the section has been really quiet lately? ;-(
http://markyolton.com/HHHA_pics/HHHA%20NM%20desert%20and%20sky.jpg

thats because nothing exciting and tall is happening in Sydney, apart from BT. Go to a Melbourne thread instead.... ;)

NSW is starting to bore me. Blame the developers and Bob Carr

wheres fabian? lol

Melbourne has it all
i hate to say it but after seeing cities of the world
Melbourne suits places I see more and more than Sydney
not saying its a model city just it growth, lay out and development seem like other places I have seen.
It’s gotten to stage where I can’t even comprehend all the project there so heading down a weekend this month.

The best thing Sydney can do is to integrate satellite cities into a composite network.

This means improving infrastructure such as rail, road and other forms.

I recken a high speed train between Parramatta and Central.

This is better than just skyscrapers randomly plotted in city

always with the high speed trains

maybe out of jelousy or maybe with an objective view

I still think it should be on the blue-print.

hey i think you got this thread wrong guys?
it wasnt about whats uc in Sydney or Melb, but the threads being updated by fellow members by taking photos of current projects!
its been quiet
just on melbournes boom. they are just at begginging of it which started last year. Sydney's started in 1999 and has been going now for 5 years!
just look at what has been completed since 2000!!!

CITIGROUP TOWER
WORLD TOWER
LATITUDE
AURORA PLACE
COVE
ANGEL PLACE
RIALTO
CIVIC TOWER

not a bad little cluster of projects!!?? hey

hey i think you got this thread wrong guys?
it wasnt about whats uc in Sydney or Melb, but the threads being updated by fellow members by taking photos of current projects!
its been quiet
No thats normal for Sydney forummers - they are more apathetic about development and take less notice of what is going on.

I mean a 20 story building in Melbourne Adelaide, Perth - or even Brisbane would be big news but in Sydney it means nothing and is not of great interest to people. It used to be a similar situation in Brisbane with buildings going up everywhere and nobody interested or taking photos. At least with a few new talls and media attention regarding skyscraoers it has bought people out of the closet.

Sydney needs a few more big tallies to get people motivated again.

jt

yeah, i understand.
what height do you mean "tallies"
atm we have going up>
BT TOWER-242M
MERITON TOWER-169M
KENS-166M
LUMIERE-151M
ASPECT-150M
thats6x 500footers ! not too bad.
but to roof-
BT TOWER-160M
MERITON TOWER-151M
LUMIERE-151M
KENS-140M
ASPECT-130M

You want to talk about "quiet"?! Check out the Canberra/Darwin forum!!

yeah, i understand.
what height do you mean "tallies"
atm we have going up>
BT TOWER-242M
MERITON TOWER-169M
KENS-166M
LUMIERE-151M
ASPECT-150M
thats6x 500footers ! not too bad.
but to roof-
BT TOWER-160M
MERITON TOWER-151M
LUMIERE-151M
KENS-140M
ASPECT-130M

Anything that will make a huge impact on the skyline - its different for every city I mean people in Townsville and Adelaide are getting excited over stuff thats 50m while a 169m tower in Sydney will have little impact on an aready very mature skyline.

jt

Big Impact
Tall, say 180m+
Great Design
Breaks your neck when ya look at it
Unique

I want to see more tallies in the satellite cities.

No thats normal for Sydney forummers - they are more apathetic about development and take less notice of what is going on.

I mean a 20 story building in Melbourne Adelaide, Perth - or even Brisbane would be big news but in Sydney it means nothing and is not of great interest to people. It used to be a similar situation in Brisbane with buildings going up everywhere and nobody interested or taking photos. At least with a few new talls and media attention regarding skyscraoers it has bought people out of the closet.

Sydney needs a few more big tallies to get people motivated again.

jt

Well put JayT, very true.

I want to see more tallies in the satellite cities.Parramatta seems the go in that department. Also Hurstville is looking promising. Chatswood and St Leonards are certainly getting denser as we speak (not taller)...

...but yeah, Parra's the go.

