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Salute gentlemen & ladies

What? American version of what?

Is this thread about 'The Office'?




Although he could be on about 'My country tis of thee' which uses the same melody as 'God save the Queen'.

I don't get it :cry:

God and Freedom. Yep, it's American alright. Still bloody awful. :lol:

it's a song based around "God save the Queen" with the words changed to some America shit.

Are you talking in general?

Eg:

http://www.teamscolors.com/img/p/828-6914-large.jpg vs http://www.cleansheetsallround.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Wembley-Champions-League-final-balll-300x300.jpg


or specifically about "My Country Tis of Thee" vs "God Save the King" ?

http://www.duckpondbarn.co.uk/warwickcastle.jpg
Real Castle with hundreds of years of History.

VS

http://services.mmginteractive.com/PhotoLibrary/photos/Library409/Small/mcowd_disney_castle.jpg
Fibreglass Castle which contains some dressing rooms and a Security Guards office.

We win.

God save the queen :puke:

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My country tis of thee :cheers: :cheers:

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American version of angel of mine by monica :okay: :okay:

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Original song by british group eternal :down: :down:

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What is wrong with our National Anthem? You do not appreciate it because you are not British and thus it has no meaning to you, just as your song has no meaning to us. Ours is built on thousands of years of history and the Unification of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Huzzah! We have a Forum Troll!

Whereas yours is built purely on jealousy and a lack of creativity.

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Actually, I want to watch this unfold.

US version of Red Dwarf:

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Conclusive proof that everything the USA touches turns to shit.

/thread

Nezzy: I was gonna post that!!!

Smeg Head...

Huzzah! We have a Forum Troll!

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

i aint a troll...i am just paying a visit to you guys forum...take it eazy bro

Burger vouchers :lol:

British police car :down: :ohno: @ the color

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/S9b6Z2uIuaI/AAAAAAACyg8/9ryoxEmPbqs/s800/Jaguar-Police-XF-0.jpg


American police car :D :okay:

http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2010/08/203635,xcitefun-police-car-10.jpg


american wins!!! :cheers:

Police Cars are one thing I will give you. Though a few of the cars in Portsmouth are black now, though still wikth the battenburg.

I would pick the jag anyday..

Plus that American one isn't even used, what police car has phantom doors?

Coupling: definitely British version.

Office: definitely British version.

What British stand-up comedy has to offer: John Oliver and Ricky Gervais. :cheers1:

What US stand-up comedy has to offer: Dane Cook and Ned "Carlos Mencia" Holness. :puke:

Coupling: definitely British version.

Office: definitely British version.

What British stand-up comedy has to offer: John Oliver and Ricky Gervais.

What US stand-up comedy has to offer: Dane Cook and Ned "Carlos Mencia" Holness :barf:.

us comedy stand up - chris rock :cheers::cheers::cheers:

British bulldog ...short and chubby...:ohno:

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn16418/dn16418-5_500.jpg

American bulldog....tall and looking good :D

http://8lunchguys.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/american-bulldog-3.jpg

Staffordshire Bull Terrier

http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/breedinformation/terrier/images/stbult.jpg

Sit down.

us comedy stand up - chris rock :cheers::cheers::cheers:

Chris Rock transcript;

blah blah blah ******s

*audience laughs*

blah blah like ******s blah

*audience laughs*

white people are like blah blah

*audience laughs*

What a humorous thread, look at the silly American making a dick of himself.

US Sports Car

Chevrolet Camaro (2010) 310-400hp limited to 155mph, 0-60 6.1s, quarter mile 14.9s achieving 97mph
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/2010ChevroletCamaro-05-1.jpg

British Sports Car

Lotus Evora (2010) 276-345hp Limited to 162mph, 0-60mph 4.9s, quarter mile 14.1s achieving 101mph
http://www.agradu.org/pictures/Lotus-Evora-2.jpg

American Beer* - British Beer






*(piss in a can)

British police car :down: :ohno: @ the color

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/S9b6Z2uIuaI/AAAAAAACyg8/9ryoxEmPbqs/s800/Jaguar-Police-XF-0.jpg


American police car :D :okay:

http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2010/08/203635,xcitefun-police-car-10.jpg


american wins!!! :cheers:


Its a Jaguar XF, it wins just because of that, literally. Its been car of the year (in its class) so many times!

But anyway, I'm still confused about the aim of this thread? Comparing a huge new world country to a small historic old world island?

All you need to remember is that the 13 stripes on the US flag represent the 13 British colonies we majestically conquered and ruled over.

Even your own national flag tells you that we pwned your arse.

Britain wins. Again.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/a647556d1a342784

Amen

This fellow must be some kind of plant. :sly: Even an American can't be this much of a boob. :ohno:

Amen

+1

But anyway, I'm still confused about the aim of this thread? Comparing a huge new world country to a small historic old world island?


I don't think this thread was ever supposed to be that, but it has turned into it.

Chris Rock transcript;

blah blah blah ******s

*audience laughs*

blah blah like ******s blah

*audience laughs*

white people are like blah blah

*audience laughs*


*jack laughs*

British english is funny :lol: @ trousers

American english is the best

again we took your english and we made it better "blokes"

Knap of Howar, Scotland, oldest building in the world still standing (3500BC)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Knapofhowarinsun.jpg

St Lukes Church, Virginia (1632) Oldest building built in the United States still standing.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/St_Lukes_Church_Smithfield_VA.jpg

^^ what building? i don't see anything :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

American pornstars > british pornstars (except for sophie dee from birmingham, uk)

American food crushes British food :yes:

:banana:

yes, crushes it under the weight of its own obesity.

yes, crushes it under the weight of its own obesity.


:lol:

American pornstars > british pornstars (except for sophie dee from birmingham, uk)

American food crushes British food :yes:

:banana:

Not meaning to join in with this thread, I was just wondering if you could name some British dishes? Without googling or saying Fish and Chips.

The British campus of the University of Evansville IN is situated on the outskirts of my town. I come in contact with americans on a regular basis, and one thing I often hear is how surprised they are that our food is actually nice. Sunday Lunch being possibly the most popular dish.

Bourbon, 4 year old cattle fodder
https://evbdn.eventbrite.com/s3-s3/eventlogos/5134875/bourbon2.jpg

Water of Life, 15-25 year old perfection

http://bestscotch.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/best-scotch.jpg

American girls are much better than British girls.

