Not degrade the forum or anything but I thought I'd show som pics of China's cities being put to work. I just wanted show the effects of rapidly growing urban populations.Post your own pics if you like.
http://www.sinosplice.com/~aperifle/road%20warriors.jpg
http://english.epochtimes.com/news_images/2003-10-18-china_traffic.jpeg
http://www.hut.fi/~srelma/kuvat/china/beijing.jpg
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2002/110-9/nanjingrd.jpg
Pollution
http://carbon.cfr.washington.edu/esc110/2001Fall/projects/113/pollution%20in%20china.jpg
http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9905/28/t_t/china.environment/pollution.large.jpg
Talk about good pollution!
http://www.starcity.dk/grafik_engelsk/beijing/picture_beijing_18.jpg
http://www.epa.gov/international/photos/beijing2.jpg
Overcrowding-
http://www-db.stanford.edu/~qluo/pict/trip/chengdu/intersection.jpg

http://archives.tconline.org/images/Stories/june02/cities1.jpg
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Population/population-cities.jpg
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a000800/a000864/beijing.jpg
Moural of the thread, I still love China.

wow.. theres lots money on ground.....
but i think we will fix that problem.. just like USA before

Do you know how old some of these pics are? Well, VERY old, by China's standard of course.

Some are old others are not.
post new pics, I can't find any but I keep reading a thousand articles on this stuff.

Do you know how old some of these pics are? Well, VERY old, by China's standard of course.
yeah..those picture are very old :eek2:

What's the point? I'm sure I can easily find pictures of traffic in any major U.S. cities (heck, traffic in my hometown Houston is horrible), how about a picture of pollution in LA? Overcrowding in NYC?

Fact is, these problems are shared by the whole world, not just China.

stunning!

Some ppl say the Chinese only look at their achievements and r reluctant to look at their shortcomings&faults, when the Westerners love to look at their disadvantages&errors, I disagree.
Of course the above statement might have been repeated for numerous times, which was created by some white ppl for adding their own pride, what I see, at least on this board, is a whole different story.
Some may criticize that the Chinese(mainlanders) r brainwashed by their government and short-sighted because ther live on the land where freedom doesn't exist and democrats have no say, but just look back, the poverty, injustice, and other problems in mainland China were exposed by ourselves the most and rightfully. Various ppl from mainland have posted negative threads about the bad things in mainland China, and they never disavowed, and they were very humble.
On the other hand, when many Westerners seemed to stand right posting human rights stuff about mainland China, the Chinese forumers would just jump out and stand against, which might make the view to the Westerners that the Chinese ppl know little about their country and its human rights record(East Turkistan, Tibet, FLG, wow, and the government sometimes send monks to prisons if they have nothing better to do).
I've never seen Chinese ppl so united, admitting their failures and refusing to admit the impression that the Westerners tried to brand them.
The Westerners may make fun of their mayors or presidents, but they never admitted their errors they've committed. They never talked about what terrible things they'd done to a lot of ppl and how much wealth they'd owned from robbing of others' treasure boxes, they never mentioned, they thought they were justified, nobody cared as long as their economy strong and their ppl rich.
Who r the real brave ppl looking at their own errors and faults? Who r the real brave ppl looking into their history concluding goods and bads? Who r the real brave ppl going into a huff when some ppl try to make them look bad and ignorant with illusory comments&so-called resources?
I don't mind any criticism, and guess the rest of the Chinese forumers don't mind as well, they can accept objective critiques, and they won't welcome so-called authoritative resources and comments from the "authorities" like HRW, AI or TI and their supporters, they will be just smashed as ever.
The Chinese ppl were open and will still keep open in a sense, and there's no problem with the kind critiques about China's traffic, pollution, and overcrowding.
Guess just ppl cannot be blind to all the facts.

it's true that china is over crowded and very polluted now, but it will get better in the future when people's standard of living become better. i am sure no one like to live in a polluted place. and i think chinese are no exception. they will take care of the environment after other important things are being taken care of i.e the economy........
P.S i think chinese are fairer than the westerner....i.e chinese pollute their own place whereas westerner pollute other people's place(bombing and shooting in iraq) I am sure this has generated much greater pollution on the global scale. LOL....Bush!!! U will be a pig in ur next life....bloody murderer who murdered the government of iraq.......

The picture of Nanjing Road in Shanghai is outdated. It's a pedestrian-only shopping street now.

