Planning application lodged

Application Number: 2011/05161/PA

Application Type: Reserved Matters

Development Site Address: Warwickshire County Cricket Ground Edgbaston Road Edgbaston Birmingham B5 7QU

Proposal: Reserved matters


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seems to me ita a hotchpot developement to gain large profit to the expense of spacious area around the ground.

seems to me ita a hotchpot developement to gain large profit to the expense of spacious area around the ground.

I think it's more regain the costs of the redevelopment of the stadium than generate large profit. I think it looks pretty good, makes the stadium a bit more of a centre.

Warwickshire County Cricket Club Phase 2 | Edgbaston Road | 10 fl | Prop.

yes its a money making exersize, but i think its a good and high quality one. consequently it has my support...

plus i think the house types are amazing. this is the type of high quality housing we should be encouraging in our inner city regions!!!

Planning application lodged

Application Number: 2011/05161/PA

Application Type: Reserved Matters

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BLOODY-HELL these revisions are going to create a crime hotspot!

It looks like carparking spaces are going to be relatively reduced further even though the capacity of the ground has increased. The parking situation is ridiculous when there are big test matches on in the surrounding areas (all the way up to Kings Heath at times!), this will just make it worse locally. I can see a theft and damage to patron-cars campaign happening after the development.

Given the volatility of the surrounding area (like Tottenham) with poor-quality policing and ignorance of the locals, like the past has illustrated (campaign against drugs and prostitution in Cameron's baby 'big community') if the Club do not address local issues especially now after devalueing their property prices there are going to be difficulties.

Obviously this will sail through planning as the wordless-BCC do not care about the locals.

Ironically like Tottenham there is a new Aldi which is really going to affect the remnant mass of local shops in Balsall Heath (my mother says previously the ring road almost destroyed the place). Personally I really like the new Aldi, its really clean, apart from the sign it looks nice and the square has a nice feel; although there maybe RTAs around Test matches as the road surface, bollards and the pavement are the same colour (this has been shown time and time again as stupid -I'm surprised H&S have not said a word but they are private roads).

p.s. Edgebaston mills looks nice too, noticed you can even get cheap weed :lol:

Looked at some of the appendices of documents; it appears they have used Edgbaston for car-parking comparison rather than the surrounding local area 'Cannon Hill' aka Balsall Heath.

There is proposed car-parking for residential accommodation, a lot of waffle and thus obviously hiding details. The 2011/05140/PA document neglects to mention double-parking on Constance Road, Raglan Road almost every surrounding road at night (try driving through the place as a shortcut at night)

The documents point to the Cricket ground (WCCC) only needing 350 spaces in a medium multi-storey car park which incidentally the reserved matters have omitted from the location plans. But,

ONLY 350 CAR-PARKING SPACES FOR A 25,000 SEATER STADIUM!

I would have thought you need roughly 2.5k to be adequate for an enlarged stadium, especially if you factor in any future exapnsion

where is the parking for the stadium actually:??

saying that though villa park and st andrews are bigger capacity and dont have huge car parks for supporters,

how far away would a new train station be away if they open up the camp hill line or whatever its called? failing that a metro down the bristol road would be good:)

Atleast it will be encouragement to stay in a hotel if parking is a bastard I guess

BLOODY-HELL these revisions are going to create a crime hotspot!

Depends if the apartments will be sold privately or given to a housing association. Do we get this info from the planning documents?

I think you get that from the planning officer's report just before it goes to committee. A proportion will become affordable housing - although the developer can buy out the commitment by giving the council a large sum of money which goes towards the upkeep and construction of new affordable housing elsewhere.

Housing association properties don't automatically mean crime ridden estates. I actually only found out a few weeks back that where I'm living here in Birmingham is immediately surrounded by 5 housing association properties. Never had an issue.

Isnt it normally a minimum of 10% has to be social or none and the payment?

Yeh 10% is normally the minimum. It's negotiated with the council during the planning process though, I believe. And it's only in schemes with over 20-something homes. Eeeesh, I've forgotten so much about it.

Crime hotspot because of the way access is planned and how pretentious this 'for profit' development will appear to the local Chav/underclass next to the development.

Affordable housing is about addressing the mobile working class not the cause of local social problems. This has nothing to do with it looking ideal to be a crime hot-spot (I have a youth worker standing next to me, wondering why I am on an architecture site -does not believe me when I say this place is very local -maybe back to mine?

Edgbaston not 'Edgebaston'

Edgbaston not 'Edgebaston'

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am i the only one who gets fairly annoyed when the bbc say 'edgbuston' instead of 'edgbaston'?

I know that warwickshire ccc have to recoup as much money as possible to pay back the loan from the council but i feel with this proposal it is sacrificing the much needed car park and the overall feel good factor of Stadium space with cramped apartments and housing.

