Looks s HDBish...

wat r those orangish building? hdb?

Yup... At Rowell Road

What will their facades be like? Is it just painted concrete like HDB?

It does look like a hdb, very much like ICON in fact.:D

looks like it will be a white facade with blue-tinted windows

looks like it will be a white facade with blue-tinted windows

Might not even be blue tinted windows since that is just the color of the protective plastic sheets. The white painted facade is only the protective layer. The final coat I think is sprayed-on light-beige enamel.

The overall effect is quite HDBish from certain angles.

hmmm ok...beige and enamel would be nicer, and tends to age better than white.

Quite a lot like HDB then... although new HDBs are looking more and more like condos.

ST article today on PA headquarters move to Tyrwhitt Road (beside Jalan Besar Stadium). Groundbreaking ceremony yesterday. Hopefully this will add more life to the area.:)

ST article today on PA headquarters move to Tyrwhitt Road (beside Jalan Besar Stadium). Groundbreaking ceremony yesterday. Hopefully this will add more life to the area.:)

There is already a new thread for this here: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=432970

I hope to see pics and renderings of this new HQ building if anyone has them.

21 Jan 2007

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/hyapic01/DSCF0707.jpg

It sure looks unimpressive and ugly from this side...
Let's just hope for a quick increase in density around the area so that it won't be so noticeable anymore.

Looks like The Great Wall of Jalan Besar from this view .... :rofl:

Lol, not bad what, all tall skyscrapers looks great to me.

This is Citylights as seen from the peaceful waters of the Kallang River. :) This infrared picture was taken in November last year and posted by someone in the Clubsnap forum.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2905/dsc1219v2cs8dl.jpg

Looks so normal...

For a moment, I thought we have snow in Singapore. :lol:

Lol, not bad what, all tall skyscrapers looks great to me.

Close. If we have snow, Singapore would look great with all the tree leaves turning white.....:nuts:

UGH! Icon looks better than Citylights. Feels to me like one of those serangoon road hdb blocks.

Hope Southbank saves the Lavender skyline.

So many disappointing condos...

I'll probably get shot for saying this here....but low-rise condos usually look a lot nicer than high-rise ones!

In that area, the best looking condo got to be Kerrisdale. I like Kerrisdale's brown-beige colors and structural design better.

Citylights just got a better view because of its height and proximity to the waterfront.

I'll probably get shot for saying this here....but low-rise condos usually look a lot nicer than high-rise ones!
Higher-rise condos are usually good for looking out afar ..... especially if one stays at the top floors. The top floors are also good for people who wants to feel a sense of isolation from the rest of the estate.

Low-rise condos gives residents more connection with the going-ons at the swimming pool and the clubhouse or simply enjoy the landscaping.

Highrise condos do contribute to the 'charming' and 'romantic' cityscape at night, with their lights on :D

Anyone know where to get satellite picture around citylights ?

Anyone know where to get satellite picture around citylights ?

Go to www.streetdirectory.com

Search for citylights

Click on the first result shown. It will bring you to a map.

Look for the "Satellite Image" link and click it. It will bring up the satellite map.

Go to www.streetdirectory.com

Search for citylights

Click on the first result shown. It will bring you to a map.

Look for the "Satellite Image" link and click it. It will bring up the satellite map.

Thks. I thought I can see the "live" image of current citylight.

Thks. I thought I can see the "live" image of current citylight.
U might want to try to download Google Earth to see more satellite maps. Too bad it is also not "live" and the maps are already quite outdated.

A hazy view of the city from the nearly completed blocks ....

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8436/citylightscityviews2ck8.jpg

Hi Maverick,

Can tell which stack and level you take this picture from ?

This shld be the middle block ... top level ...

YFG ... ...

Anyone knows when Citylights will be T.O.P? I'm pretty sure it will relaunch its remaining 200+ units when it's topped, I'm sure the views will be very impressive.
It'll be exciting to see how Capitaland will price it. Or maybe it's waiting for Wingtai to launch at a higher price first? Looking forward to see who'll be the price-setter for Kallang area.
As usual, developers will announce their launches/relaunches after CNY, so from now till then, market will be quite quiet.

Anyone knows when Citylights will be T.O.P? I'm pretty sure it will relaunch its remaining 200+ units when it's topped, ...

Wow, I did not know that 200+ units are not yet launched.

Wow, I did not know that 200+ units are not yet launched.

hi Wees,
yup, it's a marketing tactic...I see you're very hardworking, providing us with so much info from URA, keep it up. Half a yr ago, I heard they still have units left in the launched blks :cheers:

hi CT,

I think you are right. I just checked the URA website.

http://spring.ura.gov.sg/lad/ore/real_estate/proj_details_takeup_action.cfm?survey=1

As of end Dec 2006, only 447 of the total 600 units of Citylights had been launched.

Out of the 447 launched, 441 have been sold.

153 units have not been launched.

heard that they only have some 60 units left in the towers and only 3 left in the shophouses. i don't know they will re-launch. might hold back until after TOP like they did with glentrees.

Thinking of subsale unit .
if that is the case , may be I should wait. Any advise ?

If you can get a choice unit at the sub sale and the price is comfortable for you.

Thinking of subsale unit .
if that is the case , may be I should wait. Any advise ?

heard that they only have some 60 units left in the towers and only 3 left in the shophouses.

It is best to call up the developer to confirm how many have not been launched.

Thinking of subsale unit .

Hi cmwong456,

Besides Citylights, are you considering other projects?

Hi cmwong456,

Besides Citylights, are you considering other projects?

Prefer this project because of next to old mrt line, near city and also between me & my wife working place. A bit hard to find similar project with the same requirement.

Hi cmwong456,

What is the psf price for sub-sale unit? I guess that you are concerned that the developer might launch the remaining units are a much higher psf price and then suddenly all sub-sale units are re-marked to to the newer psf price.

Hi cmwong456,

What is the psf price for sub-sale unit? I guess that you are concerned that the developer might launch the remaining units are a much higher psf price and then suddenly all sub-sale units are re-marked to to the newer psf price.

For 1+1, 750psf to 812psf.
Is it high for this location , any resale value ?

For 1+1, 750psf to 812psf.
Is it high for this location , any resale value ?

Perhaps the forummers who are in the property line could help give some comments to cmwong456?

i think that they are hoping TOP 1Q 2008.

For 1+1, 750psf to 812psf.
Is it high for this location , any resale value ?
Looks high..... I checked the URA site and the last 2 transactions for 1+1 is between $667 psf to $734 psf. Prices are similar to what owners of Southbank nearby paid. Resale value should not be a problem for something just 30m from an MRT station.

Hi Maverick,

Can tell which stack and level you take this picture from ?
I did not take this picture so can't really tell u where it was taken from. It was lifted from the internet.

I hazard a guess .... it might have been taken from the middle block at a 43rd floor penthouse unit.

Looks high..... I checked the URA site and the last 2 transactions for 1+1 is between $667 psf to $734 psf. Prices are similar to what owners of Southbank nearby paid. Resale value should not be a problem for something just 30m from an MRT station.

Thks, also thinks $750 and below is reasonable.

Looks high..... I checked the URA site and the last 2 transactions for 1+1 is between $667 psf to $734 psf.

If we assume that $667 psf is for a 1st floor unit and $734 psf is for a 42th floor unit, the psf price increase is (734 - 667) / (42 - 1) = $1.63 per floor.

If we assume that $667 psf is for a 5th floor unit and $734 psf is for a 35th floor unit, the psf price increase is (734 - 667) / (35 - 5) = $1.91 per floor.

Most 1+1 units start at the 8th floor and end around the 35th floor, if I am not wrong.....

was interested in the 1-bedroom. my agent told me that a 14th flr unit, the developer is selling at $894psf and i was totally stunned! cos last month when I enquire it was just $760psf. how can that be! it's about 17% increase in one month!

was interested in the 1-bedroom. my agent told me that a 14th flr unit, the developer is selling at $894psf and i was totally stunned! cos last month when I enquire it was just $760psf. how can that be! it's about 17% increase in one month!

hi jt88,

After reading what you wrote, I am stunned too. In the discussion thread on Riveredge project, it was mentioned that Capitaland raised prices by 11% and I was already quite surprised. I wrote in that thread, wondering if Capitland will raise prices for its other projects.

I wonder if Capitaland is intending to increase prices at its other projects.

Apparently Capitaland had done so.


This 17% price increase for the Citylights unit takes the cake.

just seen arthur's transacted prices for Domain 21.

23 DELTA RD DOMAIN 21 18-06 APT 560 858 0316 169814 28/11/2006 480,000 205710

now Citylights looks overpriced and Domain 21 undervalued... i still can't believe what my agent just told me.. sigh ...better call another agent to confirm tomorrow :-)

just seen arthur's transacted prices for Domain 21.

23 DELTA RD DOMAIN 21 18-06 APT 560 858 0316 169814 28/11/2006 480,000 205710

now Citylights looks overpriced and Domain 21 undervalued... i still can't believe what my agent just told me.. sigh ...better call another agent to confirm tomorrow :-)

I know they increase 2 week ago .If not wrong, low flr is still around 700+ psf ( about 450K)

Hi Bros,

Newbie here. Just wanted to say hello and "thanks" for the active discussions on this forum.

I have learned a lot from you guys, especially wees, rafflescity, arthur, phenom, smallinvestor, freelance (hope I did not accidentally leave out some other seniors). I enjoyed the balanced debate and real-time updates on the "happenings" on-site of some recent launches (the closest you can get to the action without being there).

Apart from the "money/ROI" side of things, I also see a healthy appreciation of the "architectural aspect" of building development. Some of the photos posted here showing the progress of some projects are really a joy to follow.

Hi Bros,

Newbie here.

