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Liam0711
June 26th, 2011, 11:34 AM
Proposed downtown arena gets private financing commitment
Construction magnate Willard Hackerman pledges to lead group to raise funds for new hotel and 18,500-seat arena

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By Edward Gunts, The Baltimore Sun

8:40 p.m. EDT, May 25, 2011

Construction magnate Willard Hackerman has offered to finance and build an 18,500-seat arena in downtown Baltimore, civic leaders say, freeing taxpayers from having to foot the bill and significantly increasing the chances that plans for a $900 million convention center expansion and arena will become a reality.

News of Hackerman's offer was made public Wednesday at the annual meeting of the Greater Baltimore Committee, a private business group that has been exploring ways to build an arena that would be combined with an expanded convention center to bolster the city's tourism business and add life to Baltimore's Inner Harbor.

Hackerman, 92, the president and chief executive officer of the Whiting-Turner Contracting Co., attended the meeting but declined to comment. According to GBC officials, Hackerman has been actively involved in planning for the arena and convention center expansion, and hired Ayers Saint Gross, a Baltimore-based architecture firm, to develop the designs unveiled Wednesday.

GBC leaders also showed preliminary designs demonstrating how a 25-story hotel could rise above the arena and expanded convention center. The proposed construction site, owned partly by Hackerman and partly by the city, is bounded roughly by Pratt, Charles, Conway and Sharp streets but does not include the Old Otterbein Church on Conway Street.

GBC officials and others say that Hackerman has the financial ability to raise private money for both the arena and hotel and that he wants Whiting-Turner to build them.

"Mr. Hackerman has pledged to the governor and the mayor that he will engage in creating a private … partnership that will privately finance the arena and the hotel," said Donald C. Fry, president and chief executive officer of the Greater Baltimore Committee. "He sees this as a transformative project that can have a significant impact on downtown Baltimore, and he would like to see that. … It would result in a great revitalization of the area."

Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, speaking at the GBC meeting, said she was pleased to see private-sector support for the project. "I would like to thank Willard Hackerman for his vision and his commitment to our city," she said.

Gov. Martin O'Malley, also at the meeting, said, "Thank you, Mr. Hackerman."

Much of the project's appeal to Hackerman, Fry and others say, is the combination of an arena and an expanded convention center in one location.

"We have an opportunity for Baltimore that we think is unique on the East Coast — the opportunity to put together a conference center with an arena in a way that would allow us to bring in groups that can't come to Baltimore today," Fry said.

"This concept, combined with the nearby baseball and football stadiums, gives us a chance to accomplish a dramatic transformation of the Inner Harbor into a sports, entertainment and recreation venue that would be largely unrivaled in the nation."

While other cities combine arenas and convention centers, none has united facilities the size of those proposed for Baltimore, said Adam Gross, Hackerman's architect.

The joint facilities would boost Baltimore's convention business by enabling the expanded convention center to accommodate two or three large shows or meetings at the same time — something it can't do now, said Tom Noonan, executive director of Visit Baltimore, the city's convention and tourism agency.

"This would be a hybrid building that doesn't exist anywhere else in the country," Noonan said. "It would give us the opportunity to do a lot of convention business in Baltimore and make us a lot more productive. It would make us really difficult to compete with."

As head of one of the largest construction firms in the country, Hackerman has built many of Baltimore's best-known landmarks, including Harborplace, the National Aquarium in Baltimore and the Meyerhoff Symphony Hall.

An engineer and a 1938 graduate of the Johns Hopkins University, Hackerman also owns commercial properties in Baltimore, including the office tower at 750 West Pratt St. and the Sheraton Inner Harbor Hotel at Charles and Conway streets.

Preliminary plans by Ayers Saint Gross call for a four-level convention center expansion, an 18,500-seat arena over two levels of underground parking, a 500-room hotel, and stores and restaurants facing Pratt, Charles and Conway streets.

The expansion would give Baltimore a convention center with 760,000 square feet of ballroom, meeting and exhibit space, more than twice that of the existing convention center. The estimated price of $900 million to $940 million would make it one of the most expensive projects ever envisioned for downtown Baltimore.

Fry said Hackerman originally indicated that he would fund the construction of a 500-room hotel to replace his 320-room Sheraton hotel, garage and parking lot, which would be displaced by the larger project.