British: spice girls, only had one hit with "wanna be"

http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/spice-girls-canada.jpg


American: Destiny childs, had 10+ hits worldwide :yes:

http://www.barewalls.com/i/c/434348_Destinys-Child.jpg

This fellow must be some kind of plant. :sly: Even an American can't be this much of a boob. :ohno:
It's just Dennis being Dennis.

British english is funny :lol: @ trousers

American english is the best

again we took your english and we made it better "blokes"

Did Americans remove the full stop? :nuts:

*jack laughs*

Racist!

British: spice girls, only had one hit with "wanna be"

http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/spice-girls-canada.jpg

American: Destiny childs, had 10+ hits worldwide :yes:

http://www.barewalls.com/i/c/434348_Destinys-Child.jpg

Spice sales 10,000,000 in US

best selling Destiny Child album 6,300,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_Girls_discography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny's_Child_discography

Also, Spice Girls' 'Forever' sales, lol.

British: spice girls, only had one hit with "wanna be"


American: Destiny childs, had 10+ hits worldwide :yes:



Not only are you wrong, but are so in trouble if you start comparing music.

American pornstars > british pornstars (except for sophie dee from birmingham, uk)

American food crushes British food :yes:

:banana:

American Pornstars = plastic tits, plastic lips, fake hair... you may as well fuck a blow up doll.

Point of order: Britain doesn't actually have a national anthem. We have a 'national hymn'. And, as an athiest and a republican, I think it's quite a wank one at that.

America wins.

British Police car

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_03/PaulMastersonAPEX_468x326.jpg

yes, crushes it under the weight of its own obesity.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Weird thread. Prefer British beer - good food is easier to find in America.. a lot easier!

British Cider > American 'Hard' Cider (Normal Cider in America is Non-Alcoholic!!!)

Weird thread. Prefer British beer - good food is easier to find in America.. a lot easier!

American beer is a lot like German wine - they tend to keep the good stuff for themselves and export the shit to us. You should go on a pub crawl round America and try the good shit.

British food is miles better than American, mind. Egg and chips is the food of the gods.

Weird thread. Prefer British beer - good food is easier to find in America.. a lot easier!

You can find good food and bad food very easily in both countries I think

True.

One area we win hands down though is cheese. American cheese is utterly vile.

Britain leads the world in cheese. No one else can touch us - even the French.

And if you disagree with that it's because you're a retard.

Does the UK produce any cheese similar to/better than gouda? I fucking love gouda

American versions of British don´t hold a candle!
Rule Britannia all the way when it comes to things like actors, bands, culture, directors, taste!
Quality über Quantity!

Question, what do you call Original American food?
Most of their dishes derives from an European origin.
Even their classic Hamburger is ground beef steak on bread.
The only thing I can think of is tomato ketchup which I think wife of Thomas Jeferson(?) created based on another recipe.

American pornstars > british pornstars (except for sophie dee from birmingham, uk)


"American" pornstars aren´t even that.
Their a mix of a lot of nationalities.
Except for the really ugly ones! :lol:

Does the UK produce any cheese similar to/better than gouda? I fucking love gouda

Have you tried Mr Moyden's Newport cheese? its very good, one of shropshire's best.

Question, what do you call Original American food?
Most of their dishes derives from an European origin.
Even their classic Hamburger is ground beef steak on bread.
The only thing I can think of is tomato ketchup which I think wife of Thomas Jeferson(?) created based on another recipe.

Cajun?

Cajun?

That is French, Caribbean, African mix.
The average American does not know what an Okura or Couscous is.

Have you tried Mr Moyden's Newport cheese? its very good, one of shropshire's best.

Just done a bit of googling and I must say that Wrekin Blue does look pretty damn good :drool:

http://www.mrmoyden.com/

This is what makes the whole British cheese scene the best in the world. We have an absolutely massive range of styles and so many fantastic local varieties to discover.

That is French, Caribbean, African mix.
The average American does not know what an Okura or Couscous is.

But the mix is American, if you want to be that pedantic would you say that anything containing bread isn't European because bread was invented in the middle-east?

Or that Italian cuisine is a sham because Tomatoes come from South America ^^

Point of order: Britain doesn't actually have a national anthem. We have a 'national hymn'. And, as an athiest and a republican, I think it's quite a wank one at that.

America wins.

I thought that England, Scotland etc. didn't have a national anthems but the UK did?

I can't believe that you lot have risen to the bait.

Come on folks, normally threads like this are ignored out of hand.

Have you tried Mr Moyden's Newport cheese? its very good, one of shropshire's best.I recently purchased a "cheddar" from my local Costco outlet. The cheese was imported from a company in the UK named 'Coastal'. It was an excellent white cheddar. I returned to purchase more and was told that it was a one-off and would not be a regular item. Pity because it was an excellent cheese.

Or that Italian cuisine is a sham because Tomatoes come from South America ^^


You never know, some Koreans are hell bent claiming that red peppers were indigenous to Korea.:nuts::lol:

I can't believe that you lot have risen to the bait.

Come on folks, normally threads like this are ignored out of hand.

oh come on, it's obviously light-hearted banter on this occasion. true, it could descend into something more unpleasant...but it's a risk i'm willing to take. :p

Come on folks, normally threads like this are ignored out of hand.

That's never been my impression.

Well, they peter out after a page and a half generally.

The discussion has moved onto cheese. A cheese thread will never die :happy:

no, it'll only get better with age.

^ cheesy.

A cheese thread will never die :happy:

You tell the man.

http://i56.tinypic.com/s5e1qe.jpg

PS Americans won't get that because you haven't got a sophisticated sense of humour. (Have you heard of Robin's Nest? Exactly...)

This thread is going to brie awsome. I dont give edam what anyone else says.

Less than 5 miles from my house are award winning cheese makers Thomas Hoe Stevenson. http://www.thomashoestevenson.co.uk/

Their 6 month aged red Leicester is amazing, I'll buy some later on I think.

http://www.northampton-delicatessen.co.uk/images/Thomas-Hoe-Stevenson-Aged-Red-Leicester.jpg

This thread is going to brie awsome. I dont give edam what anyone else says.

Too many puns, I Camembert it.

krafty.

The little fuckers asleep.