Here's what I think the density growth should be

x3 = City
x2 = Parramatta
x3 = North Shore (Lower)
x2 = Maquarie Park


x1 = Rest of Sydney

The 188m towers of John Boyd & 33 Bligh st will actually not change the skyline at all. The JB tower will be hidden by Citigroup and 33 Bligh is built in highets part of CBD, so hardly noticable.
For Sydney, for a tower to alter the skyline it needs to be built away from CBD or atleast 235m high.

So the best way to make skyscrapers noticeable is to go Southwards?

From Central Station running down to Mascot.

This may be a relevant question, and I apologise if its answered elsewhere by I want to make the point regardless.

Why is the definition of a Building's completion when the last tower crane comes down?

Latitude has been in the completed section for a few weeks now, yet there is plently of things still going on with the site - be the poidum, fixtures, lightbox/logo and that's plently of things to discuss in a thread that should still be active.

When there's no updates, no one comes to the forum, often I now see 5 or 6 users viewing the Victorian forum, but 1 or 2 for the NSW forum.

Culwulla said once that it takes too long to completely finish the skyscraper internally. I think World Tower is still renovating the apartments?

Yeah, once the crane comes down, it be known as 'complete'

Here's what I think the density growth should be

x3 = City
x2 = Parramatta
x3 = North Shore (Lower)
x2 = Maquarie Park


x1 = Rest of Sydney:?

Parramatta will definitely have the most noticeable change in height with the oncoming Civic Place towers.

Chatswood will get the apartment towers on the new Chatswood Station Interchange, but nothing high enough yet to change it radically.

After BeauMonde, North Sydney is to get Tenix and 100 Pacific Hwy, both mid-risers (for that skyline).

St Leonards keeps building 10-12 storey apartment blocks. Nothing anywhere near the height of Forum I.

Hurstville, hrmmm. Seems to be to-ing and fro-ing with 20-30 storey apartment buildings - all in the planning/DA stages.

This may be a relevant question, and I apologise if its answered elsewhere by I want to make the point regardless.

Why is the definition of a Building's completion when the last tower crane comes down?

Latitude has been in the completed section for a few weeks now, yet there is plently of things still going on with the site - be the poidum, fixtures, lightbox/logo and that's plently of things to discuss in a thread that should still be active.

When there's no updates, no one comes to the forum, often I now see 5 or 6 users viewing the Victorian forum, but 1 or 2 for the NSW forum.
yes i understand Latitudes podium has some sections to complete. but when tower is done and crane removed its complete.
dont worry NSW members will flock back with big news today about John Boyd tower commencing within a few months.its hush hush atm . a big construction firm is going to run with it!!! keep it quiet.lol
:runaway:

Oh really? I better read the thread.

yes i understand Latitudes podium has some sections to complete. but when tower is done and crane removed its complete.
dont worry NSW members will flock back with big news today about John Boyd tower commencing within a few months.its hush hush atm . a big construction firm is going to run with it!!! keep it quiet.lol
:runaway:

There needs to be more stuff built south of Angel place I reckon and NOTHING north for a while, like 10 years. There is no point building anything shorter than 130m south of World tower either because it sits at the bottom of the hill and would never get noticed. Loads of space between Angel pl and WT.

There needs to be more stuff built south of Angel place I reckon and NOTHING north for a while, like 10 years. There is no point building anything shorter than 130m south of World tower either because it sits at the bottom of the hill and would never get noticed. Loads of space between Angel pl and WT.

i agree...we need to builf big buildings between citigroup and WT, that would make an impact

well the 50storey/188m John Boyd tower is located between WT & Citigroup and will change skyline. its going to happen sooner rather then later.!!

well i have about 10 photos of Latitude that i took from angles i never see in the forum that i will post tomorrow !

i agree...we need to builf big buildings between citigroup and WT, that would make an impact
yep that to its a great area and is the city center ! nothign under 180s should be allowed

The north is looking sweeter with the new bligh, and hopefully with cityone, the now extinct 4 storey club soon to be 40 building and of course big but kens. Honeslty though unless they start knocking down 160m building if they want any suitable base for anything that could even be spotted.