However, as planning progressed, Fry said, he asked Hackerman whether he would be willing to pay for the arena as well. Soon afterward, Fry continued, Hackerman indicated he would be willing to put together a private group to pay for the arena as well as the hotel — eliminating the need for the city and state to issue bonds or identify other funding sources for those phases of the project.

Fry said Hackerman's offer is contingent on the convention center expansion's moving ahead and being connected to the arena to create one project. He said planners would seek city and state funding for the convention center expansion, making the project a public-private partnership.

He said Hackerman's offer to fund the arena privately should make the entire project easier to finance and more likely to move ahead, as funding sources have been identified for more than half the project's total estimated cost.

Based on the preliminary designs, Fry said, the hotel is expected to cost $175 million and the arena $325 million — a total of $500 million that would be covered by Hackerman and his investment group. The convention center expansion, which is expected to cost $400 million, would be the only major phase of the project for which a funding source has not been identified.

Fry said before the GBC meeting Wednesday that he believed the cost of expanding the convention center could be paid for by the city or state or both, by issuing bonds. He noted that bonds were issued to build the original convention center in the 1970s and an expansion in the 1990s. He added that the 1979 wing is paid for and that the bonds for the 1996 wing are to be paid off in 2014.

Fry also said Hackerman's offer eliminates the need for city and state officials to justify the construction of an arena without the city's having secured a professional basketball or hockey team as a project anchor.

He said he believes it would make sense to ask the state to fund an expansion of the convention center, given the state's previous investment in it and in other projects nearby such as the Camden Yards sports complex.

Fry said that the mayor and governor already have requested that the Maryland Stadium Authority conduct a marketing and economic study of the project, which Fry said he hopes will be completed by the end of the year.

With the results of the feasibility study, Fry said, planners can go to the city and state to seek approval to sell bonds to pay for construction of the publicly funded portion of the project. They also may explore other funding sources, such as selling rights to name the building.

Earlier this year, GBC officials said the arena could be completed by 2016 if construction began in 2012. With Hackerman's support, Fry said, the project could be completed close to the timetable outlined last fall — in about four years for the arena and hotel, and an additional three years for the convention center expansion.

The work requires that the 1979 wing of the convention center be demolished to make way for the expansion, but the 1996 wing could remain in operation.

For many years, civic leaders have been looking for ways to replace the 1st Mariner Arena, which opened in 1961 at Baltimore Street and Hopkins Place.

Baltimore banker Edwin F. Hale Sr., chairman of Visit Baltimore and owner of the Baltimore Blast soccer team, which plays at 1st Mariner Arena, said he was pleased that plans now call for holding off razing the old arena until a new one opens.

"I'm happy about that," Hale said of the new plan.

ed.gunts@baltsun.com

KingmanIII
June 26th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Whoa...this is big-time news...

If they build this thing then Baltimore would undoubtedly land a third major-league franchise.

Liam0711
June 26th, 2011, 10:46 PM
Yeah man, I was surprised a thread for this hadn't been made yet. Baltimore would probably be able to support a NBA team.

Darloeye
June 26th, 2011, 10:54 PM
Could even land a NBA and a NHL Teams

KingmanIII
June 26th, 2011, 11:12 PM
Could even land a NBA and a NHL Teams
TWO four-sport cities within a hour of one another? Whoa...

hngcm
June 26th, 2011, 11:19 PM
Yeah we know how Kansas City was able to land NBA and NHL teams after they spent 300 million on the Sprint Center.

Darloeye
June 27th, 2011, 07:54 PM
TWO four-sport cities within a hour of one another? Whoa...

Yeah well I did say " could " I know how much the orioles cried when the expo's came to DC.

BoulderGrad
June 27th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Numbers for thought
-Baltimore/Washington CSA 2010 Population: 8,572,971 (4th in the nation behind NY, LA, CHI)
-Baltimore MSA 2010 Population: 2,710,489 (18th in the nation)
-Washington MSA 2010 Population: 5,582,170 (7th in the nation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Combined_Statistical_Areas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

Edit: And I'll add this list as well. Number of sports teams in each city:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_cities_by_number_of_major_sports_teams

Liam0711
June 28th, 2011, 12:55 AM
Yeah well I did say " could " I know how much the orioles cried when the expo's came to DC.