The discussion has moved onto cheese. A cheese thread will never die :happy:

Yes, it's a cheese thread now isn't it! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif

Of course to avoid it slipping back we'll have to proceed caerphilly.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT THE PUNS! I CAN'T STAND THE PUNS!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT THE PUNS! I CAN'T STAND THE PUNS!

Since when were you the Big Cheese round here?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT THE PUNS! I CAN'T STAND THE PUNS!

So, you're not fondue them then?

O JESUS CHRIST I'M CAUGHT IN A WEB OF PUNS.

RIGHT, I'M GOING TO DO SOME WORK UNTIL THIS HAS STOPPED.

O JESUS CHRIST I'M CAUGHT IN A WEB OF PUNS.

RIGHT, I'M GOING TO DO SOME WORK UNTIL THIS HAS STOPPED.

Knob Cheese.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386557/A-womans-tears-mile-long-line-mark-opening-In-N-Out-Burger-fast-food-joints-Texas.html

Tears and a two-mile-long line mark opening of the first In-N-Out Burger joints in Texas

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386557/A-womans-tears-mile-long-line-mark-opening-In-N-Out-Burger-fast-food-joints-Texas.html#ixzz1NYYzuRzd


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What do you call a cheese that isn't yours?

Nacho cheese.

:bowtie:

Oi Clarky.

I think we can milk this a little longer. I ain't going to disappear like the Limberger Baby.

What do you call a cheese that isn't yours?

Nacho cheese.

:bowtie:

Like :cheers:

(I'm thinking of cheese that much when I did this icon i wrote :cheese: instead of :cheers :)
:nuts:

British english is funny :lol: @ trousers

American english is the best

again we took your english and we made it better "blokes"


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non-cheese related posts are being made, surely there are stiltons of puns left we haven't thought of.

O JESUS CHRIST I'M CAUGHT IN A WEB OF PUNS.

RIGHT, I'M GOING TO DO SOME WORK UNTIL THIS HAS STOPPED.

Oh, I'm sure there's stiltons of momentum left in this one. :yes:

Well, this thread has now turned irreversibly into a cheese thread: it's a feta-complis.

(Oh and that being the case, American cheeses are Gouda for nothing so Britain wins)

Gruyeah!

Gruyeah!

nice, Comte is pretty good as well.

I realise this thread has now evolved into a cheese thread, but for what it's worth...


The Canadian Royal Kilted Yaksmen version:

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(skip to about 45 seconds in)

Not only are you wrong, but are so in trouble if you start comparing music.



This has gotta be a joke, right?

Are Americans those big bellied people that talk funny and say dude at the end of every sentence? :dunno:

Are Americans those big bellied people that talk funny and say dude at the end of every sentence? :dunno:



Yup! You know the ones, the people who live in the most powerful and influential country in the history of the planet.

Yup! You know the ones, the people who live in the most powerful and influential country in the history of the planet.

Hi Jayhawker. What's your favourite cheese?

Yup! You know the ones, the people who live in the most powerful and influential country in the history of the planet.

Pretty sure Britain had more power in it's heyday!

Plus your cheese sucks.

All cheese is shit. Apart from on pizza.

Subliving.

Pretty sure Britain had more power in it's heyday!

Plus your cheese sucks.

you do realise you're shitting on things american by using american terms?

you do realise you're shitting on america while using american terms?

Suck is part of a widespread Indo-European family of ‘suck’-words which go back to the base *seug-, *seuk-. This no doubt originated in imitation of the sound of sucking from the mother’s breast. Amongst its relatives are Latin sūgere (whose past participle sūctus gave English suction (17th c.)), Welsh sugno, German saugen, Dutch zuigen, Swedish suga, and Danish suge. Suckle (15th c.) was probably a back-formation from suckling (13th c.), itself a derivative of suck. Also from suck comes sucker (14th c.), which originally denoted a ‘baby still at the breast’; its use for a ‘gullible person’ (that is, someone as naive as an unweaned child) originated in American English in the early 19th century.

Sometimes I wish the Brits didn't invent the internet!

did you use american search engine google for that?

Funny how Britain is supposedly so small and unimportant, yet seems to significant enough for a daft minority from The United States of "hell yeah, we're the most influential country in the entire galaxy" America feel the need to try and make some weird point about being better.

Would they feel the need to do this with any other European country? Germany, for example? How about places like New Zealand?

Not saying that the UK is so "fuck yeah, we're the greatest in human history", but at the same time, the idea that we're so insignificant is as often, if no more, over-egged. I think the Texan who started this thread, even though I think it's supposed to be in jest, has kinda helped make that point.

did you use american search engine google for that?

^^ Did you just communicate to us in English?

did you use american search engine google for that?

No. Read the paper.

You can also thank us for keeping your ass clean without using dock leaves!

Stairz:

did you use american search engine google for that?

yeah, one named after an english literary expression? :p

eden's on their side, his treachery is complete - let's get him!

The thing is, one of the most spectacular natural features in the south is Cheddar Gorge. And what is Cheddar? Thats right, super mega fantastic tasting cheese. :banana:

Yup! You know the ones, the people who live in the most powerful and influential country in the history of the planet.

Yarg! :gaah:

I think we've exhausted the cheese based puns and we should leave it Brie

You know what I love? Rocket, goats cheese and a bit of balsamic. I'm going to have it for my tea tonight.

^ You must think we are all emmental

I've just had some cheese.

Didn't taste as great as I built it up to be. :(

Then I had a magnum.

which was also horrible.

^ You must think we are all emmental

We *did* the puns earlier, thank you very much.

I've just had some cheese.

Didn't taste as great as I built it up to be. :(


That is a shame. What sort was it?

Whats all the off topic posting about America and Britain? This is the cheese thread you know. Take the willy waving to the Parmesan thread.

^^ Did you just communicate to us in English?

yes. confronting blindly anti-american bile (as god knows how many americans are forced to do on here) doesn't make me anglophobic. i'm proud of my english background - that's why i'll defend against people heaping embarrassment on it.

We *did* the puns earlier, thank you very much.

I couldn't give a Leerdammer

Have any of you guys tried Norwegian cheese gjetost, that is one weird cheese...

That is a shame. What sort was it?

Just some Morrisons chedder.

It was nice just not as good as I wanted it to be.

I think we've exhausted the cheese based puns and we should leave it Brie

That's a load of mascarpone and trap!