Last I saw, only one house appears to be occupied on Pershore Road (3 or 4 cars out front). The rest are boarded up.

After leaving a wedding held near Edgbaston, I saw the back of the houses. The land has been cleared, even the back gardens.

Can also see the progress of Wickets and Century Tower's.

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2 of those semi-detached houses on the Pershore Road look about 1900 and it would be a shame to lose them but the de-rigeur 1930s semis are more common.

They mostly look like mid 1930s semi-detached houses to me.

Yeah would be a shame, but Warwickshire CCC wants the land.

Where did that dentist move to? (the house with purple on it)

Again, like most people, I think that losing a few 1930s semi detached houses is no big thing (apart from if you live there!). But there are four at one end of the site (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Pershore+Road&hl=en&ll=52.456454,-1.906042&spn=0.010853,0.042272&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=10.781145,43.286133&vpsrc=6&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.456378,-1.906084&panoid=OafEtAz0DYJMOSdtoL8Ehg&cbp=12,85.93,,0,-6.01) which are older and quite unusual. These have always struck me as worth saving.

Unfortunately it seems like they're in the middle of the office/leisure use rather than the residential part so it was never really likely.

I really like this development. The houses in particular look interesting (back to back with private roof terraces), and if they're high quality could be used as something of a model to follow elsewhere in the city. I don't have any problem with high density development around here - it seems like a perfect place. The only issue I can see would be with traffic, but to be honest in Birmingham you're going to get that wherever you build houses.

I like the look of this project ;I like how the the flats seem to hug the stadium and I think the shorter house element looks good too .As someone has pointed out,if successsful it could prove a promising blueprint for future development in the city centre .

I live in a 1930s semi detached house (in a Conservation Area). At least it isn't by the cricket ground! Couldn't they rebuild them elsewhere, where housing is needed (brick by brick)? Looks like there fate is to be demolished though.

This should go here Nacho

Development news .

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2011/09/22/public-inquiry-to-be-held-into-edgbaston-cricket-ground-development-65233-29469327/


A public inquiry is to be held into controversial plans to redevelop land around Edgbaston Cricket Ground, which could see new homes, a hotel, restaurants, shops, pubs and a public plaza built in the area.
Houses on Pershore Road, where there are plans to build hotel, restaurants and pubs.

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A compulsory purchase order has been served on two homes in nearby Pershore Road and other outbuildings on land next to the cricket ground to make way for the mixed use scheme.

Objectors have reacted furiously to the news and have vowed to fight the plans at the inquiry.

Jeeven Singh, who lives in one of the houses facing a compulsory purchase order, said the club had not made him an offer which would allow him to buy a comparable property and the development would have a devastating effect on traffic.

Mr Singh, a 42-year-old father-of-two, who has been living in the four-bedroom property for the past 10 years, said: “The cricket ground is taking the mickey. They have been in negotiations with me and we haven’t been able to come to an agreement about price.
Houses on Pershore Road where the Edgbaston cricket ground redevelopment is planned for

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“My neighbour doesn’t want to leave at all. If they came up with a good offer we would move. They offered £250,000 for a property that a chartered surveyor said was worth between £365,000 and £420,000 so it looks like it’s going to a public inquiry.

“For the community, it’s going to be devastating, it’s going to have a big impact especially on traffic. I’m in no rush to move and will stick it out.”

The other property which has been served with a CPO is owned by woman who is directing all enquiries to her solicitor.

Vijay Sarathy, from the Cannon Hill Neighbourhood Forum, said: “We have objected to the whole set-up from the beginning and, as any self-respecting neighbourhood forum, we are completely supporting the two residents whose properties are subjected to a compulsory purchase order for the gain of a private organisation.

“We objected to the outline planning permission.
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‘‘The development will change the complex of the total area. The traffic situation will be impossible and the population density will rise.

“There will be an effect on the other businesses in Moseley.

‘‘This is a beautiful part of Birmingham but they want to turn this suburban area into a Broad Street.”

The Russell Road Residents’ Association has also registered its opposition, particularly in the case of the elderly woman who has lived at her address for many years.

A Warwickshire County Cricket Club spokesman said it would be inappropriate to comment on the public inquiry at this stage.

The inquiry will be held at 10am on October 4 at the cricket ground.

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^^ Ofcourse there will be an effect on businesses in moseley...and i can only think it would be a good one, the supermarkets would be used by spectators as would the pubs, bars and restaurants later... which can surely only be a good thing??

And i wouldn't of said the traffic situation will be impossible, perhaps just a little busier at times??

Firstly if you move next to a sports stadium then what do you expect. Also crowds are much lower for the the day to day county games now than they were 20 or even 10 years ago. No complaints about that I bet. They used to get attendances in the thousands for these, now only in the low hundreds...

Ridiculous whinging.

who the hell would pay almost half a million for one of those houses?

