I think I've stirred up a hornet's nest here.
At the end of the day everyone will have to agree with me and say we could have had something much better for this site.
MELBOURNE DESERVES BETTER!!

yeh ahh well cant please everyone.

:weirdo:

I like the design. But I also like the cigar design too. I would like to see the cigar placed elswhere in the CBD. Maybe at the corner of Bourke & William Sts!

By March 2002, the cigar had made its way down as part of the Vic Harbour section masterplan. Dunno if it was seriously contemplated. En route to the fabulousy never-builts.

Hrmmm, sailboats and everythin'...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/379cigarshape1.JPG

^^^

i have to disagree. from the yarra river and the botannical gardens, this scraper looks ace !

cheers

lozza

whats wrong with you guys? the current design is fine. the circular one is too 70;s. if you dont like it we;ll have here in sydney.lol

whats wrong with you guys? the current design is fine.Fine in 1985 maybe.

Each to their own but I'm hazard a guess if the architect who built the Rialto was building it today he'd do it differently. The Rialto is a fine building but lets move on.

1985 + Dallas = spot on :lol:

you guys are too spoilt.

dunno how it makes me a weirdo ciaobellaxo ? you cant please everyone......isnt that true?

anyway stick these in your pipe and smoke em.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/barsby/DSCN2254.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/barsby/DSCN2370.jpg

Hey silver, I'm busily modelling E&Y at the moment...u wouldn't have a larger pic of the Flinders St fascade from the "cigar" building plans would you?

Also anyone got pics of the Herald Sun sign? What colour was it. Fluorescent outline??

on ya barsby. just keep posting photos of E&Y! everyone should be more positive! im sick of the negative shite that goes on in some of these threads. please no personal attacks guys. its just a forum. if you dont like the bldg go to another thread.
cheers

I like it, I think an infusion of glass is just what the Paris end of town needed and was given with E&Y + SX. The shape is good too, I like the setbacks, very 'sear towerish' which is a good thing. The cheesticks are unusual... but I don't mind them too much, overall I am fairly happy with this tower.

Stu

Taken last Monday 4 July:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/chrisso/Melbourne/EY_040705_1.jpg

A very ordinary and disappointing tower.
DCM at their worst.
Looks like it was designed by a first year architecture student.
It could have looked sooooooo much better!
Form follows function and forget about the aesthetics. :down:
I wish they built the first proposal (cigar shaped one).

As a first year architecture student at RMIT I take offence we're a creative bunch and could have easily come up with a better design. Of course you're probably talking about that talentless bunch down the road at Melb Uni. Sorry for the late reply, just joined. PS its not that bad of a tower the cylinder was worse though I think the current designs to bulky from certain angles.

Essendon supporter and Architect student.

exxcccellent.

welcome to the board :D

I took a close look at the E&Y building site today and noted the yellow pillars at the bottom....... hope that's not part of the overall design cause I think the yellow is ugly and distracts from the rest of the design.

^ you mean the cheese sticks.they must represent something?

I think they were made to seperate it a bit from the Herald and Weekly Times building, hence preserving that building and making E&Y more of a stand-alone. That is what makes sense to me anyway.... but yes Tricky, they are part of the final built design.

Stu

An electric neon like purple would have been so much better for the supports.

Don't mind this building. Not much to love, not much to hate. A stocking filler building that Adelaide would KILL for! hehehehe

Cheers,

Adam

As a first year architecture student at RMIT I take offence we're a creative bunch and could have easily come up with a better design. Of course you're probably talking about that talentless bunch down the road at Melb Uni. Sorry for the late reply, just joined. PS its not that bad of a tower the cylinder was worse though I think the current designs to bulky from certain angles.

^^^

Lets wait for the crown ( the top 6 levels) to be finished ! i gurantee it wont look as bulky as it does now

cheers

lozza

I took a good long look at EY today and now apologise for being so hard on this building, it actually fits in perfectly and like SX, Eureka and FwP it looks good on a cloudy day, unlike others which I will not name. And the cheese sticks are a DCM signature like the massive one at Melbourne's gateway and its blades at the Exhibition centre and the museum.

As I've said many times on this forum, Blabby doesn't like E&Y@HWT one bit. I'm with silvers on this one. How disappointing for this prominent site.

yeh yeh yeh, if u dont like it why keep coming in here and saying so? we know not everyone likes it, so that should be it. Stop coming into this thread with negative bull shit, its pointless.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/barsby/DSCN2555.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/barsby/DSCN2608.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/barsby/DSCN2602.jpg

yeh yeh yeh, if u dont like it why keep coming in here and saying so? we know not everyone likes it, so that should be it. Stop coming into this thread with negative bull shit, its pointless.

