I know 100 people who will say that T.O. is boring.
So, what is your opinion my friends?

have they been to toronto, or do they just think that???

have they been to toronto, or do they just think that???

They are all live here. And eather I do. :)

Stop spamming the boards...grow up or face a short life here.

And of course it isn't "boring". Look up the meaning of boring...then look up the opposite of boring...tell me which one describes Toronto.






KGB

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I live in Pickering, Pickering is boring: Toronto is the exact opposite of boring. (not boring ;))

T.O. boring...kiddin' man...then go back to KHIEV.....

Boring, is a matter of perspective and effort. If all you do is stare at the wall in your room even in the most un-boring city in the world, then it'll still be boring.

TO is not boring for me. But then again, I'm only back for weeks at a time. A lot of NYorkers would think TO is boring just how TOers think smaller centers are boring. I could think Norwood Ontario is boring, but the farmers their may think that shovelling cow manure all day is a fantastic.

Next thread like this elykhovoy and the vodkas on you! Kapeesh??

Yes for Canadians no, of coarse no. Biggest city, so many neighbourhoods, so many clubs. :nuts:
It is a safe city, lots of animals live here (squirells, racoons..) :)
But have you ever been to Buenos Aires, Madrid, Moscow, Amsterdam?
You are so proud of your city, that's good, no questions.
But have you ever seen something not boring?

^ Are you trying to on purpose speak in riddles are is your english just bad?

^ Are you trying to on purpose speak in riddles are is your english just bad?

You are not friendly :bash:

Have no any vodka for you :cheers:

Have no any vodka for you :cheers:
Thank god, I'm a light weight when it comes to drinking hard liquor.

You are not friendly :bash:

Have no any vodka for you :cheers:

I believe he's just confused, as am I. I mean we're not sure what you're asking. I've been to all those cities except for Amsterdam, and I don't see the point you're making.

this thread is, in fact, boring.

LOCK IT BABY, YEAH!

http://www.cantrip.org/images/stupid01.gif

are all 100 people Jaybird and his various aliases/personalities ?

After all there is a proverb:"Boredom is the privilege of those who are
stupid", or, as Robert V. Harms says:"Boredom is a favorite pastime of nonthinkers"
http://www.poemsandproverbs.com/proverbs/proverb22.html

!!! !!! !!! ENEAGRAM

:) Ha-ha! My boredome is gone!
Thank you guys from Hamilton, Pickering an Waterloo!
You realy know a lot about Toronto!

I am sitting on my suitcase. I'm going to Argentina!
I don't wanna leave this wonderfull autumn, but vacation is vacation :)
I'll realy miss you warm Canadians. realy :wave:

You want boring?

Walcome to beautiful Thunder Bay Ontario! Boring by Nature! :lol:

You want boring?

Walcome to beautiful Thunder Bay Ontario! Boring by Nature! :lol:

Completely agree! I'm already on the way to Buenos Aires! Thank you for invintation and sorry.....

Some of you guys are really rude, leave the poor guy alone. He just wanted your opinion, and he asked nicely.

If he thinks Toronto is boring, there is no need to attack him. So much for free speech :|

Although I wouldn't say Toronto is necessarily boring, I think that most people from Europe would agree it's not as exciting as Europe. European daily life is completely different, so that might be the case.

Hye, its not a Rio, but it's ok

Some of you guys are really rude, leave the poor guy alone. He just wanted your opinion, and he asked nicely.

If he thinks Toronto is boring, there is no need to attack him. So much for free speech :|

Although I wouldn't say Toronto is necessarily boring, I think that most people from Europe would agree it's not as exciting as Europe. European daily life is completely different, so that might be the case.

It's free speech that loows them to say those things. It's also free speech that makes the KKK valid, and it's free speech that makes out countries what they are today. It's got good sides and bad sides :P most are good though, I assure you!

are all 100 people Jaybird and his various aliases/personalities ?

The answer to that question would be NO. But that would be funny if that was the case.

Toronto in reality, is NOT boring, but some people are either ignorant or don't know the city well enough to get the impression it's boring, or they have ALREADY been to all of Toronto's attractions or activities, and that pretty much goes for ANY CITY. Being the capital of Ontario, and a city of over 2.5 million people, there is BOUND to be something for everyone to do there. People tell me there are countless restaurants, theatres, attractions, diversity of areas in the city, sights, buildings, and that is just to name a few. Toronto can't possibly be boring at all, in fact, I may be eager to sometime come down some time in the near future and do a couple of things for a day to find something I like in TO, like my counsellor has advised me to do. YES, I will do it even if someone tries to mug me and beat me up in Toronto, because I deserve it. In a city of Toronto's size, you will NEVER get bored of it. It's so huge!

Boring is entirely a matter of perspective. If you've lived in Amsterdam or any of the cities mentioned for your whole life, then they won't seem that exciting. If I was visiting Buenos Aires, I might think it's very exciting, simply because Im a visitor and there for a good time. After living there for a few years, my opinion might change though.