It's interesting that although cheese has a reputation for being high in fat, it can actually serve to reduce the body's fat absorption. Studies have shown that a daily intake of dairy produce effectively 'lines the stomach' and makes fats more likely to travel straight through the digestive system.

So good old cheese is a friend in the battle against 'the bulge'

Have any of you guys tried Norwegian cheese gjetost, that is one weird cheese...

Quick bit of googling ....

Whoah! That cheese is BROWN! WTF is that all about?
That cheese looks nasty. :no:

http://www.recipetips.com/images/glossary/c/cheese_gjetost.jpg

Have any of you guys tried Norwegian cheese gjetost, that is one weird cheese...

Is that the brown one? It's shit.

enough with the cheese :gaah:

Whats all the off topic posting about America and Britain? This is the cheese thread you know. Take the willy waving to the Parmesan thread.

Indeed.

http://natncobaltexpress.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/funny-pictures-cat-asks-who-throws-cheese.jpg

Just some Morrisons chedder.

It was nice just not as good as I wanted it to be.

Perhaps you should have gone for something a bit more special. I'm into that stuff with chillies in it at the moment. It's nice with about three bottles of red.

...

America makes the best music in the world hands down......even the british will bow :D

America makes the best music in the world hands down......even the british will bow :D

A lot of it is quite cheesy though.

Talking of cheese, did you know it takes around 10 litres of milk to make just 1 kg of hard cheese, making it an excellent source of calcium.

America makes the best music in the world hands down......even the british will bow :D

Yeah ... for gays!

iShIl5YKfsU

Hi Jayhawker. What's your favourite cheese?


Hey, what's up?

As for cheese, there are so many that I love. A perfectly ripened epoisse is hard to beat. Stilton and Cabrales are my favorite blue cheeses. And Scharfe Maxx is a hard cheese from Switzerland that is among my current favorites. I could go on...

There are so many that I love. A perfectly ripened epoisse is hard to beat. Stilton and Cabrales are my favorite blue cheeses. And Scharfe Maxx is a hard cheese from Switzerland that is among my current favorites. I could go on...


Please do.

Yeah ... for gays!

iShIl5YKfsU


He's Canadian.

Now we're on the subject of cheese!

Did you know that the mold in blue cheeses is a penicillium?

He's Canadian.

Do they have any famous cheeses?

Now we're on the subject of cheese!

Did you know that the mold in blue cheeses is a penicillium?

So cheese can even cure a headache?

My word, it truly is a miracle food.

If you collected all the mold from loads and loads of stilton and then made a new block of cheese out of it, would it taste of cheese or mold?

Pretty sure Britain had more power in it's heyday!

Plus your cheese sucks.

This is, of course, absolute nonsense. Get your ass out of the dairy section of your supermarket and come to the States. I spend way too much money on cheeses from all over and I would say that--in total--the US has the best selection of cheeses anywhere in the world; unless you count all of Europe as a group. Then it is lopsided the other way.

America makes the best music in the world hands down......even the british will bow :D

CD2LRROpph0

:|

Do they have any famous cheeses?

I only know of poutine, which is chips covered in cheese curds.

If you collected all the mold from loads and loads of stilton and then made a new block of cheese out of it, would it taste of cheese or mold?

Good question!!

One to think about!

This is, of course, absolute nonsense. Get your ass out of the dairy section of your supermarket and come to the States. I spend way too much money on cheeses from all over and I would say that--in total--the US has the best selection of cheeses anywhere in the world; unless you count all of Europe as a group. Then it is lopsided the other way.


Really? I've always found you to be one of the more erudite posters on here so I've no reason to doubt what you say. I'd be interested to hear more: are there, for example, any regions of the US particularly associated with specific types of cheese? It's not something that we in Europe ever hear much about.

This is, of course, absolute nonsense. Get your ass out of the dairy section of your supermarket and come to the States. I spend way too much money on cheeses from all over and I would say that--in total--the US has the best selection of cheeses anywhere in the world; unless you count all of Europe as a group. Then it is lopsided the other way.

Err why are you talking about cheese?

I only know of poutine, which is chips covered in cheese curds.

Thats disappointing considering Canada's links with Britain and France. :ohno:

Just some Morrisons chedder.

It was nice just not as good as I wanted it to be.


For my money, the best cheddar in the world is the Grafton Five Year made in Grafton Village, Vermont, USA.


USA USA USA USA!

For my money, the best cheddar in the world is the Grafton Five Year made in Grafton Village, Vermont, USA.


USA USA USA USA!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/stevemist1/bush_dailymirror_dumb_people.jpg

Really? I've always found you to be one of the more erudite posters on here so I've no reason to doubt what you say. I'd be interested to hear more: are there, for example, any regions of the US particularly associated with specific types of cheese? It's not something that we in Europe ever hear much about.


Well, Wisconsion is most associated with cheese among outsiders and Americans alike, so I understand where our reputation for mass-produced, overly-processed cheese come from. But there are many great cheese producers in the upstate New York and New England area; and California produces a large and increasing number of fantastic artisanal cheeses. Unfortunately, there seems to be a prejudice against anything American when it comes to fine dining (and well, just about anything cultural for that matter). That is why it took decades for Europeans to finally start serving our wine.

America makes the best music in the world hands down......even the british will bow :D


My friends here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xloDHYDTixY) think otherwise. :tongue4:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/stevemist1/bush_dailymirror_dumb_people.jpg




I never voted for the man, but if you're looking to shame me for the fact that he was elected, it will not work. He played to the basic instincts of the American voter brilliantly. Many instincts which I share.

^ Copious amounts of eating?

^^

Saying "hell yeah" every two minutes? :dunno:

For my money, the best cheddar in the world is the Grafton Five Year made in Grafton Village, Vermont, USA.


USA USA USA USA!

Cheddar originates in the West Country in a village called Cheddar where it is made in caves and local farms where you get the best cheddar in the world..Any cheese called cheddar which does not come from the South West of England is fake!

aren't most of those cheeses in upstate and new england cheddars?

There are over 700 British cheeses.

Thats amazing.

Proper Cheddar comes from caves in Cheddar Gorge. The only cheese factory I know that featured in a First Person Shooter.

My friends here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xloDHYDTixY) think otherwise. :tongue4:



The British rock band is one of the great contributions to world culture. You should be rightly proud. As I am proud that the greatest music Britain has ever produced came via an American artform. In a mere 100 years, the musical heritage of America surpassed that of any other country.

