Do people not understand what a CEO is, or a leader for that matter?

Do people not understand what a CEO is, or a leader for that matter?

someone who fraudulently fucks his best friend out of an equal share of a company, and then doesn't get sued because his best friend cares more about friendship and the betrayal of trust than money? funny isn't it how the woz is the one loved and adored by apple fans above all today (he was back then too)? can't imagine why jobs will have fucked him ;) can't think of any other CEOs who actually stand up and claim they invented shit they didn't. imagine for example if alan sugar were like steve jobs. alan sugar never claimed to have invented anything amstrad made, perhaps he should have stood up and claimed to have invented some things and modelled himself as some innovative inventor and tech guru.

All that may be true but he was the undoubted figurehead of the company, and seems to have been the driving force behind its astonishing rise, with a brand recognition that must surely rank as one of the top 5 in the world.

Do people not understand what a CEO is, or a leader for that matter?
Most of the internet do not, it appears, since so many people seem to directly credit Jobs as the inventor and creative mind behind the design and innovation that has come out of Apple since his return.

i care little about apple, their products, steve jobs, and what ceos do

however, it's hard not to notice the mass hysteria that guy was able to create whenever they were launching a product, now that he's passed away you hear what a great visionary and myriad of other superlatives about him

i learnt about Jony Ive's existence 5 minutes before i made my post above

What did Jobs do then?

He was a businessman. Good at it. Made money (a bit of it from me, not for a good value product either, I felt ripped off and never bought apple again). Got power. Got cancer. Died in middle age. Not an unusual story really. If I cry for every middle aged person I have never met who dies of cancer I will be so busy weeping I won't be able to eat or sleep and might get cancer myself, so I'll just be noting this as a news event.

Well, I think Steve Jobs does deserve a lot of credit for Apple's success.

If he had been with the company his whole life, it would have been actually harder to credit him for this.

Fact is, that during the decade long stretch in which Steve Jobs was out, Apple almost died out as a company. I remember distinctly in the mid to late 1990's what a joke Apple had become, how distinctly lame, uncool, and overpriced it's products were. Nobody was buying Macs. Everyone hated them and their dwindling fan boys. I fully expected them to die out.

So they brought Jobs back in the late 1990's and it was absolutely amazing how he turned the company around. Not just in its traditional computer business, but then later inventing new products like the iPod, iPad, and iPhone. They just went from hit to hit to hit.

‘Arab-Syrian pride’ kept Steve Jobs estranged father from reaching out
Thu 06 Oct 2011

http://kataeb.org/getImage.aspx?imageName=/kpanel/pictures/articles/111006025352290.jpg&width=324&height=18000

Steve Jobs’ biological father wanted to make contact with his son before his untimely death but said his “Syrian pride” prevented him from doing so. On Wednesday, upon hearing the news of his son’s passing, he told the media he had “no comment.”

Abdel-Fattah Jandali, the biological father of the legendary Apple founder, an 80-year-old Syrian-American Muslim and former political science professor, now living in Nevada, had expressed regret at giving up his son for adoption and had hoped the two could meet before it was too late.......

......Jandali was a political science student from Homs at the American University of Beirut when he met Carole Schieble, an American graduate student. In 1955, when Jobs was born, the young couple was unmarried. According to Jandali, Schieble’s conservative father forbade her from marrying him, leading her to give their son up for adoption. The baby was adopted by Paul and Clara Jobs, and was named Steve.

In an interview with The Sun in August, Jandali had expressed his desire to meet his son.

To read the full note please click here (http://kataeb.org/EN/News/205170)

Do Steve Jobs' comments about death being humanity's greatest invention (?) "change agent" make anyone else feel sick?


That just me? :banana:

Yes, kiddo. Weird stuff. And said because, at that moment in time, Jobs didn't think he was dying. I'd guess.

my fave story about jobs is either him throwing a glass of water at an employee's head, storming into the headquarters of sun micro systems to shout abuse at the CEO because he is too busy to see steve immediately, or flashing his wang at women during job interviews. there's also the "jokes" he'd play on unsuspecting job applicants of offering them a senior position and then when they turn up for work telling them he wasn't serious and it was all a joke.

Something tells me that gothicform doesn't like Steve Jobs.

^ i'm getting mixed signals.

would he really flash his wang at women though? what a cock.

:bowtie:

^ i'm getting mixed signals.

would he really flash his wang at women though? what a cock.

:bowtie:

haha yeah. sad but true. liked to wear shorts in hot weather... without any underwear... and then deliberately uncross his legs exposing himself under the desk to women. he only EVER did it to female applicants.

my fave story about jobs is either him throwing a glass of water at an employee's head, storming into the headquarters of sun micro systems to shout abuse at the CEO because he is too busy to see steve immediately, or flashing his wang at women during job interviews. there's also the "jokes" he'd play on unsuspecting job applicants of offering them a senior position and then when they turn up for work telling them he wasn't serious and it was all a joke.

[citation needed]

Mostly because those stories sound awesome and I want to read more.

haha yeah. sad but true. liked to wear shorts in hot weather... without any underwear... and then deliberately uncross his legs exposing himself under the desk to women. he only EVER did it to female applicants.

What were the women doing under the desk?

What were the women doing under the desk?

great thing about glass desks... you can see through them! :lol:

anyway, the book to read on steve jobs is 'the second coming of steve jobs'.

Well, yes. There is that.

haha yeah. sad but true. liked to wear shorts in hot weather... without any underwear... and then deliberately uncross his legs exposing himself under the desk to women. he only EVER did it to female applicants.

Maybe the ladies liked it though. :dunno:

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They even made Anime cameos...

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/08/1977_wozniak_and_jobs.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/eurekaseven/images/d/df/Jobs.pnghttp://images.wikia.com/eurekaseven/images/f/f8/Woz8wi.jpg

Woz and Jobs, Eureka 7

sooooo true

http://i.imgur.com/DjqMN.jpg

bill gates is eradicating malaria?

bill gates is eradicating malaria?

yup, or rather his money. the money he gives to public health projects a year is equivalent to the world health organisation budget!

sooooo true

I'm sure the tributes for Bill Gates will far surpass those of Jobs.

I'm sure the tributes for Bill Gates will far surpass those of Jobs.

dont think it will sadly,

I think they will, when I think of Bill Gates I now think of his charity giving more than his computer work. That as his guest appearance of Frasier.

He will do a lot more good before he dies, and it'll all be remembered.

I payed my last respects to Steve today by downloading iOS 5.







I then stamped on his grave my jailbreaking it.

:troll:

Hi Steve,

Xerox called, they wanted to talk to you about the OS you ‘designed’ a few decades ago.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15400984

Steve Jobs vowed to 'destroy' Android

Steve Jobs said he wanted to destroy Android and would spend all of Apple's money and his dying breath if that is what it took to do so.

The full extent of his animosity towards Google's mobile operating system is revealed in a forthcoming authorised biography.

Mr Jobs told author Walter Isaacson that he viewed Android's similarity to iOS as "grand theft".

Apple is suing several smartphone makers which use the Android software.

According to extracts of Mr Isaacson's book, obtained by the Associated Press, Mr Jobs said: "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

He is also quoted as saying: "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."

Sour times

Apple enjoyed a close relationship with Google prior to the launch of the Android system. Google products, including maps and search formed a key part of the iPhone's ecosystem.

At that time, Google's chief executive, now chairman, Eric Schmidt also sat on the board of Apple.

However, relations began to sour when Google unveiled Android in November 2007, 10 months after the iPhone first appeared.

In subsequent years Apple rejected a number of Google programs from its App store, forcing the company to create less-integrated web app versions.
Android has subsequently enjoyed rapid adoption and now accounts for around 48% of global smartphone shipments, compared to 19% for Apple.

But its growth has not gone uncontested. Apple has waged an aggressive proxy-war against Android, suing a number of the hardware manufacturers which have adopted it for their tablets and smartphones.

Motorola was one of the first to be targeted, although it is Samsung that has borne the brunt of Mr Jobs' ire.

The South Korean firm is currently banned from selling its Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia and Germany because of a combination of patent infringements and "look and feel" similarities. A smartphone ban is also pending in the Netherlands.

Samsung it counter-suing Apple for infringing, it claims, several wireless technology patents which it holds the rights to.

would that be the same android mobile operating system launched in 2003 that google purchased in 2005 and announced in late 2006 before the iphone surfaced?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Foundation

android predates iphone o/s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS#History

jobs it seems, really did believe his own fucking bullshit. apple couldn't even called it iOS like they originally wanted as cisco used that already! they couldn't even come up with an original name to trademark.

as far as the suing goes it's hilarious actually. samsung lose their cases because although the court agrees that apple infringed their patents their patents are essential so they should license them to apple for a reasonable cost. that apple hasn't tried to get a license for them is neither here nor there. samsung lose when apple sues them for infringing their patents as the patents samsung has infringed are non essential (like having curved corners on a phone!). apple has no legal requirement to license them as they are non essential so can get an injunction to prevent the sale of a samsung device as a result. pretty twisted in my book.

Jobs didn't have an issue with Android (the product) at all.

He was unhappy about them using Apples style and ideas in that shitty OS Google came up with.

And he didn't even want them to compensate Apple. All he wanted was for them to stop using Apple look and feel.

Jobs didn't have an issue with Android (the product) at all.

He was unhappy about them using Apples style and ideas in that shitty OS Google came up with.

And he didn't even want them to compensate Apple. All he wanted was for them to stop using Apple look and feel.

what look and feel would that be that ummm... predates iOS? go on, let's hear it. an arrangement of icons perhaps in a grid? hardly unique. why not read the patent hearings. they are hilarious actually.

"I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want." According to the author, the meeting did little to cool tensions between the two companies.

...

...