Also, anywhere on the planet can be boring. I could go to Paris for 2 weeks but if I spend the entire time in a basement doing nothing it would be very boring.

Is Toronto boring? No. There is just so much to do...if you really get bored it's probably by choice. To be honest I don't know how anyone could be bored in a city of this size...I've had fun even in smaller towns. But Im not the type to really sit around and complain Im bored...I actually try to do stuff. And there is stuff to do practically anywhere you visit.

He is right! Boring is the city lifestyle. There is no any atmosphere here.
I came from Prague 2 years ago, and I know what he is talking about. Our hero is from Kiev as I understood. I've been there 3 times, absolutely beautyful city.
I am feeling like him, like an idiot. Sorry guys, but Toronto is boring for all Europeans.

Toronto has many different cultures. iot would be boring for a European if they went to a part of the city that wasn't interesting for them. Go a few blocks down, and it's like your in a different place. Different people, diferent culture, same city. There is lots to do in Toronto, and anyone who says there isn't is just jealous :D

He is right! Boring is the city lifestyle. There is no any atmosphere here.
I came from Prague 2 years ago, and I know what he is talking about. Our hero is from Kiev as I understood. I've been there 3 times, absolutely beautyful city.
I am feeling like him, like an idiot. Sorry guys, but Toronto is boring for all Europeans.

Understandable. European cities > Canadian cities

The best parts of Toronto are most European parts. :)

iMariah,

Yeah, well, the guy can think whatever he wants, but this is a MESSAGE BOARD. He can think his thoughts and we can respond in kind.

Some more free speech for ya.

iMariah,

Yeah, well, the guy can think whatever he wants, but this is a MESSAGE BOARD. He can think his thoughts and we can respond in kind.

Some more free speech for ya.
They're debating eachother answers. If you compare Toronto to London UK, it;s boring. If you compare Toronto to Stockholm, it's not boring. It's all relative. Just like if you compare Thunder Bay to a dead stick, the stick seems like a pile of fun, while thunder Bay is just a swampy pile of nothingness!

He is right! Boring is the city lifestyle. There is no any atmosphere here.
I came from Prague 2 years ago, and I know what he is talking about. Our hero is from Kiev as I understood. I've been there 3 times, absolutely beautyful city.
I am feeling like him, like an idiot. Sorry guys, but Toronto is boring for all Europeans.

First post? Looks like someone might be registering multiple accounts and talking to themselves. Interesting how they have similar English skills...

I had visitors from France (Lyon) and England (London) in the summer and they both had amazing times. Toronto was anything but boring for them.

I know its relative. The trouble is that "boring" is a subjective term. For example, some people are bored because they themselves are boring. Should a city have to be an endless puppet show for those who can't stand to be by themselves? Maybe its the individual who can be too easily bored.

First post? Looks like someone might be registering multiple accounts and talking to themselves. Interesting how they have similar English skills...

I had visitors from France (Lyon) and England (London) in the summer and they both had amazing times. Toronto was anything but boring for them.

Sorry about my English skills, I am not a big forum-writer, but this subject is very close to me MMMMMMMMMaaaan!

Strictly speaking, Toronto would be one of the least boring cities in the world. In fact, I find NYC more boring than Toronto....NYC may have "more" of a few things, but at some point, considering the size of both cities, it really doesn't matter. What does matter is not just the quantity (which Toronto has plenty of everything)...it's the quality and diversity of "stuff". Boring would be monotonous or homogenious or monoculture.

Given Toronto's size, infastructure, and it's incredible diversity and cosmopolitan nature, it may very well be the least boring city in the world. Try taking in the immensley diversified happenings of Toronto in a city like Rio....not gonna happen.






KGB

If T.O.'s boring, then there are no Canadian cities that are not boring.

Thats actually not true, Vancouver we can go up skiing in 3 mountains if we want to in the Winter, but of course TO has more things to do persai than Vancouver, but Vancouver probably has more environmental stuff... but then again those arent the funnest.. is that a word? No.. oh well.. Snowboarding kicks ass though:)

Thats actually not true, Vancouver we can go up skiing in 3 mountains if we want to in the Winter, but of course TO has more things to do persai than Vancouver, but Vancouver probably has more environmental stuff... but then again those arent the funnest.. is that a word? No.. oh well.. Snowboarding kicks ass though:)

I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

Vancouver probably has more environmental stuff... but then again those arent the funnest

Depends what you like to do. I enjoy the outdoors (taking walks in forests... and stuff) ;)

Lots of fun :cheers:

is Thunder Bay that bad ?

our Quebec's Thunder Bay is Drummondville (http://www.ville.drummondville.qc.ca/).

loads of fun.

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^Especially when a lot (not all though) of European cities have a very homogenious population, vs. Toronto (Vancouver & Montreal). Millions of people liking the same things, may 'appear' more exciting then say the diverse multi-cultures, where in most instances, people are oblivious to what is available. There are obvious multicutltural cities in Europe say London, and Paris, but the 'avg' european city does have the same signficant multiculturalims on the same TO or VAN scale.