Cheddar originates in the West Country in a village called Cheddar where it is made in caves and local farms where you get the best cheddar in the world..Any cheese called cheddar which does not come from the South West of England is fake!


Call it what you like. Our version is better...


edit: ...in my not so humble opinion

aren't most of those cheeses in upstate and new england cheddars?


Many are, yes; but I would say a growing majority are making other types.

The British rock band is one of the great contributions to world culture. You should be rightly proud. As I am proud that the greatest music Britain has ever produced came via an American artform. In a mere 100 years, the musical heritage of America surpassed that of any other country.

:lol::lol::lol:

The British rock band is one of the great contributions to world culture. You should be rightly proud. As I am proud that the greatest music Britain has ever produced came via an American artform. In a mere 100 years, the musical heritage of America surpassed that of any other country.

I'd say the classical composers of Germany and Austria would have something to say about that.

Hey, what's up?

As for cheese, there are so many that I love. A perfectly ripened epoisse is hard to beat. Stilton and Cabrales are my favorite blue cheeses. And Scharfe Maxx is a hard cheese from Switzerland that is among my current favorites. I could go on...

So all your favourite cheeses are European, yet you think that the US makes the best cheese?

The British rock band is one of the great contributions to world culture. You should be rightly proud. As I am proud that the greatest music Britain has ever produced came via an American artform. In a mere 100 years, the musical heritage of America surpassed that of any other country.


Lol.

Rock and Roll was born in America, adapted from the blues music brought to America by Africans.

Hard Rock (which Zeppelin pioneered) was British :) as was Heavy Metal (Sabbath), Progressive Rock (Pink Floyd), Beat Music (Beatles), Glam Rock (Bowie) and many other genres of band based music. Band based music, is something that dates back long before the U.S was founded.

Other American genres like Country Music are just re inventions of early English and other European countries Folk Music brought to the states to become the Appalachian music scene.

Britain has a great history of Classical music, which the US doesn't.

Rap however, is all yours.... but I don't know if that is something to be proud of really... besides, US rap died in the mid 90's.

Lol.

Rock and Roll was born in America, adapted from the blues music brought to America by Africans.

Hard Rock (which Zeppelin pioneered) was British :) as was Heavy Metal (Sabbath), Progressive Rock (Pink Floyd), Beat Music (Beatles), Glam Rock (Bowie) and many other genres of band based music. Band based music, is something that dates back long before the U.S was founded.

Other American genres like Country Music are just re inventions of early English and other European countries Folk Music brought to the states to become the Appalachian music scene.

Britain has a great history of Classical music, which the US doesn't.

Rap however, is all yours.... but I don't know if that is something to be proud of really... besides, US rap died in the mid 90's.

You are right about rap music dying in the 90s.....but historically we have produced more musicians that uk...michael jackson, madonna, elvis, jimmy hendrix, toni braxton, marvin gate, motown just to name a few....
This is a debate you definately won't win

How about creating hilarious SSC signatures - who wins at that?

You are right about rap music dying in the 90s.....but historically we have produced more musicians that uk...michael jackson, madonna, elvis, jimmy hendrix, toni braxton, marvin gate, motown just to name a few....
This is a debate you definately won't win

I didn't want to enter this debate but I feel I have too now.

Britain send out quality. Not quantity.

So all your favourite cheeses are European, yet you think that the US makes the best cheese?



I said "in total". Meaning this: as much as love many individual cheeses from around Europe, I prefer the total output from American cheesemakers. Put in yet another way, if someone were to give me an ultimatum: "you can only eat cheese from a single country for the rest of your life", I would choose the US without any hesitation. I would miss Stilton and Cana de Cabra and Parmigiano Reggiano, but I would be eating better than if I had chosen any other single country.

You are right about rap music dying in the 90s.....but historically we have produced more musicians that uk...michael jackson, madonna, elvis, jimmy hendrix, toni braxton, marvin gate, motown just to name a few....
Marvin Gate is my favourite. :yes:

You have 5 times our population, your going to produce more... but we gave the world The Beatles, so we win.

You are right about rap music dying in the 90s.....but historically we have produced more musicians that uk...michael jackson, madonna, elvis, jimmy hendrix, toni braxton, marvin gate, motown just to name a few....
This is a debate you definately won't win

Toni Braxton? It's not even worth.. :blahblah:

Marvin Gate is my favourite. :yes:

How about The Doors?

We also gave the world Punk Rock, Heavy Metal and Progressive Rock.

Marvin Gate is my favourite. :yes:

Not Led Shedllin?

I didn't want to enter this debate but I feel I have too now.

Britain send out quality. Not quantity.


Sigh. The stubborn ignorance of you people regarding America would almost be admirable if it weren't so pathetic. American culture has soaked through your country like water to a dessicated sponge, and you have done wonderful things with that water; yet you hate the water so much. Why is that?

We also gave the world Punk Rock, Heavy Metal and Progressive Rock.


Punk? Really? News to me. And what the hell is progressive rock?

You have 5 times our population, your going to produce more... but we gave the world The Beatles, so we win.


If America isn't around, British music doesn't exist. It really is that simple.

Oh, except for Handel's Messiah. Whoops. But was Handel even British?

America is more like piss and we are Paula Radcliffes bottle.

Marvin Gate is my favourite. :yes:



Always found him a bit squeaky.

If America isn't around, British music doesn't exist. It really is that simple.

Oh, except for Handel's Messiah. Whoops. But was Handel even British?

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POO HEAD

I said "in total". Meaning this: as much as love many individual cheeses from around Europe, I prefer the total output from American cheesemakers. Put in yet another way, if someone were to give me an ultimatum: "you can only eat cheese from a single country for the rest of your life", I would choose the US without any hesitation. I would miss Stilton and Cana de Cabra and Parmigiano Reggiano, but I would be eating better than if I had chosen any other single country.

Each to their own I guess......

Always found him a bit squeaky.

You're good :lol:

Always found him a bit squeaky.

Oh come on, "I Heard It Down the Frontpath" is a great song.

Punk? Really? News to me. And what the hell is progressive rock?


With children my time is so wastefully spent,
A burden to keep, though their inner communion,
Accept like a curse an unlucky deal.
Played by the gate at the foot of the garden,
My view stretches out from the fence to the wall,
No words could explain, no actions determine,
Just watching the trees and the leaves as they fall.

