Lets get stuck into the Old Cairns versus Townsville chestnut! So who is the fairest of them all in North Queensland? Is it lovely tropical Cairns or Industrail hell hole Townsville?.
So Come on Townsvillains lets have a debate. You guys managed to secure the North Queensland Cowboys, is that all that your tacky city has to offer?

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===============BRING IT ON TOWNSVILLE, COS CAIRNS AINT GONNA SIT BACK AND LET YOU RULE THE SHOW IN NQ==========================


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................no

Cairns is powered by tourism, wich will work in its favor for faster growth and more buildings quicker (hopefully), well this seems to work for Gold coast and sunshine coast :)
But Townsville is backed by the Government and its got a head start (lot bigger already)...

More important than scrapers, if u want to party GO CAIRNS :rock:

Townsville has the Brains - its the official capital as I see it.
Universities
Government offices
Corporate offices
Business
Army
Industrial Power

Cairns has the brawn - or beauty. International Playground!!
Hotels
Restaurants
Reef
Rainforest
Shopping

Well you know what I mean.

Its good that North Queensland doesn't mix Business with Pleasure.

jt

I'm all for a well considered and friendly discussion of the merits of Townsville and Cairns but not an all out war like you're proposing ferdinand. It's obvious you don't like Townsville so perhaps could elaborate on the reasons and say a bit more than "industrial hell hole"

In terms of skyline first of all, I think Cairns has more density where as Townsville has a lot more height. Cairns has a lot more low rise buildings, mainly hotels and the setting is better than Townsville - it is right on the water, with CBD highrises lining the Esplanade whereas Townsville's CBD is tucked away behind Melton Hill but on Ross Cr. It's kind of like comparing Brisbane and Gold Coast in that way. Townsville could really develop into a nice commercial CBD with glass office towers in (lots of) time whereas Cairns is probably going to be mostly balconies.

It's obvious you don't like Townsville so perhaps could elaborate on the reasons and say a bit more than "industrial hell hole"
Are tourists coming to Townsville to look and admire Townsville's Industrial disaster? or are they coming to look at natural attractions? maybe not! more like thier getting a second hand experience of the Great Barrier Reef via Townsville. As for the Industrial Hell Hole? take a look at Townsville, Industries here, there and every where, AT the rate Townsville's going our great barrier reef is at risk. Looks like nobody wanted to build on the land so Townsville City Council decided to Industrialize it. I couldnt picture a housing estate behind Cocoa-Cola Amatil or Pacific Toyota on Ingham Road, or adjacent to the ARMY BASE at Garbutt in the swamp cos the land is soo crappy but hang on they could turn the swamp (on Ingham Road) into a residential canal estate! there you have it Townsville's first Residential estate canal right in amongst Industrial Garbutt-Mt Lousia-Bohle or whatever the suburb's name is.

Cairns, because they play Aussie Rules.

Are tourists coming to Townsville to look and admire Townsville's Industrial disaster? or are they coming to look at natural attractions? maybe not! more like thier getting a second hand experience of the Great Barrier Reef via Townsville. As for the Industrial Hell Hole? take a look at Townsville, Industries here, there and every where, AT the rate Townsville's going our great barrier reef is at risk. Looks like nobody wanted to build on the land so Townsville City Council decided to Industrialize it. I couldnt picture a housing estate behind Cocoa-Cola Amatil or Pacific Toyota on Ingham Road, or adjacent to the ARMY BASE at Garbutt in the swamp cos the land is soo crappy but hang on they could turn the swamp (on Ingham Road) into a residential canal estate! there you have it Townsville's first Residential estate canal right in amongst Industrial Garbutt-Mt Lousia-Bohle or whatever the suburb's name is.

I think Townsville's industries are exciting - but I like stuff like that.
I mean take the port expansion - biggest reclamation in Australia outside the Port of Brisbane!!!
There are literally BILLIONS of dollars worth of infrastructure going into industry in Townsville.

As for natural setting - I do LOVE Castle Hill especially when its lit up at night. The strand rocks too!! Oh yeah - doesn't Townsville get more sunshine.

I love Cairns too.

Two great Australian cities both of them - glad they are in Queensland.
jt

Ferdinand, I am someone who doesn't know very much about Townsville and Cairns. Your posts are full of negative emotions, and seem low on rational content. They do nothing to improve my opinion of Cairns at all.

I couldnt picture a housing estate behind Cocoa-Cola Amatil or Pacific Toyota on Ingham Road, or adjacent to the ARMY BASE at Garbutt in the swamp cos the land is soo crappy but hang on they could turn the swamp (on Ingham Road) into a residential canal estate!

Indistrial areas are a fact of life - where does the Coca-Cola you drink and the Toyotas you drive in Cairns come from - a factory in an industrial zone, not necessarily in Townsville but industrial zone nevertheless.

I think you'll find that very few people anywhere like to live in industrial zones and also that tourists don't like to visit them, but this does not stop Sydney or Melbourne or Brisbane from being popular with residents and tourists as well as important places for industry.

Industry and military are the basis of the Townsville economy so they're not something to be embarrased about or something that makes Townsville any less of a city than Cairns. Because not despite industry Townsville is growing radidly.

Oh boy, isn't this a laugh and a half. I'm sure this thread will keep going.

I seriously believe Cairns and Townsville are like chalk and cheese. For tourists, Cairns has everything going for it (except for Magnetic Island which day by day is getting more kick-arse for backpackers, while Cairns and Port Douglas are becoming more and more for the rich, famous, and snot-nosed) But for residents, Townsville beats the crap out of Cairns.

Quality of life for local residents is definitely better in Townsville due to the diversity of work available and the fact that Townsville has a more stable population rather than Cairns's "floating" population. I couldn't imagine anything worse than looking in my Saturday's newspaper for jobs and at least 75% of work is tourism-based. You can actually walk down any of our city streets and not see 50 Opal shops, Aboriginal Art shops, Koala/Kangaroo Scrotum/Crocodile Jerky shops. I mean, I would seriously get pissed off if I had that wonderful choice of retail therapy everyday.

Tom Gleeson, the comedian, summed Cairns up perfectly when he said (I may be paraphrasing slightly) "the locals there go to Woolies to get some milk, bread, a digeridoo, emu eggs, and a stuffed baby crocodile. At least Townsville has REAL shops!"

Yes, Cairns is beautiful. Yes, Cairns is green. But yes, Cairns rains a hell of a lot more for it. You may as well live in London, at least it's cooler there.

Anyways, I could go on all day.

does Townsville have an international airport ?

Yes Townsville does have an international airport, it's just that no international flights actually visit it. I think international flights were introduced in 1981 but in recent years it's been mainly unused - occasionally international flights are reintroduced but never last long.

what about cains what sort of traffic does its airport gather ?

Cairns has a very busy International airport. Busier than Adelaide I believe.

Should look for some recent figures.

Some Pics of our North Qld Cities.

Cairns - a skyline only Adelaide could envy (sorry Joke).
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2498/101872498al1095996043.jpg

Townsville CBD - not as much Jungle as Cairns here.
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/1421/101751421ml1092555440.jpg

Cairns again.
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/0337/101830337ml1093997864.jpg


There's that industry.
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/1361/101881361al1095655654.jpg

jt

Why not compare Townsville's award winning strand to the Cairns mudflat? :D
Sorry, i don't hate Cairns but i just don't like how ferdinand is always putting Townsville down. He obviously doesn't like Townsville because of something. Maybe cos Townsville got the Cowboys instead of Cairns?? Hahaha Oh hang on, you guys like AFL up there hey? Isn't that the game where in the grand final the 2 teams get into a HUGE fight including coaches and fans before the match even starts? Sounds kinda silly to me.

Cairns has got my vote - its more gay friendly then the gold coast ... got something like 4 gay resorts and a club... im not too sure if townsville is that forward. although, gold coast does have vasace hotel (how much more gay can you get hahaha)

Um, this IS a Townsville vs Cairns thread........not the Gold Coast!!! Lol

Why not compare Townsville's award winning strand to the Cairns mudflat? :D
Sorry, i don't hate Cairns but i just don't like how ferdinand is always putting Townsville down. He obviously doesn't like Townsville because of something. Maybe cos Townsville got the Cowboys instead of Cairns?? Hahaha Oh hang on, you guys like AFL up there hey? Isn't that the game where in the grand final the 2 teams get into a HUGE fight including coaches and fans before the match even starts? Sounds kinda silly to me.

You can try comparing Cairns' lovely lagoon to your crappy rock pool and then you will see a major difference of how much those mud flats that you Townsvillains seem to always notice blend in with Cairns' esplanade redevelopment. By the way did you know our mud flats helps native bird species by providing food source? did you also know that birds often stop over at the Cairns mud flats on thier migrations? they're certainly not migrating to the swamp hole thats on ingham road. It show's how much you know of Cairns, Cairns is not the same old Cairns since you were up here, but hey what do you know? your sitting 330km to south peering through your telescope. AFL? are you jealous cos Cairns gets the AFL pre season matches and not Townsville? and add the Top End Cricket tour that Cairns and Darwin has hosted. As for the AFL fighting, wasnt there a similar situation in Townsville a while ago? with West Townsville and some other team? What your afraid to admit that? You should first check with Townsville's sporting history and you would be very suprised.
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TOWNSVILLE CAN KEEP THE CRAPPY COWBOYS, AND BOO WHO TO THE COWBOYS FOR LOSING AGAINST ROOSTERS, TOWNSVILLE'S FEELING THE PINCH NOT CAIRNS, COS WERE FAR NORTH QUEENSLAND NOT NORTH QUEENSLAND MOST OF CAIRNS PEOPLE DIDNT WASTE $800 OR SO ON A RIDICULOUS "SUPPORT TRIP" DOWN TO SYDNEY AND BACK JUST TO SEE THEM LOSE. FOR GOD SAKES I COULD'VE TOLD YOU THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE!

Yes Townsville does have an international airport, it's just that no international flights actually visit it. I think international flights were introduced in 1981 but in recent years it's been mainly unused - occasionally international flights are reintroduced but never last long.

Your sure right about that. Tourists see Townsville as the "scab ridden and flaky sister" of Cairns, cos shes soo dry, not to mention the industrial wasteland that surrounds her. :eek2:

Ferdinand, your a dickhead. Your giving everyone a terrible impression of cairns. If your trying to help cairns ur doing a damnshit job of it.

I couldnt give a shit about cairns now, because of you and ur bullshit.

Townsville has the Brains - its the official capital as I see it.
Universities
Government offices
Corporate offices
Business
Army
Industrial Power jt
ALL OF THE ABOVE + GOVERNMENT FAVOURITISM + THE INDUSTRIAL HELL HOLE THAT SURROUNDS TOWNSVILLE = TOWNSVILLE, CAPITAL OF ARID NQ

Ferdinand, your a dickhead. Your giving everyone a terrible impression of cairns. If your trying to help cairns ur doing a damnshit job of it.

I couldnt give a shit about cairns now, because of you and ur bullshit.
If i dont like Townsville than thats my problem, i have to live with it not you and dont go painting all cairns people with the same brush!! I dont speak for the whole of Cairns i speak for myself

Why not compare Townsville's award winning strand to the Cairns mudflat? :D
Sorry, i don't hate Cairns but i just don't like how ferdinand is always putting Townsville down. He obviously doesn't like Townsville because of something. Maybe cos Townsville got the Cowboys instead of Cairns?? Hahaha Oh hang on, you guys like AFL up there hey? Isn't that the game where in the grand final the 2 teams get into a HUGE fight including coaches and fans before the match even starts? Sounds kinda silly to me.

WE WERENT LABELLED THE RACIST CAPITAL OF AUSTRALIA BY AN A CURRENT AFFAIRS PROGRAM

And what does that have to do with what i posted??? Not much at all from what i can see!! You are a moron ferdinand and you need to look in the mirror (if it doesn't break while you're doing so!) and take a good hard look at yourself. You may not like what you see. I'm sorry to say, you may only be speaking for yourself, but you sure aren't helping with the image of Cairns and it's people by your unwarranted ranting and raving on here. Oh, and if you not liking Townsville is your problem, why not keep it to yourself and not try to make it anybody elses??

Ferdinand, your a dickhead. Your giving everyone a terrible impression of cairns. If your trying to help cairns ur doing a damnshit job of it.

I couldnt give a shit about cairns now, because of you and ur bullshit.

Blend ignore the rubbish that Ferdinand is creating. I personally dont like the sounds of this guy, and if you ask me he sure hates Townsville for some unknown. I am a Cairns resident and i feel very sick and disgusted at Ferdinand and his anti Townsville comments. He does not represent Cairns people in any way other than to try and increase his popularity for a worthless cause. Do not let Ferdinand in any way differ your opinion of Cairns and its people. Cos he's only one person out of 120,000 people that live here. So you still have to meet the good side of 119,999 people yet. Please do not let Ferdinand and his bullshit sour your opinion of Cairns. Ferdinand you are a wanker,loser& complete arsehole all you are doing is tarnishing the positive image of Cairns.

