR%206%20diff%20nose%203.jpg
These "nekomimi" ears pop-out from these compartments/storage areas
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022221.jpg

Pantograph shield
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/02022222.jpg

Fastech cockpit (the next generation)
http://www.iwanichi.co.jp/iwanichi01/photo/05_06_27_sinkansen/untendai.jpg

And now...........

the newest member of the Fastech train family makes its world debut.

THE NEW FASTECH TYPE E-955 SERIES

http://gfaz.hp.infoseek.co.jp/kawazyu2006/3gatu4.jpg

Type E955, aka Fastech 360 Z, is designed to run the direct service bewteen old line and shinkansen line.

It'll have two type of nose, 13m and 16m long respectively.

I like the one with this nose better... Amazing train...


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WOW the painting is amazing!!

I like the one with this nose better... Amazing train...


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I expect nothing less from your taste. :applause:

Most trainspotters in Japan also like that style including me. :cheers:

JR Tokai and JR West had made their final decision on the final spec for the now testing series N700 yesterday.

One thing makes series N700 cooler is it saves 19% more enegry than current flagship series 700.
Sayonara, power greedy TGV and ICE. :)

Smoking compartments is in place for smokers, no smoking in the carriage for N700. :)

It also have power sockets for every seat and planned to have wireless internet access.

Alright guys, seat tight, relax, and enjoy the hot photos of type E955 Fastech 360 Z press preview photos from a Japanese blogger:

http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e955_fc24.html

Sideview of car 11 to 16
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e9551.html
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e9552.html
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e9553.html
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e9554.html
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e9555.html
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e9556.html

The pantogragph close ups
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e955_175e.html

The "car ears(nekomimi)" aero brakes
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e955_f6d1.html

Finally, E954 and E955 doing their coupling test
http://noriyuki.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/04/e954e955_3c72.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp0M8tnPP98
Shinkansen movie. It's so cool! A driver looks like the pilot.

Shinkansen are really completely automated except for the moments when the train pulls into the station. One time a driver on a train going from the yard to Tokyo station left the cabin to get his hat that he left behind in the middle of the train somewhere. The train was a minute late, but no damage done.

There is an official Fastech 360 merchandise available in Japan. :)
http://www32.ocn.ne.jp/~ivynet/lineup002.htm

Shinkansen are really completely automated except for the moments when the train pulls into the station. One time a driver on a train going from the yard to Tokyo station left the cabin to get his hat that he left behind in the middle of the train somewhere. The train was a minute late, but no damage done.

I saw a movie that Shinkansen driver, the train brake automatically from Top speed (Up to 300Km/h) to 70Km/h. Train enters station at about 70Km/h.
Then driver stops the train by hand.

Shinkansen are really completely automated except for the moments when the train pulls into the station. One time a driver on a train going from the yard to Tokyo station left the cabin to get his hat that he left behind in the middle of the train somewhere. The train was a minute late, but no damage done.

Yes, no damage but i believe that the driver was fired for being a minute late.

I like the one with this nose better... Amazing train...


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This train looks awesome and very alien. I can see this train travel fast but the other fastech train with the big nose looks kinda heavy, how is that suppose to reduce drag?

One of the difficulties to run train fast, is annoying impact of dashing train against tunnel (sharp report rises from another end of tunnel). They tried many shape of nose and they finally found that volume of the noise depends mostly on the length of nose. so this train has such long nose.

nice pics, but sorry sdtj, I still like ICE more. The only decent looking shinkansen is the 500 and even then Id prefer Ice 3. Aerodynamics isnt everything in appearance...

The ice look horrific in a styling sense and very boring. They are not even up-to-date as far as industrial design is concerned. All the ICE trains look revolting and exhibit similar aesthetic flaws. The later ones with their bubbly rounded nose and the curve of the windows are just plain wrong - i get a very uneasy feeling when looking at them.

Some of the Shinkansen trains may not be super stunning either but they are orginal, I like all of them myself but I can see how some of their quirky design may put people off. However, the 500 is like a flawless jewel, it is simply the best looking standard train in the world and most agree.

The ice look horrific in a styling sense and very boring. They are not even up-to-date as far as industrial design is concerned. All the ICE trains look revolting and exhibit similar aesthetic flaws. The later ones with their bubbly rounded nose and the curve of the windows are just plain wrong - i get a very uneasy feeling when looking at them.

Some of the Shinkansen trains may not be super stunning either but they are orginal, I like all of them myself but I can see how some of their quirky design may put people off. However, the 500 is like a flawless jewel, it is simply the best looking standard train in the world and most agree.
I disagree, but its just a matter preference I guess
http://www.ice-fanpage.de/bilder/desktop/ice3_nbs01_1024.jpg
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I'm sorry but to me the ICE looks so Ordinary, it could pass for a tram or a subway ... Matter of taste

The ice look horrific in a styling sense and very boring. They are not even up-to-date as far as industrial design is concerned. All the ICE trains look revolting and exhibit similar aesthetic flaws. The later ones with their bubbly rounded nose and the curve of the windows are just plain wrong - i get a very uneasy feeling when looking at them.

Some of the Shinkansen trains may not be super stunning either but they are orginal, I like all of them myself but I can see how some of their quirky design may put people off. However, the 500 is like a flawless jewel, it is simply the best looking standard train in the world and most agree.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Anyways I think ICE3 is original theres no other train that looks like it. Its curvy and bubbly design make this train unque. To me ICE3 has a classy feel to it and the design won't be dated quick. ICE3 matches a classy lady, or business men better whereas the shinkansen are more like young teenagers,students,fashion and trendy people.

So nice.