:lol: like twitter integration, setting up the phone without a pc, wireless sync, drag down notification centre, widgets? i can go on and on all day. i'd love to know WHAT unique features iOS boasted. a list please. the best they've been able to do is say "your phone looks the same as ours because it has rounded corners" because no one ever did a flat screen with rounded corners before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3949GAIokg&NR=1

arthur c clarke called, he wants to sue apple for patent infringement. imagine if he had been a patent troll - he'd have patented the idea of geostationary satellite systems and gone on from there. even stuff like icons and thumbnail images on computers were conceived by him. siri? well that would be the electrosectretary in "a fall to moondust". the control screen he came up with for "childhood's end" and a central computer with cloud storage at the heart of a network was conceptualised for "the city and the stars". as for the tablet, he called it a "newspad" and strangely it looked almost like the ipad, with just a few more buttons on the bottom.

:lol: like twitter integration, setting up the phone without a pc, wireless sync, drag down notification centre, widgets? i can go on and on all day. i'd love to know WHAT unique features iOS boasted. a list please. the best they've been able to do is say "your phone looks the same as ours because it has rounded corners" because no one ever did a flat screen with rounded corners before.

oh well, I guess Steve must have made it all up then. Not sure why he would bother to make something like that up when he could put his hands on more cash than pretty much anyone else on the planet... defies logic

oh well, I guess Steve must have made it all up then. Not sure why he would bother to make something like that up when he could put his hands on more cash than pretty much anyone else on the planet... defies logic

he did make it up though... or liked to appropriate others ideas as his own, and then believe they were ripping him off. read the history of android. it starts before iOS doesn't it? why do you think apple is receiving such mockery from around the world - they are claiming they invented the wheel basically. unfortunately for them you can see in 2001 there was an example long before apple came along.

i really recommend you read the second coming of steve jobs.

this is what an android homescreen looks like. remember you can move any/all icons off it, and put any widgets on it but that's the standard out of the box.

http://cdn.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/dell_venue_android_0.jpg

vs iOS start screen.

http://www.jailbreaknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/092006-ios_4_home_screen.jpg

now, it IS possible to configure your start screen to be the same as an iphone but so what? you can do it any way you want.

with all due respect, that looks shit. Well... not very good then...

with all due respect, that looks shit.

hardly patent infringement though is it as they are rather different. jobs clearly believed that apple had basically invented a grid of icons on a phone.

It's not my fight. I know about how brilliant Apple are and how shit the 'copies' are... call me shallow.

Apple design seems to have taken inspiration from Braun. Here is the Braun T3 transistor radion from 1958 next to an original i-pod.


http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/09/ipod-comp.jpg

Interesting article here.

http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future

yeah and the iphone has spookily similar dimensions etc to the sinclair executive calculator. even has the same strip of space on the top and bottom of it.

Apple design seems to have taken inspiration from Braun. Here is the Braun T3 transistor radion from 1958 next to an original i-pod.


http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/09/ipod-comp.jpg

Interesting article here.

http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future

Jonathan Ive has said this himself. We are all inspired. Apple never made an electric shaver. Google had never made a phone...

Jonathan Ive has said this himself. We are all inspired. Apple never made an electric shaver. Google had never made a phone...

apple had never made a phone either until they did! planning started several years AFTER android began.

...and why do people always point to the iPod and think that it was a defining moment in Apples history. The true hero of that particular hour was iTunes. Love it or loathe it (and it's DRM) that was a masterstroke.

Steve Jobs Regretted Wasting Time on Alternative Medicine

Oct 20, 2011 4:46 PM

Everyone else wanted Steve Jobs to move quickly against his tumor. His friends wanted him to get an operation. His wife wanted him to get an operation. But the Apple CEO, so used to swimming against the tide of popular opinion, insisted on trying alternative therapies for nine crucial months. Before he died, Jobs resolved to let the world know he deeply regretted the critical decision, biographer Walter Isaacson has told 60 Minutes.

"We talked about this a lot," Isaacson told 60 Minutes of Jobs's decision to treat a neuroendocrine tumor in his pancreas with an alternative diet rather than medically recommended surgery. "He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it....I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner... He said, 'I didn't want my body to be opened...I didn't want to be violated in that way.'"

The account lends credence to a Harvard cancer researcher we quoted in a controversial post last week.

Ramzi Amri, a Fullbright scholar researching neuroendocrine tumors at the Harvard Medical School and at Massachusetts General Hospital, said the tumors of the subtype Jobs is believed to have contracted are "relatively mild" and very survivable if detected early. But Jobs delayed surgery for at least nine months, making it "sound to assume that Mr. Jobs' choice for alternative medicine has eventually led to an unnecessarily early death."

Read more -- http://gawker.com/5851835/steve-jobs-regretted-wasting-time-on-alternative-medicine

:ohno:

:ohno:

...your smilie suggests disdain. The man made his choice...

Doesn't stop it being a stupid choice.

i hear android is gay.

I have a Mac computer and an iPad and an iPod Touch, but I also like and greatly enjoy my Android phone. I also have a Windows laptop. LOL.

I am happy to report my life is free from Apple products. I even got rid of quick time player as it was bothering me with update crap every day. :bowtie:

I'm not quite sure how he can claim Android to be a rip off... I mean not only did he rip off the work of others, the two are also nothing alike! The claims are supposedly based on look and feel, now I'm sorry but this is my Android phone and I don't see how it looks like iOS in any way!

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8409/androidsc.png

Those green dots look like apples. For sure patented by Apple Inc.

Apple will copyright the word "apple" in its entirety soon. They will sue and as a result we will either have to pay apple every time we eat or talk about apples. Or we can rename them. I recommend roundpears.

I'm happy with my Desire HD anyway.

I'll hopefully get an upgrade by the time the Galaxy S3 (if it comes to the market on time) next year running Ice Cream Sandwich. I quite like the Meego like swipe on the UI for the latest version.

Galaxy S2 is the dogs.

I'll hopefully get an upgrade by the time the Galaxy S3 (if it comes to the market on time) next year running Ice Cream Sandwich. I quite like the Meego like swipe on the UI for the latest version.

Wouldn't bother, it's just an obvious rip of iOS 5, look;

-F_ke3rxopc

:nuts:

Apple will copyright the word "apple" in its entirety soon. They will sue and as a result we will either have to pay apple every time we eat or talk about apples. Or we can rename them. I recommend roundpears.

I dig greatberries.

im589uTchKs

:eek:

You'll find that Android had the drop down notification bar before iOS 5, way before iOS 5.

Steve Jobs / Apple love to claim shit as their innovations. They love to accuse other companies of stealing their ideas, but really, they're guilty of it themselves by blatantly ripping off ideas from other devices.

POT.KETTLE.BLACK

Another reason to despise that shit company.

Blah blah blah

Oh look... now Apple are trying to patent the idea of transferring data between devices using contact-free gestures. Funny, I thought the writers of Minority Report came up with that idea 10 years ago!

God, I hope that company fails miserably. They are holding back innovation massively with their patent trolling.

....try writing a unique algorithm for your next 'idea'. Then come back and tell us about patents

....try writing a unique algorithm for your next 'idea'. Then come back and tell us about patents

that's not what the patent is about. why don't you go and read what it's about? unique stuff there from apple as always.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/242778/apple_patents_new_multitouch_3d_gestures.html

here's one of the things they just patented. 3d mapping! haha. maybe they'll sue virtual planit?

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2011/10/apple-may-have-acquiried-a-company-to-advance-3d-photorealistic-mapping.html

you can find a great blog with all their latest crazy patent shit here. trying to patent music tagging for example (what does last.fm do then?) -

http://www.patentlyapple.com/

the fact is that apple files patents, and then LOSES the majority of them due to prior art and the fact other companies developed them, sometimes years ago. in other words, over half of all patents filed by apple are wrongly filed. what would you call a company that systematically lies and makes up shit over and over, and then uses that shit to get injunctions to stop competitors which have to be overturned in court?

im589uTchKs

:eek:

I skimmed through that. But did Steve Jobs really think that only his computer would be allowed to have a GUI? :hahaha:

Then in the 1990's, when Apple was almost toast, it was Bill Gates that came in and saved them with a $150 million investment.

I skimmed through that. But did Steve Jobs really think that only his computer would be allowed to have a GUI? :hahaha:

Then in the 1990's, when Apple was almost toast, it was Bill Gates that came in and saved them with a $150 million investment.

yes. apple really did sue to try and stop all other computers from having a GUI, because of course no one had a GUI before apple and apple invented the GUI, right? the GUI concept was invented largely by rank xerox and arthur c clarke in the sixties and seventies.

all that bullshit about apple inventing the first modern computer. really? what the fuck is this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Xerox_8010_compound_document.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star

incidentally, when steve jobs visited the PARC development centre he was impressed at the graphical capabilities of what they could, and didn't give a shit about the networking and ethernet abilities which was almost as fully developed as windows nt would end up with 15 years later. tells you everything you need to know about him. good at identifying shiny things, not so good at the other stuff.

:lol: stupid apple.

....try writing a unique algorithm for your next 'idea'. Then come back and tell us about patents
You mean something unique, as in a thing nobody has done before? Can't I just watch a sci-fi film from ten years ago, claim the idea as my own, patent it and then sue anyone who tries to use it? Or just go to somebody else's office and patent whatever they are working on? Or just buy it?

Hang on a minute, nobody has patented the concept of life! It might have been done before one or two times, but if I patent it quickly I can threaten everyone with court. I bet some of them would pay up before it was thrown out.

well... if you can write a unique algorithm for it, then you might have something worth the trouble. I could say that I 'invented' a means of traveling through time and space using a police box if I actually could prove that it works... the BBC would have a tough time taking a patent off me.

well... if you can write a unique algorithm for it, then you might have something worth the trouble. I could say that I 'invented' a means of traveling through time and space using a police box if I actually could prove that it works... the BBC would have a tough time taking a patent off me.
Apple don't usually patent the actual method of implementation either. They patent the concept. As an example, they patented the idea of moving your finger(s) across a screen to unlock a device.

Just look at the concept of their proposed patent for touch-free 3D gestures... Their proposal states the need for multiple cameras and infra-red detection to track an object in 3D space, look for a specific gesture and perform an action based on that gesture. Sounds remarkably like Kinect doesn't it?!