Angelos' "crying" ensured the Orioles majority ownership of the Nationals & Orioles joint cable channel MASN, short for Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. (Peter Angelos is the majority owner of the Orioles who made his fortune as a super lawyer against big tobacco and asbestos) The hilarious thing is that the symbol of MASN is comprised of the two prominent colors that make up Baltimore's two major sports franchises. Orange for the Orioles and purple for the Ravens. Talk about a slap in the face to Washington...to say that Baltimorians have provincial attitudes towards DC is an understatement.

http://www.200yearstoolate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/masn_clr.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_Sports_Network

dfwabel
July 1st, 2011, 06:27 AM
What's the catch? There is always a catch for private financing when half the land is owned by the city or county.

KingmanIII
July 1st, 2011, 07:51 AM
What's the catch? There is always a catch for private financing when half the land is owned by the city or county.
probably a few mil to upgrade infrastructure

JJG
July 1st, 2011, 09:47 PM
Whoa...this is big-time news...

If they build this thing then Baltimore would undoubtedly land a third major-league franchise.

Baltimore HORNETS, perhaps....?

Scba
July 1st, 2011, 10:57 PM
That's orange and purple? Kind of looks like blue to me.

hngcm
July 1st, 2011, 11:29 PM
What NBA/NHL could potentially move there and why would they move to Baltimore instead of Kansas City already built Sprint Center?

will101
July 2nd, 2011, 08:31 AM
What NBA/NHL could potentially move there and why would they move to Baltimore instead of Kansas City already built Sprint Center?
Or skip them both and move to Honda Center.

Archbishop
July 3rd, 2011, 01:21 AM
This would be destined to be the Sprint Center of the East Coast. Baltimore is too close to Washington to get an NBA or NHL team ahead of a city like Kansas City, Quebec, or Hamilton for an NHL team or Kansas City, Anaheim, or Seattle for an NBA team.

Jericho-79
July 3rd, 2011, 02:35 AM
I wouldn't mind this new arena. The 1st Mariner Arena looks like nothing more than an old convention center with a parking garage attached to it.

Liam0711
July 5th, 2011, 06:44 PM
That's orange and purple? Kind of looks like blue to me.

You're probably right, I'm colorblind.

en1044
July 7th, 2011, 05:38 AM
That's orange and purple? Kind of looks like blue to me.

I watch MASN enough to know it's blue. But it is true that Angelos holds the rights to Nationals TV games.

en1044
July 7th, 2011, 05:39 AM
This would be destined to be the Sprint Center of the East Coast. Baltimore is too close to Washington to get an NBA or NHL team ahead of a city like Kansas City, Quebec, or Hamilton for an NHL team or Kansas City, Anaheim, or Seattle for an NBA team.

Baltimore badly needs a new arena though. It would be much more than a place to watch sports. 1st Mariner Arena is garbage. Baltimore deserves better.

The capacity might be too high. I think 15k would be perfect.

Numbers for thought
-Baltimore/Washington CSA 2010 Population: 8,572,971 (4th in the nation behind NY, LA, CHI)
-Baltimore MSA 2010 Population: 2,710,489 (18th in the nation)
-Washington MSA 2010 Population: 5,582,170 (7th in the nation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Combined_Statistical_Areas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

Edit: And I'll add this list as well. Number of sports teams in each city:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_cities_by_number_of_major_sports_teams

Eh...no one here really associates Baltimore with DC and vice versa. People might commute from city to city, but they are different worlds. The fact that DC and Baltimore have been lumped together puzzles me.

nick p
July 8th, 2011, 11:26 PM
Baltimore needs an NBA team

Liam0711
July 19th, 2011, 10:18 PM
City to pay part of arena, convention center study

Visit Baltimore will pay $50,000 toward Maryland Stadium Authority's $150,000 study


July 18, 2011|By Lorraine Mirabella, The Baltimore Sun

Baltimore City will pay a third of the $150,000 cost of a Maryland Stadium Authority study to determine whether the city should build a new downtown arena linked to an expanded Baltimore Convention Center.

Members of the Baltimore Convention & Tourism Board voted Monday to approve the $50,000 contribution, which will come from the budget of Visit Baltimore, the city's convention and tourism agency.

