...i like this design! and i think it's great they gonna build this!!

ur joking right.

maybe he was sent by nakheel.

I don;t think we should complain because i am much happier they are building it that when a stupid rumour said it wasn`t its better for Dubai`s reputation and will include towers

if it would be canceled it would suck ass

Face Sucker Island ?

what..!??
yepp it wouldn't be useful if they cancel, but a redesign would be nice :D

Or delay it big time, after the Waterfront. ;)

lol
am here since 10 days or so and have not yet been to the rooftop!
hope to get some updates asap

wanted to get some updates today
the palm is already connected to the continent and there is a huge caterpillar on the trunk

so today is friday and on my way to ras al khaimah i checked the palm deira entrance and WALKED ON THE PALM DEIRA!!!

nice feeling, just ships reclaiming land, nobody else, so i walked on the trunk a little bit

no photos, my camera took 30 minutes to recover from the heat in the car!!! too humid


so, when you want to WALK THE PALM, go there on friday, nobody there

maybe on our forum meet on any friday???

why were u coming to rak

1) get out of city
2) checking the new highway from rak to dubai airport
3) checking al hamra village

btw - if anyone wants, take an suv, 4x4 or whatever and drive over the trunk with a car
possible as well
should be fun!

go for it. D-L you have been to BD and Palm Deira now lol.
how was Al Hamra. crappy imo?

The Palm, Deira connects to mainland Dubai

A significant step has been taken in the creation of the third and last chapter in The Palm trilogy, with Nakheel, Dubai's premier real estate developer, announcing that reclaimed land on The Palm, Deira has been connected to mainland Dubai.

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/5/16805-palmdeira.jpg
The Palm connecting to the mainland.

Last month Nakheel revealed that 50 million cubic metres of sand has already been reclaimed on The Palm, Deira - more than 55% of the total material used to create The Palm, Jumeirah. Further progress has been made, with more land reclaimed, including the area which joins the island to the shoreline of Dubai. For the first time, land vehicles will be able to travel on to the island, thus expediting the construction process. Access to the island will be on a stretch of reclaimed land close to Al Hamriya Port.

Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem, Executive Chairman Nakheel, was the first person to make the over-land journey from Deira to The Palm, Deira and commented: 'The Palm, Deira's connectivity with Deira is a fundamental element of the project. Although the island will be a city in its own right, it will also act as an extension of the existing Deira, the area on which our great city of Dubai was founded around. It was a fascinating experience to travel from Deira by car to The Palm, Deira and to look back towards our great city.

'Deira has played a vital role in the history of Dubai and it seems fitting that the last chapter in The Palm trilogy will be completed there, perfectly bringing together the old with the new. Connecting the land that we have reclaimed to date with the Deira shoreline is the first step in the expansion of the historic centre and most loved section of Dubai, which will ultimately reinforce the importance of this area.'.

Regarding the status of land reclamation, Marwan Al Qamzi, Head of Procurement and Contracts, Nakheel, said: 'The progress of land reclamation is remarkable. This island is growing before our eyes. The reclamation of the land - the first stage in the creation of a magnificent new city for Dubai - is truly a sight to behold, especially now that we have connected the land mass to Deira. With the latest reclamation, we can now transport materials on to the island, thus moving the development on to the next level.'

The Palm, Deira was launched in November 2004, following widespread international interest and investment in The Palm, Jumeirah and The Palm, Jebel Ali. Following a series of exhaustive engineering studies, Nakheel, working with internationally renowned architects and engineers from Japan and California have completed The Palm, Deira Masterplan.

The Palm, Deira will offer numerous development opportunities, specifically on areas such as The Trunk and The Corniche. By unlocking access to waterfront communities, the development of the island will create a significant uplift in the values of Deira and enhance its existing commercial centre by placing homes near its retail, workplaces and services.

So, what part has actually been reclaimed when looking at the masterplan.
http://www.tradearabia.com/source/2005-07/16/palm.jpg

there are several islands already, huge ones
a good part of the trunk has been reclaimed already
but doesn't look like a trunk yet

it's too hazy to see how much has been reclaimed out in the sea
i can see islands some 3km off-shore already

they are more than incredibly fast, believe me, the pace is overhelming

i would say most of the reclamation has been done in the area of the 2 central entrances

If anything, I would suggest we are looking at the following yellow circle. I doubt its a temp access.

http://ketir.net/albums/album10/palm1.jpg

nope we don't
in the area you've marked there is nothing yet
move the yellow circle to the next entrance to the right
all in all there maybe is 1% reclaimed yet, at least as far as you can see
it's quite hazy above the sea, but i don't think they have started reclamation work some 10km off-shore yet

Hmm, interesting. I was wondering how they would get the 1m trucks with rocks and sand needed through this heavy-populated part of Deira.

Btw, thanks for the 12-08-05 update on Emporis! :)

some close-ups

http://tinypic.com/aoqdj7.jpg

http://tinypic.com/aoqdyb.jpg

http://tinypic.com/aoqe1g.jpg

And to think you went out and took these pics in the 50C heat :)

already dirty .lol.
i am still frightened of how this will influence environment.

D-L: Can you please make an arrow in the pic where you made your pics ?

http://tinypic.com/ap7k03.jpg

The beaches in Dubai have problem. Could it be possible that the palms are the reason for this?

photo taken from where red spot is
the area i've marked yellow was a parking lot back then

the area has been closed now and is empty

http://tinypic.com/ap8adi.jpg

The beaches in Dubai have problem. Could it be possible that the palms are the reason for this?


Probably, they weren't like this before the palms started getting built. I was hoping to come back and read that this project was cancelled, I'm disappointed now!

Palm Deira reaches the mainland
15-Aug-2005

http://www.gowealthy.com/images/news/news_195_2_100.jpg
Latest developments on Palm Deira.

A significant step has been taken in the creation of the third and last chapter in The Palm trilogy, with Nakheel, Dubai's premier real estate developer, announcing that reclaimed land on The Palm, Deira has been connected to mainland Dubai.

Last month Nakheel revealed that 50 million cubic metres of sand has already been reclaimed on The Palm, Deira - more than 55% of the total material used to create The Palm, Jumeirah. Further progress has been made, with more land reclaimed, including the area which joins the island to the shoreline of Dubai. For the first time, land vehicles will be able to travel on to the island, thus expediting the construction process. Access to the island will be on a stretch of reclaimed land close to Al Hamriya Port.

Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem, Executive Chairman Nakheel, was the first person to make the over-land journey from Deira to The Palm, Deira and commented: "The Palm, Deira's connectivity with Deira is a fundamental element of the project. Although the island will be a city in its own right, it will also act as an extension of the existing Deira, the area on which our great city of Dubai was founded around."

Regarding the status of land reclamation, Marwan Al Qamzi, Head of Procurement and Contracts, Nakheel, said: "The progress of land reclamation is remarkable. This island is growing before our eyes. The reclamation of the land - the first stage in the creation of a magnificent new city for Dubai - is truly a sight to behold, especially now that we have connected the land mass to Deira. With the latest reclamation, we can now transport materials on to the island, thus moving the development on to the next level."

The Palm, Deira was launched in November 2004, following widespread international interest and investment in The Palm, Jumeirah and The Palm, Jebel Ali. Following a series of exhaustive engineering studies, Nakheel, working with internationally renowned architects and engineers from Japan and California have completed The Palm, Deira Masterplan.

The Palm, Deira will offer numerous development opportunities, specifically on areas such as The Trunk and The Corniche. By unlocking access to waterfront communities, the development of the island will create a significant uplift in the values of Deira and enhance its existing commercial centre by placing homes near its retail, workplaces and services.

Source : http://www.gowealthy.com/realestate/news/195/index.htm

got that already.
now construction will speed up again.

when palm deira supose to be finish???

in about 2012 according to nakheel
just the land reclamation takes 5 years!

maybe until then they can sell more plots for development to the private sector

i'm sure there are these 2 points which make the project not feasible at the moment
it's too far away somehow

we will see

The beaches in Dubai have problem. Could it be possible that the palms are the reason for this?
What is the problem with the beaches? I only see rocks... Not much of a beach.

because the photo covers maybe 5 % of the dubai coastline excluding palm jumeirah.

of course the palms have impacts on the beaches, the waves are almost totally gone of course.

not there was swell of any size to begin with

http://news.mongabay.com/2005/0823-tina_butler_dubai.html
It is not the waves Trances! I looked it up on google and if you look really good you can find troublesome news hidden between all the developments..... This is NOT good. I fear the worst....

The Price of "The World": Dubai's Artificial Future

While there have been numerous articles written recently about the proliferation of artificial island projects, the astounding "The World" venture among them, few have addressed or assessed the environmental impact of such massive undertakings and the transformation of both the sea and landscape. Until recently, Nakheel, the government-controlled corporation developing these ambitious projects, has been able to focus predominantly on promoting rather than defending the islands, but new evidence of environmental detriment is bringing the company and its projects under fire from certain groups.