Vancouver


I was wondering how long this would take.

is Thunder Bay that bad ?

our Quebec's Thunder Bay is Drummondville (http://www.ville.drummondville.qc.ca/).

loads of fun.

No Thunder Bay's not that bad, there plenty of other small cities in Ontario that are a lot less happening than Thunder Bay.

No Thunder Bay's not that bad, there plenty of other small cities in Ontario that are a lot less happening than Thunder Bay.

Name one!

Sarnia, Cornwall, Chatham, Timmins, Belleville, Oshawa, Welland, Orillia, Barrie, Brockville, Pembroke, Owen Sound, Woodstock, St. Thomas, Trenton -- Thunder Bay kicks all of these cities asses on the "happening" scale.

It also kicks Brantford's ass as well. In fact, ANY small town or city could kick Brantford's ass.

I left Brantford off of the list because it has a pretty good local music scene going on. Thunder Bay has a better arts and culture scene though.

Sault Ste. Marie however -- is another city that could be added to the list.

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Toronto isn't that great, all they have basicly is CN Tower, and some
sports teams that rest of Canada doesn't have.

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Toronto boring, definately not.

It has a different atmosphere than say party towns like Rio and NO but Toronto is not less fun.

The problem alot of visitors seem to have is that they don't go down to the Entertainment District at night to check out clubs and so on. It is almost like the tourism department for the city doesn't make it clear enough that clubs are sort of concentrated down there by regulations.


Toronto isn't that great, all they have basicly is CN Tower, and some
sports teams that rest of Canada doesn't have.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I have to say that Toronto is much more of a complete city than that of any other Canadian city. Like I said above, people seem to miss alot of the hotspots in town, perhaps you did the same.

Toronto isn't that great, all they have basicly is CN Tower, and some
sports teams that rest of Canada doesn't have.

But what does other Canadian cities have? Mountains? Rainforests? Oceans? You have a pretty crappy definition of cities.

Montreal beats T.O, but that is to be expected. Man when I went their it was wild. Toronto though is not boring.

Montreal beats T.O, but that is to be expected. Man when I went their it was wild. Toronto though is not boring.

Man you don't want to be saying that. Let the thread die.

I second the above motion.

This could get rough if all the wrong people show up.

:lock:

why? Montreal is a fun city... can't deny that. The thing is, so is Toronto. Have you guys been to the clubs and bars downtown lately? The weekends are packed and the weekdays are getting busier. Chinatown is fun to go to afterwards for some late-night noodles... it's a blast. I've heard out-of-towners call Toronto a "party town" many a time (including Montrealers..... but shhhhh they wouldn't be caught dead saying it :cheers: :runaway: )

The thing I really like about Montreal is how the bars connect with the street. It creates a much more exciting atmosphere. In Toronto, the clubs are usually in large warehouse type buildings with no windows... very disconnected from the street. The bars in the gay village are similar in atmosphere to Montreal's bars... if you're straight and don't mind some dudes trying to get with you, those bars are something else. Definitely worth checking out! Lee's Palace in the Annex is another awesome bar.

toronto, is in fact, both a boring place and yet a large bustling metropolitan city, in many respects, Toronto focuses mainly on buisiness, and office buildings rather than a living area, and as such it doesn't really support much of a recreational side, there's not much to really do in toronto that would be considered recreational to such a point

you're either kidding around, simply trying to cause shit, or incredibly provincial. Seriously, isn't the whole Toronto vs. Montreal thing dead by now? Let it go friend :cheers:

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^No kidding.

I for one won't contribute to it here.

toronto, is in fact, both a boring place and yet a large bustling metropolitan city, in many respects, Toronto focuses mainly on buisiness, and office buildings rather than a living area, and as such it doesn't really support much of a recreational side, there's not much to really do in toronto that would be considered recreational to such a point

Stop trying to bait people into conflicts, this practice is making this forum a less enjoyable place to be.

Toronto can be boring if you don't know the city very well.

unlike Montreal where most of the bustling areas are downtown or next to it, the cool streets of TO don't seem to be all connected to each other. with a Torontonian in your pocket, the city is not boring at all.

^ That bascially sums it up.

Toronto has a large dedicated financial district, which like downtown Manhattan, clears out after the working hours. But Toronto does have a large entertainment destrict, as well as ethnic enclave hangouts - though I thought was quite obvious. Touring around at 3am in the morning on the weekend I thought this would be quite apparent. Montreal is more mixed together, which definately has its benefits. Though, I use to like having ample parking on King ST when I used to work in TO on the weekends, which if you tried the same thing in Montreal is a lot harded.

:no: One thing though that really sucks in Toronto is when last call is, 2:00am is when the real parties begin everywhere else on the planet.

The sad part is that the city has petitioned the province to change this but they always impose their will and say no.

:no: One thing though that really sucks in Toronto is when last call is, 2:00am is when the real parties begin everywhere else on the planet.

The sad part is that the city has petitioned the province to change this but they always impose their will and say no.

Very sad...Toronto would be a much different place if the province wasn't pulling the strings in regards to city laws. I don't think last call would exist were it not for the province.

