By urbandreamer on UT.

From my twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/RealNet_Canada) feed today:

RealNet_Canada RealNet Canada Inc.
High Density Resland sale of 460 Yonge Street, Toronto | Purchased by Canderel | Price: $22,000,000 | No development applications submitted


By Traynor on UT.

They can't possibly touch Odd Fellows Hall, but the site, just behind and to the right, is fairly large. (21 Grenville will be right next door behind the Hall in this pic. And 501 only a block North on the other side of Yonge.)

http://i.imgur.com/25RRx.jpg
(Screen Capture courtesy Google Streetview here: http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Yonge+St+%26+College+St,+Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+Ontario+M5B+1L2&aq=&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=29.212058,86.572266&ie=UTF8&geocode=FTg4mgIdyrVE-w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Yonge+St+%26+College+St,+Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+Ontario+M5B+1L2&ll=43.661299,-79.383005&spn=0.000499,0.001321&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=43.661368,-79.383094&panoid=H7rCun9k0_RFmwasDHIPFg&cbp=12,291.51,,0,-19.55 )


By caltrane74 on UT.

From my iphone last night

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/caltrane32/photo-79.jpg

They had better not touch Oddfellows....... :mad:
But the way things are going... the vicinity of that corner is going to be in hot demand now. Yonge Street is bulking up fast!

When I move to Toronto in exactly 4 weeks time, it will be buildings like that which will make me feel at home. I will chain myself to the front of it if they threaten to demolish it! (BTW, not Hoops sports and grill...they can demolish that :) )

They had better not touch Oddfellows....... :mad:
But the way things are going... the vicinity of that corner is going to be in hot demand now. Yonge Street is bulking up fast!

Yeah and that St. Charles clock tower better not be torn down either. (in the future) We don't have many old, historic buildings on Yonge Street but the ones we have, need to be saved and spruced up. The Yonge Street strip is going crazy with huge developments. The pedestrian traffic on that street is going to be insane, with those small sidewalks.

When I move to Toronto in exactly 4 weeks time, it will be buildings like that which will make me feel at home. I will chain myself to the front of it if they threaten to demolish it! (BTW, not Hoops sports and grill...they can demolish that :) )

I'll show you around a bit if you like! :yes:

Oh, please let it be somthing art deco-ish! That would make my year. As well as Aura having reached exactly 14 stories on December 29th, 2011 ;) :cheers:

It's pretty incredible though. I wouldn't have imagined Yonge getting any sort of streetwall 5 years ago and now look.. Aura, those twin (bland) 192 metre towers across the street, this, 45 St Joseph (sort of), 1 Bloor..unreal
Can't wait to see Steveve update his model on SSP..

I'll show you around a bit if you like! :yes:

Cheers mate!

I'm kind of excited to see what this turns into, I wish there was more info on it :(. I can't complain though after all we did just find out about it lol

This is epic news. Yonge/College is an intersection definitely on the rise, and I've always felt this block (minus Oldfellows Hall) had tremendous redevlopment potential. This is easily the most exciting time in the modern era for Toronto, we've only recently heard news of a twin 58 storey development a block away and now we on to the next one! :cool:

This is epic news. Yonge/College is an intersection definitely on the rise, and I've always felt this block (minus Oldfellows Hall) had tremendous redevlopment potential. This is easily the most exciting time in the modern era for Toronto, we've only recently heard news of a twin 58 storey development a block away and now we on to the next one! :cool:

Ya lets just hope its equal in size to the twin 58 story proposals but in ONE TOWER that would easily reach over 300m, getting fed up and sick of twin towers when we can COULD be building some truly tall amazing towers in their place.

Would be nice to get at least 1 iconic tower in this 5 year long building boom. Mississauga got Absolute and we're still waiting for our 1st show stopper. One Bloor might come close, but we'll have to see. It would be a shame if we didn't get even 1 'look at me' building.

You don't think Aura or L will demand much attention?

How about 4 Seasons and the Ritz? I think we've just been getting so many they don't stand out as much like Absolute does with their ugly condo neighbors.