Inspired by the three artificial palm tree-themed islands projects that are nearing completion, The World is a heady $14 billion endeavor, consisting of 300 individual islands arranged to mimic the shape of the globe's landmasses. Ranging in size from five to 20 acres, and with 50 to 100 meters of water separating each island, the total area encompasses just over 20 square miles. The development is located about two and a half miles off the coast of Dubai city. Islands go for $7 million to $35 million each.

From the air, The World and Palm projects create a highly visible impression on the landscape of Dubai. And back down at sea level, significant changes in the marine environment are leaving a visual scar of another type. As a result of the dredging and redepositing of sand for the construction of the islands, the typically crystalline waters of the gulf of Dubai have become severely clouded with silt. Construction activity is damaging the marine habitat, burying coral reefs, oyster beds and subterranean fields of sea grass, threatening local marine species as well as other species dependent on them for food. Oyster beds have been covered in as much as two inches of sediment, while above water, beaches are eroding with the disruption of natural currents.


Palm Island on April 1st, 2005. Photo courtesy of NASA
The profound underwater changes currently taking place as a result of construction are only matched by the grandiose vision of Nakheel developers. Plans for one palm island project, The Palm, Jumeirah, includes an artificial diving park complete with four themed areas from which enthusiasts can choose One area called Snorkler's Cove will feature traditional marine life as well as an added incentive--a daily deposit of a single solid gold one-kilogram bar, worth $15,629 at current gold prices. Developers also intend to transfer and sink several wrecks for a more dramatic diving experience. Project backers assert that such additions will actually help attract fish and other marine life by providing shelter and leading to reef expansion and community diversification.

This optimistic outlook aside, another archipelago project, the Palm Jebel Ali, is located in a formerly protected marine reserve. The management of Jebel Ali marine reserve, the Arabian Gulf's second most biodiverse marine system, was taken away from the Dubai Municipality Protected Areas Unit and passed over to Nakheel developers to build the island. Few can argue that the replacement of these natural formations with artificial structures can be a true substitute for what is being destroyed and result in a net gain in marine biodiversity. Further, ecologists fear that standardizing of the marine environment will alienate native species and encourage the likely introduction of new, foreign and possibly destructive species.


Environmentalists' concerns about the present state of Dubai's waters are not without warrant. Coral reefs and their associated mangrove and sea grass habitats function on varied levels, providing a number of integral services. Among these values are the provision of food and shelter for a wide range of marine species, the protection of coastal regions from storms, the prevention of coastal erosion and the support of commercial fishing and recreational activities--namely scuba diving and sport fishing.

Troubled waters are nothing new for Dubai or any other marine region. The health of the coral reefs has been in a state of continuous decline over the past 50 years. The Arabian Gulf is one of the most grievously affected areas, with recent estimates of habitat loss pegged at 35 percent. Increases in temperature and salinity have previously been attributed as the leading factors in reef habitat degradation, but the new pressure from dredging serves only to exacerbate the declining state of the environment.

Nakheel concedes that its various artificial archipelago projects have indeed buried reefs and changed the environment, but argues that the company will try to alleviate and even reverse some of the detrimental effects by building artificial reefs upon completion of the islands. What is more, the company has employed a marine biologist to monitor and rehabilitate damaged reefs. Imad Haffar, the research and development manager of Nakheel predicts local fauna will flourish in the newly constructed environment, but ecologists fear otherwise.

Environmentalists and scuba divers alike report that so much silt has been stirred up from dredging that organisms and the reef itself are slowly being choked by the sediment particles. The current activity has essentially destroyed Dubai's diving industry even if temporarily, and enthusiasts have left the area for clearer waters. Once dredging and construction are complete, the waters should clear, but will anyone recognize what has been left behind?

so now, we all know that there are occuring difficulties with this heavy changes done by nakheel, and the palms are and will impact environment.
this is bad indeed, we will see.
what makes me hope that the situation could improve that nakheel is government controlled, and government knows that if they destroy beaches and marine life and the sea itself, not much tourists will remain.
so they know they have to care about the environment, + they have the money to do it, they can afford the best professionals in this subject to reduce the impact and improve the situation. this has never been done before,so for now you can only guess what will happen, there will be changes, how dramatically and better or worse , we will see.
in every case i think government will so everything in order to keep the sea alive.

When they say they'll build artificial reefs and stuff to compensate, I'm not too sure about this. New species will probably be attracted to these and that's not necessarily a good thing as it disrupts the balance of the habitat. These new animals might kill a lot of the others that were there before. Also some unwanted animals could appear such as those sharks everyone was talking about a few months ago.

The best way to avoid huge environmental problems IMO would be to redesign the land reclamation projects so they have minimal impact. The first 2 palms are already built but it's not too late for Palm Deira. It's the biggest one and could cause the most problems. To me, the way it sticks out like a sore thumb also suggests not much was considered for the environment.

everyone thinks palm deira should be redesigned...

And maybe someone from Nakheel reads this forum and will take all our suggestions :)

*doubt*

And maybe someone from Nakheel reads this forum and will take all our suggestions :)

They will only give a stupid reply like the one in Palm Jumeriah`s thread.

I have no confidence that the situation will improve... The 'specialist' that should protect the wildlife now works for nakheel.... Since Nakheel IS partly government there is nothing that will stop it. Even the press remains silent! The press in Dubai is primarily a marketing machine for the developers. Anything negative is brushed away with (self?) censorship... I think this will change but for the gulf it will be too late.

I think they will shoot themselves in the foot when they find out nobody goes to Dubai anymore because you can't see anything under water. This is the case with Cyprus, a small island in the mediteranian where people used to like to dive. Every fish has been fished and there is nothing to see anymore... Result: Tourists go elsewhere.

Putting artificial shipwrecks and other bullshit in place will not compensate. It only turns diving into a Disneyland ride and in that case... I prefer the Disney ride. :-)

Check this out. It looks like they've added some of the roads and stuff on palm deira: http://www.gis.gov.ae/en/downloads/pdfs/Major Projects.pdf

Maybe these are plots for development? :dunno:

think these are plots.
nothing important new in the map though.
no PS , no dubai waterfront...

Business | Real Estate Property
Published: 20/9/2005, 08:04 (UAE)

Nakheel denies reports of slowdown in construction of giant projects
By Saifur Rahman, Staff Reporter

Dubai: Nakheel, the Dubai government-owned master developer, denied recent media reports of a slowdown in the construction of the World and the Palm Deira projects.
James Wilson, Nakheel's chief executive, told Gulf News, "Work on the World and Palm Deira is going on as per scehdule. We have not slowed down works.

...

The Palm Deira and Deira Corniche together will be ten times the size of the Palm Jumeirah.

"We have already mobilised 50 per cent of the 1.5 billion cubic metres of earth and 50 million tonnes of rocks at the Palm Deira," he said. "This is the largest reclamation effort in the world and will be the size of San Francisco."


http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/BusinessNF.asp?ArticleID=182735

i don't understand what they're talking about
i can see the progress daily and maybe 1% of the palm deira is above sea level at the moment

mhm maybe the clue is to be found in the 'mobilised' but not recalimed maybe.
anyway.
the size of san francisco is damn huge.

Hi guys, back from my weeks Dubai trip. Was supercool. Here are some pics from the Palm Deira taken on board EK55 to DUS.

http://tinypic.com/ebdms5.jpg

http://tinypic.com/ebdn2o.jpg

http://tinypic.com/ebdn4n.jpg

That's probably >1%

Yeah, probably. Would be great to lay renders of the Deira Palm on this to get a better picture.

that is not much indeed.
well anyway, thank for the updates!
it will speed up now it's connected to the mainland.notice maritime city in the background!

At least they've started the creation of the island :D.

In one of the articles posted here, maybe the one where they first talked about the partnership with Donald Trump, Nakheel's chairman said that they have stopped selling plots on Palm Deira becouse of the long time till the reclamation will be compleated.

Are they saying the full truth or they're are just acting responsibly?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml;jsessionid=KWMTPPKDTWTPZQFIQMFCM5OAVCBQYJVC?xml=/property/2005/08/20/ppalm20.xml OK. it is about Palm Jumeirah but in a way it also belongs here.

In one of the articles posted here, maybe the one where they first talked about the partnership with Donald Trump, Nakheel's chairman said that they have stopped selling plots on Palm Deira becouse of the long time till the reclamation will be compleated.