If i dont like Townsville than thats my problem, i have to live with it not you

If its your problem you should keep it to your bloody self and not let the whole world know about your garbage

Amen Bergin!! Is this where i post the Crocs versus Taipans basketball results from the weekend? :D

you can do what you like in this thread, this isnt mine! but the cowboys thread is for cowboys stuff only :)

ferdinand maybe you can make up for your atittude in here by contributing some skyscraper related info for the Cairns projects thread, providing you follow development in Cairns. I'd love to know what's going on with Pier Monde and Jack & Newell. Or maybe you can tell us Bergin.

By the way did you know our mud flats helps native bird species by providing food source? did you also know that birds often stop over at the Cairns mud flats on thier migrations? they're certainly not migrating to the swamp hole thats on ingham road.

I would hate to see the Cairns Esplanade reclaimed beacuse it does provide a vital stopover point for migrating waders - Cairns is pretty much the bird watching capital of Australia partly because of it. Destroying it would be counter productive to creating a diverse and stable tourism market IMO. For the record Blakey's Crossing, the swamps along Ingham Road in Townsville, are an important waterbird habitat as well.

:? Im sort of not up-to-date on projects happening around Cairns. By the way how do i post pictures on here? i have asked this last question in the cowboys thread and no-one has replied. Can someone please shed some light on how i can post pics on here :?

oriolus you seem to know alot of about Cairns. Funny even though your a townsville resident. But i guess its good to know about our own area and your neighbours. (Neighbourhood watch!!) hahaha :hug: :grouphug:

This is a pretty shit thread,Ferdinand just sounds like a shit stirrer,come to Brissy if you want to live somewhere nice. :)

If its your problem you should keep it to your bloody self and not let the whole world know about your garbage

Excuse me! but this is a Democratic Country. I have just as much rights as you do in expressing my views. By you telling me to shut up interferes with my right to talk. By the way im not talking shit, thats cold hard facts and if Townsvillians can't accept that then why submit comments in this thread if you cant handle the truth. Looks like i've definitely told Townsvillians off :)

This is a pretty shit thread,Ferdinand just sounds like a shit stirrer,come to Brissy if you want to live somewhere nice. :)

Well if you can cover my relocating expenses, then yes why not. Could do with a change from regional to metropolitan lifestyle

lol.

errrrmmmm ok guys, did i mention gold coast rocks :-P

:? Im sort of not up-to-date on projects happening around Cairns. By the way how do i post pictures on here? i have asked this last question in the cowboys thread and no-one has replied. Can someone please shed some light on how i can post pics on here :?

If its a picture on the internet, right click on it and go to properties. Copy the URL and paste it into your post. Put image tags around it by selecting the URL and clicking the yellow icon with a mountain (in advanced reply only) or if in quick reply just type at the beginning of the URL and at the end. If you want to scan pictures you can open up a account at photobucket.com or imagestation.com and upload them to the internet, after which you follow the procedure above.

Well if you can cover my relocating expenses, then yes why not. Could do with a change from regional to metropolitan lifestyleGive us your address and i'll post you a cheque.By the way iv'e lived in both Cairns and Townsville and you are just a shit stirrer,both have many pros & cons you should know that as well as i.But to get on these forums,start a thread and just outright bag another town for no obvious reason other than your lack of respect for people living in another town in this great state is stupid and wrong.Do yourself a favour and please post again when you turn 13. :sleepy:

Thanks Oriolus, But i think i'll just stick to posting basic text messages :)

Hey Danubis whats happening with the Tugun by-pass (i think thats it). Have they started on it yet?

lol i dont know why you suppose i have any authority on all things gold coast... but it just so happens that i went to byron on the weekend and noticed on the way back that they have infact started leveling a large area where the bypass is to start... lots of dust and hot sweaty men.

Well, that was the parkies problem. As an Indigenious person myself. I dont think so. That british media label didn't look at the whole city. And they just looked at one problem. If you want the most Racist Town in Australia, Try Mareeba and Wagga Wagga. By the way Ferdinand, just go and do us all a favor and just Piss off!.

The International flights we last had were operated by Qantas, However. They were via Brisbane. That caused people to not take interest into the flights. We wanted a direct link. Domestic Passengers were booked on the flight and alot of confusion came upon us as we are not used to going through Immigration as a Domestic passenger, unlike Cairns.

Yeah, just Shit stur us and we'll Shit stur you. At least our Mayoress doen'st blow Council money on buying up Holiday Apartments and end up Mis-Managing em ending up with a $19 000 fine.

Cairns likes to stay with the Tourism, We like to stay with the Business. We are the Commerce city of Northern Queensland and we are likely to stay like that.

The Swamp land behind the Garbutt Industrial Area is Town Common. So either way. Nobody can develop on that land as it is A council owned Environmental reserve.

In fact thanks now that this shit stirring has come to a bigger problem. this never happened untill Byrne come along and started Pissing us all off. You can Piss us all off and we will Piss you all off.

By the way I was up there for the School Holidays and I spewed on your well to do street, you're stupid well to do Buildings and so on. Only because I was sick of you're well to do everything (and because I was sick naturally).

Yours Truely Crappy Cairns.

By the way, um Bergin. I'm not making any offence to you or the other 119,999 people in Cairns, Just Ferdinand, so Sorry if I made any offence to you.

Well, our Industrial Wasteland is quite clean compared to other cities, thank you friggin much Ferdinand. Industrial Disaster, I wonder what you mean, cause no accidents have ever happened in our Wasteland that you call it. It's not like Chernobyl ever happened in Townsville. Another thing is we would have International Flights unless Cairns didn't come along with some new International Terminal to just Screw everything up for Townsville.

The Brawl we had was Rugby League. However, even though fans participated in the brawl. It wasn't as Worse as the AFL Brawl.

Ferdinand, you are a Dickhead who likes to suck of Kevin Byrne's Arse.

This is Ferdinand getting angry at all the Townsville OZscraper member's posts :mad2:

This is what Townsville and Cairns should be doing :lurker:

Ferdinand is the one trying to join in on the Conversation. But is Ignored and just walks off.

Piss off and go Annoy and Piss on Another City.

Piss off Ferdinand

Yours Truely, The people of Townsville.

The good thing about Industrial areas under the current Legislation is that they can Hide Brothels!!!

jt

There's a funny story there actually - a US navy ship was in port in Townsville and one of the sailors went to the CBD office of LJ Hooker and asked for a woman for half an hour! The staff descreetly directed him to the Garbutt industrial area.

By the way, um Bergin. I'm not making any offence to you or the other 119,999 people in Cairns, Just Ferdinand, so Sorry if I made any offence to you.
None taken. The dick head needs to be told off.

All Right, Can do. I'll stop the Dick Head thing. Or are you talking about Ferdinand.

he was talking to ferdinand.

This ferdinand wanker seems to have gone very quiet!! I must admit, it's a much nicer place in here when he keeps his smart arse comments to himself!! :D

was talking about ferdinand

The scary thing is hes out there somewhere in Cairns roaming around. I hope he doesnt bump into me in a hurry. I'll certainly give him my peice of Cairns

There's a funny story there actually - a US navy ship was in port in Townsville and one of the sailors went to the CBD office of LJ Hooker and asked for a woman for half an hour! The staff descreetly directed him to the Garbutt industrial area.

:cheers: Hahahaha thats a good one, never heard of any funny U.S sailor visits up here but i will keep ya posted if i do hear something :)

LJ Hookers, Your the best. That must be what it appears to be U.S Sailors. There has been numerous stories about that. And Bergin, just Checking, and I too hope you don't bump into him in a hurry.

its cool man, dont worry about it. But yeah Ferdinand is a real twisted character...lol
here is my version of Abba's song lyrics dedicated to Ferdinand
"There something in the air that nite, the stars were bright Ferdinando"

This ferdinand wanker seems to have gone very quiet!! :D
I have gone quiet as im gathering more info, smart arse!!! :bash:

Haha. Welcome back, we missed you.

The Swamp land behind the Garbutt Industrial Area is Town Common. So either way. Nobody can develop on that land as it is A council owned Environmental reserve.

In fact thanks now that this shit stirring has come to a bigger problem. this never happened untill Byrne come along and started Pissing us all off. You can Piss us all off and we will Piss you all off.

By the way I was up there for the School Holidays and I spewed on your well to do street, you're stupid well to do Buildings and so on. Only because I was sick of you're well to do everything (and because I was sick naturally).

Yours Truely Crappy Cairns.
Town common? the common part of Town? uncommon Town? Town Uncommon? an Uncommon piece of land that was given to Townsville City Council from the Commonwealth? Townsville uncommon? god
What were you doing up here for the school holidays? sick of boring old Townsville already? And the reason why you spewed is because you were angry that the things you see in Cairns are not in Townsville :) did our Cairns Base give you the best treatment or were you flown to Townsville? And for your information Byrne has the guts to stand up to you Townsville mongers, getting the bigger slice of favouritism from the state government. Mayor Byrne goes in and bats for Cairns when the state government spoils rotten old Townsville.
By the way i visited Townsville recently and pissed in your Rock Pool as i was lazy to head to the little mens room underneath that crappy life savers shed and diner thingy!
Yours Truly
Terrible Townsville :bash:

Haha. Welcome back, we missed you.
thanks dont i get a welcoming present?

Well, that was the parkies problem. As an Indigenious person myself. I dont think so. That british media label didn't look at the whole city. And they just looked at one problem. If you want the most Racist Town in Australia, Try Mareeba and Wagga Wagga.
Oh really and what was the KKK leaflet letter drops* that i heard soo much about ( in the suburb of Hermit Park)? racist free Townsville, my arse! Townsville is one of the worsest places for racism. And what was another incident about Townsville Bulleting publishing racist comments made by a made up resident with a fake address and they still permitted it even though they knew. Not to mention the Errol Wiles case, what about the aboriginal lady who's 2 sons were bashed in front of thier home by a van full of "white youths" And also about the Aboriginal radio announcer who wanted to order a drink in a Townsville pub but was refused because they thought he was too drunk/intoxicated and uncontrollable and he wasnt! so there you go!.
God you must walk around Townsville with your eyes closed, or maybe you've forgotten who you are and turn a blind eye cos your sitting pretty with class. Whatever loser! :bash:
* if you dont believe me log onto http://brisbane.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=6615 or http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve03/1151townsville.html

do we hear of those sorts of incidents in Cairns? i havent come across any yet. But Townsville seems to have a case load of them!

ps. I also have indigenous heritage, thank god for that or i would've called you all sorts of names imaginable under the sun :)

I thought we were talking about the city and not the people anyway? Come on ferdinand, back on topic. If you wanna talk about racism etc etcm take it to the section for everything else other than skyscrapers.

ferdinand - verbally hammering Townsville is acceptable but accusing someone of being a paedophile is uncalled for. You better hope no mod reads this because personally I would ban you - please no personal insults.

For your information the Town Common name comes from its original use as a town common, that is an area of grazing land where anyone could keep livestock. When it was declared a conservation park the name stayed, although admittedly it could have had a better name.

I thought we were talking about the city and not the people anyway? Come on ferdinand, back on topic. If you wanna talk about racism etc etcm take it to the section for everything else other than skyscrapers.
i was just replying to Gertzy's comments and how he singled out Wagga Wagga and Mareeba, didnt mean to go into too much depth on the subject.

ferdinand - verbally hammering Townsville is acceptable but accusing someone of being a paedophile is uncalled for. You better hope no mod reads this because personally I would ban you - please no personal insults.

For your information the Town Common name comes from its original use as a town common, that is an area of grazing land where anyone could keep livestock. When it was declared a conservation park the name stayed, although admittedly it could have had a better name.
sorry was too angry at Gertzy, i will delete that comment. Apologies to you Gertzy

Here's a good suggestion, I here by declare this debate to nobody.
It's obvioiusly going nowhere. We are just taunting and teasing and getting wild and getting extremely pissed off over nothing. A god damn debate trying to make a total war over two Cities in a place we call north queensland and the other calls it far north.

Okay, you want to know ferdinand. Yes, I do Think Townsville is an Extremely racist city okay but otherwise that it's an alright place to be in. I like Cairns as much as I do Townsville but otherwise that, I was actually staying on the Tablelands (so called Cairns Highlands) and we came down for the day shopping. Alright, Shopping. Bloody Myer, endless hours inside Cairns Central, I love Cairns Central very much and then after that I endured boring endless hours inside Myer in the ladies clothing department with my Brothers while my Mum was too busy looking at Clothes, Trying them on, then paying for them two hours later. But otherwise that, if you suggest for me to move, I'm a frigging teen who cant move anywhere unless his frigging family does. alright.

We are just getting pissed off over some crappy debate that we get fired up about and then learn to find Ferdinad sitting back to laugh in an evil way, at what he created. It's time we work together as two cities. The only person who so far has prattically done nothing is Bergin, I applaude Bergin. From now on, This debate is shit.
A creation of a mad man who wants probably nothing but to see two tribes go to war, Total war, then even worse.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From now on, Goodbye Cairns vs Townsville post.
I will still write replies in it only rarely though.

mmmm...... How low could you get especially in this time and with headlines going on about it. I am a teenager myself, I wouldn't be have those types of tendancies for anybody younger than 12. I'm 14. How sick and gross is that, utterly gross. Shit it is. I'll shit on that and believe it never happened. Even though it did. That's just low.