I'd say 1 Bloor, Aura, L Tower, The Ritz, Ice will stand out quite nicely. I think if they were women, they'd be the Angelina Jolies and Catherine Zeta Jones of the world. The glitzy, glowing neon novelty extravaganzas of Dubai might "stand out" more, but to my eyes they are more the Paris Hiltons of the world.
I think the truth is we have had so much development in the last ten years that people are getting jaded with everything.

i agree, aura, ritz, 4 seasons, l tower, 1 bloor, ice, and many other towers will stand out at the end of this boom.

^^ Stand out in Toronto maybe. I was referring to a globally iconic building. Toronto currently has just one, the CN Tower. It would be nice to get a 2nd globally significant building out of this long construction boom.

You don't think Aura or L will demand much attention?

Not by a long shot. They're not iconic structures of their time in the same way the CN Tower, John Hancock, or Petronas are. There are 30-50 buildings like AURA or L Tower around the world. Very good, but not special.

Absolute and possibly Bow are as close as Canada has gotten to building an iconic building in a number of decades, but neither is quite of that stature. Am I jaded? No, just call a spade a spade.

I'd say Absolute comes the closest we have to that appallingly overused "World Klass" cliché "iconic" since "New City Hall" was designed in the '50's. I'd not place The Bow in the same sentence as "iconic", seeing as Iconic means "one of a kind", and looking like a taller version of Toronto City Hall in Bondage just doesn't cut it for me.
Just sayin'!

I think Absolute World is a world class building(s). It is an iconic design...shame it's not in Toronto downtown. isaidso is right, all the others are nice enough, and add to the skyline, but none make you go Wow! First time I saw AW I went WOW!

Sorry, just realised I repeated what TB said...still, it is true.

Getting it "just right" is extremely difficult for an architect. Often what looks "iconic" on the drawing board winds up looking a little blah in real life (intensified sometimes by inaccurate or even outright falsified renderings). Somehow the visual (and sculptural) balance of Absolute is spot on perfect.... it has an instantly recognized "WOW" factor. I don't see this a lot in run of the mill "novelty" structures that have popped up galore in in places like Dubai. A truly Iconic building commands admiration, whereas an Attention Whore building attempts to demand it.

Mmm, I think I'd be a lot more "wowed" by it if I wasn't so distracted by its dismal setting.

So how many Iconic buildings should one city have?

Hmm, ideally one per million people in the metro area, but no less than one per every two million. So Toronto should have 3-6. :yes:

So how many Iconic buildings should one city have?

Depends on what people consider "iconic". There are those who long for an "iconic" building on every street corner, and five or six inbetween.... a la Dubai. That really requires a specially-abled definition of "iconic", however.

Getting it "just right" is extremely A truly Iconic building commands admiration, whereas an Attention Whore building attempts to demand it.

Not everyone is born with taste TB:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268482_2227687257702_1413421486_32633208_1644061_n.jpg

Mmm, I think I'd be a lot more "wowed" by it if I wasn't so distracted by its dismal setting

My new office is in Mississauga, when I asked my future colleagues whether any of them lived there...they just laughed. When I went to square one on my last trip, the area reminded me of a Moscow housing estate...before the iron curtain came down! I nearly reconsidered emigrating I was so depressed by its soullessness.

Too bad we couldn't put the Absolute buildings in the spot now occupied by the Success buildings and vice versa lol. That would really seem a lot more appropriate!

I do LOVE aura, ice, 1 bloor, L tower, they are amazing and world class in their designs as far as I am concerned. However What I'm looking for is a truly "iconic" tower that has HEIGHT, aura is tall indeed, possibly 273m tall lol (or around there), but what I'm looking for is a tower that it roughly 350m to the roof or 375m to tip of the spire/fins/giant hat whatever, I think 400m is to big for Toronto right now and would have the CN Tower affect on everything around it, but a 350m tower that is as well designed as Ice and 1 bloor would be something that would be gaurenteed to cause all of us here to drop our jaws and poop our pants when we see the first render. :)

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268482_2227687257702_1413421486_32633208_1644061_n.jpg

The worlds ugliest building. Ever check out it's thread? Say anything bad about it and they pounce on you. It's pretty funny.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268482_2227687257702_1413421486_32633208_1644061_n.jpg

The worlds ugliest building. Ever check out it's thread? Say anything bad about it and they pounce on you. It's pretty funny.