Hi ayanami,

Welcome.

Hi Bros,

Newbie here. Just wanted to say hello and "thanks" for the active discussions on this forum.

I have learned a lot from you guys, especially wees, rafflescity, arthur, phenom, smallinvestor, freelance (hope I did not accidentally leave out some other seniors). I enjoyed the balanced debate and real-time updates on the "happenings" on-site of some recent launches (the closest you can get to the action without being there).

Apart from the "money/ROI" side of things, I also see a healthy appreciation of the "architectural aspect" of building development. Some of the photos posted here showing the progress of some projects are really a joy to follow.
u die! u miss out our friendly guru!!!!!:lol: :lol:

just seen arthur's transacted prices for Domain 21.

23 DELTA RD DOMAIN 21 18-06 APT 560 858 0316 169814 28/11/2006 480,000 205710

now Citylights looks overpriced and Domain 21 undervalued... i still can't believe what my agent just told me.. sigh ...better call another agent to confirm tomorrow :-)
Hse/Blk Street Project Unit Num Type Floor Area Floor Rate Land Area Land Rate Old Postal New Postal Contract Date Price (S$) Record
90 JELLICOE RD CITYLIGHTS 28-30 APT 893 708 0820 208749 19/12/2006 632,700 209213
88 JELLICOE RD CITYLIGHTS 31-26 APT 678 734 0820 208747 11/12/2006 497,700 208684
80 JELLICOE RD CITYLIGHTS 29-02 APT 1432 631 0820 208766 06/12/2006 902,700 207443
80 JELLICOE RD CITYLIGHTS 25-04 APT 1356 612 0820 208766 04/12/2006 829,800 208682
80 JELLICOE RD CITYLIGHTS 11-02 APT 1313 626 0820 208766 01/12/2006 822,600 209159

Thinking of subsale unit .
if that is the case , may be I should wait. Any advise ?

hi cmwong456,
IMHO, I would personally want to buy direct from the developer, I will consider a subsale however if my preferred project development is sold out. In the case of Citylights, since there may be remaining launched units available from developer, u should check the prices with the developer first. If as what the rest have said, the developer has increased the price so much in the last 2 weeks, then u can compare the subsale prices with the developers', and decide which is more reasonable for u.
My bet is, the developer will relaunch the unreleased 200+ units at a higher price. So if that's the case, u shouldn't be waiting... cos by then, the subsale prices will also go up. :cheers:

hi cmwong456,
My bet is, the developer will relaunch the unreleased 200+ units at a higher price. So if that's the case, u shouldn't be waiting... cos by then, the subsale prices will also go up. :cheers:
Unreleased 200+ ? I thought the URA data already revealed only about 153 units left and someone heard from the sales staff that about 60 are left in the towers and 3 left in the townhouses?

If this is true, then I believe all the smaller units (1, 1+1 and 2) could already be sold out leaving the larger units (3, 3+1, 4 and maybe the penthouses) unsold.

I would expect Tower Blks 86 and 88 to be fully sold out by now as they have the best unblocked views and thus moved the fastest in the earlier launch. Sales of units in Tower Blk 90 and 80 were sluggish because they face each other giving them a slightly blocked view disadvantage. Blk 80 also has the disadvantage of being right next to the main road. If there is no choice, Blk 90 and 80 can still be considered if they have unsold units. The cheapest prices could probably be units in Blk 90.

The last I heard, the re-launch could happen (if they need to) after they have finished building the clubhouse and the swimming pools. They have demolished the temporary showflats but have since renovated a new 3-bedroom showflat in Blk 80 with a direct view of the pools.

Unreleased 200+ ? I thought the URA data already revealed only about 153 units left and someone heard from the sales staff that about 60 are left in the towers and 3 left in the townhouses?

If this is true, then I believe all the smaller units (1, 1+1 and 2) could already be sold out leaving the larger units (3, 3+1, 4 and maybe the penthouses) unsold.

I would expect Tower Blks 86 and 88 to be fully sold out by now as they have the best unblocked views and thus moved the fastest in the earlier launch. Sales of units in Tower Blk 90 and 80 were sluggish because they face each other giving them a slightly blocked view disadvantage. Blk 80 also has the disadvantage of being right next to the main road. If there is no choice, Blk 90 and 80 can still be considered if they have unsold units. The cheapest prices could probably be units in Blk 90.

The last I heard, the re-launch could happen (if they need to) after they have finished building the clubhouse and the swimming pools. They have demolished the temporary showflats but have since renovated a new 3-bedroom showflat in Blk 80 with a direct view of the pools.

fyi - the showflat on the 2nd floor not only has direct view of the pool - it has direct access to the pool via it's outdoor balcony. only two units have this feature - showflat and the one being used as the sales office. apparently these two are quite sought after.

u die! u miss out our friendly guru!!!!!:lol: :lol:

You are funny :lol: , the tone/style of humour (the part "u die") reminds me of one of my good friend --- he always say this.

Alamak, give chance lah.

Wees, thanks for the little welcome note. I will try to contribute to the forum and be part of the community. For a start, I have some pictures of Citylights taken a few days ago, I will try to post it up tonight, once I figured out how.

You are funny :lol: , the tone/style of humour (the part "u die") reminds me of one of my good friend --- he always say this.

Alamak, give chance lah.

Wees, thanks for the little welcome note. I will try to contribute to the forum and be part of the community. For a start, I have some pictures of Citylights taken a few days ago, I will try to post it up tonight, once I figured out how.
U can use http://www.imageshack.us to host your pics. Just create your account for uploading images.

Unreleased 200+ ? I thought the URA data already revealed only about 153 units left and someone heard from the sales staff that about 60 are left in the towers and 3 left in the townhouses?

If this is true, then I believe all the smaller units (1, 1+1 and 2) could already be sold out leaving the larger units (3, 3+1, 4 and maybe the penthouses) unsold.

I would expect Tower Blks 86 and 88 to be fully sold out by now as they have the best unblocked views and thus moved the fastest in the earlier launch. Sales of units in Tower Blk 90 and 80 were sluggish because they face each other giving them a slightly blocked view disadvantage. Blk 80 also has the disadvantage of being right next to the main road. If there is no choice, Blk 90 and 80 can still be considered if they have unsold units. The cheapest prices could probably be units in Blk 90.

The last I heard, the re-launch could happen (if they need to) after they have finished building the clubhouse and the swimming pools. They have demolished the temporary showflats but have since renovated a new 3-bedroom showflat in Blk 80 with a direct view of the pools.

developer still have 8 units 1bedroom left (1 in blk 86 and the rest in blk 90) price from $509k onwards ($894psf). subsale prices close to $1000psf.

i'm surprise that it rose so fast within a month ..... now almost on par with The Icon already...

developer still have 8 units 1bedroom left (1 in blk 86 and the rest in blk 90) price from $509k onwards ($894psf). subsale prices close to $1000psf.

i'm surprise that it rose so fast within a month ..... now almost on par with The Icon already...
$509K? Faint.... I still remember back in 2004 when I first visited the showflat, 1 bedroom units at Citylights only cost between $360K to $380.... i.e, all less than $400K but yet there were few takers. The take-up rate only speeded up in the past 6 to 8 months when the superstructure become prominent.

I feel sorry for my future generations and wonder what they can afford next time. :ohno:

$509K? Faint.... I still remember back in 2004 when I first visited the showflat, 1 bedroom units at Citylights only cost between $360K to $380.... i.e, all less than $400K but yet there were few takers. The take-up rate only speeded up in the past 6 to 8 months when the superstructure become prominent.

I feel sorry for my future generations and wonder what they can afford next time. :ohno:

HDB flats?

U can use http://www.imageshack.us to host your pics. Just create your account for uploading images.

Thanks Maverick713 for the tip. You must be one of the seniors that I have missed out mentioning in my first post (and then kena "suan" by Arthur) :)

Here's my first attempt at posting an image here. This picture is taken on 13 Jan 07 from the carpark beside SIR.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6484/p1090536ze5.jpg

developer still have 8 units 1bedroom left (1 in blk 86 and the rest in blk 90) price from $509k onwards ($894psf). subsale prices close to $1000psf.

i'm surprise that it rose so fast within a month ..... now almost on par with The Icon already...

Hi jt88,

Are you still eyeing one of the 8 1-bedroom units priced at $894psf?

developer still have 8 units 1bedroom left (1 in blk 86 and the rest in blk 90) price from $509k onwards ($894psf). subsale prices close to $1000psf.

i'm surprise that it rose so fast within a month ..... now almost on par with The Icon already...

If same price with icon, think i will choose icon, better location for resale, more makan place nearby. anyone agree ?

Hi jt88,

Are you still eyeing one of the 8 1-bedroom units priced at $894psf?

still thinking :nuts: ... difficult decision since the 7 units are at Blk 90 (all blocked by Blk 80) and 1 unit on #14 at Blk 86 (too close to the junction)

still thinking :nuts: ... difficult decision since the 7 units are at Blk 90 (all blocked by Blk 80) and 1 unit on #14 at Blk 86 (too close to the junction)

Hi jt88,

You could specify your approximate requirements here, and perhaps other forummers might be able to suggest alternatives.

[QUOTE=Maverick713;11541427]Unreleased 200+ ? I thought the URA data already revealed only about 153 units left and someone heard from the sales staff that about 60 are left in the towers and 3 left in the townhouses?

oops paisay...ya... wees mentioned the exact figures earlier. My memory stayed at the 200+ 6 mths ago, it's really moved fast since then... Looks like jt88 has missed it liao, prices have gone so high :nuts: .

If same price with icon, think i will choose icon, better location for resale, more makan place nearby. anyone agree ?
The problem with Icon is that it is within the CBD where there is whole day ERP. Imagine having to pay ERP so that you can get home everyday. Most Singaporeans have this psychology of not wanting to pay the government more money than necessary if they can help it.