Man you don't want to be saying that. Let the thread die.

whats wrong with comparing Montreal and Toronto's nightlife? What's to be insecure about?

I find Toronto's entertainment district scene to be pretentious.... a little too serious perhaps? Montreal seems more laid back. To sum it up in a little nutshell, the last club I was in in Montreal played the crappiest music... some ultra obscure 80's dance and even NKOTB... yet it was so damn fun to be dancing to that shit.... Hangin Tough! Everyone got into it.... now thats the kind of attitude I can get down to.

Besides, we all know Quebecers know how to have fun....

To be fair, for me Toronto is a place to work. I go to Montreal to get away from it.

I don't see why anyone has to get 'uppity' over any of this...

perhaps being in denial is part of the problem. "Toronto is boring"... it's a relative term. There's always room for improvement.... why settle?

whats wrong with comparing Montreal and Toronto's nightlife? What's to be insecure about?

I find Toronto's entertainment district scene to be pretentious.... a little too serious perhaps? Montreal seems more laid back. To sum it up in a little nutshell, the last club I was in in Montreal played the crappiest music... some ultra obscure 80's dance and even NKOTB... yet it was so damn fun to be dancing to that shit.... Hangin Tough! Everyone got into it.... now thats the kind of attitude I can get down to.

Besides, we all know Quebecers know how to have fun....

To be fair, for me Toronto is a place to work. I go to Montreal to get away from it.

I don't see why anyone has to get 'uppity' over any of this...

perhaps being in denial is part of the problem. "Toronto is boring"... it's a relative term. There's always room for improvement.... why settle?


The Club District in Toronto constitutes only a fraction of Toronto's nightlife...there are live bars, clubs and lounges all over the city.

I've had no trouble finding places to just have a flat out good time in Toronto.

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The Club District in Toronto constitutes only a fraction of Toronto's nightlife...there are live bars, clubs and lounges all over the city.

I've had no trouble finding places to just have a flat out good time in Toronto.


I TOTALLY agree here. When I was in Toronto I hardly ever went to the club district and still managed to find things to do on any night of the week. 2am didn't stop us either, there are places to go if you catch word of mouth.

I've met a lot of people who have just moved to Toronto and say there is nothing to do though... but I think Toronto is the type of city that you have to go out and search for the experience yourself and I think it really helps to know someone who hears about places to go. One night I spent telling a roomful of Koreans places to go OTHER than the Korean Restaurants around Christie Station.

So maybe, when our Ukranian friend comes back from Buenos Aires, he could tell the forum what he likes to do and someone can give him a suggestion as to where to find it.

People were talking about New York earlier as well, this is just a thought but would you say that Toronto has an advatage in that New York tends to be pretty expensive? I found that you can have that "exclusive" experience at a cheaper price here. A friend of mine ended up at a club with Paris Hilton (said she was really nice), I've been out and met Bjork at a party... I can't say for sure, but would that happen in New York? I imagine that celebs would be at "exclusive" clubs..... and of course this is only a good point if you like this type of thing. For those who like dive bars, I think you can find them equally representing in NY, Toronto, Kiev, Thunder Bay... anywhere. Okay, maybe not in Oakville.

"I would never find myself feeling bored, 'Cause we were never being boring".
--Being Boring by the Pet Shop Boys

This is so interesting.

Montreal is always fun...but then again, in what large city can't you have a good time if you are only there for a short while? But technically, Montreal constitutes "boring" to me, as it is far too homogenous....it's like South Beach...has a lively party vibe...but the same thing, day in... day out. This suits Montrealers, because that's what they like....and it suits visitors, because they don't have to do it...day in...day out.

I swear to god, Montreal hasn't changed since I started visiting there in the early 80's....maybe they don't play "Rock me Amadeus" quite as often, but it's still the same old disco town. LOL

I lived in the Entertainment District for a couple of years....I hate dance clubs, so I never bothered going to any of them....but it does have some good lounges....just don't go there on the weekends...go on a tuesday instead...at least you can get into places like The Fifth or Ultra.

And trust me...nothing can ruin the vibe more than having a B-list celb show up at a venue (unless it's the Matador...then it's interesting).




"As long as El Mo is in Toronto and not Montral, Toronto wins this match. Sorry, but it's true"


The El MO???? Sorry...the days of the Stones and Maggie is long gone....the legend is dead.







KGB

I swear to god, Montreal hasn't changed since I started visiting there in the early 80's....maybe they don't play "Rock me Amadeus" quite as often, but it's still the same old disco town. LOL

HAHA once again, you don't know what you're talking about. last places where you (didn't) hang out in Mtl please, Mr ?

whatever, a «club district» in TO ? never heard of that. is this an official neighborhood like the theatre's one or the fashion district or just an approximate area ? and where is it ?

what are the best afterhours in Toronto ?

and, is it me, or even if it's forbidden, we can smoke in the bars right ?

oh one other question. I know the D&B, jungle scene used to be much interesting in TO than Mtl. is it still pretty alive or is it sooo 1997 ?