I've been one of those! It is funny...some (not all) people from that part of the world are very sensitive and tend be quite insecure to critisism of any form, whether it be their buildings or their religion or whatever. I steer clear of it now, although I am off to Egypt just before I make my move to canada.

Personally, I wonder how many Muslims are secretly appalled that this Las Vegas style hotel looms over their most sacred site. It doesn't even have any poker tables or slots!

If you feel like making your eyes bleed, check out this thread on Ugly Skyscrapers:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=524747

Many of them are indeed "iconic", but not in a nice way....

I think that building is so out of place, especially in a religious setting like that. it ruins the feel.

As a Muslim I'll be the first to say I hate it.. some people just mix religion and architecture together and others identify that and have some fun with it. I don't really care, it'll just be something I have to ignore when/if I go for pilgrimage. :)

^^ That's comforting to hear. I've been berated as for my taste of the building as being against the Muslim people which is just ridiculous!

Is the Jumbo Clock supposed to look like Big Ben? It is certainly Iconic.

If the architect says no he's lieing.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01694/clock_1694458c.jpg

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Big Ben is the bell, TB ;) I'm just being facetious though.

If the architect says no he's lieing.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01694/clock_1694458c.jpg

When I look at that, I realise what I find most unappealing about this tower. It looks like the top has been removed and the "brains" and machinery have been exposed. It is pig ugly. Then of course the rest of it is kitsch, and the location...what the hell were they thinking? They've made a laughing stock of Mecca. I'd pay Al Qaeda to bomb that ugly beast!

Anyway, guess this has gone wildly off-topic, but without a design to discuss, we can only speculate, and hope that we don't go all Mecca. 3 weeks I'll be in Toronto. I'm in a suite near the Rogers stadium, so hoping I get a decent view of the downtown.

Hopefully you'll be on the north-east side of the Renaissance then as any other location would leave you with a westerly or stadium view.

When I look at that, I realise what I find most unappealing about this tower. It looks like the top has been removed and the "brains" and machinery have been exposed. It is pig ugly. Then of course the rest of it is kitsch, and the location...what the hell were they thinking? They've made a laughing stock of Mecca. I'd pay Al Qaeda to bomb that ugly beast!

Anyway, guess this has gone wildly off-topic, but without a design to discuss, we can only speculate, and hope that we don't go all Mecca. 3 weeks I'll be in Toronto. I'm in a suite near the Rogers stadium, so hoping I get a decent view of the downtown.

Lol, I wouldn't count on that happening :P

^^ Going all Mecca, or getting a nice view of downtown? The former is unlikely, the latter is quite possible! :yes:

Posted by urbandreamer on UT.

It's gonna be 55s.

http://twitter.com/#!/BlacktowerTV

BlacktowerTV Lawrence Black
NEW DEVELOPMENT UPDATE!!! 55 STOREY TOWER AT 464 YONGE ST. YOU HEARD IT AT BLACKTOWER.TV FIRST!!! STAY TUNED FOR MORE INFO!
19 Jun

Posted by urbandreamer on UT.

It's gonna be 55s.

http://twitter.com/#!/BlacktowerTV

BlacktowerTV Lawrence Black
NEW DEVELOPMENT UPDATE!!! 55 STOREY TOWER AT 464 YONGE ST. YOU HEARD IT AT BLACKTOWER.TV FIRST!!! STAY TUNED FOR MORE INFO!
19 Jun

55?? Well this was a bust, I was hoping for a LARGE building at this location. It most likely will not even reach 200m.

^ Maybe it'll have a spire and end up even taller than you expected! :tiasd:

^ Maybe it'll have a spire and end up even taller than you expected! :tiasd:

true, so maybe my estimate of 175m will go to 190!!! OH JOY! :bash: :P

Yonge/College is in beast mode right now with all these projects. The middle portion of the downtown skyline is bulking up quite nicely.