The stadium authority agreed last month to study the project's feasibility and asked the city to cover part of the cost. The study will look at whether the proposed $900 million project would be financially viable and determine how much tax revenue would be generated. The project would expand the convention center and include an adjacent, 18,500-seat arena and a larger Sheraton hotel at the Inner Harbor at Charles, Pratt, Sharp and Conway streets.

The Greater Baltimore Committee business group, which is spearheading the project, said construction magnate Willard Hackerman, president and chief executive of the Whiting-Turner Contracting Co., has offered to lead a team that will finance and build the $325 million arena and $175 million hotel.

Hackerman has said his offer is contingent on the convention center expansion, which is expected to cost $400 million.

Lorraine.mirabella@baltsun.com

Nnamdi
July 31st, 2011, 01:29 AM
grass roof? why?

KingmanIII
July 31st, 2011, 11:50 PM
grass roof? why?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_roof

Chevy114
August 1st, 2011, 04:10 AM
I hope they get an nhl or nba team with this, but after how long it took to get the ravens it might be hard.

carnifex2005
August 2nd, 2011, 03:52 AM
Yeah we know how Kansas City was able to land NBA and NHL teams after they spent 300 million on the Sprint Center.

True but that doesn't mean that the Sprint Center isn't successful. Hell, it is the 3rd busiest arena (and profitable) in the US without any major pro teams. The economics of the Sprint Center are showing that pro teams aren't needed for a city of Baltimore's size and the arena can still be successful.

Chevy114
August 3rd, 2011, 02:49 AM
True but that doesn't mean that the Sprint Center isn't successful. Hell, it is the 3rd busiest arena (and profitable) in the US without any major pro teams. The economics of the Sprint Center are showing that pro teams aren't needed for a city of Baltimore's size and the arena can still be successful.

Just wondering if that means they are making a profit or making more than other non major sport arenas?

WesTexas
August 20th, 2011, 10:14 PM
What NBA team would move here? ALSO the NBA season is already to long. They will not add another team.

wexine
August 21st, 2011, 06:43 AM
are there enough following to justify a hockey team in Baltimore?

Topher51
August 22nd, 2011, 06:08 PM
It's hard to say. Baltimore doesn't even have a minor league hockey team. That would be a larger than average market for the AHL. I am sure they'd love to move a team there.

BoulderGrad
August 22nd, 2011, 07:26 PM
It's hard to say. Baltimore doesn't even have a minor league hockey team. That would be a larger than average market for the AHL. I am sure they'd love to move a team there.

Off the top of my head, they've already had the SkipJacks and the Bandits. Dunno how well it would work a 3rd time around

krnboy1009
August 24th, 2011, 05:29 AM
Washington-Baltimore area is too close IMO and DC sports teams dont even draw well when not winning. NFL is the exception of course.

Orioles are there because of historical reason. If they were an expansion franchise on the level of the Rays they'd have moved already.

In summary, Baltimore should not get another major league franchise.

Jim856796
August 24th, 2011, 08:54 AM
^^How about the new Baltimore Arena sticks to hosting NBA/NHL exhibition games instead of getting a franchise?

Topher51
August 24th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Washington-Baltimore area is too close IMO and DC sports teams dont even draw well when not winning. NFL is the exception of course.

Orioles are there because of historical reason. If they were an expansion franchise on the level of the Rays they'd have moved already.

In summary, Baltimore should not get another major league franchise.

While DC and Baltimore are in close proximity to each other, the traffic makes it difficult to get between the two on weeknights. You don't get a lot of people going up for O's games, or coming down for the Caps, Wiz and Nationals except on the weekends. I don't think Baltimore could sustain it's own NHL team, but if an NBA team could definitely work.

And as for DC team's not drawing well except for when they are winning, that is hardly unique to this city. The Cubs withstanding, what franchise outside of the NFL doesn't go through a down spell if they aren't doing well?

krnboy1009
August 25th, 2011, 01:26 AM
While DC and Baltimore are in close proximity to each other, the traffic makes it difficult to get between the two on weeknights. You don't get a lot of people going up for O's games, or coming down for the Caps, Wiz and Nationals except on the weekends. I don't think Baltimore could sustain it's own NHL team, but if an NBA team could definitely work.

And as for DC team's not drawing well except for when they are winning, that is hardly unique to this city. The Cubs withstanding, what franchise outside of the NFL doesn't go through a down spell if they aren't doing well?
Pretty much all the money making teams of NHL, MLB and NBA tend to draw fairly well even when not winning.