Icon should still be more expensive than Citylights, I think. I was quoted about $1.2 million for a 2 bedroom unit at Icon whereas a similar one at Citylights is about half the price. Icon's maintenance fees also don't cover parking. You still have to pay extra monthly fees (I believe > $120) for a parking lot at Icon but for Citylights, parking is given at no extra costs.

As for food, the Lavender vicinity has 24-hours makan at the Long House Kopitiam and the Lavender Food Centre. The latter has one of the best wanton mee in Singapore and you see long queues forming everyday. In the past year, several new eateries have also mushroomed in nearby Kitchener Complex.

Going Malaysia but don't want to drive? Transtar Premium coaches pick/drop travellers daily next to Citylights' entrance. Icon has nothing like that.

still thinking :nuts: ... difficult decision since the 7 units are at Blk 90 (all blocked by Blk 80) and 1 unit on #14 at Blk 86 (too close to the junction)
It's a trade-off between traffic noise at the junction versus a slightly blocked view. Traffic noise may be minimal as cars usually slow down at busy junctions. Blk 90 enjoys a city view whereas Blk 86 sees the Kallang bay better.

Hi jt88,

You could specify your approximate requirements here, and perhaps other forummers might be able to suggest alternatives.

well I guess, my options are now limited to subsale units at Citylights (but progressive payments puts me off :( if not invest in other new dev. on deferred payment (ie. One North area)

I thought Citylights offers deferred payment?

I thought Citylights offers deferred payment?

jt88 was probably talking about subsales which will not be given the deffered payment option.

well I guess, my options are now limited to subsale units at Citylights (but progressive payments puts me off :( if not invest in other new dev. on deferred payment (ie. One North area)


Some developers like UOL do extend the deferred payment scheme to sub-sale units as well. You could check with the developer of Citylights if they are willing to do so.
However at the end of the day you will end up paying almost the same amount whether it is deferred or progressive. If you like the place go for it. In Citylights case, you will only need to pay for a few months since it's TOP should be quite near. This too you could negotiate with the bank to pay only the interest portion only until TOP.

Some developers like UOL do extend the deferred payment scheme to sub-sale units as well. You could check with the developer of Citylights if they are willing to do so.


Hi all points noted with thanks! yup i was referring to subsale units only offers progressive payments. and i have spoken to the agent who is now chking on it.

However at the end of the day you will end up paying almost the same amount whether it is deferred or progressive. If you like the place go for it. In Citylights case, you will only need to pay for a few months since it's TOP should be quite near.

TOP is ard early 2008 which is abt one year later :ohno:
I am currently servicing a progressive payment on another studio apt, so timing does make a difference.


This too you could negotiate with the bank to pay only the interest portion only until TOP.
mmmm.. sounds like a plan! thks!! :)

Citylights on the left. Neighbouring Southbank site on the right. A Kallang view both neighbours would share ...

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1432/cimg2158hk6.jpg

nice view!:)

Hi all points noted with thanks! yup i was referring to subsale units only offers progressive payments. and i have spoken to the agent who is now chking on it.



TOP is ard early 2008 which is abt one year later :ohno:
I am currently servicing a progressive payment on another studio apt, so timing does make a difference.



mmmm.. sounds like a plan! thks!! :)


Looking at the progress of the condo, I think it will go TOP before the end of this year. Which means from the date the payments kick in 2-3 months later (assuming you buy now), you will have to make monthly payments for about 6-7 mths.
Seems like you are buying it for investment. If you are in for very short term (1-2 yrs) then buying 99yrs is ok. However if you intend to hold it longer then you will be better off getting a freehold. In the longer run a freehold will hold its value better than 99yr regardless of location. . Today you find the new prime 99yr condos appreciating at the same level or even higher than freehold. However, when the dust finally settles down, those who are unable to load off their 99 yr condos at a profit may find that they would have been better off getting a freehold. All the Sentosa and Marina Bay 99 yrs condos could be breaking records today and even exceeding in value as compared to luxury Orchard freehold properties, but I am sure in 10 years it will be a different story altogether and you will be able to get the same Sail or MBR or One Shenton at 60% the price of a 10 year old luxury Orchard Rd condo.

If you want to get a studio for a budget of less than 500k, why not get one at the freehold City Square Res. No doubt it is located at Little India and Sunday crowd can be uncomfortable, but I am sure the rental yield will be the same or better than Citylights. You can still get a freehold 570sq ft studio for about 420k - which is cheaper than the 99yr Citylights.

In the longer run a freehold will hold its value better than 99yr regardless of location.

I share the same views that freehold will hold better in long run, but it's still subject to location and other conditions.
Take my friend's eg. she was deciding between a freehold condo in the East nearer Changi or a leasehold in Tg Rhu. 3 yrs later today, she's sold it at a 50k loss. Meanwhile with the upcoming IR and all, that project which still had many vacant units before IR plans were out, has increased in its value so unbelievably. You know, I was one of the many friends who advised her to buy a freehold rather than a leasehold with the same reasons u've said :ohno: ...
So...location is still very important, be it freehold or leasehold. It's also very important that a buyer be clear with his/her objective in buying a property.

I share the same views that freehold will hold better in long run, but it's still subject to location and other conditions.
Take my friend's eg. she was deciding between a freehold condo in the East nearer Changi or a leasehold in Tg Rhu. 3 yrs later today, she's sold it at a 50k loss. Meanwhile with the upcoming IR and all, that project which still had many vacant units before IR plans were out, has increased in its value so unbelievably. You know, I was one of the many friends who advised her to buy a freehold rather than a leasehold with the same reasons u've said :ohno: ...
So...location is still very important, be it freehold or leasehold. It's also very important that a buyer be clear with his/her objective in buying a property.
You are absolutely right. Location and other conditions are key. There was a Straits Times article about a study showing that developments with outstanding or iconic design or situated in good locations seems to retain its value much better than condos with neither attributes regardless of freehold or leasehold.

My boss bought a FREEHOLD condo in Jurong Kecil for $1 million back in 1997/8. Today it is worth no more than $600K+. My brother-in-law bought his FREEHOLD condo in Hume Avenue at nearly $800K around 2000 and sold it last year for almost $150K loss to move overseas for a new posting. Thus, having a freehold property is no guarantee against price erosion. If it is freehold bungalow land, then things might be different .....

Hi everyone,

Just joined. I have been a keen follower of several threads in SkyscraperCity. I want to commend all the active forumers. I have learnt a lot from your comments and insights, particularly those with personal experiences with property investment.

Here's my first comment on the debate over which is better - Freehold or Leasehold. I would only suggest three criteria to consider, and consider very seriously: (1) Location; (2) Location; and (3) Location.

In today's property climate, neither matters. In the past, having a property for 999 years is something one can pass on to the next generation or thereafter. Now, we pass on the property to the next buyer.

Thanks and best regards,
vasive

hi vasive,

welcome to the forum.

Hi everyone,

Just joined. I have been a keen follower of several threads in SkyscraperCity. I want to commend all the active forumers. I have learnt a lot from your comments and insights, particularly those with personal experiences with property investment.

Here's my first comment on the debate over which is better - Freehold or Leasehold. I would only suggest three criteria to consider, and consider very seriously: (1) Location; (2) Location; and (3) Location.

In today's property climate, neither matters. In the past, having a property for 999 years is something one can pass on to the next generation or thereafter. Now, we pass on the property to the next buyer.

Thanks and best regards,
vasive

Hi

Yes location is the most important factor.

However, assume you have 2 condos built next to each other by the same developer and the same quailty in a prime location. One is 99 yrs and the other one is freehold. After 10 yrs which one will hold its value better. In 10 yrs time will the 99yrs condo have risen by the same value or dropped by the same quantum as its neighbouring freehold condo?

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Hi

Yes location is the most important factor.

However, assume you have 2 condos built next to each other by the same developer and the same quailty in a prime location. One is 99 yrs and the other one is freehold. After 10 yrs which one will hold its value better. In 10 yrs time will the 99yrs condo have risen by the same value or dropped by the same quantum as its neighbouring freehold condo?

Of course, the answer to the above scenario is clear. But in reality, such scenario does not happen all the time. Can anyone of you guys identify such projects in Singapore?

I guess there are many factors that will determine the price of a condo. It could be the tenure of land, the location, the facing of the units, proximity to MRT station, whether it is near the beach, etc, etc.

There is also a general perception of the public on the property prices. Way back in 1996/97, when there was a panic perception that the property would become so expensive that if one did not buy a private property then (whether free or lease hold), he/she would never own one in his/her lifetime. So they would buy at "any" price that was set by the developer hence the price kept going up.

Of course, the answer to the above scenario is clear. But in reality, such scenario does not happen all the time. Can anyone of you guys identify such projects in Singapore?

I guess there are many factors that will determine the price of a condo. It could be the tenure of land, the location, the facing of the units, proximity to MRT station, whether it is near the beach, etc, etc.

There is also a general perception of the public on the property prices. Way back in 1996/97, when there was a panic perception that the property would become so expensive that if one did not buy a private property then (whether free or lease hold), he/she would never own one in his/her lifetime. So they would buy at "any" price that was set by the developer hence the price kept going up.

Look at Grangeford and Horizon View (or Towers) located at Grange road and surrounded by freehold condos. Go and check the caveats dating back 1 yr ago (the latest prices have gone up due to enbloc potential/talk)and compare the prices to the neighbouring freehold units.

The most expensive penthouse at MBR(99 yr) was sold for 3400psf which is slightly higher than the that sold at St Regis. I am sure in 10 years time the value of the MBR will be at least 20% lesser than St Regis even though both may fetch the same rents.

