Armenia - Հայաստան

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Ok, discuss: the lamb in the other thread looks really high on something!

Erhan goes to EuroMod :D

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I wish Armenia had its own little section in here. Not just an area at the bottom of the forum for loose threads.

Erhan goes to EuroMod :D

I'm not a mod here, I'm just helping a neighbor :)

"The official definition of the colors, as stated in the Constitution of the Republic of Armenia, is:

The Red emblematizes the Armenian Highland, the Armenian people's continued struggle for survival, maintenance of the Christian faith, Armenia's independence and freedom. The Blue emblematizes the will of the people of Armenia to live beneath peaceful skies. The Orange emblematizes the creative talent and hard-working nature of the people of Armenia."

:)

I wish Armenia had its own little section in here. Not just an area at the bottom of the forum for loose threads.

Well, the only active Armenian on SSC said this about the topic:

Yeah, i know, i just asked my sweetheart NihonKitty to move an Armenia thread there. Im glad Caucuses has their own section, but i dont see Armenia to get a subforum anytime soon, there arent enough Armenians on SSS that will contribute, i know i wont. Armenia never claims to be a European country, it's not really Asia either, i dont know what the hell we are, but all these "white" countries will never accept a Caucuses nation as part of Europe , so i'd rather be an Asian than a pseudo European.


So I don't think much will happen here.

"I dont know what the hell we are, but all these "white" countries will never accept a Caucuses nation as part of Europe , so i'd rather be an Asian than a pseudo European."

It's outrageous to whole armenian communities of Russia, France or Ukraine. And here i talk of armenian communities of Europe, i don't even talk of those in USA, Brazil, Argentina. And this boy still wonder if armenians would be accepted ! AND WHEN FRANCE IS POINTING TURKEY FOR THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE, DO FRENCH ACCEPT THEM ENOUGH ??...

i can't believe it... aznavour too would be ashamed...

I wish Armenia had its own little section in here. Not just an area at the bottom of the forum for loose threads.

An Armenian group here should be big enough for that, and at least one or two of them should actually live in Armenia, so we can get first hand pics and construction news. Otherwise the subforum will become a ghost town. I only know another Armenian on SSC, he's from Lebanon, havent seen him lately. There was another guy, he lives in Argentina, he travels to Armenia every once in a while and makes a lot of great pictures, here's his thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=774994 , but he got banned a long time ago :(. I cant submit a request on opening an Armenia subforum, i won't be able to show enough dedication and contribute a lot, i love SSC, but i dont have that much time. Though if some non-Armenians that are interested in Armenia still want to do this, i will greatly appreciate it and try to help as much as i can.

"I dont know what the hell we are, but all these "white" countries will never accept a Caucuses nation as part of Europe , so i'd rather be an Asian than a pseudo European."

It's outrageous to whole armenian communities of Russia, France or Ukraine. And here i talk of armenian communities of Europe, i don't even talk of those in USA, Brazil, Argentina. And this boy still wonder if armenians would be accepted ! AND WHEN FRANCE IS POINTING TURKEY FOR THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE, DO FRENCH ACCEPT THEM ENOUGH ??...

i can't believe it... aznavour too would be ashamed...

How is your comment relevant to mine? Im talking about Armenia not being a European country in my opinion and the opinions of many other Europeans, you're talking about genocide and Aznavour. Can you connect the dots here ??

How is your comment relevant to mine? Im talking about Armenia not being a European country in my opinion and the opinions of many other Europeans, you're talking about genocide and Aznavour. Can you connect the dots here ??

No, you said Armenia was not accepted by other european nations. So, i really wonder why french diplomacy is so active when it concerns Armenia !!...

Also i think most europeans would consider it european if at least they would get more informations about it, it's not like we see big cultural advertisings about Armenia in Europe ! it's a bit like this forum...

No, you said Armenia was not accepted by other european nations. So, i really wonder why french diplomacy is so active when it concerns Armenia !!...