Are they saying the full truth or they're are just acting responsibly?


both i assume.
it might be a reason that the plots did not sell that good as they expected.
but i also think there is more stuff behind the scenes.

yesterday
there is another bigger island to the left
i took a pic but it somehow is blurred, wrong settings on camera :stupid:

http://tinypic.com/f0ubtz.jpg

still a long was to go ;)
D-L what abt reading your camera instructions once again :D

Hello there. i dont know if this ii mentioned already (since there are hundreds of replies here and there), but I heard that Sharjah emirate accuses Dubai emirate that the Palm Diera is introduing into its waters. Is it true? and will it affect development?

something like that

but not sure. Only rumers.

So what?
it's all the same UAE!!

^ different governments and different royal familes.

You wouldnt imganine how bad relation was between those emirates in the past.

Hello there. i dont know if this ii mentioned already (since there are hundreds of replies here and there), but I heard that Sharjah emirate accuses Dubai emirate that the Palm Diera is introduing into its waters. Is it true? and will it affect development?


I doubt this 100%..... there has been alot of planning for this and something like this would have made it to the press already.

I dont think its true... :cheers:

if it is, who cares... They will built it anyway. he he he.

It's not. That's why it's leaning to the left. :D

lol

Thanks for the update, btw the photo takes a very long time to load. Took several minutes :O. JPG next time plz :P.

^^ it is JPG already! :weirdo:

Yes, now as he changed it.

Palm development caused fish deaths, say officials

Ongoing construction work on The Palm, Deira, is threatening an environmental disaster, top Sharjah officials told Gulf News yesterday. The ambitious project undertaken by Dubai-based developer Nakheel and its contractors was squarely blamed for the thousands of dead fish and dying marine life. The dead fish are washing up ashore along the Buhairah Corniche and Al Qasba Canal, they said.

In a statement released yesterday, the management of the Qasba Canal said a full investigation into the causes of the fish death was carried out. "The result of the enquiries revealed that through marine currents, the fish drifted from Dubai waters into Sharjah waters and subsequently into Qanat Al Qasba," the statement said.

Abdul Aziz Al Midfa, Director-General of Environment and Protected Areas Authority in Sharjah, told Gulf News yesterday that the environment authorities have done comprehensive tests and investigations on the dead fish and the quality of water in Sharjah. "The fish were decomposed. They did not die of chemical and biological pollution. The fish died because of construction work on sea where they are building the Palm Islands in the areas close to Sharjah," Al Midfa said.

"Construction work at Deira's artificial palm island is the main reason for the death of fish,” he said. "This has happened for the first time in this location and it will not be the last. The dead fish came with the sea currents from the south to Sharjah," he said.

Abdullah Salman Al Ameri, Director-General of Sharjah Municipality, said that the municipality had done the tests on the dead fish and issued a report. Dr Yahya Al Balooshi, Director of Environment department at Sharjah Municipality, said the two kinds of fish barracuda and Jaish found dead were not from deep waters but from the surface of the sea.

"We checked the oxygen levels and acidity of the water [in Al Qasba Canal] and also carried out tests to see if a chemical spill or a microbial disease was to blame." Tests showed the water was clean. Dubai Municipality officials, however, said there was no dead fish found in the waters around Deira palm area.

Sheikha Bodour Al Qasimi, Chairperson of the Qasba Development Authority, said: "The investigation clearly absolved Qanat Al Qasba and Sharjah of any responsibility in regard to the appearance of dead fish in our waters.”

eh? i thought the same article has already been posted here?

Nakheel awards Dh16b deal to Van Oord

WAM

Dubai: Nakheel, the leading property developer in the UAE, has awarded a Dh16 billion contract to the Dutch Van Oord Company to carry out dredging and land reclamation along a 17 kilometre stretch off the Deira coast.

http://www.gulfnews.com/images/2005/11/15_business_nakheel.jpg
Shaikh Mohammad and Dutch Prime Minister Dr. Jan Peter Balkenende, witness the signing of the agreement between Nakheel and Van Oord. Sultan Bin Sulayem, Chairman of Nakheel, and Koos Van Oord, Executive Chairman of Van Oord, are signing the agreement.


General Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Dubai Crown Prince and UAE Defence Minister, and Dutch Prime Minister Dr. Jan Peter Balkenende, yesterday attended a ceremony to sign the contract between Nakheel and Van Oord.

Sultan Bin Sulayem, Chairman of Nakheel, and Koos Van Oord, Executive Chairman of Van Oord, signed the agreement.

Under the eight-year deep-sea land reclamation contract, Van Oord will use more than one billion cubic metres of sand and 70 million tonnes of rock to dredge the 17 kilometre stretch off the Deira coast, in order to lay the foundation for the Palm Deira project.

Bin Sulayem said that 70 to 80 per cent of the world's dredging ships will work in the Palm Deira project, the first of its kind in the world. The costal area will be ready for the execution of the first phase of the project's infrastructure.

WOW... the rich keep getting richer and so on.. But i luv what I see and man i tell ya, its awesome.. I guess by 2010, dxb a city of wonders and a achiever for sure... it just a matter of time..dxb rulezzzz

Bin Sulayem said that 70 to 80 per cent of the world's dredging ships will work in the Palm Deira project, the first of its kind in the world. The costal area will be ready for the execution of the first phase of the project's infrastructure.


shit this will be hell of a mess..
guess it will be an amazing construction site, imagine the aerials we get from planes leaving DXB :eek:

but it seems like this project will really go ahead as it is...

Jan must be a very pupular Dutch name.

i think this removed all doubts about a cancellation of the project
again, once more stupid rumours brought up by dumbasses :ohno:

great news and numbers! 80% of the dredging ships in dubai!

i think this removed all doubts about a cancellation of the project
again, once more stupid rumours brought up by dumbasses :ohno:
I hope this whole thing won't crumble once built Nakheel style :runaway:

pessimistic as usual.

Of course ;)

God i love nakheel projects :P

But that means, Waterfront reclamation job will start even later.

agree.

but the first phase is existing land anyway and i am sure they will focus on madinat al arab and the palm boulevard for the beginning.

Nakheel awards Dh16b deal to Van Oord
the Palm Deira project, the first of its kind in the world. .

er.... surely the palm jumeirah was the first of its kind in the world, if not then this is a pretty specific first, the first ridiculous looking palm in the world which is bigger than the other two weve just built

^ For 3.65 billion EUR contract, they'll say whatever you want them to :D

Palm deira still has the potential to be a great project but only if Nakheel takes its job seriously and doesn't change plans halfway through construction and actually builds everything to the standard they boast about (not very likely but still some chance since I've a feeling they'll come under huge fire when palm jum is finished and residents move in)

I couldnt find the palm jumeira thread :wallbash:

The height of trump tower is 210 as was written in the newspaper today.

I talked to a sales executives and he said that it will take 8 years to finish.

that would be 2013. what we expected.. such a long time unbelievable.

Great render but...

I wonder how many extra villas there will be :D

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3475/arse54pf.jpg


Masterplan

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4015/arse62nw.jpg

SHIT looks sooo amazing... great render.

well it is denser than palm jumeirah renders so maybe more like it will turn out in reality...

wow! what a Masterplan! :applause:

but golf course on crown?!?! that's just... wrong :D

there is no football ground for the kids to play even in a palm as big as NEwyork

^^ Actually there are. On the spine there are a few.

Thing is though, I think they could do without that golf course at the top and turn it into a really nice public park instead :cheers:

Looks fantastic IMO. The villa's look well spaced but so did the ones on the rendering's of the Palm Jumeirah ;)

golf course :rofl:

now i know what they're doing with that huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge parking lot which is closed since 1 year..... a harbour :eek:

what has been reclaimed so far is the area on the bottom right and around the 2 civic centres on the bottom right

What's a civic centre though? A business park?

something like a community center

so let's hope for schools, hospitals.. etc...

:cheers: :tyty: :yes: :applause:

so let's hope for schools, hospitals.. etc...
My confidence in Nakheel is starting to grow again as they seem to be getting their act together, but I still wouldn't buy offplan from them. Anyway, I looked at the jumeirah village pdf and they say that project will have plenty of these kind of services.

oh f*ck. You must be kidding... :eek2:

Big rumor is that there may be long delay for this project by nakheel (a few years maybe). Dont shoot me, im just telling what i heard.

expect some kind of announcing.

I doubt this is a surprise. Look at the size of the fucking thing!!

as I said before, they already said that it will take 8 years.

2015 for everything?

^ am not sure, maybe the houses only?

by pearl of the gulf

http://tinypic.com/iyq100.jpg

Investors in the Palm Deira are being given the chance to cancel their investments, or transfer to another development, after Nakheel announced a minimum ten-year wait until completion. Acccording to a company statement, the reclamation itself may take at least six years.

and you are who, exactly?
source?

well they might have known it will take til 2015 for the whole project but that is ok.
i think nakheel is aware of the fact a lot of people will not buy 10 years ahead.
nevertheless i doubt they will redesign it,
if everything runs as expected there will be demand for this in 2010...