:grouphug: Ok your right its not worth debating over something so stupid as this. I call a truce, from now on lets not argue about who is better in NQ.
Im going to try and be a good person. As long as you dont brings things up then i wont also. Its just frustrating when certain events and other things requires Townsville's involvement e.g. Cowboys, Taxation enquires, being transferred to Townsville hospital. But will have to live with that.
PEACE :angel: :)
My apologies about the perving thing, didnt mean to go that far was soo angry.

Wow is this the side of ferdinand that is trying to break through? if it is, i say amen to you my cairnsinite brother. However if it is all a put on, bad karma will always haunt you :)

Ferdinand, you seem to know a shite-load about Townsville's minor affairs.

EG: "Oh really and what was the KKK leaflet letter drops* that i heard soo much about ( in the suburb of Hermit Park)? racist free Townsville, my arse! Townsville is one of the worsest places for racism. And what was another incident about Townsville Bulleting publishing racist comments made by a made up resident with a fake address and they still permitted it even though they knew. Not to mention the Errol Wiles case, what about the aboriginal lady who's 2 sons were bashed in front of thier home by a van full of "white youths" And also about the Aboriginal radio announcer who wanted to order a drink in a Townsville pub but was refused because they thought he was too drunk/intoxicated and uncontrollable and he wasnt! so there you go!."

Could I be 99% correct if I was to say either you yourself or much of your family live in Townsville? Because I tell you what, I don't have a frikkin' clue what goes on in Cairns apart from major headline news (on TV or in the Tsv Bully) and city development.

So tell us the truth. There seems to be a lot more to you and your hate of Townsville than meets the eye.

Wow, I thought I would get a verbal copping, but I got a peace reply, well thats nice, yes I do to call a truce. Is everyone in favour to that. From now on, this thread should be to get people's opionions on which City they like better. Instead of Fighting about it. So Is everybody in favour or what.

Start with renaming Townsville to a more brighter name. Like Miami. First impressions beach, babes...Cairns is o.k , but gotta rename Townsville.. :)

Its just frustrating when certain events and other things requires Townsville's involvement e.g. Cowboys, Taxation enquires, being transferred to Townsville hospital. But will have to live with that.

My apologies about the perving thing, didnt mean to go that far was soo angry.

Good on you ferdinand - the frustration is often mutual - eg Cairns appearing on national weather maps and not Townsville, Cairns airport being bigger and better, locations near Townsville being quoted as a certain distance from Cairns.

And we both have to deal with southern newsreaders who can't pronounce our suburbs!

Townsville is a great sounding name !
maybe citiville for its size ?

Yeah, that describes it. Maybe the City should vote to have its name changed to Cityville or keep it as Townsville

There's no way I want Townsville to change its name. There have been competitions in the About Town column in the Townsville Bulletin to think of another name but most of them are really corny - I think Paradisia or Capricornia were some.

Besides, if its good enough for the Powerpuff girls, its good enough for us. :)

LOL i was going to say that about the PPGs
but was worried noone would know what i was talking about

That's True, Here about U.S sailors whenever they're in town how a lot of them would try and get the mayor's autograph for their daughters. They would say usually because of the PPG's

really now thats a little crazy

Sort of, you would think but it's true. It's always in our Townsville Bulletin (Paper) when a U.S Navy ship is in Town.

Ferdinand, you seem to know a shite-load about Townsville's minor affairs.

EG: "Oh really and what was the KKK leaflet letter drops* that i heard soo much about ( in the suburb of Hermit Park)? racist free Townsville, my arse! Townsville is one of the worsest places for racism. And what was another incident about Townsville Bulleting publishing racist comments made by a made up resident with a fake address and they still permitted it even though they knew. Not to mention the Errol Wiles case, what about the aboriginal lady who's 2 sons were bashed in front of thier home by a van full of "white youths" And also about the Aboriginal radio announcer who wanted to order a drink in a Townsville pub but was refused because they thought he was too drunk/intoxicated and uncontrollable and he wasnt! so there you go!."

Could I be 99% correct if I was to say either you yourself or much of your family live in Townsville? Because I tell you what, I don't have a frikkin' clue what goes on in Cairns apart from major headline news (on TV or in the Tsv Bully) and city development.

So tell us the truth. There seems to be a lot more to you and your hate of Townsville than meets the eye.
I read the Townsville bulletin and sometimes get info off the web. And yes i have family in Townsville :)

Yeah, that describes it. Maybe the City should vote to have its name changed to Cityville or keep it as Townsville
I thought at one stage they were going to rename Townsville to Castletown? i cant remember where i got that info from :?

There's no way I want Townsville to change its name. There have been competitions in the About Town column in the Townsville Bulletin to think of another name but most of them are really corny - I think Paradisia or Capricornia were some.

Besides, if its good enough for the Powerpuff girls, its good enough for us. :)
wow you still watch cartoons? i do 2. I tend to watch the Power Puff girls (if im in the mood) but SPONGE BOB SQUARE PANTS is my FAVE!! :cheers:
You go spongy :)

Good on you ferdinand - the frustration is often mutual - eg Cairns appearing on national weather maps and not Townsville, Cairns airport being bigger and better, locations near Townsville being quoted as a certain distance from Cairns.

And we both have to deal with southern newsreaders who can't pronounce our suburbs!
lol - wow the weather thingy, didnt really notice that, geez you must watch the news with a magnifying glass picking up every little fault. The Today show always mentions Townsville's weather. SBS news has Cairns weather on display not Townsville although ocassionally it has displayed it.
Im always in a constant tongue tied battle with oonoonba (think that's it).

I heard that somewhere about the name change to Castletown too. I heard it in the Townsville Bully in Mary Vernon's column (About Town). With the Power Puff girls thing. I don't watch it much but I do watch Spongebob Squarepants (My Absolute Favourite) and ehhh, Mainly Nickelodeon Shows. Dont really watch much cartoon network or Channel 7 (PPG usually shows on Ch7 on weekend mornings).

Castle town that blows sorry it should never change it's name
Town names are part of history and who they are name changes are not the best idea.
i watch Spongebob Squarepants but i dont have cable so just do it on the downloads

Townsville is good enough as it is. Your right, they are a part of history and they also can keep the distinct livelihood of a city. i also heard of one name that people apparantly want when Townsville Almalgamates with Thuringowa (Townsville's sister city on the western half of town for anyone who doesn't know). Townsgowa. its funny how we all start talking about Cartoons when the PowerPuff Girls were mentioned in this thread.

Spongebob Squarepants, Spongebob Squarepants, Spongebob Squarepant, Sponge-Bob Squarepantssssssss.

i thought it was powder puff girls, not power,

I personally prefer Cairns, but thats nothing against Townsville.

Townsville looks great.

Townsville by a close margin. It has a lot more going for it than Cairns.

It is a very important defence location - with one of the 2 RAAF Forward Operating Bases (the other is Darwin), plus the Army base (Lavarack Baracks). There is also another two smaller army establishments in Townsville, Ross Island Baracks (amphibious operations) in South Townsville and Jezzine Barracks (Army Reserve) in North Ward (just north of CBD).

For the record the so called Garbutt Army base as someone here refered to is actually the RAAF Base (which used to be called RAAF Base Garbutt but is now called RAAF Base Townsville). The Army Aviation Regiment (including the Black Hawks and Chinooks) are based at the RAAF Base.

To be fair, Cairns has HMAS Cairns and the army's 51st Battalion at Edmonton, a very small army establishment. Cairns is not even comparable to Townsville in terms of Defence Strategic importance.

Given the fact I'll never get posted to Cairns, until they build a RAAF Base there, I choose Townsville.

Is there a adequate transport/amenity network between both cairns and townsville?

I imagine that a symbiotic relationship would be far better for both cairns and townsville, rather then trying to compete with each other all the time.

much like brisbane and the gold coast... each adds to the others prosperity

i also heard of one name that people apparantly want when Townsville Almalgamates with Thuringowa (Townsville's sister city on the western half of town for anyone who doesn't know). Townsgowa.
Will Townsville and Thuringowa ever amalgamate? i thought Thuringowans prefer the twin cities to stay, Mayor Tyrrel was one of the main contenders leading the charge for the twin cities to stay? i remember reading it in the Townsville Bulletin. Have they reopened the suggestion again?

Townsville by a close margin. It has a lot more going for it than Cairns.

It is a very important defence location - with one of the 2 RAAF Forward Operating Bases (the other is Darwin), plus the Army base (Lavarack Baracks). There is also another two smaller army establishments in Townsville, Ross Island Baracks (amphibious operations) in South Townsville and Jezzine Barracks (Army Reserve) in North Ward (just north of CBD).

For the record the so called Garbutt Army base as someone here refered to is actually the RAAF Base (which used to be called RAAF Base Garbutt but is now called RAAF Base Townsville). The Army Aviation Regiment (including the Black Hawks and Chinooks) are based at the RAAF Base.

To be fair, Cairns has HMAS Cairns and the army's 51st Battalion at Edmonton, a very small army establishment. Cairns is not even comparable to Townsville in terms of Defence Strategic importance.

Given the fact I'll never get posted to Cairns, until they build a RAAF Base there, I choose Townsville.
Townsville and Darwin are in a strategic locations to combat and counteract problems within thier respective regions. Its a good thing that the RAAF and the army are based in Townsville as resources can be dispatched if needed. Cairns on the other hand i believe would be inapropriate to have a large scaled army/raaf/navy presence in the city as it just wouldnt complement the tourism industry not only that Cairns doesnt have the available land to build such a facility the only other alternative location would be Mareeba. Townsville more or less is in a centralised location and has the capacity to dispatch resources when needed and the available land if expansion is required.

wow you still watch cartoons? i do 2. I tend to watch the Power Puff girls (if im in the mood) but SPONGE BOB SQUARE PANTS is my FAVE!! :cheers:
You go spongy :)

For the record I don't watcj cartoon and have never seen a single second of the Power Puff Girls - it just pops up in web searches all the time. But maybe I should - I hear their Townsville has a pretty nice skyline.

It is a very important defence location - with one of the 2 RAAF Forward Operating Bases (the other is Darwin), plus the Army base (Lavarack Baracks). There is also another two smaller army establishments in Townsville, Ross Island Baracks (amphibious operations) in South Townsville and Jezzine Barracks (Army Reserve) in North Ward (just north of CBD).

On the election coverage the other night, Townsville was said to have the largest army base in the country - would that be right?

On the election coverage the other night, Townsville was said to have the largest army base in the country - would that be right?
It will be one of the largest after the promised upgrades by the coalition (hopefully they will deliver)

Is there a adequate transport/amenity network between both cairns and townsville?

I imagine that a symbiotic relationship would be far better for both cairns and townsville, rather then trying to compete with each other all the time.

much like brisbane and the gold coast... each adds to the others prosperity
with the Cowboys finals debut our mayor wrote to the cowboys offering support on behalf of Cairns. Mayor Byrne also gave a quick phone call to both Mayors Tyrrel and Mooney. So the cowboys unite North Queensland as a whole when it comes to crucial support :)

Is there a adequate transport/amenity network between both cairns and townsville?

I imagine that a symbiotic relationship would be far better for both cairns and townsville, rather then trying to compete with each other all the time.

much like brisbane and the gold coast... each adds to the others prosperity
Once flood proofing of the Bruce Highway near Tully has been done (as promised by the coalition - i think $500million), this should pave the way for potential expansion of logistics and other opportunities between the two cities.

Townsville is a great sounding name !
maybe citiville for its size ?

That would be disrespectful to Robert Towns, the Sydney businessmen who provided finance for the establishment of Townsville. A lot of people don't seem to realise that Townsville is actually nemed after someone.

I thought at one stage they were going to rename Townsville to Castletown? i cant remember where i got that info from

There was never any real possiblility of the city being renamed but Castletown was the name first given to the city by Andrew Ball after he Mark Watt Reid discovered the site of Townsville. It is named after the capital of the Isle of Man, in the UK. The name Townsville first appeared in 1865, the year after settlement.

On the election coverage the other night, Townsville was said to have the largest army base in the country - would that be right?

People have been saying that it's the biggest in the Southern Hemisphere. If not well I definatly know its one of the biggest in Australia.

Once flood proofing of the Bruce Highway near Tully has been done (as promised by the coalition - i think $500million), this should pave the way for potential expansion of logistics and other opportunities between the two cities.

I Thought it was $80 million, but anyway your right about that. For Danubis, we also have regular Rail and Air services, but for the price of Airservices to Cairns, I'd Rather go to Brisbane than spend a low cost of $120, just to go to Cairns. But yet again. Those flights are mainly for the Business Travellers.

I would think that if they spent $500m to Floodproof the Highway, That would be turning it into a Dual Arterial Highway like Hume Hwy or The Pacific Mwy.

Floodproof? would that be done in a similar way to the floating footpath on the river at newfarm...

I'm not sure. Maybe as in Floodproof as in building the road on a mound in the troubled areas or Ii'd like to see personally a low bridge high enough to skip the flooding. Even turning the road into a four laned motorway (Two < AND Two > etc).

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What are you trying to prove

Originally posted by Danubis:
you've got a stupid name.

