Dear all

Please use this thread for further discussion on Chennai Monorail instead of spamming Chennai Metrorail thread.

Here is the history of Chennai Monorail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chennai_Monorail

We can see this time it will be implemented for sure. :)

1. Announcement in Tamilnadu assembly - June 3rd 2011
2. Phase I - 111KM, 4 corridors
3. Total distance planned - 300KM
4. DBFOT - Design Build, Finance, Operate and Transfer basis
5. Tender announcement date - August 15th 2011
6. Pre bid conference - Sep 7th 2011
7. Last date for bidding i.e Bid due date -Oct 12th 2011

The corridor proposed are in Phase I


Corridor - 1

From Vandalur to Puzhal
(Route course - Perungalathur, Irumbuliyur, Tambaram, MEPZ, Chromepet, Pallavaram, Pammal, Anakaputhur, Andarkuppam, Kunrathur, Kollacheri, Mangadu, Kummananchavadi, Karayanchavadi, Melapakkam, Paruthipattu, Govarthanagiri, Avadi Market, Avadi, Thirumullaivoyal, Ambattur O.T., Pudur, Pallikuppam, Surapet) –
Route Length about 54 kms

Corridor – 2

From Vandalur to Velachery
(Route Course - Perungalathur, Irumbuliyur (East), Tambaram East, Camp Road, Kamaraj Nagar, Sembakkam, Gowriwakkam, QMC, Medavakkam, Pallikaranai, Narayanapuram, Kamatchi Hospital, Madipakkam Coot Road) –Route Length about 23 kms

Corridor – 3

From Poonamalle to Kathipara
(Route course Karayanchavadi, Kummnanchavadi, Katupakkam, Iyyappanthangal, Ramachandra Hospital, Porur, Mouglivakkam Jn., Ramavaram, Nandambakkam, Butt Road ) –
Route Length about 16kms



Corridor – 4

From Poonamalle to Vadapalani
(Route course Karayanchavadi, Kummnanchavadi, Saveetha Dental College, Vellappanchavadi, Maduravoyal, Alapakkam, Valasaravakkam, Alwarthirunagar, Virugmbakkam, Vadapalani Bus Terminus)
Route Length about 18 kms;
(all four corridors - defined as “Corridors Identified herein”)

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copyrights: Dinamalar,Hindu

Chennai Mono Rail gains speed

The traffic congestion in the city would soon be a thing of the past with chief minister Jayalalithaa showing keen interest in speeding up the 100-km Mono Rail project and also introduce it in Tiruchy, Madurai and Coimbatore.

Experts say that the Mono Rail will link most of Chennai and suburbs and will be a welcome addition to Metro Rail now under progress.

When completed, Chennai will have a four-tier train system comprising the old electrical multiple unit (EMU) linking Beach to Tambaram, mass rapid transit system (MRTS) from Beach to St Thomas Mount, Metro Rail between Washermanpet and airport and mono rail (routes yet to be finalised).

“The Mono Rail’s advantages include safety, quicker project execution, low noise pollution and lower cost to consumer,” said a senior government official. “But it can carry less number of passengers when compared to the metro.”

The Chennai Metropolitan Development Authority (CMDA) in its second master plan had suggested that mono rail could be operated in two routes, Dams Road-Royapettah-Mylapore-Adyar-Guindy Halda
junction and Lighthouse MRTS station-Anna flyover-Kilpauk-Perambur at a cost of `1,480 crore.

When the AIADMK government was in power in 2006 the Pallavan Tran-sport Consultancy Ser-vices had also recommended a Mono Rail project.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/chennai-mono-rail-gains-speed-019

Proposed corridor in the past- Chennai Monorail Map

http://www.thehindubusinessline.in/2006/02/03/images/2006020302161902.jpg

http://www.thehindubusinessline.in/2006/02/03/images/2006020302161901.jpg

Arul.. Super speed!!

Anyways, I saw somewhere that the above corridors proposed could be built in 18 months :nuts:

Really???

333 KM. That's freaking huge! :nuts:

333 KM. That's freaking huge! :nuts:

Thats a freaking politician's word!! Don't take it seriously...

Arul,

U will have the blessings of Amma for sure ....^^

^^

My dream is that this will be implemented in IT corridor right from T.nagar to Kelambakkam with a depot at Kelambakkam.

IT corridor median la Monorail....kelae finished main carriage way and service road... rendu sidum IT parks.... dreaming much. :nuts:

Most probably it may start by the begainning of 2012.

IMHO, Parrys-Kelambakkam stretch must be taken up first.

Will we get some thing like this

http://www.scomirail.com.my/images/product/2_04.jpg

Scomi builds the Mumbai Mono rail . They have a video of the actual train. Similar one will be good.

http://www.scomirail.com.my/product.htm

How is the progress of Mumbai Monorail ?? isn't facing a lot of problems?? Can we really see the work being completed in 18-24 months once it starts??

How is the progress of Mumbai Monorail ?? isn't facing a lot of problems?? Can we really see the work being completed in 18-24 months once it starts??

Mumbai monorail activity is not upto the mark but practically monorain project can be completed very fast since land acquisition & cost is very less compare to metro if they choose the line accordingly. we can hope both metro & Mono will be ready by 2015.

i wish now govt plan monorail for following corridor first:
1)Ambatur-mugapair-Nungambakkam RS-valluvarkottam-pondy bazzar-Tnagar-saidai
2)Thiruvanmiyur-besant ngr-adyar-mylai-cathedralrd-gemini-chetpet-kilpauk-ayanavaram-perambur-moolakadai
3)Velachery-kilkattalai-medavakkam-tambaram east

later 2016, next govt can do metro on IT corridor, mount poonamalee rd,T.nagar-vadapalani-porur,

Chennai monorail project should act as feeder to the current metro lines planned of Corridor 1&2 and Suburban services as well:

My wishlist of mono rail routes will be :

-- Saidapet - Adyar - Tiruvanmiyur - Kelambakkam

-- Tambaram -- Medavakkam -- Sholinganallur

-- Avadi - Ambattur - Ambattur Est. -- Tirumangalam

-- Tambaram -- Poonamalle - Avadi

-- Tirumangalam -- MMDA colony - Valluvar Kottam -- T.Nagar -- Sidapet

Man, this is awesome news! Can't wait for this to happen!

Amma <3 :P

This plan could easily remove all the city buses off the road :) Good luck !!

Chenna will become city of million pillars :)

I hope for porur-vadapalani-tnagar-nandam-adyar route. instead of having porur parrys, this will be better. either tranfer to parrys can happen at nandanam metro or take vadapalani central metro.

Sick and tired of this route. from kodambakkam to porur is one hell.

Will we get some thing like this

http://www.scomirail.com.my/images/product/2_04.jpg

Scomi builds the Mumbai Mono rail . They have a video of the actual train. Similar one will be good.

http://www.scomirail.com.my/product.htm

This is from KL city...LMAO>...U know what?If this is going to be the size of it in Chennai too..during the peak hours from 7 to 10 we need atleast a dozen on such couplets one behind another for the proposed Mass Transport....its gonna be funny for the onlookers...what a waste of money...

Why can't monorails have more coaches??

They can have more coaches .. see example of Las Vegas monorail here:

Courtesy: Wikipedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/LasVegasMonorailCC.JPG

Even the Sydney one has more coaches: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SydneyMonorail1_gobeirne.jpg

No monorail will fail to make a staggering impression on an onlooker. More so on a gaping rustic. Will a hard headed analyst be ever swept off his feet?

In certain select countries the average capital cost of a mile was $138 million at 2002 computation.In Malaysia it was $58 million a mile. What is the cost for TN for 300 km?

The passenger capacity is 200-300 depending on the no.of cars, no. standing and crush loading or otherwise. The no. of cars is 2-6.

In Las Vegas the service commenced in 2004 for a distance of 4 miles and 7 stations. The capital cost was $ 142 mill. per mile. Collection too was high at $1.125 per mile IN 2009 the monorail carried 6 million passengers and earned a revenue of $27 million. Yet in early 2010 it filed for bankruptcy protection and has shelved its plans of expansion. Dubai built 5.45 km at $70 mill.a mile. TN wants to venture on 300 km.

TN with all the parameters of a third world state wants to excel the developed counterpart. This is to be executed by a government which reckons that 20.162 million or 28% of it's population cannot feed itself at even Rs 1.00 per kg of rice.

Which part of the world will believe that a people accept ruin just because it is foisted on them?

I do not think mono rail is a good option for a city like Chennai !

However I take solace from the fact that Trichy, Kovai and Madurai are going to get monorails as per the Guv's address. Those are the kind of cities , with narrow roads, which require monorails. Besides, it would beautify those cities and attract more investment.

Are we going to have a seperate mono rail thread for these cities too ?

And one more advantage in a monorail is that we can turn it into a MagLev whenever we want and run high speed trains on it :D

Are we going to have a seperate mono rail thread for these cities too ?

Only feasibility study would be conducted as of now for rest of cities.. So, it can wait...

I do not think mono rail is a good option for a city like Chennai !

However I take solace from the fact that Trichy, Kovai and Madurai are going to get monorails as per the Guv's address. Those are the kind of cities , with narrow roads, which require monorails. Besides, it would beautify those cities and attract more investment.

Are we going to have a seperate mono rail thread for these cities too ?

Other tier II cities narrow roads can be compared with T.nagar, Triplicane roads etc.,

Only Anna Salai, IRR, PH road is broader in Chennai and already metro u/c for these roads.

Monorail will suit to congested areas of Chennai.

Other tier II cities narrow roads can be compared with T.nagar, Triplicane roads etc.,

Only Anna Salai, IRR, PH road is broader in Chennai and already metro u/c for these roads.

Monorail will suit to congested areas of Chennai.

+1..

Also, anyways in 2016, DMK would come back and start off with the remaining metro phases!!;) So, don't worry....

By 2020, chennai will have both MonoRail and Metro :-)

This is a promotional video for Seattle Monorail. Chennai could probably expect one soon.

TUoqeRADp4Q

+1..

Also, anyways in 2016, DMK would come back and start off with the remaining metro phases!!;) So, don't worry....

This is what going to happen... atleast by 2020 Chennai will have both Metro and Mono....

If DMK comes to power in 2016 (depends JJ rule & unified DMK), then We will have Phase II of Metro too...

This is what going to happen... atleast by 2020 Chennai will have both Metro and Mono....

If DMK comes to power in 2016 (depends JJ rule & unified DMK), then We will have Phase II of Metro too...


And that is a good thing because more and more people would start using public transport since the entire city would be covered by the suburban railway, MRTS, monorail, metro rail systems .

Metro , MRTS and suburban convering main areas and Monorail , BRTS and MTC buses providing feeder services.

Probably, we will have the best transport system in the world if that is the case , barring Singapore !

One more advantage of a monorail is that it doesn't consume electricity !

We can use CNG or LPG or any other fuel, even solar power !

Short and sweet!!

Chennai is a mix of broad and congested roads... we need both.

Article Abiut Metro Mono Rail in TImes of India 4/06/11 Edition:

COST MONO | Rs 45 crore to Rs 50 crore per km METRO |Nearly Rs 300 crore per km of underground line

WEIGHT

MONO | A coach weighs six to 10 tonnes
METRO | A coach weighs 45 tonnes

RADIUS OF CURVATURE

MONO | Has lowest radius of 20 to 30 metres and can negotiate sharp curves of 90 degrees with ease
METRO | Radius is much more because trains run on standard gauge

CAPACITY

MONO | Only 10,000 commuters per hour METRO | Can carry 30,000 commuters per hour

POWER DEMAND

MONO | Generates own power and does not require power from the grid. Source of power is combination of battery, solar, CNG genset and series of regenerative braking motors attached to wheel sets
METRO | Will require 25KV power which will be drawn through overhead power cable. Around 70MW will be used for two corridors

LAND NEEDED

MONO | Land requirement is less. Network can be built along medians and dividers and stations can be accessed from staircases or elevators that can be built on vacant land on the footpath or along the road
METRO | Land requirement is huge. Lines can be constructed along medians but stations are huge complexes that will straddle the entire width of the road. Chennai Metro Rail has minimised land requirement by positioning the line and stations mostly on government land

COMPLETION TIME

MONO | Can be installed and commissioned in 24 months METRO | A 23-km corridor can be laid out in only four years

My thoughts

The main objective of the mono rail should be to connect "non metro rail" serving roots with connections to the stations that come under the present approved metro rail corridor. This way, the transport system in Chennai would be in sync with the rest of the transport platforms.

I.E.,

Buses -> Monorail stations -> Metro rail stations
Buses -> Metro rail stations
Buses -> Monorail stations -> MRTS stations
Buses -> Monorail stations -> Suburban train stations
Buses -> Suburban train stations
Buses -> MRTS stations
Monorail -> MRTS stations
Monorail -> Proposed BRTS stations
Monorail -> Suburban train stations
Monorail -> Metro rail stations

Even as works for Chennai Metro Rail are progressing rapidly, the AIADMK government has decided to restrict the network to just 45 km and, instead, launch Mono Rail, which has been Jayalalithaa’s pet project, to cover 111 km in its first phase.

As expected, this was announced on Friday in the Governor’s address.

Highly-placed sources said, “As proposed in the comprehensive study conducted by private consultants for the CMDA, Mono Rail routes were recommended from Pallavaram to Koyambedu (27 km) through Kundrathur, Poonamallee, Ambattur; Avadi to Kilpauk (24 km); Porur to Madhavaram (through bypass); Ambattur to Madhavaram and Sriperumbudur to Chennai lighthouse through Porur, T. Nagar and Anna flyover.”

However, the routes might be decided in such a way that it doesn’t overlap Metro Rail routes, sources added.
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http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/metro-run-45-km-mono-rail-111-km-252

^^ We need everything that reduces congestion in roads. But the real question is will this government implement this project? Or will it be something like Metro or SLA announced during 2001-06?

^^ We need everything that reduces congestion in roads. But the real question is will this government implement this project? Or will it be something like Metro or SLA announced during 2001-06?

I think it will definitely implement atleast in Chennai.. I m saying this not coz JJ is great or something but for the simple reason that Karuna has implemented Metro rail and she would definitely wanna go one up over him!!

I think it will definitely implement atleast in Chennai.. I m saying this not coz JJ is great or something but for the simple reason that Karuna has implemented Metro rail and she would definitely wanna go one up over him!!

Exactly my thoughts! Thats the reason i trust this would be delivered this time.

DMK we got Metro
ADMK we will get mono

Let DMDK come, we will get Maglev.:lol:

Exactly my thoughts! Thats the reason i trust this would be delivered this time.

DMK we got Metro
ADMK we will get mono

Let DMDK come, we will get Maglev.:lol:

Which party will complete MRTS? :gaah:

Which party will complete MRTS? :gaah:

MRTS is under the control of Indian Railways, ie , Central Government !

Which party will complete MRTS? :gaah:

God only can complete MRTS

MRTS is under the control of Indian Railways, ie , Central Government !

ayyo adhu engallukku therium sir! ..

read it on a funny note, not a serious one

Unless we get the DPR for mono rail we can't be sure of Metro Phase 2

This is a promotional video for Seattle Monorail. Chennai could probably expect one soon.

TUoqeRADp4Q

Well, Seattle monorail never happened. The project was scrapped. Now, I don't know if thats the way Chennai monorail should go :)

Just for me to understand..

Clearly, mile for mile, a metro can carry many, many more people (something like 3 times as many) than a monorail can, due to the inherently "lighter" nature of the monorail, and due to this factor many people would like to see a metro developed in Chennai rather than a monorail..

But does that argument still hold when, say, a metro network of 30 kms is compared to a monorail network of 100 kms?

Would the immensely greater reach, ease of accessibility and distribution of the monorail network make up for its lower capacity along a shorter distance?

Take osaka and tokyo monorail as a case study.

Osaka monorail - The largest monorail in the world in terms of length has only 18 stations on 28 kms (2 lines) and daily usage of 1 lakh.

Tokyo monorail - The largest monorail in the world in terms of usage has only 11 stations on 18 kms (1 line) and daily usage of around 3 lakhs.

No way a sane person would build a network of 111km or 300km of monorail.

I believe most of us are currently thinking metro is going to become another mrts and mono will rule.

Even the Chennai vision document recommended at least two mono rail systems. For most north chennai areas or its suburbs, I believe mono rail holds distinct advantages. As of now no routes have been announced, so speculating on the routes and clash is at best our wildest guesses.

Take a possibility of having a mono rail from Ambattur to Madhavaram/Perambur, unless the underground metro comes, there is simply no wide road to accomodate. This can surely take hundreds of buses off the road. But for a solution from Perambur to south Chennai, I would love to have a metro, as the sheer volume is mind boggling.

I would love to have the Mylapore-Poonamallee metro still. If the mono are planned without killing the Phase II routes and if they compliment the metro and if suitably interlinked, Chennai can have a real dream network.

The main challenge is coming from MTC which still wants to dominate, rather than play a support role in alleviating the traffic chaos.

I think the half statements from Governor's address have done JJ more harm than losing a mandate. Hope she acts swiftly and clearly forward.

some of the monorails in the video look as wide as delhi metro IMO and with that many number of cars why can't you carry more people?

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Could you please stop the political debate here? If interesed so much please carry on in Chennai discussion or TN arrttai arangam thread to know Vadivel master mind beyond metrorail.

And please carry on the political debate or vent your frustration only in those two thread instead of spamming or starting the political debate over each thread.

I request mods to take action if political debate is dragged in mono, metro or mrts thread.

I think the half statements from Governor's address have done JJ more harm than losing a mandate. Hope she acts swiftly and clearly forward.

But are we the only people shouting from our rooftops about this?

Outside the Skyscrapercity forums, I have not seen anyone taking notice of this issue. Nothing mentioned in the newspapers (negative or positive) nor do I know of anything like this discussed in the TV, magazines or anything.

While occasionally, newspapers publish articles about bad infrastructure, I have not seen anything that discuss the merits / demerits of such proposals.

No one seems to have given much thought about this monorail / metro porposal in the Governor's speech (apart from one or two articles publishing the older maps).