Patent trolls who aren't capable of inventing things themselves. Pure and simple.

Oh well. I'm not bothered anyway. As long as it works and feels nice I'm happy.

Oh well. I'm not bothered anyway. As long as it works and feels nice I'm happy.
Even if it costs you twice as much for something that doesn't feel as nice or work as well just because the competition couldn't afford the law suits? Whatever floats your boat.

I only buy the thing that feels the best and works best for me.

I only buy the thing that feels the best and works best for me.
You mustn't own any Apple products then.

I own everything they make I think

I only buy the thing that has the big shiny apple logo on it.

Fixed.

I was in the Apple Store in Covent Garden on Thursday and I can kind of see where some of you guys are coming from. I mean THE PLACE WAS MOBBED by people wanting to buy stuff. I hated it.

I loved it so much more when hardly anyone went in and I practically had the place to myself...

I was in the Apple Store in Covent Garden on Thursday and I can kind of see where some of you guys are coming from. I mean THE PLACE WAS MOBBED by people wanting to buy stuff. I hated it.

I loved it so much more when hardly anyone went in and I practically had the place to myself...
Strange, last time I went in the Manchester Arndale one the only people in there really were just taking advantage of the free internet access. I prefer shops where people go to actually buy things rather than high five each other and check their emails.

Strange, last time I went in the Manchester Arndale one the only people in there really were just taking advantage of the free internet access. I prefer shops where people go to actually buy things rather than high five each other and check their emails.

the covent garden and regent street stores are usually packed. they are horrific experiences, as bammy has come to realise.

the covent garden and regent street stores are usually packed. they are horrific experiences, as bammy has come to realise.
I wasn't questioning the fact the store was packed, the Manchester ones usually are too. I was questioning the idea that it was packed with people wanting to buy things. From what I've seen most of them are fanbois who already bought their iPods and iPads and iPhones on launch day but go to the store daily to check their emails because the logo gives them some sense of belonging.

The apple store is the cheapest internet cafe around.

I wasn't questioning the fact the store was packed, the Manchester ones usually are too. I was questioning the idea that it was packed with people wanting to buy things. From what I've seen most of them are fanbois who already bought their iPods and iPads and iPhones on launch day but go to the store daily to check their emails because the logo gives them some sense of belonging.

you're thinking too much... just enjoy the moment

you're thinking too much... just enjoy the moment
There isn't a moment to enjoy. An Apple store is one of the worst places I've experienced.

...yeah well, thank god there's no such thing as a Windows store. Unless you count PC World. Which of course is fucking brilliant.

All shopping is a horrible experience.

...yeah well, thank god there's no such thing as a Windows store. Unless you count PC World. Which of course is fucking brilliant.
People with any sense don't go into a store to buy appliances. Unfortunately Apple fanbois don't have so much of that. Oh, and I'd agree with you. Windows is nearly as bad as OSX.

People with any sense don't go into a store to buy appliances. Unfortunately Apple fanbois don't have so much of that. Oh, and I'd agree with you. Windows is nearly as bad as OSX.

Nonsense, you need to go to stores to check out what it looks like in real life, admittedly you wouldn't actually buy them from a store, but..

Nonsense, you need to go to stores to check out what it looks like in real life, admittedly you wouldn't actually buy them from a store, but..
If it were clothes or something like that then that would be completely understandable. A couple of photos and a list of the specifications are more than enough to judge most electronic devices. Oh, and reviews too.

"Style my friend, style."

"Style my friend, style."
I've yet to buy an electronic device online that wasn't exactly how I expected it to be, bar the odd problem here or there that happened long after I bought it.

All shopping is a horrible experience.

I agree with that :yes:

http://i.imgur.com/Ca1FP.jpg

i wonder what definition jobs actually has for "flawed as a human being" - it doesn't sound a particularly rational one. what he really means is that gates talked him into letting microsoft borrow a few pre-release apple computers and then MS beat apple to it by releasing windows. apparently at the time jobs went haywire at gates, who pointed out that jobs had done the same with xerox so should shut the fuck up.

That's absolute bollocks.

At that time of the good guy/bad guy exchanges (the late 90's early 00's) Microsoft took very expensive shares in Apple for one reason only.

Microsoft were under ever increasing pressure to add 3rd party s/ware to the very narrow suite of Windows pre-installed stuff. It basically had a virtual monopoly on every business PC in the world. Some people might say this still exists.

Internet Explorer was the easiest target - in a world that at the time included Safari and Navigator.

[This ironically, is very similar to some accusations now levelled at Apple... yet they have always allowed (for example) the Office suite to run on it's OS.]

Microsoft were heading for an incredibly expensive showdown, not just with corporates, but entire nations (including the EU) who were gearing up to imposing massive fines on the company because of its monopolisation.

It eventually led to Gates pulling out of working for a living (he didn't need to anyway - he was at the time the richest man in the world) and Microsoft diminishing drastically.

There could be a debate about this last point though as Gates said at the time Microsoft was simply going to carve itself into smaller pieces. (I forget the exact words as I haven't googled it). Personally I think he got out because he didn't want to take the shit that was headed in Microsofts direction.

Either way Gates was just as commercially minded as Jobs. He was just a bit boring. No crime.

I also think that Gates was admired by Jobs in many ways. He may have even seen him as a commercial role model.

These tablet comparisons are a joke as well... here's a better one:

http://www.cepro.com/images/uploads/star_trek_ipad_300.jpg

they aren't a joke if apple claims to have a design patent for the ipad and someone pulls out a ten year old MS one.


Microsoft were under ever increasing pressure to add 3rd party s/ware to the very narrow suite of Windows pre-installed stuff. It basically had a virtual monopoly on every business PC in the world. Some people might say this still exists.


not their fault IBM dumped os2 and apple had almost destroyed itself. things like KDE and GNOME hadn't been invented. if you read the history it was as much thanks to the incompetence of the competition self destructing as anything that m$ ended up with a complete monopoly.

this is much more accurate article on apple -
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/14/111114fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all

they aren't a joke if apple claims to have a design patent for the ipad and someone pulls out a ten year old MS one.



not their fault IBM dumped os2 and apple had almost destroyed itself. things like KDE and GNOME hadn't been invented. if you read the history it was as much thanks to the incompetence of the competition self destructing as anything that m$ ended up with a complete monopoly.

Well, I was specifying and buying machines at this time so I can only tell you how I perceived it and how it was written at the time. Apple falling to bits had nothing to do with Microsofts relentless pursuit of monopolisation. Windows basically gave the world the ability to own and run a computer in a commercially viable package. I've absolutely no gripe with Microsoft at all. Apple just did it better.

but they didn't actually monopolise... it's not like they stopped anyone running netscape or lotus notes or whatever. they were found guilty i believe of specifically not including competing products inside windows itself.

they were found guilty i believe of specifically not including competing products inside windows itself

Yes that's exactly right... and how I recall it too.

At the time though, no one really knew how to install their own software, and you certainly could not install anything online - most people only had 28k or 56k dial ups, (if at all!) and even those with faster connex only used them for direct document transfer.

Everything we did came in a box on floppy disks... (we didn't even have CD's) ...most of the stuff you could get was onerous to install, and costly.

Microsoft's error (if you can call it that) was that they supplied an OS, and were preinstalling exclusively Microsoft products on top it, when as you say, there were other alternatives.

That alone led Microsoft to become probably the most powerful company on the planet - far more powerful than Apple are now or ever will be... and Corporates/Governments naturally became frightened of the stranglehold that Microsoft had on their businesses. It was like Microsoft were supplying the air that we breathed because there really was no alternative that wasn't a ball ache to install.

I'm just remembering it the way it was for me, and pretty much everyone I knew.

To be honest, most people today don't know what they're doing when they're installing software.. I bet most using Windows don't know there's a "custom" that lets you choose not to install crap-bar-5-million(tm) or what it really means when their smartphone asks for location and/or address book permission and just blindly clicks on the give treat button like a pavlovan dog.

MS got done for being really agressive in the channel markets and using their position to construct monopolies and to push out and even snuff out competitors. They paid off people like Dell to stick with Windows by offering incredibly cheap licensing deals etc, especially when netbooks originally turned up sporting Linux - now look at them, they are no longer the dirt cheap commodity portable running paired down Linux distros.
They also integrated and wormed IE's grubby little claws all the way through the OS so even if you had downloaded Netscape (while bandwidth was low, apps were still small enough to be downloadable) you would still be using IE somewhere. Using hidden API's and even some that would artificially degrade app performance, causing people to turn to IE out of frustration.

It's quite a bit different to the way Apple used to supply their iLife apps - tho you could easily argue they are going the same abusive way MS went.

Also, the Windows NT kernel (the one that has been beating in the heart of NT versions, 2000, XP, Fista and Win7) was originally co-developed with IBM as a means for replacing DOS. The partnership fell apart, IBM tried to keep pushing OS/2 and MS rechristened their copy of OS/2"NT" (New Technology). Eventually they'd rebuild it to remove any trace of shared code and OS/2 died a death during the Warp era.

i wonder what definition jobs actually has for "flawed as a human being" - .

The article(?) above is wrong. It was Gates that said that about Jobs. Gates was right.

I think Jobs was incredible in many ways and his future legacy in technology will be greater than Gates (no telling yet what Gates's legacy will be in treating disease), but even his own wife admitted he was deeply flawed. He was also unquestionably odd, but his oddness wasn't unrelated to the things that made him exceptional.

well at the rate he's going it'll be jonathan ives richer than jobs and i suspect he might even be the one remembered but for the fact jobs made damn sure he wouldn't be taking over from him, the real inventor finally running the company would ruin the jobs myth... he got 499 million dollars from apple this year alone in shares! he's also the guy who actually did the ipod, imac, ipad etc...

you can find numerous interviews with ives on how he'd show something to jobs, and then the next week jobs would be mouthing off to the press he had invented it when it was ives. it was the same way with wozniak. the thing is it seems jobs NEEDED someone who was actually a genius to flog their inventions as being his who would simply go "yeah whatever steve" and then head back to the lab to do more work for apple. without a woz or ives he could dominate, jobs was just completely lost.

it'll be interesting to see if apple can keep the products coming out. i suspect with ives alive, he may show jobs wasn't all that.