If America isn't around, British music doesn't exist. It really is that simple.

Oh, except for Handel's Messiah. Whoops. But was Handel even British?

That's like saying if Britain wasn't around America wouldn't exist, lol

What about Elgar anyway?

With children my time is so wastefully spent,
A burden to keep, though their inner communion,
Accept like a curse an unlucky deal.
Played by the gate at the foot of the garden,
My view stretches out from the fence to the wall,
No words could explain, no actions determine,
Just watching the trees and the leaves as they fall.

...when I'm cleaning windows.

Lol.

Rock and Roll was born in America, adapted from the blues music brought to America by Africans.

Hard Rock (which Zeppelin pioneered) was British :) as was Heavy Metal (Sabbath), Progressive Rock (Pink Floyd), Beat Music (Beatles), Glam Rock (Bowie) and many other genres of band based music. Band based music, is something that dates back long before the U.S was founded.

Other American genres like Country Music are just re inventions of early English and other European countries Folk Music brought to the states to become the Appalachian music scene.

Britain has a great history of Classical music, which the US doesn't.

Rap however, is all yours.... but I don't know if that is something to be proud of really... besides, US rap died in the mid 90's.



This post is just so full of fail I don't know where to begin. I am at a loss. Should I mention jazz music first? Blues? Perhaps I should start by calling you an idiot for dismissing country-western music? And when should I talk about American orchestral music? Motown, hip-hop, latin, house, musical theater and motherfucking rock and roll...

Sigh. The stubborn ignorance of you people regarding America would almost be admirable if it weren't so pathetic. American culture has soaked through your country like water to a dessicated sponge, and you have done wonderful things with that water; yet you hate the water so much. Why is that?

I think you're getting confused. America is populated by descendents of Europeans. It's culture is essentially European. Your water analogy is essentially the other way around.

musical theater

:)

Oh come on, "I Heard It Down the Frontpath" is a great song.

A grabbed this screen shot of the video for that song. Marvin is looking good,

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That's like saying if Britain wasn't around America wouldn't exist, lol





In its current incantation, that is most likely true. A nice little feedback loop.

I think you're getting confused. America is populated by descendents of Europeans. It's culture is essentially European. Your water analogy is essentially the other way around.



Everything has had an effect on everything, of course. But American culture is quite unique. In fact, it is so dynamic and perplexing to many Europeans that they mistake it for a lack thereof.

Okay. What's so unique about it?

Marvin Gate - the wilderness years.

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Everything has had an effect on everything, of course. But American culture is quite unique. In fact, it is so dynamic and perplexing to many Europeans that they mistake it for a lack thereof.

One can not have gradations of uniqueness when either is or is not unique.

British own grandslam - wimbledon

Since 2000

American women winning 9 times out of 11.

British women - 0

Salute blokes :D

Sport induces violence in the common man.


that's two from:
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4276841

I'm on a roll!

Stubborn Kind of Hinge?

British own grandslam - wimbledon

Since 2000

American women winning 9 times out of 11.

British women - 0

Salute blokes :D

Ahwell.

We steal your women!!

Oi Rodman ... over here :wave:


HERE DENNIS!!

CAN YOU SEE ME?


..................


OI RODDERS. I'M HERE :wave:


finally. How long did that take you? bloody hell ...

Now stop with your silliness and give me a big cuddle















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Oi Rodman ... over here :wave:

HERE DENNIS!!

CAN YOU SEE ME?

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finally ....

Now stop with your silliness and give me a cuddle



:lol: :lol:

When you guys produce women that can win the best grandslam in the world then we can talk ecolo

Yes the BRITISH grand slam is the best in the world. :cheers:

Our women don't play tennis. They don't have the time too practice after they've finished with the housework.

Yes the BRITISH grand slam is the best in the world. :cheers:

Our women don't play tennis. They don't have the time too practice after they've finished with the housework.

You don't need to be sexist to hide the fact your women suck at game of tennis you guys created

we have produced more musicians that uk...jimmy hendrix


Sorry... where exactly did Jimi Hendrix become famous? It certainly wasn't the US.... and at least try and spell his name right! :ohno:


If America isn't around, British music doesn't exist. It really is that simple.

:lol: :nuts:

Might as well say, if not for Britain, the U.S wouldn't exist... so we hereby claim all your achievements as ours.


This post is just so full of fail I don't know where to begin. I am at a loss. Should I mention jazz music first? Blues? Perhaps I should start by calling you an idiot for dismissing country-western music? And when should I talk about American orchestral music? Motown, hip-hop, latin, house, musical theater and motherfucking rock and roll...


Just incase you are a little simple, I have bolded the times I mentioned the things you said I didn't. And Musical Theatre wasn't born in the U.S.

See example;


Quote:
Originally Posted by LondonFox
"Lol.

Rock and Roll was born in America, adapted from the blues music brought to America by Africans.

Hard Rock (which Zeppelin pioneered) was British as was Heavy Metal (Sabbath), Progressive Rock (Pink Floyd), Beat Music (Beatles), Glam Rock (Bowie) and many other genres of band based music. Band based music, is something that dates back long before the U.S was founded.

Other American genres like Country Music are just re inventions of early English and other European countries Folk Music brought to the states to become the Appalachian music scene.

Britain has a great history of Classical music, which the US doesn't.

Rap however, is all yours.... but I don't know if that is something to be proud of really... besides, US rap died in the mid 90's."

Gershwin?

The US stole some good Russians at the start of the 20th century for their orchestral music scene. But if we are not allowed Handel or Holst then I guess they don't count as Americans ;)

Crivens if they're having Gershwin, we're having gilbert and sullivan.

And Andrew Lloyd Webber..

:shuuder:

And Richard Stilgoe.

Richard Stilgoe > Eminem

:yes:

What have they done to Chloe Kelly

Everything has had an effect on everything, of course. But American culture is quite unique. In fact, it is so dynamic and perplexing to many Europeans that they mistake it for a lack thereof.

Yeah, I'm so sexy that women make the mistake of perceiving me as hideous.

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What the hell is American anyway its the biggest mismatch of cultures of any country on earth "gypsies of the world".

Who posted a picture of that shitty Camaro a few pages back bragging about it? as if we are going to be impressed by that! :lol:

The only decent car ever to come out of the US was the Ford GT40.... oh, wait a minute... that was designed and built in England, silly me.