If so, how is the Chief minister even going to know that at least some section of the populace is dissatisfied? And why is she going to feel any need of acting swiftly or cleverly?

No one seems to have given much thought about this monorail / metro porposal in the Governor's speech (apart from one or two articles publishing the older maps).

If so, how is the Chief minister even going to know that at least some section of the populace is dissatisfied? And why is she going to feel any need of acting swiftly or cleverly?

Vijay, I think all of us are just coming to our own conclusions, based on limited info. That seems to be the root cause.

SOURCE: http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/metro-run-45-km-mono-rail-111-km-252 (http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/metro-run-45-km-mono-rail-111-km-252)

Even as works for Chennai Metro Rail are progressing rapidly, the AIADMK government has decided to restrict the network to just 45 km and, instead, launch Mono Rail, which has been Jayalalithaa’s pet project, to cover 111 km in its first phase.

As expected, this was announced on Friday in the Governor’s address.

Highly-placed sources said, “As proposed in the comprehensive study conducted by private consultants for the CMDA, Mono Rail routes were recommended from Pallavaram to Koyambedu (27 km) through Kundrathur, Poonamallee, Ambattur; Avadi to Kilpauk (24 km); Porur to Madhavaram (through bypass); Ambattur to Madhavaram and Sriperumbudur to Chennai lighthouse through Porur, T. Nagar and Anna flyover.”

However, the routes might be decided in such a way that it doesn’t overlap Metro Rail routes, sources added.

The Governor said, “Traffic congestion continues to pose a major challenge to administration in Chennai and other cities. Considering the cost and the time factor, the government would implement Mono Rail project in Chennai and investigations would be undertaken to implement in cities like Coimbatore, Madurai and Tiruchy to decongest the traffic.”

Contrary to the earlier proposal, which suggested Mono Rail for 490 km, the Governor said it would cover 300 km in all.


This is the most clear I could get info on the routes. Appreciate if others can add some clear sources without the political debate.

All these routes do not overlap with metro. If the above routes are close to future reality, then all the needless discussions and arguments were useless..

Let us focus on getting more info on the potential routes. These routes are excellant. I wish I could add few more. The one I was excited not to see on the mono list was Perambur-South Chennai link as it deserves a metro.

The one I am jittery about is that SPD-Chennai link should not eat into Mylapore-Poonamallee stretch of Phase II metro.

But are we the only people shouting from our rooftops about this?

Outside the Skyscrapercity forums, I have not seen anyone taking notice of this issue. Nothing mentioned in the newspapers (negative or positive) nor do I know of anything like this discussed in the TV, magazines or anything.

While occasionally, newspapers publish articles about bad infrastructure, I have not seen anything that discuss the merits / demerits of such proposals.

No one seems to have given much thought about this monorail / metro porposal in the Governor's speech (apart from one or two articles publishing the older maps).

If so, how is the Chief minister even going to know that at least some section of the populace is dissatisfied? And why is she going to feel any need of acting swiftly or cleverly?

cm can start by reading The Hindu and the comments section:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2074763.ece

cm can start by reading The Hindu and the comments section:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2074763.ece

Yes, everyone cares about the comments section of a newspaper ! What's the likelihood that the ones who posted their comments are not DMK supporters ?


I am also baffled by people giving pointers like it's a system tried only for short distances in Japan, US etc. It is a failure there, failure here blah blah !

Let me tell you something, US and Japan do not care about what other countries do. They just go about doing what they feel. That's the reason they have very successful and appealing cities !

Why is it that people expect India to take pointers from developed nations always ? Why don't people expect India to be a trendsetter rather ? Did China build a maglev consulting what's being done in US and Japan ?

Yes, everyone cares about the comments section of a newspaper ! What's the likelihood that the ones who posted their comments are not DMK supporters ?


I am also baffled by people giving pointers like it's a system tried only for short distances in Japan, US etc. It is a failure there, failure here blah blah !

Let me tell you something, US and Japan do not care about what other countries do. They just go about doing what they feel. That's the reason they have very successful and appealing cities !

Why is it that people expect India to take pointers from developed nations always ? Why don't people expect India to be a trendsetter rather ? Did China build a maglev consulting what's being done in US and Japan ?

What you said is absolutely true.

But in this specific case, even without looking at other systems in the world, there is a general opinion that we need a heavier system in place than the monorail. The people movement on our core city areas is very high and monorail will be overwhelmed by it.

But monorail as a feeder system will be so great. For example, a monorail into Ashok Nagar and K.K. nagar from the Pillar rail station or a monorail looping around the T.nagar area connecting Mambalam station, West Mambalam, T.Nagar Bus stand and Pondy Bazaar will be good. But having them in place of Future Metro lines is not a good option especially when our population is slated to cross 10 million soon.

^^Monorail is NOT good. Also, it will cause both metro and itself to flop as economies of scale can't be achieved with one metro company, one monorail company, one bus company, and one mrts company (railways). Almost 10000 buses can be bought with that monorail money. That can serve as more efficient feeder service.

I call for mods to put an end to political nonsense in threads. this aint ending then. frustration can be taken out in discussions or tn chaibar.

some of the comments are outright indecent, insensitive.

The levels are dropping way below standard.

Crossposting:


Hi. I was following all these mono vs metro fights and just wanted to do some research on the facts lying behind.

Before getting into facts, I just want to reiterate a fact that metro is not always passenger friendly. I have been in London tube umpteen times and don't ever think that its spacious or so.. Its so cramped, sometimes you could possibly suffocate during peak times.

And stations always have some kind of burnt smell and hot. You cant help it as its underground and you cannot provide 100% perfect ventilation systems. Not sure about other Metro systems like NY/NJ though. I felt travelling in Chennai suburban trains @ peak times to be lot better than using Tube at London.

I have not tried Monorail, so I cannot really comment on its flexibility. But here is some interesting facts which I have learnt..

* Capacity:

Chennai Metro rail(Crush load @ 4 rakes): 1276 (Source (http://chennaimetrorail.gov.in/release/pre11.pdf))

Mono rail(Crush load, assuming 5 rakes): 957 (Taken from Hitachi rail website for a large monorail type at crush load = 756 passengers, Source (http://www.hitachi-rail.com/products/monorail_system/system_capacity/large/index.html))

Points to be noted: Chennai metro's rakes can be increased till 6 and monorail's can be increased to 8.

* Frequency of operation

Chennai Metro: 3 minutes = 25520 pass/hour
Chennai Mono rail: 2 minutes (Peak possible @ 5 rakes) = 28710 pass/hour (I read somewhere that the frequency can be brought down upto 1.5 minutes, but I couldnt find that link again)


* Cost of building network:

Chennai Metro - Ranges from Rs.160 crore/km (for elevated) to Rs. 300 crore/km (for underground)
Chennai Monorail - Rs. 50 crores/km

This can be also read as: Instead of spending Rs. 250 crores for one km for a metro(approx for a mix of elevated and UG), we can spend that for 5 km of Mono.


* Operating costs:

Not so sure about both systems, but can be easily understood that monorail is cheap to run given its initial capital costs, comparatively small size and we will not necessarily require A/C as its fully elevated unlike metro which is partially underground etc.

But, the ticket prices will be cheap as well in monorail.

* Time for building the network:

Chennai Metro: 7 years(target) for 45 km network.

Monorail: 3-4 years for 100 km network. (Most of the monorail network, can be built using precast concrete elsewhere and can be easily assembled in a quick period of time, thus resulting in speedy completion of network)

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Monorail systems are relatively untried and new compared to metro, thats the reason why there is so much of fear regarding it.

There was a doubt even when Delhi metro was started that it will be a success. But it is a success(not sure about its revenue wise success though) today. And why cannot be a monorail be such a success in Chennai?

I am not a Metro opposer. Ofcourse I love metros and also its hard to stop metro construction at this time and current metro is covering the major spine of Chennai. But relatively congested areas will be well served by monorail IMHO. At the end of the day, we need a cheap and quick mode of transportation immediately and which can also be long term. Monorail could make it happen. Why not we remove our political hats and think from the economy and practicality point of view.?

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Vijay,

That just shows many people were overexpecting on govenors speech.
It is just a brief outline thats given in first day of any new assembly.
You will have to wait for first assembly and budget to know what you want to and get the complete picture.

As of now clear picture is there on two things.

1. tnla construction is stopped. judicial probe will go. we will have to wait for its terms of references and timeline. contractor will be cacelled. rightly needs to be. he will go to court, because i am sure it would have been executed in such a way that govt will find it tough to cancel contract if it wants. juducial probe has to back cancelling, contractor will challenge it.


2. on engg. universities issue.

remaining are all as per her campaign speeches.

Campaign speeches,manifesto mentioned that insurance scheme will scrapped and new proper insurance scheme will be introduced. housing scheme also is per campaign scheme and manifesto.

So lets wait for few more days to get complete picture. There is no need to panic.

^^

It is the timing and manner of announcement that has annoyed everyone.

Most of us have been eagerly awaiting the Metro and following its progress almost minute by minute.

And most of us almost expect Amma to start dismantling the previous regime policies.

Plus she has announced a one liner about monorail revival through Governor's speech without details. The speech also did not talk well about the Metro plan.

All of this combined led to this outpouring.

Had she waited a few months and given a detailed statement explaining the purpose of monorail and how it may complement the city's transport system, we would not be so angry. We would've boasted that Chennai is finally getting at least some "world's longest / largest ..." title.

It is all in perception management.

I don't understand why you're overreacting .

You yourself have mentioned wowhere was it mentioned metro project is going to be scrapped ! So why this kind of reaction ?

Please wait for some more time before passing judgments !

I found this wonderful piece of info from one of the leading monorail players of the world - Hitachi.

http://www.hitachi-rail.com/products/monorail_system/index.html

Seeing their capacity (http://www.hitachi-rail.com/products/monorail_system/system_capacity/loading/index.html), I am now convinced that most of the arguments metro vs mono seems to be based on our limited info.

Chennai deserves a good metro network. Also a good monorail network, can reduce the congestion off the roads. I think if the monorail players invited are of the calibre of Hitachi and also if maglev option is explored, it will be a healthy mix. (If and when SPD airport materializes, it would be excellant to have a maglev monorail btwn the two)

True transport enthusiasts will enjoy the above links.. Njoy.

^^ Thats the website from where I took many of the information for the post in which I compared metro and mono.. :) Its really a damn good site

Those numbers are 'per hour' numbers, not per train :bash:

^^ He meant only that!

Here are numbers per train:

Large type: http://www.hitachi-rail.com/products/monorail_system/system_capacity/large/index.html

For a 4-car train: Surely, we'll have Crush loads most of the time ...
Nominal 440 passengers (4 passengers/m2)
Full loaded 598 passengers (6 passengers/m2)
Crush loaded 756 passengers (8 passengers/m2)

Medium type: For cost purposes, Chennai Monorail may select this
http://www.hitachi-rail.com/products/monorail_system/system_capacity/standard/index.html

Nominal 390 passengers (4 passengers/m2)
Full loaded 522 passengers (6 passengers/m2)
Crush loaded 658 passengers (8 passengers/m2)


Someone like Abhi can chip with exact number of passengers Delhi Metro can squeeze in a 4-car but I guess it's about 1500 ...

^^ I hope you have missed this post: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=79150554&postcount=58

A 4 rake metro can hold 1276 passengers. All info has been in the link above.

Monorail or Metro Rail: the pros and cons

Ajai Sreevatsan

There are 20 monorail systems in Asia; Metro networks are in operation in 178 cities around the world

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NEW FACILITY COMING: Work on the Metro Rail in progress on Jawaharlal Nehru Road on Tuesday. The proposed monorail is expected to supplement this service.


http://www.hindu.com/2011/06/08/images/2011060863850302.jpg

CHENNAI: With the State government recently announcing a proposal to construct a crisscrossing network of monorail corridors in the city that would be 300 km in length, Chennai has been put on the road to having the largest and most extensive monorail network in the world. Even if only the 111-km-long Phase-I of the project materialises, it will dwarf all other monorail networks in the world.

There are fewer than 20 monorail systems in Asia, of which 10 are in Japan. The longest operational monorail line in the world is a 23.8-km corridor in Osaka. Even the Monorail Society, an international advocacy body, describes Chennai's plan as “ambitious” and “staggering”.

On the other hand, Metro networks are in operation in 178 cities around the world, with the largest being the 430-km-long Shanghai Metro.

A senior government official said that while construction on the 45-km Chennai Metro Rail will continue, expansion would be put on hold due to the “high cost.” A special purpose vehicle to implement the monorail project is likely to be set up shortly, he said.

Capacity to cost

Experts note that a monorail is usually confused with cable car, light rail or tramways. A monorail, in simple terms, is an electric-powered bus that runs on an elevated concrete beam. The Mumbai Monorail, which is the only such system that is currently under construction in India, is a four-car train, with a capacity of 140 passengers per car. The maximum capacity of the system is 10,000 passengers per hour per direction.

The capacity of a Metro system, which can accommodate up to nine cars, is about three to four times more. Thus, the capacity-to-cost ratio is better for a Metro system, even though the per kilometre construction cost is more.

A senior official of Scomi International, a Malaysian monorail manufacturer which is involved in the Mumbai project, says that it comes down to identifying the most economical solution for an expected passenger volume. “For cities that have a population of less than three million, monorail is the ideal mode of transport. For denser cities, monorail can ideally serve as the feeder line that brings passengers in and takes them out of the Metro network.”

He says that monorail corridors should be ideally 15 km to 30 km in length and run through “congested neighbourhoods with narrow roads” where high manoeuvrability would be required. Advocating the Kaula Lampur model, the official says that bus routes inside the city could be replaced by monorail corridors. “The buses can then be used in suburban areas to feed the monorail network. This will also give more space for private vehicles on city roads.”

N.S. Srinivasan, a former Director of the National Transportation Planning and Research Centre, says that a monorail system is best suited for feeding suburban areas. “It can be built very quickly and can extend into outer areas such as Porur, Sriperumbudur and Ambattur. Monorail is ideal for building a regional network. But within the city, the system will reach its capacity very fast.”

He says that a sustainable urbanisation strategy must involve dispersal of the population away from the city core and the dream of extending mass rapid systems such as suburban rail and Metro Rail into outer areas is just not economical. “Revenue from mass rapid systems can meet only recurring cost. The capital cost has to be written off. Monorail is much better when you are looking at a solution not just for the city, but also its rapidly expanding suburbs.”

However, advocates of bus rapid transit systems, such as Dinesh Mohan of IIT-Delhi, say that if cost is a major criterion, then upgrading bus networks is the best option. “Building a dedicated bus lane costs just Rs.10 crore per km. There can be a bus station every 400-500 metres, thereby ensuring the largest area of coverage among any transit system.”

For example, the Delhi Metro, despite its reach, accounts for only five per cent of the daily trips undertaken in the national capital due to the 1-km distance between each station. Mr. Mohan adds that cities must concentrate on creating pedestrian footpaths and cycle tracks, which can be built at less than Rs.1 lakh per km and would benefit a wider section of the population.

http://www.hindu.com/2011/06/08/stories/2011060863850300.htm

^^

140crores per KM for monorail is very huge. If that is the case then metro should be opted. :nuts:

But i guess there is some flaw in above stats.

What is the cost of Mumbai monorail per KM?

^ the London metro is one of the oldest.. the delhi metro has no such suffocation as mentioned above!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/news/story/2011/06/110612_chennairail.shtml

சென்னைக்கு உகந்தது மெட்ரோ ரயிலா, மோனோ ரயிலா என்ற விவாதம் சூடு பிடித்துள்ளது.

தமிழகத் தலைநகர் சென்னையின் போக்குவரத்து நெரிசலைச் சமாளிக்க திமுக அரசு கொண்டு வந்த மெட்ரோ ரயில் திட்டத்தை முதல் கட்டத்தோடு முடக்கிவிட்டு 300 கிலோ மீட்டர் தொலைவு மோனோ ரயில் திட்டத்தை அமல்படுத்தப் போவதாக அதிமுக அரசு அறிவித்துள்ளது.

சென்னையில் மெட்ரோ ரயில் போக்குவரத்து முறைமையை அமைக்கும் திட்டத்தின் கீழ் ஏற்கனவே சுமார் 45 கிலோமீட்டர் தூரத்துக்கு மெட்ரோ திட்டப் பணிகள் நடைபெற்றுவருகின்றன.

இதற்காக பல நூறு கோடி ரூபாய் பணம் செலவிடப்பட்டுள்ளது. இந்தப் பணிகளை முடிக்க 18 ஆயிரம் கோடி ரூபாய்க்கும் மேல் செலவாகும் என்று கணிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.

ஐப்பானிய கடன் உதவியோடு செயற்படுத்தப்படும் இத்திட்டம் 2016 ஆம் ஆண்டுவாக்கில்தான் செயற்பாட்டுக்கு வரும்.

மெட்ரோ ரயிலுக்கு மக்களிடம் எந்த அளவுக்கு வரவேற்பு உள்ளது, அதில் எந்த அளவுக்கு வருமானம் கிடைக்கிறது என்பதைப் பொறுத்து இத்திட்டதை படிப்படியாக விரிவுபடுத்த முந்தைய திமுக அரசு உத்தேசித்திருந்தது.

ஆனால் புதிதாக பொறுப்பேற்றுள்ள அதிமுக அரசு மெட்ரோ ரயில் திட்டத்தை அப்படியோ கிடப்பில் போட்டு விட்டு மோனோ ரயில் என்ற ஒற்றை தண்டவாளத்தின் மீது செல்லும் ரயில் திட்டத்தை செயல்படுத்த முனைந்துள்ளது.

இந்த நிலையில் மெட்ரோ ரயில் திட்டத்தை பாதியில் கைவிட்டது தவறு - மோனோ ரயில் திட்டம் உலகில் எந்த நாட்டிலுமே முக்கியப் போக்குவரத்தாக இல்லாத நிலையில் இது போன்ற முடிவை தமிழக அரசு எடுத்தது தவறானது என்பவை போன்ற விமர்சனங்கள் எழுந்துள்ளன. இது குறித்து சுவாமிநாதன் அளிக்கும் குறிப்பை இன்றைய நிகழ்ச்சியில் கேட்கலாம்.