...funny how everything else jobs touched turned to gold as well though. Pixar. NeXT (whose operating system he championed, and brought many aspects of it back to Apple). What a parasite...

can't we just agree that Jobs and Gates could both be bellends?

you mean the jobs that hated pixar and wanted to shut it down whilst it was producing toy story, and then fired the CEO and took over after the film was a hit? NeXT which was a fantastic loss making venture that he had to sell to apple to avoid bankruptcy? yeah everything turned to gold. the one thing jobs did on his own without a significant other was NeXT (and it's a pity it never worked out because it was the best thing he did, and also the least successful commercially).

as far as the iMac which saved apple goes, wasn't that under development before jobs returned to apple? ive's was already working at apple too joining in 1992, long before jobs was brought back in, and the project was the first he led as a designer. the iMac would arguably have happened without jobs, i just wonder if it would have made quite the same stir without the man to hype it? that the two occurred at once was a coincidence with the iMac making apple loads of money they could invest in new product lines, but it was a coincidence jobs was happy to take the credit for.

...there are huge gaps in your reporting... take the iMac as one example. This was just a generation beyond the original Macintosh Classic....

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/newsgraphics/2011/0824-steve-jobs-patents-browser/patent_pages_01/jobs_D285687_p2.pngThe Macintosh's iconic one-box design, soon to be unveiled to the general public in December 1983, was outlined in this patent, filed on Oct. 13, 1983.

Inventors: Jerrold C. Manock, Terrell A. Oyama, Steven P. Jobs

Patented: September 16, 1986 Filed: October 13, 1983

Is Ive's name on that list... nope.

He doesn't appear until much much later, almost 15 years later:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/newsgraphics/2011/0824-steve-jobs-patents-browser/patent_pages_01/jobs_D413105_p2.png
Upon returning to Apple in 1997, Jobs began work on the iMac, a new base-level computer that would begin the company's turnaround. Released to the public in August of 1998, the iMac's originally controversial design was outlined in this patent, filed on May 6, 1998.

Description: The ornamental design for a computer enclosure, as shown and described.

Inventors: Steven P. Jobs, Jonathan P. Ive, Daniel J. Coster, Christopher J. Stringer, Daniele De Iuliis, Bart K. Andre, Richard P. Howarth, Calvin Q. Seid, Douglas B. Satzger, Marc J. van de Loo

Patented: August 24, 1999 Filed: May 06, 1998

The differences between the two in functionality are - the disk drive was replaced by a CD tray. The screen was full colour. The mouse was round. Other than a straightforward network link (which the Macintosh had) the new one allows USB and gosh... a direct internet connection! That was THE main selling point of this machine... you could connect straight to the internet. Something we didn't really have in 1986 - and certainly not at home. So it was a machine for home. But did Jobs market it aggressively at home? No - he marketed to schools, and Apple championed education so strongly that they practically owned that market. Was Ives responsible for everything about iMac... there is so much more to this story.

But even that product transformation has huge gaps in it. It was preceded by a raft of great computing solutions that all played a part in the homogenisation that was iMac.

Jonathan Ive is a great and truly brilliant designer, he is one of my hero's, but to say that he was responsible for the iMac and Apples resurgence, is like saying 'cheese' invented 'milk'.

except without ive there would be no iMac, but without jobs it would still have existed because it DID exist without him. as ive is the essential ingredient i'm puzzled as to how you can say he is not the milk - it is clear from his position at apple he is exactly that. he's actually being paid more than jobs was! half a billion dollars in a single year for example. people bought the iMac because it looked cool and the look created a sensation - it was a computer that wasn't grey and boring. this had nothing to do with jobs and i'm sure it would have been a sensation anyway.

the other part of the success was due to the fact it dropped the standard apple ports of the time and adopted USB, which if you must know, was something due to the then tie up with microsoft that was saving the company. it meant anyone could buy one without worrying about buying expensive stupid shit along side it. the product looked good and was accessible.

jobs then hyped it like a motherfucker.

as it happens apple then started to try and sue other computer manufacturers who dared do things like use semi transparent plastic. where did that look come from? well the designer later said it was from dyson, a brand americans weren't familiar with at the time. if you want to thank anyone for translucent plastic moulding on consumer goods thank james dyson!

http://www.dyson.com/insidedyson/default.asp#DC02CLEAR

Jobs deliberately didn't take a huge salary - at times he worked for nothing. The iMac - as I've just demonstrated was a natural progression that came along 15 years after it's first iteration. The Mac Classic had been going through many many development changes in that time. The only things that made iMac 'different' was internet connection, a CD tray, and a round mouse. That's it. Oh and the design of the case... which obviously we must thank Ive for. But probably not exclusively.

the other part of the success was due to the fact it dropped the standard apple ports of the time and adopted USB,
I already said that

Jobs deliberately didn't take a huge salary - at times he worked for nothing. The iMac - as I've just demonstrated was a natural progression that came along 15 years after it's first iteration. The Mac Classic had been going through many many development changes in that time. The only things that made iMac 'different' was internet connection, a CD tray, and a round mouse. That's it. Oh and the design of the case... which obviously we must thank Ive for. But probably not exclusively.


I already said that

he didn't take a huge salary, they did however pay him in share options and that private jet you read about .... the one he designed himself supposedly... paid for by apple. if i read once more he didn't live like a billionaire i might be sick in my mouth. this is a guy who had signed a contract for a massive yacht built that he was planning on sailing around the world in 246 feet in length but please none of that "oh i'm working for free" shit.

actually it's an interesting story -
http://blog.jameslist.com/2011/steve-jobs%E2%80%99-unfinished-feadship-superyacht/

he already had another one -
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/33019188

i think he ended up with about 3 billion dollars worth of shares in apple and of course didn't have to pay payroll taxes as a result. the point is they are throwing more at ive than they were at jobs! ive is actually getting more money than the entire board put together but then without him there'd be no imac, no ipad, no ipod etc etc etc. jobs had charisma, and could sell stuff like a motherfucker, but ive is the real inventor.

if you want to thank anyone for translucent plastic moulding on consumer goods thank james dyson!

Well, I think you can thank these guys as well:

http://www.hgs.k12.va.us/Engineering_and_Robotics/Robotics/Chapter%202rev_robotics_files/slide0016_image142.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gQVGR_dSRQA/SkgLje9BZuI/AAAAAAAAAf4/P58-M5pQO0A/s400/Fireball+Robot.bmp

http://images.wikia.com/lostinspace/images/3/3f/Robot.jpg

Steve Jobs was a master salesman - very talented at that and knew how to surround himself with technical geniuses (Woz, Ives etc).

He fostered a cult of personality around him so that people would buy into the image he crafted (and was about the only thing he ever created). He did have good vision to exploit things that either the R&D where he worked had produced or seeing things other people produced and asking his devs to run with it.

Case in point - the ipod, the device that took a resurrected Apple and propelled them to where they are now. It wasn't the first mass produced mp3 player (South Korean MPMan) nor was it the first HDD based mp3 player (HanGo Personal Jukebox, developed by a true pioneering PC company: Compaq RIP).

But there were 3 things the ipod got right, to massive effect.

1) The UI... much improved and has since been honed to perfection.
2) The style... it was a thing of beauty and industrial design.
3) The sync... the way the ipod and itunes worked together to make transferring your content from PC to device a breeze was *the* killer app and is yet to be surpassed. Even given the current bloat and UI abortion we call itunes today.

Maybe a 4th - the marketing, but for the most part they sold themselves due to the 3 above points.

yes, and i would argue the success of dyson shows apple didn't need jobs, they needed ive. dyson doesn't have a steve jobs to flog shit like a TV evangelist and yet totally dominates the field it operates in in both technology and design terms.

Though, it's worth noting that the 1st gen ipod was considered a failure... it wasn't until they started supporting windows and a win ver of itunes came along that it boomed.

God I hated musicmatch, I went for a 3rd party sync tool until itunes came out for windows >.<

I was slow onto the MP3 bandwaggon because I had bought a Sony Minidisc player convinced that it was the technology of the future. Never have I been so wrong :(. I still have it and a collection of about 30 albums on minidisc.

http://ii.alatest.com/product/full/a/0/Sony-MZ-R900-L-Portable-Mini-Disc-Player-0.jpg

sony made one mistake with the minidisc. when it became obvious that mp3 was going to be THE thing (and it was by 2000) they should have introduced it rather than their stupid ATRAC stuff. they basically gave up their market share to apple.

I think they should have built MP3 into the minidisc players. I was of the opinion that people would always want a physical object to represent their purchase. I was obviously wrong as the mass appeal of digital media now shows. But I think that if a Minidisc player were developed to be essentially an MP3 where you bought the minidisc and 'installed' it into the player the trend to purely digital media might have been slower. Its hard to say really. I do know people who prefer to buy their albums on CD and then transfer the music onto their ipod (generally older people). They are happier knowing they have the pysical disc there as backup / representation of their purchase.

In fact, it would be a portable version of the brennan JB7 which is a great piece of kit:
My car CD player only has to have the disk put into it once then it remembers the album forever. Again, a similar idea.

http://www.brennan.co.uk/?gclid=CJy_k-3tpqwCFQEd4Qodkj9F_w

Sony eventually allowed mp3 to be used (atrac was actually better than mp3) with their netmd's.

I had a netMD, they were fantastic devices that gave 80 hours playtime off a single AA batt! The combo of forcing atrac only and a dumb check in, check out system when they launched was what killed them tho.

And I use a mixture of downloading digital copies (but not from the likes of Apple or Amazon, they're all indie or self released) and buy CD's to rip.
It is always nice to have a backup, and some people are going to have a nasty surprise if they ever move to a different device and find their spending on digital files from Apple or Amazon can't be easily moved across. Music isn't so much a great issue, they can be burned to CD then reripped (it's just a massive time sink), but DRM'd books and movies? They're screwed.