^ Its the entertainment district, and yes it is an official district.

ok so the unofficial club district is part of the official entertainment district. tx for the info !!

I tried to google a map of the thematic districts of TO but I can only find some cencus or administration plans.

Boring? No

Overtated? Absolutley

HAHA once again, you don't know what you're talking about. last places where you (didn't) hang out in Mtl please, Mr ?

whatever, a «club district» in TO ? never heard of that. is this an official neighborhood like the theatre's one or the fashion district or just an approximate area ? and where is it ?

what are the best afterhours in Toronto ?

and, is it me, or even if it's forbidden, we can smoke in the bars right ?

oh one other question. I know the D&B, jungle scene used to be much interesting in TO than Mtl. is it still pretty alive or is it sooo 1997 ?


That's right, you can no longer smoke in bars or clubs in Toronto...and it's enhanced the nightlife scene greatly.

I TOTALLY agree here. When I was in Toronto I hardly ever went to the club district and still managed to find things to do on any night of the week. 2am didn't stop us either, there are places to go if you catch word of mouth.

I've met a lot of people who have just moved to Toronto and say there is nothing to do though... but I think Toronto is the type of city that you have to go out and search for the experience yourself and I think it really helps to know someone who hears about places to go. One night I spent telling a roomful of Koreans places to go OTHER than the Korean Restaurants around Christie Station.

So maybe, when our Ukranian friend comes back from Buenos Aires, he could tell the forum what he likes to do and someone can give him a suggestion as to where to find it.

People were talking about New York earlier as well, this is just a thought but would you say that Toronto has an advatage in that New York tends to be pretty expensive? I found that you can have that "exclusive" experience at a cheaper price here. A friend of mine ended up at a club with Paris Hilton (said she was really nice), I've been out and met Bjork at a party... I can't say for sure, but would that happen in New York? I imagine that celebs would be at "exclusive" clubs..... and of course this is only a good point if you like this type of thing. For those who like dive bars, I think you can find them equally representing in NY, Toronto, Kiev, Thunder Bay... anywhere. Okay, maybe not in Oakville.

"I would never find myself feeling bored, 'Cause we were never being boring".
--Being Boring by the Pet Shop Boys


I don't know...I think anywhere is boring if you don't try to get out and do stuff. I find it hard to believe people can find nothing to do in Toronto, especially in the internet age; it's so easy to look stuff up.

ok so the unofficial club district is part of the official entertainment district. tx for the info !!

I tried to google a map of the thematic districts of TO but I can only find some cencus or administration plans.

Look at a streep map, you know, one of em yellow ones. Toronto is 'supposively' the 2nd largest english theatre centre, (3rd most important behind NY and London - obviously). We are very lucky for some reason.

I guess I'm not one to talk about this... it's been awile since I've went out in T.O. Not exactly an expert on the club scene...

I used to be into the whole Queen west thing...and Sneaky Dees! God bless Sneaky Dees....

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Best wishes from BA!
Soccer, tango, beautyful weather, nice architercture, dancing all night, pretty hot girls, too much of everything AMIGOS!
Buenos Aires Rulesss! Boca, River Plate, Palermo, Florida, every district is amazing.
Don't wanna go back to T.O., but............
I wish Toronto to be like that!
And Montreal is better than T.O, for sure! Montreal is the best city in North America!

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"ok so the unofficial club district is part of the official entertainment district. "


Those who look at the Entertainment District as only a source of dance clubs, refer to it as "clubland" or the "club district". Because of 1986 city bylaws outlawing dance clubs, any new dance clubs must only be in this area. This is why there is such a concentration of them. Although this area has expanded in 1997, the traditional boundaries of the Entertainment District is considered to be Queen W, Front St, University Ave and Spadina.

But since the district contains a lot more than just dance clubs, you couldn't consider it just a "club" district, even though the concentration of them is very big, and a large part of the crowds are there for them. On thur-sun, the clubbers number around 75,000 in this area...it can get pretty crowded...some individual clubs hold 3000 people.

But there is a lot more to the area than dance clubs...restaurants, pubs, bars, lounges, live theatre, movie theatres, retail, hotels, galleries, convention centre, Skydome, NFB, and the headquarters of the CBC and Chum-City (there's even a gay bathouse)....and increasingly...condos.







KGB

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So are you - university student

^ :nuts:

You strike me as very young for some reason.

Excuse me if this profile is incorrect, but you're younger and a recent immigrant to Canada. Toronto strikes you and cold and no match for those other cities you've been to/lived in. Montreal is the best to you because it reminds you supposedly of Europe. Sorry if I'm wrong, you just sound exactly like me many years ago. Spend some time in the city, become a little more positive, try to actually discover the city, and then visit your country again. You might be surprised...

Thank You! I'll try! Very smart idea!

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So are you - university student
Used to be in Ukraine, but not anymore......
I hope to become a student in T.O.

