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What Hurontario St. could look like through Cooksville. King St. is the cross street in the foreground, with Dundas St. in the background. Image courtesy of hurontario-main.ca

Hurontario - Main Street Study: http://hurontario-main.ca/

Public consultation: http://www.hurontario-main.ca/consultation.html

Master Plan: http://hurontario-main.ca/masterplan.html

Some details

Study recommends LRT
As many as 32 stations
From Elizabeth St. in Port Credit to the GO station in Brampton with a section in Mississauga City Centre
Exclusive ROW between the QEW and just north of Steeles Ave.
Shared ROW south of the QEW and in downtown Brampton


Cheers, m

Mississauga’s better way (http://www.thestar.com/news/transportation/article/1014803--mississauga-s-better-way) (The Star, 24 June 2011)

The proposed LRT line would run along Hurontario St. — the city’s busiest corridor — connecting Port Credit to downtown Brampton with as many as 32 stations on the 20-kilometre route.

The LRT line would come off Hurontario and run through Mississauga city centre, where up to 120,000 new residents are expected within the next decade.

Mississauga’s City Centre Transit Terminal, located north of the Square One shopping centre, is the main hub of the Mississauga Transit system, providing connections to local bus and regional transportation services through GO Transit (there’s no GO rail station in the city centre; the nearest one is in Cooksville).


...

The corridor connects with three GO lines, two urban growth centres (downtown Brampton and downtown Mississauga) and five mobility hubs — Port Credit, Cooksville, Mississauga city centre, downtown Brampton (Main Street) and Bramalea — as identified by the province.

Cheers, m

What you mean you don't want a subway? Only kidding, smart choice they are making.

I do not like the shared ROW north of Steeles, but I understand the rationale. Main St. is really narrow north of Nanwood Dr, and I do not think the road can be widened without destroying historic property.

I have not heard of plans to extend the LRT north of downtown Brampton. I hope this is taken into consideration someday, and hopefully and an LRT line to Bramalea is at least studied.

This is a good way to do LRT.

A separated median ensures that cars don't interfere with the train's operations.

Hopefully, the trains aren't constrained by traffic lights either.

I do not like the shared ROW north of Steeles, but I understand the rationale. Main St. is really narrow north of Nanwood Dr, and I do not think the road can be widened without destroying historic property.

I have not heard of plans to extend the LRT north of downtown Brampton. I hope this is taken into consideration someday, and hopefully and an LRT line to Bramalea is at least studied.LRT along Main St. north of downtown Brampton and between Brampton and Bramalea are a possibility but it will really depend on two factors - the success of the ZUM service on Hurontario (Mayfield Rd. down to Square One) and Queen St, and the development changes that occur along Hurontario and Queen St. as a result.

As for Rapid Transit on the perpendicular corridors, there are some plans but the only one that appears to be a definite LRT is the Lakeshore corridor (Long Branch to Port Credit) and that is really because:

a) there used to be a radial railway along Lakeshore
b) the 501 streetcar already goes to Long Branch
c) there are hopes for the waterfront west LRT

Even for Dundas, they are only saying "rapid transit" as opposed to LRT.

Cheers, m

What you mean you don't want a subway? Only kidding, smart choice they are making.hahah interesting - but a lot of people do want a subway and believe that the subway can be extended along Dundas and up Hurontario with ease.

Otherwise, the subway could follow the busy rail corridor. Of course, with ease.

Really, tho, if there ever were a subway in Mississauga, Hurontario would be "the corridor" but it would have to see some serious development first.

I recall that TRZ once proposed that the Bloor-Danforth line could be extended into Mississauga ... along....wait for it ... Bloor.

I guess it would become the Bloor-Dundas-Bloor-Danforth line

Cheers, m

I recall that TRZ once proposed that the Bloor-Danforth line could be extended into Mississauga ... along....wait for it ... Bloor.

I guess it would become the Bloor-Dundas-Bloor-Danforth line

Cheers, m

The 1/101/201 Dundas/Express has much higher ridership than 3 Bloor. The Dundas corridor also has much higher redevelopment potential than the Bloor corridor.