What first the Racist joke and now poking fun at my name, What are you trying to prove.

Yes I do believe Townsville is the biggest army base - followed closely by Enogerra in Brisbane. However Amberley in Brisbane (well Ipswich) is the biggest RAAF Base.

RAAF Base Townsville is used by the RAAF as a forward operating base - but as a main operating base isn't all that important, with a 38 SQN Detatchment (Caribous) the only RAAF aircraft based there. Obviously it is important to the army, and the civillian terminal (Townsville Airport is co-located with and run by the RAAF).

However, don't get me wrong, it is vital to the RAAF as a forward operating base.

People have been saying that it's the biggest in the Southern Hemisphere. If not well I definatly know its one of the biggest in Australia.



I Thought it was $80 million, but anyway your right about that

I would think that if they spent $500m to Floodproof the Highway, That would be turning it into a Dual Arterial Highway like Hume Hwy or The Pacific Mwy.
I meant to quote $50m, sorry a typo mistake on my part. I dont know if its $50m or $80m, will have to check that one out. Its just i remember something near the $50m in the election promises.

Doesn't matter Ferdinand, as long as you pointed it up, that's okay. But looks like we are starting to make progress on the first step on Townsville-Cairns Peace. In today's Townsville Bully. Peter Lindsay told the TB that he and Warren Enstch and the Government are making an agreement between TSV-CNS were it'll end up sharing some of Cairns International Market and Townsville Backpacker Market (I think it was, i defintly know it was Cairns International Market). It'll also Include the Bruce Highway Upgrade and Floodproofing.

Has anyone seen Cairnsinite. Haven't heard much of him lately. Things could fire up again if he comes back on. But still, I wonder where he is.

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that the floodproofing of the Bruce Highway would in fact be $80 million.

Doesn't matter Ferdinand, as long as you pointed it up, that's okay. But looks like we are starting to make progress on the first step on Townsville-Cairns Peace. In today's Townsville Bully. Peter Lindsay told the TB that he and Warren Enstch and the Government are making an agreement between TSV-CNS were it'll end up sharing some of Cairns International Market and Townsville Backpacker Market (I think it was, i defintly know it was Cairns International Market). It'll also Include the Bruce Highway Upgrade and Floodproofing.
We definitely are :)

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that the floodproofing of the Bruce Highway would in fact be $80 million.
As long as its in the vacinity of $50million or more :)

That's good :) . I wish that they would turn parts of the Bruce Hwy into A Dual Carriageway. I know that coming into Cairns and Coming into Townsville (from Cairns) that it ends up becoming a 4 laned (Cairns 6 lanes from Mt Sheridan Plaza) arterial road but I wish they had it like that the whole way including Overpasses and On-Ramps etc. The whole deal. But that won't happen until Townsville will Suppass 200k :sleepy: .

That's good :) . I wish that they would turn parts of the Bruce Hwy into A Dual Carriageway. I know that coming into Cairns and Coming into Townsville (from Cairns) that it ends up becoming a 4 laned (Cairns 6 lanes from Mt Sheridan Plaza) arterial road but I wish they had it like that the whole way including Overpasses and On-Ramps etc. The whole deal. But that won't happen until Townsville will Suppass 200k :sleepy: .
Cairns City Council is looking at the idea of a 4-6 laned Bruce Highway to Gordonvale in the near future. Overpasses&on ramps costs alot of money and the Government goes by traffic statistics of how many cars use the road a day. The Cairns community has been unsuccessfull in trying to lobby they government for an overpass on the Brinsmead-Kamerunga rd& Ramsey Drive intersection (Parkridge), But because of the traffic statistics, the government opted to go with a"band aid" solution of installing traffic lights, which will make the situation more worse as you will need to slow down in a sort of mini-valley like terrain from doing 80k's, yet there are millions of overpasses through out SE Queensland. But thier traffic situation is probably 3 times denser than Cairns'. But overally it would be good to have an adequate high speed road link between Cairns and Townsville free from Flooding, a 4 lane high-would certainly do fine :)

Yeah, I wouldn't mind 4 lanes for the bruce, Too. With the Ring-Road set to start stage 2 here in Townsville. It actually looks like could have certain parts of the Bruce 4 lanes (like Townsville to Ingham and Innisfail to Cairns).

The current state of the Bruce Highway is a joke so its good to see it will be flood proofed but it wasn't all that long ago the full length of the Bruce Highway was sealed. I'm pretty sure that even in the 70s some bridges were only one lane (so you had to give way).

This document is interesting Townsville Thuringowa Integrated Regional Transport Plan (http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/tpSite.nsf/ReferenceLookup/TTIRTP_New%20Transport%20Strategies.pdf/$file/TTIRTP_New%20Transport%20Strategies.pdf) - its basically a wish list of road projects in the Townsville area and it includes:

Bruce Hwy northbound - 6 lanes to Mt Low, 4 lanes to Yabulu
Bruce Hwy southbound - 6 laning University Rd, 4 lanes to Vantassel Road, including a overpass for the rail level crossing
Route 16 - 4 laning in full

Well, I'd like to see 4 lanes to yabulu, Even a Cityrail link around town.

Townsville & Thuringowa should start exploring the idea of an intergrated passenger urban rail system now as i feel Townsville's public transport isnt adequate for a city of its size. Sunbus and Taxi's tend to cost alot of money and at times arent as reliable as jumping into your own car. But still your faced with the constant battle of Townsville's heavily used arterial roads. I was in Townsville a couple of weeks ago and geez i nearly had a heart attack, the traffic is faster than Cairns'. I feel i can keep up with Cairns' traffic as i am familiar with the roads and short-cuts. Queensland Rail & Queensland Transport should act now! soon Townsville will be on the verge of metropolis status and by then i feel it would be too late.

That is very true. Especially in the Mornings and Afternoons during peak hour times. I'm not criticising or anything by I feel that even during the day that Cairns Roads are a bit more clogged than Townsville. Especially the Bruce Hwy and Mulgrave road. But then again, we have alot more Arterial roads than Cairns does. Looking at maps, It looks like Cairns already does have a Inner-Rail link. But then thats the Kuranda Scenic rail. Because of the Stations at Redlynch and Freshwater.

Yes you are right the Bruce Highway and also the Captain Cook highway tend to get clogged at times, however Mulgrave road isnt as clogged as much of the Traffic are either diverted on to the Southern Access road via Bruce Highway or Via Lyons Street. Its a good thing the Southern Access Road has been upgraded to cater for the traffic flow from the Bruce Highway and Captain Cook Highway-Sherriden St.
Upgrading of the Bruce Highway to 6 lanes south of Cairns will only further add to the problem. There should be another arterial road from Gordonvale to Cairns via East Trinity :)

Well, I'd like to see 4 lanes to yabulu, Even a Cityrail link around town.
The Stuart Highway 40km south of Darwin is four laned right through to Darwin City bypassing Palmerston and the Suburbs.

Also in Tasmania as well. There are two Highways, The Bass and Midland-Brooker Hwys. Both are 4 laned arterial roads and they have Overpasses and the works galore. The thing is. The Midland Hwy which becomes the Brooker a bit north of Hobart links Launceston and Hobart. Both Cities are between 100-200k mark. The bass however is also 4 laned the whole way and also starts at Launceston but although, it follows the Northern Coast which links the cities of Burnie, Devonport and Ulverstone and these 3 cities are between the 20-50k mark

Also in Tasmania as well. There are two Highways, The Bass and Midland-Brooker Hwys. Both are 4 laned arterial roads and they have Overpasses and the works galore. The thing is. The Midland Hwy which becomes the Brooker a bit north of Hobart links Launceston and Hobart. Both Cities are between 100-200k mark. The bass however is also 4 laned the whole way and also starts at Launceston but although, it follows the Northern Coast which links the cities of Burnie, Devonport and Ulverstone and these 3 cities are between the 20-50k mark
havent been to Tasmania but it sounds like a cool place :)

It does, but apparantly its a very polluted place in winter.

sarcasm i hope gertzy

I've heard that lots of wood fires in winter cause a significant smoke haze. Don't know if its true first hand though.

No Its actually true. Launceston is actually one of the most polluted cities in Australia in Winter. Bushfires do also have alot to do with it as well. Logging is also a common part of it.

Also in Tasmania as well. There are two Highways, The Bass and Midland-Brooker Hwys.

Well there are a lot more than 2, but yeah those two are the main ones..

Both are 4 laned arterial roads and they have Overpasses and the works galore.

I wish they were 4 lane! The newer parts of each are, but most of the Midlands highway and a significant part of the Bass highway, are 2 lane, sadly. Most of the rest is correct though. More specific figures:

Hobart- 200,000
Launceston- 100,000
Devonport- 25,000
Burnie- 20,000
Ulverstone- 10,000

No Its actually true. Launceston is actually one of the most polluted cities in Australia in Winter. Bushfires do also have alot to do with it as well. Logging is also a common part of it.

Hmm.. Woodfires and woodheaters have a lot to do with it, as does the surrounding geography (hills on all sides). But it isn't really a bushfire or logging area... and I can't see how logging would cause woodsmoke? Wouldn't that result in no wood? :P

Sorry about that. Maps are of course Misleading. I've seen Maps of Launceston, Hobart, Ulverstone, Devonport, Burnie etc and the Highways have Overpasses etc. Infact the New UBD maps classify Bass and Midland Hwys at Launceston of Freeway Status (as it is a green coloured road).

Sorry about that. Maps are of course Misleading. I've seen Maps of Launceston, Hobart, Ulverstone, Devonport, Burnie etc and the Highways have Overpasses etc. Infact the New UBD maps classify Bass and Midland Hwys at Launceston of Freeway Status (as it is a green coloured road).

AHh yes. A lot of the parts of the highways near the cities are 4 lane. Get about 5-10km out of the city and they go back to dirt tracks :P (Nah, not really - its not that bad! But they do go back to 2 lanes.)

The Bass and Midlands Hwys are part of the National Highway system (No. 1 shield) so obviously they are being upgraded to be of a better standard. (For example - rail lines are being diverted so they don't cross the highway.)

Yep, sounds cool. Hope that happens up here soon, but our Main Roads dep keep fart-arsing around.

hello all, miss me?
Im back after a long break. Ok the mood in the room has changed, everyone is all lovey dovey and stuff, you even managed to convince ferdinand of converting over, lol.
Ok i dont want to have an all out war but i would like to have a friendly debate on Cairns-Townsville, without any sulking.
Who's up for a friendly rivalry debatey thingy?
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* If Townsville claims to be the capital of North Queensland, what can it offer that Cairns cant?
* Thuringowa plays a major role in Townsville's development, what recognition is it going to get? will it be the unsung hero? while Townsville basks in its glory?
* Its also unfair to compare Townsville-Thuringowa to Cairns, unless we compare Cairns-Mareeba with Townsville-Thuringowa (just like Townsville being next to Thuringowa, well Mareeba and Cairns City have borders as well)
* How would Townsvillians react to Cairns, Bowen or Mackay becoming the Capital of North Queensland?

remember Gertzy this is a friendly debate nothing serious, no swearing or sulking please, just a friendly debate on friendly terms :)

Welcome back Cairninite - before reading the following comments, remember I love Cairns as well :)

* If Townsville claims to be the capital of North Queensland, what can it offer that Cairns cant?
A state capital should be the centre of business of a state, and Townsville is more business oriented than Cairns.

* Thuringowa plays a major role in Townsville's development, what recognition is it going to get? will it be the unsung hero? while Townsville basks in its glory?
Townsville City Council does not bask in the glory of Thuringowa City Council's acheivements. You're confusing the metropolitan area of Townsville with its individual city councils.

* Its also unfair to compare Townsville-Thuringowa to Cairns, unless we compare Cairns-Mareeba with Townsville-Thuringowa (just like Townsville being next to Thuringowa, well Mareeba and Cairns City have borders as well)
Townsville/Thuringowa is different to Cairns/Mareeba. The Tsv/Thur divide slices right through suburbia. If you want to talk about Sydney you consider all the LGA's that make up the metropolitan area because its one big urban conglomerate - same with Townsville.

* How would Townsvillians react to Cairns, Bowen or Mackay becoming the Capital of North Queensland?
There has actually been talk of establishing a state capital on a greenfields site - Sellheim (on the Burdekin River east of Charters Towers) has been suggested but that would be unnecessary and probably unworkable for such a small population as NQ has.