I'm not including apps in this due to the difference since film and music content in the past was linked to physical formats, of which the OS is similar in this fashion when it comes to apps because they simply cannot be "ported" by the user. But now we have the pure digital file, the movies and songs should be playable where-ever there is codec support or just the time sink of transcoding to newer codecs to meet with the new device requirements. The only real need to buy a new copy would be for a higher quality version or the content was changed (ala directors cut).

...this is a guy who had signed a contract for a massive yacht built that he was planning on sailing around the world in 246 feet in length but please none of that "oh i'm working for free" shit.

like the man says:

Let me translate this article: we learned that Steve Jobs had commissioned a yacht. We couldn't get any information on any aspect of the yacht. So we found the coolest looking concept image from the yacht maker that we could find on the web and pretended that we had some sort of intelligent guess that this would resemble the yacht Steve Jobs commissioned. That we don't know anything about. Please read our web page and click on our ads. Thank you.

I was slow onto the MP3 bandwaggon because I had bought a Sony Minidisc player convinced that it was the technology of the future. Never have I been so wrong :(. I still have it and a collection of about 30 albums on minidisc.



I have a HIFI at home somewhere with a 3 minidisc changer on it, and a 3 CD changer.

This one:

http://is02.thegumtree.com/image/big/83182618.jpg

I too completely failed to notice the MP3 revolution and have a collection of around 50 minidiscs (all copied, mostly from my own CD collection).

mini discs were good for car hi-fi... a fickle market and a temporary home for tech advances... but I was always uber impressed when I got into a car that had one.

Whilst you slanty named fellas are hanging around in the thread couldn’t one of you fix the title of this thread... Jobs?!

Hooray!

Now can somebody please fix the third option in the poll? :)

I too completely failed to notice the MP3 revolution and have a collection of around 50 minidiscs (all copied, mostly from my own CD collection).

Thats what most of mine were too.

I really liked the technology. The sound quality was great.

I bought mine to listen to while I was training for the London Marathon. It had a three minute buffer so it would never skip when I was running.

Hooray!

Now can somebody please fix the third option in the poll? :)

How dare someone rename my thread! This is slander! What is wrong with KJ's boobs?

How dare someone rename my thread! This is slander! What is wrong with KJ's boobs?

Potentially nothing, but I have no idea who Katherine Jenkin is.

minidisc had shit sound quality i thought. never had one but hearing them i wasn't impressed. apparently even the ones mastered in a studio, rather than recorded by the user didn't have amazing quality - 292 kbit/s. that was the maximum.

The digitally encoded audio signal on a MiniDisc has traditionally been data-compressed using the ATRAC format (Adaptive TRansform Acoustic Coding).
ATRAC was devised for MiniDisc so that the same amount of audio a CD can carry can fit on a disc far smaller than the CD (which contains uncompressed 16-bit stereo linear PCM audio).
ATRAC was also used on nearly all Walkman devices until the 8 series but is now only used in Sony's MiniDisc devices (as of November 2008) as ATRAC is fundamental to the MiniDisc specification.

minidisc had shit sound quality i thought. never had one but hearing them i wasn't impressed. apparently even the ones mastered in a studio, rather than recorded by the user didn't have amazing quality - 292 kbit/s. that was the maximum.

It wasn't just about the bit-rate when you compare atrac3 to mp3 - atrac3 produced the better fidelity sound at lower bit-rates (and thus greater rate of compression). Also, as I said, netMD's (the ones you could connect up to PC's and transfer music to them) eventually added mp3 support, but it was too late as Apple had simply sown the market up in addition to the market having standardised on MP3 as its codec of choice.

It was a pain and a waste of disk space to have to keep two copies of my library, not to mention the check in, check out system they originally employed - meaning I had to track down the MD with the song I wanted to store on a new/different MD, check it into their software then check it back out again. Compare that to simply plugging in the ipod and hitting sync.

I can't comment on the "normal" MD players, as I never had one of those.. I just had the one that was their attempt at cracking the MP3 player market.

minidisc had shit sound quality i thought. never had one but hearing them i wasn't impressed. apparently even the ones mastered in a studio, rather than recorded by the user didn't have amazing quality - 292 kbit/s. that was the maximum.

I think Octoman was referring to sound quality compared to say a walkman or portable CD player using cheap headphones and running, not compared to an audiophiles £10k home surround sound system.

Proof of concept malware was on the Apple App store for two months before the author revealed it as malware. The stock tracker approved by Apples vetting team uploads contacts and photos stored on the phone to the author.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15635408

I think Octoman was referring to sound quality compared to say a walkman or portable CD player using cheap headphones and running, not compared to an audiophiles £10k home surround sound system.

well in blind listening tests it scored substantially less than mp3s because of a major flaw. you seem to be forgetting for a while sony was supplying their hi-fis (in particular the high end ones) with mini disc players and are supposedly a good middle of the range brand. spending 500 quid on a hi-fi in the late 90s and getting that isn't on. it cost them customers, a lot of customers, and a lot of goodwill which was one of the prime reasons iPod killed walkman so easily. specifically -

Quality is generally transparent for many people (meaning that it is not possible to tell an ATRAC encoding from the source).[citation needed] This is most possible when using the latest algorithm, Type-S, or Type-R (Type-S only improves LP modes). Like most other audio compression codecs, some signals will "trip" the codec and cause artifacts, though these are not usually severe enough to be obvious.

in other words, you'd hear "clicks" in the music sometime if you recorded it yourself no matter what the quality of the system. this wouldn't be a problem with mp3 for example as you'd just increase the bitrate. the lower max bitrate for ATRAC made it more likely to happen. by the time sony actually got ATRAC working properly and sorted out this problem it was 2004 and the bird had flown the coop.

Adobe takes Jobs' advice, exits mobile Flash to focus on HTML5
HTML5 now the "best solution" for browser content across mobile platforms, Adobe admits...

http://www.silicon.com/technology/mobile/2011/11/09/adobe-takes-jobs-advice-exits-mobile-flash-to-focus-on-html5-39748203/

Adobe takes Jobs' advice, exits mobile Flash to focus on HTML5
HTML5 now the "best solution" for browser content across mobile platforms, Adobe admits...

http://www.silicon.com/technology/mobile/2011/11/09/adobe-takes-jobs-advice-exits-mobile-flash-to-focus-on-html5-39748203/

yeah adobe fucked that one up good and proper. they delayed development for years and years. stupid them. they'll still be developing flash though to work on phones so people can use the current legacy stuff, but there will be no NEW version of mobile flash which was a format they were developing specifically for mobile phones.

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/internet-memes-steve-jobs-ranked-third-on-the-list-of-greatest-engineers-of-all-time-really.png

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/internet-memes-steve-jobs-ranked-third-on-the-list-of-greatest-engineers-of-all-time-really.png

I think I died a little inside. :ohno:

I just hope those 900 "engineers" don't build anything we actually need.

Steve Jobs has made it possible for you to check out porn wherever you are. Show some gratitude.

No someone else did that.

Einstein?

Well, I remember looking at porn in high school on an old black and white nokia screen using WAP so...

Well, I remember looking at porn in high school on an old black and white nokia screen using WAP so...

Was it like this?

http://asciipr0n.com/




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The guy who discovered Gravity?

^^ Fit.

Was it like this?

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Yes. :happy:

The guy who discovered Gravity?

People were just floating around before Newton made his amazing discovery.

http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/12/22/stevejobs.jpg


:omg What a terrible statue! smilie:

I suppose this is the de facto Apple thread now.

Quad Core 'iPadHD' announced.

http://gizmodo.com/5891158

But exact name of iPad still not confirmed yet.
I guess, its called iPad New.

Retina screen, nice stabilisation, good cam(why do we need cams on tablets), this is all i wanted to hear, nothing else.

and the same bullshit as ever... twice as fast and four times as fast at once!

According to Apple, it's twice as fast as a Tegra 3 and has "four times" the graphics performance.

looks like a standard spec increase to me that happens to all models by everyone.

does this mean pics taken with an ipad won't look like grainy pieces of shit? too bad you still look like a tool holding it up to record/photo anything.

The display and iphoto announcements are nice, don't care about LTE support cause only a moron would pay the exorbitant prices of the unit plus yet another fucking contract when your phone supports wifi tethering. wifi model is the way to go. also means you can improve the speed by either getting a new phone or network provider.

apple tv still a worthless pos.

also not buying the "post-pc" tag, every iphone, ipod and ipad are still bitches to a PC. cut the cord and then you really are post-pc!

Is it actually called 'New iPad'? I cant' really believe that.

Also disappointed it didn't have the rumoured texture touch screen, that would have sold it for me, missed a trick there I think!

to be honest, they never had complaints when calling the next macbook or imac "the new.." and not stick a number on the end. It'll just be ipad.

The bit about it being twice as fast as a Tegra 3 is all lies. The Apple A5X has two ARM A9 cores while the Tegra 3 has 4 A9 Cores (actually it has 5, 4 A9s and a smaller power efficient one). Also the Tegra 3 has 12 graphics cores, while the Apple A5X has 4. Granted Apple is using modified ARM cores but so is Nvidia in their Tegras. The Tegra 3 came out slightly before the Apple A5X so you would expect Apple one to have more efficient everything, but at most you expect the Apple A5X to be on par with the Tegra 3, nowhere near as twice more powerful. Unless the new iPad is also powered by magic.

I think it is powered by Apple users smug sense of superiority.

It can't possibly be called "The New iPad", Steve must be turning in his grave.

But if its meant to have more pixels that a 40inch HDTV, why don't Apple make a HDTV? They'd make loads. $$$£££

It'll just be called "ipad".. it's just the newest version of it, which fits in with their other, mature product lines.

There are rumours of an Apple TV set (the net keep calling it the iTV) which will be voice controlled by Siri and sport apps from the itunes app store. The TV market is a very hard one to crack into, much harder than the phone market. They could give it a go, but I'm very unsure as to whether they would make much headway into it.