Now seeking 60 storeys

460 YONGE ST

OPA / Rezoning 11 296426 STE 27 OZ Ward 27
- Tor & E.York Oct 20, 2011 --- --- --- ---

Rezoning application to permit the redevelopment of the lands for a new mixed use building , 60 stories in height complete with 3 levels of commercial/office space, 599 residential units above and 196 parking spaces in a below grade parking structure

Rumoured to be the new, unannounced RAW design tower.

http://www.yongestreetmedia.ca/devnews/tootall1005.aspx?utm_source=VerticalResponse&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Too+Tall+exhibit+features+4+architects+on+the+fine+art+of+sky+scraping&utm_content=%7bEmail_Address%7d&utm_campaign=YSM+Weekly%3a+Drawing+inspiration+from+wherever+we+find+it

RAW's own tallest building in the works is an as-yet unannounced 60-storey tower in Toronto.

seems that 60 is the new 50. Toronto is awesome, and even if there's a bit of a downtown on the medium-term horizon, I can only see this city leading North America for the next decade in terms of skyscraper construction.

Height: 207m to top including mechanical, 198.5m to top floor. Good bye Hoops!

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac46/Fastwalking/460Yonge2.jpg

Yay! Pretty tall. Can't wait for some renders!

Could be nice depending on the level of finishes. Can't get all misty eyed about the loss of Hoops; its always been one of those loud, impersonal generic sports bars to me.

Could be nice depending on the level of finishes. Can't get all misty eyed about the loss of Hoops; its always been one of those loud, impersonal generic sports bars to me.

And they've already opened 2 new locations anyway. Hopefully a Real Sports type bar opens in Aura or somewhere near by. This area could handle one. As far as this design goes, it looks like the balconies curve or angle in towards the wave. This could look nice. For fans of boxes like me this will work well with Karma, Murano, and Burano.

It looks more promising than the twin proposals at 501 Yonge. I had hoped for better across the street, but this area is shedding off its hideous appearance in a hurry. Both the 460 and 501 sites can't come down fast enough. With these, 5ive, AURA, and One Bloor things are looking up. Another 20-30 buildings and the downtown stretch of Yonge will look more fitting for the main street of a wealthy G8 nation.

Another 20-30 buildings and the downtown stretch of Yonge will look more fitting for the main street of a wealthy G8 nation.

Looking North on Yonge. Red are proposals with correct height massing. Green U/C.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7389/torontomodel002.jpg

Looking South, 460 is in front of Aura in the view.

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7098/torontomodel003.jpg

Looks like a big city street! It's amazing what a difference 4 buildings will make on Yonge. 5ive isn't even in that shot so it will look even better. I read somewhere yesterday that there are 7 condos U/C or about to start construction with 3,800 units and another 7 condos with 3,500 units proposed for the Yonge corridor south of Bloor. It would easily translate into another 10,000 new residents on the already crowded Yonge subway line and the sidewalk.

It's going to be busy like a Tokyo street in about 10 years. :cheers1:

It's going to be busy like a Tokyo street in about 10 years. :cheers1:


Don't going saying that over on SSP, they'll tear you an new A-hole. Toronto is not allowed to resemble anything but Toronto. Ugly, grey, industrial, boxy, and of lesser quality then a certain western city ;)

It's going to be busy like a Tokyo street in about 10 years. :cheers1:

Whoopee :ohno:

It's going to be busy like a Tokyo street in about 10 years. :cheers1:

Whoopee! :D

Whoopie! http://static.rp-online.de/layout/fotos/120x96/074903_BUNTE_PERSONALITY_GOLDBERG_FRA10140f636d9000c.jpg

Don't going saying that over on SSP, they'll tear you an new A-hole. Toronto is not allowed to resemble anything but Toronto. Ugly, grey, industrial, boxy, and of lesser quality then a certain western city ;)

Last time I checked in there, dleung and the Über-Angry(tm) Habsfanman (who is now under the guise of "The Gibbroni" after finally having been banned)
were still obsessed with Toronto! hehe....

habsfanman got his account closed I thought.. LOL but ya, its fairly depressing over there. and with UT being so uptight, This is the best forum! :P (I go to SSP for canadian updates, here for random conversation and to feel like a "local", and UT for the once-a-day updates on nearly all the projects in the city)

^^ Habsfanman got his account closed, but promptly made "The Gibbroni". He tried it here, too, but got turfed soon after. hehe....