The 1/101/201 Dundas/Express has much higher ridership than 3 Bloor. The Dundas corridor also has much higher redevelopment potential than the Bloor corridor.Agreed ... On the other hand, if Mississauga just wanted an extension of the Toronto subway to Square One / MCC (rather than its own Rapid Transit system) Bloor would probably be the fastest and most direct corridor ... running through 'dense' neighbourhoods (for Mississauga) with major cross-streets for bus access.

But because Mississauga of the way that Mississauga has developed and because of the strong influence of travel towards Toronto's subway (and to a lesser extent, the 501 streetcar), they will be building their own "rapid transit system" rather than just a subway extension ...

As I recall, one of the reasons why Dundas is still referred to as "rapid transit" in city plans is because there is a call for LRT east of Hurontario and BRT to the west. This is because a significant portion of ridership for Dundas is to and from the subway and it changes buses at Hurontario.

Cheers, m

I thought the plan was to make another BRT that conected from Port Credit all the way into Brampton's Downtownt :?

I thought the plan was to make another BRT that conected from Port Credit all the way into Brampton's Downtownt :?Both city councils gave approval to have the project as an LRT.

Until that happens, there will be all-day express bus services at least 6 days a week on the Hurontario Corridor. Mississauga's new MiExpress route 103 (new route from Port Credit to Shopper's World, bypassing Square One) starts in September. It replaces the existing 202 express bus (which only runs during peak hours on weekdays).

The existing MiExpress route 102 (Square One to Shopper's World) will be replaced by Brampton's ZUM 502 from Brampton GO to Square One.

More express bus service at the end of this summer, and a future LRT for Hurontario (assuming they can get the funding, of course)

Cheers, m

Thanks for the info allurban :)

Sounds like going to SQ1 is getting easier and easier!

Ok, here's the official announcement on the upcoming changeshttp://www.mississauga.ca/portal/miway/hurontariostreet

http://www.mississauga.ca/file/COM/MiWay_HurontarioCorridorMap_502x995.png

Introducing more frequent service, extended service hours and additional weekend service in the Hurontario-Main Street corridor for customers travelling between Mississauga and Brampton.

MiWay and Brampton Transit are working together to launch two new Express services to serve customers travelling between Mississauga and Brampton to help grow ridership in support of a future light rail transit (LRT) system along the Hurontario-Main Street corridor.

For details on these service changes, which take effect on Tuesday, Sept. 6, 2011, please click on the selections below:

MiWay Route 103 (http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/miway/route103) - Hurontario Express (MiExpress) - Monday to Saturday all-day express service from Port Credit to Shopper's World, bypassing Square One;
Brampton Transit Route 502 (http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/miway/zummain) - Main (ZUM) - Monday to Sunday all-day express service from Sandalwood Parkway to Square One;
MiWay Route 19 (http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/miway/route19) - Hurontario (MiLocal) - includes route 19, 19A, 19B & a new Saturday 19C. Service on Route 19 will be pulled back to the GO terminal at Highway 407 where passengers will interchange (free transfer) with Brampton Transit's Route 2 - Main.

Cheers, m

This would have been a nice service when I was attending Sheridan a decade ago, ah well, the kids these days just won't get to play County Court Roulette

I can't wait for the mayor of brampton to put up some BRT system that goes along steeles.

Regarding to the proposal, i think it make more sense to just fully develop that BRT system going north-south along the HWY10 from mississauga to brampton, instead of building an LRT system that would only take a lot of our road space.

But if ever they gonna proceed the LRT system in the future, then they better build an elevated LRT instead of the above the ground-level. Unless if they can afford to build a subway system, like a lucky shot in the moon.

Zum will be operating along Steeles in the fall.

Regarding to the proposal, i think it make more sense to just fully develop that BRT system going north-south along the HWY10 from mississauga to brampton, instead of building an LRT system that would only take a lot of our road space.

A BRT in a private ROW would take away road space from private automobiles and it wouldn't be nearly as attractive or as comfortable a ride as LRT would be.

Let me guess, you hardly take transit and drive everywhere?

Regarding to the proposal, i think it make more sense to just fully develop that BRT system going north-south along the HWY10 from mississauga to brampton, instead of building an LRT system that would only take a lot of our road space.


Do buses fly now?

Zum will be operating along Steeles in the fall.

Thank you.

A BRT in a private ROW would take away road space from private automobiles and it wouldn't be nearly as attractive or as comfortable a ride as LRT would be.