A state capital should be the centre of business of a state, and Townsville is more business oriented than Cairns..
I agree with you, however now that times are changing and demand is slowing starting to creep upon us, demand for business will come Cairns' way soon with the boom thats been going on in Cairns and Port Douglass. People power is slowing starting to take effect, Cairns and Far North residents want better business opportunities for Cairns and region. Advance Cairns and Tourism Tropical North Queensland along with Cairns City Council have been lobbying hard to establish business/trade/and cultural links with Asia and other countries such as U.S.A. They have been and will continue to be the voice for Cairns and region.
You are right in saying Townsville is more oriented than Cairns, however one has to consider that it will not stay that way for long. Once the demand exceeds the population then the State Government would have to start looking at other business iniatives for Cairns and FNQ. I predict that Mareeba or Port Douglass will be of major importance Commercially/Industrially and Governmentally in the near future Cairns cannot meet the demands


Townsville City Council does not bask in the glory of Thuringowa City Council's acheivements. You're confusing the metropolitan area of Townsville with its individual city councils Ok, so am i foolish to think that Dairy Farmers Stadium and Reading Cinemas (Townsville's only stadium seating cinemas) is in Townsville when its infact in Thuringowa City? What about the roadside sign i see on the Bruce highway @ Paluma turn off it says something along the lines of "Townsville's only rainforest experience" should that be corrected to say "Thuringowa's only rainforest experience" cos geographically Dairy Farmers Stadium, Reading Cinemas and Paluma are in Thuringowa City not Townsville City. What about Thuringowa's CBD? we may as well pass it off as cannon park in Townsville


Townsville/Thuringowa is different to Cairns/Mareeba. The Tsv/Thur divide slices right through suburbia. If you want to talk about Sydney you consider all the LGA's that make up the metropolitan area because its one big urban conglomerate - same with Townsville...
yes it does slice right through suburbia, but that doesnt necessarily mean that everything on Thuringowa's side is automatically Townsville's. If Cairns and Mulgrave shire still had thier boundaries it would be foolish of me to say that Sugar World is in Cairns when geographically its apart of Mulgrave shire. However in todays time-yes i can say that Sugar World is in Cairns as Cairns City and Mulgrave Shire have amalgamated in 1995

There has actually been talk of establishing a state capital on a greenfields site - Sellheim (on the Burdekin River east of Charters Towers) has been suggested but that would be unnecessary and probably unworkable for such a small population as NQ has.
We need somewhere that's neutral between Townsville and Cairns, i suggest Tully or Cardwell :)

Good, I agree with you Cairnsinite. Just that Ferdinand made it seem like an all out war. Unlike you however, It is Friendly and seems like a normal debate (As I do debating for School).
There is one point that I shall point out too. The business that is slowly creeping Cairns's way is also creeping our way and also that of Mackay and Rockhampton. Especially now with this new scheme trying to stop growth in SE Qld. It'll then prompt more development in Places like Cairns, Townsville and Mackay. So It is happening everywhere in NQ not just Cairns.

the Beatie Government's SEQ plan to my interpretation has a hidden meaning "Lets give the rest of the state a share in Brisbane's headaches"
Beatie is afraid of managing a Melbourne or Sydney styled Brisbane. Hes just barely managing 1.6million what about 3million? god he'd have a heart attack. It would definitely be out of his comfort zone.
Cairns needs to grow yes, but not rapidly only steadily.. it would be good to receive some of the business opportunities that Brisbane receives but not too much of it please! dont want to see a far northern Brisbane :)
On the other hand yes Gertzy i agree with you that the approach i used towards this debate wasnt of a debater but a whinger, now i've definitely adopted the debating not the downgrading attitude.

That is very true. The Government we have is just full of stuff ups. Both Cairns and Townsville miss out on fair shares of Government money when its all spent down brisbane and SEQ. Take for example the Douglas Arterial road. For more than 10 years, the Governments have been whinging over who will provide the most funding. Kuranda Range seems to be that way soon too. I'd like to see Townsville have 250 000 and Cairns have about the same or even keep following the pop we already have (Tsv 155 000, Cairns 130 000 as to Townsville 255 000, And Cairns 230 000). I would like a bustling city but not the Type Brisbane is in. Maybe with a couple of Multi Story Shopping Centres and a Myer, A Freeway linking Cairns-Tsv and A Theme Park smack Bang in Between (Probably Tully or Cardwell.) we'd be like Brisbane and the GC anyway except for the HighRises all around.

Townsville City Council does not bask in the glory of Thuringowa City Council's acheivements. You're confusing the metropolitan area of Townsville with its individual city councils.
I'd have to sit on the fence with this one. Cairnsinite has a good point with the stadium,cinemas and rainforest being geographically in Thuringowa City, very rarely do they mention that its in Thuringowa not Townsville. However both cities have had a history of working together to get facilities for local the area e.g. North Queensland Cowboys, Townsville/Thuringowa waterboard, Townsville General Hospital, the new by-pass project (the one i see that starts near Townsville Hospital) and ends with a bridge over the ross river and the upper ross river road. Cairns similarily has had some history and success working with its local neighbours e.g. Bedminister waste facility to process waste for Cairns,Douglass and Mareeba shires (apparently its been playing up lately, having some stuff ups) Mareeba and Cairns City's commitment to improving safety on the Kuranda range.
With the Case of Dairy Farmers Stadium, i think it is wise for sports commentators and the media to refer to it being in Townsville as everyone across the country are familiar with Townsville and not Thuringowa.

That is very true. I see Mareeba is nearly 20 000 people. That means it'll be granted City status. My Great Uncle, used to talk about the Mulgrave shire. Where was that about. i thought that would've been the Gordonvale - Babinda area of Cairns City Council as that is where the Mulgrave River is.

That is very true. I see Mareeba is nearly 20 000 people. That means it'll be granted City status. My Great Uncle, used to talk about the Mulgrave shire. Where was that about. i thought that would've been the Gordonvale - Babinda area of Cairns City Council as that is where the Mulgrave River is.
The former Mulgrave Shire basically surrounded Cairns like an island surrounded by water. It went as far north as Smithfield and as Far south as near Mirriwini about approx 11kms from Innisfail, and west half way up Giles Range bordering with Eacham Shire. The shire council was based either in Babinda or Gordonvale im not sure, In 1995 The Mayor of Cairns (Kevin Byrne) and the Mayor of Mulgrave shire (Tom Pyne) both contested for the Cairns City Mayor position. Tom Pyne won and the state government gave the go-ahead for Cairns City and Mulgrave Shire to amalgamate.

Okay, I love the Tablelands so much but I dont see the point in Calling it the Cairns Highlands. Cairns isn't even in the Tablelands, it's just a couple of Kms from the bottom. My Dad's whole family was born up there so we go to Malanda every two Months or so mainly on School Holidays to visit my Grandparents and spend a day shopping at Cairns Central.

Okay, I love the Tablelands so much but I dont see the point in Calling it the Cairns Highlands. Cairns isn't even in the Tablelands, it's just a couple of Kms from the bottom. My Dad's whole family was born up there so we go to Malanda every two Months or so mainly on School Holidays to visit my Grandparents and spend a day shopping at Cairns Central.
You have a good point, The Cairns Highlands i believe is more of an advertising stunt to lure more people to the tablelands and surrounding areas, similarily to what i said about the media and sports commentators referring to Dairy Farmers Stadium in Townsville, well everyone across the country is familiar with Cairns right? Cairns Highlands is more of a catch cry: "highlands near cairns city"
If it was called Tableland Highlands or Atherton Highlands not much tourists would be familiar with it. More or less i believe your combining a reputable city with a tourist attracted region (which doesnt recieve much publicity or advertisments) to boost and enhance that region...there i think i have explained that right lol.

praise the lord there aren't any fatalities yet. I feel deeply for the victims after reading the paper and seeing the news. I was planning on going to Brisbane on the Tilt Train for christmas, um i dont know what im going to do just yet. I'll wait for the Transport authority's findings and then decide from there.
I would've been so distressed, being woken up in the middle of the night by a big bang and crash.
We can't say 100% that all trains are safe from derailment. This is the first train crash for the tilt train and lets no more ever occurs, The tilt train has up until now boasted a reputation of safety,style and elegance. Lets just hope that reputation hasn't been permanently damaged. The tilt train is the latest technology in travelling introduced by queensland rail, I've been on the tilt train once to Brisbane from Cairns and i have to say that i had a pleasant and safe journey. Lets hope the tilt train is up and running soon.

I'm glad too that there aren't any fatalities. The bad thing for me is that It was City of Townsville Tilt Train and that it was the diesel tilt. I reckon they should extend electrical services to Townsville or Cairns but however, the diesel tilts were still good. As you were saying, just because its very safe, doesn't mean that it will never de-rail. But it has proven to be quite safe anyway, Look at the Crash, Any other train carrige would've snaped or broken of large bits at different parts any 20 or more people could've died. Look at the Waterfall de-railment, the de-railment was less worse in damage but 9 people were killed.

Official: Townsville, Most Racist city in Australia. To me anyway for now.

Its the attitudes of the non-indigenous population that needs to be looked at. Townsville is a growing urban city attracting people from all walks of life. Attitudes are not something permanent, they can be adjusted to suit thier respective environments. Townsville and Cairns have concentrated populations of indigenous Australians And of course you are going to expect a back lash from both sides in terms of fairness and equity.
Times have changed; gone are the days of martin luther king's struggle for equal rights, Nelson Mandella's plight with Apartheid or Aboriginal Australia's fight for the right to vote and equal rights. Its not Townsville thats racist, its a magnificent city with alot of attractions and development but the people with racist and negative attitudes :)

Thats true I guess, There are some people who think their culture or race is the only one destined to be around and so they start groups like skinheads and K.K.K Propagandists who voice their anger at a group that either scares them or have done nothing wrong to them. The only thing we are guilty of with these groups is the amount of fights or arguments we have with these racist groups. As you said, Gone are the days of Martin Luther King's struggle for equal rights, he was assasinated trying to get many cultures around the world the respect and unity they need and he did that. Nelson Mandela was put in Jail trying to put his voice forward on his issues or breaking laws which he believed did not belong to him or his people and years later he became president of South Africa and he made a change. We now have the right to vote since 1967 and that year also marked the start of Australia's invovlement in Vietnam. Many Indigenious Soldiers (Conscript/Non-Conscript) Died knowing they now had a voice or a say in how their country is run.

The things we need to work on now is better healthcare for us and our families etc. I know that my Average Life Expectancy at Birth is around 63. Mix the Male Aboriginal Average life expectancy and the Average Male Caucasian Life Expectancy and thats what I'd probably get or something close, But the average Indigenious person would have between 50 - 55 years of life expectancy.
Another Thing is, we need real Indigenious Politicians, like Aiden Ridgeway, but from the last election, he's not going to be back in the senate. Not this appointed Indigenious Affairs representitive who is a Caucasian person who he/she thinks what they know what to do.
We also need more Indigenious people in the Workforce. We do, but we dont have many Indigenious Doctors, Pilots, Politicians, Scientists etc or real good jobs that could get us well known. If we had more Indigenious Doctors then my Doctor would be Indigenious (When I'm older), If we had more Indigenious Politicians, Then I would vote for an Indigenious politician. Maybe even more Indigenious Police, then the Indigenious community would trust the police force better knowing there's more Policemen (Bullymen) etc just like them. Its good that we do have alot of Indigenious people working in the public service but thats all we seem to work for, Or sportstars. I like Footy too, mainly Rugby Union but we need more indigenious jobs elsewhere.

Mmmm race wars have never settled in this country since the second war...

True, I'm just going on about it because of alot of Racist Graffiti going around Townsville. I am quite angry about, pissed off in other terms.

True, I'm just going on about it because of alot of Racist Graffiti going around Townsville. I am quite angry about, pissed off in other terms.
In a sense we cant really stop the racist grafiti's however we can educate people that racial discrimination is not right, we are an equal country and thats how it should be.
I suppose this is a free country, people can express thier views. I wish that people who have problems with another culture/race/creed would just keep it to themselves or express it in a non-offending manner.

In a sense we cant really stop the racist grafiti's however we can educate people that racial discrimination is not right, we are an equal country and thats how it should be.
I suppose this is a free country, people can express thier views. I wish that people who have problems with another culture/race/creed would just keep it to themselves or express it in a non-offending manner.

Luckily we do live in a free Democratic Country, if we were in a Communist country, socialist etc, we all might as well get shot for trying to express our views, but however, if we did live in a communist country, we'd all be equal, equal rights, equal pay etc but a bit stupid though.

It can be a bit difficult for me to say which city is better, or the capital or north queensland. Both cities are pretty different, and that said they have different scenes/audiences/purposes. Cairns is tourism, Townsville is business/admin/gateway to mining regions. So due to the major differences between the two i find it is sort of like saying chalk is better than cheese.

However, i suppose i can say that Cairns might have chosen a riskier path than townsville, in that tourism is fickle. One year people might be interested in white water rafting, the next they might want to go and see pyramids. There are lots of tourism possibilities and arguably competition can be fierce.
But I do like to visit Cairns, nevertheless.

Tango

It can be a bit difficult for me to say which city is better, or the capital or north queensland. Both cities are pretty different, and that said they have different scenes/audiences/purposes. Cairns is tourism, Townsville is business/admin/gateway to mining regions. So due to the major differences between the two i find it is sort of like saying chalk is better than cheese.

However, i suppose i can say that Cairns might have chosen a riskier path than townsville, in that tourism is fickle. One year people might be interested in white water rafting, the next they might want to go and see pyramids. There are lots of tourism possibilities and arguably competition can be fierce.
But I do like to visit Cairns, nevertheless.

Tango
Good point tango, both cities have thier advantages and if you were to weigh both up they would make a whole just like yin and yang: Cairns would take care of most of the tourism and tap into the lucrative asian markets and share it with Townsville. Whilst Townsville would take care of the business/admin/defence/commonwealth or state government services as its location is more centralised than Cairns.
so i say Cairns can be in charge of tourism and Townsville the business side of things both would complement each other :)

There was an article in the Townsville Bulletin on Thursday or Friday about How Townsville and Cairns are now starting to settle their differences and getting along.

