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Christian_123

August 24th, 2009, 04:34 PM

What made you say that what we have now screwed up the original plan of Luneta? Do you have a copy of the original blueprint of Luneta to say that trees were not supposed to be planted the way it is now? And what made you say with utmost certainty that the National Mall will be replicated in Luneta in its entirety. Do you have the documents to substantiate it?

Original Manila plans:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/BurnhamPlanOf-Manila.jpg/732px-BurnhamPlanOf-Manila.jpg

Closeup of the original luneta plan:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1093/luneta.jpg

And a REAL CLOSEUP of the original luneta plan:
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/201/600x600/65/P7093328.JPG?et=T05abUYQ4a1IqD8cugmp9A&nmid=104881192

and a SUPER CLOSE UP of luneta's capitol building:
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/201/600x600/67/P7093330.JPG?et=JneWmkrrGxKdywFNKuCH6g&nmid=104881192

Look closely at luneta, It resembles the national mall itself. So, Burnham did originally planned to re-create the national mall on wallace field (today's luneta park).

Also, this 1980's photo shows what luneta should really look like:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Manilagovt.jpg

And not this crap with buttloads of trees you guys apparently love:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3038/2514897741_8306c0f5cd_b.jpg

Also, Here's a list of how we screwed up the plan:

1: We allowed skyscrapers near luneta even though it was originally planned as the national mall of manila. NOT FRIGGEN CENTRAL PARK as you guys always say.

2: Inconsistent paint scheme. All structures should be all white near and around luneta to match the neoclassicals. Not pink, blue, red, or rainbow!

3: It was originally planned that all structures near luneta should be neo-classicals. Not a smash up of neo-classical's next to a modern mall and a spanish era house next to a skyscraper.

4: We allowed structures to be taller than the neo-classical's like the legislative building and other structures seen in agrifina circle. Even though we ironically don't allow it near QC Memorial Circle.

5: We turned an "Open air" park into a tasteless jungle with rainbow duckies flanking the sides of luneta's pond.

...The list goes epically on.

And please stop editing your comments.

It's better to edit than double post :nuts:

For me, personally, dapat ng bawas bawasan ang mga trees sa luneta. Sobrang out of place na un ibang mga puno sa luneta to the point na hinde na talaga nakakatawa...

shyaman

August 24th, 2009, 11:21 PM

Original Manila plans:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/BurnhamPlanOf-Manila.jpg/732px-BurnhamPlanOf-Manila.jpg

Closeup of the original luneta plan:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1093/luneta.jpgWow. What a commendable digging you had there. The way I see the photos, that's not the original plan of Rizal Park. That's a plan for a government center in Manila, specifically to give the proposed Capitol Building a wide frontage. Apparently, the Capitol Building and the rest of those other buildings did not materialize. I just can't figure out where the Tourism and the National Museum (formerly the Dept of finance building) are in those plans. And man, that was 1905. If the government center plan did not push through, don't expect the urban planners in the first quarter of the 1900s to stick with the landscaping.

That's not the original plan of Luneta. Luneta was developed to provide a site for the shrine of our national hero and at the same time to give Manila a park fit for a leisurely stroll within the confines of the city.

As far as I know, Burnham's plan was NOT the original plan for Luneta. Obviously that was superseded. Do some more digging and look for the original plan of Luneta. ;)

As for those other issues you stated (items 1-4), those are off-topic worthy of a different series of discussion. I may agree to some of those to be honest. But last time I checked we're talking about trees and the park's lay-out, and Luneta is still an open air park. I don't see it enclosed and roofed.

It's better to edit than double post :nuts:

For me, personally, dapat ng bawas bawasan ang mga trees sa luneta. Sobrang out of place na un ibang mga puno sa luneta to the point na hinde na talaga nakakatawa...

Oh-uh. It's better to post again if you have something else to say rather than replacing what you've already stated and digress from your original statement.

FlashCollider

August 25th, 2009, 12:51 AM

Original Manila plans:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/BurnhamPlanOf-Manila.jpg/732px-BurnhamPlanOf-Manila.jpg

Closeup of the original luneta plan:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1093/luneta.jpg

You do have a point but your tackiness took away substance from your argument ie it shows sobrang busabos ang pinoy.

If you find something that is not to your liking just state your point without being vulgar. Show what kind of education you have compare to the busabos people you hate.

Christian_123

August 25th, 2009, 01:15 AM

Wow. What a commendable digging you had there. The way I see the photos, that's not the original plan of Rizal Park. That's a plan for a government center in Manila, specifically to give the proposed Capitol Building a wide frontage. Apparently, the Capitol Building and the rest of those other buildings did not materialize. I just can't figure out where the Tourism and the National Museum (formerly the Dept of finance building) are in those plans. And man, that was 1905. If the government center plan did not push through, don't expect the urban planners in the first quarter of the 1900s to stick with the landscaping.

That's not the original plan of Luneta. Luneta was developed to provide a site for the shrine of our national hero and at the same time to give Manila a park fit for a leisurely stroll within the confines of the city.

As far as I know, Burnham's plan was NOT the original plan for Luneta. Obviously that was superseded. Do some more digging and look for the original plan of Luneta. ;)

As for those other issues you stated (items 1-4), those are off-topic worthy of a different series of discussion. I may agree to some of those to be honest. But last time I checked we're talking about trees and the park's lay-out, and Luneta is still an open air park. I don't see it enclosed and roofed.

Let's see, here's why luneta is a park today and not a goverment center as proposed:

courtesy of: Traveler on foot (http://traveleronfoot.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-aborted-plan-of-daniel-burnham/")

Burnham’s vision for Manila was a government center occupying all of Wallace Field, which extends from Luneta to the present Taft Avenue. The Philippines Capitol was to rise on the Taft Avenue end of the field, facing toward the sea, and would form, with the buildings of different government bureaus and departments, a mighty quadrangle, lagoon in the center and a monument to Rizal at its Luneta end.

Of Burnham’s proposed government center, only three units were built: the Legislative Building (originally intended as the National Library) and the building of the Finance (currently the Museum of the Filipino People) and Agricultural (Tourism Department) departments, which were completed on the eve of the War. By then, Mr. Quezon had doomed the Burnham Plan by creating a new capital outside Manila, which was named after him –Quezon City.

Bad move manuel :bash: !

Those neo-classicals are living proof that luneta was/is slated to be a goverment center and a mini park for rizal and not the jungle park we have today. Also, those photo's i dugged up are the genuine plans for luneta itself.

Luneta, after the plan was doomed and aborted; They planned it to be a open park that overlooks the Manila bay and the marcos regime followed the plan interm's of landscaping. Thats why there's a huge open space everywhere in luneta and the neo-classicals are painted WHITE and there's a skating rink at agrifina circle.

Trees are good but too much is just too much. Dapat ng bawasan ang mga puno sa luneta since it was designed as a national mall of manila and NOT CENTRAL PARK.

Tapos, dapat ng gawing all-white uli ang mga neo-classical structures dahil sobrang sagwa ng pink, yellow and grey scheme it currently have...

Oh-uh. It's better to post again if you have something else to say rather than replacing what you've already stated and digress from your original statement.

I just edit it to fix typo's i made. As for the comments, it never changed. ;)

Christian_123

August 25th, 2009, 01:30 AM

You do have a point but your tackiness took away substance from your argument ie it shows sobrang busabos ang pinoy.

If you find something that is not to your liking just state your point without being vulgar. Show what kind of education you have compare to the busabos people you hate.

As willie revillame say: "Totoong tao lang ako" :lol: !

Pasensya na, talagang vulgar lang ako at wala na akong magagawa dun..lalo na kung nadala ako ng galit :naughty:.. at meron akong rason bakit ko tinawag na busabos ang pinoy...

Take a look:

From this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lDmimhNp2AQ/RrjwatCbtsI/AAAAAAAAA0g/0TIqtzmFG40/s400/Picture19.jpg

To this:

http://photos.paulschedler.net/Photos/7/4/6/74672889d385447c91fe09df5fb912e9-md-Manila-National%20Capital%20Region-Philippines-Clouds-Flowers-Park-Photography-Pictures-Reflections-Rizal-Water.jpg
by mr. paul schedler

Sino bang hinde magagalit dito? From a world-class looking a park that's par with D.C.'s national mall, we turned it into a cheesy and sobrang pangit park...
Sobrang binaboy na talaga ang luneta park after the marcos era ended...

shyaman

August 25th, 2009, 03:16 AM

Let's see, here's why luneta is a park today and not a goverment center as proposed:

courtesy of: Traveler on foot (http://traveleronfoot.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-aborted-plan-of-daniel-burnham/")

Bad move manuel :bash: !

Those neo-classicals are living proof that luneta was/is slated to be a goverment center and a mini park for rizal and not the jungle park we have today. Also, those photo's i dugged up are the genuine plans for luneta itself.

Luneta, after the plan was doomed and aborted; They planned it to be a open park that overlooks the Manila bay and the marcos regime followed the plan interm's of landscaping. Thats why there's a huge open space everywhere in luneta and the neo-classicals are painted WHITE and there's a skating rink at agrifina circle.

Burnham’s vision was a government centre. It was NOT a park. It’s more of a piazza or a city square that was proposed. What you have in mind and kept on defending of what Luneta should look like is NOT a park. Burnham’s plan is NOT Luneta so you may as well cease calling Burnham’s plan as the original plan of Luneta.

I say this again, Luneta of the 60s or 70s was at its early stage of development. What you saw in the photo as a treeless Luneta does not mean that broad-leaf trees were not planted at that time. Trees take decades to fully grow and mature. Thus those trees that you see now were probably planted sometime in the 60s or 70s. So what made you think that those trees were not in the original plan of Luneta (not Burnham’s government center) during the Marcos regime?

Trees are good but too much is just too much. Dapat ng bawasan ang mga puno sa luneta since it was designed as a national mall of manila and NOT CENTRAL PARK.

Those trees are much older than you. Cause-oriented groups actually wanted to plant more trees in cities. On the other hand, you want them stripped off. :ohno:

And why are you so fixated on the mall? I think you’re the one who has colonial mentality. And who said I want Luneta to be designed like Central Park? It was only mentioned to give credence that lots of trees is a normal feature of a park, otherwise you can stop calling it a park. So instead of Rizal Park, you may want to call it as Rizal Playing Field, or Rizal Parade Grounds, or Piazza de Rizal, or Rizal Square instead.

I just edit it to fix typo's i made. As for the comments, it never changed. ;)

Oh really? So how do you explain this:

Your edited post:
The National mall is still following the plan and the foliage is well trimmed and controlled.

While Luneta on the otherhand, It shows na sobrang busabos ang pinoy. Tanim duon, tanim dito tapos lagay pa tayo ng red cheapipay tiles and rainbow duck statues! oh and... lagay natin si lapu lapu sa RIZAL Park and paint the neoclassicals yellow and grey! Yehey!! :bash:

Infact nga, dapat walang skyscrapers sa tabi ng luneta eh. Dapat puro neo-classical na all white parang ito:

Your original post:
The National mall is trimmed and the tree count is controlled AT MALINIS. While Luneta on the otherhand, It shows na sobrang busabos ang pinoy. Infact, dapat walang skyscrapers sa tabi ng luneta eh..

Dapat ganito yan:

Those are not typo errors. You’re trying to inject other issues into your arguments when in fact we were only discussing the trees of Luneta.

As willie revillame say: "Totoong tao lang ako" :lol: !

Pasensya na, talagang vulgar lang ako at wala na akong magagawa dun..lalo na kung nadala ako ng galit :naughty:.. at meron akong rason bakit ko tinawag na busabos ang pinoy...

Sino bang hinde magagalit dito? From a world-class looking a park that's par with D.C.'s national mall, we turned it into a cheesy and sobrang pangit park...
Sobrang binaboy na talaga ang luneta park after the marcos era ended...

Don’t be naïve when taking a stand. Whining is totally different from making a negative opinion on something. If you’re mature enough, you can stop whining and do something about it. If you think what they did to Rizal Park was such a bad idea that merit your angst, you can probably do something about it to relieve you of your predicament. So, what have you done so far aside from whining in this forum?

FlashCollider

August 25th, 2009, 03:42 AM

As willie revillame say: "Totoong tao lang ako" :lol: !

Pasensya na, talagang vulgar lang ako at wala na akong magagawa dun..lalo na kung nadala ako ng galit :naughty:.. at meron akong rason bakit ko tinawag na busabos ang pinoy...

Take a look:

From this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lDmimhNp2AQ/RrjwatCbtsI/AAAAAAAAA0g/0TIqtzmFG40/s400/Picture19.jpg

To this:

Sino bang hinde magagalit dito? From a world-class looking a park that's par with D.C.'s national mall, we turned it into a cheesy and sobrang pangit park...
Sobrang binaboy na talaga ang luneta park after the marcos era ended...

Being true to yourself does not give you license to be rude or disrespectful. The curse of an educated man is to be forever aware of the things that comes out of his mouth.

kalbongdad

August 25th, 2009, 05:56 AM

Christian_123

August 25th, 2009, 08:01 AM

dvbaicrviser

August 25th, 2009, 11:15 AM

Kailangan lang siguro ng pruning gaya ng ginawa sa mga puno sa ground ng UST.

watcher09

August 25th, 2009, 12:22 PM

So many pictures posted. The real picture in question was the part showing the field in front of the grandstand and the Rizal Monument area. Again, this part of Luneta still looks good with trees abound on its sides.

As one forumer has pointed out, trees are planted on designated places, hence, you cannot find trees grouping in the middle of the field, park, etc. For me, I prefer these trees to stay there. Even the National Mall has lots of trees. Although, I believe that the globe fountain must be re-installed at Agripina Circle sans the trees as this must be visible from afar.

Yes, I love trees, and I love parks full of trees. I have yet to see an open park without a tree. :):lol::)

watcher09

August 25th, 2009, 01:21 PM

i see both your point....i have been both to luneta and the mall...sa dc....so i have a pretty good idea of the difference....dito sa pinas dahil sa kagustuhan natin maki uso sa pagtatanim ng puno para daw sa environment....tanim lang tayo ng tanim without considering aesthetics.....1. notice na ang mga puno dun sa the mall ay mga punggok..2.a hindi nya tinatakpan ang kagandahan ng isang gusali...3. nakaka protect sya sa init sa mga taong naglalakad sa tabi pero hindi nya sinisira ang ang paningin mo sa mga gusali ....tingnan mo ang sa luneta...2.b lubog na ang national library at ang planetarium...napalibutan na sya ng puno...na hindi mo na makita ang kagandahan ng gusali....dapat meron plano ang paglalagay ng puno para magkaroon ito ng aesthetic value o effect..... anyway...yung mga nagpapatakbo dyan ay malamang walang idea on what a park should be...lalo na kung makikita mo mismo ang loob ng luneta..maiinis ka kung sino man ang clueless na admin nito....

I'm so sorry Dad to disagree with you on some points.

1. Most of the trees planted on Luneta grounds are meant to grow taller and wider than the average trees. You cannot make them "punggok". By the looks of them, it is to be construed that the planners of the park had this intention for them to provide shades and jungle-look amidst the city. Trees along walk ways are naturally pruned for aesthetic reasons. You can see them in Luneta.

2. You can still behold the beauty of Planetarium by going to its front along Burgos Drive and the National Library's along T. M. Kalaw. Why look at their back? If they were intended to be seen on their back, then, they should have been built taller knowing fully well that trees would someday grow taller than a two-storey (or more) building.