Let me guess, you hardly take transit and drive everywhere?

I mostly drive around peel region since i work and live here. And i used to take the buses all the time before i got my car, and do take subways whenever i go to downtown toronto.

My point is, atleast its cheaper to stick with the BRT system, and if they can implement the same BRT system like the one in Colombia with its dedicated lanes for the buses then thats even great. And yes ofcourse will take away part of the road space specially if they move the dedicated lanes to the middle. Because right now, the BRT system we have here is still sharing with private vehicles in the road, no dedicated lanes yet.

Have you ever tried riding in an LRT (Light Rail Transit) trains before?

The LRT can be elevated and will only stop at every stations, no traffic lights. But if they decided to put it at ground level then it has to yield and follow the traffic lights, stop at red lights.

Do buses fly now?

WT heck are you talking about? :lol: :nuts:

Example of LRT (Light Rail Transit):

SINGAPORE
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PHILIPPINES
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BRT IN COLOMBIA
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I mostly drive around peel region since i work and live here. And i used to take the buses all the time before i got my car, and do take subways whenever i go to downtown toronto.

I'm not surprised by this and your pro BRT over LRT response.... Surface LRT is not nearly as bad as you've implied.

My point is, atleast its cheaper to stick with the BRT system, and if they can implement the same BRT system like the one in Colombia with its dedicated lanes for the buses then thats even great. And yes ofcourse will take away part of the road space specially if they move the dedicated lanes to the middle. Because right now, the BRT system we have here is still sharing with private vehicles in the road, no dedicated lanes yet.

*facepalm* Yes, I partially agree, and true BRT system would work great in some parts of the GTA, but LRT is a better upgrade in my opinion. People are least attracted to transit when it is in bus form and sure, everyone wants subways everywhere, but the reality is that it won't happen like that here. Also, LRT could easily address capacity issues in the future and will handle it much better than a BRT system can.

Have you ever tried riding in an LRT (Light Rail Transit) trains before?

Sure have, RATP T3 line in Paris and it is GREAT! Quick, efficient, all door loading, signal priority in a dedicated lane, can't wait until we get true LRTs here in Toronto. Hurontario will benefit quite substantially as well once funding is secured and construction is completed.

The LRT can be elevated and will only stop at every stations, no traffic lights. But if they decided to put it at ground level then it has to yield and follow the traffic lights, stop at red lights.

We don't live in a fantasy land with money available for projects in every corridor. We have to make do with what we have, and elevated LRT is pointless, Why spend 3x as much just to make a somewhat faster ride? It's not all about speed you know, it's about transit accessibility and serving the most riders in a large area. No offense, but you sound like you were part of that Save our Subways group in Toronto and they were only concerned about the Sheppard subway and ignoring the rest of Toronto, most notably the residents of Malvern and Rexdale.

^^I think you misunderstood me. And that's what i was saying, if we can afford it why not? In regards to Transit City around GTA, they have all my support for the LRT because it is much cheaper to build, very good favor for the GTA residence.

Because I am against to any subway system as much as i hate Rob Ford! But make no mistake though, if we can afford the subways then why not right? If so then i have to love mr. Ford but he's ACTING like an idiot. I think subways will still have the most efficient service more than LRT or BRT. But like mr. Ford, he couldn't even come up with any reasonable explanations where to find money to fund any expensive subway not unless if they bend over and use submaterials from china for our subways that wouldn't last any 5 yrs or 10 yrs before it cave in! :lol:

Back to peel region. And yes, i love LRT, but again if we can afford it why not? I'm not sure though how much extra gold bullions does brampton and mississauga combined hehe but if they can fund it all the way from Lakeshore to Sandalwood prkwy atleast that would be great. Just one rail line will do it.

Now let's be realistic, can we really afford any LRT line system along hwy 10 for mississauga/brampton or just settle down with the much cheaper BRT? Come to think of this, if any BRT buses have to abide with ROW as much as what the ground-level LRT trains have to do, then it just make more sense to better off with BRT system then. Since yourself said that its not about the speed but rather its all about the service, then why not BRT? The only difference is that the Buses could only carry less passengers compared with LRV/LRT trains. BRT buses could also be run on electricity as LRT/LRV trains. They could also put additional buses for the BRT, or use those articulated buses so they could ferry more people. And if you could only watch and see how the BRT stations look with their identical automated ticketing system and all other service like what we can find from LRT system, you would love it too. So its just a matter of political will to release any available funds for either LRT or BRT, and which they can really afford without hitting hard on our taxpayer's pockets.

