...on the north side of the Bremner as you can see it.
Goodbye Auschwitz kinda like driving range in the middle
of the town:
We are NOW closed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150002.jpg
No trespassing
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150003.jpg
HVE now 43 storeys
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150015.jpg
Rise baby rise
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150014.jpg
Now on the both side...HASTA LA VISTA BABY !!!!!!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150013.jpg
View from the west one pool...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150012.jpg
Kaiser und Koenig:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150011.jpg
HVE hights...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150010.jpg
His majesty:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150008.jpg
Almost twins...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150004.jpg
Thank you Toronto !!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150005.jpg
West one beaches:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150006.jpg
And for the end the "CONSTRUCTION BEAUTY"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/KAISER%20UND%20KOENIG/PA150007.jpg

Great

Thanks for the pictures

Yeah! Great news. Those fences are hideous.

Thanks for the pics Istrian....i see you were out with your camera....did you or anyone else for that matter happen to get any pics of the sunset yesterday? it was unfucking believable as I was heading west on the 401 at about 6:15pm.

Thanks for the pics Istrian....i see you were out with your camera....did you or anyone else for that matter happen to get any pics of the sunset yesterday? it was unfucking believable as I was heading west on the 401 at about 6:15pm.

Wasn't maybe something like this:

OMG what a sunset! Great pics Istrian. Thank god they're getting rid of that huge horrible fence, since it took me hours to explain to some visiting relatives what they were for.:D

I think using future development sites at Cityplace as a golf centre was brilliant...not only did it help them sell units by making it less of a derilect area, it brought people down there rather than just have a big blank site to have to look at while it waited to be developed. I'm sure it was a rather expensive thing to do to temporarily gussy up the site, but it seemed popular and the fees they collected probably offset that costs....maybe they even made a profit??

Speaking of expanding...has anyone noticed how the development has grown in scope a lot since it was first envisioned? In the begining, the number of units was around 5000 units...then it went to 6500...then it went to 7500 units...now I hear it quoted as 10,000 units when completed.




KGB

WASN'T MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ???


thank you...that was exactly what i was looking for...

[QUOTE=KGB]I think using future development sites at Cityplace as a golf centre was brilliant...not only did it help them sell units by making it less of a derilect area, it brought people down there rather than just have a big blank site to have to look at while it waited to be developed. I'm sure it was a rather expensive thing to do to temporarily gussy up the site, but it seemed popular and the fees they collected probably offset that costs....maybe they even made a profit??

Speaking of expanding...has anyone noticed how the development has grown in scope a lot since it was first envisioned? In the begining, the number of units was around 5000 units...then it went to 6500...then it went to 7500 units...now I hear it quoted as 10,000 units when completed.

You are absolutely right about the usage of that terrain KGB. By the way, maybe there will be even more than 10000 units; who knows
what's gonna happen with Signature etc...

Always had a great time at the driving range.

"now I hear it quoted as 10,000 units when completed."

Cool - the more the better

Great shots. Thanks.

i wish i was living in toronto right now!

Nice photos. Thanks for the update.

I have a concern with Bremmner blvd. As I understand, it's suppose to connect with Bathurst and Fleet St? If that's the case, then it will be like a highway slicing through the lands of Cityplace West. Just imagine all those commuters who will try to avoid the backups at the Spadina on-ramp and just zoom down Bremmner instead to hook up with the LakeShore further west.

How are they are going to handle this? The last thing you want is for Bremmner to become a major communter route to get to the Gardiner/Lakeshore.

Also, there appears to be a somewhat newer rendering of Cityplace on their website. I hope the buildings west of West One aren't all the same height as depicted.

^ I wouldn't want Bremner to become a "highway", although some actual traffic on the street would make it seem a little more busy and vibrant rather than being virtually empty unless there's a game going on at the skydome.

With some more cars and more people - just the increase in activity will help out the dead street in my opinion.

I still think Cityplace is way to spread out.

"I have a concern with Bremmner blvd. As I understand, it's suppose to connect with Bathurst and Fleet St? If that's the case, then it will be like a highway slicing through the lands of Cityplace West. Just imagine all those commuters who will try to avoid the backups at the Spadina on-ramp and just zoom down Bremmner instead to hook up with the LakeShore further west."

Spadina is the last westbound ramp to the gardiner for miles that is open during rush hour. Bremner connects with Fort York Blvd which intersects with Lakeshore and at the interescetion a 'no right turn on a red light' sign in addition to a long red light (both already in place?)would keep people away from using it

That's a big hole for West One. Are they going to build all three buildings right away? As for Bremmner, I'd like to see it actually look like a residential street with some shops and services at the street level. That would make it feel more like a complete neighbourhood.

I still think Cityplace is way to spread out.

Are you serious? Matrix and Apex have four buildings lined up in a row very tightly. The views out one tower look practically straight into the next - those gaps between towers are not large.