Yeah with JB things will start beefing up in the only palce in the cbd (ex china town) that is well kinda not as dense.. Should be perfect way to start off the next cycle and hopefully inspire more to take part in ze beefing, YA!

LOL @ "ze beefing".

The only one u/c that is going to make any difference to the skyline is 126 Phillip - just waiting for the goal posts to blaze on the horizon. They are really, really going to be significant.

KENS will be good and will really only be obvious from the west, north-west and driving across the Western Distributor (IMO the best posi). With a new canyon of scrapers forming down George, what little hope is left from the south? :laugh:

33 Bligh and JB have to happen!! They just gotta! 2 nice buildings with significant heights.

33 Bligh will be most obvious from the Quay and JB will have some tough neighbours in Citigroup and The Hilton.

No thats normal for Sydney forummers - they are more apathetic about development and take less notice of what is going on.

I mean a 20 story building in Melbourne Adelaide, Perth - or even Brisbane would be big news but in Sydney it means nothing and is not of great interest to people. It used to be a similar situation in Brisbane with buildings going up everywhere and nobody interested or taking photos. At least with a few new talls and media attention regarding skyscraoers it has bought people out of the closet.

Sydney needs a few more big tallies to get people motivated again.

jt

You are spot on! I used to be into skyscrapers alot...... and sure, its nice to see some good 150m-200m towers pop up, but so what! They just get lost in a city that is already full of them.

The height limit and Clover More is making me get utterly bored of skyscrapers in sydney! I mean look at Governor Phillip Tower! Its 22?m tall, but so what? Half the other buildings in the city almost touch its height!

I am a typical person who needs something better each week! The Simpsons started with episodes where going into the nuclear power plant was "THE BIGGEST THING EVER", but next week the consumers wanted more so in the next episode they did something bigger. Just look at Mr Burns: he used to be evil and hated, now he is just bland and typical. Its the same with movies these days, things just have to be BIGGER and BETTER.... but human imagination has reached its peak and movies are booring as anything!

Its the same with Sydney. WOOHOO! (i say that sarcastically) another 180m tower.....gee, we will really notice that! :bash:

The sydney forum used to be busy years ago when WT, Citygroup and other tallies were pushing the 235m limit. Only a scraper over 220m would intrest me anymore!

...and even then, a limit tower of 235m would be exciting, but meanwhile cities like Brisbane, Melbourne and Gold Coast are pushing the 300m mark.

Its like a maturing child: Sydney has stoped moving and it aint fun anymore

What's with the moan-a-thon?

World Tower only topped out a earlier this year, not light-years ago. I still & will continue to get a kick out of it when I see it. Not like fast generation, change-the-channel-already, I'm bored, "so yesterday" kind of thing. It's here to stay.

Think you have to be interested in architecture, not just the fantasy of "big buiwwwdings" alone (children-like "Ouwh, ah...soooo big").

It's great when 180-190m towers are just around the corner. They help form canyons and ze beef up the skyline.

...and we're getting 169m Meriton, 151m lumiere and Aspect is just about to happen. Cool!

What's with the moan-a-thon?

World Tower only topped out a earlier this year, not light-years ago. I still & will continue to get a kick out of it when I see it. Not like fast generation, change-the-channel-already, I'm bored, "so yesterday" kind of thing. It's here to stay.

Think you have to be interested in architecture, not just the fantasy of "big buiwwwdings" alone (children-like "Ouwh, ah...soooo big").

It's great when 180-190m towers are just around the corner. They help form canyons and ze beef up the skyline.

...and we're getting 169m Meriton, 151m lumiere and Aspect is just about to happen. Cool!

Exactly. The design at the end of the day is the thing that keeps me interested (hoping for Art Deco to come back into fashion *fingers crossed*) Furthermore I would MUCH rather (as i have always said) to have the average height of buildings taller than a few very tall buildings that stick out. You need the 150-200m to provide the undergrowth and lets face it canyons ROCK, much more than a tall poppy. Of course end of the day a few tallies wouldnt hurt but 200m+ is still tall and we have in the mix a couple (esp bligh not including all the ones already built recently). Anyways like i said i would prefer to have a consistent skyline..