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Translation: ADMK's Monorail plan is retarded, substantiated by the fact that no city in the world has a monorail network.

^^

140crores per KM for monorail is very huge. If that is the case then metro should be opted. :nuts:

Idhu yenna namakku pudhusaa boss??? the reason is not the few extra crores...but its amma who would like to see these beautiful toys crawling a few meters above the city roads...

^^

140crores per KM for monorail is very huge. If that is the case then metro should be opted. :nuts:

But i guess there is some flaw in above stats.

What is the cost of Mumbai monorail per KM?

This seems to be a tough question, a 2008 report (http://www.exchange4projects.com/RAIL/now-mumbai-too-can-boast-of-monorail) in Exchange for projects quotes the per km cost as Rs 65-70 cr where as a DNA (http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_monorail-rakes-ready-so-is-master-plan_1368683)news in 2010 quotes the per km cost as Rs 125cr . :nuts:

It looks like 3 -4 rakes will be used depending on the route.

Can anybody get the details on the life cycle of the Mono Rail Driving Units?

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa today urged the Centre to extend financial assistance for implementing the Mono Rail Project to improve the overall transportation system in Chennai city.

In a memorandum to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in New Delhi, copies of which were released to the media here, she sought the assistance under the National Urban Transport Policy which seeks to provide an efficient, affordable and sustainable transportation system to Urban India.

''In the first phase, 111 Kms will be covered. Overall 300 kms will be covered under Mono Rail in a phased manner'', she added. Observing Mono Rail was capital intensive but environment-friendly project of the State Government, she said the first phase of 111 Kms would be completed in the next two years at a rough cost of Rs 16,650 crore (at the rate of Rs 150 crore per Km).

She said increasing urban population coupled with economic activities and increased city size have led to a rapid growth in urban travel demand in Chennai. ''The Chennai Metropolitan Area (CMA) is expected to grow into a mega city with a population of more than 10 million people in the next 10 years'', she pointed out.

She said to improve the overall Urban Transportation System in Chennai, the modal share of public transport has to be increased from the present level of 27 per cent. ''The government has accordingly declared its intention to increase the share of public transportation to 46 per cent by 2026. "To achieve this, the State Government has decided to implement the Mono Rail Project in Chennai to integrate with the existing transportation system," she said.

src: http://news.chennaionline.com/newsitem.aspx?NEWSID=9a9b4d86-3ba9-45ae-b00c-97b36b0132af&CATEGORYNAME=CHN

Since we have qns on cost-,time of completion,capacity few articles for estimation

from sao paulo to be done in time for 2014 fifa wc

29/9/2010

Canadian company Bombardier, largest train manufacturer in the world, signed yesterday its first large contract in Brazil: will supply 54 trains – or 378 cars – for the first monorail of São Paulo, Expresso Tiradentes. The cars, signaling, and electrical systems will cost R$ 1.4 billion of the R$ 2.46 billions of the contract – the remainder is civil works.

Up till now, the largest business of the Canadian company was the repair of 156 cars for Metrô de São Paulo, for R$ 238 millions, signed in 2009. With the contract, Bombardier is still behind Spanish company CAF, which signed since 2007 orders of R$ 3.6 billions for the paulista government, totaling 101 trains – or 774 cars. Bu the Canadian exceeds French company Alstom, traditional supplier of the paulista metropolitan network, who since 2007 supplied 24 trains – or 144 cars. In figures, the order sums up to approximately R$ 600 millions.

To manufacture the monorail, Bombardier shall use its 10,000-m² facilities in Hortolândia. According to Luís Ramos, communication director of the multi-national company, the Brazilian unit shall become a Bombardier monorail competence center, that is, a possible exportation platform.

The vision of the Company is that the monorail, with costs and construction time equivalent to half those of metro, is ideal for cities with great expansion rhythm. São Paulo cannot wait eight years to have a new metro line, he says.

In the country, the company also participates of the bidding for the monorail of Manaus – currently suspended – and is interested in projects being studied for Recife, Fortaleza, and Belo Horizonte. The Company also wishes to supply more for Metrô de São Paulo, with two more monorail projects under development.

Te product supplied to São Paulo will be the monorail with the highest capacity in the world – a new project for Bombardier. The capacity of the product used in Expresso Tiradentes will be 40,000 passengers/hour in each direction, being able to reach 48,000 passengers/hour. The capacity of the last monorail recently supplied by Bombardier, to Saudi Arabia is 20,000 passengers/hour.

The Bombardier consortium, consisting of Queiroz Galvão and OAS, has beaten the group created by Hitachi, Odebrecht, Camargo Corrêa, and Mitsubishi, which made an offer of R$ 2.98 billions. Two other consortiums were disqualified due to technical reasons.

Also check this site of trnaglobim the agaency for najaf, enugu monorails.

http://www.globim.com/monorail.html

besides this forum, wiki on mumbai mono too has costs,timeframe,km of mumbais 8 lines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Monorail

twM-_4-KGWs

Chief minister Jayalalithaa on Tuesday presented Prime Minister Manmohan Singh with a detailed memorandum, complete with requests for grants, assistance and funds that total about 2,45,000 crore. The projects she sought help with range from benefits for the fisheries sector and interlinking of rivers to providing laptops to students and pensions.
Improving transportation and infrastructure in Chennai are high on her list as she’s sought close to 40,000 crore for various projects, including reviving the monorail to strengthening drainage and road networks.
Decongesting roads and improving transport systems are on her agenda as Jayalalithaa’s memorandum says she plans to complete the first phase of the monorail project in two years. She’s sought assistance from the Centre under the National Urban Transport Policy to implement the first phase of 111km at a cost of roughly 16,650 crore, which works out to 150 crore per km.
Jayalalithaa had decided on the 300 km-long mono rail project during her previous term as chief minister. Her memorandum says the project is capital intensive but environment-friendly and is in line with the state’s goal to increase the share of public transportation from the current 27% to 46% by 2026.
Traffic and transportation experts say the intention is good as the city lacks adequate public transport but say the two-year deadline is rather ambitious. “It will take about a year to draw up the plans properly as only feasibility reports have been done so far. So four years is a more realistic completion date but the mono rail is a necessity,” says one expert.
Others say the system will be an effective feeder service for existing bus networks and the Metro Rail which is under construction. “The mono rail can serve the suburbs well as it has great flexibility. Chennai needs different modes of transport which can be inter-connected seamlessly,” says K P Subramanian, former professor of urban engineering, Anna University.
It is also faster and easier to construct. “The mono rail is quick to construct and does not affect existing infrastructure. Unlike a bus rapid transport system or Metro Rail, you don’t have to acquire land or widen roads as the mono rail can be constructed along the medians of roads,” says transportation engineer and planner Mark Selvaraj of Landtech Engineers.
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http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2011/06/15&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00200&ViewMode=HTML

Since we have qns on cost-,time of completion,capacity few articles for estimation

from sao paulo to be done in time for 2014 fifa wc

Its not about cost. Sao Paulo already has an efficient metro system.

twM-_4-KGWs

Really nice models from Bombardier. From what he said, looks like the capacity of the new model is higher. They also appear to be faster.

So, now that our CM is firm on Monorail, I hope she atleast selects a nice futuristic model that will carry maximum number of people at a greater speed.

^^lol...all that looks modern doesn't mean its good. You have picked only the good points. They are building it somewhere equivalent to sriperumbudur and it is a single line/extension. And the city of Sao Paulo already has an eficient metro system. Monorail should never be built inside a city. If the retarded lady starts building monorail in Chennai....Jaipur, Kochi would get bullock carts on a comparative basis.

efficient/extensive metro at sao paulo is just 71KM and commuter rail system is comparable to Chennai suburban!!

Phase I of Metro is 45KM, phase II will surely kick off and no one can stop it.

Just be happy that along with metro works, monorail works also going to start!

Sao Paulo metro pop is 2crores compared to 1.25crores of Chennai+Kanchi+Thiruvallur dt.

Since we have qns on cost-,time of completion,capacity few articles for estimation

from sao paulo to be done in time for 2014 fifa wc

That is interesting! But again the cost of these higher capacity monorail rakes should be on par with metro.

efficient/extensive metro at sao paulo is just 71KM and commuter rail system is comparable to Chennai suburban!!

Phase I of Metro is 45KM, phase II will surely kick off and no one can stop it.

Just be happy that along with metro works, monorail works also going to start!

Sao Paulo metro pop is 2crores compared to 1.25crores of Chennai+Kanchi+Thiruvallur dt.


is there any surity that this monorail wouldn't end up like mrts? Wasn't everyone happy when mrts opened? Who in the world builds a monorail network in the middle of a megacity?

By efficient transport, I mean proper interchanges and many lines, not random transport like 1 suburban line, 1 mrts line, 1 monorail, 1 metro line, etc. in a haphazard manner to increase the no. of km's.

Isn't monorail instead of phase 2?

is there any surity that this monorail wouldn't end up like mrts? Wasn't everyone happy when mrts opened? Who in the world builds a monorail network in the middle of a megacity?

By efficient transport, I mean proper interchanges and many lines, not random transport like 1 suburban line, 1 mrts line, 1 monorail, 1 metro line, etc. in a haphazard manner to increase the no. of km's.

Isn't monorail instead of phase 2? .

Stop comparing Monorail or Metrorail with Indian railways owned/operated/built MRTS system... If Indian railways pokes its nose into Monorail or metrorail or even Shanghai like Maglev it will become like Chennai MRTS! None of the state government will commit suicide giving its rapid transport projects to organization like Indian railways!

If you want that type of efficient transport network, then we should have not opted for Corridor II metro! It should have been MRTS running all the way to Ponneri via St.Mt, IRR, Madhavaram etc., as planned in CMDA master plan.

Let us wait for Monorail routes! 111KM no one can build it in 5yrs! It will be most likely 30-40KM and mostly it will be in suburban routes like IT Corridor, Sriperumbudur, Porur/Ponamallae, North Chennai etc., and not at the cost of phase 2 metro.

Bono, I would also ideally have single seamlessly connected network, but the reality is very different.

Here is a link that gives a brief about monorail with a historic perspective.
http://www.scomirail.com.my/monorail.htm

Mono per se is not a bad choice and your argument it should not be built in dense city core is exactly the reason why it should be built (Unless we can invest in more expensive underground metro's). Think North Chennai as an example.

CMDA had put monorail as a part of the mixed bag it was advocating even a decade ago.

The real success of the Chennai mono will depend amongst other factors :
- Routes selected
- CUMTA
- Ease of access (to stations, parking etc)
- Design chosen (See above link on the three common models - Wish they chose Maglev..)
- Rake #s and capacity, besides speed
- Interconnectedness with other systems including Metro, SR, buses

Sometimes due to our emotions (for or against), we see the entire world as white or black, but in real life, not all is like digital.. we see more like analog... shades of grey.

MRTS failed primarily because the politicians chose the easy way out (not acquiring private properties or relocating slums). Hence we have it on a drain and most stations in the vicinity of slums

^^ That is the crux with MRTS. Had the land acquisition been done with vision, it would be a boon now. Even now, with the missing link to Mount in place, patronage will be totally transformed.

Not everything associated with IR is bad. The Beach - TBM suburban link is in fact very good. I doubt the Metro can hold a candle to it in terms of speed or capacity. I wish the lay two more tracks between TBM - Chengalpet and increase the services in that sector.

MRTS failed primarily because the politicians chose the easy way out (not acquiring private properties or relocating slums). Hence we have it on a drain and most stations in the vicinity of slums

MRTS is not failed one!

It carries more than 90,000 passengers daily. It is grossly under utilized to Indian standard (jam crowd) because of the missing link in the south.

MRTS will cross 2lakh commuters per day once St.Thomas mt link is established. Railways and its babus can only blamed not the state government.... since they are building the line in a speed of 1m per year!!

Last link will cut of the off the load on 21G and T51, C51 MTC buses! Please wait till 2016.:nuts:

^^ That is the crux with MRTS. Had the land acquisition been done with vision, it would be a boon now. Even now, with the missing link to Mount in place, patronage will be totally transformed.

Not everything associated with IR is bad. The Beach - TBM suburban link is in fact very good. I doubt the Metro can hold a candle to it in terms of speed or capacity. I wish the lay two more tracks between TBM - Chengalpet and increase the services in that sector.

Beach-Tambaram suburban system was built by British and not by Indian railways after independence.

Indeed everything associated with IR is bad except Palace on wheels like trains.

MRTS failed primarily because the politicians chose the easy way out (not acquiring private properties or relocating slums). Hence we have it on a drain and most stations in the vicinity of slums

MRTS failed not because it is on a drain. It failed because of letting the 'drain' continue being a 'drain'.

The MRTS route is excellent - right within the city, connecting the north and the south.

But its planning and the planning of the areas around it is bad.

Direct Connectivity to Central station (walkways, underground paths etc)
Re-Development of the Slums along the route and using that space for low cost subsidized / affordable housing. Makes the places safer too.
Providing feeder services in the form of mini buses from surrounding localities
Cleaning the canal and make it a clean flowing waterway.
and most of all, completing all the stations on time and utlizing the enormous space for 'park & Ride' facilities and commercial ventures - benefitting not only railways, but also the neighbourhood


If they had done all these things, then the route through the dense parts of the city accomplished without much land acquisition would look like a master strategy.

Everything is done in an isolated manner in our city. 'INTEGRATION' is the keyword that seems to have completely dropped out of their dictionary.

what??? 2 years!!! :nuts:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703567404576292914218923744.html

The train of the future may be turning a corner—but you'll have to look up to see it.

Long hailed as a model for future public-transportation systems, monorails in reality have been largely written off as theme-park attractions—too slow and too small to serve as urban transit systems.

Now the elevated single-track trains are getting a fresh look as big cities in emerging economies seek out quick, low-cost solutions to mobility bottlenecks. An almost 12-mile, 18-station line has been operating in Chongqing, China, since 2005, and monorail systems are under construction in places such as Mumbai, India; Riyadh, Saudi Arabia; Daegu, South Korea; and São Paulo, Brazil. At least a dozen other projects are under consideration around the world.

These efforts, some say, may test whether monorail technology can live down its reputation and win over critics, who remain skeptical that monorails are suitable for urban mass transit.

"Monorail is an open-ended question", says George Haikalis, who runs the Institute for Rational Urban Mobility, a New York-based nonprofit focused on transportation reform. So far, he says, "the evidence is that it is not a substitute for conventional railroad," at least when it comes to carrying large numbers of passengers.

'Desperate for Mobility'

Although monorails have been around since the 19th century, they have mainly been short-line systems, limited to moving visitors around amusement parks or between airport terminals. Probably the most high-profile system is the one at Walt Disney World in Florida, which opened in 1971; on a typical day it carries more than 150,000 visitors around the resort and theme-park complex.

Japan is the exception. Since the mid-1950s it has relied on monorails to carry commuters in big cities such as Tokyo and Osaka, which has the longest monorail line in the world, with 17 miles connecting the city's airport to 17 other stations.

Despite Japan's experience, a perception has persisted that monorail is unproven in a mass-transit setting, says Kim Pedersen, who heads the Monorail Society, an organization that gathers data and promotes use of the technology. Also stalling monorail's growth have been concerns about evacuating stranded passengers from overhead trains and a belief that elevated structures spoil urban landscapes.

São Paulo, the largest city in South America, has 11 million residents but only 71 kilometers, or about 44 miles, of subway lines, carrying an average of 3.6 million passengers a day. While other modes of transportation also are being expanded in São Paulo, city officials are promoting the planned monorail as the cheapest and fastest way to relieve transportation jams.

"São Paulo is desperate for mobility", says Sérgio Avelleda, chairman of state transportation agency Cia. do Metropolitano de São Paulo—Metrô. He says monorail eliminates the extra work and costs involved in digging tunnels. The elevated track, using prefabricated concrete, can run over the center of existing avenues or boulevards, reducing expropriation costs. He also says monorail is the least intrusive and safest option for the region's level of demand.

Visually Damaging?

Bombardier Inc., the Canadian train and plane maker, was part of the consortium that last year won a contract valued at 2.46 billion Brazilian reais, or about $1.44 billion, to build the first 14.9-mile line, which will have 17 stations and feature 54 seven-car trains. Planners estimate the line, which will connect several low-income neighborhoods to existing subway service, will draw an average of 40,000 commuters per hour, per direction. It is scheduled to open in 2014.

An 11-mile, 18-station line is planned to connect the Congonhas airport—a busy domestic hub just a few miles from São Paulo's center—to the subway and the Morumbi soccer stadium. Bidding on that route is under way and the winner should be announced this month, says Mr. Avelleda. Signing of the contract may be delayed, however, because residents from an affected neighborhood sued the state government and won an injunction, which is being appealed.

Júlia Titz de Rezende, chairwoman of a community group that opposes the monorails, says the elevated track will be visually damaging to the landscape and potentially noisy, and that "it would be difficult to rescue passengers if there was any problem on the high-up tracks."

Monorail makers such as Bombardier and the industry's leader, Japan's Hitachi Ltd., say today's monorails are quieter and have less vibration than earlier models. Some of the new trains also are lighter, meaning elevated structures don't have to be as bulky and block less natural light than previous designs. And the São Paulo system will be built with evacuation walks between tracks, says Bombardier.

Still, critics say elevated train stations can't go unnoticed and are big enough to worsen already crowded urban landscapes.

In the end, cost may be a leading factor in favor of monorail, some in the industry say. Eran Gartner, president of the transportation division of Bombardier, which also is a major provider of other train systems, says subways can cost roughly 50% more than monorails to build, depending on location.

Bono, I would also ideally have single seamlessly connected network, but the reality is very different.

Here is a link that gives a brief about monorail with a historic perspective.
http://www.scomirail.com.my/monorail.htm

Mono per se is not a bad choice and your argument it should not be built in dense city core is exactly the reason why it should be built (Unless we can invest in more expensive underground metro's). Think North Chennai as an example.