The combined local and express bus service along Hurontario Street (routes 19 and 103) already operates at an average frequency of 3 minutes 14 seconds all day on weekdays. BRT is simply not a viable or cost-effective option for Hurontario.

I lived in a city that has LRT and buses and there is simply no comparison between the level of comfort, reliability and speed between the two systems. LRT is the best option by far.

When considering subway or LRT, and thinking about my experience, riding everyday in a underground tunnel is NOT good for you... LRT is so much better. You see the stret, the light during the day and there are no looong staircases, nor emergy stops in the middle of a dark tunnel. Not to say anything about the cost of building and operating, LRT wins by far. Porto LRT system has 90% of its operating costs covered by tickets and monthly passes, something that would never happen if the choice had been a full subway. The only advantage i see in undergroud systems is the capacity.

The traffic lights in the city i lived were programmed to let the LRT never stop. It was the car that had to stop whenever a LRT was approaching, which i agree.

Another secondary benefit of LRT is that it can be used to improve the streets it goes through. It makes the traffic way more disciplined and can be used to beautify the street.

When considering subway or LRT, and thinking about my experience, riding everyday in a underground tunnel is NOT good for you...

Says who?

Not to say anything about the cost of building and operating, LRT wins by far.
Porto LRT system has 90% of its operating costs covered by tickets and monthly passes, something that would never happen if the choice had been a full subway.

Ummm.... you do realize the TTC subway sustem has approximiately 90% cost recovery, don't you?

Another secondary benefit of LRT is that it can be used to improve the streets it goes through. It makes the traffic way more disciplined and can be used to beautify the street.

Noeither Bloor or Yonge are ugly streets with heavy and chaotic traffic. LRT is not important as a means of calming traffic and I'd argue that LRT wires make a street uglier.

Ummm.... you do realize the TTC subway sustem has approximiately 90% cost recovery, don't you?

Could have been 100% if not for the Sheppard Subway.


Noeither Bloor or Yonge are ugly streets with heavy and chaotic traffic. LRT is not important as a means of calming traffic and I'd argue that LRT wires make a street uglier.

Ummm.. He is saying street revitalization is usually accompanied with LRT projects, and that is very much true. In many projects, it's a reason LRT projects are so expensive.
As for traffic, you missed his point. He is saying traffic capacity is made more efficient with street-level LRT, and that is true. The hundreds of buses trundling along Finch are set to be replace with fewer vehicles with higher capacity. How is that not traffic calming? I am sure you read John Lornic's globe article on the St. Clair corridor.

The combined local and express bus service along Hurontario Street (routes 19 and 103) already operates at an average frequency of 3 minutes 14 seconds all day on weekdays. BRT is simply not a viable or cost-effective option for Hurontario.

Brampton's Zum is actually a BRT system that run along hwy10:
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/New-Bus-Rapid-Transit-Service-Moves-Forward-in-Brampton-1046951.htm

Meanwhile i believe that the mississauga's MiWay will be converted to BRT as well in the future:
http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/miway/brt

I lived in a city that has LRT and buses and there is simply no comparison between the level of comfort, reliability and speed between the two systems. LRT is the best option by far.

When considering subway or LRT, and thinking about my experience, riding everyday in a underground tunnel is NOT good for you... LRT is so much better. You see the stret, the light during the day and there are no looong staircases, nor emergy stops in the middle of a dark tunnel. Not to say anything about the cost of building and operating, LRT wins by far. Porto LRT system has 90% of its operating costs covered by tickets and monthly passes, something that would never happen if the choice had been a full subway. The only advantage i see in undergroud systems is the capacity.

The traffic lights in the city i lived were programmed to let the LRT never stop. It was the car that had to stop whenever a LRT was approaching, which i agree.

Another secondary benefit of LRT is that it can be used to improve the streets it goes through. It makes the traffic way more disciplined and can be used to beautify the street.

The GTA's Transit City may have already considered a similar LRT system that goes along with the local traffic ROW street-level where local traffic would stop with the programmed traffic lights such as what you said. I am against that idea though given the fact that GTA is already crowded with cars.