Really? I've always found you to be one of the more erudite posters on here so I've no reason to doubt what you say. I'd be interested to hear more: are there, for example, any regions of the US particularly associated with specific types of cheese? It's not something that we in Europe ever hear much about.

I don't think you hear much about it because Europeans are arrogant about their food, amongst many other things (ie-everything). You brought up beer before and it's practically the same thing.

Wisconsin for instance produces over 600 different varieties of cheese and is the only state that has a master cheesemakers program. The cheeses most associated with Wisconsin are Colby, Brick, and high quality Cheddar. To lump all American cheeses in with mass produced stuff is rather insulting.

The troll thread just got trolled.:dunno:

Hard Rock (which Zeppelin pioneered) was British :) as was Heavy Metal (Sabbath), Progressive Rock (Pink Floyd), Beat Music (Beatles), Glam Rock (Bowie) and many other genres of band based music. Band based music, is something that dates back long before the U.S was founded.

Beat Music? Glam Rock? You are talking about sub-genres. And ones that were ultimately born from American influences. The Beatles for instance were influenced by American artists like Buddy Holly and later Bob Dylan. The same can be said about Bowie and Jimmy Page/Robert Plant. The most important innovators of that time were acts like Elvis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, and American bluesmen.


Other American genres like Country Music are just re inventions of early English and other European countries Folk Music brought to the states to become the Appalachian music scene.

There is some truth in that as many people from the British Isles moved to that part of the country, although it is hardly the same music. The difference is the fusion of European and African cultures. The banjo also being one of the big differences.

Britain has a great history of Classical music, which the US doesn't.

That's not exactly true. We can see the talent of these styles in Hollywood films. Call me crazy but John Williams will be looked upon as favorably as these great classical composers.

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Rap however, is all yours.... but I don't know if that is something to be proud of really... besides, US rap died in the mid 90's.

Wow, what a cliche thing to say. Hearing people sing the praises of pre-2000's rap is almost getting nauseating. Almost as bad as the people refuse to say any basketball player remotely approaches the talent of Michael Jordan. Rap isn't dead. Your just listening to the wrong rap. The good rap simply went underground and off the top-40 charts.

The thing with Americans is they think the whole world wants too be like them which is not true.There is probably a singer in India with billions of fans which dwarfs there top performers popularity.

That's not exactly true. We can see the talent of these styles in Hollywood films. Call me crazy but John Williams will be looked upon as favorably as these great classical composers.

Sorry, but using John Williams as an example of great American classical music is simply absurd.

Williams' canon is taught in music schools specifically as an example of work that borrows extremely liberally from every significant European composer (and most significantly Wagner). In other words he is remarkable (and indeed so successful) by dint of being as unoriginal as he is.

If you want to use examples of great cinematic score composers then you'd do a great deal better citing people like Bernard Hermann and Jerry Goldsmith.

Also, if you want to bring people's attention to proper American composers then I'd suggest Charles Ives or Aaron Copland.

Beat Music? Glam Rock? You are talking about sub-genres. And ones that were ultimately born from American influences.

Sub Genres of what exactly? Rock Music? ... Rock Music as a whole was developed on both sides of the Atlantic, US and UK... only Rock and Roll which is a spin off genre itself was born in the US exclusively.. and even then, its influences were taken from blues and folk, folk being a European export in the first place.

Beat Music, Metal, Hard Rock, Glam Rock, Progressive Rock etc etc... they were brand new entities when created in the UK, no one had heard music like that before, the influences for them came from personal and living experience over here, with far more influence from original English and Celtic folk music, like Zeppelin and Jethro Tull.


The Beatles for instance were influenced by American artists like Buddy Holly and later Bob Dylan. The same can be said about Bowie and Jimmy Page/Robert Plant.


The Beatles were influenced by Presley and Holly at the very start, but they went on to far bigger and better things inventing new genres all the time. I don't think you could call any of their mid to later work influenced by anything coming out of the States. And Bowie.... influenced by Holly?? :lol:


Call me crazy but John Williams will be looked upon as favorably as these great classical composers.


John Williams is just a film score composer. A good one, (whose major works were mostly recorded with British orchestras) but will never be ranked alongside people like Holst or Elgar.


Rap isn't dead.

It is over here... besides, we have our own flavour of hip hop in the UK.. and its gooood.

Sorry, but using John Williams as an example of great American classical music is simply absurd.

Williams' canon is taught in music schools specifically as an example of work that borrows extremely liberally from every significant European composer (and most significantly Wagner). In other words he is remarkable (and indeed so successful) by dint of being as unoriginal as he is.

If you want to use examples of great cinematic score composers then you'd do a great deal better citing people like Bernard Hermann and Jerry Goldsmith.

Also, if you want to bring people's attention to proper American composers then I'd suggest Charles Ives or Aaron Copland.



Yes. Ives, Copeland, Leonard Bernstein, Ira Gershwin, Philip Glass, John Adams and aforementioned Russians such as Rachmaninoff--who composed some of his greatest pieces in New York.

The thing with Americans is they think the whole world wants too be like them which is not true.There is probably a singer in India with billions of fans which dwarfs there top performers popularity.

Why are you people so hung up on popularity? It's the same damn thing with soccer. Nobody here gives a shit to be quite honest with you. Most of us just assume everybody around the world hates us.

Most of us just assume everybody around the world hates us.

And you dont give a god damm about it do you.

It's the same damn thing with soccer. Nobody here gives a shit to be quite honest with you.


Thats your problem :lol: everyone else in the world loves our English game of football.

Sorry, but using John Williams as an example of great American classical music is simply absurd.

Williams' canon is taught in music schools specifically as an example of work that borrows extremely liberally from every significant European composer (and most significantly Wagner). In other words he is remarkable (and indeed so successful) by dint of being as unoriginal as he is.

If you want to use examples of great cinematic score composers then you'd do a great deal better citing people like Bernard Hermann and Jerry Goldsmith.

Also, if you want to bring people's attention to proper American composers then I'd suggest Charles Ives or Aaron Copland.

Why is it absurd? His scores for movies are among the most iconic, memorable, and famous pieces of music. So what if his music is similar to Wagner? Wagner didn't compose the Star Wars, ET, Jurassic Park, or Indiana Jones themes.