Last time I checked in there, dleung and the Über-Angry(tm) Habsfanman (who is now under the guise of "The Gibbroni" after finally having been banned)
were still obsessed with Toronto! hehe....

Dleung and I get along on SSC, crazy I know. He even provided me with Cad files that I can build Toronto from.:nuts:

If I limited my world to people I see eye to eye with on all issues I'd be hanging out with myself. I'm not saying we should let toxic people into our lives, but it's worthwhile trying to get along with others.

If I limited my world to people I see eye to eye with on all issues I'd be hanging out with myself. I'm not saying we should let toxic people into our lives, but it's worthwhile trying to get along with others.

This is true, but some people should be avoided at all costs because all they do is stir up crap lol. And thats when Banning comes in handy! On the other hand I kinda miss dreambrother, that was just sheer entertainment much of the time :D

This is true, but some people should be avoided at all costs because all they do is stir up crap lol. And thats when Banning comes in handy!

^^+1
There reaches a point when a shit disturber's only intent is to disrupt the forum. At that point it is time to leave the forum and find another more suitable outlet for passive/aggressive attacks, or vitriolic late night drunken rants; I'm not paid enough (anything, for that matter) to be a psychiatrist or a Nanny. This is just one of about 100.000 forums out there, and there is always a more suitable match for people not dealing well with anger-management issues.
I credit Dream Brother with one big character trait; he is the only one of the returning trolls who has never lied about his identity once he gets nailed. The other ones have done an embarrassing amount of bald-faced lying trying to escape being squished. I lose respect watching grown men desperately lie over such a trivial affair. Plus, he is the only one that had a sense of humour, too.

This is true, but some people should be avoided at all costs because all they do is stir up crap lol. And thats when Banning comes in handy!

^^+1
There reaches a point when a shit disturber's only intent is to disrupt the forum. At that point it is time to leave the forum and find another more suitable outlet for their anger; I'm not paid enough (anything, for that matter) to be a psychiatrist or a Nanny. Besides, sometimes it is good for a bully to be stood up to; it can actually help them interact with others in a more civilised way next time they are in similar social forums.
I credit Dream Brother with one big character bonus; he is the only one of the returning trolls who has never lied about his identity once he gets nailed. The other ones have done an embarrassing amount of bald-faced lying trying to escape being squished. I lose respect watching grown men desperately lie over such a trivial affair.

^^+1
There reaches a point when a shit disturber's only intent is to disrupt the forum. At that point it is time to leave the forum and find another more suitable outlet for their anger; I'm not paid enough (anything, for that matter) to be a psychiatrist or a Nanny. Besides, sometimes it is good for a bully to be stood up to; it can actually help them interact with others in a more civilised way next time they are in similar social forums.
I credit Dream Brother with one big character bonus; he is the only one of the returning trolls who has never lied about his identity once he gets nailed. The other ones have done an embarrassing amount of bald-faced lying trying to escape being squished. I lose respect watching grown men desperately lie over such a trivial affair.

Over on SSP 4 years ago I banned myself to force a break, seeing as they were not about to ban about 10 members that were constant shit disturbers. It was almost like they were encouraged. Still to this day it is a very one sided biased site where one Canadian City gets constant praise, and one Canadian city get's constantly bashed. The mods don't seem to care and even seem to encourage that behavior.

This site everybody seems to get along much better and arguments don't seem to spill over from one thread to another. At SSP if you disagree in one thread you'll find trolls follow you to another and zero in on anything you have to say.

A poster called Whippersnapper is my troll over there, it's fun to feed him every now and then.

BTW if you're wondering how I got banned. After all of my complaints went unheeded, and the Toronto bashing continued I went through and removed all of my posts in each forum and replaced them with this.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nMmeViJEKQo/TJBnUZBtYwI/AAAAAAAAG0w/srGJOBB9yhI/s1600/korean-woman-fuck-you.jpeg

I sent a thank-you please ban me and good-bye to the mods. :)

There's no need to blow things out of proportion. WhipperSnapper is not trying to troll you any more than he's trying to troll Caltrane. You simply had a minor disagreement over Aura. It would be a mistake to equate him with dleung.