CMDA had put monorail as a part of the mixed bag it was advocating even a decade ago.

The real success of the Chennai mono will depend amongst other factors :
- Routes selected
- CUMTA
- Ease of access (to stations, parking etc)
- Design chosen (See above link on the three common models - Wish they chose Maglev..)
- Rake #s and capacity, besides speed
- Interconnectedness with other systems including Metro, SR, buses

Sometimes due to our emotions (for or against), we see the entire world as white or black, but in real life, not all is like digital.. we see more like analog... shades of grey.

First, it is very difficult to integrate with other rail and make interchanges on a monorail.

Secondly, it makes zero sense to build a monorail claiming it to be a feeder network before even completing all the main lines, including phase 2 & 3(metro).

Third, India is a poor and dysfunctional country. You cannot/ are not allowed to demolish the monorail even when traffic reaches alarming levels. Have you seen the metro at Japan in youtube videos, where police officers push everyone into it? If thats the case for a metro, imagine it for a monorail. If each government starts building its own form of public transport, Chennai would eventually have the largest number of lines with zilch passengers.

Fourth, one cannot think of fitting 10 coaches/rakes and say monorail has better capacity than metro, and build a 1 km long station for that.

Fifth, whats the use of a monorail if it has the speed of a bus? Also Chennai doesn't have any major traffic jams.

Sixth, Even overhead monorail takes up space, just that it takes less space compared to a metro, it also requires land acquisitions, etc.

If one doesn't have money to build another metro line, WAIT till you have, and buy 500 buses instead of wasting public money on monorail simply to make a name for oneself.

So, I don't want monorail at all. Also, maglev and all are utter failures.

Beach-Tambaram suburban system was built by British and not by Indian railways after independence.


Did the British also convert it to BG seamlessly and enlarge the stations, within a matter of months? Are they still operating it, by any chance?

Did the British also convert it to BG seamlessly and enlarge the stations, within a matter of months? Are they still operating it, by any chance?

3 months was taken for GC because 2-3yrs works were going on strengthening of bridges, culverts etc.,

I hope we are talking about creating new infrastructure and not about operation which is equal to IR/SR's policy of "kundu satiyala kuthirai otturathu"

If britishers have not created a strong railway network, we will be still w/o railways lines in many towns and cities in the country. Even the EMU cars were of same design of britishers which was running before independence. FYKI very few KM of tracks were newly built after independence in TN, nearly 90% of tracks route length well before 1947. This is the case with rest of the India.

Any new projects or infra of railways will have its own records! 18KM doubling takes 12yrs, 81KM new line takes 15yrs etc., 25KM MRTS for 25yrs! thats why I said IR is the worst organization to hand over a project and none of the gvt will commit that suicide.

efficient/extensive metro at sao paulo is just 71KM and commuter rail system is comparable to Chennai suburban!!

Phase I of Metro is 45KM, phase II will surely kick off and no one can stop it.

Just be happy that along with metro works, monorail works also going to start!

Sao Paulo metro pop is 2crores compared to 1.25crores of Chennai+Kanchi+Thiruvallur dt.



That is interesting! But again the cost of these higher capacity monorail rakes should be on par with metro.

Yes both Metro and Mono Rail system should be built.. work on metro should not be stopped because of Mono rail system..

First, it is very difficult to integrate with other rail and make interchanges on a monorail. .

Why do you feel so. Do autos integrate with trains.. if yes, mono will act the same way.

Secondly, it makes zero sense to build a monorail claiming it to be a feeder network before even completing all the main lines, including phase 2 & 3(metro). Shows again that the fat egotist lady wants to inaugrate/claim ownership of the monorail as it can be easily constructed than a metro, and wants everyone to think 'waaw, see fat lady has changed Chennai a lot. I am going to vote admk again.', all this because people only have short term sight as evident in this years elections..

I think the above is more a personal rant than any point. At this point since Mono routes have not been clearly announced, so the above rant is just your personal vent for your feelings.


Third, India is a poor and dysfunctional country. You cannot/ are not allowed to demolish the monorail even when traffic reaches alarming levels. Have you seen the metro at Japan in youtube videos, where police officers push everyone into it? If thats the case for a metro, imagine it for a monorail. If each government starts building its own form of public transport, Chennai would eventually have the largest number of lines with zilch passengers. .

I think you are pushing your frustrations and expectations to be stereotypic.


Fourth, one cannot think of fitting 10 coaches/rakes and say monorail has better capacity than metro, and build a 1 km long station for that. .

Bono.. relax.. Mono's mail strength is to be in and out of congested areas. As I keep repeating, the routes are not yet announced, so your criticism is overboard.


Fifth, whats the use of a monorail if it has the speed of a bus? Also Chennai doesn't have any major traffic jams. .

My friend, if the stations are too close or too many, do the speed make super big difference. But again you are not factual here. Chennai has one of the worst speeds in the country/world.. like 20 kmph.. So 40 kmph will be like a super blessing. mind you that has no traffic jams.

Sixth, Even overhead monorail takes up space, just that it takes less space compared to a metro, it also requires land acquisitions, etc.

If one doesn't have money to build another metro line, WAIT till you have, and buy 500 buses instead of wasting public money on monorail simply to make a name for oneself. .

Your bus suggestion is really redundant. Tell me how many buses can you add from imagine any two points in the city.. Take Avadi/Ambattur to Parrys or Tambaram. Think North Chennai my friend, not all roads are like IT corridor. The road infrastructure is already bursting at its seams.. Not saying dont add buses, but that alone will not fix the issue.

Mono per se is not evil as you keep arguing. It should be part of the mix. Why did Mumbai go in for Mono, when they have excellant bus/train networks besides upcoming metro.. CMDA itself had recommended two mono networks as a part of its Master Plan.

I think if you give up your strong anti-mono feelings and start viewing neutrally, you can relate to most of the points. Having said that, I definitely want a much bigger metro network. Mono should be complimentary to Metro / SR, not a competition.

So, I don't want monorail at all. Also, maglev and all are utter failures.

THis only exposes your hardened prejudiced notion. Just suggest as a friend to always have an open view.. remember the tall oak cracks while the grass bends and survives hard winds.

Why do you feel so. Do autos integrate with trains.. if yes, mono will act the same way.



I think the above is more a personal rant than any point. At this point since Mono routes have not been clearly announced, so the above rant is just your personal vent for your feelings.



I think you are pushing your frustrations and expectations to be stereotypic.



Bono.. relax.. Mono's mail strength is to be in and out of congested areas. As I keep repeating, the routes are not yet announced, so your criticism is overboard.



My friend, if the stations are too close or too many, do the speed make super big difference. But again you are not factual here. Chennai has one of the worst speeds in the country/world.. like 20 kmph.. So 40 kmph will be like a super blessing. mind you that has no traffic jams.



Your bus suggestion is really redundant. Tell me how many buses can you add from imagine any two points in the city.. Take Avadi/Ambattur to Parrys or Tambaram. Think North Chennai my friend, not all roads are like IT corridor. The road infrastructure is already bursting at its seams.. Not saying dont add buses, but that alone will not fix the issue.

Mono per se is not evil as you keep arguing. It should be part of the mix. Why did Mumbai go in for Mono, when they have excellant bus/train networks besides upcoming metro.. CMDA itself had recommended two mono networks as a part of its Master Plan.

I think if you give up your strong anti-mono feelings and start viewing neutrally, you can relate to most of the points. Having said that, I definitely want a much bigger metro network. Mono should be complimentary to Metro / SR, not a competition.



THis only exposes your hardened prejudiced notion. Just suggest as a friend to always have an open view.. remember the tall oak cracks while the grass bends and survives hard winds.

All my arguments are based on this old map. Monorail should not even come at a 25 km radius from Egmore. Someone who proposes such a ridiculous map isn't going to change much after 5 years.

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00648/TH04_Mono_Rail_eps_648810e.jpg

Maglev is a failure as the cost is very high for such a small distance.

Ok, point to point buses can't be implemented for all the routes. So, are there there going to be point to point monorails? A monorail CAN'T replace a bus. Much much better to build an underground metro than a monorail. A monorail can't pass through most of the areas in north chennai unlike a bus. Underground metro can go anywhere, so its better to wait if theres no money.

The top speed difference between metro and monorail is about 40kmph which probably saves 20 odd mins on a route between central and tambaram and this is a very HUGE factor. Its much slower than even a suburban train.

One should plan for the future, but the fat lady wants to earn brownie points at the end of her term.

I'm in for monorail as long as it functions independently and doesn't interfere with CMRL's expansion plans.

Where did the Japanese ambassador tell to drop monorail plans ?

He just said to carry on with metro rail plans , he never mentioned about dropping mono rail !

Geez ! Wait for a detailed project report and don't believe the old map. That map was released in 2005 when Metro was not planned. A lot of changes will take place eventually !

Mono or Metro

Most of us, the aware citizens, exercise dutifully our franchise whenever elections are held, and vote massively in favour of a change, hoping that the new government makes beneficial changes. And that only after dissemination of information, dialogue, discourse and even informed dissent as befitting a mature and enlightened democracy. But what we witness today is disruption, dismantling, demolition, or an attempt to throw out of the window the bath tub and the baby just because something was initiated by the predecessor government.

If only this TGV- (Train a Grand Vitesse)like speed is the standard the new government has set for itself in reforms, particularly in bringing to the people services without elements of a patronising culture and executing infrastructure projects ahead of schedule, then there is no doubt that Tamil Nadu will be numero uno in India in the near future.

However, a doubt arises regarding the interface of aspirations of an elected government and the advice of the permanent bureaucracy. Even if many projects in infrastructure, office space, education and health are not exactly to the liking of the new dispensation, surely they were prepared by competent bureaucrats after thinking through and writing elaborate internal notes and power point presentations. Why is it that our corps of “neutral” officers, even if not individually but collectively is not able to prevent costly disruptions and new misadventures at the whims of the new government?

THE MRTS EXPERIENCE

Be that as it may. Highly qualified town planners, experts in urban economics, aces in transportation had been engaged for decades in debate over the issue of the right mode and mix of mass transit for the exponential increase in requirements for Chennai. It was thought MRTS (Mass Rail Transport System) would be an answer or at least a partially. MRTS was and remains an eternal WIP (Work In Progress). Of course, when it was planned in the eighties no one may have foreseen that the entire landscape would change with the advent of IT industry and services and rapid urbanisation. In a recent article in the New York Times about the chaos called Gurgoan near Delhi, it was pointed out that the meagre administration in Haryana could not cope with the lightning speed with which private industry, office space and transport requirements grew phenomenally. . At least Gurgaon has an excuse that the only officer posted to look after its development till 1990s was a Commissioner of Industrial Development in Haryana. Chennai grew right under the nose of powerful Chief Ministers.

TRAVAILS CONTINUE

For over two decades, all we had was seminars, newspaper articles highlighting commuters' travails in the form of foot board travellers, strap hanging rail commuters and parlous obstacles for pedestrians. With the success of the Delhi Metro there appeared to be some hope of replicating the model here. The hapless citizens were informed that a 45-km Metro would be constructed with Japanese assistance to be operational from 2013 and fully ready from 2015. There are always arguments about the relative merits of various mass transit systems: Metro Rail, Mono rail, Rapid Bus Corridors and so on.

To the limited knowledge of the author and his stay and visits abroad it appears the Metro is a clear choice for the teeming and dense population such as Chennai. It is reported that the new government is having a rapid rethink on Metro to supplant or supplement by Mono rail. In the end, should we blame electoral democracy for our uncertain destiny?

(The author is a former Member, Ordnance Factories Board.)

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/article2110230.ece

Buses and autos pave way to monorail

CHENNAI: Acclaiming the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa’s vision behind adopting the Mono Rail Project in Chennai, Kanesan Vellupillai, President of Scomi International Private Limited, Malaysia, said that her policy to increase the public transportation from 27 per cent to 42 per cent by 2026 by implementing the Mono Rail project would help reduce the traffic congestion in Chennai to a great extent.

It is a good system to improve the overall Urban Transportation, especially in a scenario where urban travel is increasing at rapid speed with the increase in population.

Scomi International Private Limited based in Malaysian has been implementing the Mono Rail project in Mumbai. Speaking to City Express over phone on the advantages of adopting the Mono Rail system in Chennai, Kanesan Vellupillai said that it was the best system to navigate over congested traffic places in any metro city with minimal land acquisition and displacement of people. Arguing his case, Kanesan gave the example of the congested route between Guindy and any other point on Anna Salai inside the city. After people from the suburbs get down at Guindy to go to any point on Anna Salai, a single mono train with four cars can carry 560 passengers with each car having 140- passenger capacity. The cars have been designed to accommodate seven passengers per square metre, Kanesan added.

Outlining its benefits, he said that a single mono train can displace at least 17 to 18 MTC buses from a single route. Moreover, for every three minutes, a mono train can be run on a single direction. This means that 20 units can be operated on a single route in an hour and vice-versa, added Kanesan.

The beams were constructed in such a way, one beam will carry the train moving in one direction, the other beam will carry the train moving in opposite direction, said S Selvaraja Chinnasamy, Head of the Business Development, India, Scomi.

Selvaraja also said that the mono rail can attach up to six cars, which means that in one hour duration, the rail can transport 16,800 passengers in six cars.

When asked about the land acquisition and displacement, he said that there was no need to look for the separate land for building the mono rail system. The beams which have a maximum breadth of one metre can even rise from the centre median of a road, said Selvaraja adding that it would also not affect the traffic flow on the roads. “We occupy only space in the air even for the construction of stations.

So, no question of displacement arises in this project,” he said adding that in Mumbai, the Government has acquired only five per cent of land for the project that was encroached upon by the people.

When asked about the feasibility of the AIADMK Government’s proposal to complete 111 kilometres of the proposed 300 kilometres in the next two years at a cost of `150 crore per kilometre, Kanesan said that the estimated cost was an ideal price as per Indian market rates.

However, he said that it would take at least three years to complete the project. “Whether it is laying monorail for 20km like we do in Mumbai or 300km proposed in Chennai, the time consumed is same for both the projects.:lol:

It all depends upon the planning for the implementation of the project.

The Government can initiate work at five places simultaneously after having a proper consultation with the traffic police,” said Kanesan.

When asked whether Mono Rail was better than Metro Rail for Chennai, Selvaraja said that in metro cities, both the systems were necessary. Metro and sub-urban trains should be designed to bring the population from sub-urban areas into the core area of the city. The monorail could be used to transport the people within the city’s congested areas.

On the other hand, buses and autos should act as feeder to transport passengers from both the Mono and Metro Rail stations to their destinations, he said adding that in Chennai, which has population not more than 10 million, the Mono Rail could play a decisive role in reducing traffic congestion. The three systems — Mono Rail, Metro Rail and suburban services — would have to be integrated in such a way that the Mono Rail stations would be in proximity to sub-urban train junctions.

This helps the passengers coming from suburban areas to use the Mono Rail service to reach their destination.

“We are also calling it environmental friendly because it is operated on electricity,” added Kanesan and Selvaraja.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/buses-and-autos-pave-way-to-monorail/160359-60-120.html

When asked whether Mono Rail was better than Metro Rail for Chennai, Selvaraja said that in metro cities, both the systems were necessary. Metro and sub-urban trains should be designed to bring the population from sub-urban areas into the core area of the city. The monorail could be used to transport the people within the city’s congested areas.

Mono rail is required in dense populated areas like Choolaimedu. A monorail from Anna nagar, Choolaimedu , Sterling road, Gemini to Luz will integrate 2 Metro lnes, Suburban and bus network.

Also areas like Perambur, Vasarpadi, Otteri, padalam, Mint, Vepery, Ayanavaram, Villivakkam, Sowcarpet, Pulinthope, purasivakkam requires Mono as Metro will be too large for them.

Enough of this scomi. if she is gonna plan it in main areas better to go for bombardier.

Scomi joint venture has messed up in bangalore.

capacity-frequency and speed must be main factors.

min capacity of system must be 20-30000.

As of now we know mono can have capacities rangin from min 20000-40000(48000) from what bombardier and hitachi say.

hitachi is managing around 19000 in large system with 20 trains per hour and 8 car rake.

in hitachi width not a big deal for large system. small is 2.8m and large medium- 3m.

its length the main variable. neither a big diff in track beam specifications.
Bombardier with 7 car rake is 1000 passengers(from video), but yet capacity is 40-480000. so looks like frequency is very high here. infact headway is 75s for this.

Scomi offerring arnd 16800 with 6 cars.

Speed - from what globim gives 35-80km/hr


The INNOVIA Monorail 300 system operates at a top speed of 80km/h on 750V DC power. It can be configured in two-eight car sets to transport 1,000 passengers per trip.

http://scbist.com/foreign-railways/projects/saopaulomonorailsyst/index.htm

24 km covered in 50 min.

And this whole article in wsj main opposition to mono seems to be elevated structure.

So that is not an issue in our scenario.


The other issue of seamsless integration is just a hoax. Why cant mono integrate with other systems? to integrate is to provide transfer, have capacity to carry the crowd due to transfer.

If metro and dabba sr suburban can be managed to have transfers, metro and buses can have transfers, or adhi vega adhi naveena Sr parakkum rail can have transfer with metro, why cant a mono have transfer with other modes of transport.

One example here

The new monorail system will be an extension of the 14.7km-long metro line 2 currently operating between Vila Madalena and Vila Prudente with 14 underground stations.The Expresso Tiradentes will be a further 24km-long extension from Vila Prudente to Cidade Tiradentes with 17 stations in between.


if anyone has to have an opposition it must be on capacity and speed. If that is good enough to match metro system, then mono is the best within city and elevated metro for suburbs as the scomi official says.

As monos curvature and less space required allows to build it in congested areas with less trouble. See already LA issue has cropped up for metro.

unlike 6 yrs ago, technology has improved. 6 yrs ago was a stupid option. Now its a much better option. Depends on what we select.

i dont understand the hell of it when someone says it is difficult to integrate with other rail and make interchanges on a mono.