Montreal is a party town, like New Orleans or Las Vegas, but like New Orleans or Las Vegas, Montreal's club scene, like KGB suggested, is a bit dated and musically (club music anyway) it's - how do I put this - bad (when the guys at Vice magazine were located in Montreal they were (in)famous for their 10 year rule on Montrealers and music - if you want to know what's musically popular in Montreal, subtract 10 years). It's also wayyyyy too Euro-oriented, unlike TO, which as all good clubbers know, benefits enormously from that Great Lakes vibe (birthplace of House and Techno), and our ties with the UK (starting in the late 80's with a wave of transplanted UK DJ's, promoters and ties with music labels, which started-up our rave scene). Montreal does the downtempo and experimental electronica thing very well, but as for house, (real) techno and breakbeat (D&B, broken beat, etc), it's slim pickings.

The club district is where most of the big clubs and bars are, but it spills over Spadina and reaches toward Bathurst, where it's more discreet, caters to a more "mature" crowd (less public vomiting and no shootings), and hasn't any of the mega-clubs found in the club district. The bar/lounge thing is most densely concentrated along College, a long ways from the club district, but generally you can find them scattered throughout the city with pockets of them concentrated along parts of popular west-end streets, often miles from the downtown core (it's also a sneaky way of getting around the zoning laws for clubs).

I think TO still has the biggest D&B scene in NA, but London took back the #1 spot, which obviously makes sense. The D&B scene was nuts for awhile, so much so that techno was playing second fiddle at some rave parties, but like London, TO scared a lot of people away with the darker stuff that started to emerge in the late 90's. It's got a solid, somewhat burnt-out, following, but no longer gets the mainstream play it used to.

As for afterhours, I'm long finished with that business.

"El Mo is more than Stones and Maggie. It's still an excellent club."


Well yea...it's still there in name, and you can still see some great live performances....but you can do that in a hundred venues.

I'm talking about the "legendary" El Mo...when it had a "scene" and a cashe it simply no longer has. It's position as a premier venue for up-and-coming local artists and industry venue for international acts is long gone...this has to do with management and the simple fact that all good things must end.

By the 90's, the club's industry reputation and street credibility was over...the new management is trying, but it is very unlikely it will ever regain the reputation it once had.

It was a blues and rock legend (in an era of disco, punk and new wave)...this is where the likes of U2, Elvis Costello, The Police, Grover Washington Jr., Charles Mingus, and all canadian bands played...the Stones and Stevie Ray Vaughan recorded live albums.

It's still going...still has the name..still has that circa 1946 sign, and you can still see some great bands....but it's not the authentic "El Mo".






KGB

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He is right! Boring is the city lifestyle. There is no any atmosphere here.
I came from Prague 2 years ago, and I know what he is talking about. Our hero is from Kiev as I understood. I've been there 3 times, absolutely beautyful city.
I am feeling like him, like an idiot. Sorry guys, but Toronto is boring for all Europeans.
Erm... I am an Irish guy living in England with a Dutch mother... IMO, pretty European. And Toronto is my favourate place in the WHOLE WORLD.
Nowhere can beat Toronto. Its the opposite of boring. The Toronto Islands is the best urban park I've ever been too. The CN tower is the greatest tower I've ever had the pleasure of going up. Markham is the greatest suburb in the whole world. I love the Toronto Jazz Festival and the trams. I went to the largest rock concert in the world in Toronto in 2003.
TORONTO RULEZ!!! But Europa is nice too :)

^ it's the immigrant syndrome, I know it first hand. When you just come to a new place (to live, not visit) man does everything seem better from where you came from. The feeling didn't last, however.

why is this thread still alive, Toronto is obviously not boring and if a few people think it is who gives a crap, there just ignorant.

Toronto isn't boring, just its skyline.

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Oh lord, can't people have their own opinion.

pwright is just a jerk, ignore him.

He's starting to troll around Toronto threads.

The TO skyline beats this European thing... Preston

http://www.code-hosted.co.uk/preston/files/imagelibrary/large/PCC002.jpg

To answer the question of the thread. I think Toronto would be better if the weather was not so cold.

But I don't think that was the question. Unless you think the fact it gets cold part of the years is connected to being "boring". Guess that means NYC, London, Paris, etc are all broing then?

In fact, the distinctive seasons makes it less boring wouldn't you think?







KGB

But I don't think that was the question. Unless you think the fact it gets cold part of the years is connected to being "boring". Guess that means NYC, London, Paris, etc are all broing then?

In fact, the distinctive seasons makes it less boring wouldn't you think?







KGB

I never said it was boring.

Well...you did say you were going to answer the question of the thread....which is whether Toronto is boring. Your "answer" was that you thought it was too cold. Now of course, that answer doesn't make any sense at all...but since it was negative, I made a leap of logic and tried to connect it to the question of the thread, which you claim to be answering.

So..."is Toronto boring" + negative answer = boring.

Yea???






KGB

I'm sorry if you took my response the wrong way. I think Toronto is a fabulous city and just said it would be better if the weather was too. Personally, I don't have much fun in cities when it is below freezing, but that is just my opinion. Of course Paris, Nyc, London, and other cities have long periods of cold temperatures, but I don't think Toronto can really compare with those cities. Again this is just my opinion. So there is no reason to get insecure and offensive.