Meaning, the Dodgers, the Angels, Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, Leafs etc...

Its called Public transit. People have to deal with traffic in new York too, to get to Yankees games or worse, Knicks and rangers games which is in Manhattan.

derkom
August 25th, 2011, 01:46 AM
:DDDDDDDDDDDd

TommyCarcetti
August 25th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Pretty much all the money making teams of NHL, MLB and NBA tend to draw fairly well even when not winning.

Meaning, the Dodgers, the Angels, Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, Leafs etc...

Its called Public transit. People have to deal with traffic in new York too, to get to Yankees games or worse, Knicks and rangers games which is in Manhattan.

If only Baltimore and Washington were linked via mass transit. MARC train doesn't count.

Topher51
August 25th, 2011, 08:29 PM
Pretty much all the money making teams of NHL, MLB and NBA tend to draw fairly well even when not winning.

Meaning, the Dodgers, the Angels, Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, Leafs etc...

Its called Public transit. People have to deal with traffic in new York too, to get to Yankees games or worse, Knicks and rangers games which is in Manhattan.

You just named teams in NYC, LA and Toronto. That makes up maybe 5% of all teams in the leagues. Not too convincing of an argument that DC is a bad sports town just b/c the Nats draw for shite. The Wizards draw 17,000 a game and have finished last 3 seasons in a row.

WesTexas
August 28th, 2011, 02:59 AM
are there enough following to justify a hockey team in Baltimore?

I think there are to many hockey teams as it is. They would need to steal one and you would then have to steal the hardcore Washington Capitals, Philadelphia Fliers and some Pittsburgh Penguins fans. It's to diluted of a market for a NHL or NBA team in Baltimore.

BoulderGrad
August 28th, 2011, 08:51 PM
^^Confused why people keep talking like most Baltimore fans would be coming from other cities?

Since its the east coast, yes there are a number of other big cities near by, and fans coming from DC or Baltimore could conceivably by a small part of it. But really, most Baltimore fans would come from Baltimore. So what you need to know is how many people live in the immediate area for how many fans the city will have to draw from. And for that, look no further than MSA's. Here are some select ones near by that already have NBA and NHL teams, and a few others that are lacking in one or the other.

Philly: 5,965,343
Houston (No NHL): 5,946,800
DC: 5,582,170
Boston: 4,552,402
Seattle (No NBA or NHL): 3,439,809
Saint Louis (No NBA): 2,812,896
Baltimore (No NBA or NHL): 2,710,489
Denver: 2,543,482
Pittsburgh (No NBA): 2,356,285
Kansas City (No NBA or NHL): 2,035,334


Based on that, I would say Baltimore isn't a big enough fan base to support BOTH an NHL team and an NBA team, but not so small that I would rule it out as a possibility. More than likely it would be one of the 2. And knowing the region, I would say B'more is more of a basketball town than a hockey town.

I think the NBA and NHL are done expanding for at least a little while, so that leaves finding teams to be transplanted. And there are a number of franchises that could be on the move in either league, but they will have quite a few suitors for new cities.

adeaide
September 3rd, 2011, 03:03 PM
http://marylandreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/new-arena-hotel-Conway-1024x682.jpg

blacktrojan3921
September 4th, 2011, 09:12 AM
What NBA team would move here? ALSO the NBA season is already to long. They will not add another team.

OH how you need to learn the real world of pro sports league money business son ;).

micrip
October 19th, 2011, 06:52 AM
Washington-Baltimore area is too close IMO and DC sports teams dont even draw well when not winning. NFL is the exception of course.

Orioles are there because of historical reason. If they were an expansion franchise on the level of the Rays they'd have moved already.

In summary, Baltimore should not get another major league franchise.

Horsecrap....If the O's were as good as the Rays attendance would be right back up to the 3 million range. It's notable that, as bad as the O's have been, they outdrew the Rays this year, and on the night the pennant race was decided, there was a bigger, more boisterous crowd in Baltimore than in Tampa.

Topher51
October 19th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Horsecrap....If the O's were as good as the Rays attendance would be right back up to the 3 million range. It's notable that, as bad as the O's have been, they outdrew the Rays this year, and on the night the pennant race was decided, there was a bigger, more boisterous crowd in Baltimore than in Tampa.