It's similar to the plot of The Social Network. Social networking had been done before but it was Facebook that will have a place in the history books. John Williams music will also go down in movie and music history because he produced so much iconic work.

Thats your problem :lol: everyone else in the world loves our English game of football.

That proves my point football is a true global sport maybe we should all play baseball that rocks god dammm hell yeah.

Baseball blows... no one outside of the U.S really plays that.

Why is it absurd? His scores for movies are among the most iconic, memorable, and famous pieces of music. So what if his music is similar to Wagner? Wagner didn't compose the Star Wars, ET, Jurassic Park, or Indiana Jones themes.

It's similar to the plot of The Social Network. Social networking had been done before but it was Facebook that will have a place in the history books. John Williams music will also go down in movie and music history because he produced so much iconic work.

I. Just. Don't. Know. How. To. Argue. With. This. Logic.

*Does not compute!!*
*Does not compute!!*
*Does not compute!!*

Sub Genres of what exactly? Rock Music? ... Rock Music as a whole was developed on both sides of the Atlantic, US and UK... only Rock and Roll which is a spin off genre itself was born in the US exclusively.. and even then, its influences were taken from blues and folk, folk being a European export in the first place.

Beat Music, Metal, Hard Rock, Glam Rock, Progressive Rock etc etc... they were brand new entities when created in the UK, no one had heard music like that before, the influences for them came from personal and living experience over here, with far more influence from original English and Celtic folk music, like Zeppelin and Jethro Tull.

Sub-genres of rock and roll, which got it's start in the U.S and expanded around the world. What makes it an American music style is that it originated from a fusion of American/European and African cultures. Which of course goes back to the whole 'melting pot' that this country is based around opposed to multi-culturalism. I am not saying that the genre was completely developed by the U.S. but the genre wouldn't exist without this American melting pot in the Deep South. Or without slavery, where the orgins of blues, jazz, swing, ragtime, etc. came from.





The Beatles were influenced by Presley and Holly at the very start, but they went on to far bigger and better things inventing new genres all the time. I don't think you could call any of their mid to later work influenced by anything coming out of the States. And Bowie.... influenced by Holly?? :lol:

Yes, but these artists were influencing each other at that time. Like I said, guys like Lennon were influnced by Bob Dylan and the Beatles were influencing other acts. Guys like Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton were influencing future rockers.

As for Bowie, I was referring to Little Richard who is probally one of the most influential artists in music history.



John Williams is just a film score composer. A good one, (whose major works were mostly recorded with British orchestras) but will never be ranked alongside people like Holst or Elgar.

By who? I hate to break it to you but the music snobs don't dictate popularity. Most people probally don't even know who those two are. John Williams has created some of the most iconic music of the past century. The Star Wars theme alone is one of the most recognizable pieces of music in music history. I don't see how it isn't as well known or as well regarded as Beethovens 5th long into the future.



It is over here... besides, we have our own flavour of hip hop in the UK.. and its gooood

I really doubt that it's dead. Only for the people pining for Tupac, Run DMC, and Biggie to return. The 80's/early 90's are over and they aren't coming back.

And I know that you have your own hip hop. Ive heard some it and it's good.

And you dont give a god damm about it do you.

No, I really don't care considering the rest of the world is filled with hypocrites and haters.

Thats your problem :lol: everyone else in the world loves our English game of football.

That's wonderful. Hopefully you guys can win the World Cup again. Maybe you can try winning your group first though. :lol:

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Baseball blows... no one outside of the U.S really plays that.

Well aside from people in Canada, Latin American, and East Asia (Japan/Korea).

And why does it blow? Because you don't play in in the U.K?

Sub-genres of rock and roll

Not really.... maybe Hard Rock had a few carried over tendencies, but the majority was completely new in format.


Most people probally don't even know who those two are.


Most people would know who they were. The Planet Suite is one of the most famous classical pieces of all time. If by most people, you mean you then I would have to agree.



John Williams has created some of the most iconic music of the past century. The Star Wars theme alone is one of the most recognizable pieces of music in music history. I don't see how it isn't as well known or as well regarded as Beethovens 5th long into the future.


If people keep dumbing down their perceptions of classical music..it probably will be. Truth be told, Beethoven probably could have written it with both hands behind his back.


I really doubt that it's dead.


Its dead. People over here just listen to the old stuff. But no one can relate to it anymore, the message it was based on has long been forgotten and instead replaced by gun toting retards who wear trousers too big for them.

Well aside from people in Canada, Latin American, and East Asia (Japan/Korea).

And why does it blow? Because you don't play in in the U.K?


No one plays it... Canada doesn't count.. they are like America lite anyway.

Most people would know who they were. The Planet Suite is one of the most famous classical pieces of all time. If by most people, you mean you then I would have to agree.

Are you honestly going to tell me that more people know 'The Planet Suite', could name the title, and could also tell you the composer? I doubt it and I think you know that I am exactly right.




If people keep dumbing down their perceptions of classical music..it probably will be. Truth be told, Beethoven probably could have written it with both hands behind his back.

But he didn't. And I hardly see how brilliant film scores are 'dumbing down' perceptions of music. Beautiful pieces of music that evoke images of childhood and adventure.



Its dead. People over here just listen to the old stuff. But no one can relate to it anymore, the message it was based on has long been forgotten and instead replaced by gun toting retards who wear trousers too big for them.

Yeah, maybe on the Top 40 charts but nothing has changed. Nothing is dead. People are just too damn nostalgic about their youth that they refuse to see any good in the current music. There are plenty of semi-mainstream rappers making good music and many underground.

No one plays it... Canada doesn't count.. they are like America lite anyway.

I already told you that it's played in Latin America and in Asia. And who cares if everybody doesn't play it? Again I ask---wtf is with some of you people and popularity? Everybody goes to McDonalds. Doesn't make it better than normal restaurants.

You guys shouldn't have dissed the chief export of Mariachi's home state. :ohno:

You guys shouldn't have dissed the chief export of Mariachi's home state. :ohno:

Hell no man! I was taking a sabbatical from this website and was lurking for weeks. And then they had hate. :lol:

Dennis Rodman:ohno:

Dennis Rodman:ohno:

What do you expect from the Worm? He trolled them all just like Dennis Rodman trolled opponents on the boards'.

Oh and if nomarandlee is reading this, I really felt bad about the Bulls going down. Looks like all that is standing in Lebron's way is a 7 foot tall German.