Barsby, Just like you , Blabby is entitled to express his opinion, even if it is on more than one occasion ! Honestly, Who gives a shit at the end of the day ! Its just an opinion ! :)

cheers

lozza

yeh fair enuff loz, just annoying that it has to be done on so many occasions thats all.

but on another note, any thoughts on my photo's anyone?! i trekked my ass round the city today for you guys!

yeh fair enuff loz, just annoying that it has to be done on so many occasions thats all.

but on another note, any thoughts on my photo's anyone?! i trekked my ass round the city today for you guys!

No Probs mate, people are just passionate about their scrapers ! hehe !

And yr shots are awesome ! It is starting to look great with the crown bit on top ! And it will only get better as it gets nearer completion !

wonder who will get the office in that top corner bit? :) my guess is the boss! ;)

good stuff barsby. always appreciated. just ignore negative posts on the forum. you wonder why sometimes some members are actually on the forum? they are never happy with anything and have nothing good to say.

seems like the best bit of E&Y is being built.g00d stuff
cheers

Thanks for all the photos Barsby :) Always appreciated when someone does the walking for me :) They've come up a treat.

I really like the way E&Y, and the whole eastern side of the CBD for that matter looks from the Birrarung Marr bridge. Especially on a nice sunny day with the lush green grass swaying in a cool summer's breeze, in the foreground. (I should write novels.)

archi- im only going to say this once. stay off the drugs. ok.
lol

archi- im only going to say this once. stay off the drugs. ok.
lol

It's not the drugs, but rather the team he supports has been deluding him for many years and this will only get worse.

It's not the drugs, but rather the team he supports has been deluding him for many years and this will only get worse.

Agreed :P

They're back...

Now you don't see them (two weeks ago)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/faustus74/IMG_1972.jpg

Now you do (Friday)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/faustus74/IMG_2201.jpg

Rest assured the Bombers will be a force again sooner rather than later, besides they proved on Friday against Collingwood which team has the better kids. And no I'm not on drugs. I just have a short attention span and occassionally say stupid, sometimes random things..."I am the lizard queen!" No I'm Spartacus. Homercles cares not for beans.

^ i know your not on drugs. its a line from Coming to America. lol

Ignore this. I posted the same thing twice.

I know I was just being silly, don't take anything I say too seriously. Nice to see someone else using quotes from shows/movies and what not. he he.

It's great that they re-erected The Herald Sun sign, I just wish they would bring back the flashing HSV7 and 3DB signs as well. :)
You can see them perched on top of the Herald Sun building if you look at the bottom right hand of the slide next to the old Arts Centre tower I shot back in 1982.
http://www.thecollectormm.com/gallery/photography/City/slides/EastEnd1982.jpg

Retro neon lighting good.

thank god those awful gas& fuel buildings are gone!!!!!!

Yeah...what a shit building.
http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2005-07-18%20Melbourne%20-%20The%20City%20On%20A%20Sunny%20Winters%20Day/IMG_6863.jpg

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2005-07-18%20Melbourne%20-%20The%20City%20On%20A%20Sunny%20Winters%20Day/IMG_6865.jpg
YOU FOOLS! Its awesome!

It's always been awesome Dan, some people are just blinded by ignorance :P

nice pics dan. I agree with u, i dunno how anyone could hate this building. Have seen a lot worse.

^ like the bldgs surrounding it.lol
It reminds me of a small Rialto.

They all fit perfectly fine in the grand scale of things. The skyline wouldn't have the same diversity and they are all reminders of eras long gone (even the disappointing ones). Notice how I've stopped being too negative. I say, these jelly bean drugs do wonders. lol.

Why do people think this is an awesome building? In all seriousness?

Btw, like the new pics on your site Dan.

^ i dont think they do. thats the thing. most are disapointed with it. I dont mind it. hey its a 500footer glass box. if you dont want it we will have it up here.

Why do people think this is an awesome building? In all seriousness?

The facade is fantastic, the glass is top notch quality and has the effect of changing colour completely depending on the angle or time of day... much like rialto. I think the 'setbacks' appraching the top will also help streamline the look of the building once done and cladded... not to mention the herald building at its base is a stunner :)

Stu

It's better than the cigar design and many people blame DCM for the design, but its not their fault E&Y wanted a glass box and with the constraints they had they haven't done a bad job. Remember it's sitting on top of a heritage listed building, it can't be super whacky now can it? And it can't overshadow it visually.

^ i dont think they do. thats the thing. most are disapointed with it. I dont mind it. hey its a 500footer glass box. if you dont want it we will have it up here.

Swap ya Aurora for it? :lol: :cheers:

Seriously one thing melbourne lacks is classy, curvy, stylish office towers. MC is an exception in the style stakes, but apart from that, there isn't much to harp on about.

The others are all... I won't say generic, but are quite conservative in design... no sweeping curves and slanted roofs... in other words, no bold architectural statement.