3. Well, I cannot see any building along Burgos Drive for trees to block its view. Buildings along T. M. Kalaw are tall enough for any obstruction.

Yes, I love trees, and I love parks full of trees. I haven't seen a park without a tree yet.

Christian_123

August 26th, 2009, 02:22 AM

I'm so sorry Dad to disagree with you on some points.

1. Most of the trees planted on Luneta grounds are meant to grow taller and wider than the average trees. You cannot make them "punggok". By the looks of them, it is to be construed that the planners of the park had this intention for them to provide shades and jungle-look amidst the city. Trees along walk ways are naturally pruned for aesthetic reasons. You can see them in Luneta.

Wait, Luneta today has planners or just they have the plan to just plant everywhere para makiuso para sa "environment" :lol: ?! The Americans managed to make the trees "small" enough to not bury the neo-classicals on D.C.'s National mall for hundreds of years. So why can't we do it on Manila's National mall? O talagang bobo lang ang mga planners ng luneta?

Also, Imagine this getting buried on huge trees as seen in luneta:
http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/ga/landmarks-us_national-mall-landmark.jpg

http://www.toptourguide.com/article/uploaded_images/National_Mall,_DC-746139.jpg

Diba ang sagwa?

2. You can still behold the beauty of Planetarium by going to its front along Burgos Drive and the National Library's along T. M. Kalaw. Why look at their back? If they were intended to be seen on their back, then, they should have been built taller knowing fully well that trees would someday grow taller than a two-storey (or more) building.

The structures were originally designed to be seen in all angles kaya symmetrical to, pretty much like the one's on D.C.. Thanks to us filipinos, We never trimmed the trees after we planted it. Now, It got buried under massive and uncontrolled numbers of trees. Kaya ngayon, natago na ng husto un natitirang architectural gems natin.

3. Well, I cannot see any building along Burgos Drive for trees to block its view. Buildings along T. M. Kalaw are tall enough for any obstruction.

Well, the some of the structures in T.M. Kalaw are skyscrapers :nuts:.

Yes, I love trees, and I love parks full of trees. I haven't seen a park without a tree yet.

Hmmm, If we can't cut some trees on luneta. We can always bail it out and plant it in your yard! :naughty:

:banana:

FlashCollider

August 26th, 2009, 03:18 AM

kakatawa natong pagtatalo na to. now that we established that the trees at luneta park were not planted properly and it pale in to comparisson with dc mall can we move on now? Tama na yang pagtatalo na yan at umiikot lang tayo sa usapan.

Christian_123

August 26th, 2009, 03:22 AM

Sige, tama na :banana: !

Animo

August 26th, 2009, 04:48 AM

By Ambeth Ocampo (http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20090826-222025/Luneta-The-killing-field)
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:56:00 08/26/2009

The order from Malacañang, as communicated by Press Secretary Cerge Remonde, is for a monument for the dear departed Corazon Aquino to be erected in Rizal Park within six months. Most people who heard about this plan asked, “But isn’t Rizal Park for Jose Rizal?”

Unfazed, Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim jumped the gun on everyone by naming a hospital and school in honor of Ms Aquino. He also expressed his wish that the City Council would pass an ordinance renaming Lambingan Bridge in honor of Ms Aquino. Last Aug. 21, in the shadow of the emaciated Ninoy Aquino monument and before assembled members of the Aquino family, Lim announced that a monument to Ms Aquino would join that of her husband on the corner of Roxas Boulevard and P. Burgos Street by the time her birthday comes on Jan. 24, 2010. The site is bounded by the Manila Hotel, the silent watchtowers of Intramuros on Bastion de San Diego, and the actual site where Rizal was executed, so it can be considered part of Rizal Park although it remains outside the area declared as a National Historical Landmark dedicated to Rizal.

Most people know that “kilometer zero” or the base from which all distances throughout the archipelago are reckoned and indicated in kilometer posts on our national roads is a spot near the Rizal monument. What people tend to overlook is that Rizal is buried under the monument that does not stand on the exact spot where he fell dead.

Because all the tourists and Filipinos taking souvenir snapshots are focused on the monument, they overlook other important landmarks in Rizal Park like the memorial to Rizal’s friend Ferdinand Blumentritt from Litomerice in the present Czech Republic. There is also a neglected fountain here that was given to the Philippines by Germany because it was one of the public water dispensers from which Rizal drank when he was a student in Heidelberg. But the landmark that is most often overlooked is a squat white obelisk behind the Rizal monument marking the spot where Jose Burgos, Mariano Gomez, and Jacinto Zamora were executed in 1872.

Today Rizal Park is a place for a Sunday stroll, a place to relax and enjoy one of the few endangered open public spaces in Manila. Because it is a park, people forget its origins as “Bagumbayan,” the “new” settlement outside the walls of Intramuros. It was here that many Filipino criminals were executed. Rizal Park, the Luneta, or Bagumbayan has been described as a “killing field,” its ground fertilized by the blood of petty criminals and those who have been re-invented by history, like Gomburza, Rizal, and many Katipuneros who may have been criminals or insurgents to the Spanish government but were considered martyrs, patriots and heroes by Filipinos.

Browsing over the wonderful photographs in a tourist guidebook “The Picturesque Philippines” (Springfield, Ohio: 1900), I was surprised to find pictures of the garrote and text that explains how this terrible instrument worked. Contrary to popular belief the victim was not killed slowly by strangulation; rather the garrote killed swiftly by breaking the neck. In principle it is humane and painless. But since nobody has survived to tell us this is true, then we take the executioner’s word for it. The text reads:

“The execution of criminals under Spanish law was by garroting in public. Fiesta-loving Manila made the most of such occasions, thousands upon thousands turning out to see a poor wretch die. The fatal procession would move from the jail around sunrise—cavalry, priests on foot or in carriages, a functionary wearing an apron and carrying the sacred banner of the Church embroidered in black and gold, the prison officials, and in an open carromata within a marching square of soldiery the condemned man, with a priest seated on each side exhorting or comforting him; then the executioner, walking by himself, and finally some more infantry with fixed bayonets.

“A crowd of people had been assembling for some time, and the guards surrounding the raised platform on which the execution was to take place had as much as they could do to keep it back. People were there on foot and in carriages, all classes of both sexes, young and old, arrayed in their Sunday best.

“The garrote may be briefly described as a collar of brass or iron, its front piece opening on a hinge, and part of its back piece capable of being thrust forward under the impulse of a big screw that works through the upright post to which the victim, with his neck inside the collar, has been fastened. The screw in question is operated on the same principle as in an ordinary letter-press. When all was ready the executioner would give the screw-handle a complete turn, and the moving back piece would be pushed forward against the victim’s spine, at the base of the neck, with such force as to snap the spinal cord and produce instantaneous death. The more finished instruments had a stout pin in the back piece to pierce the spine, and cause death without crushing the corpse so much. The Manila executioners were always pardoned criminals, holding their lives on condition of breaking the necks of others, and they were better paid than forty-nine teachers out of every fifty that were carried by the Department of Education.”

Manila must have been so boring that people looked forward to Sunday executions as part of the week’s entertainment.

Comments are welcome at aocampo@ateneo.edu

le Reine

August 27th, 2009, 02:59 PM

The way I see the photos, that's not the original plan of Rizal Park. That's a plan for a government center in Manila, specifically to give the proposed Capitol Building a wide frontage. Apparently, the Capitol Building and the rest of those other buildings did not materialize. I just can't figure out where the Tourism and the National Museum (formerly the Dept of finance building) are in those plans.
Bong, look at the inverted U on the map below composed of 5 buildings near Intramuros (labeled as Government Center). That's where the neoclassical buildings were planned to be erected, the largest is supposed to be the Legislative Building. Unfortunately, only 2 buildings, the Agriculture (National Museum) and Finance (now Tourism) buildings or AgriFina, in the planned U shaped complex was built. The middle part was not built (composed of 3 buildings), is now occupied by a forest-y looking park, the relief map of the Philippines and the Children's Playground.

That's not the original plan of Luneta. Luneta was developed to provide a site for the shrine of our national hero and at the same time to give Manila a park fit for a leisurely stroll within the confines of the city.Bong, now I understand why both of you can't agree on the park issue. It's because both of you are talking about 2 different things. :lol:

Christian_123 was talking about Rizal Park at present. He's right, the Luneta we call now are mostly composed of the government center envisioned by Burnham. Rizal Park now has 4 sections (1. The Quirino Grandstand; 2. The empty field next to it, was formerly called Burnham Green; 3. The largest part where the Rizal Monument stands and includes the man-made lagoon, the Chinese and Japanese Gardens, Planetarium, etc; and lastly 4. The AgriFina Loop, which includes the map and other parks).

What shyaman was referring to was the original Rizal Park or what they called the Bagumbayan during the Spanish era. It was called Luneta because it was shaped like the moon (lunette).

Look at this image and you'll know what I am talking about:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2057/2422278499_a3bcee7897_b.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3209/1105/1600/detailburnham3.jpg
from a hundred years hence blog by Urbano De La Cruz

To clarify things up:
In the Burnham Plan of Manila 1905, Rizal Park was planned way way smaller than what we have now. Burnham planned Rizal Park with the Rizal Monument only on what is now Quirino Grandstand. Why did he do this? It's because La Luneta during the Spanish Era was just beside Manila Bay. Remember, during the American Occupation, the Burnham Green and the New Luneta (please refer to the picture above) were reclaimed land from Manila Bay. So he planned that the new site should be near the bay as well to give dignity to the hero and also serve as a connection between the bay and the people who would stroll around that park, which was not yet polluted and very beautiful at that time. It is also the same reason why Manila Hotel was placed there, same with other important buildings during the American Occupation like the Elk's, Army & Navy Club and the US Embassy (still unreclaimed in the pic)

But there was some sharp turn of events. Quezon wanted to change the capital to what is now Quezon City. And the funds for building the capitol in Manila was diverted for irrigation, which further stalled or even canceled most of the plan. And lastly, World War II came and Manila never followed the plan since then. Worse of all was the lack of urban planning during the post-war period, which resulted to chaotic building of structures around Manila, even occupying the walls of Intramuros (was pulvurized to the ground during WWII and would only be restored 4 decades after the war)

The Rizal Park the we have now is 3-4 times larger than what was planned by Burnham. The original Rizal Park was smaller than planned because the larger parks are planned to be built on the borders, which are now located in the north-eastern (if I'm not mistaken it is now called New Manila coming from España to Quezon Ave) and southern part (now Harrison Plaza) of the city.

Those neo-classicals are living proof that luneta was/is slated to be a goverment center and a mini park for rizal and not the jungle park we have today. Also, those photo's i dugged up are the genuine plans for luneta itself.

Take a look:
http://photos.paulschedler.net/Photos/7/4/6/74672889d385447c91fe09df5fb912e9-md-Manila-National%20Capital%20Region-Philippines-Clouds-Flowers-Park-Photography-Pictures-Reflections-Rizal-Water.jpg

Sino bang hinde magagalit dito? From a world-class looking a park that's par with D.C.'s national mall, we turned it into a cheesy and sobrang pangit park. Sobrang binaboy na talaga ang luneta park after the marcos era ended...I, myself, am also being optimistic about Burnham's Plan. But, let's face reality. It is almost impossible to religiously follow it now because it would take an enormous amount of resources to do it. It would cost billions of pesos just to remove those structures that occupied the periphery of the present Rizal Park, it would cost billions more to build it. Also, the political, social, and economical circumstances would not allow it. Remember, the current Rizal Park that we have now has taken a life of its own. Meaning, it has become important on itself mainly because time is moving constantly. Rizal Park that we have now is a repository of collective memories of the post war era. For example, we cannot just remove the Rizal Monument and place it on the original place where Burnham wanted it to be. It would bring a lot of protest (remember, even the placing a pylon on top of the monument already caused a national uproar). We cannot demolish the Quirino Grandstand anymore because it is part of history itself (almost all Presidents of the Third Republic were inaugurated there) and many more other examples.

I believe that what we should do is improve what we have now. Rizal Park is not as baboy as what you want to portray. In fact, I still jog and stroll there when I'm not busy and I was never mugged or anything. It is still a place where many people visit and have a rest, therefore it serves it purpose. A park is made to be a breathing space of the city. And on that point alone, I believe, Rizal Park has served its purpose despite the insufficient funds.

Although I agree with you on some points like:
1. I want to add some serious landscaping in the park. What they have now is a mishmash of everything. It is a PARK not a FOREST nor a JUNGLE. Some trees should be trimmed, but NOT removed. Some emphasis should be given on the historical structures on the park. Filipinos have this penchant to plant trees everywhere as if the city is a forest.
2. There is no proper lighting at night, which makes the park really dangerous. Also, proper lighting highlights the beauty of the park. I can imagine the view of the relief map from the LRT with lights at night. *sigh*
3. Some parts needs upgrading. The sound and lights section, the Chinese and Japanese gardens, for example, are decrepit and a good source of malaria. The Planetarium has been closed for quite a while now and relief map is painted quite oddly (I mean it doesn't follow the proper cartographic symbols and colors at all) and is also a good source of malaria.
4. There is no uniformity in the "improvements" like the paint of the neoclassical buildings. If they want to color it white, then every neoclassical building there should follow it (if they want other colors, fine, just make it uniform so as not to remove the historical meaning of those structures). The lampposts around the park are also a mishmash of everything. And most of all, some statues are out of place. Do I have to mention Lapu-Lapu and the other set of busts around the man-made lagoon? Much worse are the ugly looking SWAN STATUES that are really really out of place.
5. There's no comprehensive plans for the future. Heck, they can't even maintain what they have now, how can they plan the future, anyway? Also, they have to make some guidelines on maintaining the park. Just like Intramuros, some buildings around the park should not be so imposing as to destroy the serenity and calmness of the park. Commercial establishment should only be placed on designated areas and not around the park, etc, etc.
6. Security, security and more security. Need I say more?

chris_nigel

August 27th, 2009, 04:48 PM

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: madame you just said what i want to say...ang masasabi ko lna lang nanghihinayang talaga ako sa d natuly na plan ni Burnham pero wala na tayo magagawa dun kaya improve na lang natin kung ano natira at kung ano ang meron tayo ngayon

Christian_123

August 29th, 2009, 06:34 AM

TheAvenger

August 29th, 2009, 07:03 AM

Just got curious as to what would Washington D.C.'s national mall would look like if we implement all the tacky things we did to luneta (our national mall)

The result!:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2641/manilafail.jpg

:bash:

" I PREFER A NATIONAL PARK PLANNED LIKE HELL BY THE FILIPINOS THAN A NATIONAL PARK PLANNED LIKE HEAVEN BY THE AMERICANS "

Christian_123

August 29th, 2009, 07:35 AM

" I PREFER A NATIONAL PARK PLANNED LIKE HELL BY THE FILIPINOS THAN A NATIONAL PARK PLANNED LIKE HEAVEN BY THE AMERICANS "

And we already got it and look at it! The neoclassicals is yellow and grey today!... Becareful what you wish Manuel Quezon.. :lol:

And thanks to his "wish". The philippines is now in deep shit and we're a potential ground zero again for another war! :shocked:

Go Global

August 29th, 2009, 03:07 PM

^^
Question: are you into Filipino-bashing or what? I think you should be sensitive to those in this forum who think that the Philippines is still a great country. If you don't think so, then migrate somewhere where you'll be happier :bash:

Buy something close to the DC Mall if that will bring you to ecstacy.

watcher09

August 29th, 2009, 03:50 PM

What Manuel L. Quezon was pointing out when he uttered those words was that FREEDOM must be paramount to the hearts and dreams of every Filipino. This is but natural for a leader like him of a nation which had been under different foreign rules to say that.