Showing Kerrisdale, Citylights and City Square (under construction) in context
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8549/untitled1lc3.jpg

Nice photo. I love photo updates.

Thanks hyacinthus. Did you stitch two/three photos together ? If yes, it's very well done. Are you one of the four D50 users RafflesCity was talking about ?

Did you stitch two/three photos together ? If yes, it's very well done. Are you one of the four D50 users RafflesCity was talking about ?

3 photos. Technically speaking that's not well done. This is better. Compare the two, you'll understand why.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/61/untitled1rp2.jpg

Nope.

took me quite a while to notice the difference. yup, 2nd pic's definitely better. thanks! both look lovely to me, and wow, the buildings are so tall.

i think i prefer kerrisdale's colours. is the view at kerrisdale blocked by citylights?

depending on the orientation of the unit.

You can find the views from Kerrisdale in this thread. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=133759&page=13

took me quite a while to notice the difference. yup, 2nd pic's definitely better. thanks! both look lovely to me, and wow, the buildings are so tall.

i think i prefer kerrisdale's colours. is the view at kerrisdale blocked by citylights?
There is still some distortions in the pic if you look at Serangoon Road but it is much better now.

I also like Kerrisdale's sand colors, which add to the resort-like feel of the quieter and more peaceful personality of that area next to the neighbourhood park off Serangoon Road/Jalan Besar.

The Kallang view of Kerrisdale is partially blocked by Citylights now. In the near future, City Square Residences would be rising to its right side and 2 tall hotels (possibly >35 floors based on the high plot ratio) could be lined up with Citylights along Victoria Street some years later.

Taken on 9 Feb.....

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/963/cimg2184ua5.jpg

Small trees/shrubs are now growing on both sky decks:

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5036/cimg2189yp2.jpg

hi guys, anyone remember when this project was launched & first launch price? Thanks..

friend might be buyign 3bedroom unit. Blk 80 but think faces road so holding back alittle... The surrounding is very convenient though...

U can msg me please if u need to know.

hi guys, anyone remember when this project was launched & first launch price? Thanks..

friend might be buyign 3bedroom unit. Blk 80 but think faces road so holding back alittle... The surrounding is very convenient though...
The Citylights project should be launched around Nov 2004. Not sure of the launch price since URA caveat data only showed last 12 months.

I was at the showflat last weekend and saw that there are now fewer than 30 units left, i.e., about 95% has been sold. If your friend cannot get what he wants at Citylights and yet wants the convenience of the surroundings, he can wait for another new condo project to be launched about 200m away.

This morning I discovered a new showflat being constructed nearby for a 6-storey + basement (48 residential units, 1 shop, 1 swimming pool) project to be built along Tyrwhitt Road between Jalan Besar Stadium and Hoa Nam Building. I think the developer is Oxley Capital.

BTW, I think the road noise at Blk 80 may not be that bad as there are currently no buildings at the carpark next to ICA, which means road noise would mostly dissipate instead of hitting a building and bouncing back to Blk 80.

Thanks Maverick173... he is looking for one to move in asap so I guess the new project is not too suitable. He also told me all the 1/2bedroom units fully sold, now prob only left with the 3bedroom units. Think CapitaLand quoted him 610-680psf, depending on facing & level. Guess there is some speculation that prices will go up post CNY... haha

Thanks Maverick173... he is looking for one to move in asap so I guess the new project is not too suitable. He also told me all the 1/2bedroom units fully sold, now prob only left with the 3bedroom units. Think CapitaLand quoted him 610-680psf, depending on facing & level. Guess there is some speculation that prices will go up post CNY... haha
$610 to $680psf is still very reasonable for 3 bedrooms given the current buying mood. I found some previous Citylights caveats for the month of Sept 2005 which showed a few of their 3 bedrooms sold from $586 to $624psf.

Reneewy ...

Your best bet is to get some 1-3 years old ones ... these are the ones prices may not have gone up so much ... remember ... if u want brand new TOP in the next 3 mths type ... then u are fighting with those who just profits hundreds of thousands whom the developers have carefully calculated to rip off ...

Join me in my search ... me also looking for these 1-3 years ones ...

YFG ... ...

Reneewy ...

Your best bet is to get some 1-3 years old ones ... these are the ones prices may not have gone up so much ... remember ... if u want brand new TOP in the next 3 mths type ... then u are fighting with those who just profits hundreds of thousands whom the developers have carefully calculated to rip off ...

Join me in my search ... me also looking for these 1-3 years ones ...

YFG ... ...
Or alternatively look for those bank auctioned apartments. I know of someone who got a large apartment in River Valley for a good price because he bought it via a bank auction. With more speculators coming on board, the chance of payment defaults and bank repossession is becoming more likely ....

Eeerrmm ... I avoid bank auctions for Feng Shui purposes ...

I always think ... the reason why the owner is sway ... maybe partly due to the hse ... hahaha ... me very pang dang ... but be safe ...

YFG ... ...

fyi - was at the sales office today - there were lots of people! they still have 1 bedrooms left - but only a handful.

most of the available units are in block 80 (the single tower) with a handful left in block 90 (the tower with partially obscured views due to block 80).

pricing for 3 bedrooms still was in the same ballpark as before.

This morning I discovered a new showflat being constructed nearby for a 6-storey + basement (48 residential units, 1 shop, 1 swimming pool) project to be built along Tyrwhitt Road between Jalan Besar Stadium and Hoa Nam Building. I think the developer is Oxley Capital.
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any more news on this one? i saw it too today but there wasn't a sign up. when i googled oxley capital - nothing turns up. it's a very small plot of land....

21 Feb 2007

with SouthBank construction at the foreground.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/BODYholic/Skyscraper-Singapore/DSC06446.jpg

any more news on this one? i saw it too today but there wasn't a sign up. when i googled oxley capital - nothing turns up. it's a very small plot of land....
The sign was actually nailed on the perimeter wall of the next building and inside the fenced-up area, and you might need to stand on something taller in order to see over the fence. I read the sign in the darkness while standing on a pile of construction debris minutes before sunrise that morning.

I also cannot find anything on Oxley Capital in Google but I hope I have seen these wordings correctly under the dim street lights.

^^ :lol: no wonder i couldn't see the sign!

the lengths one goes to for this forum :nuts: thanks!!

Citylights' Reflections in the Rochor River. I spotted two white egrets hunting fish in the shallow waters and mudflats during low tide at Rochor River (egrets are more commonly seen in Sungei Buloh and Jurong than in the city).

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7709/cimg2269pz3.jpg

Conservation shophouses about half completed:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9608/cimg2196mr9.jpg

The thinnest you-tiao at Lavender:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2465/cimg2240iv9.jpg

Nice reflection pic..

^^ :lol: no wonder i couldn't see the sign!

the lengths one goes to for this forum :nuts: thanks!!
I passed by the site around noon just now and found that they have taken down the sign. Maybe that's why you cannot find it.

Anyway, here's a pic of the site:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4475/cimg2277zl4.jpg

the angles in the 1st and 3rd pic of Citylights are great, especially that reflection one...looks like the final colour will not be white (hope not)

does anyone know which unit numbers are the 2 bedders? and where they are in location to the water view?

thanks.

I spotted two white egrets hunting fish in the shallow waters and mudflats during low tide at Rochor River (egrets are more commonly seen in Sungei Buloh and Jurong than in the city).


I spotted a large collection of free-roaming white egrets in a fenced up plot of empty land at the junction of Queensay & Commonwealth Ave...if they do not become a public nuisance it could be quite cool to have more of such 'nature' visitors in the city :-)

the angles in the 1st and 3rd pic of Citylights are great, especially that reflection one...looks like the final colour will not be white (hope not)
It would be light cream color, which from far might be mistaken for pure white.

does anyone know which unit numbers are the 2 bedders? and where they are in location to the water view?

thanks.
From a copy of the brochures I have, 2-bedders should be unit numbers 18, 20, 23, 25, 28, 30 from levels 7 to 35. All of them are in the slim blocks 86, 88 and 90, with unobstructed view of the Kallang waterfront and the sea beyond Tanjong Rhu(if at higher floors).

^^ no wonder all the 2 bedders are already sold.
btw- why do you say the colour will be cream and not white?

^^ no wonder all the 2 bedders are already sold.
btw- why do you say the colour will be cream and not white?
If you go on-site, you can see two color tones. Some parts are plain white as that is the base coat the painters applied. They are then sprayed with light cream enamel paint which appears slightly darker than the original white base below.

The 2-bedders were selling slowly and steadily until the second half of 2006, when buyers' eyes were suddenly opened up with the property bull-run. Anyway, every one of the 600 units in Citylights has the Kallang waterfront view except for the townhouses. Some have both Kallang (front) and Jalan Besar (behind) views.

I passed by the site around noon just now and found that they have taken down the sign. Maybe that's why you cannot find it.

Anyway, here's a pic of the site:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4475/cimg2277zl4.jpg

Shophouses being demolished... I thought were conserved... :eek::lol:

some of the units left in block 80 are in the corner - the one that is tucked closer to block 90. they say the view won't be so good there as their windows look toward changi and have no balcony. but i suppose it's all relative. there will still be a water view maybe just not as nice as the ones in block 88 or 86.

or maybe the sales agent just wants to push the 3 bedders in block 90 instead of the 1 bedders in block 80?

must take a better look at the towers for the colour scheme. they looked white to me, but then it's the base coat. the shophouses clearly look cream coloured.