^Which is Melbourne's design...Melbourne doesn't do curves and swigels, it does straigt-edges, and very sharp points. That's the feel of the city, and by putting one building like Aurora in, might ruin the skyline. IMO:)

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2005-07-18%20Melbourne%20-%20The%20City%20On%20A%20Sunny%20Winters%20Day/IMG_6865.jpg



Looks like a favco deck being lifted up to me. Crane 3 is back in the game!

^Which is Melbourne's design...Melbourne doesn't do curves and swigels, it does straigt-edges, and very sharp points. That's the feel of the city, and by putting one building like Aurora in, might ruin the skyline. IMO:)
i think its only a matter of time when sunny melbourne acquires an "aurora" or "deutsche bank" style office scraper. or even a circular tower?

I'd like to see a circular scraper like the ones in London and Barcelona....they're cool....even if they do look like giant tampons....

^ Noooo!!

Melbourne doesn't need circular towers and they would'nt fit in to our lovely skyline. However a few curvy ones wouldn't go astray. Just not too curvy, kind of like PwC and FwP res. PS: How good was the weather today?

Today compared to early last year:
21 July 2005
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5298/P7211051.jpg

22 Feb 2004
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3632/P2220380_edited.jpg

^^^ Amazing how much b33f just two or three towers can add...

Stu

notice the G aswell on that one

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/21-07-2005%20tour/general/Picture%20124.jpg

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/21-07-2005%20tour/general/Picture%20193.jpg

thanks for all the photos bugalugs
Some might call this one boring, but i think its a nice clean cut building and one of the only buildings going up at the moment that the window colour came out as good as the pics! I dont think much of the windows on the BHP building, fwp, pwc and urban workshop.. just to be picky! Even SX is a little too transparent for my liking!

cool photos, looks nearly full height, maybe 1 or 2 floors to go!
cheers

I think it's really cool they kept the Herald Sun sign. Sign of a sophisticated city IMO.

Now if we can just remove most shop awnings in the city and restore a few original shop fronts.

cool photos, looks nearly full height, maybe 1 or 2 floors to go!
cheers

I think it has another three on its heighest setback .Because there are ten horizonatal strips across the facade and in between each strip there are 4 floors. Correct me if I'm wrong by all means.

cool photos, looks nearly full height, maybe 1 or 2 floors to go!
cheers
2 more! :D

Three floors per "strip" :)

Ohh ! U gotta love this shot ! The cheesesticks arent as bad as i thought actually ! it sort of compliments the glass faceade of the tower ! Yep, 2 floors to go on the south west corner ! And hopefully some cool Neon Signage down the track too ! :rock:

http://web.aanet.com.au/sirbugalugs/21-07-2005%20tour/general/Picture%20124.jpg

Looks just like the renders:

http://www.winstruc.com/winport1/winport1_06a.jpg

i dont think you will see the yellow columns from street level next to the bldg.
sometimes renders are so fantasy. gives everyone falso hope when bldg becomes reality. but i dont mind this one.

That empty square on top of 11 Exhibition looks ridiculous and should be taken down.

The empty square looks fine. Even if it never becomes a billboard, it at least makes what is essentially a cube of a building a bit more interesting.

I quite like the square, it's a nice touch ;)

The square's now an interesting piece of "art" imo.
It kind of compliments the form of its new neighbour...

Wonder how it would have looked like if DCM had added winter gardens in the towers (at random places) then those yellow column could have appeared up the building. Could have made it a bit more interesting. Pity that circular version didn't go ahead - ie the original proposal. We still got a pic of that somewhere?

http://www.melbournephotos.net/images/2005-08-02%20Melbourne%20-%20Collins%20st,%20Rialto%20Construction%20Updates%20and%20RMIT%20Rooftop/IMG_6972.jpg

Yet another colour coming from E&Y.

Beautiful.

Yes, it looks amazing from the Rialto. I love the reflective glass.

And no Shell house in sight!

not sure if it has been posted, but here is the new website advertising the apartments in the Herald Sun building: http://www.heraldliving.com/

what I find really really interesting is that no where on this website (that I could find anyway) is there mention of the huge 160m tower going on top!

it still looks like it has about 2 - 3 levels to go . still looks too stumpy from certain angles

lozza

lozza, can you see the cooling units or what ever they are on the cnr roof. the top of them is full height.so abit of a 4m frame to go up and thats 165m.
looks g00d

see diagram>
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6252/eandycompare6cb.jpg

yeah

i knew it was about 4 m to go, just by looking at it. Hope the top floor is glass faceade like the other floors :rock:

cheers

lozza

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/P1050808.jpg
Sorry about the quality =\ it's taken form the back of a car, so yeah. But it still shows the crown well.

have you noticed the core crane has been moved

And no Shell house in sight!

No loss there.....

Looking better than I expected, love the glass.