Luneta is not being run like hell. It may not be as it used to be, though, it still is beautiful. Color preferences maybe tasteless, but we can give the benefit of the doubt that somehow, those managing our parks are sincere in their efforts in beautifying them. It's just that, (And it's obvious.) we have not much money to hire world-class design consultants.

le Reine

August 29th, 2009, 04:39 PM

RonnieR

August 29th, 2009, 05:01 PM

@christian_123: if you are really concerned about the state of Luneta. Take the case to National Parks Development Committee. You won't gain anything by ranting is SSC. Besides, if I remember it right, you were banned before for ranting too much in SSC, right? Wanna be banned again?

My suspicion is right. When christian_123 joined SSC in July 2009 and his posts were tamer but may pagkahawig kay Arciga, nag duda na ako.....

superpilyoako

August 29th, 2009, 05:16 PM

mas ok siguro kung bunutin (wag putulin) at ayusin ang layout ng mga puno, isabay narin ang pag iisa ng pintura ng buong complex (para uniform) at ipa reinvent siguro sa Ayala ung buong park (dapat with touch of history parin)..

dvbaicrviser

August 29th, 2009, 05:38 PM

Madaming magagaling na estudyante ang UP sa Landscape Architecture. Kaya nilang gawan ng magandang disenyo iyan.

Christian_123

August 29th, 2009, 07:47 PM

What Manuel L. Quezon was pointing out when he uttered those words was that FREEDOM must be paramount to the hearts and dreams of every Filipino. This is but natural for a leader like him of a nation which had been under different foreign rules to say that.

I'm replying to TheAvenger's version of Manuel's quote. He said he prefer a luneta planned like hell by pinoys rather than planned like heaven by the americans. I just pointed that we already have the planned like hell luneta he wished in jest.

Luneta is not being run like hell. It may not be as it used to be, though, it still is beautiful. Color preferences maybe tasteless, but we can give the benefit of the doubt that somehow, those managing our parks are sincere in their efforts in beautifying them. It's just that, (And it's obvious.) we have not much money to hire world-class design consultants.

The current handler of luneta is capable of beautifying it to be world-class. We did it before so why cant we do it again? We have the man power and great designers. You can see it in Ayala and Global City itself. But, i'm pretty sure they're making it cheap to pocket the extra funds...as usual...:(

And....Who said the philippines is poor? the media? the goverment itself? For me, we're a rich country that's just pretending to be poor so we can, sadly, beg foreign aid from uncle sam. President nga natin kayang kaya magwaldas ng pera pang steak sa US eh tapos sabay sabi na "poor" ang pinas...Surrree...:nuts:

Also, dvbaicrviser basically answered you:

Madaming magagaling na estudyante ang UP sa Landscape Architecture. Kaya nilang gawan ng magandang disenyo iyan.

Why hire "foreign" design consultants when we have the resources RIGHT here? Let's just utilize our existing manpower and the tools we have :okay: .

Unless (at mukhang) ayaw nyo maging world class uli ang rizal park natin and just keep the mishmash planning it currently have like adding swan statues, painting the structures in tasteless colours and adding lapu-lapu's statue on agrifina which i find as a serious insult to our national hero's park.

Infact, adding lapu-lapu inside rizal park is also an insult to the cebuano's and lapu-lapu himself. Why? Because, he's acting like a squatter inside rizal park which is built and to honour RIZAL and it shows that why can't the cebuano's get the huge statue of lapu-lapu erected into their land instead and get a big park like luneta in cebu to honour lapu-lapu.

^^
Question: are you into Filipino-bashing or what? I think you should be sensitive to those in this forum who think that the Philippines is still a great country. If you don't think so, then migrate somewhere where you'll be happier :bash:

Buy something close to the DC Mall if that will bring you to ecstacy.

For me, the philippines is still a great country with lots of potential; I'm just hating the fact that we're ruining our great country kaya i explode like miriam santiago when i rant. Especially now that we're a potential ground zero again if ever the US-China war ever materialize (see article in defence thread). Nakakadala ang nanyari nung World war 2.

I care for rizal park. Thats why i personally want rizal park (luneta) to be world class again and in par with D.C.'s national mall to give rizal park some dignity again and honour jose rizal himself. Imelda did it before and we can do it again.

In the end, i care for manila, i care for the philippines and i want manila and the philippines to be a world class tourist destination again. Sorry if i call pinoys as "busabos" or "monkeys" (ages ago), my emotion just exploded when that happened because i can't stand what the hell happend to our "Venice of the East" and "Pearl of the orient" Manila.

Go Global

August 29th, 2009, 08:19 PM

^^
Thank you for your explanation. Perhaps you will learn this time to tame your language and your tone that will befit your profile name.

TheAvenger

August 30th, 2009, 02:06 AM

My opinion about Luneta / Rizal Park.

Wala namang masama kung maraming puno ng halaman or punongkahoy sa Luneta. Maganda yaon sa ecology, kino-convert ng mga trees ang CO2 sa Oxygen na we breathed, especially maraming smoke-belching vehicles sa Manila.

Katunayan kakaunti lang ang mga puno doon para sabihin na nagiging jungle.

Dapat siguro ay hatiin ang Luneta, ang western part ay to remain as Rizal Park na naroon ang monumento ni Rizal. Ang eastern part to rename as National Heroes Park, para hindi ma out of
place si Raja Lapu-lapu. Doon na rin ilagay ang pina planong monumento ni Cory.

Forget about Burnham Plan, applicable lang ang plan na yaon kung hindi nagkaroon ng 2nd World War at hindi nasira ang Manila. The infant government after WW2 is without funds to continue the grand plan of Burnham.

By the way, sa opinyon ko ay dapat ay si Andres Bonifacio ang naging national hero at hindi si Jose Rizal.

The Americans is the one who chose Rizal as our national hero because Andres Bonifacio a revolutionary leader from the peasant class is an anathema to the American colonial government during that era.

So, I guess Rizal Park in Luneta should be renamed as National Heroes Park and no need to divide it as Rizal Park on the western side and National Heroes Park on the eastern part.

chris_nigel

August 30th, 2009, 02:17 AM

confrimed na si christian 123 ay si arciga?

anyway maganda pa din ang luneta natin kasi nadyan na yan be proud na lang with what we have and enhance its beauty na lang para wala na mag comment ng masama

Christian_123

August 31st, 2009, 04:35 PM

confrimed na si christian 123 ay si arciga?

Hinde na kailangan i confirm yan. I actually posted that I AM Arciga_01 in the samahan thread when i registered. Don't worry, i won't bite hard anymore ;) :naughty:

kalbongdad

September 1st, 2009, 12:17 PM

ganun meron palang censorship dito....kala ko ba democracy pinas...demo crazy lang pala.. :lol:

jpdm

September 1st, 2009, 12:24 PM

And we already got it and look at it! The neoclassicals is yellow and grey today!... Becareful what you wish Manuel Quezon.. :lol:

And thanks to his "wish". The philippines is now in deep shit and we're a potential ground zero again for another war! :shocked:

What a christian way to comment.:ohno:

Anyway, its already 2010 already , I hope a leader like Lito Atienza will takeover Manila again...and continuously improve and revive Manila..

watcher09

September 2nd, 2009, 12:23 PM

Hinde na kailangan i confirm yan. I actually posted that I AM Arciga_01 in the samahan thread when i registered. Don't worry, i won't bite hard anymore ;) :naughty:

I'm new here and I don't know who Arciga was. However, why shouldn't we worry when you said you won't bite hard anymore? What's the difference between biting hard or not when the level of venom is the same? I suggest when you have this what you call as "emotion explosion", you rest for a while and don't post. Otherwise, you might call as busabos and monkeys again. Anyway, good luck to you.

Going back to topic, I agree that some trees must be pruned and styled as appropriate especially those standing along the walkways, near monuments, etc. Although, I prefer those trees in some parts to be as they are now. They give a feeling of serenity and freshness. They give relief to your eyes whenever you pass by coming from Pasay or Tondo/Binondo. Also, the fountains must be revived. Moving or dancing waters among with the greens are a sight to behold. I think, we are all fascinated by that.

Juan Pilgrim

September 2nd, 2009, 09:02 PM

I like more trees in Rizal Park!! More flowering trees like Fire Trees. How about Cherry Blossoms??

I think the Rizal park Authority should revive the Chinese and Japanese Gardens.

:horse:

FlashCollider

September 2nd, 2009, 10:23 PM

I like more trees in Rizal Park!! More flowering trees like Fire Trees. How about Cherry Blossoms??

I think the Rizal park Authority should revive the Chinese and Japanese Gardens.

:horse:

Natubo ba ang cherry blossoms sa tropics? Maganda yan kung pwede.

Christian_123

September 3rd, 2009, 03:13 AM

ganun meron palang censorship dito....kala ko ba democracy pinas...demo crazy lang pala.. :lol:

Sorry but, I honestly laughed at this :lol:!

Natubo ba ang cherry blossoms sa tropics? Maganda yan kung pwede.

Malay natin at baka nga tumutubo yan sa tropics. Ang tanong nalang ay...Tutubo ba yan sa kamay ng pinoy? Sinabi ko lang yan dahil alam natin na lagapak ang pinoy pagdating sa commitment at maintenance.

r93k401

September 3rd, 2009, 07:18 AM

Natubo ba ang cherry blossoms sa tropics? Maganda yan kung pwede.

cherry blossoms ba to. got this somewhere in pagsanjan.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/3436259913_ee593c657f_o.jpg

Jrommel

September 3rd, 2009, 07:58 AM

I like more trees in Rizal Park!! More flowering trees like Fire Trees. How about Cherry Blossoms??

I think the Rizal park Authority should revive the Chinese and Japanese Gardens.

:horse:

palawan cherries maganda rin at bamboo trees....bamboo trees contributes 10 times more oxygen than normal trees. A bamboo tree can last 100 years and is self-generating.

watcher09

September 3rd, 2009, 11:59 AM

palawan cherries maganda rin at bamboo trees....bamboo trees contributes 10 times more oxygen than normal trees. A bamboo tree can last 100 years and is self-generating.

Yes, we have a variety of cherry blossoms found in Palawan. We can plant these trees inside the Chinese and Japanese Gardens.

What are bamboo trees? Are these the bamboo grass that we know?

We have fire trees in Luneta. You can see them especially during summer time. I've seen varieties of fire trees in La Union and Batangas highways ranging from yellow to red, orange to pink and peach. They bloom even when young. Banaba is also a flowering tree (purple). It blooms even if it is only two-meter tall. There is another short tree that has purple flowers (I forgot the name.) with heart-shaped leaves. A yellow-flowering tree abounds in the provinces which is very nice.

Countries like Japan, China, Canada, US, etc. have Cherry Blossoms Festival. They celebrate it during which their parks and avenues are abloom. Maybe we could have Ilang-Ilang or Katuray Festival in Luneta. Maybe we could have trellises and pergolas in designated places covered with fragrant sampaguitas.

mansairaku

September 4th, 2009, 07:36 PM

^^ Palawan cherries, meron daw pala nyan sa Manila Seedling Bank. Pero di daw sya kamag-anak ng Cherry Blossoms. It looks really pretty.

Maybe we could have trellises and pergolas in designated places covered with fragrant sampaguitas.
I was also thinking about that. Hopefully, dumami pa ang mga flowering trees sa Metro. :)

Narnian_King

September 6th, 2009, 11:53 AM

Rizal Park - September 4, 2009

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2462/photo0146b.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1830/photo0147v.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9180/photo0148t.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9564/photo0150b.jpg

FlashCollider

September 6th, 2009, 10:59 PM

cherry blossoms ba to. got this somewhere in pagsanjan.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/3436259913_ee593c657f_o.jpg

Have no idea. Sa pagkakaalam ko tuwing winter lang sila namumulaklak.

pomperadz@yahoo.com

September 7th, 2009, 02:13 AM

LUNETA PICS

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7586/020920090012.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5805/02092009003.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/802/02092009t.jpg

i like hanging out here...esp..evry morning..marami akong nakakasabay magjogging..sory for the quality of pics...camphone lng kasi...but i noticed in luneta park is very well maintained talaga ung greenery garden..thumbs up sa caretaker!!! sarap ng feeling dun pag umaga..la pa kcng polusyon..at parang nd nman delikado...dnt bring money na lng or ur pocket...heheehe...to be sure....:banana::banana:

morning everyone!

orangejuice

September 7th, 2009, 03:30 AM

Philippines' Kilometer Zero... (net find)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Kilometer_Zero_-_Philippines.jpg/800px-Kilometer_Zero_-_Philippines.jpg

across the Kilometer Zero mark is the Rizal Monument...

the structure behind it is a clock (i think it's Bulgari) donated by Filipino Freemasons...

farther behind is the Quirino Grandstand...

Buti hindi ninanakaw ung Bulgari.

;35680900']It's actually a Bulova. :okay:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/221/450702088_a761412311_b.jpg
^by Manila Daily Photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/maniladailyphoto/)

Buti maintained pa rin ung Bulgari este Bulova clock.

Ako, gusto kong magkaroon ng monumento ni Andres Bonifacio na kasinlaki nung sa Russia. May hawak naman siyang bolo at bandera. pwedeng ilagay sa Parola compound. Yung buong isla, ay isang malawak na park.

Parang Colossus of Rhodes ang dating.

http://www.withfriendship.com/user/images/1447/highest_monuments_12.jpg

naiimagine ko yang vision mo....very nice,very nice.:banana:

Inaugural Parade

http://febinfo.org/history/images/hist_1949_parade.jpg

FEBC (http://febinfo.org/history/chronological_history.php)

Ang saya! Yet napakasimple....sana may time machine...

Hmmm...Kaya pala ganyan din kulay ng mga classical buildings...Binagay lang pala!:bash: Ang layo talaga sa conception nito...:ohno: I'm not against having theme parks for the kids pero gawin ba naman ang buong Luneta? Sheeez!!!

Susunod dyan ung mga swan sinasakyan na parang ung sa Baguio!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3475/3710887159_9bcda3f2f4.jpg

Can the City of Manila and the IA (if they have jurisdiction) put this kind of park that we HAD before??

naalala ko pa ung floral clock na yan nung bata pa ako. inabot ko pa! 2 years ago nung bumalik ako sa Pinas, hinahanap ko yan, wala na. sayang.

Anybody heard about the new Rizal park in Australia?

Talaga? san dito? I live in Australia!

To tell you guys, this is the state of our beloved Flower clock today:

Before:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3475/3710887159_9bcda3f2f4.jpg

After:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28907540@N02/3788199696/in/photostream/
Taken August 1, 2009
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28907540@N02/3787384833/in/photostream/

If not displayed please follow this:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2672/3787384833_d4e6a14b70.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3788199696_1930282177.jpg

Tinanong ko yung guard malapit sa flower clock sabi nya last year pa raw tinaggal yung kamay ng relo kasi daw mahal pa-maintain nun. Galing pa raw sa Germany. Pero sana man lang hinayaan lng muna nila yung kamay. Ngayon wala ng kwenta ang nakalagay sa kanya. :ohno:

Disastrous! tsktsk....

Well that's because Luneta in that photo was in its early stage of development.

Granting that we still have that sort of treeless Rizal Park now as depicted in the picture, I don't think people will go there and relax under the glaring heat of the sun.