Also i think most europeans would consider it european if at least they would get more informations about it, it's not like we see big cultural advertisings about Armenia in Europe ! it's a bit like this forum...

I dont know if European nations accept Armenia as part of Europe on official level, it's not considered Europe, but Eurasia ( more Asian than European). But unofficially ...ask a German, or a Brit, or a French..anybody, if they think Armenia is in Europe, most of them will answer no. If Georgia and Azerbaijan want to be European countries that's fine with me, but as far as im concerned Armenia never claimed to be one. Whatever pressure France puts on Turkey regarding the genocide has nothing to do with geography.

In short, if Armenia can be both European and Asian, i chose the latter. :) Besides "Caucasian" has the word Asia in it.

Well once more Armenians come here, which is bound to happen with the opening of the Caucasus forum, there can be a little section opened here. Nothing detailed and complex but something like Estonia or Latvia in the Nordic & Baltic forums.

In short, if Armenia can be both European and Asian, i chose the latter. :) Besides "Caucasian" has the word Asia in it.

http://times.am/2011/05/10/eu-is-considered-to-be-an-important-partner-for-armenia/

"The word Caucasus derives from Caucas, the purported ancestor of the North Caucasians. He was a son of Togarmah, grandson of Biblical Noah's third son Japheth. According to Leonti Mroveli, after the fall of the Tower of Babel and the division of humanity into different languages, Togarmah settled with his sons: Kartlos, Haik (Georgian: ჰაოს, Haos), Movakos, Lekos (Lak people), Heros (Kingdom of Hereti), Kavkasos, and Egros (Kingdom of Egrisi) between two inaccessible mountains, presumably Mount Ararat and Mount Elbrus.

Alternative origins are: From a Pelasgian word for "mountain" or from a Scythian word meaning "snow-white"."

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"Caucas or Kavkasus (Georgian: კავკასოსი) was the purported ancestor of Caucasians. His story is narrated in the compilation of the medieval Georgian chronicles, Kartlis Cxovreba, taken down from oral tradition by Leonti Mroveli in the 11th century. The legend has it that he was a son of Targamos and, thus, brother of Haos (the legendary patriarch and founder of the Armenians), Movakos, Lekos, Heros, Kartlos (known to be ancestor of Georgian people), and Egros (from whom other peoples of the region (Georgians of Kolkheti (egrisi civilisation)) took their origin.

Caucas' son Dzurdzuk is said to be the ancestor of modern Chechens and Ingush"

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"The North Caucasus (or Ciscaucasia) is the northern part of the Caucasus region between the Black and Caspian Seas and within European Russia. The term is also used as a synonym for the North Caucasus economic region of Russia."

http://times.am/2011/05/10/eu-is-considered-to-be-an-important-partner-for-armenia/



Ah, the mighty EU , everybody wants a piece of it, Armenia is no exception :)

Ah, the mighty EU , everybody wants a piece of it, Armenia is no exception :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_France

French continue to welcome them open arms without EU. :)

Why wouldnt they?! French Armenians are first of all French,most of them were born there, many have made a great contribution in that country, there are a lot of famous French Armenians .

Well once more Armenians come here, which is bound to happen with the opening of the Caucasus forum, there can be a little section opened here. Nothing detailed and complex but something like Estonia or Latvia in the Nordic & Baltic forums.

Right now Estonian sub-forum has about 40 active forumers on SSC,Latvia probably has as much or bit more. Both sub-forums simplistic form is largely because of N&B structure - local skybar/Icebar & photography sections are shared with all other N&B countries,keeping sub-forums pretty clean.
Tbh,I think ~10 local forumers who would be actively relaying Armenian related news & developments,would take photos etc. would help to start Armenian forum. After that things just start to roll,more forumers join in and place starts to grow. It would take time though and right now it would be nice if atleast few posters on Armenian construction thread would be locals living there,not foreigners :D

What is the price per square meter for an new apartment in Yerevan?