Regarding to the proposal, i think it make more sense to just fully develop that BRT system going north-south along the HWY10...

If you're championing for as urban as an LRT, call the street by its name, this isn't the backwoods of Caledon here.

Brampton's Zum is actually a BRT system that run along hwy10:
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/New-Bus-Rapid-Transit-Service-Moves-Forward-in-Brampton-1046951.htm

Zum isn't BRT. It's a limited stop service running in mixed traffic. This is the problem with agencies using the BRT moniker to describe any bus service other than a basic route.


Meanwhile i believe that the mississauga's MiWay will be converted to BRT as well in the future:
http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/miway/brt

The Mississauga BRT is part of a larger regional system that GO, and Mississauga are building jointly. The BRT is being built in exlusive ROW along the 403, Eastgate Parkway, and Eglinton Ave W. You can see major construction occuring along the 403 just east of Hurontario, along Eastgate, and along Eglinton Ave. E. MiWay is not the name for the BRT, Miway is the new name for Mississauga Transit.

MiWay is the new name for Mississauga Transit.

If you're championing for as urban as an LRT, call the street by its name, this isn't the backwoods of Caledon here.

I was born and raised in Brampton, and we always said Hwy 10.

Zum isn't BRT. It's a limited stop service running in mixed traffic. This is the problem with agencies using the BRT moniker to describe any bus service other than a basic route.



The Mississauga BRT is part of a larger regional system that GO, and Mississauga are building jointly. The BRT is being built in exlusive ROW along the 403, Eastgate Parkway, and Eglinton Ave W. You can see major construction occuring along the 403 just east of Hurontario, along Eastgate, and along Eglinton Ave. E. MiWay is not the name for the BRT, Miway is the new name for Mississauga Transit.

MiWay is the new name for Mississauga Transit.

While i agree with you, the politicians call the Zum as BRT only that they dont have any dedicated bus lanes yet. Not sure if they will build one in the future as i have never finished reading their rendering plans.

Thanks for the correction regarding the MiWay!

I was born and raised in Brampton, and we always said Hwy 10.

Agreed.

Transportfan strikes again. A lot of people in Mississauga also say "Highway 10". Why is that so hard to accept?

Ummm.. He is saying street revitalization is usually accompanied with LRT projects, and that is very much true. In many projects, it's a reason LRT projects are so expensive.
As for traffic, you missed his point. He is saying traffic capacity is made more efficient with street-level LRT, and that is true. The hundreds of buses trundling along Finch are set to be replace with fewer vehicles with higher capacity. How is that not traffic calming? I am sure you read John Lornic's globe article on the St. Clair corridor.

Ummm... he wasn't comparing LRT to buses. He was comparing LRT to subways. To say that LRT is better than subways because of traffic calming is ridiculous.

^^I think you misunderstood me. And that's what i was saying, if we can afford it why not? In regards to Transit City around GTA, they have all my support for the LRT because it is much cheaper to build, very good favor for the GTA residence.

Because I am against to any subway system as much as i hate Rob Ford! But make no mistake though, if we can afford the subways then why not right? If so then i have to love mr. Ford but he's ACTING like an idiot. I think subways will still have the most efficient service more than LRT or BRT. But like mr. Ford, he couldn't even come up with any reasonable explanations where to find money to fund any expensive subway not unless if they bend over and use submaterials from china for our subways that wouldn't last any 5 yrs or 10 yrs before it cave in! :lol:

I pretty much agree with what you're saying here.

Back to peel region. And yes, i love LRT, but again if we can afford it why not? I'm not sure though how much extra gold bullions does brampton and mississauga combined hehe but if they can fund it all the way from Lakeshore to Sandalwood prkwy atleast that would be great. Just one rail line will do it.

Again, no argument from me! Whether it becomes reality, remains to be seen!

Now let's be realistic, can we really afford any LRT line system along hwy 10 for mississauga/brampton or just settle down with the much cheaper BRT? Come to think of this, if any BRT buses have to abide with ROW as much as what the ground-level LRT trains have to do, then it just make more sense to better off with BRT system then. Since yourself said that its not about the speed but rather its all about the service, then why not BRT? The only difference is that the Buses could only carry less passengers compared with LRV/LRT trains. BRT buses could also be run on electricity as LRT/LRV trains. They could also put additional buses for the BRT, or use those articulated buses so they could ferry more people. And if you could only watch and see how the BRT stations look with their identical automated ticketing system and all other service like what we can find from LRT system, you would love it too. So its just a matter of political will to release any available funds for either LRT or BRT, and which they can really afford without hitting hard on our taxpayer's pockets.