Anu ung area na parang may swimming pool

Bosnyboy

September 7th, 2009, 05:29 AM

naiimagine ko yang vision mo....very nice,very nice.:banana:

So if ships are coming in from manila bay, the statue of andres bonifacio would be like our own version of the statue of liberty but instead of a flame, andres will be holding out a gulok to welcome the ships passengers.

jbkayaker12

September 7th, 2009, 11:04 AM

Have no idea. Sa pagkakaalam ko tuwing winter lang sila namumulaklak.

Cherry trees in my neck of the woods are dormant during the winter season and bloom during Springtime.:)

r93k401

September 7th, 2009, 02:28 PM

Have no idea. Sa pagkakaalam ko tuwing winter lang sila namumulaklak.

The photo was taken in April. It was a big tree. It is in the upper right of the photo below.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2410/2424548293_ed0453dac4_b.jpg

kalbongdad

September 7th, 2009, 04:26 PM

nde na kailangan gumawa kay gat bonifacio...ung kay lapu-lapu na lang ilipat sa likod ng folk arts theater or sa land between gsis ang film center....magiging bagong destination yun.....as if he is guarding the philippines from invaders..

watcher09

September 8th, 2009, 03:16 PM

Cherry trees in my neck of the woods are dormant during the winter season and bloom during Springtime.:)

Yup! They start to bloom in April. Maybe the Palawan cherry is different since we have no winter here.

From one of the latest pictures, I can see that Planetarium is still visible from afar. It is not being lost among the trees.

The old Luneta in black and white vintage photo was looking neat but that's all. Pure grasslands bereft of gardens and everything. Bare na bare. I bet you couldn't endure the lash of the noon-day heat there before.

The flower clock was really beautiful.

pomperadz@yahoo.com

September 17th, 2009, 03:59 AM

morning scene at luneta...

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3659/17092009004.jpg

sory for the pic quality..its only camphone shot...

[dx]

September 17th, 2009, 05:01 AM

The old Globe Fountain at Agrifina Circle, circa 1971

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1747/globe001.jpg

Christian_123

September 18th, 2009, 12:59 AM

Wow ganda ng globe fountain! Sana hinde nila inalis yan :bash:

Jrommel

September 18th, 2009, 03:42 PM

Yup! They start to bloom in April. Maybe the Palawan cherry is different since we have no winter here.

From one of the latest pictures, I can see that Planetarium is still visible from afar. It is not being lost among the trees.

The old Luneta in black and white vintage photo was looking neat but that's all. Pure grasslands bereft of gardens and everything. Bare na bare. I bet you couldn't endure the lash of the noon-day heat there before.

The flower clock was really beautiful.

napakaganda siguro kung gumawa mga lokal na gobyerno(LGU's) ng mini forest na puro palawan cherries ang nakatanim, parang man-made forest sa bohol

naughtycalboy

September 19th, 2009, 06:21 AM

Wow ganda ng globe fountain! Sana hinde nila inalis yan :bash:

may MOA globe naman na eh:lol:

kalbongdad

September 20th, 2009, 10:26 AM

may MOA globe naman na eh:lol:

hindi naman maganda ang moa globe malaki lang.....iba yung globe sa luneta....dahil fountain na para talaga siyang earth na covered ng clouds at pag lighted....ang galing at meron pang skating rink....anyway sana lang maibalik yun at ilipat si lapu-lapu somewhere fronting the seashore...either sa may film center....or sa may likod ng folk arts theatre...

superpilyoako

September 21st, 2009, 06:19 PM

hindi naman maganda ang moa globe malaki lang.....iba yung globe sa luneta....dahil fountain na para talaga siyang earth na covered ng clouds at pag lighted....ang galing at meron pang skating rink....anyway sana lang maibalik yun at ilipat si lapu-lapu somewhere fronting the seashore...either sa may film center....or sa may likod ng folk arts theatre...

magandang idea! since si Lapu- lapu nman and tagapagbantay ng dalampasigan (because the great battle in Mactan)

kalbongdad

September 22nd, 2009, 02:30 PM

thanks.....tama ka pareho tayo ng iniisip...parang tipong....guarding the phil...form invaders....

kiretoce

October 25th, 2009, 05:36 AM

No way, Jose: NHI on bid to exhume Rizal skull (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20091025-232104/NHI-on-bid-to-exhume-Rizal-skull-No-way-Jose)

A group of doctors wants to exhume the skull of the national hero, Jose Rizal, so that they can “study and find out why he’s so smart.”

But Ambeth Ocampo, chairman of the National Historical Institute, will have none of it.

“They can wait for my replacement [at the NHI] in 2010,” said Ocampo, the historian and authority on Rizal who is also a columnist of the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

He did not identify the doctors’ group which petitioned the NHI, the agency tasked with conserving and preserving the country’s historical legacy, to exhume Rizal’s remains.

“They came to see me, requesting permission to exhume Rizal’s skull from his monument at the Luneta. I asked them, what are you going to do with it? They said they wanted to study it, supposedly for science purposes. I told them to make do with the picture of his skull,” Ocampo recalled.

He said the doctors planned to drill a hole on top of the skull and fill it with mongo beans.

Measure volume of beans

“When full, they plan to transfer the mongo beans to a beaker and measure its volume,” he said.

“That will supposedly tell us the size of Rizal’s cranial wall. Then we will know why he was so smart,” said Ocampo in a lecture on best teaching practices at the University of Makati sponsored by the Metrobank Foundation’s Network of Outstanding Teachers and Educators (Noted).

Not the first time

Noted groups the 286 awardees of the Metrobank Foundation’s Search for Outstanding Teachers of the past 25 years. Ocampo, who teaches a Rizal course at the Ateneo de Manila University and the University of the Philippines-Diliman, was one of the 10 awardees in 2006.

That was not the first time that people have tried to exhume Rizal’s remains.

In a November 1987 essay in the Daily Globe newspaper, “Leave Rizal’s Pieces in Peace,” Ocampo wrote about a “move to pressure the NHI into exhuming the remains of Rizal to have them treated.”

“The NHI answered, ‘What for?’ and argued that since Rizal’s remains are not on display as relics, they don’t need treatment. To be candid about it, why don’t we just leave the pieces in peace?” the historian wrote.

The essay, reprinted in Ocampo’s bestselling book, “Rizal Without the Overcoat,” won him a National Book Award for Essay from the Manila Critics Circle.

It’s a grave

Most visitors to the Rizal Park at the Luneta probably do not know that the national hero’s remains are “interred permanently” under his monument.

“When you have your picture taken at the monument, remember it is not a monument, it’s a grave,” Ocampo told his audience of mostly public schoolteachers.

According to Ocampo, in 1898, three years after Rizal’s execution at Bagumbayan (now the Luneta), his family was finally allowed to take the hero’s remains from the Paco Cemetery where they had been interred to their home in Binondo.

Mother’s love

He said there was even a picture of Rizal’s mother, Teodora Alonso, kissing the skull of her son.

“It may sound very strange to us today, but that’s how much she loved her son,” he said.

The only part of Rizal’s body that is not buried under the Luneta monument is his backbone, said Ocampo.

Supposedly a piece of Rizal’s bone where the bullet hit him at his execution on Dec. 30, 1896, it is on display at the Rizal Shrine in Fort Santiago.

The historian noted that unlike other dead people who only get visits on November 1, Rizal’s monument at the Luneta and the piece of bone from his vertebra can be viewed anytime.

Most visited grave

Staff members of the National Parks Development Committee (NPDC), which oversees Rizal Park operations, agree.

With more than 5.5 million park visitors a year, the Rizal monument is “undoubtedly the most visited grave in the country,” said NPDC chief Salome Habal and Federico Edos, who heads the arts and culture division.

The 14-meter-tall memorial, designed by Swiss sculptor Richard Kissling, was completed in 1913, 17 years after Rizal’s death.

According to Edos, the 53-hectare park “has always been in the itinerary of foreign tourists in their Manila city tour. The number of visitors increases by 2 to 4 percent annually.”

Aside from the monument and its honor guards, park attractions include the light and sound presentation of the “Martyrdom of Dr. Jose Rizal,” staged on the exact spot where Rizal was shot by an eight-man squad of Filipino riflemen from the 70th Infantry Regiment of the Spanish colonial army. The site is about 100 meters north of the monument.

Eternal flame

“If only we had more funds, we could re-install the eternal flame that used to occupy a small space behind the monument,” said an NPDC employee.

The flame was installed for a brief period in 1990 during the incumbency of tourism undersecretary and NPDC executive director Narzalina Lim.

The NPDC, which also maintains the Paco Park and the Pook ni Maria Makiling in Laguna, has a budget of P172.7 million this year, P103.4 million and P49.3 million of which go to salaries and park maintenance, respectively.

Parks budget cut

Next year, the NPDC will get only P124.06 million, a decrease of P48.6 million.

Despite the flame’s 19-year absence, however, Rizal will always be remembered for his martyrdom that inspired Filipinos in their epic fight for freedom.

“Rizal taught us what it’s like to be a Filipino. There was no Filipino until Rizal designed it for us. That is why he is the father of the nation,” said Ocampo.

But the historian laments that Filipinos study Rizal as a hero when he should be studied as a man.

Filipinos should “see him as a human person because it is only in Rizal’s humanity that you can see the secret of his greatness. If you see what he is like, you’ll see a human person inside the hero and you’ll see the Filipino capacity for greatness,” Ocampo said.

kalbongdad

October 25th, 2009, 03:23 PM

i have been to luneta quiet a number of times and have loads of pics on the sights and sounds...rizal martyrdom... but i have not heard or seen it operated...baka lack of funds din ang reason...sayang ganda pa naman sana ang concept pero....madumi ang surroundings...lam mo na...people from that nhi..would rather talk in forums than look around the park and see that the chinese, japanese and that area of the park are dirty...baka kailangan pa ng limos galing ng china at japan para malinis ang mga garden na yun...it is sad....meron din naman part ng park an malinis..ang monument area :ohno:

chris_nigel

October 26th, 2009, 03:48 AM

ano kaya itsura nung eternal flame???

kiretoce

October 26th, 2009, 03:58 AM

^^ Here's an example.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Unknown-soldier-sofia-2-fire.jpg

It's just a fire that burns perpetually on the ground to signify eternity. There is the Eternal Flame of Freedom, on Corregidor island.

chris_nigel

October 26th, 2009, 08:59 AM

ahh ok literally flame pala baka mahal mag maintain nyan kaya tinananggal kung yung fountain nga na tubig lang lumalabas d pa maayos ehhh..sayang maganda pa naman

kalbongdad

October 27th, 2009, 08:16 AM

tagal na akong pumupunta sa luneta hindi ko pa napansin yan....malamang recent addition yan....baka ginaya yung libingan ni jfk na meron eternal flame din...lam mo na itong mga pinoy na kulang ng idea...gaya-gaya...such a loser yaya...makakadagdag pa ng pollution yan sa atmosphere....dapat hindi na sindihan yan...:ohno:

le Reine

October 31st, 2009, 10:16 PM

Luneta 1968, 1974-75

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October 31st, 2009, 10:21 PM

Luneta 1968, 1974-75 (part II)

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kevinb

October 31st, 2009, 11:25 PM

^^ OMG. :shocked: Ang ganda ganda ganda ganda ganda ganda! :applause:

dvbaicrviser

November 1st, 2009, 07:13 AM

Ang mga pinoy noon, kapag pumupunta sa Luneta, nagbibihis talaga ng maayos at hindi dugyot ang mga hitsura at kahit mga mahihirap, maayos ang pananamit kapag nandiyan. Marunong pang gumamit ng trash cans ang mg pinoy noon kaya wala kang makitang kalat.

Iyong mga speakers, tuwing hapon nagpapatugtog ng mga classical music na local at foreign kaya relaxing talaga.

Christian_123

November 1st, 2009, 07:57 AM

Luneta was surely comparable to Washington D.C.'s national mall back in the 60's. Infact, it looks ALOT better than the National mall itself! Too bad, sa sobrang kabaduyan ng pinoy, sinayang natin ang ganda ng luneta. Yet, Pinoy's surely love the super ugly crap we put on luneta today.. (look back into this thread)..

I want that luneta back! But, luneta we have today is beyond recovery no thanks to those tree huggers and super jologs pinoys!... :bash:

dvbaicrviser

November 1st, 2009, 08:04 AM

Malaki ang tsansa ng Luneta na gumanda uli. Ilagay mo si Gina Lopez o kaya si Felino Palafox para mamahala, mapapaganda uli iyan. Masukal ngayon ang hitsura ng Luneta, kailangan lang ng paglilinis at pagsasaayos.

Christian_123

November 1st, 2009, 08:10 AM

Dapat i-bail na un mga puno at palitan na ng bago o kaya i-trim ng todo para malinis tingnan. But, expect the tree huggers to protest like mad when they trim out the trees... :bash:

Personally, i lost all hope in seeing luneta with well designed aesthetics. Sobrang baduy talaga ng pinoy at tanga ang mga pulitiko natin..

chris_nigel

November 2nd, 2009, 10:22 AM

ganda pala nung luneta nun araw mas maganda pa dati d ba dapat mas maganda ngayon pero baligtad naman nangyari

Christian_123

November 3rd, 2009, 09:18 AM

Simple, hinde alam ng pinoy ang ibig sabihin ng salitang "Maintenance". Mas maganda ng todo talaga ang luneta dati, pinakita ko nga un photo sa isang friend ko at akala nya sa america un eh! Laglag ang panga nya nung sinabi ko na luneta lang un!

Sobrang sayang talaga :bash:

kalbongdad

November 3rd, 2009, 12:18 PM

bagumbayani

November 4th, 2009, 04:49 AM

ang ganda ng luneta dati....simple but elegant....the wide space....and the simple lines grabe....ang galing ng design kung sino man yun....ngayun yun mga metal railing meron mga bulaklakin na kung ano-ano...parang bakod ng isang apartment o nitso.. baduy talaga kung sino man nakaisip nun...hoy kung ikaw man yun....aminin mo na...at ipabalik mo sa dati....kakalbuhin kita eh :lol:

During our high school days in the early 70s, we used to have excursions to Manila and Luneta was always the highlight of the trip. We were all very impressed by its beauty and the cleanliness of its bathrooms. Fast forward to 2009 - nawala na ang ganda

Retro

November 4th, 2009, 05:25 AM

I remember also way back in 1975 just beside yun skating rink meron area na maraming kalapati sa Luneta where you can feed them on the ground sa sobrang dami. You can also rent a mechanical push cart na you can ride on so you could roam around Luneta Park. Pag hapon around 6pm pag Sunday mayroon pang Symphony Orchestra doing free concert.

Pag sapit ng dilim you can ride yun double decker bus that travel between Luneta all the way to CCP complex. Sa loob ng bus meron tindang popcorn and numerous drink. Ang saya talaga pag sinabi nang parents mo you will go to Luneta.

Hay sayang talaga.... new generation won't be able to experience... just we did long time ago :banana:

kiretoce

November 4th, 2009, 05:30 AM

Wow! Everyone's taking a trip down nostalgia lane! It's cool that y'all have fond and happy memories of Luneta, it was indeed the place to be and be seen. Hopefully it'll regain its former glory and maintain it for the generations to come.

Personally, what I remember fondly from Rizal Park when I was still a kid living in the Philippines, was going to this restaurant operated by deaf/mute people. We always stop by there to get some refreshments and dine al fresco on the patio dining area.

le Reine

November 4th, 2009, 06:05 AM

This is what I've been saying all along. The park during the 70's doesn't have much "blings" compared today, but it looks better. Also, I've noticed that there weren't many trees then but it still looks better. Trees should be planted based on a general plan that would compelement the other elements in a park. It should not be planted anywhere like a forest. Also, the types of trees, shrubs, flowering plants, etc. that they would put there should also be considered. I'm not saying that we shouldn't put trees there. All I'm saying is that there should be harmony with the other elements in a park like fountains, statues, benches, pathways, buildings, etc.