Bleak... so... very... bleak :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/eyp0820.jpg

looks crap imho

I like it. East end needed the Glass, and as far as boxy designs go this one is quite good IMHO.

Stu

Agreed, I've seen worse.

Look no further than SH... HOUSE

Ah, so more people hate that, (In best Palpitine voice) good, good......

i think this could've worked if it were thinner and in a more built up area, but standing on its own, and given its width, it needs to be soaringly high for it to work. The fact that it sits squat in front of Collins Place on its own is just sad. If it (or at least one of the four "corners") were the height of, say, 101 Collins roof, that would be much much better. Or, it could also work if the four "corners" are set back more from each other. what we have is basically two of the four "corners" same height, the shortest corner is not much shorter and the tallest corner is not much taller. Imagine if Telstra were done at this height - well, you'd get the same building with different glass. Pathetic really. Maybe we should roll out the Bruce Wayne line in response to "well, what do you think?": "Does it come in black?" :hahano: <-- my new favourite smiley. not.

use this one blabbs :gaah:

looks crap imho

How's the world looking these days? Enough blue and green, or is it all a bit boxy? Hmmmm.

I like it. East end needed the Glass, and as far as boxy designs go this one is quite good IMHO.

StuDoes IMHO stand for in my honest opinion or in my humble opinion?

Does IMHO stand for in my honest opinion or in my humble opinion?

It can mean either actually.

Stu

It can mean either actually.

StuRight, it just occurred to me that the word honest in 'in my honest opinion' is actually redundant because you wouldn't say 'in my dishonest opinion' would you? Obviously an opinion is ones' honest opinion. Okay, pedantic "setting" off now. Hee hee.

Agreed; too short. Great bleak look though, if you're into bleak. The cluster effect that could have been had by a taller tower there is diminished. From some angles it looks no higher than the Hyatt.

Blue

IMHO lol I'm glad it doesn't completely block the Collins Place towers from the east, my fave twins (of sorts) in Oz. IMHO E&Y Plaza is a nice modern contrast to 'em.

All IMHO ;), of course.

The Collins place towers need to be reclad and re-windowed alla the Comm bank building....that would be hot.

^^ It has been said by other forumers b4 wow :) I like 'am as they are though, always will IMHO ;)

Anywhere else, I'd agree with bluestar that E&Y should have more height - but positioned right between Collins Place and the river, 160m+ is enough. More height would threaten you losing sight of some of the other biggies from certain angles. I like the boxiness, and the dark blue glass is very nice (although not as gorgeous as SX1's green and Eureka's blue glass are turning out!).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/phi1ip/EandYPlaza/200508301429aey.jpg

^^ Great shot!

I know some aren't fans, but I like the idea of keeping the shells of older buildings and running up a new one inside. Some think it's artificiaul, but I say if you can't save the building, at least preserve the streetscape.

great shot.
i wonder if the top 3m will be still added to top cube? like in render. theres still exposed concrete up there so maybe a glass parapet is yet to be built?
in the render below the top section where the sign is hasnt been constructed yet.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2583/eyplazasept153cg.jpg

They will erect a metal frame above the top of the concrete to attach the last 3 metres of glass like the did for the top of the rear section of the tower.

^phew. thats what i hoped.

YES CUL ! U LOVE THAT EXTRA 3 METRES EY !

MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE EY ! ( as if it does ..... ! ) hehe !

LOZZA :cheer:

^phew. thats what i hoped.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16450485%255E25658,00.html

Banker vaults to new HQ
Maurice Dunlevy
September 01, 2005

INVESTMENT bank UBS plans to relocate its entire Melbourne operation to the Ernst & Young building coming up at 8 Exhibition Street.

The group has entered into a lease deal understood to involve 6500sqm of office space with the building owner, Australian Super Developments, to occupy mid-rise floors of the 35-storey tower.

While details have not been disclosed, UBS is believed to have signed at least a 10-year lease, paying around $300sqm.

With the lease deal almost certain to include a chunky incentive, industry sources believe UBS will pay an effective rental in the mid-$200s.

UBS, which will relocate in the second half of next year, is a tenant at GPT's 530 Collins Street, where it is understood to have around three years to run on its lease.

UBS could not be contacted yesterday, but is understood to have been keen for some time to move to the eastern end of the Melbourne CBD, where most of its peers are located.

Ernst & Young will anchor the new office building - now 80 per cent-leased - being constructed by Bovis Lend Lease.

The building is due for completion by the end of next month.

The Myer family business has already signed on as a tenant, while engineering group Maunsell Australia, now housed at 161 Collins Street, is expected to follow.

Took some photos on a glorious Spring's day during my break. Enjoy.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1737/eyplazaii7dp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5116/eyplazaiii1ha.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/3013/eyplazav9td.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

looks much like the renders! :D the frame is starting to take shape too

Nice Archi! Great stuff. :) Still some height left in the little bugga afterall *South Park Hooray*

Great pics! Looks exactly like the render, and I'm glad it does!