It'll just be called "ipad".. it's just the newest version of it, which fits in with their other, mature product lines.

There are rumours of an Apple TV set (the net keep calling it the iTV) which will be voice controlled by Siri and sport apps from the itunes app store. The TV market is a very hard one to crack into, much harder than the phone market. They could give it a go, but I'm very unsure as to whether they would make much headway into it.Maybe they have a better chance in the USA where only Tivo would be it's competition. Here though Sky boxes and Virgin Media's link up with Tivo will out do any Apple TV set as it has done with the Apple TV set up box. Basically all it will be is a TV with their set up box built in. With Apple's prices it's bound to be atleast £1,000 here in the UK and you can buy 2 or 3 TV's for that price and even some of the 3D TV's can go for about half of that these days so I doubt it would be a success.

Does this thing have siri or not? I read something about improved voice recognition but not full blown siri?

Does this thing have siri or not? I read something about improved voice recognition but not full blown siri?Yeah it does.

It'll just be called "ipad".. it's just the newest version of it, which fits in with their other, mature product lines.

There are rumours of an Apple TV set (the net keep calling it the iTV) which will be voice controlled by Siri and sport apps from the itunes app store. The TV market is a very hard one to crack into, much harder than the phone market. They could give it a go, but I'm very unsure as to whether they would make much headway into it.

That would be sweet! I'm sure people would get it just to say 'I have a iTV'..Just like the iPhone and iPad.

Except it won't ever be called the iTV, especially since the current Apple TV box was going to be called that. Apple contacted ITV and asked for permission, with ITV rightly telling Apple where to go.

CPU speed of the new iPad is the same, but it does have a new GPU. I'd much rather have two faster cores than four slower ones. It's also a mobile device, it doesn't need so many cores like a desktop computer.

A9 is the ARM CPU, unsure what the GPU is for the new iPad.

The bit about it being twice as fast as a Tegra 3 is all lies. The Apple A5X has two ARM A9 cores while the Tegra 3 has 4 A9 Cores (actually it has 5, 4 A9s and a smaller power efficient one). Also the Tegra 3 has 12 graphics cores, while the Apple A5X has 4. Granted Apple is using modified ARM cores but so is Nvidia in their Tegras. The Tegra 3 came out slightly before the Apple A5X so you would expect Apple one to have more efficient everything, but at most you expect the Apple A5X to be on par with the Tegra 3, nowhere near as twice more powerful. Unless the new iPad is also powered by magic.

also not buying the "post-pc" tag, every iphone, ipod and ipad are still bitches to a PC. cut the cord and then you really are post-pc!
Why do you need to connect any of those devices to a PC/Mac?

Apple cut the cord quite a while ago.

The bit about it being twice as fast as a Tegra 3 is all lies. The Apple A5X has two ARM A9 cores while the Tegra 3 has 4 A9 Cores (actually it has 5, 4 A9s and a smaller power efficient one). Also the Tegra 3 has 12 graphics cores, while the Apple A5X has 4. Granted Apple is using modified ARM cores but so is Nvidia in their Tegras. The Tegra 3 came out slightly before the Apple A5X so you would expect Apple one to have more efficient everything, but at most you expect the Apple A5X to be on par with the Tegra 3, nowhere near as twice more powerful. Unless the new iPad is also powered by magic.

The A5 is much better than the Tegra 3 wen it comes to GPU

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3

We will have to see how better the A5 is.

Why do you need to connect any of those devices to a PC/Mac?

Apple cut the cord quite a while ago.

Generally yes but how do you get photos from a camera onto an iPad to use with iPhoto?

Does this thing have siri or not? I read something about improved voice recognition but not full blown siri?

It has dictation but no Siri at the moment.

Siri is still officially in beta.

Maybe they have a better chance in the USA where only Tivo would be it's competition. Here though Sky boxes and Virgin Media's link up with Tivo will out do any Apple TV set as it has done with the Apple TV set up box. Basically all it will be is a TV with their set up box built in. With Apple's prices it's bound to be atleast £1,000 here in the UK and you can buy 2 or 3 TV's for that price and even some of the 3D TV's can go for about half of that these days so I doubt it would be a success.

Every cable company in the US has its own box which is why Tivo has never been that successful in the US. Its also the reason that Jobs thought it was very difficult to get traction in the TV market and kept the apple tv as a hobby.

Most the cable boxes are shit of course. Sky boxes are complete garbage.

I like the existing Apple TV and was hoping for a bluetooth based remote on the upgrade. Its biggest plus is airplay mirroring which I do think has a huge future- its biggest downside is that unlike my bluray player it doesn't override the TV's hdmi election when out receives an input. Fiddling around with the TV remote then the apple tv remote/iOS remote app and then use an iOS device with airplay does detract form the experience.

and if you want to have access to and manage your media library or your podcasts on your portable device?
How about activating a brand new iphone?
What about updating the firmware?
How about backing the device up?

Sure, they added wifi sync but you still need a PC for the above and wifi sync is incredibly flaky and randomly decides it needs to wait until it is restarted by itunes on my PC when I sync my ipad.

Right now, the ipod, ipad and iphone are companion devices, not post-pc.

It will be another few hardware generations/years before they really become post-pc devices. For now, you still need a PC.

Every cable company in the US has its own box which is why Tivo has never been that successful in the US. Its also the reason that Jobs thought it was very difficult to get traction in the TV market and kept the apple tv as a hobby.

Most the cable boxes are shit of course. Sky boxes are complete garbage.

I like the existing Apple TV and was hoping for a bluetooth based remote on the upgrade. Its biggest plus is airplay mirroring which I do think has a huge future- its biggest downside is that unlike my bluray player it doesn't override the TV's hdmi election when out receives an input. Fiddling around with the TV remote then the apple tv remote/iOS remote app and then use an iOS device with airplay does detract form the experience.The new Tivo boxes for Virgin Media are great though.

I mean aside from just ordinary channels I can access on demand features, I receive suggestions on the things I like and dislike. In the future we may even have apps for the likes of Loverfilm and Netflick to go alongside the likes of BBC iPlayer, ITV player, 4 on demand, 5 on demand, Sky on demand, plus all of Virgin Media's on demand services and pay per view services. Why would I then need an Apple TV set or even a Apple TV set up box?

TiVo is epic I must admit..

Every cable company in the US has its own box which is why Tivo has never been that successful in the US. Its also the reason that Jobs thought it was very difficult to get traction in the TV market and kept the apple tv as a hobby.

Most the cable boxes are shit of course. Sky boxes are complete garbage.

I like the existing Apple TV and was hoping for a bluetooth based remote on the upgrade. Its biggest plus is airplay mirroring which I do think has a huge future- its biggest downside is that unlike my bluray player it doesn't override the TV's hdmi election when out receives an input. Fiddling around with the TV remote then the apple tv remote/iOS remote app and then use an iOS device with airplay does detract form the experience.

Apple did the better thing and set up your ipad and iphone as your remote control with the app - no need to clutter it up with bluetooth shite.

For me, the biggest failures of the Apple TV are the piss poor codec support, no support for accessing networked media outside of airplay (samba support would have been nice), very limited access to media stores (itunes and netflix) and no DLNA support to stream to and from other devices.

The Apple TV only ever becomes useful once you root it and slap XBMC onto it.

Generally yes but how do you get photos from a camera onto an iPad to use with iPhoto?
Use a card reader or via USB that plugs in to the connector.

http://www.amazon.com/5-1-Card-Reader-iPad/dp/B004HT6TS2

Use a card reader or via USB that plugs in to the connector.

http://www.amazon.com/5-1-Card-Reader-iPad/dp/B004HT6TS2

you mean your phone isn't running as a wifi spot and the camera is automatically connected to it, and sending the photos through the phone to your cloud server? i love picasa :)

You can manage all your music on the device, download and subscribe to podcasts from iTunes, and you can remove them from within Video or Music apps. iTunes Match even allows you to re-dowload any music you have wherever you are.

Activation no longer requires iTunes. Just pop your SIM in and you are done.

Updating firmware is done on the device.

Backing up, done via iCloud.


Keep them coming.


and if you want to have access to and manage your media library or your podcasts on your portable device?
How about activating a brand new iphone?
What about updating the firmware?
How about backing the device up?

Sure, they added wifi sync but you still need a PC for the above and wifi sync is incredibly flaky and randomly decides it needs to wait until it is restarted by itunes on my PC when I sync my ipad.

Right now, the ipod, ipad and iphone are companion devices, not post-pc.

It will be another few hardware generations/years before they really become post-pc devices. For now, you still need a PC.

you mean your phone isn't running as a wifi spot and the camera is automatically connected to it, and sending the photos through the phone to your cloud server? i love picasa :)
You can do that too. I know plenty of photographers that set their iPhone's up as hotspots. Speedy too, can easily get 1.5-2Mbps upload on 3G.

and you upload to apple's photo service that then syncs with your workstation at home too? oh they haven't got one! your phone in turn also syncs with that same service so that your gallery is the same.

look at how crap this is -
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4236

on android just pick the sync option with picasa and that's it. you don't even need picasa installed on your PC. it's not about the hotspot, it's about *everything*.

Apple did the better thing and set up your ipad and iphone as your remote control with the app - no need to clutter it up with bluetooth shite.

For me, the biggest failures of the Apple TV are the piss poor codec support, no support for accessing networked media outside of airplay (samba support would have been nice), very limited access to media stores (itunes and netflix) and no DLNA support to stream to and from other devices.

The Apple TV only ever becomes useful once you root it and slap XBMC onto it.

the lack of blootooth means there need to be an IR remote option which means the device needs to be in line of sight which means it need to be a box under the TV with a hdmi cable. If it dropped IR for bluetooth it might just have been a dongle they yet fit behind your tv.

Im sure codec support matters to you but it doesn't to 99% of the population. There are good reasons why htpcs never went mainstream.