Also, I kinda noticed that some shrubs and lawns are not manicured and the fountains in Luneta are run down. The Chinese and Japanese Gardens are also in a very sorry state today. Look at those sculptures and statues, they are placed in such a way that it doesn't distract other elements of that park. Now, we have a monstrosity disguised as Lapu-Lapu.

I can't really recall when I first visited the park. All I know is that we weren't allowed to go there before because they said it was dangerous. I think my first visit then was when I'm in HS. We had picnic there. Hahaha...

kalbongdad

November 4th, 2009, 11:43 AM

dvbaicrviser

November 4th, 2009, 12:05 PM

kalbongdad

November 4th, 2009, 12:24 PM

hahaha....yung mga nabangit mo mukhang sa panahon ko yun ah...matorco, planetarium, savory sa luneta theater......mukhang mag ka age group tayo...:lol:

dvbaicrviser

November 4th, 2009, 12:39 PM

Oo,. hehehe. pero di ko ipagpapalit yang experiences na yan sa mga malls ngayon. Di masyadong gasgas ang bulsa noon hindi tulad ngayon. Safe din gumala noon at hindi ka matatakot dahil matindi ang mga checkpoints.

Pampamilya talaga ang Luneta noon hindi tulad ngayon na ang imahe ay pang tsimay na.

le Reine

November 5th, 2009, 04:25 AM

Wala na yung mga dating attractions sa Manila. Yung chess plaza sobrang pangit; yung artists haven, ewan ko kung bukas pa; yung Planetarium sarado parati; yung orchidarium mahal ang bayad (kung pampamilya eh Php 20-50 isang tao); yung japanese at chinese garden sobrang puno parati at sira-sira na; yung mga neoclassical building magkakaiba yung pinta; yung relief map tanggal-tanggal yung ibang detail; yung dating skating rink sa globe fountain tinanggal, pinalitan ng statwa ni Lapu-Lapu na mukhang Koreano; yung reflecting pool na may dancing fountain nilagyan ng higanteng statwa mga gansa!; yung flower clock tinanggal yung kamay tapos nilagyan ng kung anu-ano at pinatubuan ng damo!

kalbongdad

November 5th, 2009, 04:33 AM

kasi ang mga namumuno ng park at nhi mas gusto nila magsalita sa mga forums...maging pro active naman sana itong head ng nhi...historical kaya ang luneta kaya nasasakup nila yun...hindi lang ito mga forums at pagsusulat sa dyaryo atupagin nila...

Sky Harbor

November 5th, 2009, 11:06 AM

I wonder what happened to the debaters' area at Luneta. I once thought of bringing my debaters there for a field trip. :lol:

edly

November 6th, 2009, 09:08 AM

Luneta noon:
MATORCO ride mula Luneta hanggang Baclaran tapos pabalik. Agawan ng pwesto sa swing at see-saw sa playground. Langhap ng sariwang hangin sa Manila Bay, minsan pwede ring maligo dahil gamot daw sa hika. Picnic sa damuhan. Fried chicken sa Savory Restaurant sa T.M. Kalaw. Skating sa Luneta Globe. Manood sa Planetarium. Magpakuha ng litrato sa mga pagala-galang photographers. Dirty ice cream, lobo, baril na kahoy at iba pang laruan na binebenta para sa mga bata.

Sayang, sana maranasan din ng mga bata ngayon ang naranasan ng mga bata noon sa Luneta.

Nakakalungkot nga talaga pag naaalala mo ang mga bagay na iyan. Ako naman di ko gaano naranasan mga sinabi nyo pero naikwento sa akin ng parents ko ang ganda ng luneta noon... Sa totoo lang pwde pa naman maibalik yan ngayon yun nga lang parang di talaga gawi ng gobyerno ang mag-preserve ng magagandang pasyalan dito sa atin. Heto na siguro ang unofficial motto ng gobyerno: 'Either they replace it with something sparkling, or they just let it rot.' :ohno:

kalbongdad

November 9th, 2009, 11:05 AM

siguro may katagalan na talaga ang sinabi ni dubaicruiser...dahil mga parents mo pa nga kwento sa yo...:lol:

x12y12

November 9th, 2009, 01:55 PM

Mga landmarks natin napapabayaan. I know malaki taxes nakukuha ng manila but still hindi sila makapag spend for these. mabuti kung sa iba napupunta un taxes like street lighting, new schools, building of palce for those illegal vendors on the streets ...etc ahhhh. tama na nga.

=)

kalbongdad

November 10th, 2009, 02:56 AM

wala tayong mahihita sa manila....mas gusto nung mayor dun ang magalay ng wlang katapusang papuri kay cory....kesa magtrabaho...

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November 12th, 2009, 05:05 AM

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RonnieR

November 12th, 2009, 05:06 AM

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So, Lapu lapu looks like this. I have yet to see this in Rizal Park. It has been years that I have not visited the area.
Galing ng photos.

FlashCollider

November 12th, 2009, 08:28 PM

^^
How high is this statue?

kalbongdad

December 2nd, 2009, 04:05 AM

^^
How high is this statue?

i think its 50ft....laki sya pero dwarfed sya ng statue ni rizal...how ironic...dapat ginawan ng sariling lugar si lapu-lapu somewhere in baywalk or film center or folk art somewhere near the seashore...parang guarding us from invaders.....that would be a great concept, that will be a new destination....laking patriotic gesture yun para sa mga pupilo...

alcogoodwin

December 2nd, 2009, 08:03 AM

A few photos from my May/June trip t Manila this year.

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kalbongdad

December 2nd, 2009, 01:50 PM

wala man lang ba ni isang landscape architect na willing i-redesign at i-upgrade ang luneta...wala man lang ba kahit isa....

is there no one willing to volunteer?

is there no one else....teka familiar na line yun....sa sine ahhh

han742

December 2nd, 2009, 05:24 PM

my first pic in luneta was when i was about 8 years old...i had a pic with my mom and cousins at the flag pole, rizal monument and of course the clock the wonderful clock...bago palang ang colored photos nun...:lol:

yung clock na yun sa pagkakaalam ko ay inangkat pa mula sa europa, germany yata, kaya hindi na namintena dahil sa kamahalan ng mga materyales nuon, sayang ang ganda pa naman nun,:ohno: kung hindi ako nagkakamali Rado ang brand nun,

happosai

December 3rd, 2009, 10:50 AM

hahaha....yung mga nabangit mo mukhang sa panahon ko yun ah...matorco, planetarium, savory sa luneta theater......mukhang mag ka age group tayo...:lol:

^^Post mo naman dito yung mga pictures mo ng luneta.. :D

le Reine

December 3rd, 2009, 01:09 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/4042164735_85b7b2c093.jpgColor yellow na siya ngayon... :nuts::puke:

kalbongdad

December 4th, 2009, 12:35 AM

^^Post mo naman dito yung mga pictures mo ng luneta.. :D

pwede siguro yung mga bago...hindi yung vintage hahaha.....:lol:

Christian_123

December 4th, 2009, 03:19 AM

So, From this ?:
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To this ? :
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And from this:
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To this?
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No offense to the cebuano's..But...can Lapu-Lapu GET THE HELL OUT of RIZAL park?! This monolith statue is just a plain insult for the park dedicated for rizal! At...yaki naman ang nanyari sa luneta! From a world class looking park, we turned it into the worlds tackiest park :bash:

edly

December 4th, 2009, 03:26 AM

^^Lapu-Lapu statue deserves better place other than in Rizal Park. Maybe we can send petition to the NPDC or NHI to reconsider this move...I believe this was removed some 5 years ago due to clamor of some concerned citizens but they just returned this to present location. Probably there is no relocation area yet for the gigantic statue.:lol:

Christian_123

December 4th, 2009, 03:51 AM

Sky Harbor

December 4th, 2009, 06:21 AM

^^ They do. It's called Magellan's Shrine.

Christian_123

December 4th, 2009, 06:28 AM

Dapat ipangalan yan kay lapu-lapu at hinde kay Magellan

Igsuonnimo

December 4th, 2009, 06:56 AM

^^ o kaya Quijano de Joaquin great mall.
Baka mapunta tayo ng Pasig ha?San Joaquin.

Christian_123

December 4th, 2009, 07:03 AM

^^ :lol:

kalbongdad

December 4th, 2009, 03:52 PM

no need to be rude to the bisaya....i believe lapu-lapu should be placed near the sea shore....sa may folk arts theatre meron rotunda dun pwede sya dun....magiging destination pa yung lugar na yun...at konti pa gagastusin....

or

sa space between gsis bldg at film center.....hindi pa developed ang lugar na yan....it would be an a positive addition sa lugar na yun since walang park sa arean na yun...

in_a_rush

December 4th, 2009, 11:14 PM

i agree. ang dami pang open spaces dyan sa CCP area na pwedeng gawing park.

le Reine

December 5th, 2009, 01:28 PM

And from this:
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To this?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3353/3654891673_011cba8c8d_o.jpgMali yung comparison mo. The first pic was taken in front of Rizal Monument. The other one was taken from behind.

Jrommel

December 5th, 2009, 05:08 PM

tawagin na sina Felino Palafox,mga Ayalas,Henry Sy para maiayos ang luneta park
parang andaling gawin ano:lol:
any private landscaping companies interested:banana:
tama dapat may iconic structure tayo na nakaharap sa dagat katulad ng Merlion ng Singapura..sabi ng iba mas marami pa raw na maii-offer sa mga turista/sa mga mamamayan nila ang Malaysia,Thailand,Korea,Japan...mga pasyalan,meron din silang magandang terrain

Christian_123

December 5th, 2009, 06:48 PM

Mali yung comparison mo. The first pic was taken in front of Rizal Monument. The other one was taken from behind.

Kahit ba mali un angulo, kitang kita ang kababuyan na pinaggagawa sa luneta :bash:

chris_nigel

December 6th, 2009, 02:40 AM

^^^^^^ pag magkukupare dapat parehas ang kuha ng location... masyado naman to kung makagamit ng word..maganda pa din naman sa luneta ngayon....kung ayaw mo kasi na dito pwedeng pwede ka naman umalis ehh d ka naman block listed ng immigration at pumunta ka dun sa bansang gusto mo...i've been reading your post.. yung lahat ng threat post mo sa Pilipinas ehh lagi na lang parang wala ng pag asa pang gumanda ang Pilipinas

siguro kung ikaw magiging presidente( i cant imagine ang mangyayari)

d mo yata alam ang salitang Patriotism and unconditional love for the country

Waldenstrom

December 6th, 2009, 10:13 AM

Hmm I still like that Lapu-lapu statue. It looks awesome.

However, I'd like to be relocated at the center of EDSA, in front of Heritage Hotel.

alcogoodwin

December 6th, 2009, 03:01 PM

Pardon my ignorance, I am still learning about Philippine (non railway) history.
Just wondering about the significance of Lapu-Lapu in history and why he should not be in Rizal Park, well his statue anyway.

Thanks in advance.
Brad

Sky Harbor

December 6th, 2009, 03:03 PM

^^ Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan in the Battle of Mactan, which is in Cebu. It's weird to honor a hero in a park not made for him.

in_a_rush

December 6th, 2009, 06:35 PM

infairness naman kay Arciga a.k.a Christian, may point naman minsan mga sinasabi niya. kadalasan tama naman. tulad ng iba masyado na siyang frustrated sa mga di magagandang nangyari sa paligid natin.. hindi lang talaga niya masabi ng maayos. masyado lang talaga siyang barubal magsalita.

TheAvenger

December 6th, 2009, 06:38 PM

The Lapu-Lapu statue have no place in Rizal park in the first place..Dapat itapon yang statue nayan sa Cebu where it really belongs. Instead of being a monolith SQUATTER inside luneta.

If we have Rizal park in Manila, why can't the cebuano's get a Lapu-Lapu park?

Lapu-Lapu is a national hero...... just like Rizal

and not a regional hero.

No wonder the Visayans and Mindanaoans were saying that people in Luzon were more regionalistic than them.

Waldenstrom

December 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM

Lapu-Lapu is a national hero...... just like Rizal
and not a regional hero.

I agree with this statement. :)

le Reine

December 6th, 2009, 09:13 PM

Kahit ba mali un angulo, kitang kita ang kababuyan na pinaggagawa sa luneta :bash:Grabe naman yung kababuyan. That's an overstatement.

I've been to Luneta several times. In fact, almost every day; but I have never felt threatened nor suffocated there. May mga mali siguro pero not to that extent.

FlashCollider

December 6th, 2009, 11:29 PM

Lapu-Lapu is a national hero...... just like Rizal

and not a regional hero.

No wonder the Visayans and Mindanaoans were saying that people in Luzon were more regionalistic than them.

That is not the point here, it is called RIZAL Park and putting a mammoth statue of Lapu-Lapu is an insult to both National Hero. Out of context naman yang pagsasabi mo eh. He should have his own park, ayan ang punto ng marami dito.

Kakatawa yang awayan na yan about regionalism, tigilan na yan.

Lapu lapu should have his own place and not in Luneta else rename the park to Heroes Park and not Rizal park.

TheAvenger

December 7th, 2009, 01:57 AM

That is not the point here, it is called RIZAL Park and putting a mammoth statue of Lapu-Lapu is an insult to both National Hero. Out of context naman yang pagsasabi mo eh. He should have his own park, ayan ang punto ng marami dito.

Kakatawa yang awayan na yan about regionalism, tigilan na yan.

Lapu lapu should have his own place and not in Luneta else rename the park to Heroes Park and not Rizal park.

Yes, better rename it to National Heroes Park or revert it to original name of Bagumbayan or Luneta.

Anyhow, Rizal became a national hero only because the American colonial government that time prefer an "illustrado" elite Filipino to be the National Hero instead of a revolutionary leader like Andres Bonifacio.

Dapat ay gawin na si Lapu-lapu and Andres Bonifacio ang national hero and si Rizal ay gawing secondary hero na lang.

kiretoce

December 7th, 2009, 06:53 AM

Once again, let's not make this an "us against them" thread. :ohno:

mi.hyul

December 7th, 2009, 02:26 PM

The Lapu-Lapu statue have no place in Rizal park in the first place..Dapat itapon yang statue nayan sa Cebu where it really belongs. Instead of being a monolith SQUATTER inside luneta.

If we have Rizal park in Manila, why can't the cebuano's get a Lapu-Lapu park?

now this hurts my ego. porke bat taga cebu si lapulapu wala na ba syang karapatan na magkaroon ng katiting na espasyo sa luneta? ganyan ba ang tingin nyo sa mga bayani namin dito sa cebu mga squatter?

chris_nigel

December 7th, 2009, 02:51 PM

^^^^ hehehe d naman siguro lahat ganun ang tingin dapat baguhin na lang ang name like "National Hereos Park" na lang para wala ng issue d ba o gumawa na lang ng panibagong park par kay Lapu Lapu..remember he is the first filipino who fight the Spanish invaders and won

Ph Man

December 7th, 2009, 04:14 PM

Anong kababuyan ang ginawa sa Luneta? I'm wondering how Luneta is like during dusk and night. It was too crowded back then (2003). It's like all families in Manila and beyond converged to the place at the same time. It gets very untidy afterwards.