Perhaps we should re-think things and get excited about "added density".

Imagine that new 100m tower and how its gonna make that street a complete canyon!!! Can you feel the claustraphobic intencity of that new "smallish" tower going up.

You can get excited if you try:D
jt

I think Sydney is a heaven for drying clothes.

George St and Pitt St is a big and long windpipe.

^^ Don't laugh. People do use it as a clothes dryer. *Imagines Meriton's Miramar*Perhaps we should re-think things and get excited about "added density".

Imagine that new 100m tower and how its gonna make that street a complete canyon!!! Can you feel the claustraphobic intencity of that new "smallish" tower going up.

You can get excited if you try:D
jtNow that's surreal. Not sure what you mean but I hear ya!! lol

Exactly. The design at the end of the day is the thing that keeps me interested (hoping for Art Deco to come back into fashion *fingers crossed*) Furthermore I would MUCH rather (as i have always said) to have the average height of buildings taller than a few very tall buildings that stick out. You need the 150-200m to provide the undergrowth and lets face it canyons ROCK, much more than a tall poppy. Of course end of the day a few tallies wouldnt hurt but 200m+ is still tall and we have in the mix a couple (esp bligh not including all the ones already built recently). Anyways like i said i would prefer to have a consistent skyline..

My thoughts exactly! I will always get excited about any decent-sized building proposal because they all add to the mish-mash of buildings that is SYDNEY! Wouldn't care much for a 300m building in Sydney at all, as it would only ruin the skyline. It's too late to go tall.

Boydie and Bligh will have a noticeable impact on the skyline, as will Meriton, Lumiere, Frasier, Aspect. It's all good!

I think once the cores on these start popping out of the ground we'll get busier again. These projects have been a long time coming and we all just want to see them coming along now.

My thoughts exactly! I will always get excited about any decent-sized building proposal because they all add to the mish-mash of buildings that is SYDNEY! Wouldn't care much for a 300m building in Sydney at all, as it would only ruin the skyline. It's too late to go tall.

Boydie and Bligh will have a noticeable impact on the skyline, as will Meriton, Lumiere, Frasier, Aspect. It's all good!

I think once the cores on these start popping out of the ground we'll get busier again. These projects have been a long time coming and we all just want to see them coming along now.

I dont think that Bligh will have an impact. Boyd will have a great impact, but only on the east. If CityOne got approved, then that would be amazing!

bligh will have some impact. the top RL at roof is 200m! and its spire will be 229m above sea level,! so this should impact even if at night with neons.
the amazing "speaker box" atop John Boyd will also look awesome at night. It will reach 208m above sea level, so thats 6m higher than Latitude blade.!

What stage is Bligh at in the process. I noticed it's still white on the model table.

It's realy noticeable on the skyline @ the model table too. Huge spire.

^^ Guess white is white.

Over the past month or 2, I have noticed that the Vic section always has more viewing than the NSW section. Not sometimes, but always. Check it out

It will always be 2 or 3-fold with the numbers but this morning took the cake. When I signed on, there were 17 people viewing the Vic forum and not even 1 person in the NSW section.

At the time of this post, 10 in the Vic, 2 in the NSW. :no:

muse. 33 Bligh st is currently a DA pending approval. it will go to council before xmas and once approved it will be in the hands of its devloper!
hopefully something will happen next year!!
-i told you about the tumbleweeds........................................

NSW forumers>http://www.lakesideschool.org/people/homepages/ballard/Delany01/Tumbleweeds.jpg

^^ Guess white is white.

Over the past month or 2, I have noticed that the Vic section always has more viewing than the NSW section. Not sometimes, but always. Check it out

It will always be 2 or 3-fold with the numbers but this morning took the cake. When I signed on, there were 17 people viewing the Vic forum and not even 1 person in the NSW section.