Airplay mirroring makes it worthwhile on it own. As I've said before DLNA it a totally different (and IMO vastly inferior beast). Ive not seen swipe it in action though.

and you upload to apple's photo service that then syncs with your workstation at home too? oh they haven't got one! your phone in turn also syncs with that same service so that your gallery is the same.

look at how crap this is -
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4236

on android just pick the sync option with picasa and that's it. you don't even need picasa installed on your PC. it's not about the hotspot, it's about *everything*.Photostream on iOS sends them automatically to all your devices, including your desktop.

If you install Google+ app, it automatically syncs your photos to picassa/G+, even when the app is left in the background. Same with dropbox. Lots of other apps do this too.

Photostream on iOS sends them automatically to all your devices, including your desktop.

If you install Google+ app, it automatically syncs your photos to picassa/G+, even when the app is left in the background. Same with dropbox. Lots of other apps do this too.

Really? ALL photos? I MUST set that up!

Photostream on iOS sends them automatically to all your devices, including your desktop.

If you install Google+ app, it automatically syncs your photos to picassa/G+, even when the app is left in the background. Same with dropbox. Lots of other apps do this too.

point proven. if you install google+... with android you don't install anything at all. it just works :) i can't believe you'd have to download and install apps and all that to do something as basic as sycning! :lol:

picasa is the dogs bollocks of imaging back up by the way if anyone is interested. it's also cheap as fuck if you want extra storage.

and you upload to apple's photo service that then syncs with your workstation at home too? oh they haven't got one! your phone in turn also syncs with that same service so that your gallery is the same.

look at how crap this is -
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4236

on android just pick the sync option with picasa and that's it. you don't even need picasa installed on your PC. it's not about the hotspot, it's about *everything*.

You should be looking here instead

http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/photo-stream.html

photostream is very good if you are using an iPhone to take photos and good if you upload photos from a camera to a computer with iTunes. The weakness I was referring to was if you own iOS devices but not a computer and want to take phottos with a camera rather than an iOS device.

EDIT- gothic photostream does not require any apps to be installed.

point proven. if you install google+... with android you don't install anything at all. it just works :) i can't believe you'd have to download and install apps and all that to do something as basic as sycning! :lol:

picasa is the dogs bollocks of imaging back up by the way if anyone is interested. it's also cheap as fuck if you want extra storage.
You know that picassa is a Google product, right? And that Photostream is an Apple product?

You can still do it, it takes 20 seconds to download the G+ app.

Really? ALL photos? I MUST set that up!
http://support.google.com/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2453873&topic=1248784&ctx=topic

You should be looking here instead

http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/photo-stream.html

photostream is very good if you are using an iPhone to take photos and good if you upload photos from a camera to a computer with iTunes. The weakness I was referring to was if you own iOS devices but not a computer and want to take phottos with a camera rather than an iOS device.

EDIT- gothic photostream does not require any apps to be installed.

you miss the point. i take a photo. the camera immediately sends it to the phone via wifi, the phone automatically syncs with picasa. that is it. there is no need for itunes or ANY actual programme on any computer. i am not taking photos with a phone. to get this to work i simply had to turn on the wifi hotspot and check the sync option for picasa. i KNOW it's a google product. it's also part of the android operating system, built in and works out of the box.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rXeWgUoA3KoEjYir-c9dE_4ObFamiIqMhAjRRBh37ao?feat=directlink

you miss the point. i take a photo. the camera immediately sends it to the phone via wifi, the phone automatically syncs with picasa. that is it. there is no need for itunes or ANY actual programme on any computer. i am not taking photos with a phone. to get this to work i simply had to turn on the wifi hotspot and check the sync option for picasa. i KNOW it's a google product. it's also part of the android operating system, built in and works out of the box.
This is exactly what the iPhone does.

You can either:

1. Your photos get added to the photo library, and then they get uploaded, automatically. Either photostream that is built in to iOS, or to picassa via G+ app for example.

2. If you want direct to a web server or your PC at home, you can set your phone as a normal hotspot and the camera does the rest. I was using a Nikon wifi adapter the other week, it sent via FTP (or other services like Amazon S3) to a web server.

http://support.google.com/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2453873&topic=1248784&ctx=topic

Well thanks, I have 3300+ photo's on my phone, as I take all my photo's of developments on my Phone, hopefully they'll all fit, currently syncing all, this will be an overnight thing!

that's NOT exactly what an android phone does.

2. If you want direct to a web server or your PC at home, you can set your phone as a normal hotspot and the camera does the rest. I was using a Nikon wifi adapter the other week, it sent via FTP (or other services like Amazon S3).


it's not using it as an FTP hotspot! you've completely missed the point.

the phone is running as the hotspot. the camera is sending the photos to it via this, it is then syncing with picasa... that's it.

according to this you even have to plug your iphone into itunes on your computer to activate the online photo thing!
http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/threads/how-do-i-move-photos-and-video-from-my-iphone.43467/

photostream is nothing like picasa -
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3374632?start=0&tstart=0

spot the limitations? i mean seriously? 30 days! almost no privacy?!?!?! inability to delete individual images? because apple just works...

Yea, thats a big problem with the photostream. Single picture upload or delete will be a hit. BTW for time being, just turn off the photostrem on your iDevices, But if you really want selected pictures on iCloud specially to see them on apple tv, Just go to iPhoto on your Mac Make a dedicated folder named as iCloud, put all the selected pictures in that folder & share it on photostream. Only thats how you can keep the pictures you want on iCloud. You can se all the pictures on idevices too but after seeing them turn off photostream again if you don't wanna mess up your iCloud album. Note: once the pictures are on iCloud, you still can't manage it one by one. Again to delete the photostream pictures, you need to login icloud.com & proceed the procedure as Keki36 mentioned

keki36

Re: Delete single photos in photostream

Oct 15, 2011 4:15 AM (in response to lucasc5)


Hey i've got a solution for this and it worked with me
To Reset your Photo Stream, follow these instructions:

From a computer browser, go to www.icloud.com and sign in.
Click on your name on the iCloud home page (this is the page that shows all the app icons). If you do not see your name, click the cloud icon in the top left of the page.
Click Advanced.
Here you will see the Reset Photo Stream button. Clicking this button will remove all your Photo Stream photos from iCloud. Once removed, they cannot be recovered, but you can re-upload any photos you'd like to restore to your Photo Stream from a Mac or PC.

bwhahahaha!

let me know when it works like picasa does.

point proven. if you install google+... with android you don't install anything at all. it just works :) i can't believe you'd have to download and install apps and all that to do something as basic as sycning! :lol:

picasa is the dogs bollocks of imaging back up by the way if anyone is interested. it's also cheap as fuck if you want extra storage.

I agree, Picasa is great! :okay:

Gothic, could you please look at the PM I've sent you? It's kind of urgent ;)

and if you want to have access to and manage your media library or your podcasts on your portable device?
How about activating a brand new iphone?
What about updating the firmware?
How about backing the device up?



simon has already answered this but I thought rather than just talk about what is possible Id say what I actually do.

I do stil sync with a computer occasionally but Im not sure what I really get from doing it these days. It saves me downloading an app update three times but with my current broadband its probably as quick to redownload as it is to sync.

On your specific points

In practice I still use my computer to manage my media library occasionally but i do have iTunes match so theoretically can do it all form the the devices. For podcasts I gave up on iTunes and just use the downcast app on my phone- I don't use podcasts on my computer or iPad.

The 4S was activated from the phone- I didn't sync to the computer until after it was up an running and with all my apps and contatcs on it.

I just updated to iOS5.1 from the iPhone and iPad - I didn't use the computer.

My phone and iPad always back up to iCloud not the computer even if i sync with the computer.

the lack of blootooth means there need to be an IR remote option which means the device needs to be in line of sight which means it need to be a box under the TV with a hdmi cable. If it dropped IR for bluetooth it might just have been a dongle they yet fit behind your tv.

Im sure codec support matters to you but it doesn't to 99% of the population. There are good reasons why htpcs never went mainstream.

Airplay mirroring makes it worthwhile on it own. As I've said before DLNA it a totally different (and IMO vastly inferior beast). Ive not seen swipe it in action though.

Wifi should be what you are using, not bluetooth or IR. I use my phone or my ipad to control my XBMC setups across all the rooms in my house. Just like you can use your iphone or ipad to control the apple TV. There really is no need for a buggy bluetooth stack.

If you've ever seen DLNA in action, you'll realise how amazing it is. I have streamed movies stored on my phone, across my wifi to my HTPC running in my front room. Want to move into the bedroom.. stop it, boot up the HTPC in there and keep streaming.

The best thing, I don't need to use any one specific vendors equipment because it is using wifi and IP standards. A friend pops over with their phone and a copy of a movie. We don't have to fiddle about with anything other than connecting it to the wifi network. From there it's a couple of taps and it's streaming away onto my TV.

Codec's certainly count. I have my entire DVD collection ripped and encoded (over 700 DVD's), if you don't use one that is supported then you either have the choice of simply not watching it, finding a way to transcode it, re-encode your entire collection to a single format or to encode versions compatible with every device you have. Apple have also been very capricious in the codec settings they use.

Poor codec support is why I don't use my PSP or 360 for media and instead use linux boxes with XBMC. Thankfully my ipad does support the codec I use, but the issue is that I cannot simply stream to it or drag and drop. I have to import a copy of it from my network into itunes and then sync it across. In elegant, but it does the job for now.

I find it very odd that people immediately think a HTPC set up is hard, yet you are only using the one input on your TV to control everything else. It handles my live TV, PVR, media library and internet streaming content all through a single, standard interface and remote control. There's no need to learn the ways different devices work, no need to fiddle with switching inputs or finding which remote (or springing on expensive all-in-one remotes to add to the clutter) for which device.
The other plus point is that I can move recordings across from the HTPC to more permanent storage, so I don't suffer from automatic deletion or from people using the interface and accidentally deleting it.

that's NOT exactly what an android phone does.



it's not using it as an FTP hotspot! you've completely missed the point.

the phone is running as the hotspot. the camera is sending the photos to it via this, it is then syncing with picasa... that's it.

according to this you even have to plug your iphone into itunes on your computer to activate the online photo thing!
http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/threads/how-do-i-move-photos-and-video-from-my-iphone.43467/

photostream is nothing like picasa -
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3374632?start=0&tstart=0

spot the limitations? i mean seriously? 30 days! almost no privacy?!?!?! inability to delete individual images?