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I'm going for Townsville, because if I get my way I'll be posted there in May.

Can't wait to go back to Queensland, even though I've never been up north. I'm expecting it to be different to SE QLD but not as different as Victoria is to QLD. (Ie. I want a summer).

RAAF, I had a friend and his family posted to Sale in October, his dad being a RAAF Air Traffic Controller.

RAAF, I had a friend and his family posted to Sale in October, his dad being a RAAF Air Traffic Controller.

You should tell me his surname - chances are I know him. In Sale you can go to the 44 Wing Det. (Tower) or the School of Air Traffic Control. I'm at the school and there's about 20 Air Traffickers at the school plus students - the tower would be lucky to have 8. Even still I know most people at the tower as well. It's a small base, and town - you end up knowing everyone :D

My Infastructure wish list for Cairns and Townsville and Townsville-Cairns area.

Transport:
A 4-laned Highway system the whole length or the great green way.
Cheaper, better, air Connections between Cairns-Townsville, i.e Daily Virgin Flights (which will never happen).
upgrade of the tilt-train from diesel to electric.
Bypass around, Ingham and Innisfail.
Floodproofing of Bruce Hwy.
Surburban railsystems for both TSV and CNS with stations connected to at least as far south as Innisfail for cairns and as far north as Port Douglas even to Mareeba.
For TSV, As far South as Ayr, As far north as Rollingstone and as far west as woodstock.

Thats just Part one.

Cairsinites, how the rain, Townsvillians and Thuringowans, we've got a pre-mature Cyclone on our hands, Cairns is still felling it but we're getting the brunt of it.

Tropical Low is now situated west of Cairns and is slowly intensifying, it is currently at 999 hpa according to the last Bom warning. There is a Severe Weather warning placed between Cairns and Mackay, and Coastal rivers and streams Flood warnings from CNS-MCK, It is moving slowly south south-east toward Townsville and the coast, it has been forcasted that it will be well inland of Townsville by Tommorrow night.

i have read this thread and all you have achieved ferd is thats you are a dickhead.

take my advise and dont make anymore negative threads this is Australia we are better then that.
wake up to yourself.

He has stopped as you could've seen.

i have read this thread and all you have achieved ferd is thats you are a dickhead.

take my advise and dont make anymore negative threads this is Australia we are better then that.
wake up to yourself.
Hello there! i see you havent fully read the thread to really understand whats going on. Instead you just skipped through and picked out the ones that you thought were of importance. Well hello, i may have been a dick head at the start but im over it, to tell you the truth i was jealous of Townsville for having everything but then i suddenly realised that both cities are unique and have things that the other hasnt.
*Take Townsville for instance: it has Dairy Farmers stadium and the cowboys however Cairns gets some cowboys games up here and also pre-season AFL and Cricket Matches.
* Cairns has Myer and a double storey shopping centre thats joined to a railway station that is centrally located (but you dont see me boasting about) where as Townsville has unique shops like MARCO Whare house, The good guys appliance shop, Brody Chickens (the drive through chicken shop near the Townsville hospital)
* Stockland Cairns has a 6 cinema complex where as Stockland Townsville doesnt
* Townsville has the financial/business/government and industrial side of things where as cairns: more tourist orientated.
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I advise you to read the whole thread before you go and make such ridiculous comments, ok i have to admit i was a dick head at the start but i've changed and me and gertzy have been getting along good as well as other Townsville people on skyscraper city.

The rain has stopped now Gertzy but we have been getting quite a lot, today's cairns post says that our january average was higher :)

Yeah, we had a coppping of Rain, we probably had somewhere like 210mm of rain in Three Days,The Sunday night was good, it looked like a Cyclone with reasonably strong winds and the lightning around (Which was Cyclonic Lightning).

glad to see your awake ferd ;)

The Hedley-Twin Towers project has set off another wave of bickering of the Townsville-Cairns Rivarly, mainly between State and Local government Figures and the Papers.

Here's an Article from Today's Townsville Bulletin 5/02/05


Minister not keen on city towers
By SHEREE LINEHAM
05feb05
TOWNSVILLE has copped flak from the State's Environment Minister, who says Cairns is foregoing glitz and glamour to head up the eco-city path.

Responding to an article in the Townsville Bulletin earlier this week that the city would soon be home to the North's tallest unit building, Minister Desley Boyle encouraged Cairns to head in a different direction.

Ms Boyle, who is the Member for Cairns, told the city to forget tall buildings and glitzy big city glamour and aim to become the nation's premier eco-city.

``And that's much better,'' she said. ``Cairns has such wonderful natural assets - nestled between the mountains and the coastline. We're so close to so many significant environmental land marks, the Daintree Rainforest, the Great Barrier Reef, Wet Tropics World Heritage Area and the spectacular Barron Falls."

But while Ms Boyle complimented her home city, Member for Mundingburra and Parliamentary Secretary to the Premier in North Queensland Lindy Nelson-Carr defended hers.

Ms Nelson-Carr said it was understandable for Ms Boyle to sing her city's praises.

``Both cities have their distinctive natural attractions and as a Townsvillian I would certainly stand up for all the great places that Townsville has to offer,'' she said.

``I'm sure nobody wants to see either Townsville or Cairns become another Gold Coast but certainly no developer would contemplate investments in taller buildings in Townsville unless there were superb views to be had and that probably speaks for itself.''

Cairns-based Hedley Group plans to develop a $50 million 19-level residential tower in Townsville's CBD.

Part 2 Later tonight etc.

Editorial taken from Today's Townsville Bulletin.


Apparently size matters to some
CAIRNS MP Desley Boyle clearly has a severe dose of tower envy.
Ms Boyle took time out of her busy schedule as Queensland's Planning Minister to respond to what she described as boasting in the Townsville Bulletin about this city's new tall tower.

She claimed her home city did not need tall buildings to maintain its self esteem.

Instead, she said, Cairns' vertically challenged skyline was a sign of strength, confirming its reputation as an ecotourism mecca.

Putting Ms Boyle's local allegiances aside, it is extraordinary for a Minister to incite such regional rivalry.

The report to which she refers was not boasting, just matter-of-fact.

Planning restrictions mean we will have taller buildings than Cairns, it is that simple.

It would have been easy for Townsville to sneer at its northern rival and point out that this region has ecotourism opportunities as well as a vibrant city centre that is about to head skyward. But we didn't.

It would also have been easy to highlight the fact that a Cairns developer has had to head south to build his dream. But we didn't.

We don't need to.

Cairns Mayor Kevin Byrne also took a snipe at our fortune, suggesting his city couldn't care less.

Given that no one else is talking about it, perhaps this is a case of they protesteth too much.

Both Mr Byrne and Ms Boyle both say they don't want to become another Gold Coast.

There would be those who suggest they should be so lucky.

Imagine how they will protest after today's report about two more towers being planned for our CBD?

The important thing to remember about the Townsville towers is that they are being built in a city environment.

It is not the waterfront or an environmentally sensitive area.

We are not talking giant monoliths, a la Surfers Paradise.

The value of the towers is not their size, nor whether they are bigger than anyone else's.

What these projects represent is the ongoing economic vibrancy of Townsville.

They show the development community is willing to continue investing in a city which is in the middle of an amazing purple patch.

And for that, Townsville should be justifiably proud

Ok im gonna try and sit on the fence with this one however i didnt like the editorial in Saturday's Townsville bulletin.
I agree with Mayor Byrne and Ms Boyle's argument of Cairns keeping with nature and being an eco-friendly city. And i also agree with Mayor Mooney that its a good development proposal for Townsville City.
The Townsville Bulletin is a reputable newspaper that serves its region, however i feel it really likes to keep the Cairns versus Townsville chestnut going (no offence), i mean yeah the T1 is a good proposal for Townsville and good on Hedley for that but to boast about it and get the pot boiling is quite different. Our mayor is only stating a matter of fact : Its a good proposal for Townsville and will benefit the city but we in Cairns wouldnt approve something like that as our town plan (Cairns Plan) restricts it and not only that as mayor Byrne and Ms Boyle said we dont want to become another Gold Coast.

I would also like to add that in terms of high-rise developments its an unfair competition between Cairns and Townsville (as i mentioned before our town plan restricts it and so does the flight path). Darwin will now be competitive with Townsville when the new 33 storey evolution tower is built, i might even write a letter to Townsville bulletin letting them know of Darwin's proposal and to please stop adding fuel to the Cairns-Townsville rivalry.
We should be working together to promote NQ instead of competing over who's the fairest :)

ferdinand - Your absolutely right about the Townsville Bulletin constantly adding fuel to the the Cairns-Townsville rivalry despite both city councils, commerce & tourism bodies trying to water it down. I don't think the Cairns Post is entirely without blame either. I think this is a reflection of the fact that the public still enjoys the rivalry.

I found Desley Boyles comments interesting - it definately seemed like a bit of envy. Besides there's no reason that a city with skyscrapers should be any less eco-friendly than a low rise city.

The Townsville Bulletin and the Cairns Post are both to blame i guess cos at the end of the day its all about business, news,gossip and popularity...
However my instincts tell me that the public will soon get sick of the Cairns-Townsville rivalry if its the main topic to read about in the papers.

Just letting people know there's a Cairns vs Townsville country league match being at Barlow park (im not sure on the dates).
Cairns recently beat Mackay and will go on to play strong contenders Townsville.
I dont know much about country league as i dont follow it.

Thats good, I don't know if they do Townsville vs Cairns Union Matches (They do with like Junior Grades etc) but Country Matches, If they don't, they should do some.

wow its like a mini syd vs. mel

Did you just write that in your signature because you saw the Townsville Panos or did you do that cause you saw this thread.

Does Cairns have any overpasses, or causeways, or just simple small-town infrastructure?

Cairns has an Interchange on Reservoir Road and It has a few Causeways and some canals etc but Its not Small Town either.

Does Cairns have any overpasses, or causeways, or just simple small-town infrastructure?
you could put it down to pretty much simple small-town infrastructure. The city is well served witht the current infrastructures in place

Small Town Infastructure, Can't really put it that way I guess, probably provincinal city Infastructure

Small Town Infastructure, Can't really put it that way I guess, probably provincinal city Infastructure
to me and you its provincial city infrastructure but to a metropolitaner it would be considered STI (small town infrastructure). :)

Yeah, thats true too I guess.

Looks like Cairns is up for another round of Whinging, and bickering, many years of rivalry has ended in a win for Cairns (i.e International Terminal which ended flights to Townsville due to rivalry of Airports, is an example), but this time its Townsville's win in Transportation, which Cairns can't Hack.
The $1b Breakwater development and Cruise Terminal.
Kevin Byrne has his little whinge, Desley Boyle had her's, and of course so did the Cairns Post.
Look, This Rivalry is going on for too long and its gotta stop, but I guess, Its gone on for so long, why stop now.

^ LOL
I heard about that. Oh well, you win some, you lose some!! :)

queensland is the most decentralized state... but thats because of gold & sunshine coasts. not because of anywhere in north queensland. neither could be the capital, because bris is by far the biggest city in not just qld, but the whole north half of the country. no town could be capital when there is a city 2 million people bigger, far big enough to govern qld. but if we needed a capital for nq. which will not happen. id definatley say townsville.

^ who said anywhere in NQ should be capital of the whole state? This thread is more about the good old Cairns/Townsville rivalry - doesn't really have anything to do with South East Queensland.

IMO Queensland is the most decentralised state because of its large regional centres up the coast - Rockhampton, Mackay, Townsville, Cairns. All of these cities began as ports with their own rail systems to their own hinterlands, unlike the other states where the rail systems generally radiated out from the capital city. So, the regional cities developed fairly independently of the capital.

I don't really think that gold & sunshine coasts are an example of decentralisation, as they are really an overflow from Brisbane, rather than cities in their own right.

But, you are right when you say that Townsville would be the natural choice as capital of NQ :)

I realised that this one should've been good as a poll, but anyway it also should've been closed.

This rivally between Cairns and Townsville is hard to understand. Even the Bully and Cairns Post play on it. As far as I am concerned any town north of Sarina ahould stick together.

Anyhow Townsville has always been the capital of NQ. [Except when Bowen was in line for the title last century. [hence the wide streets in Bowen] Cairns has only recently grown like it has. Back in the seventies Cairns was a rival with Mackay [both sugar towns of similar size].

The way Airlie beach is growing at the moment it might fly under the radar and rival everyone soon.

This rivally between Cairns and Townsville is hard to understand. Even the Bully and Cairns Post play on it. As far as I am concerned any town north of Sarina ahould stick together.I agree - it's all pretty self defeating and I really can't see the point. Cairns and it's surrounds are beautiful and will always wear the tourism crown whereas Townsville's Browsville tag is probably apt (albiet unique in it's own way).

Yet Townsville has a strong industrial base that will maintain its strong growth economically whereas Cairns we remain forever beholden to the whims of tourism and the peaks and troughs that go with it. So even though people may be moving to Cairns, it risks ending up like Coffs Harbour - very pretty with lots of people moving there but dying economically because there's no real industry to keep the money moving around.