What is the person expecting - mono to travel on a metro track? even a metro of 1 line wont travel or switch to the other.

all points raised are laughbhable and only shows the person deep irritation at a particular govt.

And last line is the cherry. if we dont have money buy buses and keep shut. Ha why are rail transits thought of? to reduce congestion on roads. buying 500 buses wont even be enough to meet the demand for buses and replacements

And if this govt announces such a decision this poster will be first one to come calling with down rate cheap words and using bashing symbols.

Grow up guys. put your hatred and disliking to one side and criticise when needed to rightfully and appreciate when needed to. Blind thrashing of a project and blind praising one doesnt help. Else the discussions will only get degenrated and make many people stay away.

Wait till the budget or further announcement to see what the actual plans are.

have been saying this since last october. TN finances arent in a great state after the swindle. this 100 km itself is an ambitious plan unless we dont get foreign funding. else the entire model would have to be changed.

Without integration of Current Suburban Trains, MRTS, METRO & CMBT with Mono, it may not be successful.

Mono can be feeder service to all the other and HUBS have to be created.

As such the following places select themselves as Hubs by merit.
St Thomas Mount
Koyambedu
Velachery
Port / Parry's Corner

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20110622154316/Article/index_html



CHENNAI: Scomi Group Bhd has submitted a proposal to take part in the proposed monorail project in Chennai, where the state government plans to build a total of 300km stretch to ease traffic flow.

"Monorail is the most ideal transportation system for a city like Chennai.

Scomi is keen to participate and implement monorail project in Chennai.

"We have submitted our proposal to the chief minister's office about three weeks ago," Selvaraja Chinnasamy, Mumbai-based Scomi International's Head of Business Development -- India, said.

The newly elected Tamil Nadu government, led by Chief Minister J. Jayalalithaa, has announced plans to introduce monorail transportation system in the traffic-choked city, home to about 4.6 million people.

It plans to raise public transportation system from the current 27 per cent share in the southern state to 46 per cent by 2026, and monorail has been tipped to be a new mode of transport for urban dwellers.

The government has earmarked the first phase of 111km stretch to be completed within two to three years in Chennai -- Tamil Nadu's capital and fifth most populace state in India.

"Scomi has decided to enter into major Indian metropolitan cities to implement monorail transportation system and after Mumbai, we are looking at Delhi, Bangalore and Chennai," added Selvaraja.

Scomi, along with its Indian consortium partner Larsen & Toubro, successfully won the bid to build the 19.5km monorail stretch in India's financial capital of Mumbai in 2008 and works are in progress in the city.

The Mumbai project, costing RM1.85 billion, is India's maiden monorail project.

Without integration of Current Suburban Trains, MRTS, METRO & CMBT with Mono, it may not be successful.

Mono can be feeder service to all the other and HUBS have to be created.

As such the following places select themselves as Hubs by merit.
St Thomas Mount
Koyambedu
Velachery
Port / Parry's Corner

I think we can add the Central station - Park complex to this list. I feel that place has the potential to be developed into a modern Downtown for Chennai.

Outstation trains (egmore also just a short distance away) - Metro 1 - Metro 2 - MRTS - Sub urban from Central - suburban thru park

Heritage structures in the vicinity for a nice tourism circle - Ripon building, Fort, Museum, Central itself, Secratariat (new), Island grounds for fairs

The area roughly between Egmore, Basin Bridge and Fort can be re-zoned and re-vitalized. Of course, the development in the initial years will be a bit more chaotic as the area is so densely populated by small houses, workshops, narrow streets etc. But the place with proper FSI allowances, building norms and govt infra push (underground walkway, circular monorails, few regularization of roads, extension etc.) can become the iconic chennai skyline

ANother monorail supplier claims

55,000 pphpd.

http://metrail.com/Range/range.html

Is the 100km figure true? The figure sounds a bit too much and unrealistic... Also, since I am not too familiar with Chennai areas, will monorail cover just suburbs or both suburbs + main city center?

^^ The final figure is 300+, so yes the 100 km figure is true.. And it covers routes joining suburbs to the main city centre so the answer to your second question is both..

Guys, no latest news? Thread has been silent for like 10 days. :dunno:

we have to wait till 1st week august for budget announcement where they will announce thefirst phase routes

Found these pictures in China Thread. Anything similar to this for Chennai will be good.

CC Snake
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=363890
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^^

I guess it is Chongqing. Due to hill terrain of the city, they opted for monorail instead of underground Metro.

Mono act-up: Sync with bus, rail

Julie Mariappan | TNN

The AIADMK government has announced that the monorail would be its pet transportation project for the city, just as the Metro rail was for the previous regime. The recent Governor’s address to the state assembly said that some 110km of monorail would be laid as part of the first phase of a project. Experts conclude that if the government is serious about encouraging more people to take public transportation – from 27% to 46% in 15 years — it should integrate monorail not only with Metro but also connect with feeder buses. The monorail lines should ideally run east-west and serve outlying areas where population has exploded such as in the northwestern belt — Avadi, Ambattur, Red Hills and Madhavaram . “Monorail should not superimpose or duplicate, but compliment or supplement other mass rapid transit systems,” says NS Srinivasan, former director of National Transportation Planning and Research Centre.
With the land requirement being less, the network can be laid along medians and dividers, while stations can be accessed from elevated structures on the footpaths. This may reduce the travel time of 76,000 people who use MRTS and 55 lakh who commute by MTC daily, while another 25,000 is likely to take up Metro.
Nevertheless, identification of total network system in the areas will play a crucial role for monorail’s success. Monorail need not be confined to the core city, instead the focus should be regional, such as the suburbs or the outlying areas.
Poor bus services, improper road connectivity and irregular trains have hit thousands of people who commute from the regions to the core city for work. “I spend at least three hours a day up and down in train and bus to reach my work place on Anna Salai. Monorail should cover our area at any cost,” said V Sivaraman, a resident of Sivasakthi Nagar, Avadi.
Monorail could act as a feeder service to complete the network of rapid and mass transit system, said Raj Cherubal of City Connect, that works closely with government on transportation projects. Narrow corridors that see heavy traffic such as Tiruvottiyur High Road, Perambur Barracks Road, Ramakrishna Mutt Road and Kodambakkam High Road can have monorail.
Experts suggest a grid pattern of lines rather than circular. Mandaveli-Nandanam-Porur, Triplicane-Luz-Teynampet-Ambattur are some of the routes suggested.

Experts also warn that monorail has not been used for large networks in the world, including in Japan and Malaysia. “Most of the routes are less than 10 km and primarily used to link airport terminals or amusement parks. Mono alone will not be suitable for core central areas,” said Shreya Gadepalli, senior program director, Institute for Transportation and Development Policy. In any case, mono has to supply the critical missing links of Bus Rapid Transit System, Metro Rail and MRTS.





Mapping ROUTES


Monorail requires less land, power and can come up quickly

Routes should run in eastwest grids and not along arterial roads

Should serve outlying areas such as Ambattur and Avadi, not just core city

Routes should supply the missing links in Metro, MRTS, suburban and BRTS

TOI

http://news.in.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5319478

Chennai, Jul 26 (PTI) Top officials of diversified Japanese group Hitachi Ltd would soon meet senior government officials in Tamil Nadu as part of offering their technology for the state government''s mono-rail project.
A delegation led by Japan External Trade Organisation (JETRO) Director General Shinya Fujii would meet the officials explaining benefits of mono-rail compared to metro-rail, Hitachi Ltd, Global Rail Business Development Division General Manager, Yoshitaka Hirabaya, told reporters here.
"We are having more than five decades of experience in mono-rail. We are supported by Mitsubishi Corporation, (Japan) who fund our projects. We offer the technology and they provide the funding," he said.
The mono-rail system requires only short "time period" for construction and was "economical" to build, thereby saving 30 per cent on the costs involved, he said.
He said an eight compartment mono-rail can carry 62,400 people per hour per direction (pphpd).
The officials were here to participate in a seminar organised by Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and Tamil Nadu Guidance Bureau.
In his address to the State Assembly last month, Governor Surjit Singh Barnala had said the government would implement a Mono rail project in Chennai to integrate it with the existing transport system.
In the first phase, 111 km would be covered under this project and in a phased manner it would cover 300 km.

^^So, unlike typical monorails across the world, which have only 2-3 (or max 4) coaches per train, Hitachi has talked about around 8 coaches in one monorail train. If that cud be implemented, of course the carrying capacity will be more.

If implemented properly, this shud break all usual 'norms' and create a new precedence for adoption of monorails.

But the word 'properly' is what is frightening.

We 'sothapify' in implementing exisitng proven models. Don't know how we're going to chart an unbeaten track.

sigh....what a waste of public money.

^^It's a much better utilization than they have achieved in the last 60 yrs.

Why nobody putting photos of Mumbai Monorail yaar?
Namma desi stuffs.

I'd love to see a Monorail run on Arcot road.

^^ Arcot Road is actually a good sector for Monorail - narrow road but bustling shopping district.

Assuming we start at Porur or Valsarawakkam, the infrastructural issues would be stations, the 2-level flyover on Inner Ring Road, Kodambakkam Bridge and the North Usman Road Flyover.

^^ Arcot Road is actually a good sector for Monorail - narrow road but bustling shopping district.

Assuming we start at Porur or Valsarawakkam, the infrastructural issues would be stations, the 2-level flyover on Inner Ring Road, Kodambakkam Bridge and the North Usman Road Flyover.
Exactly. connects CMRL with SR, and shopping areas too.

Why nobody putting photos of Mumbai Monorail yaar?
Namma desi stuffs.

I'd love to see a Monorail run on Arcot road.

There are lots of under construction photos of the Mumbai monorail in the Mumbai monorail thread.

There are lots of under construction photos of the Mumbai monorail in the Mumbai monorail thread.
I meant when putting up Monorail pics from across the road in Chennai thread, put some from avar lowely country ...

Is there any funds allotted for Mono in Budget?

At least funds for basic feasibility study on routes?

Is there any funds allotted for Mono in Budget?
At least funds for basic feasibility study on routes?
It is mentioned that Govt is working on various Details on Mono Rails..
it might take some time..
but it might go in full speed in next 2 years... since JJ might want to justify her choice of mono rail.. by speedy implementation and setting up the standards...

^^ No mention of exact funds,investigation for allocating funds for investigation of priliminary works lol

Mono Rail:

No funds arranged so far.

Old DPR has to be revised and then only will be submitted for funds.

^^

*New group has been formed with IAS officers for looking into Monorail
*The old DPR prepared by pallavan transport consultancy will be used.
*Old DPR will be revised for present day need
*New report will be submitted to CM soon and orders for monorail can be expected very soon.

http://epaper.maalaimalar.com/682011/epaperimages/682011/682011-md-hr-2/144317609.jpg

Maalaimalar

Chennai: Chennai’s monorail is on the move at last as the empowered committee comprising senior IAS officers appointed recently to ensure the effective implementation of chief minister J. Jayalalithaa’s pet project has identified an entity to conduct feasibility study for the project.
Pallavan Transport Consultancy Services (PTCS) has been entrusted to conduct a feasibility study for the transit system. It will submit a report to the government soon.
“Though PTCS had already conducted a similar study on implementation of monorail scheme during the previous AIADMK regime (2006), it will update its study considering the latest developments and submit its report, based on which the government would decide its next move in this regard,” said a senior official in the empowered committee, which is headed by Transport minister.
The official added that the decision to entrust the conduct of feasibility study to PTCS was taken in a recent meeting of the empowered committee.
The PTCS would conduct traffic surveys and examine several technology options and submit a report and after which the empowered committee would be identifying the implementing agency.
In 2006, the then AIADMK government went ahead with monorail scheme based on the recommendations of the Pallavan transport consultancy services ltd.
It may be noted that in 2006, Metropolitan Transport Corporation (MTC) was chosen as the implementing agency.
The monorail has advantages like safety, quicker execution and low noise pollution besides lower cost to consumer.
The project might be implemented on a design, build, own, operate and transfer basis

http://flashnewstoday.com/index.php/city-mono-rail-project-back-on-track/

^^ "Pallavan Transport Consultancy Services (PTCS)".......lol..some joke this is.....wasting public money in the name of doing something different from the previous gov.

PTC and MTC are same isn't it ??? Anyway ivangalukku study nadathra alavukku consultancy lam irukka ... ?!!! appo bus timings and routes lam study panni efficient aakalam le ??? till now what was this consultancy doing ! :bash:

^^ DP.. aasai padalam.. peraasai pada koodathu.. ;-)

Their website.. http://www.tn.gov.in/transport/ptcs.htm

Disclaimer - I am not responsible for any eye problems you may get after reading through this website.

^^ Disclaimer - I am not responsible for any eye problems you may get after reading through this website.

:lol: Shittiest website ever. Gave me a headache in a glance. Good that you put that disclaimer, else people would have sued you left and right.

^^ DP.. aasai padalam.. peraasai pada koodathu.. ;-)

Their website.. http://www.tn.gov.in/transport/ptcs.htm

Disclaimer - I am not responsible for any eye problems you may get after reading through this website.

Oh god !! Mudinja web colours elathyum use paniduvanga pola :lol: adhulayum name potrukare shhhtyle dhan tucker pink oodha lam kalandhu powerpoint word art madri :lol: :lol:

^^ "Pallavan Transport Consultancy Services (PTCS)".......lol..some joke this is.....wasting public money in the name of doing something different from the previous gov.


Once PTCS was the best in providing transport consultancy services. Only TN is having separate entity like this and IRT(Institute of Road Transport) takes care of important tenders for purchasings buses, tyres, spare parts for all TNSTCs. Both PTCs and IRT went bad because of the bad policies and politics from previous govt.

In other states STCs itself takes care of all these things. These two were started to provide better operations.

Oh god !! Mudinja web colours elathyum use paniduvanga pola :lol: adhulayum name potrukare shhhtyle dhan tucker pink oodha lam kalandhu powerpoint word art madri :lol: :lol:

Maybe they are also the consultants for the colour schemes on the MTC buses.. :lol:

^^ highly possible :lol:frm other thread there is an info that green mtc buses are going to be ön road .. :lol: pacha manja rose tamizhan naan

rose tamizhan naan

Avana nee?

:lol:

^^ adhu naan ila :lol: mtc theme mushiq

Btw in my opinion west east monorail corridors can be planned so that at different latitudes it cuts all metro lines, mrts, suburban .. More like a grid .. Eg. Porur - ashok pillar(metro) -mambalam(suburban) - teynampet(metro) - luz .. I guess phase 3 or 4 of cmrl had same route rite ?

All the retired engineers & officials from the Dept have been rehabilitated in the Consultancy firm. :bash:

All the retired engineers & officials from the Dept have been rehabilitated in the Consultancy firm. :bash:

Well, even at Wilbur Smith and other consultancies retired DE's & SE's are heading the technical team it seems.

A line of comedy from PTCS site...

For quality and technical services, you can rely on us.

Hitachi & Mitsubishi in talks over Chennai Monorail project

Japanese infrastructure companies Hitachi and Mitsubishi are in talks over the Chennai Monorail project.

Tamil Nadu has invited tenders in developing monorail in Chennai that covers a distance of 300 km.

In the 2005-06 budget the estimated cost of the project was Rs 5,086.85 crore.

The representatives of both firms said monorail was feasible in Chennai as it was simple in terms of construction and would ease traffic congestion.

Recently, Scomi Group Bhd, a Malaysian based firm, also submitted its proposal to take part in the proposed monorail project in Chennai to the government.

Yoshitaka Hirabaya, Global Rail Business Development Division General Manager of Hitachi said:

“Currently, we are in talks with the Delhi and Mumbai authorities for providing monorail technology.

“We have already supplied technology to the Taegu monorail in Korea, Chingqing monorail in China, Palm monorail in Dubai and Sentosa monorail in Singapore.

“We have more than five decades of experience in monorail. We are supported by Mitsubishi Corporation, (Japan) who will fund the project. We offer the technology and they provide the funding,” he added.

The proposed monorail will carry 62,400 people per hour per direction, similar to the current Metro Rail system.

In the first phase of construction, 111 km would be covered, and a phased construction would cover the whole of the 300 km route.

Monorail is flexible and the rehabilitation of project affected people is small as it does not interfere with existing buildings and properties.

In a bid to avoid land acquisition, minister of transportation instructed Hitachi officials to develop high capacity transit system in air.

The Chennai Monorail project will have 18 corridors which are aimed to be completed within 18 months after awarding the contracts.

After completion, it will be biggest monorail project in the world.

The Hindu (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2339095.ece)

^^

18corridors in 18months.......... :rofl:

111KM, then each corridor average 6.16 KM:nuts:

Hope IT Corridor and North Chennai get into first phase.

^^

18corridors in 18months.......... :rofl:

111KM, then each corridor average 6.16 KM:nuts:

Hope IT Corridor and North Chennai get into first phase.

If they really plan for 5-10kms each line will be good enough for feeder service. Initially they can connect monorail to near by Metro/Bus stands.
Following lines will be ideal:
Ashok nagar metro-Tnagar circular line(5-7kms)
Koyambedu/Thirumangalam-Mugapair east/west-estate-Ambatur(8-9Kms)
Ashok ngr/Vadapalani-virugambakkam-Porur(8kms)
Villiwakam RS-ICF-Annanagar-Skywalk-Nungambakkam RS-Gemini(10kms)
Perambur RS-ayanavaram-Kellys-Purasai-EgmoreRS(7-8Kms)
Egmore-LIC-Royapettah-mylai MRTS(7Kms)
Ashok nagar-Saidai west-Saidai metro-anna univ-Madya kailash-AdyarBS(10)

There is a huge fill up to be done in North madras in areas like ayanavaram, villivakam, korrukpet , patalam, Thiruvattriyur, Otteri, vyasarpadi, madavaram, Perambur. So this monorail if well planned can be boon for these areas.

Hitachi & Mitsubishi in talks over Chennai Monorail project


“We have already supplied technology to the Taegu monorail in Korea, Chingqing monorail in China, Palm monorail in Dubai and Sentosa monorail in Singapore.