Investors in the Palm Deira might not get possession of their properties for the next 10 years, according to a statement sent by Nakheel, the project developer, to the homeowners.

“The project as a whole might involve a minimum period of 10 years until completion. The rea son behind this is that the land reclamation itself may take approximately six years in total to achieve.

“Thereafter comes the infrastructure, which includes construction of the roads and bridges, and this will take roughly two years to complete. Finally, construction of homes and buildings may require a further two years,” the statement said.

Earlier, Nakheel signed a contract of Dh16 billion with Van Oord, a dredging and marine company with an international reputation. The firm will be responsible for the digging and filling of Palm Deira.

The Palm Deira is approximately 18km long by 9km wide with a surface area of 4,000 hectares. The land reclamation will entail moving 1 billion cubic metres of sands and 40 million tonnes of rock.

“After studying the procedures that have to be taken, Van Oord has informed us of the probable duration that reclamation may need,” the statement said.

Nakheel called on all of its customers who invested in the Palm Deira and who are unhappy with the estimated delay in the project to visit them to decide whether they want to transfer their investments into other Nakheel developments or cancel their investments.

Palm Deira is the third island after the Palm Jebel Ali and Palm Jumeirah. Nakheel is the developer of these islands.

Palm Deira is a residential, commercial and tourism island and it is being built opposite the old section of the city of Dubai, next to Hyatt Regency Hotel.

The estimated completion time was initially eight years, and it was estimated to use 250,000 cubic metres of sand, and 70 million tonnes of rocks.

The project consists of two sections.The first is development of the beach, which includes four main islands and jetties.The second section of the Palm consists of the stem, with 40 fronds coming out of it, and a wave breaker that includes 13 islands.

and you are who, exactly?
source?

well they might have known it will take til 2015 for the whole project but that is ok.
i think nakheel is aware of the fact a lot of people will not buy 10 years ahead.
nevertheless i doubt they will redesign it,
if everything runs as expected there will be demand for this in 2010...

wake up it's all over the news.

The Palm 10 year wait
Investors in the Palm Deira are being given the chance to cancel their investments, or transfer to another development, after Nakheel announced a minimum ten-year wait until completion. Acccording to a company statement, the reclamation itself may take at least six years.
United Arab Emirates: 6 hours, 29 minutes ago


... too long investment...

ok i get it now, but that is nothing new at all is it??
but actually i did not think nakheel would be so costumer friendly and give the possibility to cancel the investments..

It's a surprise anyway. Thought they would ignore this or something like that. Nakheel seem to be changing for the better and are becoming more transparant. Hope this continues.

well, seem to be changing for the better...
i am not a fan of nakheel but anyway what was so bad till today?
JI, yes ok point taken but this development consists of hundreds of villas, no doubt problems occur..
and it also looks like they care of every environmental problems occuring at palm jumeirah!
nothing bad till today, except the beach thing, but also this will be taken care of, we already read about this months ago. :)

i am in quite a good mood today ;)

The Palm 10 year wait
Investors in the Palm Deira are being given the chance to cancel their investments, or transfer to another development, after Nakheel announced a minimum ten-year wait until completion. Acccording to a company statement, the reclamation itself may take at least six years.
United Arab Emirates: 6 hours, 29 minutes ago


... too long investment...


6 years, wow, that's a long time.

i am in quite a good mood today ;)

Nice to hear that, So after all it seems that speed dating is working well with you :D:D:D

Investors in the Palm Deira are being given the chance to cancel their investments, or transfer to another development, after Nakheel announced a minimum ten-year wait until completion. Acccording to a company statement, the reclamation itself may take at least six years.


Any chances that they will cancel this project :D.

Maybe it is all the prayers that SSC forumers were doing for so long :D:D

well i don't even want it to be cancelled, just a redesign, it does not have to be smaller either, just less fronds and.. well more like a palm ;)

i doubt they will cancel this. actually i am sure they cannot.
but i love their advertising, makes me excited somehow..
"welcome to the final chapter in the story of a legend"

They won't cancel it. If they did it would be a disaster since everyone's confidence would go. Pushing it back like this is a good idea

The metric system is the devil. How big will Deria be in miles?

The metric system is the devil. How big will Deria be in miles?

11.18 miles long by 5.59 miles wide...

^^ Nope. Too big

14.3 km
8.5 km

converts to

8.9 miles
5.3 miles

Divide km by 1.6 and you get miles :cheers:

^^ Nope. Too big

14.3 km
8.5 km

converts to

8.9 miles
5.3 miles

Divide km by 1.6 and you get miles :cheers:

I used these dimensions to convert it to miles....
The Palm Deira is approximately 18km long by 9km wide with a surface area of 4,000 hectares. The land reclamation will entail moving 1 billion cubic metres of sands and 40 million tonnes of rock.


thats why I got a larger size... :)

btw which are correct now?
i think smussuw's?

His are probably right. Looking at the renders it looks about twice as long as it is wide. Do you've any idea how fckin huge this is. A few months ago I walked home from a friend who lives 10 miles away, out in the county. That took AGES and I was wrecked. This thing's longer!! :eek:

well, manhattan or paris, to compare ;)

i should take my camera upstairs again
it's growing so fucking fast

you deleated my celebration... Mr dubai loving meanie.

Palm Deira will not be called off
By Mohammad Ezz Al Deen, Staff Reporter

Dubai: Nakheel, the leading property developer in the UAE, yesterday denied media reports that it was calling off the Palm Deira project.

"The project is expected to be completed as plan-ned, and villas will be handed over to their owners after 10 years according to estimates by the Dutch-based dredging company Van Oord," a company source said.

Letters have been sent to owners and buyers of villas in the project, informing them they will receive their villas after 10 years, the source added.

Speaking to Gulf News, Sultan Ahmad Bin Sula-yem, Executive Chairman of Nakheel, said that the Deira Palm project will not be called off.

Bin Sulayem said: "These are just baseless reports, which are meant to distort the image of the company and its success.

Strategic importance

"There is no way to cancel the project, which has already made a significant headway in addition to being of strategic importance to Dubai from residential, tourism and commercial aspects."

Land reclamation works are being conducted within a specific timeframe. The company's letters to investors are meant to explain to them that the reports are rumours, Bin Sulayem said.

"Investors who bought villas in the project have understood our message clearly and appreciated our transparency and frankness," he added.

He said that experts expected the project to take at least 10 years to be ready of which six years will be for deepsea land reclamation works alone, two years for infrastructure works and two years to build the villas.

"Since they have signed the contracts with us, investors know that the Palm Deira is not a set of villas or a residential district, but an integral city being built out in the sea," Bin Sulayem said.

"Investors are also fully aware of the size of the project, which is a massive one and is the first of its kind in the world.

They know that it is not meant for short-term investments, because it is 10 times bigger than the Palm Jumeirah and needs great efforts to be completed," Bin Sulayem said.

The Palm Deira project was announced in 2004. Nakheel estimated then that it would take 10 years to complete.

Now that work is under way, however, Nakheel has postponed the completion date by two years, from 2013 to 2015, based on estimates from Van Oord.

Nakheel said the initial contracts signed with investors did not include a specific delivery date for the residential units. Instead, the company marketed its project on the basis of a 10-year term for completion.

Investments

According to the company's sales centre, only a few investors decided to withdraw their investments. A large number of them chose to transfer their investments to other Nakh-eel projects, such as the Palm Jumeirah, International City and Discovery Gardens.

The company said it does not deduct any percentage of down payments made by those who wanted to withdraw from the project.

But owners whose 10 per cent down payment was waived as a gift from General Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Defence Minister, will not receive a refund. They can, however, still benefit from the gift by transferring their investment to another project to soon be announced by Nakheel, the company said.

lol that gift storry is awesome. typical dubai.

well it was obvious they would not cancel this, but there must have been a looot of rumours if they speak so frankly now.

but it sounds more and more like this is real long term govt planning and not just nakheel, because this project costs nakheel billions and they do not sell a lot.

i think a lot of people who bought took the oppotunity to withdraw the investment as a present after realizing there is not much of a premium to be won in these days.

Retired teachers got this 10% including my mother that is why I use in Nakheel's office two weeks ago.

The sales executive said that we can sell the 10% for 380,000 as the prices of the house is 3,800,000.

Palm Deira will not be called off :hahano:

Not sure if this is good news or bad news !

being optimistic i would say it is good.
it would have damaged dubai's reputation.
i am sure nakheel will take care of this project and , as they say, will make it a city for its own.
the only thing is traffic in deira and environment.
first thing, well a huge interchange along sharjah border would be a good idea, and environment, well we will see.

They can, however, still benefit from the gift by transferring their investment to another project to soon be announced by Nakheel, the company said.
??

i guess it is part of the jumeirah projects.

let's just hope it's not a new project
it's enough for now
they should focus on the current projects, it's a hell lot of work!