Shophouses being demolished... I thought were conserved... :eek::lol:
They were not old conservation shophouses but a small commercial building probably about 4 storeys high that was demolished. I vaguely remembered having my foot massage done at the Sin Tiong Kok Foot Reflexology shop at the ground floor there some years ago.

or maybe the sales agent just wants to push the 3 bedders in block 90 instead of the 1 bedders in block 80?
More commission so more incentives? Anyway, 1-bedders being cheaper would normally sell faster so they may want to push the 3-bedders instead.

i thought blk 80 are 3 brms & above, also have 1 brms ?

i thought blk 80 are 3 brms & above, also have 1 brms ?
Yep ..... u are right about that. I noted the inconsistencies but we understood what he really meant without getting too much into the details. :lol:

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9172/cimg2263wd6.jpg

Yep ..... u are right about that. I noted the inconsistencies but we understood what he really meant without getting too much into the details. :lol:

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9172/cimg2263wd6.jpg


Hi Maverick,

You can a unit in citylight , right ? 2 brms ?

oops! i blur from all the blocks! :nuts:

mav - if you bought - or anyone - if you bought, how long do you intend to keep?

when do you think this property will start to depreciate?

oops! i blur from all the blocks! :nuts:

mav - if you bought - or anyone - if you bought, how long do you intend to keep?

when do you think this property will start to depreciate?

bought one , not for investment. hope it will not depreciate for next 5 yrs.

bought one , not for investment. hope it will not depreciate for next 5 yrs.
Me too, bought one but also not for investment. Already appreciated quite nicely, according to my agent, but I'm not interested in flipping it yet.

i guess it's difficult when you buy as a home and not an investment and then it turns out that your home has appreciated significantly. what to do? do you flip it while the market is on the upswing and then scrounge around for another home? or do you say forget it to the profit and then just stay there. in today's market, hard to say how long this upwards trend will last. and if can even find another home - prices are going up so fast.

If you have another property that can be called home, then cashing out on your investment may make some sense. :lol:

i guess it's difficult when you buy as a home and not an investment and then it turns out that your home has appreciated significantly. what to do? do you flip it while the market is on the upswing and then scrounge around for another home? or do you say forget it to the profit and then just stay there. in today's market, hard to say how long this upwards trend will last. and if can even find another home - prices are going up so fast.

Hi,

Read about sinking fund contributions , what is it ?

Surfers ...

S123 meant ... if you have an apt = your home ... do u sell it for a profit ... downgrade t some cheaper ones ... ?

I have the same reservations also ...

Thats what I say ... the dilemna betw money and lifestyle ... earn so much money ... at the expense of lifestyle ... then earn so much for what ?

If you can sell your lifestyle for profit ... will u sell other things in your life also ?

Haha ... YFG is quite sentimental tonight ...

YFG ... ...

dksg - you hit the nail on the head. and i suppose i am being sentimental too and a bit annoyed at the "disposableness" (is this even a word?) of so many things here - cars, housing.

it seems that the assumption is that everyone has a price (why else do agents put flyers in your box telling you that someone else wants to buy your home even when you are not looking to sell?).

i'm in a goofy position - my current rental home is talking about en-bloc. i found and bought a new place. but now the price on the new place has risen. (sorry, can't give details yet as things are not yet firm). so do i sell and look again? don't know with this market if i can find another place within budget if i sell and if i stay i don't know if the market will crash horrendously. :ohno:

dksg - you hit the nail on the head. and i suppose i am being sentimental too and a bit annoyed at the "disposableness" (is this even a word?) of so many things here - cars, housing.

it seems that the assumption is that everyone has a price (why else do agents put flyers in your box telling you that someone else wants to buy your home even when you are not looking to sell?).

i'm in a goofy position - my current rental home is talking about en-bloc. i found and bought a new place. but now the price on the new place has risen. (sorry, can't give details yet as things are not yet firm). so do i sell and look again? don't know with this market if i can find another place within budget if i sell and if i stay i don't know if the market will crash horrendously. :ohno:speaking fm an agent point of view. stay

Surfers ...

Thats what I say ... the dilemna betw money and lifestyle ... earn so much money ... at the expense of lifestyle ... then earn so much for what ?

If you can sell your lifestyle for profit ... will u sell other things in your life also ?

YFG ... ...

Nowadays, many people know the price of everything, but the value of nothing. :-(

Agree. Cashing out but can't find another home within the same range is something worth thinking about, unless one is willing to trade off lifestyle with money. That is why there will always be someone who will oppose to enbloc. :lol:

Surfers is also quite sentimental. :lol:

Surfers ...

S123 meant ... if you have an apt = your home ... do u sell it for a profit ... downgrade t some cheaper ones ... ?

I have the same reservations also ...

Thats what I say ... the dilemna betw money and lifestyle ... earn so much money ... at the expense of lifestyle ... then earn so much for what ?

If you can sell your lifestyle for profit ... will u sell other things in your life also ?

Haha ... YFG is quite sentimental tonight ...

YFG ... ...

what if you could make enough money to take a few years off of work? doesn't that count as improving lifestyle too?

thanks everyone for your feedback. lots to think about.

This is quite easy to answer…

I guess this confusion of whether to sell your apartment/house to take profit arises because, in the first place, people confuse an investment asset with your dwelling… the former is an instrument/vehicle that puts money into your pocket while you sit your butt on the latter… unless you sell your living quarters and buy something cheaper and smaller (downsizing) and in the process is better-off with extra cash in your pocket…

No wonder the world’s second richest man, Warren Buffett, stays in the same place like forever…

No wonder the world’s second richest man, Warren Buffett, stays in the same place like forever…
I like the way he invests in the capital markets, but I would not agree with his extreme sense of austerity. He cannot bring his billions with him to the next world and its such a shame when you hear about how he shops only at budget stores, asking for a discount when buying a ring for his partner from his own shops, drive the same old car, live in the same old house in a working class neighbourhood etc.

he donates 80% of his wealth...

Yeah, agree with LittlePig. We can't quite mix investment with dwelling, much as we'd like to. It'd be a bonus if one can make $ at the same time enjoy residing in that property. If the money is enough to re-enter the market and invest in another of the same living, then why not sell? Don't sell if you can't factor in the increase in prices now and if u can live without the current property. It's all subjective...
Warren Buffet is so wealthy, if he's a Buddhist, he's probably donating so that he'd get good kharma for his next life.

OK!

Time to go back to Citylights ... any more new pictures ...
Owners pls raise hands ... let us have a visit leh !

YFG ... ...

sorry dksg - no pictures....

has anyone heard about some condo to be built on petain road? it does not have a name and it's supposed to be built by splott something or other.

it's supposed to be built by splott

That sounds like a very uncivilized way to build something ^ ^

sorry dksg - no pictures....
How about this Citilights pic.... :lol: no more Citylights.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1630/cimg2061kg0.jpg

has anyone heard about some condo to be built on petain road? it does not have a name and it's supposed to be built by splott something or other.

Cool... hope it is a big one like Kerrisdale or City Square. Yet to hear or see anything. What else have you heard about it?

How about this Citilights pic.... :lol: no more Citylights.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1630/cimg2061kg0.jpg

Nice one ^ ^

Cool... hope it is a big one like Kerrisdale or City Square. Yet to hear or see anything. What else have you heard about it?

i was going through the URA site and saw it posted there. no name - "residential apartments" by splott pte ltd (yes, this is the REAL name! :lol: ). it's listed as only 28 units - so very small.

maybe it will be like that development at tyrwhitt and horne road.

Where is Splott's site at?

Petain Road? Near Flanders Square? Behind the shophouses? Some might consider it a "seedy" area.... :(

not exactly sure where it is. that's what i was hoping someone else knew. :lol: but petain road is not very long. and everything on that road is near flanders square.

not exactly sure where it is. that's what i was hoping someone else knew. :lol: but petain road is not very long. and everything on that road is near flanders square.
There's not much available land in Petain Road as City Square would be taking a big chunk off for their proposed public park. The other parts would be too near to the row of pretty conservation houses where I doubt a condo would fit in.

Flanders Square's vice business licenses might not be extended by the authorities and the buildings are not under conservation status. My guess is that the new condo by Slotts could be built over Flanders Sq itself or combined with the nearby abandoned eating house once they are demolished.

The Flanders Square "vice" houses from the front:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8413/cimg1653ja3.jpg

The former coffeeshop/eating house that was deserted for years:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3410/cimg1652di8.jpg

i was going through the URA site and saw it posted there. no name - "residential apartments" by splott pte ltd (yes, this is the REAL name! :lol: ). it's listed as only 28 units - so very small.

maybe it will be like that development at tyrwhitt and horne road.

the development is called "Residences @ Somme". it's gonna be a 6-storey building with 28 units and 3 shop units on the ground floor and a basement carpark.. pretty much like R66 Apartments i guess. not sure if this will be leasehold or freehold though -- does anyone have any input to offer on this?

it's very near to the entry of petain road, just next to that row of shophouses that faces the main road at the petain road junction.. and next to the small playground. it's not at the 'Flanders Square' end of petain road.. Flanders Square is near the end of petain road, this new development is near the beginning of petain road.

the development is called "Residences @ Somme". it's gonna be a 6-storey building with 28 units and 3 shop units on the ground floor and a basement carpark.. pretty much like R66 Apartments i guess. not sure if this will be leasehold or freehold though -- does anyone have any input to offer on this?

it's very near to the entry of petain road, just next to that row of shophouses that faces the main road at the petain road junction.. and next to the small playground. it's not at the 'Flanders Square' end of petain road.. Flanders Square is near the end of petain road, this new development is near the beginning of petain road.
Thanks bd17 for the reply. I have just seen the signboard (which does not say freehold or leasehold). The new apartments are just next to the proposed public park by City Development and behind City Square Residences.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9818/cimg2310pu6.jpg

Thanks bd17 for the reply. I have just seen the signboard (which does not say freehold or leasehold). The new apartments are just next to the proposed public park by City Development and behind City Square Residences.