Here a driving video from Yerevan to Sisian from user LaTumbladora:

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The movie Aghet about the Armenian Genocide (German with English subtitles):

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Shat lav:

Caucasus Conflict Voices — May 2011


Introduction by Thomas de Waal

Anyone who works with the conflicts of the Caucasus learns to live with contradiction. If you watch state media in Armenia or Azerbaijan or hear some politicians speak, you could believe that these two nations are implacable enemies on the verge of war. One Azerbaijani friend told me that nowadays whenever he hears the word “fascist” he expects to hear the word “Armenian” attached to it. In many ways the modern identities of independent Armenia and Azerbaijan and of the small statelet of Nagorny Karabakh are defined by rejection and hatred of the other.

Yet as soon as you probe deeper strange things start to happen and this picture begins to blur. A long conversation with an Azerbaijani about how terrible the Armenians are ends with the admission that his grandmother was actually…Armenian. A Karabakh Armenian talks about the crimes of the Azerbaijanis and then casually lets slip that he had Azeri friends at school and still remembers a lot of the language.

Move outside the conflict zone and these hidden signs of compatibility come out into the open. In the territory of Georgia, Armenian and Azeri villagers live side by side. There is trade and even inter-marriage. Armenians and Azerbaijanis often prefer to do business with each other than with Georgians.

We hear far too little of what I call this “third narrative” of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, a narrative of peace. It spins the idea that the two peoples are capable of getting along fine, have lived together in the past and, if politicians are able to overcome differences on the Karabakh conflict, can live together in the future. International mediators are too timid to speak this narrative or feel that it is not their business. The media in both countries suppresses it.

This is why I congratulate Onnik Krikorian for the work he has done over the past few years, both in print and in images, and which is published here. He has given a voice to these alternative points of view and given a vivid picture of the different and much more positive Armenian-Azerbaijani reality that still exists in ordinary people and in Georgia.

Look at these pictures and descriptions of villages such as Tekali and you see that the problem there is not ethnic incompatibility or historical injustice, but poverty — poverty that will have a much better chance of being fixed if the Karabakh conflict can be overcome and money can be diverted from buying expensive weapons. It is a totally different and refreshing approach and he has done it pretty much by himself.

Send this collection to anyone who thinks they understand the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict and be pleasantly surprised by their reaction.

Thomas de Waal is a senior associate in the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Carnegie Endowment. he is also the author of Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan through Peace and War.


http://peace.oneworld.am/conflict_voices_may_2011.html

Ребята давайте будем активнее .

Крупнейшие гостиничные сети мира - Hyatt, Kempinski, Wyndham Hotel Group, Ramada, InterContinental и другие скопом устремились в Армению

В ближайшие несколько лет свои услуги в Армении будут предлагать ряд известных брендовых гостиничных сетей. Об этом заявил министр экономики Армении Тигран Давтян.
В частности, в первом полугодии 2012 г. В Джермуке завершится строительство гостиницы Hyatt. Отметим, что гостиницы и зоны отдыха Hyatt есть в 45 странах мира, а из стран Южного Кавказа первая гостиница откроется в Армении.
В самом сердце Еревана, на улице Амиряна, будет построен шикарный пятизвездочный отель Kempinski. Это первый проект этой компании в Армении. Открытие намечается на 2013 г. Kempinski предложит гостям 150 удобных номеров и люксов. Эта компания считается самой старой гостиничной сетью Европы: создана в 1897 г., а сейчас включает в себя 64 различных отелей в 28 странах мира.
Крупнейшая в мире сеть гостиниц Wyndham Hotel Group построит в Армении первый комплекс сети Ramada - Ramada Yerevan. Гостиница будет расположена в строящемся районе «Ной» в Ереване, который будет служить в качестве как бизнес-квартала, так и жилого района. «Ной» будет расположен на расстоянии примерно 3 км от аэропорта «Звартноц». Комплекс станет первым вложением группы Wyndham Hotel Group в Армению. Завершение проекта запланировано на 2013 г., сообщает News.am
Еще одна крупная гостиничная сеть, InterContinental Hotels, построит отель на месте бывшего Дворца Молодежи в Ереване.