It's more pleasant to stroll around in the morning imo. Below is a common sight.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/4166387066_4fd724834a.jpg

Pardon my lack of patriotism. But I think Lapu Lapu and Bonifacio deserve more recognition than Rizal. I didn't see his bravery which the two boldly demonstrated. Well, at least, from what I've learned in PI 100 and High school history. I could be wrong.

kevinb

December 8th, 2009, 12:37 AM

^^ I actually agree re: Rizal's lack of bravery. He did using writing but not as bold as what the other two did. Govt and textbooks just overdo Rizal that's why most of us think he did a lot than the other two. Oh well. Ü

On topic:

@Ph Man: Dati pag inuumaga ako sa pag-gimik, nakikita ko yang mga nage-exercise sa tapat ng Rajah Sulayman Park. Nakakatuwa. :D Nakikita ko din ung mga tao ginagawang resort ung Manila Bay. Nakakadiri.:hahano:

hecky12

December 8th, 2009, 12:42 AM

^^ I actually agree re: Rizal's lack of bravery. He did using writing but not as bold as what the other two did. Govt and textbooks just overdo Rizal that's why most of us think he did a lot than the other two. Oh well. Ü

naku naman basta lahat sila may contribution sa pagaaklas iba iba sila ng ambag na masasabi kong pantay pantay kung iisipin mabuti so okay lang at least TALAGANG MAY NAGAWA SA BAYAN.

pero may ibang kahulugan para sa akin itong answer mo na ito.. hanggang ngayon may isang hero-herowan na pinagpipilitan na hero e hindi pa naman pala declared as hero gaya ng sabi mo overdo din siya sa mga pahayagan, telebisyon, at textbooks bidabidahan in short..

kevinb

December 8th, 2009, 12:46 AM

To this?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3353/3654891673_011cba8c8d_o.jpg

What's so wrong with this photo?

The Lapu-Lapu statue have no place in Rizal park in the first place..Dapat itapon yang statue nayan sa Cebu where it really belongs. Instead of being a monolith SQUATTER inside luneta.

Why do you always say to put Lapu-Lapu in Cebu "where it belongs?" Is Manila not privileged as well to have a statue of Lapu-Lapu? Anyway, Lapu-Lapu is a national hero. Any place in the Philippines can have a statue of him.

Can you use politically correct terms please? Lapu-Lapu is NOT a SQUATTER. He was just misplaced by the NHI and the Korean govt.

However, I'd like to be relocated at the center of EDSA, in front of Heritage Hotel.

Gusto mo, Jeff, ma-relocate ka sa EDSA? :nocrook:

Kidding aside, I agree. It'll look good. Make a rotunda in front the Heritage Hotel and put Lapu-Lapu there, just like how they did at Monumento - Andres Bonifacio erected on a rotunda.

infairness naman kay Arciga a.k.a Christian, may point naman minsan mga sinasabi niya. kadalasan tama naman. tulad ng iba masyado na siyang frustrated sa mga di magagandang nangyari sa paligid natin.. hindi lang talaga niya masabi ng maayos. masyado lang talaga siyang barubal magsalita.

I can't agree more.

kevinb

December 8th, 2009, 12:48 AM

pero may ibang kahulugan para sa akin itong answer mo na ito.. hanggang ngayon may isang hero-herowan na pinagpipilitan na hero e hindi pa naman pala declared as hero gaya ng sabi mo overdo din siya sa mga pahayagan, telebisyon, at textbooks bidabidahan in short..

Rizal is declared a national hero. What I'm referring to when I say Rizal is overdone is that the other national historical figures who helped freeing our land is overshadowed by Rizal.

Christian_123

December 8th, 2009, 06:34 AM

now this hurts my ego. porke bat taga cebu si lapulapu wala na ba syang karapatan na magkaroon ng katiting na espasyo sa luneta? ganyan ba ang tingin nyo sa mga bayani namin dito sa cebu mga squatter?

Lakas ng ego mo...Lets re-read this quote:
That is not the point here, it is called RIZAL Park and putting a mammoth statue of Lapu-Lapu is an insult to both National Hero. Out of context naman yang pagsasabi mo eh. He should have his own park, ayan ang punto ng marami dito.

Kakatawa yang awayan na yan about regionalism, tigilan na yan.

Lapu lapu should have his own place and not in Luneta else rename the park to Heroes Park and not Rizal park.

All i'm saying is, this huge monolith statue does NOT Belong inside RIZAL Park to begin with. Also, monolith statue destroyed the beauty of the Agrifina Globe fountain and skating rink as seen here:

1980's agrifina upto pre-lapu-lapu statue:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Manilagovt.jpg

This what happened after the statue is added:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3038/2514897741_8306c0f5cd.jpg

Move Lapu-lapu out of luneta and give his statue a better place like a park of his own (Reclamation area is perfect for this) instead of shoving it inside Rizal park.

What's so wrong with this photo?

Lets see:
-Swan statues on the edges of the former fountains
-Pastel colours
-Tasteless plant landscaping
-Overgrown trees
-Polluted water

The list goes on...

Grabe naman yung kababuyan. That's an overstatement..
It's not an overstatement, it's the harsh truth. Remember, the truth hurts.

Also, since you guys complained about the earlier comparison. Here's a better one:

1970- 1980's era:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/4061215985_1f3a9f3495_o.jpg

Present:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/lalon_104/Rizal%20Park/DSC00339.jpg

edly

December 8th, 2009, 08:09 AM

^^Okey pa rin naman ang Rizal Park dito sa huling photo. Maganda rin naman ang landscaping. Ang di lang siguro bagay dito ay yung mga swan statues at ibang halaman. Maging si Lapu-Lapu ay out-of-place nga rin dito. Idagdag pa dito ang matinding competition dulot ng mga malls at iba pang pasyalan. Kailangan lang talaga mapanatiling maayos ang Luneta.

sdblackshade

December 8th, 2009, 08:18 AM

Ako rin nagandahan din ako sa present shot na nacompare mo sa 70-80's. Siguro kung sa may part ng Agrifina globe of 70s at lapulapu ng present, 70s ang mas maganda. O kaya kung kinompare mo rin yung mga neoclasical buildings noon sa ngaun mas maganda din yung dati.

dvbaicrviser

December 8th, 2009, 09:13 AM

Tama obserbasyon ninyo. May nangangalaga naman pala sa Luneta. Medyo hindi lang kagandahan yung ibang ideas pero nandoon yung effort. Sana lumapit sila sa mga estudyante ng Landscape Artchitecture ng UP para maayos ang plano ng Rizal Park. Yung tamang halaman, mga ilaw at tiles ang dapat na magagamit nila.

Iyon namang rebulto ni Lapu-lapu, magandang ilagay iyan sa BASECO Compound, gawing isang malawak at magandang parke ang squatter colony na iyan na may maayos na housing project para sa mga mahihirap na willing magbanat ng buto at hindi pabigat at naghihintay na lang ng grasya sa gobyerno.

TheAvenger

December 8th, 2009, 09:26 AM

[QUOTE=Christian_123;47468701]Lakas ng ego mo...Lets re-read this quote:

All i'm saying is, this huge monolith statue does NOT Belong inside RIZAL Park to begin with. Also, monolith statue destroyed the beauty of the Agrifina Globe fountain and skating rink as seen here:

Move Lapu-lapu out of luneta and give his statue a better place like a park of his own (Reclamation area is perfect for this) instead of shoving it inside Rizal park.QUOTE]

Presidential Candidate Richard Gordon during his term as Tourism Secretary is the one who initiate the construction of Lapu-lapu monument in Luneta Park. Kababuyan ba ang ginawa ni Gordon ?

(by the way better call it Luneta Park and not Rizal Park) since Rizal is not really a national hero but a an American colonial government-invented hero)

dvbaicrviser

December 8th, 2009, 09:36 AM

Kung hindi nila maibabalik yung globe, pag-aralan nila yung idea noong Ramos Administration na magtayo ng tower diyan. O kaya, ilipat yung flagpole diyan at gawing pinakamataas sa buong mundo. Gaya nito.

http://www.patchworkpoppy.co.uk/images/photos/Abu%20Dhabi/abud3.jpg

c/o http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.patchworkpoppy.co.uk/images/photos/Abu%2520Dhabi/abud3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.patchworkpoppy.co.uk/images/photos/photos_abu.htm&usg=__AAlTCzvs2HS-nqJPhslLlnTll8o=&h=400&w=300&sz=18&hl=en&start=43&um=1&tbnid=FJu9XAjVdkHWUM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtallest%2Bflagpole%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bworld%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGGL,GGGL:2006-16,GGGL:en%26sa%3DN%26start%3D42%26um%3D1

Christian_123

December 8th, 2009, 09:37 AM

Presidential Candidate Richard Gordon during his term as Tourism Secretary is the one who initiate the construction of Lapu-lapu monument in Luneta Park. Kababuyan ba ang ginawa ni Gordon ?

Actually yes. Napilitan sya na ilagay yan sa luneta dahil ayaw nya mapahiya sa mga koreano dahil walang mapaglagyan un "gift" nila sa atin.

Yan tuloy, hinde na maalis si lapu-lapu dahil daw baka "magalit" ang mga koreano at hinde alam kung saan ililipat.

I like dvbaicrviser's idea of turning that BASECO compound into a big park just like luneta. Kapalan na natin ang face natin at ilipat yan bronze statue nayan..

TheAvenger

December 8th, 2009, 09:56 AM

Actually yes. Napilitan sya na ilagay yan sa luneta dahil ayaw nya mapahiya sa mga koreano dahil walang mapaglagyan un "gift" nila sa atin.

Yan tuloy, hinde na maalis si lapu-lapu dahil daw baka "magalit" ang mga koreano at hinde alam kung saan ililipat.

I like dvbaicrviser's idea of turning that BASECO compound into a big park just like luneta. Kapalan na natin ang face natin at ilipat yan bronze statue nayan..

Ililipat dahil si Lapu-Lapu ay hindi Tagalog or hindi taga Luzon ?

Bakit hindi na lang ilipat ang Monumento ni Rizal at palitan ng Monumento ni Andres Bonifacio at
gawing National Heroes Park ang Rizal Park.

Itong ibang small monument ng ibang Filipino heroes gusto rin ba nyong ipaalis sa Luneta Park ?

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8853.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8854.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8855.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8856.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8857.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8858.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8859.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8860.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8861.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8862.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8863.jpg

dvbaicrviser

December 8th, 2009, 10:11 AM

TheAvenger

December 8th, 2009, 10:13 AM

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/gordonandlapu-lapu.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_7346-lapulapu.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_7343.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_7344.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_7340.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_7339.jpg

Senator Richard Gordon and officials of the Department of Tourism (DoT) and the Korean Embassy will unveil at 7:30 a.m. the monument of Lapu-Lapu, the Filipino chieftain who scored the first victory in Asia against foreign colonizers 484 years ago today.

The imposing statue stands at the Agrifina Circle near Taft and Burgos Avenues between the old Department of Finance building and the DoT building in Manila. It is in the direct line of perspective from the statue of Philippine national hero Dr. Jose Rizal at the Luneta Park, also in Manila.

Gordon, former DoT secretary, will deliver the keynote address, while DoT Undersecretary Oscar P. Palabyab will give the welcome address and a briefing on the project.

Minister Shin Gil-Soe, consul general of the Korean Embassy, will deliver a message and response. The Korean Freedom League and the Poongsan Microtech Philippines Inc. donated the statue to the Filipino people through the efforts of then Tourism Secretary Gordon.

Gordon said the donation by the Korean people of the Lapu-Lapu statue can be symbolically compared to the donation of the Statue of Liberty in New York City to the United States by the people of France.

As chieftain of the island of Mactan off Cebu in the Visayas, Lapu-Lapu led Filipino warriors in the famous Battle of Mactan on April 27, 1521 that led to the death of the Spanish explorer, Ferdinand Magellan, who discovered the Philippines.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/subicbay/message/143?l=1

Rizal Park rites in Manila mark Lapu-Lapu’s victory

WHILE residents of Opon, commemorate today the Battle of Mactan along the coastline of Mactan, the chieftain Lapu-Lapu will be remembered in Manila at his monument in the Rizal Park.

A short program is scheduled at 7:30 a.m. today with Sen. Richard Gordon and Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia as guest speakers.

Flowers will be offered at Lapu-Lapu’s monument.

“Each year from now on, Bagumbayan will lead celebrations to honor the memory of Lapu-Lapu and his singular legacy to our nation and to Asia,” said Gordon.

Gordon said Lapu-Lapu’s monument was erected near the monument of national hero Jose Rizal to show the unity of Tagalog Christians whom Rizal represents and the Visayan Muslims whom Lapu-Lapu represents.

“Lapu-Lapu makes us proud to be Asia’s first to defeat the colonial invader and Bonifacio and Rizal as the inspiration of the Filipinos who became the first among Asian nations to free themselves from colonial rule,” Gordon said.

The activity, the first to be celebrated in Manila, is organized by the Philippine Auxilliary, the Bagumbayan, the National Park Development Committee and the Philippine Tourism Authority. Reporter Doris C. Bongcac

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20080427-132992/Rizal-Park-rites-in-Manila-mark-Lapu-Lapus-victory

TheAvenger

December 8th, 2009, 10:18 AM

Grabe naman yung kababuyan. That's an overstatement.

I've been to Luneta several times. In fact, almost every day; but I have never felt threatened nor suffocated there. May mga mali siguro pero not to that extent.

Ang paglagay ng Manila Ocean Park sa dulo ng Rizal Park ang tunay na pambababoy, dapat sa ibang lugar inilagay yaon.

dvbaicrviser

December 8th, 2009, 10:22 AM

Ano na pala nangyari sa Army and Navy Club? Sana hindi napapabayaan dahil ang ganda ng building na iyon.

TheAvenger

December 8th, 2009, 11:09 AM

Ano na pala nangyari sa Army and Navy Club? Sana hindi napapabayaan dahil ang ganda ng building na iyon.

Last January 2008, I went there in Army and Navy Club since it housed the Museo ng Maynila and the office of Manila Heritage Commission (and office of Bambi Harper). Last June 2009 I went back there again but it was under renovation.

You can see the photos of Army Navy Club in my Jibrael Angel Blog

http://jibrael.blogspot.com/2008/01/museo-ng-maynila-and-refurbishing-of.html

Sky Harbor

December 8th, 2009, 02:46 PM

Hindi naman pupuwedeng alisin ang monumento ni Rizal diyan dahil unang-una, diyan siya binaril. Saka mag-iisandaang taon na siyang nakapuwesto diyan. Si Andres Bonifacio, dapat maglagay din ng isang parke na katulad ng Rizal Park, pero sa bandang Tondo kung saan pinanganak siya. Nangangailangan ng isang malaking parke ang area na iyon ng Maynila.

The land where Andres Bonifacio was born is where the current Tutuban PNR station stands. Even if the government wanted to, they can't put a park in that part of Tondo.

FlashCollider

December 8th, 2009, 08:45 PM

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_7346-lapulapu.jpg

I love Lapu-lapu's title: The Sentinel of Freedom of Asia

alcogoodwin

December 9th, 2009, 12:56 PM

What's so wrong with this photo?.

I suppose I could have centered it a little more and Photoshoped out that thing in the water.

Apart from that, I have had nothing but good comments on it so far.....