HVE seems to be packed in more tightly than I originally anticipated. The gao between building A and C is not large at all and the loft building has very small gaps between it and the A & B towers. Buildings C & D are also fairly close and then in the middle you have the Superclub and 6 townhomes. That is a lot of units on a small footprint with 3 or the 4 towers plus the loft building constructed right at the property line along the street.

Where the hell is all the extra space because it's too spread out?

Are you serious? Matrix and Apex have four buildings lined up in a row very tightly. The views out one tower look practically straight into the next - those gaps between towers are not large.

HVE seems to be packed in more tightly than I originally anticipated. The gao between building A and C is not large at all and the loft building has very small gaps between it and the A & B towers. Buildings C & D are also fairly close and then in the middle you have the Superclub and 6 townhomes. That is a lot of units on a small footprint with 3 or the 4 towers plus the loft building constructed right at the property line along the street.

Where the hell is all the extra space because it's too spread out?

The the buildings along Front are fine, the rest of the cluster from looking at the model appears to be a lot less closer together, especially when most likely the downtown core could possible expand westward to enclude cityplace. Seriously, even comparing the space between apexs & matrixs vs the rest of the complex, there is a big difference. Even in the sales kit that you get when you visit the sales office, you get an overhead map of cityplace and its pretty spread out for MY liking. I guess my fear is that it'll feel to much like a surburan condo community, like driving past some of the ones in Miami (but not as bad/ ie. retail, etc.).

http://www.livingincityplace.com/images/locmap-s.jpg

In terms of units per acre or density, it's pretty high. It just doesn't have a "streetwall" effect. It's also not very mixed-use...almost all of the square footage of Cityplace are condos. The streetwall effect on Front is pretty good...but that is the exception to Cityplace...not the rule.

It will just end up being a much nicer version of St Jamestown...high density highrise living...not very mixed-use within it's boundaries, but well connected to it outside of it's boundaries.

It's more isolationist than conformist.

It will add to the vibrancy of the rest of downtown, but everybody else isn't going to get much out of Cityplace.






KGB

On the whole, it is a good developement. Increasing the number of people living downtown is the best way to keep downtown from falling into the kind of urban wasteland that many N.American downtowns become.

In the grand scheme of things, Cityplace is not much of a factor at keeping downtown Toronto vibrant and residential....the sheer amount of residential that was already there, and the sheer amount of residential being built elsewhere in downtown is much larger than Cityplace.

Cityplace does turn a former railway yard into both a residential area, plus will be adding to the skyline...both great things...but the downtown never went to the old railway lands (because there wasn't anything there)...and nobody will be going to Cityplace much beyond the people who live there. In this sense, Cityplace really fails.






KGB

I heard somewhere that the city is worried about cityplace being too St. Jamestown-ish, and that's why they're pressing for higher podiums and better street walls for the Fort York developments. Anyone know anything about this?

Hey has anyone ever seen this rendering of the signature tower in the skyline?
http://www.sustainability.ca/Docs/Toronto%20Skyline.jpg
http://www.sustainability.ca/index.cfm?body=SourceView.cfm&ID=535

@ alex_h1... yeah I heard that from somewhere once...I'm not too worried though...

The signature tower looks nice but it's not gonna be that tall :(

Cityplace does turn a former railway yard into both a residential area, plus will be adding to the skyline...both great things...but the downtown never went to the old railway lands (because there wasn't anything there)...and nobody will be going to Cityplace much beyond the people who live there. In this sense, Cityplace really fails.

KGB


Can we be sure of that right now though? There will be a supposedly nice park and their still is time to work out the retail issues.

I hate that freaking Signature tower! It's a freaking dildo! Where are we supposed to stick this thing? Some kind of metaphor for how senior levels of governments treat Toronto?

"Can we be sure of that right now though? There will be a supposedly nice park and their still is time to work out the retail issues."


A park, as well as some other neighbourhood amenities are a given...but are people going to be flocking to Cityplace for any recreational, cultural or retail reasons...I doubt it...sounds like it will just cater to the people who will liver there. With 15,000 or so population, there's enough neighbourhood population to sustain retail...but probably just necessities like drug stores, grocery stores, video rentals, dentists offices, etc. But I would imagine when those 15,000 people really want to go shopping or go out for a meal, a drink or to be entertained, they will be heading to the established areas not far from Cityplace...I don't see people who don't live at Cityplace treating it as an alternative to Queen St or anything.

The best they can hope for is a few places that take advantage of the crowds that head out of Skydome (if they even head west accross Spadina to the new road, which I doubt they will)







"Some kind of metaphor for how senior levels of governments treat Toronto?"

Are Be...just let it go....the senior levels of governemtn are always going to be a source of trouble...no matter who is there. Why not start not basing everything on that and enjoy life a little?








KGB

I hate that freaking Signature tower! It's a freaking dildo! Where are we supposed to stick this thing? Some kind of metaphor for how senior levels of governments treat Toronto?

