The Cottesloe Beach Pool is a project inspired by the vision of a few local community members in 2001 who were concerned for the safety of ocean swimmers sparked by the fatal shark attack at North Cottesloe in November 2000.
The additional benefits for children, elderly and less able bodied swimmers inspired this vision to evolve into the current proposal for a sea water fed swimming pool situated at Cottesloe Beach.
The Cottesloe Beach Pool Committee (CBPC) has outlined a development program to define the appropriate next steps in determining the feasibility of the concept and the critical success factors in realising the Committee’s vision.

The CBPC is now seeking feedback from the public of Western Australia. This is a concept only, and all of the images are indicative only - please have a look at the concept on the website www.cottbeachpool.com.au (http://www.cottbeachpool.com.au) and complete the feedback form to provide your feedback. the design and development will be dependant upon support from the people of WA.

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I predict a 0m height for the pool.

A failed joke :)

I liked it :)

It's not a real ocean pool unless waves can actually crash into it like pretty much all of the ocean pools in nsw. This is just a swimming pool close to the beach. It might as well be chlorinated.

It's not a real ocean pool unless waves can actually crash into it like pretty much all of the ocean pools in nsw. This is just a swimming pool close to the beach. It might as well be chlorinated.

The purpose of having it filled with sea water is to reduce health risk, cleaning costs etc.

I agree it would be good to have it right up against the water like in NSW...but in Perth at least, we don't really have the large granite outcrops right up against the water like at Bondi and most NSW estuaries.

Why couldn't it go Here? (http://www.nearmap.com/?q=@-31.997449,115.750596&ll=-31.997449,115.750596&z=18&t=k&nmd=20110712)

It's a nice idea, and I liked Bart's joke, although would it depend how many people sitting in it? It didn't get followed with '...and six months', which sounds promising.

Need more things of interest in places along the coast, something like that will be very popular I think, parents will love it.

Why couldn't it go Here? (http://www.nearmap.com/?q=@-31.997449,115.750596&ll=-31.997449,115.750596&z=18&t=k&nmd=20110712)

You mean against the groyne?

I imagine it's much harder to maintain if it's directly exposed to the ocean. The Newcastle baths are in a sheltered bay and they look like they still get a battering.

Actually no it's not sheltered, false memory, it's pretty exposed...

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-32.92903,151.790328&z=17&t=k&nmd=20110618

They are much better if they are exposed. Love swimming at icebergs. I can't see the point of having a normal swimming pool on the beach. If it's just a normal swimming pool, they should make it 50m for proper laps, and have more lanes. This would probably mean it would need to be in a different location of course.

Great idea for location btw JWPJ.

A lap pool, boring!

They are much better if they are exposed. Love swimming at icebergs. I can't see the point of having a normal swimming pool on the beach. If it's just a normal swimming pool, they should make it 50m for proper laps, and have more lanes. This would probably mean it would need to be in a different location of course.

Great idea for location btw JWPJ.

I think you're missing the overall purpose of the pool. It's not meant to be for fitness.

It's meant to be a sheltered swimming area for people wanting to enjoy a day at the beach, but uncomfortable with their ability to swim in the ocean.

I doubt the pool would attract the surf lifesaving crowd, but more so tourists with small children who are uncertain about the surf conditions at Cottesloe.

Its a good idea they should build it, its not taking anything great away from whats there now either.

Just wondering, what links do you have to this, CottBeachPool? :|

(i mean in real life, not ones you click)

I think you're missing the overall purpose of the pool. It's not meant to be for fitness.

It's meant to be a sheltered swimming area for people wanting to enjoy a day at the beach, but uncomfortable with their ability to swim in the ocean.

I doubt the pool would attract the surf lifesaving crowd, but more so tourists with small children who are uncertain about the surf conditions at Cottesloe.

People with small kids would be in the wading pool. Most of the ocean pools in NSW are used by people swimming laps - not necessarily quickly, maybe just slow breaststroke. You do sometimes get people just mucking around but the great majority of the users would be lap swimmers.

This just just strikes me as typical of the Perth way of doing things. Take a great idea that works well in another part of the world and then alter it or water it down so that it becomes a lame imitation.

I was thinking it a very Perth thing to turn everything into serious business... But then again at least the lappists would keep it busy all year round.

... and if it's too small, lappists would get pissed of at non lappists and vice versa. Not a good result.

If lappists want serious business, they can go to Challenge Stadium maybe?

i thought this was a legit one like the ones in NSW, dissapointed to say the least. When i was a kid they had the kiddie pools there, they failed, i think this will too, make a proper beach pool!

Yeah true Kelli, there are always other options, but that goes the same for non lappists right?