^^ There is a first rate mod now for the Toronto section, so I am confident problems will all be ironed out!! Ramako is doing a stellar job!! :okay:

Anyhow, back to the topic at hand, 460 Yonge Street

^^ There is a first rate mod now for the Toronto section, so I am confident problems will all be ironed out!! Ramako is doing a stellar job!! :okay:

Anyhow, back to the topic at hand, 460 Yonge Street

Thanks TB! You set the bar.

The community consultation meeting for this proposal is scheduled for Wednesday, February 29 at 7pm (doors open at 6:30), on the 2nd floor auditorium of the YMCA on Grosvenor.

I've been to a couple consultation meetings in this neighbourhood for Karma and 501 Yonge. The locals are very anti-development but I imagine that they must be dispirited after seeing each successive proposal in the area being larger than the last: First came Murano at 141m, then Burano at 163m, then Karma at 164m, then 501 Yonge at 192m, and now 460 Yonge at 207m.

There's no need to blow things out of proportion. WhipperSnapper is not trying to troll you any more than he's trying to troll Caltrane. You simply had a minor disagreement over Aura. It would be a mistake to equate him with dleung.


If only it was about Aura. He's been following me around for some time now. He is nowhere near as bad as dleung was here however, and dleung seems to have turned in to a more well rounded poster.

Caltrane while overly Toronto proud at an almost spamming level never seems to act negatively towards other cities so I think it's unfair of how he is treated at SSP.

Caltrane while overly Toronto proud at an almost spamming level never seems to act negatively towards other cities so I think it's unfair of how he is treated at SSP.

He's a good contributor, but isn't a reliable source of real information. He tends to pass his perceptions/wishes off as facts.

exactly. Dleung isn't as bad as he was here, but he is still overly vancouver. he constantly compliments bland vancouver condos, then comes and looks at a toronto development that s 10X better, and complains about it.


I don't like this building at all though. Im with the locals, Cancel it. now if they were to come out with a good design, I would be all for it ;)

It doesn't look all that different from One Bloor at this point. When actual renders come out, the picture will become much clearer.

It's going to be busy like a Tokyo street in about 10 years. :cheers1:

For the most part Tokyo is about as low density as the middle density parts of downtown Toronto (2-10 story buildings). It's just that their densest business districts bear the weight of 30 million people going to work every day.

460 Yonge Street, Toronto


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7197/6943774331_fc48915b66_b.jpg

Hmm, is that a slanted roof I see? At least part of it?

Looks cheap. Meh.

Where is this render coming from? Sorry, but it just looks really amateurishly done. I have a hard time believing it was put out by the developers...

The community meeting. It wouldn't be the official rendering, but rather just a preliminary one so the locals can understand what is going up.

Looks like a curtain wall. This, One Bloor, Massey and Theatre Park are like a family.

It looks like Yonge street will finally reflect its place as the main thoroughfare in Canada's largest city. By 2030, it might actually look good! One Bloor, 5ive, 501 Yonge, 460 Yonge, AURA, Ryerson Learning Centre, Massey Tower, L Tower, and hopefully another 40-50 projects later on. :yes:

http://www.newthinks.info/avatar3.jpgi'm kind of excited to see what this turns into

After moaning about the cladding on other towers, I don't want to be negative, as this is different..a bit...but it's also a bit Dubai, if you know what I mean. Maybe that's a step up from being a bit Vancouver!! I think I'll like it if the quality of meaterials is good.

This is far better than any thing in City Place so I don't understand the negativity. I'm looking forward to this one.

I think most are disappointed because it just looks like a cheaper version of One Bloor. On its own merits, it probably would not have been too bad.

However, if this was indeed just a quick rendering to give a sense of scale, I suppose we should reserve our judgements till something more official comes along.

I think most are disappointed because it just looks like a cheaper version of One Bloor. On its own merits, it probably would not have been too bad.


That was my suspicion as well. If there was no One Bloor or Massey Tower, we'd have received it far more favourably. This is a good looking building.