I have to admit that breaking up the bulk into four columns does make it look more slender and taller than what it actually is.
Almost looks elegant. :)

Great pics! Looks exactly like the render, and I'm glad it does!
Sure does, one of the few buildings that ever do!!

Interestingly flying a flag today:

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2870/ey3os.jpg

Nice to see the extra height, every metre counts despite what Lozza says. ;)

pic from taysers eureka post
http://www.fox.com.au/shows/mattjo/promo/eureka/DSC01621.JPG

from omnicam
most frame is up
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5415/eandytoposept209no.jpg

Here is an even better pic ;)

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9614/w6sh.jpg

THANKS STEVE. bit of glass to go and game over.

THANKS STEVE. bit of glass to go and game over.

AND SOME COOL SIGNAGE HOPEFULLY ! :rock:

lozza

How many towers over 150m between Russell & Spring Sts, from Flinders St to Lonsdale St? How many towers over 150m in Brissie, GC, Perth, Adelaide COMBINED?

^ 10?

120 collins st-264m
101 collins st-260m
telstracorp-193m
nauru hs-190m
colins place-185m
collins place-185m
cassledon pl-166m
E&Y pl-165m
SX Tower-163m
UWS-150m

10, I think.

Brissy has 5 over 150m (Aurora-207m,riparian-200m,CP-174m ,waterfront pl-162m,Bris Sq-151m)
perth has 3 -CP-249m,wankbest-214m,QV1-163m
GC has 4- Q1-322m,ConC 219m,ConC 158m Chevron2-158m
adelaide-0
total=12

wow... nearlly more 150+ in the east end then in the rest of Aus (excluding syd of course)

what has more 'wow' factor is that NYC has almost as many buildings than all of Australia, and almost 3 times australias 150+ towers :eek2:

what has more 'wow' factor is that NYC has almost as many buildings than all of Australia, and almost 3 times australias 150+ towers :eek2:

Oh quiet, you. We're celebrating Melbourne here. :)

From my seat looking up through the sunroof whilst driving today
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/favco750/lookinguphwt.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/0182/102680182ml1127109069.jpg

But NYC and even Manhattan covers a much larger area than, say, half the Melbourne CBD (which is what we're talking about here!).

Actually Russell Street to Spring Street is only a quarter of the CBD!

Sydney has a very dense section in the northern end of town near Circular Quay.
There are 15x 150m+ towers located between Alfred st & Martin Place.covers maybe 1/3 of CBD.

glass creeping up plant box
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2808/eandytopsep226uk.jpg

2 days ago

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9614/w6sh.jpg

yeah, there's only 1 more level of glasas to go, and signage ! its almost done now !

lozza

glass creeping up plant box
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2808/eandytopsep226uk.jpg

2 days ago

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9614/w6sh.jpg

yeah, there's only 1 more level of glass to go, and the signage ! its almost done now !

lozza

glass creeping up plant box
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2808/eandytopsep226uk.jpg

2 days ago

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9614/w6sh.jpg

The last level of glass is already going up on the south side. Looking very tall now from the Yarra.

:)

just the rear of turret to go.

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7610/eanytop2nt.jpg

The great thing is it doesn't look as bulky anymore. It actually looks fairly sleek as you just leave South Yarra (on the train, I care for the environment ;)) and head towards Richmond station. You get a pretty good view of it with no obstructions for about 8 seconds.

These are a bit distance, but you get the idea :P

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Melbourne/misc/P1000642.jpg

These I posted into CommGames thread as well:

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Melbourne/misc/P1000643.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/Melbourne/misc/P1000644.jpg

^great shots!

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2217/eanysept277ei.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9427/ey20110054dr.jpg

Looks like a castle at the moment :-)

i think they have deliberately lift the gaps in the glass as it has something to do with putting the signage up. if you look at the gaps, there is definitely some sort of order of the gap sequence.

cheers

lozza

^nice observation. there is also a missing chesse stick!

just about there
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7845/eandytopoct75hm.jpg

hmm... that's an interesting one for the future - a skyscraper that looks like a castle on top. It could work!

hmm... that's an interesting one for the future - a skyscraper that looks like a castle on top. It could work!

Been done. 1 PPG Place in Pittsburgh:

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/pittsburgh14.jpg

Cheers,

Adam

Looks like diamonds at the top.

It's where Mr Squiggle lives.

^That's the funniest thing I've heard you say. :)

One PPG Place is one of my all time favourite post-modern scrapers in the U.S..

How beautiful is the pic below of E&Y taken by sirhc8. Apart from some of the glass near the top that hasn't been cleaned as yet, the southern and lower western sides show just how reflective the glass actually is.