To be honest, I might like BRT, but I probably won't love it. Why? I'm a railfan at heart and anything on rails I have a soft spot for. :) I don't deny that BRT is useful and will help add to capacity in the GTA. For any regional or local transit network to be successful it will require all types of modes.

To say that LRT is better than subways because of traffic calming is ridiculous.

Just out of curiousity, what's your definition of traffic calming?

^^Same here, i am a rail fan too and i love to see more trains specially those great designed LRV/LRT trains. At the same time as you can see i was just trying to be reasonable and trying to be realistic as much as possible for the sake of this discussion. :cheers:

^^Same here, i am a rail fan too and i love to see more trains specially those great designed LRV/LRT trains. At the same time as you can see i was just trying to be reasonable and trying to be realistic as much as possible for the sake of this discussion. :cheers:

No worries! Cheers to that. :cheers:

I just enjoy transit discussion with those who are open minded enough to accept both sides of the coin. ;)

Transportfan strikes again. A lot of people in Mississauga also say "Highway 10". Why is that so hard to accept?


I know they do, but that's because people in Peel, as in the rest of the 905, have a tendancy towards the use of rural nomenclature, which no amount of urbanization has yet been able to dislodge. But it's now becoming a major urban area, so the labels should follow suit, especially by those who advocate for urbanism.

What I find so hard to accept is that people would call streets in such heavilly built-up areas highways, especially when they don't even have numbers anymore. Picture the area around Dundas: A dense area built up for half a century, quite a few pedestrians, and planned to have that most quintessential of urban transit facilities,an LRT line, running along it. How so many brains can be wired to think "highway" when seeing that escapes my comprehension.

Description of a Highway:

A main road or thoroughfare, such as a street, boulevard, or parkway, available to the public for use for travel or transportation.

A main public road, especially one connecting towns and cities.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/highway

I was born and raised in Brampton, and we always said Hwy 10.

We always called it Main Street

The only problem in calling it by name, it sometimes create some confusions because there are other street around peel and halton regions with same Main Street that is not belong to HWY 10 route. Worst that street name is everywhere we go here in ontario.

Description of a Highway:

A main road or thoroughfare, such as a street, boulevard, or parkway, available to the public for use for travel or transportation.

A main public road, especially one connecting towns and cities.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/highway

If that was the explanation, people would call every street a highway.

WT heck are you talking about? :lol: :nuts:

You suggested building out a BRT system instead of LRT system that would only take up a lot of precious road space so the logical question became do you think buses can fly because you know, a real BRT system would take up more road space than LRT.

You suggested building out a BRT system instead of LRT system that would only take up a lot of precious road space so the logical question became do you think buses can fly because you know, a real BRT system would take up more road space than LRT.


Yeahman just add wings to the buses and there it flies!

If that was the explanation, people would call every street a highway.


Only main roads can be called a highway. But a main road can also be called a street just as the Hurontario St. I hope you get the point now. :)

I know they do, but that's because people in Peel, as in the rest of the 905, have a tendancy towards the use of rural nomenclature, which no amount of urbanization has yet been able to dislodge. But it's now becoming a major urban area, so the labels should follow suit, especially by those who advocate for urbanism.

What I find so hard to accept is that people would call streets in such heavilly built-up areas highways, especially when they don't even have numbers anymore. Picture the area around Dundas: A dense area built up for half a century, quite a few pedestrians, and planned to have that most quintessential of urban transit facilities,an LRT line, running along it. How so many brains can be wired to think "highway" when seeing that escapes my comprehension.

People can call it a Shitway 10, I don't care. Getting upset over a nickname is a waste of time. Especialy getting upset over "highway" being used to describe an urban section of a major intercity road when there is nothing that says "highway" must only refer to the rural sections of major intercity roads or freeways. If you want to be so technical about words, you should at least get the technical meanings correct.

You're only responding to that now? I thought that was going to be an update on the LRT.