The Hindu (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2339095.ece)

The personnel's statement says it all. None of his examples is a city of Chennai's size.The first two are tier 2 cities , while the last two are touristic.While this project could serve as a test bed for Hitachi to boast their capability(if it succeeds) for chennaities like u and me, we are all made lab pigs.I cant imagine the monorail running non feeder routes.Given its speed, its either gonna lose the competition to bus or going to be super crowded.:nuts:
I am eagerly awaiting for the proposed segments.

Who will fund the project ?

Hitachi & Mitsubishi - Japan ?
Malaysia ?
Siemens / Germany ?
or CHINA ?

will bombardier get anyone to fund?

france?

^^

18corridors in 18months.......... :rofl:

111KM, then each corridor average 6.16 KM:nuts:

Hope IT Corridor and North Chennai get into first phase.

I think 18 corridors is the complete one (300 km) which means around 17 km per corridor. If they succeed in building 300 km, whole city and even the suburbs will be covered. 18 months is too ambitious but i believe 36 months is very much feasible. Atleast it will be definitely ready by 2016 elections provided funding is not a problem (even at 100 cr/km, it will cost 30000 crores - raising it in 3 years is not a joke) and there are no court cases. If Hitachi or Mitsubishi is given the contract, then we have a very good chance of roping in JICA particularly when the developed economies are battling recession.

@Pheonixmaster: I too initially thought mono is slow but in public transport mode, it can average 22-28 kmph which is not at all slow (metro averages 30-36 kmph).

where we can see the tender documents posted for chennai monorail ?

The personnel's statement says it all. None of his examples is a city of Chennai's size.The first two are tier 2 cities , while the last two are touristic.While this project could serve as a test bed for Hitachi to boast their capability(if it succeeds) for chennaities like u and me, we are all made lab pigs.I cant imagine the monorail running non feeder routes.Given its speed, its either gonna lose the competition to bus or going to be super crowded.:nuts:
I am eagerly awaiting for the proposed segments.

Chongqing is a metro city like Chennai... The capacity and speed of new generation monorail is on par with metro. But yes Chennai may be the testing piece for Hitachi or Mitsubishi...

Chongqing alread have 53KM of Monorail in operation, 67KM under construction and 180KM of Monorail is under planning. So a net of 300KM for Chongqing is under operation/construction/planning!!

Who will fund the project ?

Hitachi & Mitsubishi - Japan ?
Malaysia ?
Siemens / Germany ?
or CHINA ?

will bombardier get anyone to fund?

france?

Hope it is from Japan!! But I could not find the high capacity Hitachi monorail pics.

I think 18 corridors is the complete one (300 km) which means around 17 km per corridor. If they succeed in building 300 km, whole city and even the suburbs will be covered. 18 months is too ambitious but i believe 36 months is very much feasible. Atleast it will be definitely ready by 2016 elections provided funding is not a problem (even at 100 cr/km, it will cost 30000 crores - raising it in 3 years is not a joke) and there are no court cases. If Hitachi or Mitsubishi is given the contract, then we have a very good chance of roping in JICA particularly when the developed economies are battling recession.

@Pheonixmaster: I too initially thought mono is slow but in public transport mode, it can average 22-28 kmph which is not at all slow (metro averages 30-36 kmph).

thanks.. optimistic one.

But does Hitachi and Mitsubishi get into right from civil design/construction to rolling stock?

thanks.. optimistic one.

But does Hitachi and Mitsubishi get into right from civil design/construction to rolling stock?

I think they will take the whole contract and employ sub contractors (like L&T, Soma) to do the civil work.

My optimism is based on the fact that it will be JJ's pet project and she will make sure that it gets done. Hope it is a big success. It will motivate her to take up Cbe, Mdu, Salem and Trichy monorails too!!

where we can see the tender documents posted for chennai monorail ?

Tenders not yet called

I think they will take the whole contract and employ sub contractors (like L&T, Soma) to do the civil work.

My optimism is based on the fact that it will be JJ's pet project and she will make sure that it gets done. Hope it is a big success. It will motivate her to take up Cbe, Mdu, Salem and Trichy monorails too!!

hey dude, what abt tirunelveli? We have IT park too. :-)

hey dude, what abt tirunelveli? We have IT park too. :-)

Apdiya? Sollave illa!!

I think she announced only these 4 cities in her "therthal arrikkai" but yes Tirunelveli, Erode, Tirupur are also big enough to have a 2-3 corridor monorail system. It will be beneficial.

Even a system in Vellore will do a world of good. It is really a lengthy city but doesnt have width (sort of like Mumbai). A monorail running north to south from Katpadi to Bagayam will take the stress out of the main road.

Tenders not yet called

Thanks Anniyan.
News Article rather mislead me :nuts:

what a waste of public money...sigh...instead of wasting all this money for building a random monorail, another metro line could have been built...i hope cg understands the problem and doesn't give funds for this project.

guys just stop this cities of tn comparision across threads. taake a break. ahmedabad has not yet gone for metro yet(proposals dpr in work- but look what they implemented first) , but has true world class brts so much that usa trb makes a visit to study it

brts can be very well implemeted in the under tier 2 or tier 3 cities.

demand that. chumma chenniala metro launch panna enakku metro, mono launch panna enakko mono please dont start it.

See whats suitable for the respective city and susggest and pressurize govt for that for it to respond.

see if konkan railway sky bus suits you.

go check recent stats posted by arul in stats thread before demanding it.

and bonoslack please if u want to rant go rant in metro thread or tn arattai arangam.

every 5-10 post u keep ranting.

guys just stop this cities of tn comparision across threads. taake a break. ahmedabad has not yet gone for metro yet(proposals dpr in work- but look what they implemented first) , but has true world class brts so much that usa trb makes a visit to study it

brts can be very well implemeted in the under tier 2 or tier 3 cities.

demand that. chumma chenniala metro launch panna enakku metro, mono launch panna enakko mono please dont start it.

See whats suitable for the respective city and susggest and pressurize govt for that for it to respond.

see if konkan railway sky bus suits you.

go check recent stats posted by arul in stats thread before demanding it.

nkumar,

monorail will definetly suits for coimbatore and madurai considering the size of the city. Atleast in budget dpr preparation should have been announced for these two cities.

bonoslack, as suggested you can rant in arratai arangam thread better or constructive criticism can be welcomed and debated, but looks your post goes as mere rant.

Arul,

I am not talking of coimbatore, madurai. u talk of coimbatore madurai, right comes tirunelveli, then comes some other city.

Infact last term she proposed sky bus for coimbatore, but thanks to politico-corporate along they ensured sky bus never came out.


There is a reason why dpr not announced. when they r clear how companies are interested in chennai, the model, that will give an idea. they may also just use the interaction then to get these companies opinions or how interested they are in coimbatore,madurai.

They may suggest a particular route to them and u may see scomi send proposal and swiss model types as in bangalore.

Thats why i am no over agitated unlike friends from coimbatore madurai.

even dpr for chennai by pallavan consultancy is just for sake.

Dpr for madurai coimbatore can be finished very easily in 3-6 months by pallavan

dont worry.

and bonoslack please if u want to rant go rant in metro thread or tn arattai arangam.

every 5-10 post u keep ranting.

but for ranting about monorail, isn't this the correct thread?

generally, my rant frequency in this thread varies between 7-12 posts.

Ridiculous plan to build a 'monorail network' when no other major city has it.

Ridiculous plan to build a 'monorail network' when no other major city has it.

By your logic, any invention or a first has to be "ridiculous".

lol...I just gave a simple reason. All the negatives of monorail are known by everyone around the world and that is why metro is preferred in all the major cities. Most of the major cities that have a monorail/light rail regret having it.

Most of the major cities that have a monorail/light rail regret having it.

source?

^^Personal experience by myself and many other people..... and these cities just have a single monorail/light rail line compared to a gargantuan metro network.

When rush hour in a metro is untolerable, how can anyone survive a monorail?
It hinders future metro expansion too. No country has ever expanded its monorail network. All have realised their mistake and switched over to metro.
No one is mad enough to have a 100km monorail network. Even Malaysia, where Scomi hails from,only has a tiny monorail line.

I kind of agree with you bonoslack. Monorail should compliment local suburban trains/Metro system of the city.It cant be the main source of public transportation. The carrying capacity of a metro cannot b replaced by monorail

^^There is no better feeder to a metro than a bus. If the money wasted on this useless monorail is utilised for procuring more buses and buying land for bus stops(bus bays) and bus stands, it would go a long way in improving the transport infrastructure of the city.

But if you pay little more than a normal bus fare but not as much as AC bus fare, you can get a hassle free,air.conditioned, comfortable journey...Why not???

You are saying that a persons commute should involve office-->bus-->metro-->monorail-->bus-->walk-->home.

I am pretty much sure that the monorail is not going to drop everyone at their doorsteps. Instead of going in a monorail and then by a bus, they can travel in an ac bus throughout. Fare of an ac bus needn't be very prohibitive if revenue is generated though ads on them or if ashok leyland makes a proper ac bus.

But anyways, the current monorail plan is so random & retarded that any plan is better than it.

^^Personal experience by myself and many other people..... and these cities just have a single monorail/light rail line compared to a gargantuan metro network.

When rush hour in a metro is untolerable, how can anyone survive a monorail?
It hinders future metro expansion too. No country has ever expanded its monorail network. All have realised their mistake and switched over to metro.
No one is mad enough to have a 100km monorail network. Even Malaysia, where Scomi hails from,only has a tiny monorail line.

Who realized their mistake and switched to metro? Give me concrete examples. Monorail is not some toy like you are imagining. FYI chonquing is building a monorail network similar to Chennai.

All the negatives of monorail are known by everyone around the world and that is why metro is preferred in all the major cities. Most of the major cities that have a monorail/light rail regret having it.


When rush hour in a metro is untolerable, how can anyone survive a monorail?
It hinders future metro expansion too.

There is no better feeder to a metro than a bus. If the money wasted on this useless monorail is utilised for procuring more buses and buying land for bus stops(bus bays) and bus stands, it would go a long way in improving the transport infrastructure of the city.

Instead of going in a monorail and then by a bus, they can travel in an ac bus throughout. Fare of an ac bus needn't be very prohibitive if revenue is generated though ads on them or if ashok leyland makes a proper ac bus.


But anyways, the current monorail plan is so random & retarded that any plan is better than it.

All these are unsubstantiated/unscientific/opinionated statements. Unless you show convincingly through scientific studies/statistical or mathematical modelling/peer reviewed journal articles, it would be taken as rants of a prejudiced person having some sort of personal vendetta.

I too first thought monorail was fit for feeder networks only but the more i learn about them, more I am convinced that it is fit to be a standalone transport solution.

I have also read somewhere that the pvt parties earn more if metro is implemented rather than mono. So they convince the city planners to opt for metro. This maybe a conspiracy theory but I dont see one single parameter where metro has a decisive advantage over mono. As far as I can recall, it has only slightly less carrying capacity and slightly lower speed. It can more than make it up with its lower construction and operating costs, faster pace of construction and incredible flexibility.

office-->bus-->metro-->monorail-->bus-->walk-->home
is better than idling your vehicle for hours in city traffic

Mainly 'Autos' cannot run on monorail tracks :lol:
like they do 'stunts' on roads

All these are unsubstantiated/unscientific/opinionated statements. Unless you show convincingly through scientific studies/statistical or mathematical modelling/peer reviewed journal articles, it would be taken as rants of a prejudiced person having some sort of personal vendetta.

I too first thought monorail was fit for feeder networks only but the more i learn about them, more I am convinced that it is fit to be a standalone transport solution.

I have also read somewhere that the pvt parties earn more if metro is implemented rather than mono. So they convince the city planners to opt for metro. This maybe a conspiracy theory but I dont see one single parameter where metro has a decisive advantage over mono. As far as I can recall, it has only slightly less carrying capacity and slightly lower speed. It can more than make it up with its lower construction and operating costs, faster pace of construction and incredible flexibility.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/8/27/central/6911559&sec=central

^^

still you can keep hanging on 10000pphpd monorail and compare it with rest of the world. The monorail capacity is being upgraded on par with metrorail 45000pphpd. I wonder why you fail to understand this simple point right from starting of the thread.

KL monorail pphpd is just 5000 and 2005 commissioned Chongqing monorail pphpd is 17,000

^^

Further the peak hour no. of service on Tambaram suburban and Arrakonam suburban is 8 which means its pphpd would be around 20000. Few people blindly oppose the monorail here!

I feel the original plan (before metro) of full monorail would have been better. Perhaps the previous govt opted for metro just to thwart a scheme mooted by the one before them. I will never assign altruistic motives to either kazhagam.

As for pphpd figures, I can't believe a metro with 3 - 4 coaches can beat the suburban rail which has 12 coaches, even if the frequency is double. Within weeks of introduction, the metro as well as monorail will be chock-a-block, just like suburban rail.

Who realized their mistake and switched to metro? Give me concrete examples. Monorail is not some toy like you are imagining. FYI chonquing is building a monorail network similar to Chennai.

I am not against or for monorail, but Chongqing building monorail doesn't mean we have build one and would suit us. Read below, reference from Wiki.

CRT is a unique metro system in China in that most lines use heavy monorail technology. Due to Chongqing's surrounding geography as a hilly, multiple-river city, it is not feasible to construct an all-heavy rail tunnel system given the depths of some many of the stations as one transports through the network. For this reason, only two lines are planned to be heavy-rail while all others are planned to be straddle-beam monorail using heavy vehicles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongqing_Rail_Transit

^^

still you can keep hanging on 10000pphpd monorail and compare it with rest of the world. The monorail capacity is being upgraded on par with metrorail 45000pphpd. I wonder why you fail to understand this simple point right from starting of the thread.

KL monorail pphpd is just 5000 and 2005 commissioned Chongqing monorail pphpd is 17,000

hmm...then why are they building metro instead of monorail? They can build monorail lines instead of the metro using Scomi rolling stock, their own company.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/8/27/central/6911559&sec=central

Read it carefully with a open mind

"Unreliable bus service, inadequate rail coverage, poor connectivity, lack of integration, stations in low demand areas and congestion are just some of the reasons behind the low public transport use."

This is what is attributed to poor public transport and not monorail. If a city has monorail and if it has poor public transport, it doesnt mean monorail is responsible for that. In that case I will argue that suburban rail is the reason for poor public transport in Chennai and Mumbai.

I am not against or for monorail, but Chongqing building monorail doesn't mean we have build one and would suit us. Read below, reference from Wiki.

Fine. I agree. Now tell me why mono wont suit Chennai.

Read it carefully with a open mind

"Unreliable bus service, inadequate rail coverage, poor connectivity, lack of integration, stations in low demand areas and congestion are just some of the reasons behind the low public transport use."

This is what is attributed to poor public transport and not monorail. If a city has monorail and if it has poor public transport, it doesnt mean monorail is responsible for that. In that case I will argue that suburban rail is the reason for poor public transport in Chennai and Mumbai.



Fine. I agree. Now tell me why mono wont suit Chennai.
Rail wise, Chennai has a good system.
Buses, need to be streamlined more.
But as a feeder, purely as a feeder, Monorail can be used.
As I said earlier, Kodambakkam Liberty to Vadapalani station is an example.

I am not analyzing the reasons like unreliable bus service, etc. etc. though the same reasons apply to chennai.

That article shouts questions like why does kuala lumpur have just one monorail line when they have one of the major companies like Scomi? Why aren't they building monorails as part of their future plans?

And the answers are quite obvious.

I am not analyzing the reasons like unreliable bus service, etc. etc. though the same reasons apply to chennai.

That article shouts questions like why does kuala lumpur have just one monorail line when they have one of the major companies like Scomi? Why aren't they building monorails as part of their future plans?

And the answers are quite obvious.

Care to venture out the obvious answers?

office-->bus-->metro-->monorail-->bus-->walk-->home
is better than idling your vehicle for hours in city traffic

Mainly 'Autos' cannot run on monorail tracks :lol:
like they do 'stunts' on roads

But Basha can do

But as a feeder, purely as a feeder, Monorail can be used.


I dont agree to that. Mono can function as a standalone transport solution too. True it does not have the capacity of a metro or a suburb but Chennai have/will have 80km of suburb and more than 100 km of metro (including phase 2). The remaining areas can be covered by a mono. If 300 km of well planned mono is build, then literally every nook and corner can be bought very close to a public transport modality.

^^ Big +1..

For me, the most important aspects of the proposed monorail network are:

1) Extremely wide reach

2) Much shorter construction period, meaning it goes on stream much quicker

3) Ability to provide coverage to sections of the city where roads cannot accommodate overhead metro, and underground metro is too expensive

4) With a network that covers every nook and corner of the city, each line will naturally require a lower carrying capacity, than if there were 2 or 3 high capacity lines. So I don't think that a monorail's (alleged) lower capacity will prove to be much of an issue either..

^^ Big +1..

For me, the most important aspects of the proposed monorail network are:

1) Extremely wide reach

2) Much shorter construction period, meaning it goes on stream much quicker

3) Ability to provide coverage to sections of the city where roads cannot accommodate overhead metro, and underground metro is too expensive

4) With a network that covers every nook and corner of the city, each line will naturally require a lower carrying capacity, than if there were 2 or 3 high capacity lines. So I don't think that a monorail's (alleged) lower capacity will prove to be much of an issue either..

+1

Metro Rail is ideal for routes selected so far (Phase I & II) and in the future we can have one underground section in the beach road when we become a rich state.

For rest of the areas in Chennai city and other big cities in TN, mono rail is the best option.

^^ Big +1..

For me, the most important aspects of the proposed monorail network are:

1) Extremely wide reach

2) Much shorter construction period, meaning it goes on stream much quicker

3) Ability to provide coverage to sections of the city where roads cannot accommodate overhead metro, and underground metro is too expensive

4) With a network that covers every nook and corner of the city, each line will naturally require a lower carrying capacity, than if there were 2 or 3 high capacity lines. So I don't think that a monorail's (alleged) lower capacity will prove to be much of an issue either..