I guess the option that has been outlined above by and large excludes lap swimmers because of the small length and amount of lanes. Perhaps there will be a no lap swimming rule? In my experience doing a fair bit of ocean swimming in and around sydney, these pools are mostly utilised by lap swimmers.

Yeah true, there are always other options, but that goes the same for non lappists right?

I guess the option that has been outlined above by and large excludes lap swimmers because of the small length and amount of lanes. Perhaps there will be a no lap swimming rule? In my experience doing a fair bit of ocean swimming in and around sydney, these pools are mostly utilised by lap swimmers.

Oh well, you're better qualified to judge than me then. It would be a shame if it didn't get used for 9 months of the year.

It's not a real ocean pool unless waves can actually crash into it like pretty much all of the ocean pools in nsw. This is just a swimming pool close to the beach. It might as well be chlorinated.

Scrawny,
Over the past eight years a multitude of locations have been considered, including closer to the water. There are a number of issues that eliminated it from this concept, including but not limited to:


We don't get sufficient tidal movement in WA for it to adequately flush the pool on a daily basis;
Having it next to the groyne, given the storm conditions we get in WA would mean that for a large part of winter it would be full of sand and seaweed, therefore defeating the purpose of it being a place for safe winter swimming;
Whilst you may agree or disagree, local government requires that we consider the possible implications of global warming, and therefore have to allow for a 1m+ rise in ocean levels; and
Initial feedback from local government suggested that we would mean considerable resistance if we tried to build it on the sandy part of the beach as it would be seen to be taking usable beach area away from the people.

Other limitations around the location include environmental constraints, native title, and others. All this being said the proposed location is only a conceptual one, and the location may change based up on the feedback provided.

They are much better if they are exposed. Love swimming at icebergs. I can't see the point of having a normal swimming pool on the beach. If it's just a normal swimming pool, they should make it 50m for proper laps, and have more lanes. This would probably mean it would need to be in a different location of course.

Great idea for location btw JWPJ.

We would like to make it 50m if possible, but given the constraints of the dunes, beach, etc outlined in the above response it was thought that 33m was a good compromise. But again, this is only a concept and if there is support from the public for 50m and the contraints can be managed, then it could possibly be increased during the design stage.

Its a good idea they should build it, its not taking anything great away from whats there now either.

Just wondering, what links do you have to this, CottBeachPool? :|

(i mean in real life, not ones you click)

Hi Hayds

The Cottesloe Beach Pool Committee is a group of Cottesloe residents and others who have volunteered our time and worked collaboratively on this concept for the past eighteen months after having joined the original vision team that developed the concept ten years ago. We have a range of skills and experience including law, urban planning, development, capital raising, and PR. There are more details on the group on the website www.cottbeachpool.com.au

Scrawny,

Initial feedback from local government suggested that we would mean considerable resistance if we tried to build it on the sandy part of the beach as it would be seen to be taking usable beach area away from the people.
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This is what pisses me off about Perth. We have thousands of Kms of UNUSED coastline but I have no doubt the above statement is true even though effectively you will be replacing one 'usable' space with another usable space. In fact the space you provide is likely to be even more usable due to its unique nature. God forbid we take up precious patch of sand from those self proclaimed owners.

Anyway good luck.

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Increased densities and high rise on Cottesloe beach would be a great match for this.

More residents, a few more small bars and restaurants, a new ocean side pool, some high density residential, and Cottesloe will finally be taking advantage of it's potential.

Thanks for your response.

Scrawny,
Over the past eight years a multitude of locations have been considered, including closer to the water. There are a number of issues that eliminated it from this concept, including but not limited to:

1. We don't get sufficient tidal movement in WA for it to adequately flush the pool on a daily basis;


There are other relatively cheap ways to flush the pool directly into the ocean. What about outlet valves or vents?


2. Having it next to the groyne, given the storm conditions we get in WA would mean that for a large part of winter it would be full of sand and seaweed, therefore defeating the purpose of it being a place for safe winter swimming;


Again isn't this a surmountable design issue? Perhaps higher walls?


3. Whilst you may agree or disagree, local government requires that we consider the possible implications of global warming, and therefore have to allow for a 1m+ rise in ocean levels; and


I believe that 1m is over 100years? If you had a problem in 30 years you could just increase the height of the walls by a foot or so? That would be a quite cheap fix.


4. Initial feedback from local government suggested that we would mean considerable resistance if we tried to build it on the sandy part of the beach as it would be seen to be taking usable beach area away from the people.


Yes, I agree with you that it would be unwise to locate it on the sand.


Other limitations around the location include environmental constraints, native title, and others. All this being said the proposed location is only a conceptual one, and the location may change based up on the feedback provided.