At the time of this post, 10 in the Vic, 2 in the NSW. :no:

Two Reasons:
- Clover More
- 235m Height Limit

i dont think height limit has anything to do it? its not like Australia has heaps of 235m+ tall bldgs going up!
melbourne has 1. Eureka
GC has 1. Q1
thats it!
Melbournes next tallest UC is 205m (FWP) and the rest are 150-160m tall.
So in reality, if Melb wasnt getting E & FWP it would be getting a cluster of 500ft bldgs!
Same for GC. Q1 and circle on cav. rest are 90-150m tall.

Brisbane-2 x 200m scrapers. nowhere near 235m, might get Vision in a few years.? the rest, you guest it-90m-150m.!
Perth-o
Adelaide-0

So as you can see not many 235m scrapers going atm in Oz . none really on horizon either.
I think its just Sydney has had its biggest part of its boom earlier then other states.its started back in 2000.
man we have just got our tallest (WT-230m) and countless others-latitude,Cove,masonic ect ect.
we still have the tremendous KENS and 126 phillip st projects and meriton/Lumiere and others.
I think living in Australia our talls come far and few inbtween. I think anything near the 150m mark is worth getting excited over!anything taller is a bonus.

wow, just saw the header said "14 people viewing" NSW threads while 8 viewing VIc.
but when i saw bottom of page to see who culprits were it said me and 13 guests!lol
atleast its being viewed.

:runaway:

I want to see more tallies in the satellite cities.


Parramatta seems the go in that department. Also Hurstville is looking promising. Chatswood and St Leonards are certainly getting denser as we speak (not taller)...

...but yeah, Parra's the go.

Blacktown, Liverpool & Fairfield also look fairly promising. Scrapers as tall as 30 stories could be built in these centres except in Fairfield.

yeah when??????? lots of talk, no action.

so, is it tumbleweed time again or just the quiet before the storm? :)

There's always something happening in the NSW forums.

it seems to have slown down a bit recently, but i've noticed it on ssc in general. there is a lot planned but it will soon slow right down with lumiere finishing up and mosiac getting there. that leaves aspect then what? i suppose there will eventually be westfield and mid city centre but they could be a while off. that's why i've been digging stuff up from the boonies so we've got stuff to read about!

So how tall is this 'tumbleweed' dev going to be? Can we see any renders??

Culwulla do something!

Boredom will kill us all.

Bribe the developers or bend the regulations.

it seems to have slown down a bit recently, but i've noticed it on ssc in general. there is a lot planned but it will soon slow right down with lumiere finishing up and mosiac getting there. that leaves aspect then what? i suppose there will eventually be westfield and mid city centre but they could be a while off. that's why i've been digging stuff up from the boonies so we've got stuff to read about!

It should start to take off from later in the year when the Mid City Centre redevelopment commences and Westfield should start up next year directly opposite.

yeah, sydney is probably at its lowest point of skyscraper construction in many years BUT there is light at end of tunnel.As fab said, not only Mid city and westfields, but also the amazing ingenhoven german tower 1-9 bligh st, Mirvacs Chifley sq tower.and not to forget the massive EDH and CUB sites!!! so much happening over next 10 years.

^ true for all that, but i think we've got at least 12 months of quiet times. so hopefully it's the calm before the storm.

12 months of quiet time and then 12 years of construction boom! sounds good to me.

i'm the only member in the nsw forums right now. it's been that way a bit today. so lonely. :(

ssshhhhh, it's so quiet.

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Tumbleweed going for a spin

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Tumbleweed eating humans!

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Tumbleweed sightseeing

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Tumbleweed hitch-hiking

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Tumbleweed chasing a car

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Tumbleweeds go for a swim

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Tumbleweeds line up at a fence

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Mormon Tumbleweed

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Tumbleweed hanging out

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Tumbleweed roadkill

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Giant Tumbleweed

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Magic Tumbleweed

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Tumbleweed Christmas Tree

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Nice Tumbleweed!

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Tumbleweed for a large part of the SSC demographic

Some of our regulars have gone offline as of late. I'm keeping things in check :)