Couldn't agree more...if there are no previous examples in other places, let us be the first to show....the fact that the network is elaborate and not a bits and pieces thing, makes the monorail viable

^^ Big +1..

For me, the most important aspects of the proposed monorail network are:

1) Extremely wide reach
2) Much shorter construction period, meaning it goes on stream much quicker

3) Ability to provide coverage to sections of the city where roads cannot accommodate overhead metro, and underground metro is too expensive

4) With a network that covers every nook and corner of the city, each line will naturally require a lower carrying capacity, than if there were 2 or 3 high capacity lines. So I don't think that a monorail's (alleged) lower capacity will prove to be much of an issue either..

Nice points.

Metro cannot be constructed in each and every corner! For example for Arcot road traffic building a metro would be costly and also will be under utilized compared to high density corridors.

Metro, MRTS, Suburban is covering high density corridors like Anna Salai, PH road, IRR.... I feel there should be one more under ground metro from south east to north west direction i.e from Thiruvanmiyur to Ambattur via Central Chennai... other areas need to connected with monorail.

Even if this monorail project is not in the vision of the gvt, we have to wait till 2015-2016 for next phase of metro to quick off .... we should be happy that Chennai will get another mode of transport monorail by 2016 even if it gets delayed 2yrs for delivery instead of blindly opposing it.

hmm...then why are they building metro instead of monorail? They can build monorail lines instead of the metro using Scomi rolling stock, their own company.

because they don't have suburban or base metro rail. Metro rail is the only option for under ground network... and scoumi does no supply 40000-45000pphpd monorail.. it is bombardier, mitsubishi and hitachi.

I hope the Chennai monorail does not go to malaysian company or chinese company. It should be for Japan! If it goes to malaysian company, I am sure maramveeti will halt the project and block NH45 with trees!

I hope the Chennai monorail does not go to malaysian company or chinese company. It should be for Japan! If it goes to malaysian company, I am sure maramveeti will halt the project and block NH45 with trees!

why

Nice points.

Metro cannot be constructed in each and every corner! For example for Arcot road traffic building a metro would be costly and also will be under utilized compared to high density corridors.

Metro, MRTS, Suburban is covering high density corridors like Anna Salai, PH road, IRR.... I feel there should be one more under ground metro from south east to north west direction i.e from Thiruvanmiyur to Ambattur via Central Chennai... other areas need to connected with monorail.

Even if this monorail project is not in the vision of the gvt, we have to wait till 2015-2016 for next phase of metro to quick off .... we should be happy that Chennai will get another mode of transport monorail by 2016 even if it gets delayed 2yrs for delivery instead of blindly opposing it.

I think one of the 3 corridors proposed in phase two of metro is along Arcot road (I think from Porur to Luz). It runs either above or below Arcot road till Vadapalani if I am not wrong.

I think one of the 3 corridors proposed in phase two of metro is along Arcot road (I think from Porur to Luz). It runs either above or below Arcot road till Vadapalani if I am not wrong.

Are there any underground monorails till now anywhere in the world?

As far as underground is concerned, I guess, building cost will not be too different from a metro.

Are there any underground monorails till now anywhere in the world?

As far as underground is concerned, I guess, building cost will not be too different from a metro.

I meant metro phase two. Arul said it will be very costly to build a metro in Arcot road and I replied to him that that plan is indeed part of metro phase two (which is as far as I can remember is a 3 corridor, ?67 km plan). Ofcourse there are no ug mono.

why

remember he opposed monorail for selecting a malaysian company which was favored by then admk.

remember he opposed monorail for selecting a malaysian company which was favored by then admk.

Anyone would oppose if a Govt selects a company for such a big project without a competitive selection process.

I meant metro phase two. Arul said it will be very costly to build a metro in Arcot road and I replied to him that that plan is indeed part of metro phase two (which is as far as I can remember is a 3 corridor, ?67 km plan). Ofcourse there are no ug mono.

this was surveyed in 2003 which was base for Chennai Metrorail...

Corridor-1: NH-45 (Airport)- Guindy- Sardar Patel Road- Kotturpuram High road - Cenotaph Road- Anna Salai – Gemini – Spencers - Tarapore Towers - Along Cooum River upto Rippon building - Central Station - Broadway (Prakasam Road) – Old Jail road - Tiruvottiyur High Road (upto Tiruvottiyur)

Corridor-2: Along Poonamallai High Road (Corporation limits) - EVR Periyar Salai - Rajaji Road (North Beach Road) covering Koyambedu - Anna Nagar Arch - Aminjikarai – Kilpauk Medical College – Egmore - Central-Fort- Beach

Corridor-3: Ambathur Industrial Area (Mogapair) - Ring Road - Arcort road - Panagal Park - Theagaraya road - Eldams road - Luz Church Road - RK Mutt Road - Adyar Bridge - Lattice Bridge Road - Tiruvanmiyur

Corridor-4: Porur – Kodambakkam (Arcort Road) - Panagal Park - Theagaraya road - Eldams road - Luz Church Road - Kutchery Road - Kamrajar Salai

Corridor-5: Ring road

Corridor-6: Radhakrishnan Salai - Nugambakkam High Road- Mc. Nickols Road - KMC

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Now in metro u/c, Corridor 1 is under implementation as mentioned in the report of 2003.

Corriod 2 and Corridor 5 is clubbed as Corridor II metro which is under construction now for Phase I.

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Phase II, corridor 3 was approved and even Japan assured the loan for the same. I don't think corridor 4 or 6 would become reality.

IMHO, corridor 3 should be implemented as metro as it will connect Thiruvanmiyur, Adyar to Ambattur via Central chennai..

Here it is from the metro thread. Preliminary plan for phase 2.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article1078733.ece?homepage=true

As ideas for future Metro Rail corridors gather ground with the Governor's address to the Assembly on Friday announcing that three new links are being considered, the place that the Metro project occupies in the city's transportation grid has come into focus.

A detailed project report will soon be undertaken by the consultant, Delhi Metro Rail Corporation, to determine the feasibility of corridors between Moolakkadai-Thirumangalam, Moolakkadai-Thiruvanmiyur and Luz-Poonamallee through Iyyappanthangal.

Populated areas

K. Rajaraman, Managing Director of Chennai Metro Rail Limited, said that the routes were chosen by identifying thickly populated areas in the city that currently do not have access to an effective mass transit option. When the population coverage was mapped on to the city's transit network, there were quite a few large gaps.

Though construction on Phase-I of the Metro commenced just some months ago, the rapid expansion of its network will determine what the city's transportation will be like in the future.

H.M. Shivanand Swamy, executive director of the Centre for Excellence in Urban Planning at CEPT University, Ahmedabad, says “People would always choose to live in a locality which is accessible. Mass transit networks play a key role in determining how any expands.”

Pointing to London, which is about the same size as Chennai, having a 500-km mass transit network, he says that based on current demographics, most Indian cities would double in size within the next 30 years before population growth stabilises. “Metro systems must rapidly branch out towards suburban areas. Those localities are going to become the centres of activity tomorrow. We must start building up capacity to prepare for the poly-centric cities of the future, which will have more than one city centre,” he adds.

The Shanghai Metro, for example, which commenced operation in 1995, has already expanded to a 420-km network. It surpassed the London Underground as the longest urban rail network in the world in early 2010.

Massive transit problem

Acknowledging the importance of branching out into suburban areas, Mr.Rajaraman, however, said it is not possible at the moment as there is a massive transit problem within the city itself. “Nearly 30 to 40 per cent of the city's residents do not have access to any mass transit system,” he says.

He added that CMRL's current model of financing cannot sustain expansion along routes that do not show a high degree of travel density.

On the issue of financial viability, M.N.Murthy, researcher at the New Delhi-based Institute of Economic Growth says since new Metro corridors take time to build up ridership, “a network instead of a line approach should be adopted in evaluating new lines”.

This approach would potentially enable future new lines to be implemented a few years earlier, so long as the entire rail network remains viable.

According to his case study of the Delhi Metro, the social return from greater mobility, in the form of more economic activity and lesser pollution, is much higher than financial returns. He estimates the rate of return to be 22 per cent, which means for every rupee of investment, 22 paise is earned.

One more important facet that any expansion plan would have to factor in is greater integration. For example, in Singapore, 25 per cent of the commuters use the Metro systems, but 60 per cent of them combine it with a bus trip.

Metro systems such as the one in Los Angeles finance, build, and operate their own feeder bus systems and bicycle tracks.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7933/th11metrorailcol350965f.jpg


The east west line runs through Arcot road.

^^ Big +1..

For me, the most important aspects of the proposed monorail network are:

1) Extremely wide reach

2) Much shorter construction period, meaning it goes on stream much quicker

3) Ability to provide coverage to sections of the city where roads cannot accommodate overhead metro, and underground metro is too expensive

4) With a network that covers every nook and corner of the city, each line will naturally require a lower carrying capacity, than if there were 2 or 3 high capacity lines. So I don't think that a monorail's (alleged) lower capacity will prove to be much of an issue either..

If monorail reaches every nook and corner of the city, what are buses for?

It would take less than 1/8th the money used on this useless monorail to significantly improve the bus network. Instead of building 1000 monorail stations on a 300 km network randomly, if another 2 lines of underground metro are built, it would be much cheaper and faster to transit.

No one asked for a 300 km crap to be made from taxpayers money. Public transportation is something that has to regularly planned and executed according to needs and not ridiculous plans like building/planning 300 km lines at a go.

I am pretty much sure monorail and metro are going to cost the same at the end of construction.

But Basha can do
:banana::lol:I dont agree to that. Mono can function as a standalone transport solution too. True it does not have the capacity of a metro or a suburb but Chennai have/will have 80km of suburb and more than 100 km of metro (including phase 2). The remaining areas can be covered by a mono. If 300 km of well planned mono is build, then literally every nook and corner can be bought very close to a public transport modality.

^^ Big +1..

For me, the most important aspects of the proposed monorail network are:

1) Extremely wide reach

2) Much shorter construction period, meaning it goes on stream much quicker

3) Ability to provide coverage to sections of the city where roads cannot accommodate overhead metro, and underground metro is too expensive

4) With a network that covers every nook and corner of the city, each line will naturally require a lower carrying capacity, than if there were 2 or 3 high capacity lines. So I don't think that a monorail's (alleged) lower capacity will prove to be much of an issue either..

I agree with you guys, but since WE already have a Metro network making good progress in construction, and the UG section coming up fast, we can improve on that network better and have a mono as Feeder.
It can connect those areas, too narrow for metro to the metro on side, AND your MRTS/SR tracks on the other side.
Along the way, it still links commercial, residential areas, etc.
Eg: Kodambakkam-Vadapalani again.

If monorail reaches every nook and corner of the city, what are buses for? It would take less than 1/8th the money used on this useless monorail to significantly improve the bus network.


Is there any rule that so many buses should be used? Then how do you substantiate construction of metro? It would take 1/16th of the cost of metro to significantly augment bus network too. Why are you supporting metro construction then? Buses can anyway be used to supplement the network. There are places where neither metro nor mono can reach.

Instead of building 1000 monorail stations on a 300 km network randomly, if another 2 lines of underground metro are built, it would be much cheaper and faster to transit.

Randomly? What do you mean randomly? Enumerate the corridors planned and justify why it is random. How can two lines of underground metro make transit faster for people who are not near to that metro.

No one asked for a 300 km crap to be made from taxpayers money. Public transportation is something that has to regularly planned and executed according to needs and not ridiculous plans like building/planning 300 km lines at a go.

Who is that "no one"? You are not the only tax payer you know! The world does not start and end with you. And again 300 km is not constructed in one go. The first phase is 111 km.


I am pretty much sure monorail and metro are going to cost the same at the end of construction.

How are you "pretty much sure"?

Monorail's carrying capacity, width and speed isn't the issue.
The issue is that a full fledged Metro is alread UC.
At this stage, where we have come a long way in construction, a Mono as competition for Metro is stupid, as an extension, to narrow crowded areas will be smart and as a feeder, or to connect Metro to MRTS/SR, which alternatively can also be taken by MTC.

Is there any rule that so many buses should be used? Then how do you substantiate construction of metro? It would take 1/16th of the cost of metro to significantly augment bus network too. Why are you supporting metro construction then? Buses can anyway be used to supplement the network. There are places where neither metro nor mono can reach.

Randomly? What do you mean randomly? Enumerate the corridors planned and justify why it is random. How can two lines of underground metro make transit faster for people who are not near to that metro.

How are you "pretty much sure"?

monorail are not buses that once they find its not suitable, they dismantle it and send it to a pawn shop. Speed and capacity difference of a metro is magnified when compared to a bus and makes it a clear favourite due to the difference. Same cannot be said about monorail and it isn't cheap either.

I say just 2 more underground lines because the government doesn't have money. Not everyone can be made happy by building a station next to their home, they have to wait for 10/15 years for the next line to be constructed. Fast transit is the need of the hour and that is the easiest encouragement for anyone to take up public transport. Future metro routes can be decided later, maybe after 10 years to see how the population is spread out and decide on the routes. Money saved by the periodic implementation can be used to acquire new buses, implement new bus routes and construct bus stands by acquiring land.

Who is that "no one"? You are not the only tax payer you know! The world does not start and end with you. And again 300 km is not constructed in one go. The first phase is 111 km.

lol...of course I am not the only one...you can check out the comments on this site....not many seem to like the monorail

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2085596.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2074763.ece

Friends,..
Its better to leave bonoslack7 with his opinion as of now.
Lets wait to hear more from TN SG on the routes, cost, execution plan..
once we get data, we will continue the debates..
initially JJ also went for metro around 2002-2003, but she changed her mind to monorail in 2003.. Let see...
We will be happy if we end up with metro, mono, BRTS, sub-urban and MRTS right?

Major advantage it has OVER Buses and even BRTS, is that it is elevated, hence less space, and is a dedicated system, no external traffic.

monorail are not buses that once they find its not suitable, they dismantle it and send it to a pawn shop. Speed and capacity difference of a metro is magnified when compared to a bus and makes it a clear favourite due to the difference. Same cannot be said about monorail and it isn't cheap either.

How are you so sure mono will fail? Mono is available in 40000 pphpd too. The same "magnification" can be obtained in mono. Still you are just giving opinions, assumptions and intuitions rather than hard facts/stats for making your point.

I say just 2 more underground lines because the government doesn't have money. Not everyone can be made happy by building a station next to their home, they have to wait for 10/15 years for the next line to be constructed. Fast transit is the need of the hour and that is the easiest encouragement for anyone to take up public transport. Future metro routes can be decided later, maybe after 10 years to see how the population is spread out and decide on the routes. Money saved by the periodic implementation can be used to acquire new buses, implement new bus routes and construct bus stands by acquiring land.

Where did you get that mono's are not fast. FYI the traffic speed in Chennai has reached something like 17 or 18 kmph. Mono even at its slowest configuration can move faster than this. And mono can be far more extensive as compared to metro hence encouraging people to take to public transport.

lol...of course I am not the only one...you can check out the comments on this site....not many seem to like the monorail

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2085596.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article2074763.ece

Who are they? PhD's in city planning and transport experts? Unless hard facts and scientific reasoning are presented, I wont be convinced. If you think your constituency is so big why not demonstrate and present your side of the argument? Atleast it has a non zero probability of bearing fruit rather than ranting in some public forum.

check out this link

http://www.iofsbrotherhood.org/site/forum/messages.php?webtag=WEBTAG&msg=15172.1

^^even transport expert accepts that metro is better in cost terms.

Singapore mrt, tokyo metro, beijing metro, etc. are 'hard facts' in favour of metro.

There are no such examples in favour of monorail.

The only "magnification" i see with a 40000 pphpd monorail is a very long station for the train.

You cannot assign traffic speed for cars in a city and decide on a public transport option. If the next government says that they are building 20 expressways to ease traffic, wouldn't monorail be an utter flop? It is generally accepted that if a city/country becomes more 'developed', faster the road transport. From what I have observed, in developed countries, a car travels faster than a metro from any point a to b.

check out this link

http://www.iofsbrotherhood.org/site/forum/messages.php?webtag=WEBTAG&msg=15172.1

^^even transport expert accepts that metro is better in cost terms.



The same article says this too

However, Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) officials pointed out that the monorail was being built through congested but low-commuter-density areas which would otherwise have been untouched by suburban rail, buses and the Metro rail too. The Metro, on the other hand, was being planned for high-commuter-potential routes where ample space is available for construction and hence it would be wrong to compare the two modes of transport.

You are just reading between the lines.

Singapore mrt, tokyo metro, beijing metro, etc. are 'hard facts' in favour of metro.

There are no such examples in favour of monorail.

And where were this hard facts when there were only commuter rails in the world and when the first metro was built? I mean you are not substantiating why mono will be a failure? Chennai's and Mumbai's suburbs were successes by any measure. Then why did Delhi go for a metro? Why didnt they build a extensive suburban system themselves? A few examples of successful metro doesnt automatically mean a monorail system will be a failure.

The only "magnification" i see with a 40000 pphpd monorail is a very long station for the train.

They are 8 car long. It wont require a "very long station". And ofcourse not all corridors will require such heavy lines.

You cannot assign traffic speed for cars in a city and decide on a public transport option. If the next government says that they are building 20 expressways to ease traffic, wouldn't monorail be an utter flop? It is generally accepted that if a city/country becomes more 'developed', faster the road transport. From what I have observed, in developed countries, a car travels faster than a metro from any point a to b.

This has got nothing to do with your allegations - that mono's are destined to be failures.

The same article says this too

However, Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) officials pointed out that the monorail was being built through congested but low-commuter-density areas which would otherwise have been untouched by suburban rail, buses and the Metro rail too. The Metro, on the other hand, was being planned for high-commuter-potential routes where ample space is available for construction and hence it would be wrong to compare the two modes of transport.

You are just reading between the lines.

And where were this hard facts when there were only commuter rails in the world and when the first metro was built? I mean you are not substantiating why mono will be a failure? Chennai's and Mumbai's suburbs were successes by any measure. Then why did Delhi go for a metro? Why didnt they build a extensive suburban system themselves? A few examples of successful metro doesnt automatically mean a monorail system will be a failure.