:bash:

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A park, as well as some other neighbourhood amenities are a given...but are people going to be flocking to Cityplace for any recreational, cultural or retail reasons...I doubt it...sounds like it will just cater to the people who will liver there. With 15,000 or so population, there's enough neighbourhood population to sustain retail...but probably just necessities like drug stores, grocery stores, video rentals, dentists offices, etc. But I would imagine when those 15,000 people really want to go shopping or go out for a meal, a drink or to be entertained, they will be heading to the established areas not far from Cityplace...I don't see people who don't live at Cityplace treating it as an alternative to Queen St or anything.


Yeah, thats what I fear. Cityplace will be like those gated condo communitties that you drive by in Miami. We'll, I guess you can also drive through these ones to get to where you are going.

I hate that freaking Signature tower! It's a freaking dildo! Where are we supposed to stick this thing? Some kind of metaphor for how senior levels of governments treat Toronto?

Do you need some help? Will it remind you of a bad experience back when you were in band camp and ......

"Do you need some help? Will it remind you of a bad experience back when you were in band camp and ......"


Well, that would fit the pattern...are be has "deep homosexual panic" written all over him.






"Yeah, thats what I fear. Cityplace will be like those gated condo communitties"

Well, I don't think it will be that bad at all...it just won't be much of a destination.






KGB

Aren’t all condos gated communities?

"Aren’t all condos gated communities?"

Any private residential unit with a front door would be a "gated community" then....doesn't everybody have restricted entry?

I would call your forum a good example of a gated community. he he






KGB

Well it keeps some of the more annoying and irritable forum members out. But at 900 members I would hardly call it exclusive.

Since when is a single residence a community? A community is made up of different residential units, therefore a condo with its multiple units and private access is a gated community is it not?

Jails are also gated communities! .... with "deep homosexual panic" written all over them!
Reminds me of band camp.....

Oh-- cityplace has a new building ' the Gallery' on the web page -- West One Two, after all, is a freaking stupid name.

^The added another building to project on the same site?

Anyone have any idea what the gallery is? The website is very vague.
http://www.cityplace.ca/images/gw1.jpg
^The new rendering. There's a huge gap there but Signature looks really tall. Put Sapphire on the Cityplace side and we have a more balanced skyline!

The Gallery is just a loft tower of probably 8 stories.

Anyone have any idea what the gallery is? The website is very vague.
http://www.cityplace.ca/images/gw1.jpg
^The new rendering. There's a huge gap there but Signature looks really tall. Put Sapphire on the Cityplace side and we have a more balanced skyline!

I agree, that gap is really bothersome. Perfect place for a supertall. Those measures can't be completely correct, however. I think the scale between the buildings of CityPlace is about right, but compare Signature to FCP. It just doesn't add up even if it supposed to be a bit closer.

Not much can be done with that gap since it's Spadina.

Gallery is 38 storeys
http://www.simplycondos.com/condos/toronto/floorplans2/westone/wstonefl.gif

^ shown here at the top left. Kind of dissapointing imo. The building has basically the same floorplate as West One/HVI & HVII. Not much variety in style.

Cityplace = Little Vancouver.

Does anybody knows anything about the layout of the buildings on the north-west corner of Spadina & Bremner ?

It says "The Gallery" is underconstruction. So it's most likly the loft buildings. Condo sales have really been picking up in the last couple of months so it looks like we may finally see some new stuff being marketed this december.

Link: http://www.gthba.com/media/stat0409.htm

Toronto—There were 3,239 new homes and condominiums sold in the Greater Toronto Area in September, which represents a seasonal 11 per cent increase over this August and a modest 8 per cent decrease compared with September, 2003, Mark Parsons, president of the Greater Toronto Home Builders' Association said today.

Parsons noted that the high-rise condominium market exhibited particular strength in September, rising by 46 percent compared with September, 2003.

“As this year has progressed, the low-rise and high-rise markets have begun to trend quite differently. Total high-rise sales have surged ahead by 28 per cent this year based on affordability and choice while total low-rise sales have declined by 6 per cent due to a combination of low inventories and higher land costs,” Parsons said.

For the month of September, low-rise homes took 64 per cent of the market while high-rise apartments accounted for a 36 per cent market share. Year to date, low-rise homes have accounted for 69 per cent of all new home sales with high-rise at 31 per cent of the market.

The GTA new home price index remained steady in September at $343,935 for low-rise homes and $261,896 for high-rise condominiums. The index is essentially the average asking price of all the remaining new homes and condos currently available for sale, as calculated by RealNet Canada Inc., the GTHBA’s independent source of new home market information. The index is based on currently available new home offerings, weighted by remaining inventory, for projects of 15 or more units, excluding ultra-luxury product across the GTA.

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Toronto sold 971 condos in September. Up 76% from September of 2003. :>