Christian_123

December 9th, 2009, 04:22 PM

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2729/criesofthreeheroes.jpg

The facial expressions makes it better

jbkayaker12

December 10th, 2009, 02:17 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Manilagovt.jpg

This what happened after the statue is added:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3038/2514897741_8306c0f5cd.jpg

The globe fountain was a beautiful work of art together with another fountain which used to flow in Rizal Park. These lighted fountains were a beautiful sight back then but sadly it was taken out and replaced with something substandard. The current statues littering the park were all substandard in nature, nothing world class at all, Rizal's monument may be the only exemption and yet Filipinos continue to destroy its historical significance by placing gaudy ornaments and using gaudy paint scheme all around the park even the historical buildings were not spared.

The monument of Lapu Lapu may have been placed in Luneta with good intentions but sadly the execution (no pun intended) was lacking, from the steps leading to the statue, the pedestal of the statue and the surrounding area. It could have been a world class monument and statue but because of what I have mentioned above it diminishes the historical impact of Lapu Lapu as a Philippine hero worthy of admiration by others and not only Filipinos.

Christian_123

December 10th, 2009, 04:18 PM

Before:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/4061791984_177530466b_o.jpg
After:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2622/4042165039_67057322d4.jpg

I like the old landscaping. simple and clean...

Igsuonnimo

December 10th, 2009, 05:26 PM

^^ diba dyan dapat yung Centennial Tower?

kalbongdad

December 10th, 2009, 06:26 PM

^^ diba dyan dapat yung Centennial Tower?

nope .....dun yun sa may malapit sa tubig...near the mop....

kalbongdad

December 10th, 2009, 06:33 PM

Ililipat dahil si Lapu-Lapu ay hindi Tagalog or hindi taga Luzon ?

Bakit hindi na lang ilipat ang Monumento ni Rizal at palitan ng Monumento ni Andres Bonifacio at
gawing National Heroes Park ang Rizal Park.

Itong ibang small monument ng ibang Filipino heroes gusto rin ba nyong ipaalis sa Luneta Park ?

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8853.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8854.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8855.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8856.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8857.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8858.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8859.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af16/cecilia_fello/100_8860.jpg

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meron gallery of heroes sa luneta yung malapit sa monumento ni lorenzo ruiz.....dati marami dun...dapat dun nilagay ang mga busts na yan...at pinaganda ang lugar....magiging maysaysay pa at madaling tingnan ng mga bata dahil magkakatabi sila...

lancetrn

December 11th, 2009, 04:24 AM

Lapu-Lapu is NOT a SQUATTER. He was just misplaced by the NHI and the Korean govt.
.... Make a rotunda in front the Heritage Hotel and put Lapu-Lapu there, just like how they did at Monumento - Andres Bonifacio erected on a rotunda.

Agree here, the statue is a great piece of work but is not in a place where it can make a meaningful impact. A rotunda will do, why not redevelop an existing rotunda such as the welcome/mabuhay rotunda in QC?

I think it would be best placed somewhere in the bay area of Lapu-Lapu City (maybe at the entrance near the bridge?) where it can remind travellers of the historic event that took place in the island. There it can become a real tourist landmark.

About the idea of putting a sentinel like statue in Manila Bay, is it not more fitting to put Rajah Soliman there instead?

kevinb

December 11th, 2009, 04:53 AM

^^ There's already a Rajah Sulayman along Manila Bay - the Rajah Sulayman Park. It's near the Malate Church.

lancetrn

December 11th, 2009, 06:16 AM

Christian_123

December 11th, 2009, 08:22 AM

I still stand my ground na dapat talaga sa Cebu yan statue nayan dahil sobra talagang out of place sya. I'm not saying walang place si lapu-lapu dito sa luzon, all i'm saying is put him where he really belongs. Cebu needs a huge park dedicated for lapu-lapu just like luneta dedicated for rizal. It would be beneficial for the cebuanos if that happens...

Try imagining the statue of liberty in beijing or in tokyo harbour! Parang ganyan ang nanyari sa Lapu-Lapu statue. Sobrang wala talaga sa pwesto..

RonnieR

December 11th, 2009, 08:59 AM

Toymatz

December 11th, 2009, 02:12 PM

yep i'm aware of that, it's just that I think I read in this thread about the idea of putting the tall Lapu Lapu statue somewhere in the bay are similar to that of the Statue of Liberty so it would really look dramatic as if it is a sentinel guarding Manila. I thought it should be Rajah Sulayman and not Lapu Lapu...

Baka kasi mas deterrent si Lapu-lapu who defeated and repulsed the foreign invaders at while Rajah Sulayman and men were defeated in the battle of Bankusay?:nocrook:

lancetrn

December 12th, 2009, 06:30 AM

Baka kasi mas deterrent si Lapu-lapu who defeated and repulsed the foreign invaders at while Rajah Sulayman and men were defeated in the battle of Bankusay?:nocrook:

Well that's a good point, anyway it can be just symbolic, i.e. a conqueror of a foreign invader guarding the seat of government which is Manila :).

Eaton Square

December 12th, 2009, 12:01 PM

sadly, our national parks, including the rizal park, are poorly maintained. it diminishes the filipino's sense of patriotism and love of country.

kalbongdad

December 12th, 2009, 02:57 PM

as i have earlier suggested....siguro dun na lang sa likod ng folk arts theatre....meron dun rotunda sa dulo....that would be a nice location....lapu-lapu will look like he is guarding the phil shores from invaders....

TheAvenger

December 13th, 2009, 03:26 AM

I got an idea, why not build another statue of Lapu-Lapu, a bigger one like the statue of Liberty in the entrance to New York harbor.

Another big Monument of Lapy-Lapu to built in the highest point in Corregidor Island in Manila Bay. It will face the west - guarding the entrance to Manila Bay.

kalbongdad

December 13th, 2009, 05:55 AM

TheAvenger

December 14th, 2009, 06:24 AM

that will be redundant.....the issue here is what to do with the lapu-lapu monument in luneta....where is should be...

Their is no issue at all.

Only those regionalistic and imperialistic peoples in SSC wants to remove the Lapu-lapu monument from Rizal Park (should be renamed to National Heroes Park)

Christian_123

December 14th, 2009, 11:59 AM

Toymatz

December 14th, 2009, 12:48 PM

So the cebuanos doesn't deserve the statue? or a huge park dedicated for lapu-lapu? Now that's insulting them real bad because the government can't give them a nice bronze statue of lapu-lapu and a huge park dedicated for him.

We're not regionalistic and imperialistic, We just know how to use common sense. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Lapu-Lapu and other heroes inside RIZAL park is seriously out of place.

Is that really made of bronze? What I've heard is that it's made out of some kind of raisin. That's the reason why they took it out one time when a powerful storm was about to hit Metro Manila about two years ago.

Christian_123

December 14th, 2009, 01:33 PM

Hmmm, from afar, it looks like bronze. But not really sure what's the statue is really made off..

kevinb

December 14th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Is that really made of bronze? What I've heard is that it's made out of some kind of raisin. That's the reason why they took it out one time when a powerful storm was about to hit Metro Manila about two years ago.

Raisin? As in dried grapes? :?

dvbaicrviser

December 14th, 2009, 02:49 PM

So the cebuanos doesn't deserve the statue? or a huge park dedicated for lapu-lapu? Now that's insulting them real bad because the government can't give them a nice bronze statue of lapu-lapu and a huge park dedicated for him.

We're not regionalistic and imperialistic, We just know how to use common sense. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Lapu-Lapu and other heroes inside RIZAL park is seriously out of place.

Totoo ito. Itong Rizal Park ay naging chopsuey na sa dami ng mga pipitsuging rebulto ng ibang bayani na pinaglalagay dito. Napansin nyo ba yung mga rebultong nasa gilid ng fountain na nilagay noong centennial, mas maganda pa yung sa mga public schools. :bash:

le Reine

December 14th, 2009, 07:37 PM

Raisin? As in dried grapes? :?Friend, I think what he meant was resin. :lol:

Toymatz

December 15th, 2009, 02:47 AM

Friend, I think what he meant was resin. :lol:

Lol! wrong spelling lang. Tao lang po!:lol:

TheAvenger

December 15th, 2009, 02:58 AM

So the cebuanos doesn't deserve the statue? or a huge park dedicated for lapu-lapu? Now that's insulting them real bad because the government can't give them a nice bronze statue of lapu-lapu and a huge park dedicated for him.

We're not regionalistic and imperialistic, We just know how to use common sense. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Lapu-Lapu and other heroes inside RIZAL park is seriously out of place.

I reckoned that Lapu-lapu monument in Luneta Park should remain there and Rizal Park to be renamed as National Heroes Park or Luneta PArk. And then to build another big Park in Cebu and Sulu to be named Lapu-lapu Park.

Please note that Lapu-lapu is a Tausog from Sulu as per some historical accounts, so he also symbolize our Islamic heritage.

kevinb

December 15th, 2009, 04:47 AM

Friend, I think what he meant was resin. :lol:

Lol! wrong spelling lang. Tao lang po!:lol:

Sabi ko na nga ba.:lol:

kalbongdad

December 15th, 2009, 05:01 PM

its definitely not bronze....dahil kung bronze yun wala na ang lapu-lapu statue na yan sa luneta....nadali na ng mga bakal boys...napirapiraso na at nabenta na sa junkyard...:lol:

Aerin

December 18th, 2009, 04:50 AM

Yes, better rename it to National Heroes Park or revert it to original name of Bagumbayan or Luneta.

Anyhow, Rizal became a national hero only because the American colonial government that time prefer an "illustrado" elite Filipino to be the National Hero instead of a revolutionary leader like Andres Bonifacio.

I have heard of this but I also think that there's a sense of shame attached to Bonifacio's story, as the circumstances surrounding his death were probably not the proudest moments in Philippine history. He was after all charged with treason and later executed, not by the foreigners that he was fighting against, but by fellow Filipinos that he fought alongside with. This is not to say that I approve of the manner of his death (not at all), but to suggest another reason why Rizal made a better candidate for national hero back then.

Technically, though, no national hero has been officially proclaimed, according to this (http://www.congress.gov.ph/download/researches/rrb_0301_1.pdf).

Aerin

December 18th, 2009, 04:56 AM

kevinb

December 18th, 2009, 05:15 AM

^^ AFAIK, the Statue of Liberty, just like Singapore's Merlion and our very own Rizal Monument, are copied elsewhere. Saying that one statue can only be seen in one spot is an overstatement.

But still, Lapu-Lapu should be transferred to another place where he can be recognized better. A new and big piazza for Lapu-Lapu on the pipeline!

naughtycalboy

December 18th, 2009, 11:16 AM

I don't know if you are aware of this, but there is a Statue of Liberty in Tokyo Bay (so no need to imagine).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Odaiba_Statue_of_Liberty.jpg

yeah there is. its in the reclaimed island of odaiba. there are three official liberty statues in the world, the one in new york, france and tokyo.

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Christian_123

December 18th, 2009, 02:03 PM

I don't know if you are aware of this, but there is a Statue of Liberty in Tokyo Bay (so no need to imagine).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Odaiba_Statue_of_Liberty.jpg

I'm talking about the Genuine Statue seen on New york harbour.

Igsuonnimo

December 18th, 2009, 03:52 PM

But still, Lapu-Lapu should be transferred to another place where he can be recognized better. A new and big piazza for Lapu-Lapu on the pipeline!

Isa sa mga sabwatan upang lalo pang pagtibayin o ma-reinforced ang Filipino ideology(aka Filipinism) ay itong pagyurak at pambubusabos sa mga kinilalang naunang bayani ng Malaya --at ito'y sina Rajah Sulaiman, Sultan Kudarat, Lapu Lapu at ibapa.
Sa aking pananaw, insecure itong Filipino ideology sa Malayan identity.

TheAvenger

December 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM

I have heard of this but I also think that there's a sense of shame attached to Bonifacio's story, as the circumstances surrounding his death were probably not the proudest moments in Philippine history. He was after all charged with treason and later executed, not by the foreigners that he was fighting against, but by fellow Filipinos that he fought alongside with. This is not to say that I approve of the manner of his death (not at all), but to suggest another reason why Rizal made a better candidate for national hero back then.

Technically, though, no national hero has been officially proclaimed, according to this (http://www.congress.gov.ph/download/researches/rrb_0301_1.pdf).

Yes Andres Bonifacio was charged of Treason by a Military Court composed of all Gen. Aguinaldo's men.

Yes there is a shame on the killings of Bonifacio, the shame is on the hands of Emilio Aguinaldo the mastermind, and another shame to Colonel Lazaro Macapagal from Pampanga who shot the helpless Bonifacio who was previously hacked by bolo. Later Gen Antonio Luna also met the same fate as Bonifacio when he was killed by Aguinaldo's men in Nueva Ecija while Aguinaldo was retreating to the North. Really it was shameful because the killings of Andres Bonifacio and Gen. Antonio was the first political killings in the Philippine political history.

Igsuonnimo

December 18th, 2009, 04:18 PM

yeah there is. its in the reclaimed island of odaiba. there are three official liberty statues in the world, the one in new york, france and tokyo.

Anu rin yung ginamit na Statue of Liberty sa Tiananmen nuong 1989 at mga Pro-democracy movement sa China?
Goddess of Democracy pero inihahalintulad sa Statue of Liberty? Nasaan na kaya yun?

TheAvenger

December 18th, 2009, 04:27 PM

Isa sa mga sabwatan upang lalo pang pagtibayin o ma-reinforced ang Filipino ideology(aka Filipinism) ay itong pagyurak at pambubusabos sa mga kinilalang naunang bayani ng Malaya --at ito'y sina Rajah Sulaiman, Sultan Kudarat, Lapu Lapu at ibapa.
Sa aking pananaw, insecure itong Filipino ideology sa Malayan identity.

Yes, the plan to remove the Lapu-lapu monument from Rizal Park is a conspiracy of some dark forces from Luzon who were regionalist and imperialist. No wonder some people from the Bangsa Moro, Visayans, and Eastern Mindanaoans wants to have a Federal kind of government or secession from the Philippine Republic.

le Reine

December 19th, 2009, 01:36 PM

My goodness gracious, since when did the Rizal Park thread started to become a regional issue thread? Stop this asap or else.

TheAvenger

December 19th, 2009, 03:12 PM

My goodness gracious, since when did the Rizal Park thread started to become a regional issue thread? Stop this asap or else.

it started when some forumers with unknown schemes were campaigning to remove the Lapu-lapu monument in Luneta Park so they want to start a divisive and controversial issue in SSC that may results to regionalism.

kalbongdad

December 19th, 2009, 03:17 PM

Their is no issue at all.

Only those regionalistic and imperialistic peoples in SSC wants to remove the Lapu-lapu monument from Rizal Park (should be renamed to National Heroes Park)

actually yung pagkakalagay kay lapu-lapu sa rizal park is an insult to the chieftain....he is being dwarfed by the smaller statue of dr. rizal....mukhang kawawa ang mama...dapat he should have a place or a park all his own....kahit sa cebu...hindi nakapangalan kay lapu-lapu ang location naka squat din sya dun sa may magellan monument...or marker...let us once and for all honor the man....build a park only for him....and not share it with anybody else....AMEN?

johnmizer

December 20th, 2009, 08:54 AM

^ amen!

Christian_123

December 20th, 2009, 04:06 PM

actually yung pagkakalagay kay lapu-lapu sa rizal park is an insult to the chieftain....he is being dwarfed by the smaller statue of dr. rizal....mukhang kawawa ang mama...dapat he should have a place or a park all his own....kahit sa cebu...hindi nakapangalan kay lapu-lapu ang location naka squat din sya dun sa may magellan monument...or marker...let us once and for all honor the man....build a park only for him....and not share it with anybody else....AMEN?

This is what we've been trying to say in the first place. But half of the SCC member's won't listen and started calling us imperialistic.:nuts: !