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9427/ey20110054dr.jpg

From behind
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/DrunkOku/RAAPB/P106044dgghfgh2.jpg

Wow, that photo from behind makes it look very very short compaired to Collins Place. :(

Indeed it does, weird perspective from there, around St Patricks, i think i was out the front where i took that.

The railings where the signs are going to be attached seem to have put up across the castle bit at the top

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that Herald Sun should have only been there since the papers were merged right? wouldn't that make it somewhat of a farce to keep the sign there when it wasn't even a part of the original building?

it would have been something like HSV7 originally, or some such?

The Herald and the Sun were the two main papers published in the building since it was built so there have always been a Herald sign and a Sun sign. It juts so happens that the location of the signs worked out pewrfectly when the were merged to become the Herald-Sun :-)

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hey, that's cool Grollo, I never knew that!

You can clearly see in Grollo's pic the new and old H&WT building by the change in color on the Flinders St facade. Great hunting Mr G!

the brief castle look has gone. all glass is up.
only sign to go on
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the brief castle look has gone. all glass is up.
only sign to go on
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The small cube that sits in towards the core on the south eastern set back has started to be clad with glass too

The Herald and the Sun were the two main papers published in the building since it was built so there have always been a Herald sign and a Sun sign. It juts so happens that the location of the signs worked out pewrfectly when the were merged to become the Herald-Sun :-)

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Radio station 3DB were also located in the Herald and Weekly Times building and in the beginning of TV the HWT group also owned HSV 7 (Herald Sun Television).

last crane starting to climb down today

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from today:
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that pedestrian bridge will be an awesome place to photgraph EY once it's finished

I don't really like this. It's a huge glass slab, and I get the same feeling I get when I see pics of Trump's World Tower in NYC. Ugh.

Oh and we have signage! Poor choice of colour I would have thought (unless its not complete), blue on blue glass makes it hard to see from distance.

Stu

great photos jlb! i dont mind this one.not that tall but sleek and proportional.
9/10

Dad's a sparkie working on E&Y Plaza at the moment. Took some photos from the level 34 gym. Not quite apartment porn photos...

Just to remind you we're up the tall end of town...
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As if enough photos weren't already taken of Eureka today...
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In case you were wondering what was atop Shell House...I know I was
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And he said that this one was especially for favco...
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There's the ghost of a giant camera in that second shot :)

Nice pics

Oh and we have signage! Poor choice of colour I would have thought (unless its not complete), blue on blue glass makes it hard to see from distance.

Stu

I predict a change in the signage in the not to distant future. From a distance you can't even tell that it is signage, let along make out the words Ernst & Young, so it's useless really!

I predict a change in the signage in the not to distant future. From a distance you can't even tell that it is signage, let along make out the words Ernst & Young, so it's useless really!
thats not the signage... it's where the signage will be attached

thats not the signage... it's where the signage will be attached

Yeah, I also didn't think the signage had actually been put up yet :)

Nice work Faustus74 Sparky Dad!!!!!!!!!

Nice work Faustus74 Sparky Dad!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I pushed go twice!!!!!!!

From afar it looks like the signage had gone up but it hasn't yet. Just the railing. According to renders, signage should be white with the EY logo in red.

You can kinda make out the signage. Second pic taken from the new pedestrian bridge over the rail line.

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Again, the signage isn't up there yet. The black thing is just the framing that will hold the signage once it is put up.

were spoilt with some bloody great photos guys!!
cheers

Wow, I must say again how great the glass is on this tower! Just compare the two pics by joed; in the first a dark, almost black, reflective beauty; in the second a nice deep blue that compliments the sky. Lovin' it, lovin' it.

Stu

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Yep, the crane was coming down ever so slowly yesterday. This is a great building with wonderful shimmering glass in an otherwise bold south-east corner of the Melbourne CBD.

The lift core box in the middle of the roof should be yellow like the cheesesticks :-)

^I was just about to suggest that. Great minds think alike :lol:. And Aussie I couldn't agree with you more.

Three colours at once, late this arvo...

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The signage has begun to appear on the Southern facade! It's very visible, no need to worry about that :)

Sparky Dad said they're supposed to hand over the keys to E&Y Plaza by the end of the week.

He said ... "tell 'em they're dreaming"

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*thats me down the front of the pic*

:lol: champion.

Any word on the "hologram" thing at 11E or whatever it is?

Classy building this one.

Does anyone have a render of the original circular design for this site?

Apologies in advance if it has already been posted.

Cheers,

Adam

^Probably just leaving it as is (at least I hope they do). I personally think it looks good in its current state.

Kings Bridge around sunset is definitely one of the more flattering angles for this one - the shoeboxy profile is slimmed out, the reflections are pretty and those yellow abominations are nowhere in sight :)

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Cool pic :okay:

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This building has drastically changed the skyline in that corner of the city!

it hides the poor old SAI building.lol
its like a rialto which has been reconfigured like a rubics cube. glass is top notch

Saw it on Thursday with half of the signage on and it really sticks out.