The fact is that Toronto is no Paris, London or New York - that is a fact, Fact, FACT!! Toronto cannot hold a candle to them- no way. Not close. Stupid - flat out stupid - to put Toronto in that class of city. However, only Paris, London and New York are Paris, London and New York!

So, is Toronto boring? Compared to what? London? Paris? New York? No doubt.

Compared to other cities with a population of 3 or so million? On par- at worst.

Remember also that Toronto, unlike other cities, is freaking GOUGED by senior levels of government. Toronto, (the capital of Ontario) and the province of Alberta fund the rest of the rest of the country.

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" So there is no reason to get insecure and offensive."


I wasn't being either...just trying to decifer your obscure post. So please keep your opinion away from personal insults.

And removing winter from the weather will not make the city "better" or less boring...and it isn't possible...so it's pointelss. Weather extremes are just a reality for most cities...it's no more inconvenient than say Houston, which is a sauna a great deal of the time.






"So, is Toronto boring? Compared to what? London? Paris? New York? No doubt."


Well are be, I guess that depends on how one constitutes "boring" or lack of boring. In some cases, I would say Toronto is not only on par, but exceeds these cities. The only thing we can be sure of, is that all these cities are big enough, with enough things that constitute "anti-boring", that it would be impossible for a person to be "bored" under any circumstances.

I mean, if the only thing you did that was not boring, was mountain climbing...then yes, I suppose Toronto would quickly become boring, unless climbing the bluffs could keep you busy. LOL!!








KGB

I think any city becomes a world class city like Tokyo, LA, paris, london, new york, when there's a big fashion industry setting new trends. I think Shanghai will be the next. Just need more people I suppose.

Ulimately if you find a place boring - it generally because YOU are. I'll tell you if I visit somewhere like, even a smaller city like Regina - it sure as hell won't be boring. With some people it would be impossible for them to have a good time. Generally I'm one of those that considers myself a traveller not a tourist when I go places. Tourist are the types that visit places and do nothing but compare and complain. A traveller considers a place on its own merits and imagines life for them living there. When I visited Madrid recently, the first thing I thought to myself was "I could live here" I wasn't one of those - Oh, the airport is not nearly as beautiul as Ottawa International - lol
It's PEOPLE that make cities what they are. Its not all about concrete. Its about vitality and having some.

"Ulimately if you find a place boring - it generally because YOU are."


Ah...the "Forest" motto....boring is what boring does?

Probably true though...the least boring part of my life was probably growing up in a small town of less than 1000.






KGB

Toronto isn't boring, just its skyline.

yeah.... right. That's a reaction. There's personal opinion, and then theres flat out denial...

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/oct2gon-b20.jpg

http://www.cappacanada.ca/Toronto%20skyline.jpg

http://www.georgetakei.com/toronto-skyline.jpg

http://www.appfa.org/toronto.jpg

heres a good shot of Toronto's density, with some eye candy to boot

http://www.phys.uni-paderborn.de/~blum/images/ontario1997/toronto06.jpg

http://www.rotman.utoronto.ca/mmpa/StudentPages/Class2003/Images/toronto-night-skyline-boat.jpg

http://image03.webshots.com/3/0/25/86/92002586KmVkCD_ph.jpg

http://www.iw721.org/imx/skyline2029.jpg

Toronto's skyline is not boring. There's simply no question about it.

Oh, and so you have a sense of scale, the CN tower is a full 173 metres taller than the Bank of America. Most often people assume Toronto's skyline is small because the CN Tower dwarfs everything else, yet even First Canadian Place is still taller than Seattles tallest. This isn't a regular skyline, it's one of the worlds best. i.e. not boring.

http://image03.webshots.com/3/0/25/86/92002586KmVkCD_ph.jpg
Never seen this one before..
:drool:

why is this thread still alive, Toronto is obviously not boring and if a few people think it is who gives a crap, there just ignorant.

how could u call ppl ignorant because they find Toronto boring? Toronto being boring or not is not a fact, it an opinion that differs from ppl to ppl. I am sure that there are many people that find Toronto fun, however, i am equally sure that there are people out there that finds Toronto boring.

Leave it to a Montrealer to rationalize why Toronto is boring. LOL!!


Just to clarify..."cities" cannot be boring...a person can feel bored...it's an emotion. If you feel bored...why do you feel bored? It's quite possible that you want to do something that is not available, and you don't want to do anything else...in this case...I suppose a city can be "boring" then. But you'd have to be specific about that. In most cases though, a person feels bored because of their own making.






KGB

when i went to Toronto, i didn't find anything unique it had to offer... the only thing that was different was the CN tower, but then again, its the CN tower, a tall concrete structure :eek2:

when i went to Toronto, i didn't find anything unique it had to offer... the only thing that was different was the CN tower, but then again, its the CN tower, a tall concrete structure :eek2:

Doesn't sound like you did very much exploring.