News related to the development .

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2011/10/05/birmingham-city-council-accused-over-warwickshire-loan-97319-29538116/

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sorry to bump drove past today and this now has hoardings up saying "Coming Soon new homes and apartments" or something along those lines

Nice little development, this area is now looking good.

indeed... with hemisphere and edgbaston mill, and now this, the area really is becoming a nice little hub.. and also and great first impression to those using edgbaston!

The developement is called Edgbaston Square:
http://www.mcdproperty.com/edgbastonsq.htm

This should go here Nacho

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I'm not surprised the Cricket ground offered only half the value for the property, they have a CPO, they could have offered him a tenner -b****** with all the red tape would have got away with it too.

Houses around stadiums, up and down this country are a bad idea, some people never learn...

Unless there is open spaces like Edgebaston Mills (which does work well for now), I cannot see a good outcome long-term for this development. Especially as the stingy cricket ground will not fund permit zones around the stadium of a poor neighbourhood, who are going to get upset, vandalise and wotnot... the new residents are going to be either druggies/sellers/pimps (like over the road next to ALDI) or be scarred shitless. It really does look like a recipe for long-term disaster.


plus side -the new Aldi is better than Waitrose :lol:

ok youve totally lost me here!!!

Nice little development, this area is now looking good.
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Lets not jump ahead of ourselves guys, Edgbaston Mill as stalled and the Cricket Club phase 2 is someway in the future, objections and money yet to be sorted.

i dont think we are getting ahead of ourselves... this area is looking good... NOW!!! remember how it used to look!!

There's a big difference between football stadiums, cricket grounds and other sports arenas. It's unfair to just say 'houses around stadiums, up and down this country are a bad idea, some people never learn.'

Cricket Grounds are quite appealing to live by IMO. Look at the appartments of Brindley Place, under the shadow of the National Indoor Arena, yet expensive, exclusive and appealing. Homes near to horse tracks and golf courses are some of the finest int he country.

I've always thought a retirement home or pensioners flats type thing would be perfect adjacent to Edgbaston Cricket Ground. If I'm going to stay in the West Midlands when I'm retired then living a few steps from the ground and being able to wander in and out for games really appeals to me!

There's a big difference between football stadiums, cricket grounds and other sports arenas. It's unfair to just say 'houses around stadiums, up and down this country are a bad idea, some people never learn.'

Cricket Grounds are quite appealing to live by IMO. Look at the appartments of Brindley Place, under the shadow of the National Indoor Arena, yet expensive, exclusive and appealing. Homes near to horse tracks and golf courses are some of the finest int he country.

I've always thought a retirement home or pensioners flats type thing would be perfect adjacent to Edgbaston Cricket Ground. If I'm going to stay in the West Midlands when I'm retired then living a few steps from the ground and being able to wander in and out for games really appeals to me!
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Gotta agree BhamJim, I always admire the apartments surrounding the Oval and think itn would be a nice place to live:) though I may seem a bit negative on the rate of progress I really want to see this area's projects succeed!

The houses have been approved and construction beginning soon, the appartment blocks have now been approved to, wonder if we will see these start the same time as the houses? The article made me laugh, like you would expect a ground floor apartment to get a view into the stadium? Or I'm pretty sure if you bought an appartments next to a stadium you'd kind of be expecting noise? The cricket grounds also been approved to expandits hospitality offer Anyway...

NEW flats planned for the car park of Edgbaston cricket ground have been branded “inadequate” – leaving some tenants looking out on to the back of the venue’s stands, it has been claimed.

Some members of Birmingham’s planning committee were stunned at the proposals to cram 133 flats, in blocks of up to eight storeys, and 79 houses on land behind the Raglan and Priory stands.

The plans were, however, still approved.

The housing is the latest phase of the redevelopment of Warwickshire County Cricket Ground, which saw the stadium improved to ensure it could continue to host money-spinning international matches, and carried proposals for surroundings shops, offices, a hotel, homes and restaurants.

But detailed designs for the blocks revealed some tenants at lower levels would be able to see only the brickwork of the stands, although some living on higher floors would enjoy a view of the pitch.

Coun Barry Henley (Lab, Brandwood) stormed: “I always thought that filling the car park with high rise flats was a bad move and we can see that now.” He said that throughout a report planning officers had “apologised for saying how inadequate the living space would be”.

“Some will have a brick wall from the old part of the stand to look at. They will live cheek by jowl with their neighbours.”

And he warned an emergency services access to an incident could be hampered by the density of building.

“Not to mention they will be driven bonkers by the loud music and din from Twenty20 matches,” he added.

Coun James Hutchings (Con, Edgbaston) was also critical of the plans. He said: ‘‘High density housing is not suitable for the site.”

Planning officials said the high rises were in keeping with the wider development in the area and the scheme was supported by the council’s urban designers.