I thought it could be referring to Dubai Waterfront project? There can't be another one that we know nothing about.....can it? :?.

Yeah, its probably the next section of that, they already released medinat al arab, so which section will be next?

the guy told me that they will move the houses to jumeira village, not sure about the accuracy of what he have said though :D

Palm Deira is a WOWer.

a wower in terms of how hideous an artificial island can look, yes.

Ok from what i have heard from a guy who sells real estate, mainly palm deira.

the project has effectivly been canceled and radicly resesigned, not in terms of shape, but land use.

the original plan was to make it like a very big palm deira, this was eventuay changed to be more of a 'city wirthin a city' approach. however now they are completly changing it, taking villas off most of the fronds and appartments instead, the side of the crescent next to port rashid, will become a port for small vessels and dhows.

also a cruise ship terminal somewhere in their too.

and a new tunnel under the creek to link palm deira with bur dubai.

that tunnel things sounds good.
and you wanted to say palm jumeirah in your third sentence?!

well that is really interesting, so it will be more like dubai waterfront in palm shape.

Ok from what i have heard from a guy who sells real estate, mainly palm deira.

the project has effectivly been canceled and radicly resesigned, not in terms of shape, but land use.

the original plan was to make it like a very big palm deira, this was eventuay changed to be more of a 'city wirthin a city' approach. however now they are completly changing it, taking villas off most of the fronds and appartments instead, the side of the crescent next to port rashid, will become a port for small vessels and dhows.

also a cruise ship terminal somewhere in their too.

and a new tunnel under the creek to link palm deira with bur dubai.


WOW! :eek: that is some change! It will look awesome if this is indeed what they have decided to do with it. :D :cheers:

^ Yeah replacing villas with apartments is a big change. :D

Seriously, Nick is saying that the shape is not changed and replacing villas with apartments will only increase the amount of traffic going in and out of there. A Cruise ship terminal was on the original plans also. Just check the supersized render, and it is on the big land mase at the bottom.

if this is for real i bet we will never read anything about it in the media

this could turn out to be quite good then when it's a bit more spacious

less villas means a less packed island

hopefully they will have public beaches, parks, a few nice villas, apartment buildings
harbors, shops, museums, gallerys,..

it should become a palm island for everyone

sounds like a much better concept than building another super massive luxurious project

what do you guys say?

Dennis, you make it sound like puffy white clouds, fluffy bunnies and bright red hearts.

It sounds so much better now. :D

indeed indeed. he's good at this stuff.

but i agree palm jum is more or less the residential island, while palm jebel ali focusses on entertainment, and palm deira should be a part of the city of dubai, which means well connected etc, museums etc.

arrrghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! look at my post count!!!!!!!:bash:

699 before and now 666!!!!!!!! whats going on? :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

surely you mean 671 :D

surely you mean 671 :D

cheeky! :tongue2:

how the heck are you? u back in town, then?

maybe i should become a city planner and masterplan developer
i should send my cv and job application to nakheel and their projects will from then onwards be of the greatest success mankind has ever seen :D

it just came to my mind
never thought about this actually
for me it was another island with thousands of villas
it's been there but i never cared about palm deira


if they make it some kind of a social and cultural meeting point with the things i required this will be my fav project


"island for everyone", the new motto, i like that

just imagine what kinds of stuff you could build there apart from villas and residences

zoos, libraries, beaches, harbors, museums, galleries, schools, parks, gardens, small hotels, golf course, sports parks, stadiums of any size, helicopter platforms, watchtowers, wildlife sanctuaries, exhibition space, kindergarden, universities, shopping boulevards along the beach, boat rental, concert arenas, restaurants, edutainment parks for children and families,...

design different districts with different themings and architecture

i will guarantee you, people will go on a pilgrimage and make this the hottest place in town!

if just a good traffic connection will be built ...

but i agree with you, this could be amazing
actually it is the way they want to go with palm jebel ali, more like an entertainment palm...

hey i could send this to nakheel "palm jebel ali-the entertainment palm :D"

anyway go for it dennis, why not. nakheel is searching for people like you i am sure. german quality and everything. just apply, there you go: http://www.nakheel.com/careers.aspx?sectionid=1&subpageid=6

cheeky! :tongue2:

how the heck are you? u back in town, then?

yeah, are you still at uni? :cheers:
to be on topic, yes i agree DL :D

yeah, are you still at uni? :cheers:
to be on topic, yes i agree DL :D

all done now! :D

What about palm dira airport city? :D:D:D

From todays papers.....

Published: 01/13/2006 12:00 AM (UAE)

A new city is rising from the sea

By Nermeen Elkady, Staff Reporter


Dubai: A new city will rise from the sea when the Palm Deira is complete.

The luxurious offshore development one of three palm shaped islands being built by Nakheel along Dubai's coastline will be home to more than one million residents. And there may never be a need to return to the mainland as the city will include a host of malls, clubs and sporting facilities.

Controversy has surrounded the projects recently with some reports suggesting disgruntled homeowners will have to wait up to ten years before they can move onto the island allegations which Nakheel has denied.

The developer has so far sold about 40 per cent of the project's first phase.

"The projects are built in stages, so whatever is finished is handed over to us for development, the thing that may take the longest time are the hotels because they are built by individual developers," said Nakheel spokeswoman Tammy Farha. She adamantly denied Nakheel was calling off the Palm Deira project or sales had been frozen after Dutch-based dredging company Van Oord estimated land reclamation could take up to eight years.

Van Oord was awarded the Dh16 billion contract to build the Deira site including the Corniche and the Palm. The area is almost twice the size of the other two Palms at Jumeirah and Jebel Ali. Work began in 2001.

"We started with Palm Jumeirah, that was one of the first big land reclamations for the Palms. In total there is 1.2 billion cubic metres of sand for this project, protected by 70 million tonnes of rock," said Jan Schaart, director of Van Oord Gulf.

"The ships we use are special because they dredge the sand up to a depth of 35 metres of water. It brings the sand on board and takes it from the burrow area to the reclamation area," added Schaart. Dredging continues 21 hours a day, seven days a week and Van Oord has a third of its entire fleet in Dubai. The firm has also worked on the impressive World project, hundreds if islands 4km off the coast of Dubai shaped like a map of the Earth. Marwan Al Qamzi, head of procurement and contracts at Nakheel, claims the project is slightly ahead of schedule. "The progress of land reclamation is remarkable.

"With this latest reclamation project, we can now transport materials on to the island, thus moving the development on to the next level," he added.


OVER 1 million residents on Palm Deira! Woah!!!!!

So our population in 2015, would be something like this:
Dubai City: 3 Million
Dubai Waterfront: 750, 000+
Palm Deira: 1 Million +
New Dubai: 500, 000+
Dubai Airport City: 800, 000+
Total = 6.05 Million!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

pretty ambitious yes

anyway, i don't like the fact there will be 1000000 people living on this thing

you can only handle this when you build a completely new road network in deira and parts of bur dubai

this project should enclude the demolition of parts of deira close to the hyatt regency

otherwise it will be a traffic chaos, the worst you have ever seen!!!!!

well the corniche is being redeveloped as well but that is not enough, i agree.
also i think this is a bit exaggerated, they said 500.000 before.

also, a lot of hotels and holiday homes there.

How will they find 500,000 to 1,000,000 people who want buy there or live there. I think it will take a LONG time for demand to reach such a level and for that many to move in. There could be alot of empty or unsold houses on P.Deira. I can't see investors wanting to buy here and locals can't afford to. How can this work?

locals can't afford to :lrofl:

i am sure these villas will be sold when completion approaches and the situation is similar to the current situation.

Steve and Flo,

I think the idea of putting up villas all over the place has been dropped. I now think that its going to become a city all on its own, with a downtown area and hundreds of apartment blocks, instead of villas, possible reaching as high as 8-10 storeys and possibly even more dense than those apartment blocks they have constructed on the palm jumeirah. And perhaps, the houses/apartments here will be for rent rather than ownership. Thats the only way I can see 1 Million people living there.

What do u think?

i just doubt there will ever be 1m people on this palm, no matter what they are going to build there.
but i think this is better anyway.

One million is bullshit, unless people learn to FLY or Star Trek type of teletransport is introduced till then.

Replacing villas with apartment blocks is THE WORST idea they could ever come up with, even worse then the decision to construct it (Palm Deira).

;) c'mon altin.
but i agree villas are indeed better for the palm projects.
but i think most units will indeed be villas, at least i hope so.

well do u have any other ideas as to how they are going to get 1million people living on that island???

Come on, 1 million people? Only if the whole thing consists of 30F skyscrapers.