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This is nicer

http://www.kyukeiren.or.jp/english/newsletter/no23/special/03b.jpg

http://www.scoweb.de/Japan2004/Alltag_Japan/images/09%20Shinkansen.jpg

http://www2r.biglobe.ne.jp/~rokumaru/japan/railway/bullet/imgl07.jpg

http://www.scoweb.de/Japan2004/Highlights/images/Kyushu-Shinkansen.jpg

http://www.kamoda.com/album/archives/kyus3.jpg

They all are...

Great trains in Japan!!
:drool::drool:

Isn't TGV cheaper to build and maintain!

^

WOW.. what an enlightment....

The ice look horrific in a styling sense and very boring. They are not even up-to-date as far as industrial design is concerned.

Really? Can you back your claim up by giving some examples?

I think the ICE 3 is at the very edge of design and its also quite sophisticated technology wise.
The train engine for example is situated in separate moduls under each carriage, which gives much more space in the train for passengers.

The passengers can sit right behind the cockpit:

http://mayhem-chaos.net/photoblog/images/ice3_cockpit.jpg
http://www.ksta.de/ks/images/mdsBild/1107445098999l.jpg

whereas in other trainsets you have a heavy locomotive that pulls the rest of the train along:

http://www.traintesting.com/images/Up%20service%20-%20Boardley%20Farm%208-3-04s.jpg

I guess thats also one of the reasons why the ICE3 reminds some people of a tram.
the only difference is, that this tram goes faster than 300km/h

The Japanese trains are so typical. Ugly and tacky.

Really? Can you back your claim up by giving some examples?

I think the ICE 3 is at the very edge of design and its also quite sophisticated technology wise.
The train engine for example is situated in separate moduls under each carriage, which gives much more space in the train for passengers.

The passengers can sit right behind the cockpit:

http://mayhem-chaos.net/photoblog/images/ice3_cockpit.jpg
http://www.ksta.de/ks/images/mdsBild/1107445098999l.jpg

whereas in other trainsets you have a heavy locomotive that pulls the rest of the train along:

http://www.traintesting.com/images/Up%20service%20-%20Boardley%20Farm%208-3-04s.jpg

I guess thats also one of the reasons why the ICE3 reminds some people of a tram.
the only difference is, that this tram goes faster than 300km/h
The shinkansen uses EMU as well, it just has a different design than ICE...

whereas in other trainsets you have a heavy locomotive that pulls the rest of the train along:

http://www.traintesting.com/images/Up%20service%20-%20Boardley%20Farm%208-3-04s.jpg

The Eurostar sets are EMUs (electric multiple units) too, not loco-hauled... However, in the UK passengers are prohibited by law from travelling in the first "carriage" of any train travelling over 160km/h.

The Eurostar sets are EMUs (electric multiple units) too, not loco-hauled... However, in the UK passengers are prohibited by law from travelling in the first "carriage" of any train travelling over 160km/h.
As I understand it Eurostars are not actually true EMUs, but are simply classified that way

"Fastech" on trial run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiEv-Cxh0U

I'm sorry but to me the ICE looks so Ordinary, it could pass for a tram or a subway ... Matter of taste

Ever travelled in one ?

The Japanese trains are so typical. Ugly and tacky.


You need see an eye doctor.

I like Maglev. Shanghai to Pudong int. airport.
Track is long 30km (19 mile). Speed max. 431 km/h (270 mph).
The train takes 7 minutes and 20 seconds to complete the journey
http://www.analyskritik.press.se/Framtidvision/transrapid-filer/image002.jpg
http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch1en/conc1en/img/maglevshanghai.jpg http://www.chinaculture.org/img/2004-09/08/xinsrc_2109010815021120202136.jpg
http://www.monorails.org/webpix%202/Shang02.jpg

Maglev is so ugly and intrusive on the landscape.

Maglev is so ugly and intrusive on the landscape.
Maglev is future train and his speed is amazing.

270 mph; now that's cookin'. Now as far as the looks, I think it is OK. As an American depending on the freeways, I would take anything.

I like the ICE because I live in Germany :). Exactly in Ingolstadt where the new ICE line to Nuremberg was completed in May. The trains can drive as fast as 300 km/h now (sorry, I don't know how much it is in mph).

My vote is for Talgo 350. This train is operated by Renfe Operadora in the "AVE" service.

The train made by Talgo with electrical parts designed by Bombardier (ex-AdTranz).

- Maximum speed: 350 km/h.
- Electrical input: 25 kV, 50 Hz.
- UIC track gauge (1435 mm.).
- Power: 8000 kw.

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/DSC03531.JPG

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/coyop1000017b.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/nuevas/SM-102Plaza2.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/jiedsc_0241.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/jiedsc_0713.JPG

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/jiedsc_0712.JPG

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/corraldepato.JPG

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/DSC05065.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/jiedsc_0242.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/lzr233_3353b.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/chPatoAtocha.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/jiedsc_0255.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_102/BCA0066.jpg

Yeah it's a good train, but ugly :(.

The Renfe Operadora has other trains for the "AVE" service.

Alstom based on TGV Atlantique

- Maximum speed: 300 km/h.
- Electrical input: 25 kV, 50 Hz (300km/h), 3 kV CC (220km/h)
- UIC track gauge (1435 mm.).
- Power: 8000 kw.

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/ave100/DSC03154.JPG

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/ave100/gtmr.belda_116.jpg



Siemens Velaro, previously called ICE-350E, based on ICE3

- Maximum speed: 350 km/h.
- Electrical input: 25 kV, 50 Hz.
- UIC track gauge (1435 mm.).
- Power: 8800 kw.

This train is in tests, will operate commercially in 2007.

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_103/lzr239_3976b.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_103/lzr239_3980b.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_103/JLL1030031.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_103/JMT0613_5975.jpg

http://www.tranvia.org/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/trenreal/renfe/el_av/av_103/DSC06192.JPG

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