When they don't state anything, it is normally leasehold. I have noticed this trend, especially in the print advertisements. If it is Freehold, they will shout about it with big bold text.

i was going through the URA site and saw it posted there. no name - "residential apartments" by splott pte ltd (yes, this is the REAL name! :lol: ). it's listed as only 28 units - so very small.

maybe it will be like that development at tyrwhitt and horne road.
The yet-to-be-named apartments at Tyrwhitt Road marketed by Huttons:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4462/cimg2308bn4.jpg

The information signboard that you missed earlier has now been posted on the fence:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8844/cimg2309ly9.jpg

When they don't state anything, it is normally leasehold. I have noticed this trend, especially in the print advertisements. If it is Freehold, they will shout about it with big bold text.

thanks ayanami and maverick for the input. drive by petain almost every day, but just haven't time to stop and snap a picture or two. is there any way to find out online if this is leasehold or freehold? quite like the location, but that nightclub located at the row of shophouses just next to the development might be a put-off. the building looks more like a commercial building than a residential one. i wonder if there are any amenities.. a pool or something.. :cheers:

The design doesn't look very interesting.

what was on the site? shophouses?

thanks ayanami and maverick for the input. drive by petain almost every day, but just haven't time to stop and snap a picture or two. is there any way to find out online if this is leasehold or freehold? quite like the location, but that nightclub located at the row of shophouses just next to the development might be a put-off. the building looks more like a commercial building than a residential one. i wonder if there are any amenities.. a pool or something.. :cheers:
I think Residences@Somme has no pool or amenities. The Tyrwhitt Rd one should have a small pool. The nightclub next door and another one across Jalan Besar adds life and bright lights to the area .... :lol:

I like that area too .... my grandma used to stay about 100m away many years ago.

what was on the site? shophouses?

Empty grass patch? I don't remember anything on that piece of land.

Oh no, not another "@" again... giving me a headache. The area is a red light area now.

Citylights @ Lavender with the city view as a backdrop ....

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5810/citylightsfromkallangbakh8.png

Another pic from Upper Boon Keng flats ...

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1825/cimg2336tg8.jpg

Oh no, not another "@" again... giving me a headache. The area is a red light area now.
I believe the red light area has not long to live. I hope it would be demolished by the time the 700,000 sq ft City Square Mall opens.

Uhoh... It was looking better when it was still under construction :-/

Uhoh... It was looking better when it was still under construction :-/

Yea, very disappointing, was expectiing something metallic, especially for such a huge project. White is so boring, and with blue windows?

nice angles, they are contributing significantly to the skyline

Yea, very disappointing, was expectiing something metallic, especially for such a huge project. White is so boring, and with blue windows?
It had looked better earlier when it was all dark grey concrete and red colored netting. I guess they wanted light cream to match the color of the 10 conservation houses on the site and to complement their sky gardens concept. The final windows may not be blue, once they peel off the blue protective sheets.

Hope Southbank nearby turns out metallic and more futuristic, which I think it would be as they have lots of horizontal aluminium sun shades for their windows and they have lots more glass on the facade, given that they are classified as a commercial building.

It had looked better earlier when it was all dark grey concrete and red colored netting. I guess they wanted light cream to match the color of the 10 conservation houses on the site and to complement their sky gardens concept. The final windows may not be blue, once they peel off the blue protective sheets.

Right, wait and see...

In rendering it looked so metallic... :(

In rendering it looked so metallic... :(
It was an illusion .... the model had looked light creamy too. Below was what I found in google (taken at a property roadshow overseas):

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2168/dsc01250vn0.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4025/dsc01253jf8.jpg

The renderings appeared whiter than the model :

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/5862/dsc01254nb8.jpg

The model looks so "green" with all those bushes sticking out, will the condo itself have these?

this is not the same model that is here in singapore. so colours could be off from what will actually be. even the model here and what actually is built might not be the same. just got to wait and see. hope the windows aren't blue though.

very HDB. But what to do, it's Capitaland. They are obiang.

very HDB. But what to do, it's Capitaland. They are obiang.
The obiangness might be the fault of the architect, not the developer. The architect is DP Architects, which is well-known for designing iconic commercial and public buildings such as The Esplanade, Marina Square, Suntec City, Parkview Square, Bugis Junction and recently Vivo-City and the Singapore Flyer (see www.dpa.com.sg).

They had probably goofed up on residential housing designs.

Taken on 12th March ...
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9704/cimg2408gy2.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3032/cimg2409cj5.jpg

this is not the same model that is here in singapore. so colours could be off from what will actually be. even the model here and what actually is built might not be the same. just got to wait and see. hope the windows aren't blue though.
Agreed. It might have been the indoor lighting when they showed the model in China or HK. Anyway, it just showed that the design was never meant to be "metallic" (grey or titanium colored?) in nature.

The model looks so "green" with all those bushes sticking out, will the condo itself have these?
Dunno. Those are planter potting areas that look like balconies in some of the units. I guess how much greenery seen depends on the whims of the owners.

It was an illusion .... the model had looked light creamy too. Below was what I found in google (taken at a property roadshow overseas):

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2168/dsc01250vn0.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4025/dsc01253jf8.jpg

The renderings appeared whiter than the model :

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/5862/dsc01254nb8.jpg

Let me try to explain... Look at the greenery on the first two pictures. The trees do not even look green. They should be dark green. It is probably due to the indoor lightings (halogen or warm lighting) that make the whole picture yellowish.

Taken behind Shell Station along Lavender Street.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8229/070311aje9.jpg

HDBish all the way.Sure gonner be City slump in the future:ohno:

HDBish all the way.Sure gonner be City slump in the future:ohno:

The one thing that makes it look HDBish is the sideview of the staircase. Looks similar to the very old HDB flats

The one thing that makes it look HDBish is the sideview of the staircase. Looks similar to the very old HDB flats
Uncle Nav14, you are very observant, just like your postings in the "Disappointing L*ti*" thread of yesteryears :).

Here's how the staircase looks. The half cladded panels seems different from the renderings or the model.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5128/citylightsexposedstaircjv5.jpg

Maybe give it more time..

I'm sure the views will more than compensate for the external looks of the devt. Maverick, I admire u, u're like the spokesperson here and u're handling it very well. The lesson here is, models may just not look like actual...I'm looking forward to great pics of the city from citylights.

Uncle Nav14, you are very observant, just like your postings in the "Disappointing L*ti*" thread of yesteryears :).

Here's how the staircase looks. The half cladded panels seems different from the renderings or the model.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5128/citylightsexposedstaircjv5.jpg

Ok lah, now it looks much better with the cladding camouflaging the staircase. The last time I passed by there were no claddings and I thought that will be the final product.

...I'm looking forward to great pics of the city from citylights.
No problem. I am sure your wish would be granted since there could be several residents-to-be here. I would also like to see pictures of the city from the topmost floor .... the view there should be amazing. :banana:

16 old shophouses' conversion to 10 townhouses under way (plan was taken from DPA's website) ....

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6665/cimg2407gm3.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5629/citylightsconservationhdc3.jpg

Will sand & granite issue affect new project or project like citylights which completing soon .

Hope TOP soon if not must pay interest more .

Any justification that maintenance fees for citylights is $225 for small unit ? Don't know why it is much high than other nearby condo . e.g. kerridale ?

Studio or two bedroom?

Any justification that maintenance fees for citylights is $225 for small unit ? Don't know why it is much high than other nearby condo . e.g. kerridale ?

Studio or two bedroom?

Same for studio 1 and 1+1, dont know about 2 brm, maybe higher.

Any justification that maintenance fees for citylights is $225 for small unit ? Don't know why it is much high than other nearby condo . e.g. kerridale ?
Allgreen has always offered incredible value for their Kerrisdale buyers: value-for-money pricing, low maintenance fees, free home appliances such as fridges, washing machine, dryers etc., to generate buyers' interest. It might be the wrong condo to compare even though they are only 700m away from one another.

Allgreen has always offered incredible value for their Kerrisdale buyers: value-for-money pricing, low maintenance fees, free home appliances such as fridges, washing machine, dryers etc., to generate buyers' interest. It might be the wrong condo to compare even though they are only 700m away from one another.


Thought massive project like this about 600 unit , the maintenance fee will be lesser. So capital project always ask for this amount .

Hi all, i am new to this site, and i am totally amazed by all the efforts put in by the members. Nice picz.. I purchased a 3 bed-room unit in this development, if i am not wrong #39, block 80. Personally, i think it is a good buy due to the high floor and the rapid development of the proposed sportshub at Kallang.

Unfortunately my unit is facing the kallang mrt view, which is not the best view of the project. Any comment of the idea of sub selling the unit? I purchased it at $864k, and my agent just called me saying that there is a ready buyer willing to buy it for 950-980K :ohno: , any suggestion on this issue?

When do you think is the TOP of this project?

Hi all, i am new to this site ....

Hi darwisk,

Welcome to the forum.

The view is not too bad, think about it, you'll get nice views of the new sports hub to your right.

Hi all, i am new to this site, and i am totally amazed by all the efforts put in by the members. Nice picz.. I purchased a 3 bed-room unit in this development, if i am not wrong #39-02, block 80. Personally, i think it is a good buy due to the high floor and the rapid development of the proposed sportshub at Kallang.

Unfortunately my unit is facing the kallang mrt view, which is not the best view of the project. Any comment of the idea of sub selling the unit? I purchased it at $864k, and my agent just called me saying that there is a ready buyer willing to buy it for 950-980K :ohno: , any suggestion on this issue?

When do you think is the TOP of this project?

You might want to check out the Southbank thread for the responses to a fellow forummer's sub-sale. Both condos are more or less in the same location so the comments would apply to both.

Nothing wrong with the Kallang MRT view.... you can be assured that it would remain unblocked for a very long time as the site to the east is still designated for low-rise light industry at Kallang Avenue. It is not easy to find an unblocked view in crowded Singapore nowadays.

Some of the low-rise JTC buildings in that area (near to the Lavender Street/Kallang Bahru junction) might be demolished .... the industrial tenants have been told to prepare to move out in 2 years time. I got a feeling the JTC land is being reclaimed back for a purpose, maybe to allocate land for a new MRT station on the coming Eastern Regional Line.

Last I heard TOP for Citylights would be Q4 2007 or Q1 2008.

The view is not too bad, think about it, you'll get nice views of the new sports hub to your right.

Possible views of Southbank and Citylights from the new sports hub .... photos taken during NDP 2006 found from the internet.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3552/lavenderfromnationalstapr0.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7272/lavenderfromnationalstaap2.jpg

Those pics by Cliff are lovely (the last NDP in the old stadium)

More lovely pics from the Kallang waterfront here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=71729

Those pics by Cliff are lovely (the last NDP in the old stadium)

More lovely pics from the Kallang waterfront here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=71729

So it was by Cliff? Beautifully-taken .... by the master photographer.

for a moment, i thought they were posters.... extremely well taken.

any updated pictures of citylights? or has anyone seen it recently? wondering if the cranes are still there.

http://i14.tinypic.com/66nmb9e.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/6g3rxw4.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/6ffxris.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/61vyvso.jpg

That would be awesome. Strata has lifts like the Pan Pacific Hotel where the lift shaft isnt enclosed...unfortunately those lifts face on to another condo of equal height...

nice pics btw!
Thanks. I believe the view would be awesome when seen from this project.

The surrounding area seems to be moving on to be a backpackers hotel district in the coming year - there are 3 small hotel construction sites along Lavender Street and Penhas Road, I think.

yes, thanks Mav for the pictures!:)

That would be awesome. Strata has lifts like the Pan Pacific Hotel where the lift shaft isnt enclosed...unfortunately those lifts face on to another condo of equal height...

Well... Would you prefer to have the great view from your living room or from the lift? ;-)

These are aluminium panels covering the lift shafts. It would be better if they had used clear glass windows for the lift shafts so that the residents can see the scenery change before their eyes when riding the lifts from the 1st floor to the 42nd floor. :lol:

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6066/cimg2592og2.jpg

Why no glass lifts? Sigh...

Well... Would you prefer to have the great view from your living room or from the lift? ;-)

I prefer the lift view.... the one at Pan Pacific Hotel gives me the soaring-into-the-sky kind of feeling and the oh-my-god feeling when it descends back to earth. :banana:

Here are some pics taken from Citylights.

30th Flr:
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC15AZtP0BvwV7BROxHxZSRKrp1MJv-9NU6RYJ1LvytqC-cELXJsoWg0ZlQraVPtudrYgHL5pJMN1lahD8NP4rRnjXkiD5FMXEgA

35th Flr
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC10AbM54WSY88x-LFPAY4Jp8408kqPS_KFfIYcuUTlDsgkNqMXJuuONDU6ZJGAEeb0nQhjW4ACSPcyDy-cWdAr_Zxdu_90jP1CQ

30th Flr
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC100CzYm__qGkn2V2hgi7qfWtDrHfscHEroKQE3oL9_8243imuCaP8-A_bzxmbbKY8Sj5PnWVlGJ_cnaRYegOLIphUrSFajUtKQ

41st Flr
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC1_Iysyo4xepm7XKkiCa21dnFeisDK425MhUlC4iCuinD5mE8DW_nypy5Ame8kPJedHFSTG_6H43gS2QC8gtzAUOcDO7oFV5sVA

thanks, dddddd, for the lovely pics. those are really great views from citylight. dunno if it's just me, but think i prefer 30th floor to 41st floor.

thanks, dddddd, for the lovely pics. those are really great views from citylight. dunno if it's just me, but think i prefer 30th floor to 41st floor.

Probably because they are taken from different blocks and days. The 30th floor one was taken on a sunny day (and probably from the block nearest Lavender St.) so it looks better than the 41st floor one taken on a dark cloudy day (I think taken from the block nearest ICA).

Very nice and exclusive pics you got there .... how did you get up there to take these pics?

Here are some pics taken from Citylights.

30th Flr:
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC15AZtP0BvwV7BROxHxZSRKrp1MJv-9NU6RYJ1LvytqC-cELXJsoWg0ZlQraVPtudrYgHL5pJMN1lahD8NP4rRnjXkiD5FMXEgA

35th Flr
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC10AbM54WSY88x-LFPAY4Jp8408kqPS_KFfIYcuUTlDsgkNqMXJuuONDU6ZJGAEeb0nQhjW4ACSPcyDy-cWdAr_Zxdu_90jP1CQ

30th Flr
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC100CzYm__qGkn2V2hgi7qfWtDrHfscHEroKQE3oL9_8243imuCaP8-A_bzxmbbKY8Sj5PnWVlGJ_cnaRYegOLIphUrSFajUtKQ

41st Flr
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC1_Iysyo4xepm7XKkiCa21dnFeisDK425MhUlC4iCuinD5mE8DW_nypy5Ame8kPJedHFSTG_6H43gS2QC8gtzAUOcDO7oFV5sVA

Stunning views...especially the city lights at night. Thanks for sharing :)

wow! great pics. thx dddddd.

cheers

sharkie

Wow, that's what i call breathtaking views.

tks, dddddd

Wow, that's what i call breathtaking views.

tks, dddddd

That's what you called breathtaking? How about these unblocked city skyline pictures taken from one of the apartnments in Singapore?

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC13o2qqN_jr9-AEmSknTW8m7Wl5zYYS66CnOaN_oLZ1IBoYHJFWKFsl5xVYTYys2mJZ-tXTRF6PtAf8fsoecTTc7f2crmksRlqQ

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC1w0ABYpFHWqe4MacoYct5Hnxx3aefEVhjLUQAFIy0tt6VXJr1sEYXmqSXotu6UZnS4GZ_V1PfzjlAxK5KXJ5rbdzLtzSkFuEJQ

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC142jf1hSlmeaf87vByQ0LmRQVWgTVZ1V2G7eDG0FxumzxTcEzEu3N4akuK95_DXBhpD4wByrM0IJnFgONVgK93qDCb7q0Co8GA

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC153bG2TO57_A5IoxUNGYvn2UEt5PBflAVLQZ0XSuxnzsC1bH8sTMkfQQpRYRRhPkB6mfhwkMIcX-8H9ZCQ9GQ39mrRRs9r_LrQ

then its called... take my breath away... hehe...

Let me guess.... these pics below were taken from the uncompleted RiverEdge condo project?

That's what you called breathtaking? How about these unblocked city skyline pictures taken from one of the apartnments in Singapore?

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC13o2qqN_jr9-AEmSknTW8m7Wl5zYYS66CnOaN_oLZ1IBoYHJFWKFsl5xVYTYys2mJZ-tXTRF6PtAf8fsoecTTc7f2crmksRlqQ

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC1w0ABYpFHWqe4MacoYct5Hnxx3aefEVhjLUQAFIy0tt6VXJr1sEYXmqSXotu6UZnS4GZ_V1PfzjlAxK5KXJ5rbdzLtzSkFuEJQ

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC142jf1hSlmeaf87vByQ0LmRQVWgTVZ1V2G7eDG0FxumzxTcEzEu3N4akuK95_DXBhpD4wByrM0IJnFgONVgK93qDCb7q0Co8GA

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC153bG2TO57_A5IoxUNGYvn2UEt5PBflAVLQZ0XSuxnzsC1bH8sTMkfQQpRYRRhPkB6mfhwkMIcX-8H9ZCQ9GQ39mrRRs9r_LrQ

Simply stunning :)

Probably because they are taken from different blocks and days. The 30th floor one was taken on a sunny day (and probably from the block nearest Lavender St.) so it looks better than the 41st floor one taken on a dark cloudy day (I think taken from the block nearest ICA).
pls correct me if i'm wrong, but my guess is that all the photos are taken from blk 80...the unblocked view is stunning

The view just melt my heart. Wonder that will command a premium in $?

The view just melt my heart. Wonder that will command a premium in $?
Not really. Citylights (and RiverEdge in the second series of pics) are still relatively cheap for the $$ .... their views and locations are hidden gems yet to be discovered by most investors.

I believe the premium $$ might come in when the hype over the new Sports Hub reaches its peak.

pls correct me if i'm wrong, but my guess is that all the photos are taken from blk 80...the unblocked view is stunning

I believe they were taken from different blocks (and not just Blk 80) because the position views of certain buildings shifted from pic to pic. Perhaps dddddd can confirm.

One of the pics was taken mid-way through the construction of Citylights as Eng Cheong Tower was still intact. I wonder what he was doing up there....

I believe they were taken from different blocks (and not just Blk 80) because the position views of certain buildings shifted from pic to pic. Perhaps dddddd can confirm.

One of the pics was taken mid-way through the construction of Citylights as Eng Cheong Tower was still intact. I wonder what he was doing up there....

Never expected my posting invited so much attention.
Let me further clarify with annotation and additional pics...