I really doubt they've gotten rid of all the villas. For a project this size there has to be a huge range and types of units. Appartment blocks of up to 10F or something will probably be near the cores. The 500,000 figure seems to be pushing it aswell I think

I wouldnt put it past them Malec... they may cram up the whole thing with apartment blocks just like the older parts of Deira and Bur Dubai. :eek:

Who knows, The core may even be home to another WTB?

I am sure if they wanted to they would be able to make it to the 1 Million mark.

of course but they won't .
you cannot build a wtb in the approach line of DXB.

i am sure there won't be towers taller than 20F on palm Deira.
maybe one centrepiece like the trump tower, but that's it.

i'd also say the core part will consist of Apt/malls/etc , the fronds, again, villas, and the outer cresent of hotels and facilities.

or it could end up looking like this:

http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us/pics/3344.jpg

:cry:

what's up with you guys?

two weeks ago after that recent stuff about palm deira we were rather happy with the project (well apart from the fact it exists) and now.. everybody is going crazy :weird:

we were rather happy with the project (well apart from the fact it exists)
:hahaha:

I don't think anyone has any clue what they will build there yet. A complete city sounds good but that means the trunk should not have any apartments, only the fronds. They will have to make it pretty amazing to be able to attract the number of people they need to make this work. Just some more malls will not work. This needs to be more exciting than Dubai Waterfront.

I guess you are right, Flo and Steve....

If it were to end up looking like this, i am sure no one would complain:
http://www.secondpagemedia.com/images/simcity4/Chatam07.jpg


:D :D :D :D :D

:rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: :hahaha: :hahaha:
face ur absolutley mental!!!!!!! LOL!

R

:rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: :hahaha: :hahaha:
face ur absolutley mental!!!!!!! LOL!

R

lol thanks! :D I think!!!! :D

sent u a message....

The masterplan?


http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4015/arse62nw.jpg

r they going to block of the entrance to the creek with south island???????????????????????????????????? or is that to separate traffic? lol!

R

Malec, that might be outdated.... i dont think the master plan is finalised, is it? 1 million people cannot be housed in the villas in that plan. What do u think?

well all i can say is that atleast we r getting another crossing...so incase all 5 r blocked u culd high tail it for P.Deira and use their interchange. and some how since they r not putting so many hotels on the cresent the 1 mill pop. maybe reached...but y r they not putting many hotels...there could have been atleast 100 just on the cresent!!!!!!
R

r they going to block of the entrance to the creek with south island???????????????????????????????????? or is that to separate traffic? lol!

R

I dunno what that South Island thing is! Scary! That looks like another bridge over the Creek. Hurrah! :cheers:

well all i can say is that atleast we r getting another crossing...so incase all 5 r blocked u culd high tail it for P.Deira and use their interchange. and some how since they r not putting so many hotels on the cresent the 1 mill pop. maybe reached...but y r they not putting many hotels...there could have been atleast 100 just on the cresent!!!!!!
R

Imagine how much traffic 100 hotels would cause!!! LOL. I am sure this will all change soon. I am sure Nakheel has lots of surprises for this Palm, yet to be announced.

I am sure there will be a WTB attempt here somewhere, maybe not on the Palm, but surely on the mainland. Heres hoping! :cheers:

imagine how much traffic there is going to be with only 3 bridges to the cresent...ok even if u include 2 tunnels...the 100 hotels would have less traffic cuz not everyone is coming and going at the same time unlike a residental area and nakheel could have their own cab company for the palms and all their developments...oops did I just give them an idea...I hope so!!!! also I think they must have moved most of their WTB attemps to the waterfront but a 500-600m tower for deira would not be bad...i would not complain. :) :cheers:


R

Well, this is actually quite recent. It was released a few weeks ago when Nakheel launched their site. 1 million is bullshit I say, even 500,000 is still a very high figure. I think it'll be more like 300,000 or so.

Well, this is actually quite recent. It was released a few weeks ago when Nakheel launched their site. 1 million is bullshit I say, even 500,000 is still a very high figure. I think it'll be more like 300,000 or so.

Interesting, though we must remember that this project is slated for completion 10 years from now and their latest announcement to turn the Island into a city isnt really inkeeping with this master plan.... What do u reckon?

Also, what do you think all those civic and neighbourhood centres are? Possibly excuses for dense residential?

or more malls...especially the big round one and the smaller ones on each "island". kinda like the strip mall idea so that u never have to leave the island...but where r the skools, hospitals, fire and police stations? those could also be "civic i guess.

R

Could be. I think that masterplan already shows it as a city. I think the civic centre will contain the usual stuff you find in a city centre such as shops, offices, etc...

this masterplan is quite recent, i think it was released the same time the article claiming it is like a city was released.

also that 1m article is not a nakheel statement, but the 500.000 is.


also I think they must have moved most of their WTB attemps to the waterfront but a 500-600m tower for deira would not be bad...i would not complain. :) :cheers:


R


DXB Airport :bash:

I think a civic centre is just a city centre area. All the necessary services should be located there.

wat abt it? oh u mean the flight path...oh rite...well how about a 350m or even 250m with a 50m spire im not fussy as long as it is 300m. :)
R

I would imagine that malls are a distinct possibility. Also, now looking at this master plan, there are loads and loads of hotel resorts and hotel plots marked off along the bottom bit and all the way up the spine. Only time will tell.....

http://tinypic.com/k4ht21.jpg

those r neighbourhood centres....they r in pink
R

DXB Airport :bash:

A minor detail....... change the flight paths. ;)

You gave us the best eg of this.... he hassle with Yaqoub near ET, but the BD, just a short distance down the road was fine. heh heh.... we will see...

I think a civic centre is just a city centre area. All the necessary services should be located there.

seems like an aweful lot of city centre areas! :runaway:

Also there's a good deal of space for hotels on the crown

wat abt it? oh u mean the flight path...oh rite...well how about a 350m or even 250m with a 50m spire im not fussy as long as it is 300m. :)
R

agreed. :D

Burj Deira, maybe? LOL :cheers:

Also there's a good deal of space for hotels on the crown

true, true.... for now, this remains designated as untouched beaches. We will see how long it stays that way...

those r neighbourhood centres....they r in pink
R

fine, so sue me! The colours chosen are poor. Should have been made more clearer for SSC forumers! :bash: :D

Actually they're town homes so poof! there go your beaches ;)
The city centre is not that big really. I think there will be some appartment blocks there too but only a few

Thanks for shattering my dream there, Malec. :tongue2:

Oh well, no beach picnics 20 km's out in the sea, then. LOL

Having just looked at the masterplan, again, I would say that the majority of the population would be housed in the Central and North islands, the spine, the trunk and on th land side bit..... they could easily house a million people in these areas alone. Just compare it to the size of Deira. It can be done. Also, the land side bit is a potential location for some super talls. :D

The masterplan is pretty impressive. First time I saw it. Trying to imagine life there at the moment.

If it turns out to be as wonderful as they say, I doubt residents will have much need to come to mainland Dubai.

Looks good so far, but we need more details.

i guarantee you there will be nothing taller than 20 floors
aircrafts will fly over the palm

the only place to build tall is far out, but who wants towers far out where you can't even see the city anymore :D

i would be glad if this project has no high-rises at all!

villas and townhouses, well spaced and palm deira will turn into something better




btw - i've read van oord, the dredging contractor removes 800.000 m3 to 1.500.000 m3 of sand weekly from the ground of the sea

multiply this by 52months x 6years :eek:

now put all this sand in one place, it would be a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge mountain

maybe this is the reason they cannot build mountain city, there is no sand anymore :D

would also say nothing taller than 20F. maybe one 50F centerpiece far out in the middle of the crescent.

i doubt there won't be highrises.
i am sure at least 50 apt buildings above 12F.

800.000 m3 to 1.500.000 m3 of sand per week
so that's average of 1 150 000m3 per week
1 150 000m3 * 52 * 6 = 358 800 000m3

for example, if they would dig a canal 50m wide & 10m deep. You would need to make that canal 717km to get 358 800 000m3 of sand :D

I wonder how they'll solve that shelving problem though. The amount of sand gone :eek:

imagine the shelving problems on the coast!!!! :eek:

And I am sure there will be one mega highrise here, atleast.... the outer crecent is the best place for this. I am sure....

well one 50F maybe but not more. would be stupid.

the shelving this is really an issue. but AFAIK now from the other palms they used mainly rock and not sand from the ground.
also they important sand from morocco.

well one 50F maybe but not more. would be stupid.

the shelving this is really an issue. but AFAIK now from the other palms they used mainly rock and not sand from the ground.
also they important sand from morocco.

afaik?

As Far As I Know ;)

ah, thanks :)

also they important sand from morocco.


Really? Dont they have enough sandin UAE?

better quality, at least for the purpose they use it.