http://arminfocenter.ucoz.ru/news/2011-12-01-1769

...Отметим, что гостиницы и зоны отдыха Hyatt есть в 45 странах мира, а из стран Южного Кавказа первая гостиница откроется в Армении.
Это неверная информация. В Азербайджане в Баку функционируют два отеля этой сети Hyatt Regency и Park Hyatt

Это неверная информация. В Азербайджане в Баку функционируют два отеля этой сети Hyatt Regency и Park Hyatt

Galandar не будут же они врать , дай мне сылку где официально написано что они принадлежат сети Hyatt ;)
тогда может и поверю

Galandar не будут же они врать , дай мне сылку где официально написано что они принадлежат сети Hyatt ;)
тогда может и поверю
Хочешь сказать что я вру? Я не вру, а вот они врут. Вот доказательство с официального сайта Hyatt http://www.hyatt.com

Hyatt Regency Baku http://baku.regency.hyatt.com/

Park Hyatt Baku http://baku.park.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp?extCorporateId=

Хочешь сказать что я вру? Я не вру, а вот они врут. Вот доказательство с официального сайта Hyatt http://www.hyatt.com

Hyatt Regency Baku http://baku.regency.hyatt.com/

Park Hyatt Baku http://baku.park.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp?extCorporateId=

не горячись , раслабся :) . я просто хотел увидеть где офиц. написано , вот и всё .
ну ошиблись они , с кем не бывает :dunno:

не горячись , раслабся :) . я просто хотел увидеть где офиц. написано , вот и всё .
ну ошиблись они , с кем не бывает :dunno:
Наоборот, я вроде очень спокоен :)

Armenian, Chinese Militaries Sign Cooperation Agreement (http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/24453802.html)

Armenia and China have agreed to continue their mostly unpublicized defense cooperation during talks held in Yerevan between senior military officials from the two countries.

A delegation of the Chinese Defense Ministry led by Major-General Xi Gowei met with Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian and other senior Armenian officials during a three-day visit that ended on Sunday.

A statement by the Armenian Defense Ministry said that the two sides signed an “agreement on bilateral military and military-technical cooperation.” It gave no details of that agreement.

The statement instead quoted Ohanian as praising the deal and saying that the development of Chinese-Armenian military ties has “promising prospects.” His first deputy, Davit Ohanian, called for “the full use of the existing potential in defense cooperation.”
​​The Chinese officials also held separate meetings with the heads of the Armenian Defense Ministry’s departments on defense policy and personnel and military training. “Agreements were reached on developing cooperation in military education, rear supplies, the military-technical and other spheres,” the ministry statement said without elaborating.

Defense links between the two countries date back to the late 1990s. Armenia reportedly received at the time several batteries of Chinese WM-80 multiple-launch rocket systems that have a firing range of up to 80 kilometers. Their delivery prompted protests from Azerbaijan.

China has also trained several dozen Armenian officers at its military academies. Meeting with a visiting Chinese army general in 2004, then Defense Minister Serzh Sarkisian thanked Beijing for its “assistance” provided to the Armenian armed forces.

Sarkisian continued to emphasize China’s importance for Armenia after becoming president in 2008. “Armenia is interested in deepening relations with China,” he told Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi in Yerevan in February last year.

Yang similarly expressed his country’s readiness to expand bilateral ties in all areas of mutual interest. China regards Armenia as a “trustworthy and reliable friend,” he said.

Hm, their cooperation can't be that "deep", seeing how closely Armenia allied itself to Russia.

Visiting yerevan for one week from Italy