We would like to make it 50m if possible, but given the constraints of the dunes, beach, etc outlined in the above response it was thought that 33m was a good compromise. But again, this is only a concept and if there is support from the public for 50m and the contraints can be managed, then it could possibly be increased during the design stage.

As i mentioned above, my experience with ocean pools in sydney is that a large majority of the users will be lap swimmers. The pool you have proposed will be extremely popular and will probably require some lap only/ leisure only restrictions. Is that the intention?

Looks like design by committee of the worst kind...

GREAT IDEA: Let's have an ocean pool!

Lawyer: Oh but what about the liability implications of...
Local Councillor: Haven't you considered the negative impacts on local residents....
Environmentalist: But if we don't mitigate the potential impacts of...
Public Relations: And it will be disastrous if we don't make it look like we're...
Investor: Oh and I'd need a year-on-year return of at least...

END RESULT: A swimming pool in a stupid location.

That said if it was built I'd still think it was pretty neat.

As i mentioned above, my experience with ocean pools in sydney is that a large majority of the users will be lap swimmers. The pool you have proposed will be extremely popular and will probably require some lap only/ leisure only restrictions. Is that the intention?

Yes, the intention is that the pool would for at least part of the time be utilised by lap swimmers, especially children, less able bodied swimmers, elderly, winter swimmers and sporting groups, in addition to the general public.

Increased densities and high rise on Cottesloe beach would be a great match for this.

More residents, a few more small bars and restaurants, a new ocean side pool, some high density residential, and Cottesloe will finally be taking advantage of it's potential.

Looks like design by committee of the worst kind...

GREAT IDEA: Let's have an ocean pool!

Lawyer: Oh but what about the liability implications of...
Local Councillor: Haven't you considered the negative impacts on local residents....
Environmentalist: But if we don't mitigate the potential impacts of...
Public Relations: And it will be disastrous if we don't make it look like we're...
Investor: Oh and I'd need a year-on-year return of at least...

END RESULT: A swimming pool in a stupid location.

DR, your post comes across as outstandingly negative. I prefer Nates version of things.

More residents, a few more small bars and restaurants, a new ocean side pool, some high density residential, and Cottesloe will finally be taking advantage of it's potential.

:cheers:

Is there a world championship for 33m pools? If not, creating one for the Cottesloe Pool can be as iconic as the Rottnest Channel Swim!

The ironic thing about choosing Cott for a pool is that even with a proper lap pool many people would still rather the ocean, shark paranoia aside the water is always pretty good in this area for doing laps. Long stretches in Spring/Summer/Autumn with perfect swimming conditions but i guess that cant beat a year round pool option for laps.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vH1zPtOWv3U/S7FxEDGTDEI/AAAAAAAADE0/qN0AyfWiDJQ/s1600/morning+swim.jpg

an article from 2004, i like the raised boardwalk thing too that doubles as shade.


A new pool for Cottesloe Beach?
Liam Bartlett
Wednesday, 1 December 2004


http://www.abc.net.au/wa/stories/m982974.jpg http://www.abc.net.au/wa/stories/m982973.jpg
very popular with kids in the 60's

The site of the new Olympic sized seawater pool would be where the children's pool is now. The current children's pool (now unused) at Cottesloe was built in the 60s and was filled for about 30 years.

A group of keen Cottesloe swimmers is keen to create a seawater Olympic sized swimming pool down at Perth's most famous beach.

There is a precedent. There are 30 of these seawater pools around Sydney.

Tom Locke is from the Cottesloe Pool Action Group. He says the Cottesloe pool would be fully pumped. The old pool is the site for Tom's proposal. He says it's a very hot site and on hot days most people head down to the water and don't use that area of the beach.

Tom says there is community support for the project which would cost about $500,000 which they are prepared to raise.

The pool would be especially used by the elderly, children and people with disabilities.


original article http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/common/printfriendly.pl?http://www.abc.net.au/wa/stories/s1255730.htm

@Hayds, the water can get pretty rough at cottesloe even in late spring/early autumn.

They need to do what they've done in Croatia. I was in Hvar a few weeks ago and along the main bit of the coast it's a mixture of untouched beach, enclosed swimming areas, and beachside bars.

+1 to a pitcher of Mojito, literally on the beach.

Look...who wants a Great White as company ? So a horizon pool can be high......any height ! I only came here because I thought budgies might be about........nice pool....Budgies are Australian birds : )

You're a strange man, I suppose you're talking about speedos?

I have no idea what your trying to say there

^I think Redbaron saw 'beach pool' in a thread title and hoped that the topic would include people in budgie smugglers.

He only visits us for the rude bits.

+1 to a pitcher of Mojito, literally on the beach.

Can get behind this idea whole heartedly.