They are 8 car long. It wont require a "very long station". And ofcourse not all corridors will require such heavy lines.



Neither do MMRDA officials have a 'PhD in urban transportation'.

lol...your argument makes sense in developed countries where everything is in place and when there were no beggars on the street. TN government doesn't have money to run the state and you want them to experiment with some dumbfounded monorail and enter the guiness record book? People living in other major cities are not nuts to choose metro over monorail.

The number of monorail lines that were a flop and decommisioned are almost equal in number to the ones operating now. And these are just a single LINE or two with a majority of them in theme parks & airports.


This has got nothing to do with your allegations - that mono's are destined to be failures.


It has. If road traffic is less, monorail will be an utter flop. No one can decide a transport option based on the present traffic scenario.

Neither do MMRDA officials have a 'PhD in urban transportation'.



You were the one who posted the article! Not me.. You just conveniently took one half of the article and forgot the other. They may not be PhD's (or maybe; how are you so sure they are not?) but atleast they are powerful enough to decide what the city is going to get. They have far more weightage than some newspaper readers.

lol...your argument makes sense in developed countries where everything is in place and when there were no beggars on the street. TN government doesn't have money to run the state and you want them to experiment with some dumbfounded monorail and enter the guiness record book? People living in other major cities are not nuts to choose metro over monorail.

So the transport modality should be decided by the number of beggars on the street? Have you seen pictures of NY circa 1900? It will look much worse than Chennai - still they went for something unique. And what about Delhi in 1995? No beggars huh? No wonder DM was also vilified when the idea was presented. Now that it is a success, everyone wants one. There is no dearth of arm chair critics in our country. And it is not as if 300 km of mono is going to be built in one go!! There is always scope for course correction.

Btw who told you state government has no money? This year it became only the 4th state to cross 1 lac crore mark in revenue.

The number of monorail lines that were a flop and decommisioned are almost equal in number to the ones operating now. And these are just a single LINE or two with a majority of them in theme parks & airports.

So if a monorail is failure in a theme park, then it means it will fail in public transport of a big city? Good one.

It has. If road traffic is less, monorail will be an utter flop. No one can decide a transport option based on the present traffic scenario.

You think 2 lines of metro and road traffic will reduce and cars will just fly around?

Just to make you see beyond "toy train" mentality, here are some passages from Tokyo monorail wiki page which is a 18 km mono.

The six-car (1000 and 2000 Series) trains run at speeds of up to 80 km/h (50 mph). Their average speed along the line, including stops, is around 45 km/h (28 mph). Each car has a combination of aisle-facing bench seats, forward and rear-facing seats, and seats in the center of the aisle. The trains also feature extra space for hand luggage, as a convenience for air travelers.

Tokyo Monorail was originally one of the only "private" railways to use JR East's Suica fare card system. The Monorail is now fully integrated with both Suica and the new PASMO fare card.

In June 2009, Tokyo Monorail Co., Ltd., formally notified the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport of its intent to convert the present single-track terminal at Hamamatsucho, which has rested unchanged for 45 years, into a dual-track, dual-platform structure. To be built in 6.5 years at an estimated cost of 26 billion yen, this will increase the line's capacity from 18 to 24 trains per hour and lay the groundwork for a long-mooted extension to Shimbashi Station.

A 1-station, 0.9-km extension to Haneda's new Terminal 2 opened on December 1, 2004, and the opening of a passing loop at Showajima allowed express services from March 18, 2007. A new station to serve the airport's new International Terminal was opened on 21 October 2010.

Currently, the Tokyo Monorail serves eleven stations and handles about 300,000 passengers on weekdays,[2] operating from 5:30 AM to midnight with over 500 trains.

And they are completing all these extensions, even though they have one of the busiest metro in the world.

^^monorail - 20 kms, metro - 200 kms. I wonder why they aren't as ambitious as our present cm in building/planning 300 kms of monorail ...lol

^^monorail - 20 kms, metro - 200 kms. I wonder why they aren't as ambitious as our present cm in building/planning 300 kms of monorail ...lol

What is your point exactly? Does that mean monorail will be a failure? You havent till now elucidated the reason why mono will be a failure.

DONT AGAIN COME UP WITH THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT NO SUCH SYSTEM EXIST!! Thats not a fair point. There are examples that it works. It is just not tried in such a huge scale. There is no reason why it should fail. Everything has a first.

You were the one who posted the article! Not me.. You just conveniently took one half of the article and forgot the other. They may not be PhD's (or maybe; how are you so sure they are not?) but atleast they are powerful enough to decide what the city is going to get. They have far more weightage than some newspaper readers.

So the transport modality should be decided by the number of beggars on the street? Have you seen pictures of NY circa 1900? It will look much worse than Chennai - still they went for something unique. And what about Delhi in 1995? No beggars huh? No wonder DM was also vilified when the idea was presented. Now that it is a success, everyone wants one. There is no dearth of arm chair critics in our country. And it is not as if 300 km of mono is going to be built in one go!! There is always scope for course correction.

Btw who told you state government has no money? This year it became only the 4th state to cross 1 lac crore mark in revenue.

So if a monorail is failure in a theme park, then it means it will fail in public transport of a big city? Good one.

You think 2 lines of metro and road traffic will reduce and cars will just fly around?


You were the one who posted the article! Not me.. You just conveniently took one half of the article and forgot the other. They may not be PhD's (or maybe; how are you so sure they are not?) but atleast they are powerful enough to decide what the city is going to get. They have far more weightage than some newspaper readers.


lol...obama is a very powerful person, so he should decide whether chennai should get monorail or metro?

There is a reason why beijing, singapore, guangzhou, shanghai, seoul, etc. etc. have only metro.....and i am sure these are not decided by the readers of the hindu or some chinese/korean daily.

lol...obama is a very powerful person, so he should decide whether chennai should get monorail or metro?

There is a reason why beijing, singapore, guangzhou, shanghai, seoul, etc. etc. have only metro.....and i am sure these are not decided by the readers of the hindu or some chinese/korean daily.

You are again and again repeating the same thing. What is the damn reason?? I want to know why metro suits Chennai while mono does not?? Give that reason!! It seems it is quite obvious to you but somehow it is not obvious to me. So please please give me the magic reason.

^^

leave him alone, even if mono is built 111KM and works effectively and becomes successful, he is not going to accept that.

our sincere request is.. let him stop his one liner rants in this thread like.,.... 1.personal attack on cm 2.wasting the money 3.monorail is failure etc., etc.,

tshyam,You needn't go very far to find the disadvantages a monorail. Even wikipedia shows that.

On a Chennai specific note, its a growing city. All places need metro. Just 15 years ago, only an idiot would have implemented a metro till siruseri but probably a monorail would have seemed logical at that time. But now, it doesn't seem that idiotic to have a metro till siruseri. Will they be demolishing those 10000 crore monorail lines every 20 years based on the patronage for constructing a metro?

All public transport decisions, especially permanent installations like monorail/metro shouldn't be taken in haste or because of lack of money.

Some of you in this forum say that the current metro route in construction is a good move. Why? Because everyone is sure of the patronage along that route due to the population density in that area. How are you sure that there wouldn't be the same patronage on those random monorail routes in 10 years time? Are they going to build one monorail line on every street like a retard, in lieu of an efficient bus transport system? A portion of the money used for this useless monorail, if diverted into bus transport would do wonders for MTC and everyone will be very very happy.

You are just emphazing paper examples of technological improvements in monorail, especially there is no monorail network in the world.

By beggars, I emphasize the economic/innovative strength of that country, maybe its a wrong term. Electric bulbs and automobiles were invented in America. They had the money to build anything like a suburban train, if it was a failure it wouldn't have bothered much.

1. Disadvantages listed in the monorail page of wiki are applicable to metro too.

2. Monorail is NOT a low capacity system.

3. The routes are NOT random. The plans are NOT retarded.

4. Bus transport is NOT so efficient as you claim. It also occupies valuable road space.

5. Technological improvement in monorail are NOT paper examples.

6. Mono is NOT a slow lumbering 30 km/hr, two car system as you are imagining.

Monorail should be concentrated in Central and North Chennai. Areas like Vysarpadi, Tondiarpet, Kodambakkam, Choolaimedu has saturated and does not have wide roads for accomodating Metro . Mono will be a good option

Why argue about whether Chennai needs Metro, Mono, buses, bullock carts or something else? Transport needs are both variable and differ from individual to individual and from one part of the city to the other. Given that the outskirts are growing fast and the influx of people from different places, a multi-modal transport network is perhaps most suitable for the city. Metro Rail in densely populated areas of the city, mono-rail in poorer and less densely populated ones along with an upgraded bus service all over the city. No one thing can take care of all transport demands, it has to be a combination of several things.

I suggest both bono and shyam to calm down a little, atleast wait till the DPR is released.
We must know answers for these basic questions first:
1) How much cars the monorail will be initially and how much it can be extended?
2) At what speed it can travel?
3) Which company is going to supply the cars? (If Scomi doesn't have the capacity to carry 40000pphpd and eventually they turned to be the least bidder and got shortlisted, then no point ranting Mono can carry same as metro)
And we also need to know which is the fastest/slowest/average operating monorails in the world, with how many cars and for how many KMs?

May be yes, mono is equal to metro, but are we getting it? There is no point in arguing both sides unless we are sure of what we are going to get.

Thats my thought. Either one of you will be right at some time later, but now its too early.


I feel we will reach 111pages in this thread before even starting to do the soil test.

lol...I just gave a simple reason. All the negatives of monorail are known by everyone around the world and that is why metro is preferred in all the major cities. Most of the major cities that have a monorail/light rail regret having it.

Do you have any habit of going through the posts ? Or just keep ranting like a kid whose toffee was stolen .

In this same thread , Arul posted about Chongqing (which is a far bigger city than Chennai btw) going for a 300 km monorail network. Didn't you hear about Sao Paulo going for a comprehensive monorail network ?

I understand that you're a DMK supporter but don't be so vocal on forums. They might file a land grabbing case on you looking at your posts !

Do you have any habit of going through the posts ? Or just keep ranting like a kid whose toffee was stolen .

In this same thread , Arul posted about Chongqing (which is a far bigger city than Chennai btw) going for a 300 km monorail network. Didn't you hear about Sao Paulo going for a comprehensive monorail network ?

I understand that you're a DMK supporter but don't be so vocal on forums. They might file a land grabbing case on you looking at your posts !

I did see his post. And in case you are blind to selective posts, please go through what shivakumar posted earlier before blabbering further. And do take your time to learn about why and where these two monorail lines are located.

lol...so you mean that admk supporters don't visit anna library or watch movies produced by koronanidhi's grandsons? Talk sense and stick to the topic of the thread.

Looks like Bono and shyam didn't read my posts.

Fine guys. Let the DPR come. Atleast I am willing to consider both sides of the argument. If it turns out to be stupid, I would call it stupid.

I suggest both bono and shyam to calm down a little, atleast wait till the DPR is released.
We must know answers for these basic questions first:
1) How much cars the monorail will be initially and how much it can be extended?
2) At what speed it can travel?
3) Which company is going to supply the cars? (If Scomi doesn't have the capacity to carry 40000pphpd and eventually they turned to be the least bidder and got shortlisted, then no point ranting Mono can carry same as metro)
And we also need to know which is the fastest/slowest/average operating monorails in the world, with how many cars and for how many KMs?

May be yes, mono is equal to metro, but are we getting it? There is no point in arguing both sides unless we are sure of what we are going to get.

Thats my thought. Either one of you will be right at some time later, but now its too early.


I feel we will reach 111pages in this thread before even starting to do the soil test.

yeah sorry, i think its better to wait for the next step...and i have realised that theres going to be a monorail, even if its flawed or not, or if people like it or not...but its a great disappointment as i expected at least 4 more metro lines within 15 years time to complete the 'chennai metro' in entirety.

Fine guys. Let the DPR come. Atleast I am willing to consider both sides of the argument. If it turns out to be stupid, I would call it stupid.

our arguments will become waste if low capacity mono was awarded and all monorails lines orginating from parrys! hope that does not happen.:)

b/w this is my dream for monorail lines!!

bigger picture!

http://i52.tinypic.com/o022b.jpg

Arul, This is just the current suburb+MRTS+metro right? Only the green lines are new and even that has a large overlap with the metro phase 2.

Arul, This is just the current suburb+MRTS+metro right? Only the green lines are new and even that has a large overlap with the metro phase 2.
I'm guessing so.

I did see his post. And in case you are blind to selective posts, please go through what shivakumar posted earlier before blabbering further. And do take your time to learn about why and where these two monorail lines are located.

lol...so you mean that admk supporters don't visit anna library or watch movies produced by koronanidhi's grandsons? Talk sense and stick to the topic of the thread.

Lol. You should be the last one to talk about sticking to topic.

Create your own thread and keep ranting there.Noone actually wants to read your senseless rants in this thread.

Lol. You should be the last one to talk about sticking to topic.

Create your own thread and keep ranting there.Noone actually wants to read your senseless rants in this thread.
Now now, don't start a fight.

Lol. You should be the last one to talk about sticking to topic.

Create your own thread and keep ranting there.Noone actually wants to read your senseless rants in this thread.

Sir pleaseee....

PTC has invited expression of interest in ET from Firms for building Monorail on BOOT basis. The last date of submission is Sep 2011. The monorail work can be commenced by this year .This is going to be private funded project. Hope L&T bags this as they already have done mumbai Mono the only one monorail project in India.

^^ Can you post the link for it?

^^

good news... any tender doc released for this?


Arul, This is just the current suburb+MRTS+metro right? Only the green lines are new and even that has a large overlap with the metro phase 2.

IT corridor, north chennai is not in metro phases or neither they conducted any feasibility study. Yes Porur Mylapore matches with metro.

I saw this in today's ET. Searched in net for online link. But ET site nor PTC site has the tender details.

If someone can, take a snap or a scan and upload ...

Here it is guys. Thanks to Arun.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=ETNEW&BaseHref=ETBG/2011/08/15&PageLabel=17&ForceGif=true&EntityId=Ad01703&ViewMode=HTML

I am a little skeptical about the BOOT method. The two metros (Bom and Hyd) implemented this way is clearly slower than when the govts fund directly (like our own metro). Getting financial closure might take long for the constructing company. Hope a consortium of L&T and a Japanese (Mitsubishi or Hitachi) company wins it. The tenders are to be opened on sep 28th. So till then we have to wait with batted breath.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1601/monorailtender.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/monorailtender.jpg/)

With each passing day, chief minister J. Jayalalithaa’s pet project monorail is gaining speed.

The government is taking all possible efforts to implement monorail, the mass rapid transit system for Chennai metropolitan area (CMA), as early as possible.

Metropolitan transport corporation (MTC), the implementing agency and the monopoly passenger transport operator in Chennai, which has proposed to provide monorail in selected four corridors, in its international notification on Monday, has invited bids from developers of national and international companies.

The developer will be responsible to design, develop, construct, finance, own, implement, complete, maintain and transfer (DBFOT) the project.

“We have identified four corridors for implementing the monorail scheme in the city which would be mainly based on the Chennai comprehensive transportation study (CCTS) conducted by CMDA. We would be able to give a clear picture in a day or two about the corridors covering a length of 111 km,” highly-placed sources told DC on Monday.

However, the alignment of the monorail may fall in the stretches of Pallavaram –Kundrathur-Poonamallee; Avadi-Ambattur-Padi; and Ambattur-Puzhal–Madhavaram. Mr R. Krishnamurthy, chief consultant of Wilbert Smith, who conducted CCTS for CMDA, explained about the corridors suggested by the agency in 2008.

“In order to cater to the ever-growing population of the city and to attract the private vehicle-users towards the public transport system, it is proposed in Chennai comprehensive transportation study to introduce the monorail scheme in Pallavaram-Koyambedu (via Kundrathur); Sriperumbudur–Porur–Luz-Light house; Ambattur –Puzhal-Madhavaram along with another stretch,” said Mr Krishnamurthy.

MTC has prescribed the criteria for the applicants.

The applicant should have been awarded on a BOOT/DBFOT basis an urban rail project with a minimum continuous route length of 37 km besides demonstrating a minimum shareholders’ networth of Rs 500 crore.

The last date for submission of bids is September 28. Prior to that, a pre-bid meeting would be held in the city on September 7, an official said.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/bids-invited-monorail-project-112

^^ Tats good news. It'll do a good combo with metro Phase II routes, I guess?

Good news...:cheers:

1. Pallavaram –Kundrathur-Poonamallee;
2. Avadi-Ambattur-Padi; and
3. Ambattur-Puzhal–Madhavaram

or

1. Pallavaram-Koyambedu (via Kundrathur);
2. Sriperumbudur–Porur–Luz-Light house;
3. Ambattur –Puzhal-Madhavaram

2nd set route is looking good for integration with Metro, suburban. Amattur-Puzhal-Madhavaram can phase out from Koyamedu or Thirumangalam metro station and can end up at Thiruvotiyur via Puzhal, Madhavaram and Manali. This will cover the north chennai ring in one shot. But my fav IT corridor monorail is missing.:ohno:

such routes not even found in old proposal! Hope they don't go by old one!

http://www.thehindubusinessline.in/2006/02/03/images/2006020302161902.jpg

why did they selected routes outside "Chennai" City on phase 1...
Though, Pallavaram-Kunrathur traffic is heavy and sure it is going to be hit,
... but it is disappointing to see no routes planned within the city.. or in OMR..
so do they plan BRTS for OMR and hence decided against monorail?

Good news...:cheers:

But my fav IT corridor monorail is missing.:ohno:

such routes not even found in old proposal! Hope they don't go by old one!



I hope IT corridor route will be metro, Once chennai metro rail ltd take over the mrts. Its easy to merge the routes also.

I dont know much about monorail routes locations. How this routes? It should be hit in collection wise, otherwise its hard to maintain and also for new routes.

Porur 2 light house route will be hit like anything.. that sure.

Finally South asia detroit is getting ready to shine. :cheers: