birthplace/ representative cars

France____Renault, Peugeot
Germany__Mercedes, VW
Italy_____Fiat, Ferrari
Japan____Toyota, Honda
S.Korea___Hyundai
Sweden___Volvo
U.K.______Rover, Jaguar
U.S.A_____GM, Ford

German cars.

BMW All The Way!

Usa

Germany: BMW, Merecedes Benz, Audi, Volkswagen, Porsche.
I think I'm missing some

Germany
Mercedes
BMW
Porshe

Italy
Ferrari
Lamborgini

Japan
Nissan
Toyota
Honda
Suzuki

U.K.
Bently
Rolls Royce

U.S.A
Ford
Lincoln
Cadillac

But the US cars are'nt as great as the other country's.

Germany and Japan
Mercedes, BMW, Lexus(Toyota's premium class)
These names come to mind immediately.

reliability: japan (hondas)
style: germany (mercedes)

the US stopped building really good cars 30 years ago...

I dont want to sound snobby but why did you choose Rover as the representative of the UK? Surely Jaguar(or even Vauxhall, at a push) would have been the more obvious choice?

That aside, I would still have to go for the Germans, their cars are rivaled only by the finest British Marques.

American Cars make me feel sad. What they lack in Style, Practicality, Engineering and Performance, they more than make up with ridiculously large fuel comsumption due to completely oversized engines. (I mean no offence, thats just what I think - I may be completely wrong about what I have said)

Europian cars are clearly the only way forward.(Japanese cars are not far behind)

Germany. I can cruise at 160 km/h in my VW Passat and the car will convince me that I'm going 100 km/h. Germans really know how to make cars that are rock-solid even at high speed.

Unfortunately, VW's electric systems aren't as robust, and the maintenance is horrifyingly expensive.

Japanese cars are the second choice. They're very reliable, but they don't give as satisfying an experience (excluding sports cars). IMO, they don't feel as intimate (no "character").

I like Audi A4/S4, and Japanese sport cars.....

I dont want to sound snobby but why did you choose Rover as the representative of the UK? Surely Jaguar(or even Vauxhall, at a push) would have been the more obvious choice?

That aside, I would still have to go for the Germans, their cars are rivaled only by the finest British Marques.

American Cars make me feel sad. What they lack in Style, Practicality, Engineering and Performance, they more than make up with ridiculously large fuel comsumption due to completely oversized engines. (I mean no offence, thats just what I think - I may be completely wrong about what I have said)

Europian cars are clearly the only way forward.(Japanese cars are not far behind)

Umm...why American cars make you sad? Do you know Mazda, Aston Martin, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover all own by The American, Hummer, SAAB all own by American ...what you think about American cars are the low end Ford, Buick or chevrolet...but American also make some really good one like Cadillac and Corvette...

del

Thats fair enough - i just dont think of America when I look at a jaguar. I didnt know ford owned mazda though! Didnt know saab was owned by an american car manufacturer aswell. I suppose when you think about it there are few car manufacturers that actually own themselves at all any more, whic is a bit of a shame, in my opinion.

With regards to american cars in general, I do admit that I was a bit rash in generalising such a huge selection of cars into one (quite scathing) statement. Its just that I've been in the US quite a few times now, and have been in quite a few different types of car - the last one was a cadillac(brand new, couldnt tell you the model though). It was nice, but it just lacked something that the likes of mercedes or audi etc have. The car before was a Buick, incedentally - not very impressive, although we have our fair share of crap cars over here in the UK aswell....

Sorry if I came across like a bit of a prat earlier!

You people cant think that way.......although Mazda is owned by Ford, it's more Japanese than American, just like Volvo always reminds me of Sweden but never USA. It's totally European

del

Umm...why American cars make you sad? Do you know Mazda, Aston Martin, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover all own by The American, Hummer, SAAB all own by American ...what you think about American cars are the low end Ford, Buick or chevrolet...but American also make some really good one like Cadillac and Corvette...


Well let me say this. I live in LA and most cars here are Japanese cars. American cars are kinda in a way not interesting to look at. Their interior are the worst, no design at all and heavy use of cheap plastic and big fat buttons...sigh. Ford on the other hand is improving their cars both exterior and interior so is Chrysler. Pontiac, Chevy, Buick, Dodge, Oldsmobile, Lincoln are just simply boring. Cadillac is just odd right now with their angular design.

Volvo, Aston, Mazda, L Rover, and SAAB are owned by Ford but they are still made in their own countries except Mazda. Volvos are still being designed and manufactured in Sweden, same goes for SAAB. Aston Martin and Jaguar is still being manufactured in Britian not USA so they are not American cars but European car companies with an american boss paying them to make good cars.

I like Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Maserati, Jaguar, Volvo and Porsche.

I like British cars. Even though Jaguar is now American, it originated in Great Britain. Other British cars I like are Rolls Royce, Bentley, and Range Rover.

Isn't America home to one of the fastest cars in the world? The Saleen S7. The car goes from 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. Price tag is about $400,000.

http://digilander.libero.it/Logiko2031/Saleen%20S7.jpg

I'd have to say I like German and Japanese cars the best, although IMO, the Germans are really slipping lately.

I used to think BMWs were some of the best looking cars on the planet, but their design chief has really messed them up. The new BMWs are NASTY looking. Audis and VWs are really appealing, unfortunately, they seem to have more than their share of problems. I would trust any American car over a VW/Audi.

Japanese cars are still the most trustworthy, but most of them are boring, especially Toyotas. The only independent Japanese companies left are Toyota and Honda, the rest of them are part of another company.

I like German cars the most. My favorite car company right now is VW. I REALLY want to Jetta, but I don't have enough money...lol. They are very reliable (what I've heard from a friend), and they have some of the best designs, I think. We have an Audi though, and I like that a lot, they have good designs and I like the interior a lot... German cars rule! lol

I like Japanese cars too, well only Toyota. My grandparents have Toyotas and I like those a lot too...lol

The Saleen S7 is ugly. I'd spend the $400,000 on a Ferrari and a Saleen Mustang. And keep the change for home improvement.

I think VW cars are a matter of hit and miss. VW reviews range from rock-solid reliabiliity to shoddy and consistent problems. Looks like the QC over in Deutschland needs to shape up, and also put the regulating down on the North American factories. Besides that, however, VW and German cars in general have given me a satisfyingly charismatic driving experience that has never been matched by the relatively boring Japanese cars.

My most favorite 4-door Compact Sedan:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/c_sedan_10_main.jpg

My most favorite 4-door Mid-Size Sedan:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/e_sedan_2_main.jpg

My most favorite 4-door Luxury Sedan:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/s_sedan_4_main.jpg

My most favorite 2-door Coupe:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/cl_coupe_8_main.jpg

My most favorite 2-door Convertible:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/sl_500_0_main.jpg

My most favorite 4-door Sport Sedan:
http://www.mbspy.com/c219/a2003f6495_760mbs.jpg

My most favorite Station Wagon:
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2004/n01/21_detroit/800/04.jpg

My most favorite Super Cars:
http://www.supercars.de/data/mercedes-benz/2003slr%20mclaren/480/165.jpghttp://www.supercars.de/data/mercedes-benz/2003slr%20mclaren/480/069.jpg

http://www.supercars.de/data/_cboa/46/1024/480/4610242.jpghttp://www.supercars.de/data/_cboa/46/1024/480/4610245.jpg

My most favorite SUV (so far):
http://www.supercars.de/data/porsche/2002cayenne%20turbo/480/017.jpg

Of course, I know Jaguar was born in U.K. But now Ford has it.
So, if I wrote Jaguar in U.K's section I thought American people harbored ill feeling.
In a word, I took off complicated things.
In the same way, Mazda was born in Japan but now Ford has it.
I didn't write it in Japan's section.


jaguar is still a british car company... saw their plants in coventry. mazada is still very much japanese and they are still in hiroshima. just becuase they are owned by americans doesn't mean they still arn't british and japanese respectively.

chrysler is now owned by mercedes but they will always be american. a dodge viper, chrysler 300 and jeep liberty not known as german vehicles.

New kids on the block - CHINESE AUTO!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
http://www.zhonghuacar.com/images/gallery/gallery_1.jpg
http://www.zhonghuacar.com/images/gallery/gallery_4.jpg
http://www.zhonghuacar.com/images/gallery/gallery_g.jpg
http://www.zhonghuacar.com/images/gallery/gallery_7.jpg
here is the website http://www.zhonghuacar.com
http://www.dfmc.com.cn/cp/238.jpg
http://www.dfmc.com.cn

Honda's new acura RL

http://www.acura.com/images/rl/rl_gall_wallpaper06_800x600.jpg

http://www.acura.com/images/rl/rl_gall_wallpaper07_800x600.jpg

I love German cars, specifically Mercedes. The new BMW's do not please me. American cars seem a little cheaply made to me, and seem to not last as long as the others. Also where is this Chinese automobile going to be available?

I love German cars, specifically Mercedes. The new BMW's do not please me. American cars seem a little cheaply made to me, and seem to not last as long as the others. Also where is this Chinese automobile going to be available?


The above Chinese sedan shown is from Brilliance Auto model is Zhonghua. Its currently in China, and some Texas company is going to import some of them into USA by the end of this year, but not sure if they are importing Brilliance or Geely(another chinese car co.) Oh and that design shown, Daewoo decided to use it for one of their models.

LOL so Zhonghua's english name is Brilliance Auto? it's cheap and it's not bad quality, although a lot need to be done before they can catch up with their japanese and korean counterparts. I heard its next generation M2 Sedan is going to be out in 05, it's smaller, has a more powerful engine (1.8 Turbo-chared i believe), the design was by Pinnifarina, and Porsche also provided some technical assistance.
http://www.ce.cn/cysc/auto/csjj/csxw/200408/13/W020040813374121341244.jpg

More pics of M1
http://www.brilliance-auto.com/upload/news/0000000081_20041015174114.jpg
http://www.brilliance-auto.com/upload/news/0000000081_20041015174452.jpg

by the way this brilliance auto also locally produces BMWs (3 and 5) under license in Shenyang, China.

SAAB, but KIA Sportage is also not so bad.

CARS SUCK

And they're uglier than shit-covered sin.

Audi and Lamborghini!

GuyPhil, if you are so hung up on Merc sedans you should get behind the whell of a Maserati Quatro....Grace of a Rolls, runs like a prancing horse...
http://www.dayer.biz/images/IAA%202003/Maserati_Quattroporte.jpg

Pinnifarina designed that Chinese car?!?! Something seems murky...

I drive a Honda Accord.

I'd like to drive the hottest sports car on the planet, dollar-for-dollar, which would be a Corvette.

CARS SUCK

get a truck...

"Originally Posted by Flatiron
CARS SUCK

"get a truck..."



Flatiron is definetely a scooter-guy.



Cars should be a hobby or an obsession...not treated like a practicality....Why anyone would want an asian car is beyond me....spend the money on something that actually has some sense of style...fet a fuking '68 Cutlass ragtop in Plum Crazy.


And in terms of what country has produced the best cars with the most character, the classiest, the most stylish cars in the history of the auto....that's easy....the UK.

How could you even consider anything else...how could you possibly not puke your guts out just thinking of japanese cars????? (ok...I'll make an exception for the origional 240Z)

I know why....the world is a giant bore.


Let's take a quick look at a few of the great marques from GB

Jaguar
Rolls-Royce
Bentley
Lotus
TVR
Aston Martin
AC
Caterham
Westfield
Morgan
McLaren
Rover
Austin-Healey
MG
Vauxhall
Morris
Riley
Land Rover
Triumph
Panther
Sunbeam
Daimler
Allard
Alvis
Armstrong Siddeley
Berkeley
Bristol
Connaught
Dellow
Doretti
Elva
Hillman
HRG
Humber
Jensen
Jowett
Lagonda
Peerless
Riley
Singer
Standard
Sterling
Turner
Wolseley


THE FUKING MINI !!!!!







KGB

A little OT but does Japan sell Acura cars like TL and RL in Japan as Hondas?

I drive a Maybach 57 now, but Ive owned 5 Mercedes Benzes and its my favorite car brand. The cars are beautiful and Ive never had major problems with them.

I like the germans(Mercedes and VW especially,Audi so so and BMW no way!)and I like the British cars too(Rover,Jaguar,Aston Martin...)

Larger upmarket cars like the TL and RL aren't even sold in Japan, not even as Hondas. They have their own domestic models, with vastly different features.
Japanese cars sold in the US are only Japanese by name now. Most of them are designed and produced in the US.

AUDI n.1

Larger upmarket cars like the TL and RL aren't even sold in Japan, not even as Hondas. They have their own domestic models, with vastly different features.
Japanese cars sold in the US are only Japanese by name now. Most of them are designed and produced in the US.

???
what are you talking about?
Acura TL and RL are sold in japan under Honda's brand.
Most of them design and produced in the US.?
Not most but some of them, and even for the design center and production lines the TOP are japanese.
It's just like most japanese makers have factory lines in China but the main concept are controlled by the headoffice in Japan

Best French car, Bugatti 16/4 Veyron.

http://www.speedygrl.com/Racer/wallpapers/bugatti_16-4_veyron.jpg


W16, 1001Hp :D

0 - 60 mph: est 3.0 seconds
Top Speed 406 kph / 252.3 mph



Other French minor brand, Venturi.

http://automobile.nouvelobs.com/mag/020909/mondial/venturi/images/av.jpg

http://alex.carpent.free.fr/Venturi.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/bfecsa2/hpbimg/2002_grand-prix_1.jpg

I prefer German and French cars...


and Spanish, of course. (but it's half German) :D

http://assets.in.gr/auto/news/images/big/Seat_leon_Cupra_R_01_3651.jpg

I drive a Maybach 57 now, but Ive owned 5 Mercedes Benzes and its my favorite car brand. The cars are beautiful and Ive never had major problems with them.

Maybachs do have cool interiors but I have to say that I find them a little ugly at times. They look better in the flesh than in pictures but to me the whole two tone thing doesn't quite work and the front grill looks cheap somehow. You should have got a RR Phantom ;) (it's a personal taste thing) Still, lucky you for driving such a nice car. Do you get chaufered in it at all? it often looks as though the place to be is the back seat, though they are supoosed to be very good to drive too :)

They all do their own thing quite well. Europe produces the best performance and prestige cars, asia produces the best economical and rally cars and the US produces the best bricks that old men drive. I may be biased in coming from the UK, but here is my chart based on your countries. I'd consider the top 5 as good.

1. (tied) U.K.
1. (tied) Germany
3. Italy
4. Japan
5. France
6. Sweden
7. S.Korea
8. U.S.A

Do they? Never seen them (the US just got a new TL; never heard of its Asian counterpart) *shrug*

I wanted to bring up Toyota as an example; after the Celica is discontinued in the US, the Land Cruiser will be the only remaining Toyota sold in the US and still made in Japan. It's kind of sad...

Best French car, Bugatti 16/4 Veyron.

http://www.speedygrl.com/Racer/wallpapers/bugatti_16-4_veyron.jpg


W16, 1001Hp :D

0 - 60 mph: est 3.0 seconds
Top Speed 406 kph / 252.3 mph




i have read the history of the bugatti (which is one of my favourite car too! :) )
and i know that the guy was italian and the car was french and now the VW owns the brand name but why is that the only domain they have is bugatti.at ??? cos i didnt notice any austrian connection with this brand :/
check the bugatti.fr .de .com etc !!!
and look at the bugatti.at <-- this is the real site of the company but why???

btw hi exarchus :)

Hello, what's up?


They have http://www.bugatti-cars.de/bugatti/index.html too. The brand is Volkswagen owned now, true. But the technical part, Messier-Bugatti, who makes the wheels, carbon brakes, braking control and hydraulic systems (and not only for cars but also for planes) is still 100% French, it's owned by SNECMA (who makes the reactors for Airbus with Rolls Royce and the reactors of the Rafale and other French military planes). The cars uses a lot of French industry in its conception like Michelin for the pressure control system.

BTW, voted France, Germany and USA.

I voted for Korea because one day i will get my self a Protomotor's Spirra :)
http://www.fast-autos.net/protomotors/spirra.jpg
http://www.mcarsweb.com/protomotors/spirra.jpg
http://www.mcarsweb.com/protomotors/spirrab.jpg

1. Germany
2. Japan
3. USA ( I am a big fan of american cars!)
4. France

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That Protomotor car is from the 1990s, isn't it?

how about everyday cars?

some of my favourites:

japanese:

http://files.photojerk.com/sybarite/minica.jpg


http://www.japcar.ru/autowallpapers/nissan_primera_800x600_1.JPG



italian


http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/lancia/Ypsilon.jpg
http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/lancia/Ypsilon_bk.jpg




french
http://www.renault.com/img/gamme/images/velsatis_ext2.jpg
http://www.renault.com/img/gamme/images/velsatis_ext3.jpg




swedish
http://www.edmunds.com/media/news/concept.car/saab.9x/saab.9x.r34.500.jpg

Everyday French cars:

http://www.auto-sfondi-desktop.com/Wallpapers_Renault_/Renault-Velsatis/Renault-Velsatis-04/Renault-Velsatis-04_800.jpg

http://www.eesti-renault.ee/gfx/galerii/velsatis4.jpg

http://citroen.triger.com.pl/img/34406/4193x.jpg

http://www2.shtvu.edu.cn/carrepair/images/peugeot_607_2.jpg

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atcars/impression/photo/mihori_206cc.jpg

Talking about affordable cars...

Germany....I like a lot BMW , Porsche and Audi.....my favorites !

Sweden: I like Volvo cars also...
from USA I like Cadillac and Corvette
British.....Maybach, Bentley and Rover......style !

French car...mmm...Peugot has some nice designs...

Japanese cars are ugly but they have the highest quality and reliability.
Korea.....cars are funny and a little weird....but hey are ok, not expensive...


btw...I love SUV's....oh what about the VW Touareg...impressive but 50K dollars ! ! ! ...are they crazy ??????

oh...I just drive a Jeep Liberty....wild off road, I love it ! ! !

[B]Talking about affordable cars...


from USA I like Cadillac and Corvette
British.....Maybach, Bentley and Rover......style !



Affordable cars?

Anyway, Maybach is German not British.

[B]Talking about affordable cars...



hehe
u r lucky that a bentley or porshe or cadillac is affordable for u :)

British Cars

Range Rover:
http://udcars.topcities.com/Wallpapers/LandRoverRangeRover_2.jpg

MG ZR:
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/pics/roezr160.jpg

TVR T350:
http://www.clubedoterere.com.br/ninguem_de_ferro/carros/tvr3502.jpg

Aston Martin Vanquish:
http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/supercar/images/aston_martin_vanquish_11.jpg

Bentley (don't remember the model):
http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/supercar/images/bentley_hunaudieres_11.jpg

McLaren F1 LM:
http://carsandtrains.com/diecast_king/autoart/mclaren_f1_lma.jpg

I can think of loads more but that's a fair selection...

Affordable cars?

Anyway, Maybach is German not British.


Exarchus & Kucksi:

well I didn't say affordable for whom ????
jejejejejejeje


Opps, thanks for the correction on the Maybach origin.

Maybachs do have cool interiors but I have to say that I find them a little ugly at times. They look better in the flesh than in pictures but to me the whole two tone thing doesn't quite work and the front grill looks cheap somehow. You should have got a RR Phantom ;) (it's a personal taste thing) Still, lucky you for driving such a nice car. Do you get chaufered in it at all? it often looks as though the place to be is the back seat, though they are supoosed to be very good to drive too :)

LOL

I drive myself. My car doesnt have the central console in between the two rear passengers( I can fit 3 in the back). The dealership salesman told me that Maybach tweeked many of their US-bound units to suit the US Market-in other words, most of the Maybach owners here drive themselves.

As far as the RR Phantom, Its quite stunning indeed.

ITALY


LANCIA

Ypsilon
http://www.omniauto.it/files/y011.jpg
http://www.newstreet.it/img/magazine/395/lancia-ypsilon-05.jpg

Thesis
http://www.motorbox.com/Upload/L/LanciaThesis-2777-010-f.jpg
http://www.motorbox.com/Upload/L/LanciaThesis-2777-002-f.jpg
http://www.motorbox.com/Upload/L/LanciaThesis-2777-025-f.jpg

FIAT

Idea
http://************/eemad

Idea 5 Terre (2005-2006)
http://************/eembl
http://************/eemc1

Trepiuno (3+1) (2006)
http://************/eemfl
http://************/eemg3

ALFA ROMEO

147 Restayling (2004)
http://************/eemgy
http://************/eemhf


.......

From France,

Peugeot

1007
http://mondial-auto2004.turbo.m6.fr/modeles/peugeot/002/galerie01/images/grand/1.jpg

206 CC
http://www.outrefranc.com/pleinsphares/peugeot/206cc/206cc5.jpg

307
http://auto.sohu.com/piclib/psa/peugeot/307/big/Peugeot_307tu016.jpg

307 CC (coupe cabriolet)
http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/peugeot/peugeot_307_cc_2002_01_s.jpg
http://www.cool.no/artikler/bil/peugeot/307cc/peugeot307cc2.jpg

407
http://assets.in.gr/auto/news/images/big/in_Peugeot_407_7129_04.jpg

407SW
http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/motorshows/geneva2004/03-large/peugeot-407sw-f3q.jpg

607
http://www.auto-zentrale-klein.de/bilder/neuwagen%20peugeot/607-limousine-standard-strasse.jpg

concept car 907

http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/peugeot/907_concept/2004_peugeot_907_concept_01_m.jpg
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/peugeot/907_concept/2004_peugeot_907_concept_02_m.jpg
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/peugeot/907_concept/2004_peugeot_907_concept_03_m.jpg

France and Italy. Most other car companies produce cars that have no style and look as if the design process took 1 day or so.

"Cars should be a hobby or an obsession...not treated like a practicality...."

No--cars should be treated like a Weapon of Mass Destruction, which in terms of lives lost and the planet degraded is exactly what they are.

Or--think of it this way:

You could buy one of these hunks of chrome for 80K and up...

Or a custom T-shirt that reads: I AM A WITLESS ASSHOLE AND MINDLESS CONSUMER for about 5 bucks.

The social message is the same.

My favorite affordable cabriolet: Mazda MX-5. (Mazda Miata in the USA) Cheapest model available for 19.990 €.
http://sycomax.mazda-motor-europe.com/picturepool/pics_D/forecourt/up_close/MX-5/Gallery/5_gallery_thumbs_big.jpg


I also like the Lotus Elise, but it is far less affordable.
http://www.spiceisle.com/glouison/Sports%20Cars/New%20Cars/2001%20Lotus%20Elise.jpg

"Cars should be a hobby or an obsession...not treated like a practicality...."

No--cars should be treated like a Weapon of Mass Destruction, which in terms of lives lost and the planet degraded is exactly what they are.

Drivers kill each other, not cars.

"Drivers kill each other."

If only it were restricted to drivers.

Drivers, alas, also kill passengers, pedestrians and anyone and everyone else they happen to collide with up to and including livestock.

"Cars should be a hobby or an obsession...not treated like a practicality...."

No--cars should be treated like a Weapon of Mass Destruction, which in terms of lives lost and the planet degraded is exactly what they are.

That sounds about right.

I drive a Maybach 57 now, but Ive owned 5 Mercedes Benzes and its my favorite car brand. The cars are beautiful and Ive never had major problems with them.

:lol:

this car is ridicolous, it's the biggest shit produced in the history of motors

http://www.spiceisle.com/glouison/Sports%20Cars/New%20Cars/2001%20Lotus%20Elise.jpg

my love from Paris motor show


http://ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=84469&stc=1
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=84468&stc=1
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=89482&stc=1
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=79018&stc=1
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=79020&stc=1
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=79010&stc=1 http://ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=84472&stc=1 http://www.centoprimari.com/box1/manet.jpg

I drive a Maybach 57 now, but Ive owned 5 Mercedes Benzes and its my favorite car brand. The cars are beautiful and Ive never had major problems with them.

:rofl:

I don't believe you... you may say whatever you want but i still won't believe you.

As for myself... i drive a Ferrari Enzo now, but i've owned 5 porsches and its my favourite car brand. The cars are beautiful and I've never had major problems with them! LOL!

... hum... explain me what is a millionaire doing on this forum? Wasting his precious time?

this car is ridicolous, it's the biggest shit produced in the history of motors

http://www.spiceisle.com/glouison/Sports%20Cars/New%20Cars/2001%20Lotus%20Elise.jpg

Its not even a sports car for fuck's sake.

I like BMW (all series), Renault (safety cars like Megane and laguna), Mazda (Mazda 6 and Mazda 3 are very beautiful and Cheap), Ford F150 (history ... it´s an icon), off couse Ferrari, Volkswagen New Bettle, Audi (Only A8) and ... Subaru ... wow.

Here in Colombia the most sold one it´s Opel Corsa evolution ... but the best car (Beautiful and Cheap) it´s mazda6!!!

I don't like the American typical car then it is not friendly with the atmosphere. Their motors are very big and monstrous.

:)

I really like Japanese, German's and Swedish cars.

Japanese like Honda, Nissan, Mazda, Subaru and Toyota
German's like Audi, BMW and Opel
Swedish like Saab and Volvo.

I really don't like Italian cars (dad previous car was a Lancia Lybra and it really suck's !)

Now we have a Mitsubishi Motors Galant from 1990 and a Renault Laguna Grandtour 2004.

http://www.nismo.co.jp/M_SPORTS/entertainment/download/wallpaper/no5_800.jpg

Its not even a sports car for fuck's sake.

Considering the size of it's engine and it's fuel efficiency I'd like to see you find a comparable car that's faster.

German cars have to be the best, especially BMW and Audi, the Mercedes are good but if you buy one of the cheaper ones like a bottom end C class the build quality wont be as good as the higher priced C class one. If you brought a cheaper BMW it the built quality would be just as good as the higher priced one. Weird very but that’s how it is. Also The build quality its mint in Germany better than most of the other counties (japans are also very good). UK built quality is rubbish alot of the xk8 jags would basically fall apart and break very easily. I know what am talking about because am always in and out of my dads body shop. The problem with some of Japan cars is the older ones. This is that if theres not very many of them. E.g. if you crashed one could be very expensive to fix. My dads got an Mitsubishi Fto the front end is totally smashed up. Half of the car needs replacing and is going to cost 1000s to put new. If you crashed a rover you could get the parts cheaper simply because you don't have to import the new parts.

I think German cars are high quality and high reputation on car industries, well maybe most European cars are good on design and automobile engineerings. You'll know a lot if you study auto engineerings that European cars are very well designed on mechanic, stability...etc.

But if you're asking me what car to buy, I would say Japanese cars. Most of Japanese cars are cheaper and saves fuel. They are designed for more convenient engineering.

So I chooses Europeans and Japanese.

German cars are extremely expensive to maintain. The experience is rewarding, though.

i have a CITROEN PICASSO, for me its great.

Japanese because of reliability, fuel, and more enviromentally freindly (but i guess im a hypocrite because I still love sports cars)

Sports Cars:
Skyline (drifting):
http://www.nlgaming.com/games/1990/skyline_repl_slide.jpg
FD3S:
http://www.veilsidejpn.com/info/img/d1-gt/fd3s.jpg
FC3S:
http://kyoto.cool.ne.jp/okisgallery/gallery/fc/img/fc1.jpg
AE86(yes just because of Initial D):
http://www.japmobiles.com/articles/gfx/drifting/ae86-levin.jpg
EVO:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/images/04rallystars_9.jpg
Impreza:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/site.neo/Imprezawrc2002_WEB.jpg

Regular Cars:

Prius:
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/342004152019.jpg
Grandis:
http://www.cars.ru:8100/pics/mitsubishi_grandis_1.jpg
Forester:
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/wheels/img/may03/foresterbig052803.jpg
Insight:
http://www.prelude-fan.de/pics/insight_1.jpg

Nissan and Mitsubishi are Japanese brands but Subaru aren't so the Impreza shouldn't be included. I'm not sure what brands some of those are so I can't comment on them.

Subaru aren't

Subaru is the automotive division of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), a comprehensive, multifaceted transport equipment manufacturer based in Sapporo, Japan. FHI develops a range of innovative products based on reliable technology in divisions such as the Automobile Division, the Aerospace Division, the Bus Manufacturing & House Prefabricating Division, the Industrial Products Division and the Transportation & Ecology Systems Division. FHI aims to develop premium brands and be a major player on the global stage in the twenty-first century. To support the future of people and the planet, FHI creates products full of individuality and promise by taking a pioneering stance and respecting tradition. The Company has technology borne of the cross fertilization of technology derived from freethinking and flexibility and unfailing enthusiasm.

From: subaru.co.jp

germany: vw (volkswagen, audi, seat, skoda), mercedes, bmw, porche...

I really like Japanese, German's and Swedish cars.

Japanese like Honda, Nissan, Mazda, Subaru and Toyota
German's like Audi, BMW and Opel
Swedish like Saab and Volvo.

I really don't like Italian cars (dad previous car was a Lancia Lybra and it really suck's !)

Now we have a Mitsubishi Motors Galant from 1990 and a Renault Laguna Grandtour 2004.

Good for you! But when you say you don't like Italian cars, you probably don't feel right. Am I correct?
What about cars made by Ferrari, Masserati, DeTomasso, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Lamborghini, Auto Bianchi, Fiat etc.? What about all the classics like Lamborgini Countach, Ferrari 365 spider or the Masserati Quattroporte?
Or the new Ferrari 360, 612 or the Enzo? Lancia Thesis? Alfa GT? Lambo Gallardo? Come on, man! Motorcycles like the Aprilia RSV 1000 or Moto Guzzi MGS-1.
Italian cars in general are the most beautiful immaginable and are of a technical high standard nowadays. Common rail, Multipoint injection. It's all Italian.... Ask Schumacher or Rossi. They can tell.

I have to admit I'm prejudged. I drive a beautiful black 2001 Alfa 156 1.8 GTS

Japanese (especially, MAZDA, SUBARU) and British (ASTON MARTIN) and French (CITROEN).
Americans are also nice, but personally I don't like Germans.

Subaru is the automotive division of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), a comprehensive, multifaceted transport equipment manufacturer based in Sapporo, Japan.

The company is HQered in Shinjuku, Tokyo

会社名 - 富士重工業株式会社　（英訳名：Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd.）
創立 - 1953年（昭和28年）7月15日（創業：1917年（大正6年5月））
本社所在地 - 東京都新宿区西新宿一丁目7番2号

(From FHI Japanese homepage)

The Japanese and German cars.

German cars. Audi's are the best driving machines on the road, and they look awesome. VW's are great too, don't like the new BMW's much though, and Mercedeses doesn't have the high quality feeling Audi's have. Volvo's are great cars too, and so are some Alfa Romeo's, just because of the way they look. IMO japanese cars have no style, though they have a good quality. Take the new Honda Accord, drives like a volkswagen passat, but the estate version just looks so ugly! Too bad the japanese don't come up with better styling, would make their cars sell so much better in europe. And american cars..well what can i say, i've never driven one. But the general impression i get is that they look way too dull and conservative, their interiors are made of cheap plastics and that they have way too big engines that use way too much fuel! Why do americans keep buying these things?? :) The chrysler 300c looks great though, one of the first american cars for a long time that has a good desing, especialy the touring version!

German cars. Audi's are the best driving machines on the road, and they look awesome. VW's are great too, don't like the new BMW's much though, and Mercedeses doesn't have the high quality feeling Audi's have. Volvo's are great cars too, and so are some Alfa Romeo's, just because of the way they look. IMO japanese cars have no style, though they have a good quality. Take the new Honda Accord, drives like a volkswagen passat, but the estate version just looks so ugly! Too bad the japanese don't come up with better styling, would make their cars sell so much better in europe. And american cars..well what can i say, i've never driven one. But the general impression i get is that they look way too dull and conservative, their interiors are made of cheap plastics and that they have way too big engines that use way too much fuel! Why do americans keep buying these things?? :) The chrysler 300c looks great though, one of the first american cars for a long time that has a good desing, especialy the touring version!

Well said there, I gotta add that the new Viper is looking amazingly good though. ;)
Anyway, Audi is without a doubt the best vehicle out there along with Toyota.

Japan- Honda, Nissan, and Toyota
Italy- Lancia
Sweden- Volvo

Umm...why American cars make you sad? Do you know Mazda, Aston Martin, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover all own by The American, Hummer, SAAB all own by American ...what you think about American cars are the low end Ford, Buick or chevrolet...but American also make some really good one like Cadillac and Corvette...

...and British company Henly's owns Bluebird, a large manufacturer of American yellow school buses. When you see a yellow school bus, you think American though, right?

Same goes for the Ford and GM-owned international car marques. When I think of a Jag, I think of it's Britishness, not the fact that it's owned by Ford of America.

jaguar is still a british car company... saw their plants in coventry. mazada is still very much japanese and they are still in hiroshima. just becuase they are owned by americans doesn't mean they still arn't british and japanese respectively.

chrysler is now owned by mercedes but they will always be american. a dodge viper, chrysler 300 and jeep liberty not known as german vehicles.


Chrysler is not owned by Mercedes. Both Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz are owned by (ie subsidiaries of) DaimlerChrysler, which is headquartered in Germany. DaimlerChrysler also owns Smart, Unimog, and Freightliner to name but few.

A little OT but does Japan sell Acura cars like TL and RL in Japan as Hondas?


Acura is a North America-only brand. The cars it sells are practically all rebadged Hondas:

RSX = Honda Integra
NSX = Honda NSX
TSX = Honda Accord (European/Japanese)
MDX = Honda MDX
RL = Honda Legend
EL = Honda Civic

I believe only the TL is a bespoke Acura design, but sits on a modified US-Accord (Japanese Inspire) platform.

Larger upmarket cars like the TL and RL aren't even sold in Japan, not even as Hondas. They have their own domestic models, with vastly different features.
Japanese cars sold in the US are only Japanese by name now. Most of them are designed and produced in the US.

Wrong. The RL is a Honda Legend and sold in Japan. Many Japanese cars are built in the US, with equivalent models built in Japan and Europe.

Its not even a sports car for fuck's sake.

Clearly written by someone without any clue about cars.

Japenese!!

All but korean cars.

Cars?
Only one: FERRARI.
http://www.galleria.ferrari.com/galleria/img/DSC_0842_490.jpg

Some more Japanese cars:


Honda HSC

http://www.mcarsweb.com/honda/hscb.jpg

Honda IMAS

http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag162/gnv04_honda_imas_2_big.jpg

Mazda Washu

http://www.mazdacar.ru/galery/washu/washu7.jpg
http://www.mazdacar.ru/galery/washu/wsh_interior10_lg.jpg

Toyota (Lexus) PM

http://tekkep_20.sitemynet.com/mynet_resimlerim/toyota_pm.jpg

Toyota (Lexus) Fine N

http://users.bignet.net/~gloria1025/naias04/lexusfinen.jpg

Germany
Mercedes
BMW
Porshe

Italy
Ferrari
Lamborgini

Japan
Nissan
Toyota
Honda
Suzuki

U.K.
Bently
Rolls Royce

U.S.A
Ford
Lincoln
Cadillac

But the US cars are'nt as great as the other country's.

Rolls Royce *lol* german nickname: BMW 10er... (a BMW 316i is in german a BMW 3er, a BMW 740d a BMW 7er ....).

Only the interieur is Made in the UK - the whole carbody, the engine etc. is produced in Bavaria....

I like japanese cars and german cars, especially the phaeton(I've been to its production plant), maybach, honda LEGEND (favourite car) and honda fit (jazz)

birthplace/ representative cars

France____Renault, Peugeot
Germany__Mercedes, VW
Italy_____Fiat, Ferrari
Japan____Toyota, Honda
S.Korea___Hyundai
Sweden___Volvo
U.K.______Rover, Jaguar
U.S.A_____GM, Ford

Not Only: you just omit
France: Citroen
Germany: Audi, BMV, Porsche, Opel
Italy: Lancia, Alpha Romeo
Japan: Nissan, Datsun
Sweden: Saab
UK: Rolls-Royce, Aston Martin

do they still make datsun cars?

HYUNDAI has improved quality so much !!

At least I think its not any more junk auto maker in the past.

DETROIT -- The car made a dramatic entrance, lowered by chains from the ceiling into a cloud of smoke and flashing lights. This was no curvaceous sports car debuting at the North American International Auto Show; it was an unadorned four-door sedan -- the 2006 Hyundai Sonata.

A few years ago, such hype for a Hyundai might have seemed funny, given the South Korean company's reputation for cheap, shabby products. But this week's bold unveiling of the Sonata was greeted soberly by rival U.S. automakers, who now compare South Korea to the up-and-coming Japan of the 1980s.

Hyundai Corp. is wooing and winning American consumers just when Detroit's Big Three thought they had enough of a fight on their hands trying to take back market share from the decades-long onslaught of Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. The rollout of the redesigned Sonata is a sign of how much more cutthroat the U.S. auto market could become in the next few years, with most experts convinced that China will soon follow with inexpensive products of its own.

"I think Detroit has the potential to be in serious trouble. They're just being bombarded," said Art Spinella, an auto industry expert with the consulting company CNW Marketing Research in Oregon.

Hyundai has reached this point gradually, increasing its sales for each of the past six years after stumbling badly in the 1980s with poor-quality products. Last year, the company overtook Honda and Nissan to become the world's seventh-biggest automaker. Also last year, U.S. consumers rated Hyundai and Honda as tied for second-best in overall quality in an influential J.D. Power and Associates survey -- ahead of Mercedes-Benz and behind only Toyota.

Beginning this fall, Hyundai will start producing Sonatas at its first American plant, recently completed in Montgomery, Ala. The new version of the car is bigger than either of the industry's current top mid-size sedans, the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. It will have a suite of standard safety features unmatched by its competition, including six air bags and electronic stability control. And it is planned to have a base price below $20,000.

If Hyundai can pull off that combination, as well as keep its newly minted reputation for quality, it stands to cause serious problems not only for Detroit, but for Japanese companies as well. In fact, Hyundai Motor America chief Robert F. Cosmai repeatedly invoked Toyota and Honda while presenting the Sonata last week, never mentioning a domestic competitor.

"Hyundai is very clearly targeting Toyota -- I don't think there's any doubt in anybody's mind that Hyundai really does want to take a piece out of them," Spinella said. "And the attitude is, they'll walk over Nissan, Honda, GM and Ford in order to get there. Even if they never touch Toyota, in the meantime there'll be a whole lot of collateral damage."

Consumers will reap the rewards, because Hyundai will have to keep prices low to fuel its growth, and that will force the rest of industry to do the same, said Paul Eisenstein, publisher of TheCarConnection.com. But it's a tricky path for the Koreans to walk, he said, because car buyers won't accept any lapses in quality as Hyundai irons the inevitable bugs out of its brand-new Alabama factory.

"If they blow it with this [Sonata], if they stall in quality right now, it will hurt them in image immeasurably and will take them a long time to recover from. So they have to hit it right, right out of the gate," Eisenstein said.


Hyundai's advantage, at least at the outset, is a low cost structure. The new plant is heavily automated, and its 2,000 employees are not unionized. Detroit's manufacturers carry huge extra burdens of "legacy" costs -- health care and pensions for retirees that add more than $1,000, on average, to the cost of every vehicle -- that Asian competitors do not share.

U.S. automakers also happen to be embarking on the same mission as Hyundai, trying to make gains in the passenger car market after years of focusing on trucks and sport-utility vehicles. With loads of new products of their own, Detroit executives are wary of the redesigned Sonata.

"Sonata has always been a formidable competitor," General Motors Corp. Vice Chairman Robert Lutz said in an interview. "We take Hyundai seriously."

Lutz pointed out that GM has a Korean strategy of its own, teaming with partner Daewoo to produce the low-cost compact car Aveo. If Hyundai takes price competition to an extreme, he said, GM could always mine that relationship for more products.

At Ford Motor Co., design chief J Mays was more dismissive of Hyundai. "I suppose if price is the only consideration, they might have a good car on their hands," he said. "We think a lot more enters into [purchase decisions] than price."

But consultant Spinella, who routinely surveys current and prospective car buyers, said the public already views Hyundai and its sister brand, Kia, as more than just a low-cost option.

People are drawn to the brand as a high-value alternative to more mainstream products, he said. "We're seeing the same attitudes toward Hyundai, and to a lesser degree Kia, that we saw when doing surveys of Toyota buyers back in the '70s and early '80s. Back then it was, 'I don't want to drive my father's Oldsmobile.' Today it's 'my father's Camry.' "

Toyota spent decades figuring out the U.S. market before hitting its stride just over a decade ago; Hyundai is evolving much more quickly, adding a full lineup of SUVs and minivans by the end of next year. High fuel prices and an uncertain economy have helped spur them along and open the door for even more competition.

Earlier this month, a U.S. distributor announced plans to begin importing low-cost cars from China in the next few years. Spinella conducted a survey of 640 people who said they were thinking of buying a car, and found that nearly a third were willing to buy Chinese as long as the product was of reasonable quality.

"There isn't a huge resistance," he said. "Somebody coming in with lower price and higher content just like the Koreans did is going to wind up grabbing at least a chunk of the market."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16846-2005Jan17_2.html

How about,

Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Lotus, Rolls Royce, Bentely

You mean Bentley?

What about TVR, Delfino and Coleman too?

sorry for my typo, i forgot about TVR. McClaren and MG too.

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I voted for Italian cars (Alfa is my favorite)...

France is doing really well at the moment (Renault Laguna, Citroen C5 and Peugeot 607 are beautiful cars), but they lack in reliability


Alfa 166:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ElectricalStorm/KleinerFormaat-Alfa16607.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ElectricalStorm/KleinerFormaat-Alfa16610.jpg


Renault Laguna:

http://www.motiontrends.com/2000/features/mondial/photos/Renault%20Laguna%20fs.jpg

http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/renault/renault_laguna_2003_01_s.jpg



Citroen C5

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ElectricalStorm/CitroenC501.jpg



Peugeot 607:

http://www.johnharrisonpeugeot.co.uk/directory/peugeot-607.jpg

do they still make datsun cars?

Nissan used to use Datsun as a trading name for its cars until the easrly 1980's when it used the Nissan badge instead.

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I know, but I don't like the newer model
The new 156 looks better

Although the 2nd pic looks good

My most favorite 4-door Compact Sedan:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/c_sedan_10_main.jpg

My most favorite 4-door Mid-Size Sedan:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/e_sedan_2_main.jpg

My most favorite 4-door Luxury Sedan:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/s_sedan_4_main.jpg

My most favorite 2-door Coupe:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/cl_coupe_8_main.jpg

My most favorite 2-door Convertible:
http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/sl_500_0_main.jpg

My most favorite 4-door Sport Sedan:
http://www.mbspy.com/c219/a2003f6495_760mbs.jpg

My most favorite Station Wagon:
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2004/n01/21_detroit/800/04.jpg

My most favorite Super Cars:
http://www.supercars.de/data/mercedes-benz/2003slr%20mclaren/480/165.jpghttp://www.supercars.de/data/mercedes-benz/2003slr%20mclaren/480/069.jpg

http://www.supercars.de/data/_cboa/46/1024/480/4610242.jpghttp://www.supercars.de/data/_cboa/46/1024/480/4610245.jpg

My most favorite SUV (so far):
http://www.supercars.de/data/porsche/2002cayenne%20turbo/480/017.jpg


Wow is that station wagon gonna be available in the US any time soon???

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Not Only: you just omit
France: Citroen
Germany: Audi, BMV, Porsche, Opel
Italy: Lancia, Alpha Romeo
Japan: Nissan, Datsun
Sweden: Saab
UK: Rolls-Royce, Aston Martin

Sorry, but I purposely omitted them because Korea or Sweden would be disadvantageous in terms of the number of their motor makers, so I decided to list for 2 makers or less each country.

Germany, UK and the US of A.

Most of mine have been Toyotas. I know I know dull but the best thing of
all is that mine is PAID FOR!

I quite like this...

http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/AUTOTRITI/390/NEWS/27.FordFocus3.jpg

I generally like German cars though, the build quality is superb. The BMW M3 is a personal favourite, although I really like the new Audi a4.

BMW is losing the plot styling-wise lately..... :crazy:

Hyundai and Kia are the most known Korean automobile brands, but there are some more companies in Korea: Renault-Samsung, GM Daewoo, Ssangyong. I don't think it is known that Samsung produced automobiles. They started with trucks, and moved to cars in the 90s. But they failed and I hope they never try it again.

Anyway, although I don't drive, I like German and Japanese cars the most. But I doubt if I can afford to buy any of German brands in the future.

I like the U.K.

http://www.future-software.co.uk/News/2002-10-01/Jaguar%20XJ.gif

http://www.autonavigator.ru/autowallpapers/images/bentley-continental-gt-01.jpg

http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/SALON/Rolls%20Royce%20Phantom_av.jpg

http://www.in.gr/auto/parousiaseis/foto_big/ae_Range_Rover_678_19.jpg

Spyker from The Netherlands

http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/4952.jpg

http://www.audiworld.com/news/01/031001/violette06.jpg

http://auto.szonline.net/szcar/wpimages/Volvo-S40-2004-014.jpg

http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2004056afull.gif

Frankly speaking, if you had enough money to buy luxury cars from Japan, England, USA, Germany and Italy, wouldn't you buy the one from Germany like BMW, Benz, and/or Audi?

I am sorry that if my question hurt those who love Italian, American, British, and Japanese cars.

The best SUV: Lada Niva :lol:

http://www.viermalvier.de/technik/fahrzeugtest/lada/niva/images/niva_sauber.jpg


http://www.on4sh.be/foto/lada-niva/lada-niva3.jpg

I like the U.K.

http://www.future-software.co.uk/News/2002-10-01/Jaguar%20XJ.gif

http://www.autonavigator.ru/autowallpapers/images/bentley-continental-gt-01.jpg

http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/SALON/Rolls%20Royce%20Phantom_av.jpg

http://www.in.gr/auto/parousiaseis/foto_big/ae_Range_Rover_678_19.jpg

Those are so gentlemanly features.（・∀・） Please show those interiors too.

I really like infiniti, nissan's luxury division
http://press.nissan-global.com/COMMON/IMAGES/CURRENT_US/INFINITI_FX45/LOW/infiniti-fx45_01.jpg

http://www.motordesktop.com/wallpaper/luxurycars/Infiniti%20G35%20Sport%20Coupe%202004%20-%201024x768.jpg

http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos/data/713/11infiniti_g35_08-med.jpg

http://www.carx1.com/wallpapers/08/Infiniti-G35-Sedan-0_1024.jpg

to me German and French

Wat about the indian ambassador
http://www.photo.net/philg/digiphotos/200103-d1-delhi/ambassador-car.half.jpg

Sniff such a beautiful car

I salute her

I like the U.K.

http://www.future-software.co.uk/News/2002-10-01/Jaguar%20XJ.gif

http://www.autonavigator.ru/autowallpapers/images/bentley-continental-gt-01.jpg

http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/SALON/Rolls%20Royce%20Phantom_av.jpg

http://www.in.gr/auto/parousiaseis/foto_big/ae_Range_Rover_678_19.jpg

The irony is that you cannot really call any of these cars "british". Perhaps the Jaguar, I am not sure how much of the JAG R&D has been transfered the USA. The Bentley Continental GT is a VW Phaeton.

So is Volvo not Swedish? Or does this mean that Skoda isn't Czech anymore.

We can extend this to other companies, so Burger King isn't American? Or does it mean they have to be designed in a country to classify? Or maybe they have to be made there?

I hope you see that by any definition of nationality there are problems. If a brand trades of the fact of a certain nationality, then it is safe to assume that it is that naitonality.

So is Volvo not Swedish? Or does this mean that Skoda isn't Czech anymore.

We can extend this to other companies, so Burger King isn't American? Or does it mean they have to be designed in a country to classify? Or maybe they have to be made there?

I hope you see that by any definition of nationality there are problems. If a brand trades of the fact of a certain nationality, then it is safe to assume that it is that naitonality.

Yes I would say that Skoda is not Czech anymore. They do still have a design office near Prag but that's about the size of it. They do produce their cars in the Czech Republic but the Fabia for example is over 50% german content.

Burger King is american to me because all the decisions are made in the USA, even if the burgers themselves are made locally.

Volvo is a difficult case. They do a lot of their own engineering. In fact the Ford Focus based Volvo S40 cannot be made on the same line because Volvo changed the plattform so much to the enragement of Ford. I guess if I say that Volvo is swedish then I have to call Jaguar british. I will not change my stance regarding tje Continental GT. Bentley is british but the GT is a Phaeton.


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I respect home of those cars now.

（・∀・）

Yes I would say that Skoda is not Czech anymore. They do still have a design office near Prag but that's about the size of it. They do produce their cars in the Czech Republic but the Fabia for example is over 50% german content.

Burger King is american to me because all the decisions are made in the USA, even if the burgers themselves are made locally.

Volvo is a difficult case. They do a lot of their own engineering. In fact the Ford Focus based Volvo S40 cannot be made on the same line because Volvo changed the plattform so much to the enragement of Ford. I guess if I say that Volvo is swedish then I have to call Jaguar british. I will not change my stance regarding tje Continental GT. Bentley is british but the GT is a Phaeton.

But Burger King is owned by British company Diageo plc. Is Burger King still American?

But Burger King is owned by British company Diageo plc. Is Burger King still American?

Okay I did not know that. I guess I can not answer that since I do not know to much about the fast food industry.

Does that mean that Burger King is British or American?

1st.germany and france 2nd

New Citroen C6:

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/2431/c0500801rvb6qh.jpg

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/1897/c0500803rvb7wi.jpg

Sorry for the size. I didn't expect so big pictures.

Good to appreciate the details :D

It looks like an audi

^blehhh what's that stuff? it looks the old audi a6!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

New Ferrari F430 spider:http://www.************/1pcch4 http://www.************/1pcchy

France and Germany for me! But I also like Italian and Japanese cars...;)

It looks like an audi

Yep,
the new Citroen A6.

It looks like an audi

Yep,
the new Citroen A6.

Seems that the Audi Designers did a lot right, when even the French are copying Audi's design.

Audi = I hear
Horch (Audi's ancient name) = I hear

But Burger King is owned by British company Diageo plc. Is Burger King still American?

Diageo actually sold BK a couple of years ago for $2.2 billion to a group of American venture capitalists. It still owns Guinness, however.

Okay I did not know that. I guess I can not answer that since I do not know to much about the fast food industry.

Probably wise not to make claims then that you can't back up.

The back of the new Citroen C6 rocks, but the front looks like shit.

Probably wise not to make claims then that you can't back up.

Probably wise to read the thread before making comments like that. It was Pricemazda who brought Burger King into the equation, I was content to keep this limited to the auto industry. Since he did ask I replied that "Burger King is american to me." The only thing that one can in theory fault me one is me saying that the decisions are made in america. Which may or may not be correct.

It was only an example, that nationality of prodcuts and comanpies is not straightforward. So Rolls Royce even though owned by VW (I think) still trades off the fact it is british. Or is Volvo not Swedish anymore?

It was only an example, that nationality of prodcuts and comanpies is not straightforward. So Rolls Royce even though owned by VW (I think) still trades off the fact it is british. Or is Volvo not Swedish anymore?

RR is owned by BMW. VW did buy RR but then found out that BMW owned the rights to the name Rolls Royce because of their activities with RR aerospace, so their purchase was worthless. :nuts:

Like I said in a previous post I do consider Volvo to be a swedish company because they have enough independents to annoy the hell out of Ford Motor Company and make some decisions of their own . If BMW told RR to use a torsen differential and RR said that it wants to use a haldex differential BMW would proberly ask them what part of torsen they did not understand. RR of course has a very rich british history and the name itself screams "britishness".

Probably wise to read the thread before making comments like that. It was Pricemazda who brought Burger King into the equation, I was content to keep this limited to the auto industry. Since he did ask I replied that "Burger King is american to me." The only thing that one can in theory fault me one is me saying that the decisions are made in america. Which may or may not be correct.

I did read the thread, thank you. It's irrelevant who brought what into the equation; what is relevant however are facts. You stated, and I quote: "Burger King is American to me because all the decisions are made in the USA, even if the burgers themselves are made locally". You stated this despite subsequently acknowledging that you didn't know who owned them. Diageo wholly-owned BK for many years, and ultimately the decisions driving the company were made in London. Since the sale in August 2002, they're now made in San Francisco.

Swedish cars
http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/startimage_quote_2.jpg
its a very fast car 0-100km/h on 3.2s, 390km/h
http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/imagearchive/ccr_yel_blue_1_640.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/06/koenigseggcc02_02_800.jpg
swedish power ;) Koenigsegg CC (2002) and JAS 39 Gripen(developed by saab, built by saab)
http://www.saab.com/main/image/model_intro/image_gallery/93_CONV_ext_4.jpg
Saab 9-3
http://www.saab.com/main/image/model_intro/image_gallery/95_WAGON_ext_4.jpg
http://www.volvocars.se/NR/rdonlyres/6877D442-B195-4964-811C-0F403B871477/0/xc90_ext_604x314_10.jpg
Volvo XC90,
http://www.volvocars.se/NR/rdonlyres/AFA4B97E-254F-4443-8436-39491BD90CA9/0/s40_ext_604x314_08.jpg
s40

I really like saab but i dont like volvo very much

Like I said in a previous post I do consider Volvo to be a swedish company because they have enough independents to annoy the hell out of Ford Motor Company and make some decisions of their own . If BMW told RR to use a torsen differential and RR said that it wants to use a haldex differential BMW would proberly ask them what part of torsen they did not understand. RR of course has a very rich british history and the name itself screams "britishness

Volvo is still very swedish, its the same with saab, but these companies dont just make cars, they make much much more then that ;) Saab make jas 39 gripen, weapons, satellites, underwater smaller subs etc etc

And Rolls Royce are famous for other things too!

I own a Toyota Avalon myself, but my favorite cars are from Germany, namely Mercedes. I also like Italian Lancia and Alfa-Romeo :). But If I had lots of money I would buy Her Majesty's car ;) Aston Martin.

Australian Holden

can people given at least a bit more info than car companies? car names like Subaru Legacy, etc. I just want to see which cars people like, more than car companies.

As i said before in the thread, I like the new Honda Legend, with the new design and new technology such as SH-AWD.
I also like the Mistubishi GTO / 3000GT, fot once, I want to buy one and tune it up to 500hp.

And Rolls Royce are famous for other things too!
exactly!

USA and Japan.

I did read the thread, thank you. It's irrelevant who brought what into the equation; what is relevant however are facts. You stated, and I quote: "Burger King is American to me because all the decisions are made in the USA, even if the burgers themselves are made locally". You stated this despite subsequently acknowledging that you didn't know who owned them. Diageo wholly-owned BK for many years, and ultimately the decisions driving the company were made in London. Since the sale in August 2002, they're now made in San Francisco.

Fine so they are an Anglo-Saxon company. :)

Volvo is still very swedish, its the same with saab, but these companies dont just make cars, they make much much more then that ;) Saab make jas 39 gripen, weapons, satellites, underwater smaller subs etc etc

Unfortunately the aerospace part of Saab has nothing more to do with the company that makes Saab cars. They are two seperate entities. The same goes for Volvo cars and Volvo marine/trucks.

Unfortunately the aerospace part of Saab has nothing more to do with the company that makes Saab cars. They are two seperate entities. The same goes for Volvo cars and Volvo marine/trucks.

In terms of ownership, Saab as a car company is a separate legal entity, yes, given that they're owned by GM.

Likewise, Volvo cars are these days part of Ford, while Volvo trucks now owns Renault trucks (RVI) and Mack.

Beleza piu bella di tutti mundi!! Italy!!! Alfa Romeo!!

SEAT from Spain!!

bye bye 3er!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=183194

Rolls Royce aerospace like saab is a separate legal entity from the car business.

my fav cars are UK and Germany

BENZ & BEAMERZ
German cars for luxury (affordable) cars

german cars....

for cars German or Japanese...but for trucks I like American.

FIAT X1/99

http://www.************/20flug
http://www.************/20fm1z

Fiat have an amazing ability to produce the worlds ugliest cars.

.....keep your chinese rover

http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/legend/photo-lib/photo09.html

[/IMG]http://www.honda-club-ems-jade.de/Honda%20News/db_Civic_5door2006_22.jpg

new civic 2006

New spyker.
V8 4 liter engine.
400bhp.
0-62 in 4.5 seconds.
Top speed of 215 mph.
http://www.spykercars.nl/digital_images/images/Golden%20Gate%20Bridge.jpg
See what you can do when you put your mind to it. You can build a silly fast car.

You are aware Ford owns Volvo?

http://www.honda-club-ems-jade.de/Honda%20News/db_Civic_5door2006_22.jpg

new civic 2006

Is that just a prototype or has it been released on the Honda website?!

British - Aston Martin, Jaguar, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Lotus, McLaren, TVR.

Is that just a prototype or has it been released on the Honda website?!

it's a concept to be released around end of 2005, and yes, the pic has been released on honda official website .

That Honda looks crap. If your going to buy a car get a German one. Best built cars in the world, they won't fall apart like a ford or a jag. You can't go wrong with a BMW, Merc ,VW, Porsche or an Audi. Anyone who buys a ford is normal and boring. Anyone who buys a Korean car is just plain stupid. Most other cars are alright but de Germans make the best by far.

Fiat have an amazing ability to produce the worlds ugliest cars.

:lol: So true. See the result... it was reallt funny to see GM paying €1.5 bi. to be allowed NOT to buy the company.

:lol: So true. See the result... it was reallt funny to see GM paying €1.5 bi. to be allowed NOT to buy the company.

GM is in crise, they didn't have the money to buy!

GM is in crise, they didn't have the money to buy!

They could have bought Fiat, but why would they waste $4 billion? They prefer to use that money to restructure Opel and Saab.

Maybe Carlos Ghosn could help :D

New spyker.
V8 4 liter engine.
400bhp.
0-62 in 4.5 seconds.
Top speed of 215 mph.
http://www.spykercars.nl/digital_images/images/Golden%20Gate%20Bridge.jpg
See what you can do when you put your mind to it. You can build a silly fast car.

215mph.... I dont think so! maybe with another 200bhp

The honda civic si hatchback otherwise known as the eg6 in Japan ???
year 1992-1995 ???

http://www.netpilot.net/webcars.nsf/9b36ee77b5c2faf2802565a600623dc2/a3790a49dfb67647c1256a8d003aea4a/$FILE/Civic%20EG6.jpg

What I like about the car is that it's not too big or too small. I hate hate hate the cars that are being produced today. They are all too big! A "compact car" today is equivalent in size to a "full size" car 10 years ago. That and the car has a nice body with a good overall balance of price, comfort, performance.

For the uninitiated this was a very popular car amongst "tuners" as in people who like to modify their cars....if you still don't know what I'm talking about think of the movie "The fast and the furious" BTW an unflattering name for a modified Japanese car is "rice rocket"....and those who drive them..."rice boys".

I would like to get one of these cars that HAVE NOT been modified.....almost impossible.

That Honda looks crap. If your going to buy a car get a German one. Best built cars in the world, they won't fall apart like a ford or a jag. You can't go wrong with a BMW, Merc ,VW, Porsche or an Audi. Anyone who buys a ford is normal and boring. Anyone who buys a Korean car is just plain stupid. Most other cars are alright but de Germans make the best by far.
you might be right about your opinion, but some people don't care what company and they just want to find a car that suit their needs. like anyone who buys a korean car is stupid?
i have to agree that germans make quality cars, but in terms of satisfaction, number of problems on the JD power associates, some japanese automakers are ranked higher than audi, etc. toyota, lexus, honda, etc. are ranked higher because of their innovative tech. (depends on the location)

toyota, lexus, honda, etc. are ranked higher because of their innovative tech. (depends on the location)

Stop keeping your all-new technologies for your domestic market and send them over here!!

In Europe, people don't realize that what they will find on a high-end €100,000 S-Class in 2 years is already available in Japan for years.

215mph.... I dont think so! maybe with another 200bhp
Well either it does that or the company that makes it is bull shiting. You do know that alot of 500bhp cars can do 200mph+ easily. Some cars with 300bhp can do 180-90mph, its entirely possible for a 400bhp car it to do that speed. Its called being clever and advances in technology.

you might be right about your opinion, but some people don't care what company and they just want to find a car that suit their needs. like anyone who buys a korean car is stupid?
i have to agree that germans make quality cars, but in terms of satisfaction, number of problems on the JD power associates, some japanese automakers are ranked higher than audi, etc. toyota, lexus, honda, etc. are ranked higher because of their innovative tech. (depends on the location)
Ye some people do just want a car that works but Korean cars only just work ,they are very cheap built and for £10,000 for just getting ripped off thats why I said stupid(because anyone with sense wouldnt go near them). For that you could buy alot of quality. Am talking about build quality the dash board, frim, seats ect. Jags just fall apart when comparing to a BMW it just doesnt happen. In a Bmw you just dont get bits falling off, you can punch the dash board for hours and nowt will happen. I dont know what JD power Associaties is.

Stop keeping your all-new technologies for your domestic market and send them over here!!

In Europe, people don't realize that what they will find on a high-end €100,000 S-Class in 2 years is already available in Japan for years.

i agree with u! i ain't japanese by the way, but TAIWAN. the japs got all the hi tech cars while other nations got crappy stuff. WE DEMAND BETTER CARS!

I like German cars. As you can see from my signature.

i agree with u! i ain't japanese by the way, but TAIWAN. the japs got all the hi tech cars while other nations got crappy stuff. WE DEMAND BETTER CARS!

"you" was not you, Mr. howjimaru, it was a general "you" :D


They have good reasons:
- Japanese are known to be crazy about new technologies, and they have the money to buy it. In Europe, we are probably more "reasonable"
- They launch a first generation in Japan, not 100% satisfactory. But it's a good experience, they get feedbacks from real life use of the system.
They won't export a system before it's perfect.

Stop keeping your all-new technologies for your domestic market and send them over here!!

In Europe, people don't realize that what they will find on a high-end €100,000 S-Class in 2 years is already available in Japan for years.

do you have examples of such techologies we still don't know in europe but that are already avaible in Japon?

:lol: So true. See the result... it was reallt funny to see GM paying €1.5 bi. to be allowed NOT to buy the company.


The reason GM backed out of the deal was because its own European subsidiaries are already experiencing falling market share, as is Fiat.

They could have bought Fiat, but why would they waste $4 billion? They prefer to use that money to restructure Opel and Saab.

Maybe Carlos Ghosn could help :D


A company that could easily purchase a conglomerate such as Fiat would not have announced last October that it was going to reduce its own European workforce by 12,000.

do you have examples of such techologies we still don't know in europe but that are already avaible in Japon?

Mainly : camera-based systems, steer-by-wire, CO2 HVAC, hybrid engines, and probably many others that I don't know

A company that could easily purchase a conglomerate such as Fiat would not have announced last October that it was going to reduce its own European workforce by 12,000.

I didn't say they should buy Fiat, I said GM could afford Fiat.
Obviously, it would have made no sense.

Mainly : camera-based systems, steer-by-wire, CO2 HVAC, hybrid engines, and probably many others that I don't know

+ Night vision

"you" was not you, Mr. howjimaru, it was a general "you" :D


They have good reasons:
- Japanese are known to be crazy about new technologies, and they have the money to buy it. In Europe, we are probably more "reasonable"
- They launch a first generation in Japan, not 100% satisfactory. But it's a good experience, they get feedbacks from real life use of the system.
They won't export a system before it's perfect.

ur right Bender, my bad....

http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~wcr2511/jdpower3.JPG
http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~wcr2511/jdpower2.JPG

More Japanese cars:


Lexus series
http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2004/newyork/highlights/images/lexus-lfc20.jpg
http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2004/newyork/highlights/images/lexus-lfc18.jpg
http://www.lexus.com/assets/about/concept/gallery/lf-x/console.jpg

Toyota PM
http://arabam.milliyet.com.tr/fuar/2003/tokyo/toyota_pm.jpg

Toyota MRTC
http://www.autonews.com/files/2004geneva/toyota/mrtc/images/mtrc5.jpg

Toyota Fine N
http://www.edmunds.com/media/2003/tokyo/toyota.fine-n/toyota.fine-n.int.500.jpg

Mazda Washu
http://www.mazdacar.ru/galery/washu/washu7.jpg
http://www.mazdacar.ru/galery/washu/wsh_interior10_lg.jpg

Honda IMAS
http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/SALON/GENEVE/Honda%20IMAS.jpg
http://www.carmarket.ru/images/concept/honda-imas-03.jpg

Honda Kiwami
http://www.hizone.info/data/2003/10/23/images/honda-kiwami6.jpg

Honda HSC
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2000-2003/2003-Honda-HSC-Concept-RA-1600x1200.jpg

Nissan Serenity
http://www.carmarket.ru/images/concept/nissan-serenity-04.jpg

Nissan Effis
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2003/n21/salon/800/102.jpg

Mitsubishi Sero
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2003/n21/salon/800/69.jpg
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2003/n21/salon/800/74.jpg

Suzuki Land Breeze
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2003/n21/salon/800/126.jpg

FIAT SUV

http://www.************/28qp08

These are two of the best cars to come out of Japan.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Lancer-Evolution-VIII-MR-FQ-400-FA-1280x960.jpg
http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/nissan/nissan_skyline_gt-r_v_spec_ii_1998_01_m.jpg

American Cars Blow Chunks in hell

Seat from Spain!
:)

German cars

I didn't say they should buy Fiat, I said GM could afford Fiat.
Obviously, it would have made no sense.

I disagree they could afford the company in anything more than the short term, given that both GM's existing European operations as well as Fiat themselves are both losing market share.

Oh.....what a surprise!! Who said Alfa is without reliability??!! :bash: :bash:


http://www.************/2buzv6

Italian cars, of course! Bye
http://www.omniauto.it/files/159_002.jpg
I love it!!

LANCIA DELTA INTEGRALE (6 times world champion, probably the best rally car ever built)

http://www.************/2cym2g
http://www.************/2cyo3d
http://www.************/2cyozn

There are things in life that reach a legendary status for various reasons. The Lancia Delta Integrale, more than any other car, has reached this status partly because of its complete dominance of the rallying world for many successive years and partly because of the outraging looks of the Evoluzione models. Being a legend does not, of course, imply this car drives better than another, simply there's a certain aura around it that makes most people fall in love with it or, to say the least, arouses their curiosity.

It is not easy for a novice to find his way through the different Delta Integrale models that were produced over a relatively long period so here's a very brief description:

All models where based on the original Lancia Delta that was designed by Giorgio Guigiaro in 1979 who produced a remarkably time-resistant design. The chassis used was an evolution of the Fiat Ritmo's.

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The original model, launched during May 1986, was very close to a "normal" Delta with the addition of 4WD and a turbocharged engine. That was the Delta 4WD. It looked very close to the basic Delta but was a whole different car to drive. Its 2lt, 8 valve engine had an output of 165Bhp (150 in its "green" version).
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Then, in November 1987, came the Integrale 8V followed, in May 1989, by the Integrale 16V. These models had wider wheel arches and modified suspension settings (although the basic geometry and layout remained the same) and more powerful engines (185Bhp for the 8V, 200Bhp for the initial 16V). Some countries, like Switzerland and Germany, would only import catalytic (green) engines. Lancia were not able (willing?) to produce a 16V catalyst equipped engine so they marketed special editions of the 16V and initial Evoluzione models in which they fitted an 8V catalytic engine (178Bhp).
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In October 1991 Lancia produced the first Evoluzione model, sometimes referred to as Deltona. The car had a much wider body, different front suspension attachment points, longer suspension travel, additional air intakes, wider track, bigger front brakes with 4 pot aluminum calipers and a radiator to cool the power steering fluid among other minor changes. The Delta Evoluzione was fitted with a 16V engine that had an output of 210Bhp. The "green" countries still imported the Evoluzione fitted with an 8V engine and only 185Bhp. The Evoluzione I unfortunately maintained the undersized 15" wheel but added 5 spoke hubs and a different, stronger, wheel design.
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By June 1993 Lancia managed to produce a catalytic converter equipped version of the 16V engine and fitted it in the Evoluzione II . It had an output of 215Bhp, new engine management (still the excellent Magneti-Marelli IAW but running at 8MHz and using double the memory capacity compared to the previous ECU), a more sophisticated knock sensor was fitted to the engine bloc, a double ignition coil with dual outputs on each coil and contact-less ignition and, finally, 16" wheels. This version was not used as an FIA GroupA homologation special so Lancia took the opportunity to produce a more civilized and progressive car. A smaller turbocharger was fitted, as compared to previous versions, and this resulted in less turbo lag but also less engine responsiveness in high revs. The Evoluzione II is significantly less performing than its predecessor but far more driver friendly and pleasant to drive on an everyday basis. The Evoluzione II Kat version is sometimes, wrongly, referred to as Evoluzione III.

The last Delta Integrale left the Maggiora factory in November 1994.

Comparing the initial Delta 4WD to the Evoluzione II can help you realize the stages of development the Lancia Integrale went through. Eight years on steroids added a whole 10cm to the front and rear tracks of the car. The Lancia's width grew by some 15cm! during the same period. Note also that the Evoluzione series of the Integrale are as wide and use the same track width as current WRC class cars! Finally the 2lt engine's output gained a whole 30% over 7 years of development evolving from the original 165Bhp to 215Bhp.

Basically all the models use the same transmission, 4WD train, engine bloc and suspension geometry. What differentiates them is mainly the engine's output and management and of course the chassis. The Evoluzione models are the ones that display the best handling characteristics and feel more "reassuring" to the driver. Previous models, although very quick and impressive, have a certain savageness and unpredictability in them at the limit of grip.

Lancia is the most successful manufacturer in world rallying ever. The company has more than 74 victories on its account and 11 World Rally Championships (6 won with the Integrale, a unique figure in the WRC for any car). The Delta Integrale, all versions combined, has scored 46 WRC wins, another unique and unmatched figure. Naturally Lancia was the manufacturer best prepared to face the shift from Group B to Group A in 1987. They had a production car, at the time, which was far better suited for rallying than any other on the market. This car was the Delta 4WD. It naturally won all the main events the year Group B cars where banned (1986) and became world champion in 1987. It evolved, through the years (from 1987 to 1992) to be called Integrale then Integrale 16V and finally Integrale Evoluzione. It won 6 world rally championships far more than any other car. Lancia being the most serious manufacturer to have ever taken part in rallying the best drivers have driven for them: Kankkunen, Biasion, Auriol, Alen, Toivonen, Röhrl and even Carlos Sainz, they have all been behind Lancia steering wheels. Lancia is also the most successful team in the WRC with cars such as the Stratos - 17 WRC wins, 037 (a.k.a. Rally) - 6 WRC wins, the Delta S4 in Group B - 5 WRC wins and the Delta Integrale in Group A - 46 WRC wins. We'll only deal with the latter in the next pages.


Lancia has been a Fiat owned company for many years now. Fiat also owns Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Innocenti and now Maserati. Their marketing strategy was to engage Ferrari in F1, Alfa Romeo in the Touring Car Championship and of course Lancia in the WRC. Another effect of Fiat's ownership was the use of Fiat engines in the cars of all the other manufacturers. The engine that was chosen for the Integrale was the Fiat 2lt Turbo boosted inline 4. This engine, designed originally by Aurelio Lampredi (a genius who engineered Ferrari's first engines back in 1947 and subsequently worked for FIAT/Abarth until 1982), was built around a dual camshaft head. Variations of the Lampredi engine were used, previously, in lots of Fiat and other Fiat owned cars like the Fiat 124, 125, 131, Ritmo, Lancia Beta and Delta. Check out the engine and Integrale 16V specs. The specs of the Integrale 8V are here, the Evoluzione specs here and Lancia rally car pictures here. The Lancia Delta Integrale uses a long stroke engine (bore smaller than stroke) favoring low rev torque over high rev output. This might seem to you as an atheism but, having owned both an 8V version and an Evolution II Cat (16V), I believe (and I'm not alone) that the 8 valve version of this engine is more fun to drive. This engine (the 8V) has a more "savage" feeling in it while under 5000rpm than the 16V versions. Remember that the 8V engine uses a larger turbocharger which introduces more lag but delivers substantial benefits in terms of driving pleasure. Of course the 16V version has more "life" in it above the 5000rpm mark. One last word on the Integrale's engine. The unit has the peculiarity of using two balancing, counter rotating shafts in order to filter out vibrations that are inherent to 4 cylinder inline engines. These shafts were not used in competition engines.

Production-wise the number of cars produced by Lancia is:

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1986/1987 7,665 units (4WD)
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1988/1991 23,004 units (8V and 16V)
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1991/1993 5,619 Evoluzione I
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1993/1994 Evoluzione II 4,223

A grand total of 47,787 cars where produced.

Compare this number to the total of 7,145 Ford Escort RS Cosworth units.

When Lancia dominating rallying, with the Integrale (86-93), the rally world was a bit less sophisticated than it is nowadays. No computer controlled differentials, for instance, were used in races at that time, they were being developed then. So the Integrale was a solid car (compared to the "fragile" at the time Escort RS Cosworth) that managed to end most of the races it took part in.

The Delta was very remotely based on the S4 Group B car (or was it the other way around...). It's main innovation, technically, was the use of a Torsen (which stands for Torque Sensing) rear differential. This device has extraordinary capabilities. It acts, somewhat, like a viscous coupler only its response to slide is instantaneous. It can also handle partial slip loads automatically whereas other types of mechanical differentials use fixed rates. The TorSen can therefore eliminate slip between wheels or axles for ratios of 10% up to almost 100%, by transferring the engine's torque to the wheel that slips the less. Furthermore TorSen differentials, unlike viscous couplers which are very commonly used in 4 wheel drive cars, act differently when the car accelerates than when it brakes. In fact this is one of the main problems in 4 wheel drive cars. When the car accelerates it is very useful to be able to lock one (or all) of the differentials in case a wheel is spinning. When braking, on the other hand, if one wheel locks (due to excessive braking or loss of grip) the differential must not lock otherwise the locked wheel will greatly deteriorate the braking performance or even have the car spinning around its vertical axis. This problem was very elegantly solved by Lancia in the Integrale by the use of the TorSen differential and the braking system's setup detailed further. Viscous couplers do lock in braking situations. In case you're wondering why other manufacturers don't use the TorSen the answer is: it costs more.