As for the future NQ State capital - I think neither city deserve the title. I think we should learn from other countries. How many of you could name half of the State capitals in the US (http://www.quia.com/jg/4list.html)? Or, when OZ was federated, why do you think Canberra was selected as capital ahead of Sydney and Melbourne? Why? Because if they'd given it to one, the other would never have stopped complaining.

No, if we're going to improve the cause for Statehold, we should locate the capital somewhere like Charters Towers. Not only would this encourage growth outside of the traditional hotspots, it would take the whole Townsville/Cairns rivalry out of the equation. We'd also see a greater likelyhood of development west of the Great Dividing Range. It's probably geogaphically central to boot.

Although, I'm not sure I could get used to the "Charters Towers International Airport"...

Infact, if Charters became a new State Capital any time soon, Why would they build a new Multi-Million dollar International Airport if the current one isn't used pretty much at all, only for GA and such.

Maybe our Airport should cash off it.

Originally Posted by GoTroppo

So even though people may be moving to Cairns, it risks ending up like Coffs Harbour - very pretty with lots of people moving there but dying economically because there's no real industry to keep the money moving around.

Lets not discount tourism as an industry. Think of Surfers or Hawawi. That's why I mentioned Airlie Beach as a potential growth hotspot.

Point 1 - Whitsunday islands are becoming world famous i.e. Nemo the fish
Point 2 - It gets f ' ing cold in Europe
Point3 - Europeans love the tropics
Point 4 - Bali is F*d (Bali had a hell of a lot of huge hotels)
Point 5 - Phucket is a potientally dangerious area
Point 6 - Europeans hate terrorists
Point 7 - North Queensland is a terrorist free, safe, warm, tropical place.
Point 8 - Airlie Beach is starting too explode.

Lets not discount tourism as an industry.I don't doubt it's potential and when it all comes together it's undoubtly huge and draws in massive amounts of revenue. But it's too fickle - all it needs is another September 11 and it goes stagnant for months/years. It's also vulnerable to the Aussie Dollar - if it's up, foreign tourists end up going elsewhere and if it's down, the Aussie's say bugger off to holidaying at home.

Whereas heavy industry tends to be a little more robust (not always but generally the case). QNI managed to struggle through 5 years of absolutely lousy Nickel prices - it never shut up shop or laid off hundreds of workers. If the tourists slide off, you offload workers in droves. Without that sustainable income base, you have problems with mortgages, you tend to support a transient population, etc, etc, etc.

Point 7 - North Queensland is a terrorist free, safe, warm, tropical place.

We don't really know that for sure, We could have people in Organisations like JI or Fugitive Guerilla groups or Organised Crime (I heard somewhere that Japanese Yakuza members holiday and sometimes do business in Cairns), or even Home-Grown/Independant People who are plotting a Terrorist Attack, Infact I could be a Teenager working for A Cheychen Rebel Group :D, Not but seriously, there could be anyone around the Area using the Area maybe not to Attack, but to secretly plot Attacks down south.

But I do Agree The Airlie is the next big Place in NQ.

@ the earlier comments about NQ state.
Lol
I'm so against a separate North Queensland state. It's a completely ridiculous idea. It's fine as it is.

Yea, I agree with Go Troppo re fickleness of tourist industry. I was a resort duty manager in Airlie during the pilot strike in the 80's. It almost killed the town. [Showing my age].
I've been doing a little research about Airlie and it seems there is currently $1.5 billion worth of projects going on in that area with backers like Trump industries.
The driving force seems to be not so much tourists, but high end unit developments for rich retirees [Sea Change].
I can understand that. Why would you retire in Sydney or New York when you can spend the same amount for a retirement unit in Airlie Beach?

Mario Demartini is experiencing the pressures of Airlie Beach's soaring popularity first hand. As mayor of the Whitsunday Shire Council, he is grappling with the provision of sewerage services for his burgeoning region, which includes Airlie Beach. He says there are $1.5 billion worth of developments either being approved or on the drawing board, with $210 million worth of projects being given the green light at a recent council meeting.
Financial Review

Isn't it Donald's ex Russian Wife Ivana doing that Resort, not Trump Cor itself, Ivana Trump has her own company from an Inheritance from the Divorce and now has a Very Very Upmarket Resort Chain, known as "IVANA".

Its sort of good that there isn't that many High-rise Resorts there, If there were, it would kill of the Atmosphere, Maybe if it were more like Cairns with A Height limit, then that would be alright, or they could have certain areas for that kind of Development.

Yea your right about Ivana Trump.

I agree about the High-rises. All the new developments in Airlie I've seen tend to blend into the rainforest on the hillside. I'd hate to see highrises like they have on Hamilton Island. That's out of place.

Maybe because of the massive developments going ahead, Airlie needs it's own thread. Maybe I'm getting off the Cairns vs Townsville argument.
:)
Also another thread could be the question of North Queensland statehood as mentioned by Go Troppo. As far as as I'm concerned Brisbane is as far away as Sydney. More politicians sound bad, but maybe local politicians would be lobbying for funds in NQ. Not funds that would end up being channelled into SE Qld. I see Wezza is against the idea, so it might end up a heated debate. It can't be as heated as the beginning of this Cairns vs Townsville debate.

Worth a Shot though, Mods can always close it I guess.

There was an article in the Bully about Funding finally being granted to Cardwell Shire Council for floodproofing of the Bruce Highway between Tully and Cardwell.

It mentioned that it will be a new alignment altogether, but with the alignment, it will include space to upgrade the road to 4 lanes when the need arises, It will be 20km long, and two-laned, and Joe Galeno (Cardwell Shire Mayor) says that construction is possibly planned to begin after the 2007 wet season, so thats what, around april/may, or around Winter time.

I reckon that it should be like the current Highway now, but throw in a few Overpasses/Underpasses, and maybe an Interchange or Two, Keep At-Grades at Rural Roads.

I like Cairns Townsvill is a hole

Lets not discount tourism as an industry. Think of Surfers or Hawawi. That's why I mentioned Airlie Beach as a potential growth hotspot.

Point 1 - Whitsunday islands are becoming world famous i.e. Nemo the fish
Point 2 - It gets f ' ing cold in Europe
Point3 - Europeans love the tropics
Point 4 - Bali is F*d (Bali had a hell of a lot of huge hotels)
Point 5 - Phucket is a potientally dangerious area
Point 6 - Europeans hate terrorists
Point 7 - North Queensland is a terrorist free, safe, warm, tropical place.
Point 8 - Airlie Beach is starting too explode.

Oh there is sooooo much demand in Airlie i lived there 3 years ago and went back in december, the town has DOUBLED since then. But even then the council are holding it back a lot they have had many proposals for buildings over 10 storys rejected becuase they don't want it to be like GC, if council let EVEYTHING happen there you could only imagine how fast this place could go ;)

I like Cairns Townsvill is a hole
Yep thanks.

So what's the verdict on this thread then ? Who wins ?
Has the rivalry thing got to a point where some - and I say only some - Townsville people would be s******ing over their breakfast cereal this morning after hearing about the cyclone devastation in Cairns ? Cairns's economic development will almost certainly be curtailed for a while until they get everything back on track, especially the rural people and possible tourism ?

Not that it means much - but of the times I've been to North Queensland
I much prefer Townsville over Cairns. The first time I went to Cairns it was
great - but the second time it was over-run with backpacker stuff and was
just a tourist trap.

I remember Trinity beach where I stayed for a few months. Is there much
development there ? It's a long time since I've been there.

Townsville's economy is alot more stable than Cairns'. Cairns relies heavily on tourism whereas Townsville is alot more industial focused, not to mention the military base (The largest in Australia). So both cities have their ups and downs i guess. Cairns has got pretty good nightlife though!! :)

I like Cairns Townsvill is a holeCare to elabroate on that broadie? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

So what's the verdict on this thread then ? Who wins ?
Has the rivalry thing got to a point where some - and I say only some - Townsville people would be s******ing over their breakfast cereal this morning after hearing about the cyclone devastation in Cairns ? Cairns's economic development will almost certainly be curtailed for a while until they get everything back on track, especially the rural people and possible tourism ?lol, I see 'niggеr' is censored, even when it's part of the word 'sniggеring' :)

Larry is no doubt a massive financial blow for the whole of North Queensland - the economic effects will filter down and hit Townsville hard too. We've already suffered a major financial blow from Larry - three US warships carrying 4000 crew were due to dock in Townsville for shore leave on Sunday but were forced to abort due to the threat of the cyclone, leaving expectant businesses with significant losses (see article here (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18531357-2,00.html)) Tnoy Raggatt also makes the point that the rebuilding effort will even further strain the local construction industry already facing crippling skillls shortages (see article here (http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,18556297%255E14790,00.html))

As for Innisfail, I loved that place - I would have loved to have seen it grow into a city of 50,000+. It's got a great location with the CBD situated on a wide scenic river slightly back from the coast, kind of like Brisbane or Sydney. Hopefully it can fight it's way back. If Darwin can be the city it is today after Tracy, then Innisfail will no doubt come through eventually as well.

Yea Oriolus, I agree about Innisfail. It's a beautiful place with a lot of character. It's a real deep north town.

I love it because of the NQ architecture in the hills around the town. Some of those classic Queenslander houses in town must be a hundred years old. Hopefully all can be restored if they have been damaged.

There seems to be alot of backpackers around the Palmer St area in Townsville since the cyclone. Must have scared them all down this way. As bad as it sounds, the cyclone might actually help Townsville's tourism??

On the Innisfail topic, it is a lovely place, always nice and green. It's also got a good Harbour at Mourilyan. It has plenty of other things goin for it, i'm sure the place will come back bigger and better in the long run. :)

lol, I see 'niggеr' is censored, even when it's part of the word 'sniggеring'

Lol, Lately when I hear or see that word, I get Chappelle's Show stuck in My head
My Dad is currently surveying Damage to Centrelink offices in the Atherton Tablelands Region, he went to Innisfail and Babinda today and will be up there for a week.

Larry is just a real shocker to our part of the Country, especially since its the last major Cyclone to hit the Coast in at least 8 years, Justin I would say would be the worst to hit our coast since 1990, after it killed 7 people at Shute Harbour.

I hope we don't see too many like Larry. Hopefully it's not a trend caused by Global warming. We saw a Cat 5 last year as well but it didn't hit any populated areas, it just skimmed the top of the country.

yeah, we had Ingrid, but I Mean as the worst Cyclone Economically and tragically, and of more significance, Ingrid only had such a significance on our coast as it was the first Cat 5 to form in the Coral sea in a VERY VERY VERY long Time.

yeah, we had Ingrid, but I Mean as the worst Cyclone Economically and tragically, and of more significance, Ingrid only had such a significance on our coast as it was the first Cat 5 to form in the Coral sea in a VERY VERY VERY long Time.

The worst cyclone to ever hit NQ was cyclone Althea in 1971 i think.. It killed i think 5 people and left 1/2 the population of Townsville homeless

Lol, sorry I meant in recent times, but yeah Althea, killed 3 people, pretty much decimated Maggie Island and yeah, left half the city homeless, but the real worst was the Cyclone of Bathurst bay in 1899, left 120 confirmed dead (at that time) and another 299 missing (most were fishermen and sailors), but they are now all confirmed dead, Infact Ingrid crossed north of Bathurst Bay (that little dip in the map north of Cooktown).

In 1918, a cyclone hit the Innisfail, Mission Beach region killing up to 80-100 people and leaving the entire town flattened. In the same year a cyclone hit Mackay killing up to 30 people with a huge storm surge destroying the centre of town.

Mackay is still very worried about cyclone storm surges, as the town is at sea level.

thats what im affraid of... a big tidal surge. I live in pallarenda which is right on the beach. so it wouldnt be a pleasent site.

make sure you Evacuate when a Cyclone heads in, TCC has Label Palleranda as one of most likely areas for A Storm Surge, Railway Estate and the Strand are also Major evac areas for possibility of Storm Surges.

If there is a chance of a tidal surge you'll be ordered to evacuate without a choice. After looking at pictures of the city of Biloxi in the States after Katrina, it's probably a good idea. :)

yeah definately

Everytime i go to Townsville i get a real depressing feeling in that i just wanna go there, do my business and leave. Its just flat and brown (when im there that is) and the place isnt all that appealing to me. No offence to Townsvillians but the big brown hill reminds me of a siamese pimple or a giant termites nest and is very unattractive with that hangman looking thing on the rock. The traffic i find is a nightmare especially on Darylmple rd, woolcock st, Ross River Rd-Nathan St intersection, Thuringowa Dr, Ingham Rd (to name a few, damn i could go on forever naming all the roads cos there aint a couple). Not only that you have the army brigade travelling up and down on the roads in groups of 100 or so playing follow the leader. However i do like the strand but even that can also be another nightmare with all the frequent traffic up and down and also the late night hoons.. In terms of tourism my advice is: you guys should stick to what you know best and that is building more big ugly industrial warehouses & sheds, looking after the army and trying to be environmentally friendly by planting 10million trees everywhere (Greening Townsville) yet the place will always still be brown! oh and while your at it do me a favour and keep an eye on that big factory you have out near blue water may need some trees out there with all that pollution.