Also, AMEN! :banana:

superpilyoako

December 20th, 2009, 06:41 PM

it's fine to have all the other heroes if that place is called LUNETA (which is the park's former name)
but the present name is Rizal Park (no need to explain this)

same thing:
do you imagine having the statue of Rizal in Lapu- Lapu Shrine?
and will Rizal also get the same reaction from Cebu (for example) if his statue will be placed together with Lapu Lapu (having Rizal's the bigger than Lapu- Lapu's)

bottom line:

binabagay lang yan sa pangalan

Sleepwalker

December 20th, 2009, 06:59 PM

FlashCollider

December 20th, 2009, 09:03 PM

Ewan ko ba sa iba dito napaka-out of context ng pangangatwiran sa punto na dapat eh nasa tamang lugar si Lapu-Lapu. Tapos noong pinagsabihan biglang babanat ng iba ang nagsimula. Lapu-lapu should have its own place and if he will be in Rizal Park then it should be renamed.

On Topic: Is Rizal Park under the Jurisdiction of the local government or the national government?

kevinb

December 20th, 2009, 11:00 PM

^^ I think it's under the NHI or another historical institution. Basta hindi siya under ng kahit anong LGU or ng NG.

FlashCollider

December 21st, 2009, 01:17 AM

^^ I think it's under the NHI or another historical institution. Basta hindi siya under ng kahit anong LGU or ng NG.

hehehe NHI is National Government Agency, anyway thanks. NHI is not doing a good job for allowing the Statue of Lapu-Lapu in the Park named after Jose Rizal.

Sky Harbor

December 21st, 2009, 02:38 AM

On Topic: Is Rizal Park under the Jurisdiction of the local government or the national government?

It's under the jurisdiction of the National Parks Development Committee (NPDC), a body under the Department of Tourism.

lancetrn

December 21st, 2009, 03:35 AM

Being a Cebuano, how i wish we could move the statue of Lapu-lapu from Rizal Park to the actual place of his victory.

Perhaps, Cebu LGU could build a big park in between the two bridges that connects mainland Cebu and Lapu-lapu City and put the statue there.

This is what i think is ideal. It would be a big plus to Cebu tourism with the imposing statue becoming a symbol of the place in addition to Magellan's Cross, the park would be a big draw too.

btw, I'm from Luzon but I dont mind having a big swat of land in a prime location in Metro Manila developed into a park dedicated to a hero of Visayan origin. Lapu lapu afterall is not just a symbol of Cebu but that of the entire country. Seeing Lapu Lapu guarding Manila bay is a magnificent thought imo, in fact keeping that statue in Manila is a big loss to Cebu.

Sleepwalker

December 21st, 2009, 05:00 AM

kalbongdad

December 21st, 2009, 05:05 AM

hehehe NHI is National Government Agency, anyway thanks. NHI is not doing a good job for allowing the Statue of Lapu-Lapu in the Park named after Jose Rizal.

actually ang rizal park is under the NPDC - National Parks Development Committe ata or Council....however meron say ang NHI dahil sa historical value ng place.....talagang hindi ginagawa ang trabaho ng NHI...hindi sana nangyari na si lapu-lapu ay nailagay dun....wala man lang ba nakapagisip sa kanila...that they were desecrating rizal park?

Aerin

December 21st, 2009, 08:40 AM

I'm talking about the Genuine Statue seen on New york harbour.

Well, if Tokyo had the Genuine Statue of Liberty on its shores, then the statue would simply be associated with city of Tokyo. It's not like Japan doesn't have westernized statues, even in smaller cities like Himeji. (But if you really want to talk about things that are horribly out of place, then you should have witnessed the exhibition of Jeff Koons's sculptures at the Versailles Palace in France. The juxtaposition between the old and the new was just too bizarre. The idea of the Statue of Liberty in Tokyo seems unremarkable in comparison.)

I do agree that perhaps Rizal Park should lose some of the sculptures, not because Lapu-Lapu shouldn't have to share a park with Rizal, but simply because, sometimes, less is more.

dvbaicrviser

December 21st, 2009, 08:45 AM

Siguro kung may dapat ilagay diyan sa Agrifina circle, e yung rebulto ng Gomburza sa tapat ng National Museum, dahil diyan din sila sa Luneta ginarote.

kalbongdad

December 21st, 2009, 11:19 AM

Siguro kung may dapat ilagay diyan sa Agrifina circle, e yung rebulto ng Gomburza sa tapat ng National Museum, dahil diyan din sila sa Luneta ginarote.

they already have a marker there...a triangular marker...near the rilzal light and sounds ata yun....

Sky Harbor

December 21st, 2009, 12:00 PM

^^Putting a Lapu-lapu statue in the capital city does not put Cebu on the losing end...Well, that is of course, if you consider Lapu-lapu as a Philippine hero.

After all, Lapu-lapu deserves a place in the "capital" city.... :okay:

I don't get the correlation. How does Lapu-Lapu not being in Rizal Park affect the position of Lapu-Lapu as a national hero?

kalbongdad

December 21st, 2009, 02:53 PM

guys you just succeeded in confusing me more...:lol:

lancetrn

December 22nd, 2009, 08:36 AM

:lol::lol::lol: I was referring only to that particular statue already in Rizal Park. Anyways Lapu Lapu does deserve to be honored anywhere in the country..

kalbongdad

December 22nd, 2009, 10:28 AM

o wala ng kokontra....:lol:

TheAvenger

December 22nd, 2009, 12:13 PM

How about if we petition the government to divide Rizal Park to 2 portions. The west portion where the Quirino Grandstand and the Rizal monument is located should be declared and named as Luneta Rizal Park.

And the eastern portion should be declared and named as National Heroes Park. The eastern portion where the Lapu-lapu monument is located should get at least 2/3 of the total area of former Luneta Rizal Park since monuments of other heroes shall be put there also.

kalbongdad

December 23rd, 2009, 03:40 AM

hehe lalo lang gugulo....buhay natin....

dvbaicrviser

December 23rd, 2009, 06:56 AM

TheAvenger

December 23rd, 2009, 08:14 AM

Mas ideal siguro kung gumawa ng panibagong park kesa hatiin pa ang Rizal Park.

Bukod sa BASECO compound, pwede rin nilang gawing park yung ilang abandonadong warehouse sa gilid ng Pasig river sa Sta. Ana, o kaya yung Paraiso ng Batang Maynila sa tabi ng Manila Zoo, pwede mas pagandahin pa at i-dedicate sa mga bayani.

Or, pwede rin naman na sa loob mismo ng Intramuros, gawan ng mga monumento ang mga bayani mula kay Diego Silang ng Ilocos, hanggang kay Sultan Kudarat ng Mindanao, parang pagpapakilala na para sa mga Filipino ang Moog.

Kung sa Baseco, sa gilid ng Pasig River ililipat ang monumento ni Lapu-lapu ay huwag na lang. para kayong nagtapon sa basura ng items na hindi importante sa inyo.

It is adding insult to injury.

Insult dahil aalisin doon sa Luneta Park, bakit noong umpisa pa lang nagplano na ilagay doon ang monumento ni Lapu-lapu hindi kayo nag reklamo.

Injury dahil ilalagay sa depressed areas like Baseco, gilid ng Pasig River, etc.

Manila Zoo ? are you joking ?

If I am a pure Visayans, I will really promote the secession of Visayan Region and Eastern Mindanao from the central government based in Manila . You were treating them as.......

:bash:

dvbaicrviser

December 23rd, 2009, 08:41 AM

Kung sa Baseco, sa gilid ng Pasig River ililipat ang monumento ni Lapu-lapu ay huwag na lang. para kayong nagtapon sa basura ng items na hindi importante sa inyo. It is adding insult to injury.

Manila Zoo ? are you joking ?

If I am a pure Visayans or Maguindanaons I will really promote the secession of Visayan Region and Eastern Mindanao from the central government based in Manila . You were treating them as.......

:bash:

Kaya nga pagagandahin, gagawing kasing ganda o kung pwedeng mas maganda pa sa Rizal Park, aalisin lahat ng illegal settlers doon, at pwedeng ilagay hindi lang si Lapu-lapu kundi iba pang bayani ng bawat region ng bansa.

Ikalawa, sabi ko, tabi ng Manila Zoo, hindi naman sa Manila Zoo mismo. Maganda rin ang lugar na iyon kung madedevelop dahil malaki rin ang nasasakop nitong lupain.

At bakit hindi mo nabanggit yung suggestion na sa loob mismo ng Intramuros.

Hindi naman kasi pwedeng ipagpilitan na hatiin o kaya baguhin pa ang Rizal Park dahil mag-iisandaang taon na siyang nakalagay diyan at lehitimo naman ang pagkakapuwesto niya dahil diyan siya na-firing squad.

Ano naman ang masasabi mo kung sakaling palibutan ng ibang rebulto ang Monumento ni Bonifacio sa Caloocan, o kaya yung iba pang shrine gaya nung kay Aguinaldo sa Kawit o yung kay Lapu-lapu mismo sa Mactan, hindi ba parang nakakaasiwa.

At isa pa, hindi ito usapin ng pagtingin ko ng iba sa mga taga-Visayas at Mindanao, dahil ang punto ko lang, ibigay kay Jose Rizal ang respetong nararapat naman para sa kanya.

Ngayon tungkol naman sa ibang mga bayani natin, di ba mas maganda kung ipagagawa natin sila ng isang bagong park at hindi iyong ilalagay sila sa lugar na may nakapuwesto na. Kulang na kulang na nga tayo ng magagandang parke, ewan ko ba kung bakit ipinagpipilitan mo pang ipagsiksikan sila sa iisang lugar, imbes na magdevelop ng mas marami pa.

TheAvenger

December 23rd, 2009, 09:07 AM

Kaya nga pagagandahin, gagawing kasing ganda o kung pwedeng mas maganda pa sa Rizal Park, aalisin lahat ng illegal settlers doon, at pwedeng ilagay hindi lang si Lapu-lapu kundi iba pang bayani ng bawat region ng bansa.

Ikalawa, sabi ko, tabi ng Manila Zoo, hindi naman sa Manila Zoo mismo. Maganda rin ang lugar na iyon kung madedevelop dahil malaki rin ang nasasakop nitong lupain.

At bakit hindi mo nabanggit yung suggestion na sa loob mismo ng Intramuros.

Hindi naman kasi pwedeng ipagpilitan na hatiin o kaya baguhin pa ang Rizal Park dahil mag-iisandaang taon na siyang nakalagay diyan at lehitimo naman ang pagkakapuwesto niya dahil diyan siya na-firing squad.

Ano naman ang masasabi mo kung sakaling palibutan ng ibang rebulto ang Monumento ni Bonifacio sa Caloocan, o kaya yung iba pang shrine gaya nung kay Aguinaldo sa Kawit o yung kay Lapu-lapu mismo sa Mactan, hindi ba parang nakakaasiwa.

At isa pa, hindi ito usapin ng pagtingin ko ng iba sa mga taga-Visayas at Mindanao, dahil ang punto ko lang, ibigay kay Jose Rizal ang respetong nararapat naman para sa kanya.

Ngayon tungkol naman sa ibang mga bayani natin, di ba mas maganda kung ipagagawa natin sila ng isang bagong park at hindi iyong ilalagay sila sa lugar na may nakapuwesto na. Kulang na kulang na nga tayo ng magagandang parke, ewan ko ba kung bakit ipinagpipilitan mo pang ipagsiksikan sila sa iisang lugar, imbes na magdevelop ng mas marami pa.

Na overlook ko pala yaong Intramuros, a good suggestion pero Rizal / Luneta Park is large enough for Heroes like Lapu-Lapu (from Cebu), Raja Soliman (from Manila), Sultan Kudarat (from Cotobato) Dagohoy (from Bohol), Diego Silang and Gabriela Silang (from Ilocos Region), Andres Bonifacio (from Manila) , and Jose Rizal (from Laguna). Then the lesser heroes ay doon na lang sa Intramuros.

Madali namang palitan ng pangalan ang Rizal Park, it just need an act from Congress.

Yaong mga pangalan nga ng mga Province, Cities, at streets ay napapalitan, bakit hindi palitan ang pangalan ng Rizal Park to either Luneta Park or Heroes Park. Pag hindi na Rizal Park ang pangalan ng Luneta then wala nang magsasabi na ang ibang Heroes ay hindi puwede sa Park na yaon.

kazuya

December 23rd, 2009, 02:09 PM

If I am a pure Visayans, I will really promote the secession of Visayan Region and Eastern Mindanao from the central government based in Manila . You were treating them as.......

:bash:

sus....eto na naman....with his nonsensical view....just talking about how the monument will be aesthetically appealing pero pilit sinisingit manilenyo vs everyone else....ay sauce.....

Bakit paulit ulit? What gives? I wonder kung sino talaga nagiging regionalistic....:ohno:

TheAvenger

December 23rd, 2009, 03:21 PM

But according to Gordon’s chief of staff, Ma. Carissa Coscolluela, "the Lapu-Lapu Monument was conceptualized to be an iconic rallying point for Filipinos." I believe them. The significance of this monument lies with the Filipino audience, not foreign tourists.

So why, despite Gordon’s clarification, is there a stubborn attempt to tar this Lapu-Lapu project with allegations of law-breaking and brazen disregard for "heritage protection"? I submit that there is a deeper issue involved here, touching on Lapu-Lapu’s defiance of Magellan’s politico-economic-religious mission to the Philippines. Lapu-Lapu’s victory represents native resistance to Spanish imperialism in the name of religion. His monument at such a public place probably leaves a bad taste in the mouth of some people in the Philippines.

http://www.philippinehistory.net/notes/lcc.htm

TheAvenger

December 23rd, 2009, 10:05 PM

The National Historical Institute declares construction of Lapu-lapu monument in Rizal park illegal.

http://www.nhi.gov.ph/files/NHI_res_1_s2004.pdf

TheAvenger

December 23rd, 2009, 10:10 PM

Cory Aquino statue to be built in Rizal Park, NHI gives nod

I wonder what Bambee Harper or Ambeth Ocampo would now say to the construction of a Cory Aquino statue in Rizal Park?

They raised a hissy fit over the construction of the Lapu-Lapu Monument in 2003 on the grounds that only those who were killed in Luneta were supposed to have a statue or monument there. Which is odd, because Lorenzo Ruiz has a statue there and he was killed in JAPAN.

Here's the article from Philippine Daily Inquirer :

Enshrined in the hearts of Filipinos, Corazon Aquino will also soon be immortalized in concrete and steel.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has ordered the immediate construction of a monument in honor of the late President’s contributions to Philippine democracy, Malacañang said Thursday.

The statue of Aquino will be erected at Rizal Park in Manila where the monument to national hero Jose Rizal also stands.

“With this monument, our nation will honor for posterity the memory of an extraordinary woman who united our people for one shining week in February 1986 and presided over the rebirth of democracy,” deputy presidential spokesperson Anthony Golez said, reading from a statement.

“We have long honored Tita Cory in our hearts, and now we will celebrate in deathless lineaments of concrete and steel the life and passage of a national heroine for the constant reminder of future generations.”

Golez said the construction would be completed in six months and would be facilitated by the National Historical Institute (NHI).

http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/paul-farol-pinoybuzz/2009/08/cory-aquino-statue-to-be-built-in-rizal.html

Okey pala na ilagay ang monument ni Cory Aquino sa Rizal Park pero hindi okey si Lapu-lapu.

Si Cory kasi ay devout Catholic while Lapu-lapu is a Visayan of Islamic faith.