I have asked this about the SAI (né Shell) building before, Cul. Just what is that round column thing on top and does it contribute to overall height and if not, why not?

Cheers,

Adam

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Noice. Not as bulky as I feared it may appear. Skyline's all the better for it.

This and PWC are my top 2 new scrapers. Awesome.

Saw it on Thursday with half of the signage on and it really sticks out.

I have asked this about the SAI (né Shell) building before, Cul. Just what is that round column thing on top and does it contribute to overall height and if not, why not?

Cheers,

Adam
the 4m concrete pipe is an air vent for the plantroom.not sure if its temp or perminant.i think its treated like an antenna inclusion?

It's been there, unchanged, since the "thing" was built. Would have to count.

Cheers,

Adam

Mmm, signage:

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WOW!!! The signage looks fantastic!

That second shot looks bizarre...looks like E&Y Plaza has just been photoshopped in.

Yeah I thought the same thing, probably because from that angle the tower has no apparent depth to it and looks completely flat.

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Awesome.

Looking good!

Amazing. This is the first time I have noticed that the blue stars on top of Nauru house have gone.

When were they removed?

Cheers,

Adam

Its amazing how clear the signage is even thou its quite small.

And they've finally painted that final 'cheesestick'!

Looking good!

Amazing. This is the first time I have noticed that the blue stars on top of Nauru house have gone.

When were they removed?

Cheers,

AdamRemoved around the end of March, beginning of April this year. Apparently now just known as 80 Collins. Yep, Birdshit House no more.

E & Y, smashing building (decided I don't like the cheesesticks tho' - A lighter blue may have suited IMO). Doesn't look so clumpy at all.

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next to join "completed" list.

this is ONE BAD CASE OF DWARFISM...ONE FLOPPY (BUT TRY-HARD) ERECTION. It has ruined our paris end skyline...and CP is now forever trapped behind this young upstart...maybe if it were, say, one and a half to twice as tall, but at this height, it's just crap...salamgd's pic shows how bad the damage is...muse, you can take it to syd if you want it...i'll trade aurora place for it...but at least our ozzie day fireworks will sparkle more in the reflection...every tower has its silver lining! :D
btw, guys, your pics are so good, it made my nipples perk right up...

What a load of shit blabby.

Dan, you know he's not the 4 quid...a real sandwich short of a picnic basket.

blabbys just being a poo poo. he loves shit stirring.dont you blab.lol

i think blabby speaks for the silent majority, and yes its about 25m too short.

a more simplistic, uninspiring building i have not seen. is this sort of architecture really what we want to promote?

put it like this, would you rather have this building or Sydney's E&Y at Latitude rising from the old HWT. i know which one has more archi merit

I'd prefer latitude to Southern cross, but not this. This is just right for its location, it would look freaking wrong if it was taller than CP or the collins st twins. Its on FLINDERS st dammit! Its not supposed to be tall! But I guess lattitude instead of 8E would fill in marks secret desire for slab. I mean *all* of our new office buildings could be slabs, PWC, SX, UW slabtacular hurrah! At least this is a different shape.

^ i think this E&Y suits the site. Sydney's E&Y was designed to be part of a 4 tower scheme with limitation at the roof due to sun access plan on Belmore park, thus the 200m height.
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i *am* melb's silent opposition - becos i expect and demand high standards from my own city! let me try to mount a more coherent argument - i have seen a similar DCM design in HK work very well - if you have each "corner" looking like separate pencil-like towers, then you have a distinguished archistatement. the problem here is that the height of the blue towers is not sufficiently accentuated becos of the HWT building at its base which cuts it off at the knees. also, the location is poor. if it were were the shell building is...hehehe...i'd be much happier. i'd prefer latitude over this, but not on that site. that site should have something shorter and stumpier and the e&Y tower should've replaced shell which i recently read as a tower waiting for paths leading up to it that were planned but never happened. shell house is a complete mess on its site, and if you're going to destroy heritage for that crap, then put something decent on it. a better solution would have been:
1. demolish shell house and put a full height E&Y tower on the site, DCM of course. have the set backs more pronounced, not as it is currently. it would have made a far superior tower on a different site, with different proportions. lean towers like this DEMAND soaring height for it to work.

2. put something neutral and different on top of HWT, deferential but complementary to its heritage but a lower height, perhaps stumpier and mid-height like in the 25-30 level (90m) range.