The resemblance between the S4 and the Integrale stops at looks however. All other parts and car architecture are completely different. The Integrale sports a front, transversally mounted, 4 cylinder engine. The fact the engine is mounted transversally complicates the transmission layout for a 4 wheel drive car. It is particularly important that the shafts driving each wheel are of equal length. This is required to assure similar handling characteristics in both left and right corners. In the Integrale the problem is handled by mounting the gear box at the rear end of the engine (next to the left wheel) then using an internal axle to send back the power to the centrally mounted center differential. This, epicyclical, center differential uses a classic viscous coupler as a locking device and splits engine torque unequally between the front and rear axles.

The torque distribution between axles varies slightly between different Integrale versions. The first series of cars (Delta 4WD and Integrale 8V) use a 56/44 distribution favoring the front wheels. This undelrines the car's front wheel drive heritage. The next series (Integrale 16V and evoluzione) use a 47/53 distribution favoring the rear wheels. The new torque distribution in 16V and evoluzione models was barely noticeable in every day driving conditions.

The Integrale's short wheelbase, as compared to an Audi Coupé Quattro or other similarly architectured cars, made it extremely versatile but also a bit nervous when above 180Km/h. Although some of the typical 4WD turbo charged car characteristics were still present (heavy understeer when entering corners followed by extreme oversteer when leaving the corner) the car had a huge potential, somewhat moderated by its soft, deformation prone chassis. Racing cars were prepared by Abarth (Fiat's usual competition partner) who managed to produce rally cars that were light, reliable and powerful enough not to fear any opposition.

The street and competition versions of all the Delta Integrale series suffered a common weakness. The suspension travel was very limited and the cars behaved nervously on tarmac and not very efficiently on gravel. Unfortunately Lancia has never been able to fix this, mainly because the Integrale was based on an everyday car (the normal Delta) and FIA regulations prohibit radical suspension layout modifications. The Integrale's suspension layout is a heritage of the rest of the Lancia Delta line. The front suspension is composed of a classic McPherson strut and lower wishbones. The rear suspension, pictured below, was not as sophisticated as on some more recent cars, is a very cleverly designed McPherson layout with double parallel transversal lower arms and a longitudinal track control arm.

Although the general suspension layout did not change over the years and different Integrale models it did evolve with wider and stronger lower wishbones and longer rear control arms in the Evoluzione models. On all Integrale models Lancia managed to keep the unsprung weight to very low levels and this fact greatly contributes to the car's exceptional handling abilities.

Most of all, the Delta Integrale arguably has the best steering feedback of any car ever produced. The car's steering wheel is so communicative of what's going on and what the car intends to do, so perfectly weighted and quick that almost anyone with a minimum experience is able to drive it at an extremely fast pace.

The street version of the Integrale has the typical road behavior of most 4 wheel drive supercharged cars. It understeers heavily when entering corners and oversteers when exiting. This behavior is, partly, due to the turbo lag phenomenon. When entering corners you normally have finished braking and the turbo is running in low revs. You have to accelerate heavily inside the corner while the car understeers and wait for the turbo to come in a more favorable rotational speed. When this happens a huge amount of torque hits the wheels, the front wheels cannot handle it, the center differential locks and sends torque to the rear wheels. This causes heavy oversteering when exiting a corner.
One has to get used to this "strange" and brutal road behavior. You must be especially brave not to fear the understeering phase of corner handling. When entering corners you really get the impression the car is heading straight out. Its at about halfway through the corner, provided your right foot is squeezing the gas pedal against the floor, that the turbo starts doing its thing. Then you are catapulted out of the curve at an unbelievable speed.


The competition versions were equipped with bang-bang (A.L.S.) systems that dramatically reduce the turbo lag time and hence are able to render the car's cornering abilities closer to those of, other, non-turbocharged cars. There have even been attempts of mounting such systems in street versions. Toyota had a system called Fresh Air Intake System mounted in the street version of the Celica GT4 but the system was deactivated in commercial vehicles due to excessive exhaust tube damages.

Once used to the road behavior of the Integrale, or any other 4WD turbocharged car for that matter, you realize there is no other type of vehicle that can corner faster. Especially impressive is the speed at which these cars are able to extract themselves from a corner. Unfortunately this type of vehicle is an endangered species heading straight to extinction for ecological and other obscure marketing reasons. If you've never driven a car using this architecture, and you are a car enthusiast, it is strongly recommended that you try one. One cannot really put into words the excitement and feeling of invulnerability these cars provide.

Speaking of invulnerability there is a catch however. The fact that these turbocharged cars are full time four wheel drive prohibits any action of the brake pedal, or even a sudden lift-off while in a corner. If , by misjudgment, one enters a corner too fast and decides to brake or even stop pushing the gas pedal then bad things are likely to happen. These actions almost always end in head to tail figures and damages. What happens when you brake a 4WD in a corner is that, since the front and rear axles are linked by differentials, engine torque transfers are operated at the first sign of wheel lock or spin. Depending on many parameters, such as suddenness or degree, this torque transfer can be difficult to manage. Rally drivers use this phenomenon to reduce the amount of understeering and thus ease cornering. An every day driver, even a very competent one, will have much more trouble dealing with the situation.

All versions of the Lancia Integrale, including the Delta 4WD, are equipped with a dynamic brake force proportioning device to counter the above mentioned behavior and avoid head to tail figures. The cars are fitted with a brake proportioning valve which is operated in real time and has the effect of adjusting the rear brake force bias depending on the angular position of the rear suspension's trailing arms. The valve reduces the rear brake bias if the rear suspension arms present a negative angle (i.e. the car is braked hard enough to have the front suspension dive and the rear suspension rise) and amplifies it if the rear trailing arms angle is positive. The system is very efficient in the straight and avoids difficult to control figures in most braking situations. It is not very efficient inside corners, since in corners suspension angles vary rapidly and in opposite directions, and the driver must take care not to apply too much braking in those situations. The Integrale's brake propositioning system was, of course, not mounted in the competition cars.

To put it in short the Lancia Integrale is a very dynamic and well behaved car in all but the most extreme driving conditions. It cannot compare, of course, with cars much younger such as the Subaru Impreza Turbo or the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution which are much more posed and stable to limits well beyond those of the Lancia but keep in mind the the Delta was conceived at least a decade earlier. Additionally its Italian breed and charm make it a companion of choice for the car loving enthusiast.

Oh.....what a surprise!! Who said Alfa is without reliability??!! :bash: :bash:


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Whow! I wasn`t expecting for this! It`s the result of years working hard on getting a much better quality and recovering the brand image! Good work! Alfa Romeo is now one of the most fantastic car brands of our days!
The new 159 is another big step! :eek2:
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And the amazing new Brera too!
http://www.omniauto.it/files/105-3-3910.jpg

The production version is quite amazing! I would like to have a red Lancia Delta Integrale!

http://www.shannons.com.au/shannons/shannons.nsf/images/D1CA0521EE473C1ACA256FB1004EA8D0/$file/A20.jpg
http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/lancia/lancia_delta_integrale_1993_01_s.jpg
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In the second pic it's amazing!!! No one would say it is a car of 1987!

Germany
Japan
Italy

Germany and Italy!

Italy, put me in the fast lane any day

well... i don't know but in design i prefer peugeot...

well it seems forgotten here!

KAMAZ
No roads, No problems

http://www.kamaz.net/photos/rally2004/414-3.jpg
http://www.kamaz.net/photos/auto/6350.jpg
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Italy!!Alfa Romao is the best!!

Lamborghini Gallardo PS
http://www.automobilismo.it/edisport/automobilismo/gallery.nsf/HFoto/LamborghiniGallardoPoliziaFoto01FotoGrande/$File/01.jpg

Spain, but it's not in the list!!
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Spain doesn't make cars any more. SEAT is owned by VW.

Cars are not the way forward.

I like French cars but I love my new SEAT Ibiza. I know underneath it is really a VW Polo but it looks much nicer than that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/Neromasc/DSCN0305.jpg

I don`t like much the new Ibiza...I like the new Leon and i hate the new toledo!!

Germany and France,Italy and Sweden.
By the way,UK hasn't its own automakers.They have been bought.Ha ha ha.

What about TVR, Lotus, Noble, Caterham. Morgan and Bentley. there still British Owned arent they.

What about TVR, Lotus, Noble, Caterham. Morgan and Bentley. there still British Owned arent they.

TVR is owned by some Russian, Lotus is owned by Proton who are Malaysian. Noble, Caterham and Morgan are still British. Bentley however are owned by VW.

Future Fiat multi-jet engines!

1.3multijet16v 70cv
1.3multijet16v 90cv
1.3multijet16v Twinturbo 120cv
1.9multijet 120cv
1.9multijet16v 150cv
1.9multijet16v Twinturbo 200cv (Alfa 148 2006)
2.4multijet20v 200cv
3.0V6multijet24v 250cv VM Motori-Fiat
3.0V6multijet24v Twinturbo 300cv VM Motori-Fiat
4.0V8multijet32v Twinturbo 380cv VM Motori-Fiat-Maserati

Here is missing the expected 1.6M-jet and the 1.9JTD 167cv!

Italia is also in the front-line of inovation! Not to mention the aesthetic!

bently own by VW and rollsroyce own by BMW

http://media.automotive.com/evox/stilllib/bmw/6%20series/2005/2co/51.jpg http://media.automotive.com/evox/stilllib/bmw/6%20series/2005/2co/47.jpg
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here is my favoriter cars BMW.

http://www.bmwm5.com/photo/data/520/1990Beast-on-Water4.jpg

http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/new_bmw/images/photos/7/7LI/exterior/7_enlarged.jpg
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http://www.porsche.com.tr/porsche/boxster/boxsters/bilder/highl/bos_highl_intro.jpg

European cars are the best. Japanese cars have bad designs, American cars are very poor in quality, and South Korean cars are even worse.

http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/new_bmw/images/photos/7/7LI/interior/1_enlarged.jpg

it looks like my washing machine!!! :yes:

The biggest problem with American cars -- GM cars in particular -- is the fact that if you don't buy their most feature-packed high-end model, they're determined to remind you of that fact and punish you for your heresy every single day that you own that car. Things like not having cup holders, or intentionally making the seats just a little bit uncomfortable, or putting vinyl EXACTLY where it's going to be noticed and irritate your leg.


Contrast that with most Japanese car makers, and Korean car makers like Hyundai. THEIR philosophy is to try and make you love the car, so that when it's time to buy your NEXT car, you'll remember how much you liked it and buy one of their more expensive models. I'm not ashamed to admit that I've owned two Hyundai Tiburons, both of which basically came in two models: stripped, and fully-loaded. Both of mine were loaded, of course... but looking at the stripped ones, you can tell that the stuff Hyundai left out was the stuff that genuinely drove up the cost... even their stripped models had cloth-top seats, cup holders, etc.

European cars are the best. Japanese cars have bad designs, American cars are very poor in quality, and South Korean cars are even worse.

European designs are superior to Japanese in terms of the exterior, but their interior are no way superior to Japanese. Look at the interior design of Japanese.

http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos_popup/main_assets/interior/L43-213_lg.jpg
Lexus LS

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Lexus GS

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