Palm Deira, 40% sold
Nakheel has sold about 40% of the Palm Deira, reported Gulf News. A Nakheel spokeswoman denied that the project had either been called off or had frozen sales because land reclamation contractor Van Oord said the reclamation could take up to eight years.

Here's the articel:

40%of Palm Deira sold
17-Jan-2006

Reports say that Nakheel , one of the leading Dubai based real estate developers have sold 40% of the Palm Deira. The Nakheel officials have denied the rumor that either the project has been called off or had frozen sales because land reclamation contractor Van Oord said the reclamation could take up to eight years.


Palm Deira
The Palm, Deira is the largest of the three Palms islands. It is the third and the last development in The Palm series by Nakheel. The Palm, Deira merges Dubai's oldest district with the new iconic image of the palm. Located close to historic landmarks and trading ports of Deira Corniche, The Palm, Deira is a revolutionary addition to the booming freehold property development in Dubai. The Palm Deira has an area of 80 square kilometers (861 million square feet), larger than Manhattan Island and Paris. The development at the Palm Deira comprises of 8,000 villas, townhouses, and sunset family homes serviced by top-class housekeeping facilities, it also features shopping malls, sports facilities, hotels, restaurants, retails outlets, clubs, public services and other luxury amenities.

Really? Dont they have enough sandin UAE?
The sand in the UAE is not very good for construction. That is why a lot of sand is imported. :-) Unbeleivable but true!

hi im new in the forum and i think im the only who prefers the pal deira than the other palms. Any new construccion updates

let's change plans a bit


Shifting sands see costs escalate on Palm Deira

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Shifting sand: The orientation of Palm Deira has been changed so it points away from Sharjah’s territorial waters.
The Palm Deira has been hit by a series of design changes, which will see it change direction and increase in height — adding massive costs to the world’s largest reclamation project.

The US $3 billion (AED11 billion) offshore island has been at the centre of controversy in recent weeks, following press reports that the project had been put on hold.

Nakheel has repeatedly denied the reports, but it has now emerged that the developer has been forced to change the original designs so that the island points further to the west and does not protrude into Sharjah’s territorial waters. It follows protests made by the neighbouring emirate.

The wave design height of the structure has also been raised by half a metre — a move which will massively increase the amount of offshore sand required to build the 18 km-long island.

“The island has been moved by a couple of degrees from its original designs because of objections from Sharjah, and the height of the island has been increased,” said a project insider.

“We are pumping higher than before — we have to raise
the whole sand line. We now go to 5.25 m — before it was 4.75 m.”

It has also emerged that the developer is still studying options to ensure adequate circulation of water and prevent the stagnation of water in between the fronds of the Palm.

On the Palm Jumeirah project, Nakheel cut extra inlets into
the breakwater which surrounds the island, after it emerged that the original designs did not allow for adequate water circulation between the fronds.

The number of inlets on the breakwater of the Palm Deira has been increased further, but because there are 40 fronds on Palm Deira, compared to just 16 on Palm Jumeirah, this may not be enough to ensure adequate circulation of water.

As a result, Nakheel may include a system of locks traversing the trunk of the island allowing seawater to travel through them.

Both Van Oord and Nakheel insist that the reclamation of the project has not been delayed and will be completed by the end of 2013.

“You read different things in the newspapers, but the reclamation of Palm Deira, including Deira Corniche and all rock placement works will take eight years,” said Van Oord director, Jan Schaart.

“With respect to the reclamation; as far as we are concerned and having looked into the capacity of vessels and the availability of vessels, we believe it is possible to do it in eight years.”

Palm Deira will be 18 km long, 9 km wide and its surface will measure 4000 ha. Construction will involve 1 billion m3 of sand and 40 million tonnes of rock.

Didn't someone said that months ago?

.... and dubai-lover said it was bullshit. i said i heard this.

and it seems to be true.
they increased the height even though it will be more expensive because of that shifting? why? is it necessary? are they concerned about waves and rising sea levels?


stupid planning.
anyway.

at least they are thinking of the water circulation problem.

still hoping for a re design.

Well, at least they're thinking of those problems.
So it's official then, we should really name it the leaning palm of dubai then :D

maybe this was the intention :eek:
:D

still hoping for this project to be canceled

never ever, i'd rather hope for a re design (smaller) now that it becomes more expensive and has to be shifted anyway.

A cancel is too much since it would scare off loads of investors, etc...

Saturday, 28 January, 2006
Van Oord faces decade of dredging on the world’s largest reclamation
by Sean Cronin

nakheel invites construction weekly aboard the ham 316 suction dredger, the flagship of van oord’s island-building fleet
It is one of the biggest dredgers in the world and it is
working on the biggest land reclamation project in the world. How big is big? Well the bridge of Van Oord’s Ham 316 hopper dredger is the size of a five-a-side football pitch and it has more gadgets and dials on display than the Starship Enterprise.

But the mainly Dutch crew of this giant island-making machine are a bit more laid back than their Star Trek counterparts. You get the impression that the discovery of ‘Klingons’ on the starboard bow would not cause too much concern here — they’d probably be invited in to watch the football and have a drink in the vessel’s cosy on-board bar.

Managing this and all of the other Van Oord offshore projects in Dubai is Jan Schaart — the Captain Kirk of the company’s Middle East operations and responsible for a workforce of around 800 people.

He has been given the unenviable task of showing journalists around the vessel — days after newspaper reports about the Palm Deira project running late and investors being allowed to transfer their operations to other Nakheel projects.

His task is made a little easier when some of the invited hacks decide the rope ladder climb up the side of the vessel looks a little too perilous and decide instead to take the boat back to shore.

While Nakheel insists that the trip is not intended to be any form of damage-limitation exercise, it is clear that the developer has been stung by recent newspaper allegations about the progress of the project and is keen to set the record straight.

Both Nakheel and Van Oord insist that the project is not running late, although both confirm that it has been subject to some fairly significant design changes.

The orientation of the project has been changed for one, so that it no longer protrudes into Sharjah waters. The height of the island has also been raised to protect against long-term wave height projections.

But none of this has interrupted the daily routine of the Ham 316 which travels back and forth with its cargo of sand, regular as clockwork.

In the space of just four years and almost entirely off the
back of Nakheel’s island building activities, Van Oord’s Middle East operations have grown to account for about one third of the Dutch contractor’s entire business.

Schaart explains that the Ham 316 is the third biggest dredger to be found anywhere in the world. In just one trip, the vessel can suck around 23 000 m3 of sand from the seabed — or the equivalent of around 500 lorry loads.

“The sand is mixed in the hull with water and pumped through a nozzle at the front of the dredger — we call it rainbowing. “The other method that we commonly use is bottom dumping. The vessel has doors underneath and if we are on a spot where we do not have to rainbow and there is enough depth, we open the hold and empty the sand directly on to the bottom of the seabed.”

“Another method, that we are not using yet, is pumping ashore.” The Ham 316 is one of ten suction hopper dredgers and three specially equipped rock-dumping vessels that together will vacuum the seabed of Dubai’s territorial waters over the next eight years — boldly going where no dredger has gone before.

In each trip this gigantic floating factory sucks up around
23 000 m3 of sand from the seabed to be deposited off Deira — where Nakheel’s third palm tree-shaped island is
now taking shape.

Van Oord was officially awarded the US $3 billion (AED11 billion) contract for the Palm Deira, in November.
The island will be 18 km long, nine km wide and its surface will measure 4000 ha. The current design includes plans for 40 fronds, which will branch out from either side of the island’s trunk.

Building the project will involve one billion m3 of sand and
40 million tonnes of rock. Since the dredging work on the original Palm Jumeirah projects started four years ago, Van Oord has been forced to go progressively further into the Gulf to extract sand needed to build the offshore islands currently under construction.

So the round trip now takes eight hours in which time the Ham 316 travels between 20 and 30 nautical miles offshore to the ‘borrow’ area, before returning with a full load of sand to be deposited off Deira.

Because Van Oord is also dredging for Nakheel’s other offshore projects, the work has to be carefully coordinated, according to Simon Zondervan, works manager on Deira Corniche and a veteran of dredging projects around the world.

“We have a borrow area management team based onshore and they determine where the vessels are going and where they will take the sand from.

“They also coordinate this with the other dredging projects so we are not taking sand from the same places. At the moment we are going out 34 nautical miles. That is the farthest we have been,” he says.

Before Van Oord started work on the original Palm Island, it undertook an exhaustive survey of sand deposits in the territorial waters of Dubai — which extend around 40 miles offshore.

Since that time a new offshore fibre-optic cable has been laid and once it is in position, the Ham 316 or any other dredger will not be allowed to come anywhere near it.

As a result, the vessel has been removing as much sand as possible from the path of the cable over recent weeks — while it still can. The 40-strong crew of the Ham 316 work eight hours on and eight hours off, seven days a week and they are on board six weeks at a time — with only one day off every six weeks.