They added that the principle of housing had been established when the initial stadium development plans were approved in 2009.

The committee approved the scheme on an 11 to one vote, with one abstention. The cricket club also won approval for a expansion of its hospitality facilities.



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Just looked at the above article again and there is now a picture showing that wasnt earlier, dont think this has been shown before? I like the design but not to sure on the colour, seems a bit more pale than id like to have seen

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The corner is very reminiscent of Hemisphere.

ok youve totally lost me here!!!

The Cricket ground originally offered £60,000, then £93,000, some years later £140,000 or something like that, now they have offered £250,000.

The house is worth about £380,000 I think, more given the development plans

Given they have somehow managed to get a CPO to purchase the house so they can build private houses (mix-use development but basically residential houses). They could technically offer any amount even, £10 and bulldoze the house with a private contractor. Given the amount of red tape and lack of accountability and an idiotic BCC, the Club would get away with it.

Can someone explain where ther are going to park over a 5,000 cars (assuming the gound capacity is 25K and 5K will use local transport/walk). The previous car park was inadequate not just because of the spill into the local neigbourhood but you had cars parked everywhere from the small practice fields, the main practice field and even the small grass areas around the stadium.

Is there a parking plan?

The Cricket ground originally offered £60,000, then £93,000, some years later £140,000 or something like that, now they have offered £250,000.

The house is worth about £380,000 I think, more given the development plans

Given they have somehow managed to get a CPO to purchase the house so they can build private houses (mix-use development but basically residential houses). They could technically offer any amount even, £10 and bulldoze the house with a private contractor. Given the amount of red tape and lack of accountability and an idiotic BCC, the Club would get away with it.

tosh. cpo's need to be confirmed by the secretary of state following a public inquiry. therefore totally accountable process

Absolutely a joke.They build a super stand and now this stupid idea of building apartment blocks and housing therefore ruining the view of the stadium and increasing congestion alround.I know that warwickshire ccc have got to pay back the loan to the council but this is ridiculous,

how is it ruinging views of the stadium? there is a big bloody square outside the front entrance.... you obviously havent taken the time to actually look at the plans now!!!

Theres lot less of a square if they build this monstrosity im telling you.

There's no square where this is being proposed though is there?

Briliant project the area needs more density.

Firstly you can see there are two squares/public spaces being delivered as part of this masterplan. one circular space in the middle of the masterplan, a second antrance square being built infront of the new main entrance linking the entrance with the road... clearly inflienced by views of the new entrance to the road... see below

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secondly, mikey you are right, as part of the first phase of the scheme, this is all that is getting built within the red line... here buildings only go up to 10 storeys i believe and so yes, the rest of the development will be built as part of the secdon phase....

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thirdly, i always love a 'parking nimby', these are by far the best type of nimby who follow the following logic:

"there is currently a parking problem in area x! consequently, until parking in area x is worked out, there should be NO development in this area at all!!!!"

...do people not see that development can resolve the problem? Car parks are expesive buildings. they produce very little revenue when messured against the cost they are to build. Consequently, unless the car park is being delivered by the council which is rare (but has happened in eastside), most car parks have to have delivered by wider regeneration to be made viable. again, to those bothering to read the application, you will see that phase 2 of the masterplan includes a 5 storey multistory car park!

Vanson just got told, I agree it looks to be a nice, simple, good quality development thats going to fit right in with the surrounding area.

What concerns me about this development is that it pretty much rights off the expansion of the RS Wyatt stand as we know it, and how I envisaged it could look (with an extra tier and roof added).

Any development on this part of the ground will now have to involve the demolition of current stands and construction of brand new ones which I think will be a shame and somewhat unecassary. Someday this work is going to happen, it's inevitable, and I think this current development will make life difficult. It will not only add number to the current disgruntled residents and claims over the recent development and floodlight issue, but it will also restrict access as well as the size, height, design of the development.

totally agree with bham jim

not sure what the RS stand is, but there looks more than enough rooms in the plans to carry out a rebuild of the rest of the stadium, it might not look like much in the plans but in real life it will be plenty

Briliant project the area needs more density.
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Got to agree Soul_13 , this area needs vibrancy and people to give it atmosphere on other days than just the cricket. The conference facilities at the cricket ground and hotel leisure facilities in the Doubletree will make this a lively "city" location.
Yes the traffic will be a bit busier, but this is a GROWING CITY we are living in, the development includes future car parking provision...and if it becomes a real problem!...maybe some great mind might suggest the Metro is extended down Bristol Road.:banana:

...maybe some great mind might suggest the Metro is extended down Bristol Road.:banana:

Well thank you Nigeman! however I have already suggested it numerous times lol

Well thank you Nigeman! however I have already suggested it numerous times lol
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Yep, just adding weight to the argument :)