While that may be true, there are a metric ton of Sox fans in the Baltimore area and every time I've been to a O's/Sox game the crowd has been at least 50/50.

That being said, there are more than enough people in Baltimore to support a separate basketball team. Also, the cities may only be 40 miles apart, but that's a hell of a long drive during weekday, evening traffic. I'd be surprised if many people come down from Baltimore for Wizards games.

Jim856796
October 20th, 2011, 12:00 AM
How did they manage to get the new hotel structure directly on top of the new arena, because of the limited space of the site to hold new convention space, the arena, and the hotel? Too bad there are no alternative sites for the new arena.

nyrmetros
October 20th, 2011, 03:22 AM
I like the soccer field on top of the arena.

micrip
October 20th, 2011, 07:14 AM
The green roof is intended to be just that...green. It won't be the first roof of its type in Baltimore, but will be by far the largest.

There's no certanty that this will be the actual design. This project is just getting off the ground...planning money is suppossed to be appropriated next year. They are looking 2016-18 before this is completed, if at all.

krnboy1009
October 21st, 2011, 06:46 AM
TWO four-sport cities within a hour of one another? Whoa...
Philly and New York is pretty close.

krnboy1009
October 21st, 2011, 06:48 AM
Regardless of NHL/NBA teams moving to Baltimore this arena still needs to be built. Baltimore still needs a place for concerts and events. And if they cant get NHL or NBA team they will definitely get at least a minor league hockey team or arena football team.

WesTexas
October 23rd, 2011, 04:28 AM
no team will move unless it's Toronto.

Darloeye
October 23rd, 2011, 05:24 AM
What about Portland ?

WesTexas
October 23rd, 2011, 05:27 AM
Why would Portland move? They have a great fan base and great attendance.

Darloeye
October 23rd, 2011, 05:30 AM
Don't know was asking, But did hear they had trouble with the arena deal last year

gradski
October 23rd, 2011, 02:03 PM
Baltimore Kings sound good.

KLynch
March 5th, 2012, 11:57 PM
One step closer as a attached convention center expansion was deemed a necessary in the city through a study. Hopefully this thing will really get moving in about a year or so.

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/blog/real-estate/2012/03/study-new-baltimore-arena-expanded.html

JJG
March 6th, 2012, 12:31 AM
Baltimore Kings sound good.

... well so much for that.

bewilder2
March 6th, 2012, 02:26 AM
I think owners are afraid of competing with the DC teams. And let's face it, Baltimore is doing just fine without an NHL/NBA team. Sure, it gets overshadowed by DC most of the time, but it's a good large city with plenty of business, and in many ways behaves opposite of DC.

It's not somewhere like Oklahoma City where they want to be recognized as being up there with the 'big boys'. Baltimore knows what it is, and perhaps that's why the Ravens' image has resonated so well with the city. (I'm avoiding the issue of the Colts here, yes the football fanbase has always been great.)

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Darloeye
March 6th, 2012, 02:44 AM
Plus Baltimore has alot of overspill from DC to help

KLynch
March 8th, 2012, 05:51 AM
As does DC with Baltimore. There is nothing more frustrating than DC coming up when it comes to our sports. They are two completely different cities with different fans. If DC wasn't so close we would probably have at least 3 pro teams...bullets probably never would have left. The only reason they really left anyway becaus Pollin was from DC and wanted them there.

The Ravens have never had an unsold ticket and the O's had the best attendance in baseball before their 14 year tailspin.

I don't know if this arena will bring a team, but it will undoubtedly change the sports landscape of Baltimore. Once again UMD will play games in bmore and feel like a part of the city again. I really hope the DC United move here, I think MLS would be the perfect 3rd sport for now.

Sonrise
March 9th, 2012, 06:00 AM
no team will move unless it's Toronto.

Toronto? The Raptors? They play in the fourth largest market in the NBA, and have drawn very well in their entire history. :ohno:

JJG
March 9th, 2012, 06:07 AM
Toronto? The Raptors? They play in the fourth largest market in the NBA, and have drawn very well in their entire history. :ohno:

Definately not Toronto.