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when i went to Toronto, i didn't find anything unique it had to offer... the only thing that was different was the CN tower, but then again, its the CN tower, a tall concrete structure

in the name of Montréal, I'm sorry about that.

Well, if you limit your time in Toronto to places like CN Tower, then no wonder...you really didn't see Toronto (ok, you can see it from far up LOL ). Do Torontonians hang out at the CN Tower?....no.

There really is no point in argueing with Canadians from places like Montreal or Vancouver, because they just want to perpetuate their anti-Toronto feelings...it's like a sorry little disease.





KGB

http://www.phys.uni-paderborn.de/~blum/images/ontario1997/toronto06.jpg

"Hi there! Welcome to Boronto! Hope you can endure your stay."

http://www.phys.uni-paderborn.de/~blum/images/ontario1997/toronto06.jpg

"Hi there! Welcome to Boronto! Hope you can endure your stay."

Another charming troll...

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I thought that was obvious enough sarcasm (pretty girl talking about a Toronto visit like a jail term in front of a very beautiful picture of a great city), but apparently not. Sorry.

"So, is Toronto boring? Compared to what? London? Paris? New York? No doubt."


Well are be, I guess that depends on how one constitutes "boring" or lack of boring. In some cases, I would say Toronto is not only on par, but exceeds these cities. The only thing we can be sure of, is that all these cities are big enough, with enough things that constitute "anti-boring", that it would be impossible for a person to be "bored" under any circumstances.

I mean, if the only thing you did that was not boring, was mountain climbing...then yes, I suppose Toronto would quickly become boring, unless climbing the bluffs could keep you busy. LOL!!

Good point, KGB.
You show me a city with 3 -4 million or so people in it, anywhere in the 'new' world, and I'll show you a city that is more or less about as boring, and - if it is in North America or Australia as multicultural - as Toronto.
Toronto is not New York, London, or Paris. But it's no worse than Sydney, Vancouver, Chicago, etc.

http://image03.webshots.com/3/0/25/86/92002586KmVkCD_ph.jpg

Great shot from 663 Bay St.

Its all relative IMO.

I was from Hong Kong. Basically shops don't close unitl ~10pm.

When I came to Toronto, most things close at ~6pm.

So yes, for me and my family, Toronto is very boring. In Hong Kong people basically don't sleep. Some restaurants have mid-night MEALS and they never close lol...

But when I came to Waterloo... my god, this place is boring. So looking back, Toronto is not very boring.

I love Toronto nevertheless, its busy yet peaceful. :)

But what if shopping is not your thing? Then, all those horrible stores stay open until 10:00 pm!
Of course, HK has many more people than Toronto. We need to compare 'like with like' and Toronto, at 3.5 or so million people, is very small next to NY, HK, London, Paris, etc. It stands to reason that it would not have as many things going on.

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Its all relative IMO.

I was from Hong Kong. Basically shops don't close unitl ~10pm.

When I came to Toronto, most things close at ~6pm.

So yes, for me and my family, Toronto is very boring. In Hong Kong people basically don't sleep. Some restaurants have mid-night MEALS and they never close lol...

But when I came to Waterloo... my god, this place is boring. So looking back, Toronto is not very boring.

I love Toronto nevertheless, its busy yet peaceful. :)

6pm?? You must've been out only on Sunday. Most restaurants close quite late and you can indeed find 24 hour restaurants here.

Its all relative IMO.

I was from Hong Kong. Basically shops don't close unitl ~10pm.

When I came to Toronto, most things close at ~6pm.

So yes, for me and my family, Toronto is very boring. In Hong Kong people basically don't sleep. Some restaurants have mid-night MEALS and they never close lol...

But when I came to Waterloo... my god, this place is boring. So looking back, Toronto is not very boring.

I love Toronto nevertheless, its busy yet peaceful. :)

Stores in Toronto are generally open until 9pm, except Saturday when they close at 6 and Sunday when they close at 5, and book and music stores are typically open much later. (In Europe stores close earlier than stores in Toronto, but one would hardly call Paris or Madrid boring because you can't buy socks at 10pm). You can easily find restaurants serving meals throughout the night (I've worked at two of them, and am all-too familiar with the so-called "3am rush"). Granted, Toronto is not as busy as Hong Kong, few places that choose not to stack people like pancakes are, but judging from your observations - are you sure it was Toronto, Canada that you visited?

"In Hong Kong people basically don't sleep"

Boy they must be getting tired. This thread should be deleted. It's inane.

To me, HK is the idea of a "boring" city, as it's extremely homogenous....it might have more people, but you have to rmember that half the population lives in public housing that is hardly what I would call your mixed-use Toronto neighbourhoods...basically, it's mostly huge versions of St Jamestown.

HK is not much of a cultural centre either...certainly nowhere at the level of Toronto...and I'm not just speaking of the obvious difference where Toronto is far more diverse....but that is also another major difference.

What HK is....is chaotic...and not always in a good way. It's also very expensive...it's also part of a communist country.

Toronto is a far more livable city than HK...far more diverse...far more interactive and culturally interesting...with more choice in terms of lifestyle.






KGB