The extremely corrosive power of the sand and salt water, means that the ship has to carry a massive inventory of spare parts. The sand is sucked from the seabed by dragheads on each side of the vessel — which are similar in design to the bucket of an excavator, but much larger.

The dragheads are lined with fist-sized steel teeth — many of which break off during every trip and need to be replaced.
For now, the Ham 316 is shifting more than 800 000 m3 of sand every week and could well remain busy on this project for the best part of a decade.

It is likely to be the last of Dubai’s great offshore developments — that is until Dubai Waterfront starts. “And that is another story,” says Schaart, before returning to
the bridge.

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Gibca’s armour for Palm Deira

Having supplied armour rock for Palm Jumeirah and Palm Jebel Ali, Gibca, a leading supplier of quality aggregates and rock armour in the region, is currently supply its product for the giant Palm Deira, under a contract that is expected to last for another three years.

The largest of the three Palms, the Palm Deira will extend seawards for a distance of nine miles and includes a 13-mile-long outer crescent seawall. When completed in 2009, it will provide 7,000 residential homes and a marina.
Gibca Crushing and Quarry Operations’s customers include Al Nakheel, SS Lootha, Emirates Stone, Dafco, Keir Dubai and Barada Transport.

Construction boom

As the construction boom continues in Dubai, contractors are increasingly seeking quality aggregates from local quarries, particularly for asphalt and concrete production from gabbro – considered to be the region’s toughest rock. Featuring a density up to 2.9 tonnes/cu m and an aggregate crushing value of 13, the rock – found exclusively around Fujairah and Kadra – is highly abrasive and has up to 50 per cent silica (SiO2) content.
In addition to supplying large quantities of armour rock for the Palm projects, Gibca Crushing and Quarry Operations is also supplying aggregate and sand for Dubai’s asphalt road projects, readymix concrete companies and block factories.

Quarry operation

Its quarry at Kadrah, some 25 km east of Dhaid, is the biggest among a number of quarries in the region to recognise the performance provided by its Sandvik Tamrock hydraulic crawler drills and Sandvik rock tools working in this highly abrasive rock. Gibca received its first licence to excavate gabbro from the local municipality 30 years ago in a riverbed retrieval application of the wadi over a 4 sq km area.

As the riverbed source finished and demand for the gabbro increased, Gibca opened the first of two quarries in 1989 placing an order for its first Tamrock hydraulic drill, a CHA550. With the continuing demand for increased production, Gibca took further deliveries of Tamrock rigs with a CHA660 in 2001 and a CHA700 late last year.

Today, with all three rigs actively drilling, the high-production CHA700 is handking the lion’s share with its larger 89 mm diameter holes.

Tamrock CHA700

The CHA700 is a hydraulic top hammer crawler drill designed for 64 to 102-mm diameter blast holes in construction and quarry applications using T38, T45 and T51 (11/2”, 13/4” and 2”) extension drill steels.

“Its robust build makes it eminently suited for the demanding terrain of the Kadrah quarry,” says a spokesman for the Finland-based Sandvik Tamrock. “It is equipped with an HL710 hydraulic rock drill, chain feed, rod handling system, telescopic boom and powerpack, all mounted on an oscillating FL6-type undercarriage.

“The crosswise-mounted powerpack – engine, air compressor and hydraulic pumps – is mounted at the rear of the rig to balance the weight of the boom, feed and rock drill. This keeps the body of the drill short and guarantees good stability. The CHA700 is powered by a Caterpillar 3056E diesel engine, which meets Tier II and Stage II emission requirements and offers lower fuel consumption and longer service life than conventional diesel engines.
“The drill is fitted with a complete safety and monitoring system for easy operation and fast maintenance.”

All three Sandvik Tamrock rigs are fitted with Sandvik extension drilling tools. The CHA700 is using 89 mm diameter retrac button bits and T51 MF-extension rods. The two older rigs are also using Sandvik rock tools including the 64 mm diameter retrac bits and T38 MF-extension rods.
The quarry operates four benches with heights varying between 10 m and 12 m. On average, Gibca blasts twice a week over two areas of the quarry and produces 4 million tonnes per year (tpy) of different types of armour rocks and aggregates. Gibca is also planning to increase its production up to 5 million tpy in the near future,” says recently-appointed general manager, Engineer Ayman Al Hadidi.

According to quarry manager, Gulam Mohammed, the Tamrock hydraulic drills and Sandvik drill steels are proving to be a winning combination, providing exceptional service in difficult conditions.

“The secret is,” he adds, “we take very good care of our equipment, maintaining it correctly and regularly.”

This includes grinding the Sandvik bits. “From day one, we recognised the importance of grinding to at least double the life of the bits and extend the life of the rods,” he says. Gibca undertakes its own grinding on-site on a weekly basis, at least two times on each bit and according to Gulam Mohammed, generally three times.

He says, “We hope to get between 700 and 800 drill m/bit but it is all dependent on the hardness of the rock.”

Additional after-care back-up is also provided by the local dealer, Dynatrade.
Gibca was formed in 1975 and included a quarry and crushing division. Today, it has than 30 companies in the Gibca Group, including hotels, resorts, banks, Alico aluminium products, casting industry, Arabian Profiles, Tekab, glass products and air conditioning division. The quarry and crushing operation also remains one of the most active divisions among the group.

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we were at least 10km from the coast, u can see how high the plane already is.
incredible.

to get an idea of the size of this island just compare to the waves, yes there are waves, around it.

Looks fantastic IMO. The villa's look well spaced but so did the ones on the rendering's of the Palm Jumeirah ;)

It's called "Artist's Impression"....welcome to the magical world of advertising....=]~


But the masterplan does not lie...this is huuuuuuuuuuuuuge!

I'm not an urban planner....just a render slave =]

can u post the render?

Great render but...

I wonder how many extra villas there will be :D

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Masterplan

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someone already posted it...LOL...I think Malec has more of my renderings than I do!

looks heavenly in that first render... thanks!

ps... i still hate this project :sleepy:

I love the render... especialy the mafia boss at the bottom!

which idiot decided that a fery terminal needed to be at the centre of the most unavigable maze of channels ever :bash:

great pc flo...

looks perfect for a game of football.

anyone game?

yeah here i am, btw dubai is likely to host 2007 beach soccer WC.

When complete, i am scared to say, the Palm Deira might put the other two to shame because of its superb planing and sheer size! :runaway:

^^ good point...this palm doesnt have a trademark tower does i.e. palm J will have that ugly trump tower and the palm JA will have al burj lookin over it

p.s. love the render..i can imagine myself living in one of those villas

OMG!!! thats huge!

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This one is going to be sweet. I love Dubai. Its 100 yrs ahead of the rest of us in terms of modern devalopment. Anyone who dissagrees is just plain retarded, or full of crap. he he Even oil-rich Alberta is doing crap with there money compared to this place. I guess there is something to be said about having a wise Prince in charge of things. over here we got a bunch of morons that steal the money and nothing ever gets done. :(

^^ you shouldn't have said this in PALM DEIRA thread ;)

Guys, that's another one of the renderings that i modelled....and i hate to admit this and wreck the dream, but when i got the Autocad files (for all the Palms) the villas were side by side...with hardly any space between. I was literally told to delete every other one or space them farther so that they wouldn't look too close. I also stuff trees in between to give the illusion of space.

It's called "Artist's Impression"....welcome to the magical world of advertising....=]~



Ummm, isn't another name for that "fraud"? Not blaming you obviously, but I really can't see how that is legal...

every render in Dubai is fraud then. sorry.

every render in Dubai is fraud then. sorry.

Don't take it the wrong way dude, not trying to start an anti-Dubai flame war here. :bash:

Selling something based on information known to be inaccurate constitutes fraud, no other way to put it. Are you trying to say it's okay?

^^ dude u misinterpretated my post, i was mereley agreeing with u , that every render in dubai spreads misleading information.

Wow that is soooo huge.. Its really close to Sharjah, too.

^^ dude u misinterpretated my post, i was mereley agreeing with u , that every render in dubai spreads misleading information.

Okay sorry if I jumped the gun...it's kinda a shame though, because those renders make it look absolutely incredible....

there's always an apartment in the Burj!! :cheers:

A central iconic feature is pretty much a given on this palm, but I wonder if its going to be a supertall? hmmmm...... who knows? :dunno:

Yes this is fraud (punishable by imprionment in the UK) However, everyone has now learnt that all palm renders are done this way now. Any purchasers has to try and imagine it with double the amount of villas.

^^ please don't limit this to nakheel's renders.

Its prety obvious when you look at the masterplan.

anyhow most of the residents wont care.

these locals getting them free! :sleepy:

Wow that is soooo huge.. Its really close to Sharjah, too.

speaking of sharjah...why aint there a thread on the nujoom islands?