The only team in the NBA that may move now is New Orleans. No question...

broncoempire
March 9th, 2012, 09:52 AM
Toronto? The Raptors? They play in the fourth largest market in the NBA, and have drawn very well in their entire history. :ohno:

Not to mention they're owned by the Maple Leafs who are probably thrilled to have the additional revenue that comes from a reasonably full building 45 times a season.

rockin'.baltimorean
March 30th, 2012, 03:07 AM
love it!! go baltimore!!!!!!!!!

blacktrojan3921
March 31st, 2012, 11:41 PM
Definately not Toronto.

The only team in the NBA that may move now is New Orleans. No question...

I wouldn't be so sure, unless you got a large city full of basketball fans, another way to make sure people attend the game is to have a team that is winning alot of games. I would imagine New Orleans would really have to shake they're roster in order to accomplish that.

Enio125
April 1st, 2012, 04:59 AM
As an arena, it looks nice and it is needed. Every major city should have a respectable arena.
As for Baltimore getting an NBA or NHL team:
There is NO WAY any city is in front of Seattle in getting an NBA team. And if there is, those nice people in the Northwest will probably lynch David Stern.
NHL teams are finally deciding to move north so another team in a southern state seems very very unlikely.

KLynch
April 12th, 2012, 05:42 PM
Funding approved for designs and they will now start negotiating naming rights and concessionaires... this thing is on it's way!

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/blog/real-estate/2012/04/baltimore-convention-center-design.html

Calvin W
April 14th, 2012, 08:28 AM
As an arena, it looks nice and it is needed. Every major city should have a respectable arena.
As for Baltimore getting an NBA or NHL team:
There is NO WAY any city is in front of Seattle in getting an NBA team. And if there is, those nice people in the Northwest will probably lynch David Stern.
NHL teams are finally deciding to move north so another team in a southern state seems very very unlikely.

Well Maryland isn't exactly a southern state there....

Plenty of struggling teams in the NHL would take a look at Baltimore if and when this arena is built.

NY Islanders? Phoenix? Nashville? To pick a few...

Enio125
April 17th, 2012, 06:32 AM
Well Maryland isn't exactly a southern state there....
Yes it is.

krnboy1009
April 17th, 2012, 06:36 AM
Definately not Toronto.

The only team in the NBA that may move now is New Orleans. No question...
New Orleans aint going anywhere. Sacramento might move.

JJG
April 18th, 2012, 06:53 PM
New Orleans aint going anywhere. Sacramento might move.

...one word that a few of you seemed to pass over....

The only team in the NBA that may move now is New Orleans. No question...

krnboy1009
April 18th, 2012, 10:40 PM
Just updating info. Now theres no chance Hornets are moving.

Zorba
April 18th, 2012, 11:00 PM
Yes it is.

You make make the argument about the state I guess but Baltimore as a city is not what one would call "Southern". Given it's location and its whole business platform it fits more into the mid-atlantic Philly-Wilmington-Baltimore triangle than anything else besides D.C.

As for the team, I don't think Baltimore has ever been a great basketball city. I lived in the area for a while and most people cared more about football than anything else by far. Given that the NBA fans in the area around Baltimore support the Wizards or Sixers enough as it is, I don't see it happening. Seattle deserves it more I agree.

bewilder2
April 18th, 2012, 11:01 PM
Just updating info. Now theres no chance Hornets are moving.

But a much higher chance the Kings are.

JJG
April 18th, 2012, 11:18 PM
Just updating info. Now theres no chance Hornets are moving.

Yeah, I got that.

Now it's the Kings.

Zorba
April 19th, 2012, 02:58 PM
The Kings might average one of the lowest attendances in the league but that's more because they play in one of the NBA's smallest arenas. They have an 83% sales rate based on capacity which is one of the better rates in the league.

The worst team when it comes to filling up their stadium is.......Detroit.

Dexter Morgan
April 19th, 2012, 08:44 PM
Yes Maryland is just below the Mason-Dixon line but anyone who's been to Maryland or even Northern Virginia would never consider those areas "southern".

Topher51
April 21st, 2012, 02:54 AM
Yes Maryland is just below the Mason-Dixon line but anyone who's been to Maryland or even Northern Virginia would never consider those areas "southern".

Not to mention, Maryland was in the Union, not the Confederacy. Ask any actual southerner and that will be their criteria.

Baltimore is a big city with plenty of people with deep pockets. They could definitely support a NBA or NHL team of their own.