You're right, along with the large percentage of Australia, Townsville has that brown dry look. It's great, I love the rugged bush look, I love a sunburnt country.

I also love the Cairns tropical green look as well. Together we all make up what our country is, a diverse great country.

I'm proud of our Army, glad to have them here. Sure we may have some factories, good thing we do, keeps us in business. :)

All that is good about Cairns is their Sofitel Hotel and the International Terminal at the airport which isn't exactly superb. Cairns is too responsive to tourism and we have seen that with larry. Townsville went from strength to stregth during that time. Always will. Townsville is a sprawling metropolis waiting in the wings. While Cairns has some development it is limited in terms of growth due to the huge "green" mountains that surround it.

All that is good about Cairns is their Sofitel Hotel and the International Terminal at the airport which isn't exactly superb. Cairns is too responsive to tourism and we have seen that with larry. Townsville went from strength to stregth during that time. Always will. Townsville is a sprawling metropolis waiting in the wings. While Cairns has some development it is limited in terms of growth due to the huge "green" mountains that surround it.
When the Airlines start flying international out of Townsville then we can compare your international airport to ours. The sofitel hotel is in one of Cairns' prime locations and yes its something to be proud of, Not to mention the thriving CBD which is always bursting with activity.
Yes i agree Cairns is too responsive to tourism and we saw the after effects from Larry, however the tourism industry is very unpredictable; it could go up or down...even a psychic wouldnt be able to predict it...in saying that i mean we could start to get a large influx of european tourists or even domestic. Yes Townsville is a sprawling metropolis and "the state's economic engine room" as proclaimed by mayor mooney and thats good, its good for North Queensland and Cairns: You guys will always be down the road ready to service the needs of the North (would also save us some of the hassles of ordering from Brisbane or interstate) and with that you guys can take care of all the headaches that comes with being a "metropolis waiting in the wings" . We'll let you guys go ahead of us and we will learn from you guys, will help us to plan better to steer Cairns' growth! Yes Cairns is limited in Terms of growth due to those huge "green mountains" and i like it like that, i see those as a natural boundary to Cairns in keeping to its status of a green ecological city. :)

Cairns has a CBD that feels good to walk around. Check out
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=302450

What's special for me is the proximity of the wonderful Flecker Botanical Gardens and the adjacent Centenary Lakes parkland and tropical rain forest.

Since when does the colour or climate of a city make it better than the other ?

Everytime i go to Townsville i get a real depressing feeling in that i just wanna go there, do my business and leave. Its just flat and brown (when im there that is) and the place isnt all that appealing to me. No offence to Townsvillians but the big brown hill reminds me of a siamese pimple or a giant termites nest and is very unattractive with that hangman looking thing on the rock. The traffic i find is a nightmare especially on Darylmple rd, woolcock st, Ross River Rd-Nathan St intersection, Thuringowa Dr, Ingham Rd (to name a few, damn i could go on forever naming all the roads cos there aint a couple). Not only that you have the army brigade travelling up and down on the roads in groups of 100 or so playing follow the leader. However i do like the strand but even that can also be another nightmare with all the frequent traffic up and down and also the late night hoons.. In terms of tourism my advice is: you guys should stick to what you know best and that is building more big ugly industrial warehouses & sheds, looking after the army and trying to be environmentally friendly by planting 10million trees everywhere (Greening Townsville) yet the place will always still be brown! oh and while your at it do me a favour and keep an eye on that big factory you have out near blue water may need some trees out there with all that pollution.

Traffic a nightmare in Townsville??? L.O.L!!! Have you ever driven in Sydney during peak hour? Give me a break! As for Townsville being brown, yes it does get dry during the cooler months. But it's still pretty green here at the moment & has been for quite a while now. Maybe you should come for a visit??

About the international airport, yeah Cairns wins hands down there. Lets compare domestic terminals, Cairns is lagging behind there. Love those aerobridges where you have to walk outside & up a ramp!! LMAO ;) Anyways, i like both Cairns & Townsville, they both have pros & cons.

Since when does the colour or climate of a city make it better than the other ?
Its only my personal opinion and not of the rest of Australia that Townsville doesnt appeal to me because of the dry landscape and surrounding environment...its not that personal as if i'd want to Downgrade Townsville...I just get a depressing feeling coming into Townsville, The industrial activity adds further to the dilema.
In terms of climate i think both would come under the one umbrella of being in the Tropical part of Australia, however both have thier different sub zones: Cairns-Wet Tropics, Townsville-Dry Tropics. :)

Maybe you should save some cash and fly into Townsville next time to get a better view of the area. Unfortunately the bus route from Cairns brings you into the city via the industrial section, however that industrial area is necessary for a city which will be catering to 200,000 residents in the not-too-distant future. Maybe you could compare it to turning up to Cairns on the Coral princess and initially seeing those nasty mud flats, i mean the marine ecosystem. As for the traffic problem.....well what can you expect coming from a smaller regional centre to a larger one? Happy travelling....

Maybe you should save some cash and fly into Townsville next time to get a better view of the area. Unfortunately the bus route from Cairns brings you into the city via the industrial section, however that industrial area is necessary for a city which will be catering to 200,000 residents in the not-too-distant future. Maybe you could compare it to turning up to Cairns on the Coral princess and initially seeing those nasty mud flats, i mean the marine ecosystem. As for the traffic problem.....well what can you expect coming from a smaller regional centre to a larger one? Happy travelling....
with rising fuel prices, i'd prefer not to fly atm :)
And yes your right, that "industrial area" is necessary for that city which will be "catering for 200,000 residents in the not-too-distant future". Just dont over industrialise Townsville please, its just going to become another big smoke, I dont think its making it any better with lobbying the chinese to build thier plant at stuart. Tourists come to places like Cairns or Townsville to escape the hustle and bustle of concrete jungle living.
Maybe we could compare turning up to Townsville on a navy or warship and finding a very lifeless and dull CBD (in particular the old and outdated Flinders mall) :)
I agree with you on the traffic thingy, however its those larger regional centres with thier traffic problems that tourists, backpackers and baby boomers always bypass. :)

When the Airlines start flying international out of Townsville then we can compare your international airport to ours. The sofitel hotel is in one of Cairns' prime locations and yes its something to be proud of, Not to mention the thriving CBD which is always bursting with activity.
Yes i agree Cairns is too responsive to tourism and we saw the after effects from Larry, however the tourism industry is very unpredictable; it could go up or down...even a psychic wouldnt be able to predict it...in saying that i mean we could start to get a large influx of european tourists or even domestic.

Great to see you back Cairnsinite :), just first up, I am currently studying Tourism at school and have just finished a recent project on the tourism industry in both Cities and have found that Townsville also has a huge Tourism potential, but it wont be as big as Cairns. However, my study has found that the Townsville tourism industry has the potential to double the amount of overseas visitors which current just passes 1'000'000, within the next five years. This is all included with the right marketing and trying to pitch the proposal to the right people, but though it still concluded that Cairns will stay on top, despite Civil Aviation in Cairns falling significantly, especially with Australian Airlines being taken over and having some routes dropped, and Natural disaster hinderings.

Traffic in Townsville can get bad at some times, but its not as bad as say, the Gateway Mwy, or South-East Fwy for that matter, or even many of the Motorways in Sydney too, though Dalrymple has that tendancy as it is the main feeder between suburban Thuringowa and the CBD, which can get gridlocked at peak times. No Offence, but i've found Mulgrave road to be busy all the time :).

And Wezza, we can stake to claim that we have a better Dom Terminal, but Cairns has the upper advantage with Retail inside theirs. :)

And Wezza, we can stake to claim that we have a better Dom Terminal, but Cairns has the upper advantage with Retail inside theirs. :)
The Cairns Port Authority are exploring the idea of an intergrated International&Domestic Terminal in the future and yes i feel that needs to be done as the Domestic Terminal is pretty old and needs a makeover

Everyone says Townsville has bad traffic??? :nuts:

After living in Sydney and Melbourne for 12 years, when I returned to Townsville I felt as though there was no traffic in at all. The road were clear. Still are with virtually no hold ups.

Try going to work every day along Parramatta road and the Sydney M4, that gets hectic.

I also lived in Bangkok for 4 years. If you want to see bad traffic, go to Bangkok. :okay:

Maybe we could compare turning up to Townsville on a navy or warship and finding a very lifeless and dull CBD (in particular the old and outdated Flinders mall) :)

Yes i agree the Flinders Mall is very otudated, but i have to say, Cairns CBD is nothing great, in fact i found alot of the old shops between the Mall-ish thing all the way to Cairns Central, to be very run down & a real eyesore. Kinda reminded me of Flinders St west actually.

That is true...concerning the dull Townsville CBD.
All I can say is that the people running Cairns seem to be doing a far better job than the ones in Townsville....I was actually in the mall recently and it is discusting and unsafe. I so hope we get a new mayor next election, as I think Tony has been in for too long, and is too indecisive......stop spending thousands on public polling, as someone will always disagree, and just build build build. :bash:

^^
Yeah Tony Mooney needs to go, i'm not a fan of his at all.

We can settle this debate right now.....

Townsville has a drive thru Subway..... beat that Cairns :)

We can settle this debate right now.....

Townsville has a drive thru Subway..... beat that Cairns :)
Is that the best you can come up with? lol not to mention the drive through cheese cake shop on Charter's Towers Rd. Who really cares a drive thru is a drive thru- nothing new in that, comes in many forms: fast food, liquor outlets, dry cleaners drive thru...etc.. Ok this debate is going no where i think the moderator should close this thread.

Dude, you're not getting your tail up are you?? It's all light hearted banter. Nothing serious.

Dude, you're not getting your tail up are you?? It's all light hearted banter. Nothing serious.
This is a stupid debate thats going nowhere...all we are doing is nit picking and making uncalled for comparisons of what each city has, its just pathetic! im sure we have better things to do with ourselves than to act childish and adopt the "our city is better than your city because we have this" attitude.

Cairnsinite, I'll try to be diplomatic. Didn't you start this by having a go at Townsville??

Hey, I think you'll find most Townsville members have always been happy with any progress Cairns has made, as well as Townsville. We are all proud North Queenslanders.

Cairnsinite, I'll try to be diplomatic. Didn't you start this by having a go at Townsville??
ok i admit i was having bit of go at Townsville with my comments:In terms of tourism my advice is: you guys should stick to what you know best and that is building more big ugly industrial warehouses & sheds, looking after the army and trying to be environmentally friendly by planting 10million trees everywhere (Greening Townsville) yet the place will always still be brown! oh and while your at it do me a favour and keep an eye on that big factory you have out near blue water may need some trees out there with all that pollution. However on the other hand i was just highlighting my experiences in Townsville which you may find is leaning more to towards the negative side, i have said before i have nothing personal against Townsville, as quoted by me Its only my personal opinion and not of the rest of Australia that Townsville doesnt appeal to me because of the dry landscape and surrounding environment...its not that personal as if i'd want to Downgrade Townsville...I just get a depressing feeling coming into Townsville, The industrial activity adds further to the dilema.
In terms of climate i think both would come under the one umbrella of being in the Tropical part of Australia, however both have thier different sub zones: Cairns-Wet Tropics, Townsville-Dry Tropics. Everyone has thier personal opinions of cities/towns/places they like and hate...unfortunately Townsville just doesnt appeal to me.
...Hey, I think you'll find most Townsville members have always been happy with any progress Cairns has made, as well as Townsville. We are all proud North Queenslanders.
I agree with you and its a good thing for all of North Queensland...Townsville wants to be recognised as the capital of the North, then thats good for them - brings the major services and supplies closer to everyone in North Queensland with it being based in Townsville. :)

^^ But either way, Townsville's landscape is similar to that of Brissie's, Brissy is just surround by Bush, but its a fair bit greener though, but though, Mt Stuart is looking very Green atm.

Hey Cairnsinite, like Cairns, Townsville's OK. It might be a little brown in summer, and sure we've got things to improve on. The mall is one example. But there are worse places around.
I reckon millions upon millions of people in the world would kill to live in a rich Australian tropical city like Townsville, which is a tropical paradise, right on the Great Barrier Reef, with not one slum at all to be seen. :)
Sh*t, we've both got it good.

Some stupid Kid at my school thinks Vincent is a real Ghetto, he reckoned there was a drive by there one time, but he's just a stupid kid who thinks he's afro.

Tell him to go to a real Ghetto overseas where suburbs of people live in cardboard boxes. :)

^^ And the dumbarse reckons he's shot at a gang member in Vincent :ROFL:, What a bloody loser.

And he thinks Canada is the most crime ridden country in the world, what a dumbarse :D.

The guy obviously thinks that's cool.

Shooting at anyone can bring a few years in the big house. That's not cool. Tell him to wake up to himself. :bash:

Lets compare domestic terminals, Cairns is lagging behind there. Love those aerobridges where you have to walk outside & up a ramp!! LMAO ;)
Townsville is still new to using aerobridges...It wasnt that long ago to board a 737 flight, you had to walk outside onto the road and climb a ladder to get to your flight LMAO :)
ps. Its about time Townsville airport caught up with Cairns and Darwin in terms of using aerobridges