:ohno:

I live in Tokyo now, not China. So I don't know what's old and what's not, so don't attack me. As I said before, I have nothing against China.I think everybody thinks I made this thread to degrade china, but I made it because I was interested in China's problems and how the nation will fix them. So please save your uneeded anger. Newer pics:
http://www.beijinghighlights.com/photos/beijingtoday/traffic.JPG
http://oegugin.com/Travel/images/2004-02-T-Traffic.jpg
http://www.zhuqingsi.com/images/0504/traffic_red_light.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041010/i/r1471238917.jpg
http://www.washingtonchinareview.com/newsimg/2004/05/2004-05-1445-404.jpg http://www.betsygoestochina.com/images/sh2crowd.jpg

Like I've said before, traffic, pollution and over-crowding are problems that exist all over the world, especially in developed like U.S., Japan or more advanced developing nations like China.

I can find as many good pictures of U.S. just as many as bad pictures of U.S., the same can be said about China and any other country.

Like I've said before, traffic, pollution and over-crowding are problems that exist all over the world, especially in developed like U.S., Japan or more advanced developing nations like China.

I can find as many good pictures of U.S. just as many as bad pictures of U.S., the same can be said about China and any other country.

Fine,
post them if you want.
Whats the big problem?
This is a chinese thread & there have been traffic threads in other country forums.
There is no need to get emotional over somthing that I was interested in.

Fine,
post them if you want.
Whats the big problem?
This is a chinese thread & there have been traffic threads in other country forums.
There is no need to get emotional over somthing that I was interested in.
I'm not trying to pit countries against each other here.

No one is getting emotional here.

I am merely pointing out that what you're doing is called biased manipulation, whether you intended to or not. The power of the media is not so much as what they tell you, but it's what they DO NOT tell you. While you may not have ill intentions, what you did was biased and does nothing but misleading people to believe China is the only country in the world with the problems listed above.

I don't really think the guy who started the thread was biased. Sure there is pollution everywhere around the world but the pollution in china can be seen, felt and smelt whereas those pollution in the states, japan, and many other countries can't be seen or felt, or at least to a milder extend. I remember i nearly suffocated when walking on the street in guangzhou earlier this year, the pollution is just so bad that u can't even breath .......there is a recent newspaper article saying that china's lung cancer cases is on an increase of 20% per year currently. and one of the reasons for this increase was partly due to the problem of air pollution in china......

I'm not trying to pit countries against each other here.

No one is getting emotional here.

I am merely pointing out that what you're doing is called biased manipulation, whether you intended to or not. The power of the media is not so much as what they tell you, but it's what they DO NOT tell you. While you may not have ill intentions, what you did was biased and does nothing but misleading people to believe China is the only country in the world with the problems listed above.

if you read a few repies up he said he wasnt trying to be biased.

if you read a few repies up he said he wasnt trying to be biased.
If you had read MY posts you'd know I am not accussing him of PURPOSELY trying to be biased.

People can make mistakes without intending to or realizing it. But does that mean they should be overlooked and not challenged?

If you had read MY posts you'd know I am not accussing him of PURPOSELY trying to be biased.

People can make mistakes without intending to or realizing it. But does that mean they should be overlooked and not challenged?

Pangu, I think you're right here, even if your prior record flaming other countries' boards doesn't speak well for your credibility.

Pangu, I think you're right here, even if your prior record flaming other countries' boards doesn't speak well for your credibility.
If you're going to accuse me of "flaming other countries' borads", at least provide some evidence. Otherwise, you're just flaming.

I seem to recall that you caused a couple of threads to have to be locked.

But that's not the important part for this particular discussion - the point is, you're right regarding this particular thread.

I seem to recall that you caused a couple of threads to have to be locked.

But that's not the important part for this particular discussion - the point is, you're right regarding this particular thread.
I suppose you believe your memory should be counted as evidence?

You're right, it's not the important part of this particular discussion. I thought it was curious that you'd launch a personal attack against me and not have anything solid to back up your attack.

I suppose you believe your memory should be counted as evidence?

You're right, it's not the important part of this particular discussion. I thought it was curious that you'd launch a personal attack against me and not have anything solid to back up your attack.

Hey, I'm backing off here. But it sounds as if you're looking for a fight.

Flame wars are a waste of time - I'm done posting on this thread.