30Flr Blk86, Taken in Jun06
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC15AZtP0BvwV7BROxHxZSRKrp1MJv-9NU6RYJ1LvytqC-cELXJsoWg0ZlQraVPtudrYgHL5pJMN1lahD8NP4rRnjXkiD5FMXEgA

30Flr Blk86, Taken in Jun06
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC100CzYm__qGkn2V2hgi7qfWtDrHfscHEroKQE3oL9_8243imuCaP8-A_bzxmbbKY8Sj5PnWVlGJ_cnaRYegOLIphUrSFajUtKQ

41Flr Blk86, Taken in Nov06
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC1_Iysyo4xepm7XKkiCa21dnFeisDK425MhUlC4iCuinD5mE8DW_nypy5Ame8kPJedHFSTG_6H43gS2QC8gtzAUOcDO7oFV5sVA

35Flr Blk80 (The one blocking the rest), Taken in Apr07
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC10AbM54WSY88x-LFPAY4Jp8408kqPS_KFfIYcuUTlDsgkNqMXJuuONDU6ZJGAEeb0nQhjW4ACSPcyDy-cWdAr_Zxdu_90jP1CQ

35Flr Blk86, Studio, Taken in Apr07
Notice that Blk 80 blocks the IR and Singapore Flyer.
However the city skyline is still unblocked.
Singapore Flyer is partially visible only from the extreme LEFT end of block 86,
not from the studios.
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC1zi__k_zJy0tWvZaZL8xT2SwlizAQiQ4bPvJVTlQZlNszOMMcWY28Z2_1IJz3APja9pQpWzywbjRpM-y4RhOG1Bt726C_ekr1Q

35Flr Blk86, Taken in Apr07
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC15OwQ9ytuaDQ57vU2ttnFyRmOyYlgCFe8w0RQrPYPVa70YIPE_6UIVi_jNSBXrb_OCK5_-Q6g9Lp5Jr6Xwh1yOnFwD2ENzGSeA


40Flr Blk 86, Taken in Apr07
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC13kfvfNFuCl7ubmpQVeSKVIuFE8iHsYVxBPuzyVVkOmztpWA4FfzYn1rL5jWGTK2JdQJ0Yw4kBjiBGJ5OExlCkPBbDe7cF0KkA

40Flr Blk 80, Taken in Apr07
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC14aZk_6UmcVyVePso1-mo62rH293Q-68vhfjkS01ns992xhgmQG7yOQ4_P2j7bDE6F2crAUGI5rAse57lt-yoQUEiViEgMjO8Q

oh wow! thanks a million for sharing the wonderful views! they are really a sight to behold.

Let me guess.... these pics below were taken from the uncompleted RiverEdge condo project?

Well, yes and no.. :) It is definitely from the East!


The pics were taken from my apartment, Crystal Rhu, >15Flr. One of the small freehold projects in Tanjong Rhu. The asking price now is still affordable, +-1,000 psf. Well, i consider this cheap basing on the view I get to see every day and night.

I noticed that Tanjong Rhu has the best view of the CBD skyline. Reason is the view of the buildings is maximized to its breadth (wide horizon), not depth. What's more? The IR and Singapore Flyer are directly in front!!!

However the CBD skyline is not fantastic from Citylights. Firstly it is blocked by Suntec and Gateway, and Block 80 if it is viewed from block 86, 88, and 90. Secondly the horizon view is geared towards the depth, not breadth.

35Flr Blk86, Studio, Taken in Apr07
Notice that Blk 80 blocks the IR and Singapore Flyer.
However the city skyline is still unblocked.
Singapore Flyer is partially visible only from the extreme LEFT end of block 86,
not from the studios.
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC1zi__k_zJy0tWvZaZL8xT2SwlizAQiQ4bPvJVTlQZlNszOMMcWY28Z2_1IJz3APja9pQpWzywbjRpM-y4RhOG1Bt726C_ekr1Q

The architect should have designed Blk 80 in the shape of a triangle (narrower at one end and wider at the other end) so as to block less of the city view from Blk 86 and 88.

I noticed that Tanjong Rhu has the best view of the CBD skyline. Reason is the view of the buildings is maximized to its breadth (wide horizon), not depth. What's more? The IR and Singapore Flyer are directly in front!!!

However the CBD skyline is not fantastic from Citylights. Firstly it is blocked by Suntec and Gateway, and Block 80 if it is viewed from block 86, 88, and 90. Secondly the horizon view is geared towards the depth, not breaave dth.
What you said is very true about the CBD skyline views. Tanjong Rhu is the best for seeing the city skyline but Citylights is good for seeing the Tanjong Rhu skyline and their unique thatched roofs!

I used to visit a lot of showflats in Tanjong Rhu and could have got a unit there to stay because of the amazing city view. The drawback is that public transport (buses, taxis, MRT) in that area is still a challenge after so many years. Even basic conveniences and amenities such as an ATM machine and hawker food is not available within 400m and thus I forsee objections from family members who don't drive.

The part of Tanjong Rhu close to Meyer Road/Fort Road (where you stay) is definitely more convenient than those much further in.

Thanks dddddd for the nice pics! Can you share with us how you managed to get up to these units to take the pics when they are still under construction?

That's a nice job! The picture looks really great.Especially my unit is on the 39th floor. I believe with the current pace, the whole development will be ready in 6-8 mths time.I made a trip to the showflat today to enquire about the terrace houses. I was quite interested for that development, however it seems that they will just do renovation work on it. Means that the walls are re-used. That's must be really old then.

There are only 2 units left.The price for a 2800 sqf is about $2.2 mil and for the 3600 sqf is $2.8 mil. What you guys think about it? is it worth it? Another negative point that i can think of is the noise level at the ground floor. The traffic at that junction is really heavy in the afternoon.

That's a nice job! The picture looks really great.Especially my unit is on the 39th floor. I believe with the current pace, the whole development will be ready in 6-8 mths time.I made a trip to the showflat today to enquire about the terrace houses. I was quite interested for that development, however it seems that they will just do renovation work on it. Means that the walls are re-used. That's must be really old then.

There are only 2 units left.The price for a 2800 sqf is about $2.2 mil and for the 3600 sqf is $2.8 mil. What you guys think about it? is it worth it? Another negative point that i can think of is the noise level at the ground floor. The traffic at that junction is really heavy in the afternoon.

wow, 39th floor, premium views. not too sure about the terrace houses though.

Take a look at these, 39th Flr, Blk 80.
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC13ONJILqt80uTpFvFo_8YbPJPEEl0eDWXHrXBq77-OaRKNuNztIrJahKIbgXJt3OIDcEfpvZyXrdLl35541B2-UNIMexOI1HrQ

dddddd,
you've clearly been inside the units. (how is still a mystery), but can you tell us how the interiors are coming along? are they finished? do you have pictures of the interiors too that you could share with us?

ddddd,

That's a definitely incredible shot by you. He2 thanks a lot for the picture. Which unit of block 80 did you take the picture from?

Part of Kallang view facing Tanjung Rhu will be blocked by SouthBank when it rises ?

dddddd,
you've clearly been inside the units. (how is still a mystery), but can you tell us how the interiors are coming along? are they finished? do you have pictures of the interiors too that you could share with us?



The interiors are still half bare. Fixtures are on their way. However flooring is completed, some of the lower units are already done up with main doors.

Part of Kallang view facing Tanjung Rhu will be blocked by SouthBank when it rises ?
I suppose so but the impact would be minimal as most of the Southbank single block faces east-west, thus appearing thin and flat when viewed from Citylights.

That's what you called breathtaking? How about these unblocked city skyline pictures taken from one of the apartnments in Singapore?

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pN1mp8dKYgTGPk7Y61aHC13o2qqN_jr9-AEmSknTW8m7Wl5zYYS66CnOaN_oLZ1IBoYHJFWKFsl5xVYTYys2mJZ-tXTRF6PtAf8fsoecTTc7f2crmksRlqQ

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This has to be one of the most priceless skyline view of any city you can get anywhere in the world 0_o;

Beautiful ! Taken somewhere around Meyer ?

Beautiful ! Taken somewhere around Meyer ?

He already mentioned its taken from his apartment at Crystal Rhu which is near Fort Road. Truly amazing views!

love the rainbow shot. probably taken on new year's day. :)

Thanks dddddd for the nice pics! Can you share with us how you managed to get up to these units to take the pics when they are still under construction?

I suspect dddddd is actually Peter Parker and I believe we all know how he got in even though it is still under construction ... ... :sly:

ddddd,

That's a definitely incredible shot by you. He2 thanks a lot for the picture. Which unit of block 80 did you take the picture from?

Those pics were taken at stack 04. The basin and sea views are great, but the city view might be blocked by the proposed 40 storey hotel development at the mrt exit.

I suspect dddddd is actually Peter Parker and I believe we all know how he got in even though it is still under construction ... ... :sly:

Hahaha..... spidy indeed. Anyway, I noted security at most construction sites are quite lax closer to TOP so anyone can sneak in if he/she looks like a contractor or a renovator.

Hahaha..... spidy indeed. Anyway, I noted security at most construction sites are quite lax closer to TOP so anyone can sneak in if he/she looks like a contractor or a renovator.


hahahaha. I defintely do not look like a contractor nor renovator.

I am currently analyzing the blockage by southbank and riverine, will keep you posted soon.

Take a look at these, 39th Flr, Blk 80.
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This pano is lovely! Do you have a larger size?

Those pics were taken at stack 04. The basin and sea views are great, but the city view might be blocked by the proposed 40 storey hotel development at the mrt exit.
oh, that's bad news...:ohno: but the plot ratio looked too small for a 40 storey high hotel isnt it? when would it be ready?

oh, that's bad news...:ohno: but the plot ratio looked too small for a 40 storey high hotel isnt it? when would it be ready?

URA would be releasing it for sale in May 2007. The plot ratio is 4.5 so it is likely to be a tall building but may not be 40 floors. It might be the same as the allowable height for other hotel plot about 200m down Victoria Street - 153m or 25 storeys.

There is another nearby hotel development at the junction of Victoria Street/Jalan Sultan, opposite to Hong Wen School. Anyone knows if there are other developments (hotels, commerical or residential) around the area?