3. but melb still needs some seidler representation, so his grand central should have been built on that site (hidden amongst the other talls, but still a clear presence on the skyline, and more importantly, seidler's most uncharacteristic tower - ie specially designed for melbourne, but still a seidler - and possibly a superior seidler).

shell house is a complete mess on its site, and if you're going to destroy heritage for that crap, then put something decent on it. a better solution would have been...demolish shell house and put a full height E&Y tower on the site,

...but melb still needs some seidler representation...I'm glad Melbourne hasn't been Seidlerfied myself. Aesthetically I think he's seriously overrated. Shell House is actually one of his few decent buildings. IMO its shape and height perfectly suits it's street corner position.

has it blocked the view to the sth west from C.P.? - the eastern 35 Collins St tower that is.

It's here to stay, learn to love it. :)

if we are not careful C.P. will become heritgage listed. Reclad those brown turds now!

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The signage makes the building ;)

Great shots there jlb!

Yeah, it's perfectly placed...perfectly! Gives it a crown.

jib :okay:

If you study this building there is a lot it could have/should have been...but really this building was a sleeper for me. I expected nothing much from it and the way it turned out, i think its ended up being one of the better developments in melb ATM. Its not a bad height, great facade - in fact minus eureka i thinks it has been the best reflective glass used, and the paris end really needed a nice reflective building, and last positive point is that it blocks many views of shell house - i couldnt ask for more. A great addition to the Paris end of Melb. Now get the southern end of collins happening because its looking very sad atm, heck even southgate kicks its arse. Bring on Savoy, grand central and 565 collins (i think thats the address), we need action there fast!!!!!

I love the building, but the only thing that annoys me is the cladding on the core box on the lower roof. It should have been reflective glass like the rest of the building. It really sticks out like a sore thumb being coated in grey! :rant:

What do u guys think?

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Yep, I agree. It should have been in glass.

I must confess I don't mind this building now. It's a nice addition to this part of town. Not the best outcome as far as the Herald Building's concerned, but an okay one.

I love the building, but the only thing that annoys me is the cladding on the core box on the lower roof. It should have been reflective glass like the rest of the building. It really sticks out like a sore thumb being coated in grey! :rant:

What do u guys think?

I think they should have made it yellow like the other cheese sticks, so you have cheese sticks and a block of butter. ;) But in all seriousness reflective glass should have been the go.

in actual fact, the silly grey core bit shouldn't be there are all actually. It would make the stepping effect of the top of the tower look even more grand :rant:

cheers

lozza

^^:yes:. I was a bit surprised when I first saw it.

It takes two to lie, one to lie and one to listen.Hehe... my first recruit in the secret plot to take over SSC through obscure Simpsons quote signatures :)

Trying to get on topic here, um, pic from last week. I think the grey bit breaks up the blandness of the building a bit; shame it does it with a different kind of blandness. Maybe a few bits like it in different colours scattered randomly through the facade would be interesting, but then the whole thing would probably look like the museum turned on its side.

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^"At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we shall have revenge." Sorry I had to it was just too tempting even if it's not a Simpsons quote. But back to E&Y. If you use your imagination it looks like the tower's giving the finger to the haters.:wink2:

If you use your imagination it looks like the tower's giving the finger to the haters.:wink2:A stubby finger. Stubbiness, of course, being a condition usually inherited from the father's side

grey core stuffs it up completely, height is stunted, poor location, poor engagement with surrounding towers, poor treatment of heritage building, insufficient height at each setback. completely 2D when viewed from the front, it looks JUST like the render and - it's worse than i ever imagined!!!

Have to admit I don't like the grey corebox - couldn't they clad it in silver or something?

Also, the cheesesticks are cheesey (sorry). Would look much better in a neon blue, IMO.

Otherwise its a pretty harmless block almost saved from being too fat by the setbacks. I tend to like reflective blue boxes.

Cheers,

Adam

Now here's an interesting exercise boys and girls.

Let's try and think of ways how this building will foster E&Y employees' commitment to their own organisation's values:

http://www.ey.com/global/CCR.nsf/Images/95BEEC7ACBFDC871C1256E9B000AC762/$FILE/Values.gif

Dunno bout the 'energy and enthusiasm' part, I look at this building (and its underwhelming signage) and think: barf.

I like Blabb's 2D comment, so sad as it's so true :lol:

SX > EY.

completely 2D when viewed from the front

Oh dear, I knew I shouldn't have taken that picture ;)

Yes it does look 2D from the front, Its freaking awesome, it looks just like the render.

I fully don't understand how you guys can hate this building. Its the only recent office building that isn't like all the others. UW, SX and BHP are all the same freaking building with random different trinkets and colours. Example.

SX
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BHP
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UW(silly mark and his joining images)
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They are ALL THE SAME DAMN BUILDING.

People are going to look back on 2005 and go, what the hell were they thinking with making all those slabs. E&Y is the only thing with any character at all. (PWC not mentioned, but its a slab too. At least its a different colour).

Oh well, what can you expect from government offices?

They really are just stocking stuffers.

No excuse for BHP-Billiton, however! The needed a tower that screamed corporate might. They ended up with a nothing slab. Pfffffft!

Cheers,

Adam