The first link is form 2009 and pre dates photo stream. Its irrelevant.

Ability to delete images has just been fixed.

Picasa is certainly better as a long term cloud storage tool.

Photostream is a syncing tool that happens to store temporarily in the cloud. It is nt a place for storage.

If you have a computer enabled for photostream then every photo ever taken on an iPhone or added to its library automatically syncs to the computer and is stored there permanently. What is not permanent is the storage in the cloud.

that's NOT exactly what an android phone does.

it's not using it as an FTP hotspot! you've completely missed the point.

the phone is running as the hotspot. the camera is sending the photos to it via this, it is then syncing with picasa... that's it.
Yep, re-read point 1!

I sync all my photos to picassa/G+ on my iPhone. I do not have to think about it either, it just does it, automatically.


according to this you even have to plug your iphone into itunes on your computer to activate the online photo thing!
http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/threads/how-do-i-move-photos-and-video-from-my-iphone.43467/

photostream is nothing like picasa -
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3374632?start=0&tstart=0

spot the limitations? i mean seriously? 30 days! almost no privacy?!?!?! inability to delete individual images? because apple just works...

What? First link is from 2009 and is outdated. You can delete from photostream now.

The first link is form 2009 and pre dates photo stream. Its irrelevant.

Ability to delete images has just been fixed.

Picasa is certainly better as a long term cloud storage tool.

Photostream is a syncing tool that happens to store temporarily in the cloud. It is nt a place for storage.

If you have a computer enabled for photostream then every photo ever taken on an iPhone or added to its library automatically syncs to the computer and is stored there permanently. What is not permanent is the storage in the cloud.

so you still need a computer. for a company like apple that blathers on about moving beyond the desktop they don't half make their stuff dependent on the desktop. i assumed that they had something like picasa, until tonight. quite shocked photostream/iphoto is so bad in comparison. maybe apple could buy flickr off yahoo?

Wifi should be what you are using, not bluetooth or IR. I use my phone or my ipad to control my XBMC setups across all the rooms in my house. Just like you can use your iphone or ipad to control the apple TV. There really is no need for a buggy bluetooth stack.

If you've ever seen DLNA in action, you'll realise how amazing it is. I have streamed movies stored on my phone, across my wifi to my HTPC running in my front room. Want to move into the bedroom.. stop it, boot up the HTPC in there and keep streaming.

The best thing, I don't need to use any one specific vendors equipment because it is using wifi and IP standards. A friend pops over with their phone and a copy of a movie. We don't have to fiddle about with anything other than connecting it to the wifi network. From there it's a couple of taps and it's streaming away onto my TV.

Codec's certainly count. I have my entire DVD collection ripped and encoded (over 700 DVD's), if you don't use one that is supported then you either have the choice of simply not watching it, finding a way to transcode it, re-encode your entire collection to a single format or to encode versions compatible with every device you have. Apple have also been very capricious in the codec settings they use.

Poor codec support is why I don't use my PSP or 360 for media and instead use linux boxes with XBMC. Thankfully my ipad does support the codec I use, but the issue is that I cannot simply stream to it or drag and drop. I have to import a copy of it from my network into itunes and then sync it across. In elegant, but it does the job for now.

I find it very odd that people immediately think a HTPC set up is hard, yet you are only using the one input on your TV to control everything else. It handles my live TV, PVR, media library and internet streaming content all through a single, standard interface and remote control. There's no need to learn the ways different devices work, no need to fiddle with switching inputs or finding which remote (or springing on expensive all-in-one remotes to add to the clutter) for which device.
The other plus point is that I can move recordings across from the HTPC to more permanent storage, so I don't suffer from automatic deletion or from people using the interface and accidentally deleting it.

Ive used DLNA and my TV can use it- its not for me at all and in no way comes close to what I like about airplay. It does undoubtedly have the advantage being more universal.

I do use wifi as a remote - but Apple can not assume that ever buyer of a £99 apple tv will have an iPhone so there needs to be an alternative. Id prefer bluetooth to be the alternative with a special remote rather than IR so that the device could be built without considerations regarding line of sight.

I absolutely understand why codec support matters to you but very few people have ripped their DVDs.

I used to have an ELonex Lumina http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/workstations/65985/elonex-lumina

I loved it and was surprised that windows media centre didn't take off. With hindsight though I can see why..

I absolutely understand why codec support matters to you but very few people have ripped their DVDs.


quite a few people download torrents though don't they? apple is making the exact same mistake as sony, which rejected MP3 in favour of ATRAC so the sony stuff lost out to apple. apple is rejecting things like MKV...

simon has already answered this but I thought rather than just talk about what is possible Id say what I actually do.

I do stil sync with a computer occasionally but Im not sure what I really get from doing it these days. It saves me downloading an app update three times but with my current broadband its probably as quick to redownload as it is to sync.

On your specific points

In practice I still use my computer to manage my media library occasionally but i do have iTunes match so theoretically can do it all form the the devices. For podcasts I gave up on iTunes and just use the downcast app on my phone- I don't use podcasts on my computer or iPad.

The 4S was activated from the phone- I didn't sync to the computer until after it was up an running and with all my apps and contatcs on it.

I just updated to iOS5.1 from the iPhone and iPad - I didn't use the computer.

My phone and iPad always back up to iCloud not the computer even if i sync with the computer.

I haven't had an iphone since the 3G, glad they finally cut that tether.

I don't use icloud because if I can't choose which services I store my data in, I will take it inhouse and use my PC. I don't buy music or video through itunes either, so itunes match is of no interest to me. The only thing I do acquire from the itunes store are apps.

I run my own mail server, which is an archaic version of Exchange right now so I cannot sync this over the air (2003 isn't supported and the imap sync of this version of Exchange is shite). However, once I have the cash to build up my new VMWare ESX server I will be able to power up the zimbra server I have built up and will be able to stop using my PC for calendar, email and contacts syncing.

I am yet to be convinced by the way both the devices handle media and podcasts without there being a PC to sort things out. Especially since my collection far outstrips the capacity of either the iphone or ipad. The only device of their capable of handling my music collection on its own is the ipod classic. The number of podcasts I am subscribed to regularly outstrips the capacity of my ipad (16GB) if I haven't watched/listened to many recently.
Plus, keeping everything informed about the podcasts I have listened to and collecting new ones between all of the devices I use simply requires a PC.

Also, if I buy a CD (especially something which the itunes store won't ever carry such as an unsigned band or music from a non-mainstream musical production) I have no other way of getting it onto my devices than via the PC.

Don't get me wrong, they are certainly on their way to being a post-pc device, but right now they are still only companion devices. They will only be post-pc once they replace the PC entirely, which will happen. Ubuntu on Android is a major step towards this, and I'm looking forward to having my desktop actually being my phone.

so you still need a computer. for a company like apple that blathers on about moving beyond the desktop they don't half make their stuff dependent on the desktop. i assumed that they had something like picasa, until tonight. quite shocked photostream/iphoto is so bad in comparison. maybe apple could buy flickr off yahoo?

I suspect that its not about capability but about who pays for cloud storage. Google's business model for paying for it is very different from Apple's.

All good points alpha. One small point is that iTunes match is for music that isn't purchased from iTunes. If all you music as from itunes there would be no point to it.

http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/

All good points alpha. One small point is that iTunes match is for music that isn't purchased from iTunes. If all you music as from itunes there would be no point to it.

http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/

But in the same sentence I mentioned I don't use iCloud either. I know the main thing is that match will try to find better bitrate copies of your music and simply replace those it does find while keeping those it doesn't. But if you don't use iCloud it's rather pointless.

One of the ideas I have for an episode of the tech show I hope to get around to doing some day will be building your own open equiv of iCloud using open source solutions.

While I am an early adopter, I have deep seated distrust of systems that don't let me choose alternatives for data repositories for my devices to sync from.

I know the main thing is that match will try to find better bitrate copies of your music and simply replace those it does find while keeping those it doesn't.

Actually thats a side effect. The main thing is to have all your music in the cloud so that you can redownlaod it to any device whenever you like. If my computer, back up drive and cds went in a fire Id still have all my music. The other point to it vs other forms of cloud storage is it can avoid uploading if it can match tracks agasint the iTunes store.

I suspect that its not about capability but about who pays for cloud storage. Google's business model for paying for it is very different from Apple's.

well android has really low profit margins per user and yet google manages to provide 1gb of storage free for everyone, and then how many more gig for google docs and mail? apple with its huge profit margins can't? the free storage for mail and picasa on google is 7.5gb according to my account. i have 21,504 mb of space in google docs.

I run my own mail server, which is an archaic version of Exchange right now so I cannot sync this over the air (2003 isn't supported and the imap sync of this version of Exchange is shite). However, once I have the cash to build up my new VMWare ESX server I will be able to power up the zimbra server I have built up and will be able to stop using my PC for calendar, email and contacts syncing.


i have a mail server too... and googlemail logs in and downloads all the messages so everything is permanently backed up online. again it just works. it's the sort of thing apple should be doing and aren't.

they are doing better than microsoft (see our thread slagging off windows 8 rigadon) but apple should be doing what google are. they seem to me to be in between MS who are quite clueless and google who have the right idea on what is what.

where google has gone wrong is it has so many different services and it has tried to merge them into google+ and created a bit of a mess. it mistakenly assumes you want your work picasa account as your google+ photos for example. i'm sure they'll crack it in the end and kill facebook.

My phone is STILL syncing to Picasa, 1,500 pics to go.. another 10 hours.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/ipad_4g/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/ipad_4g/
That's the problem with the FCC. They have been selling off odd frequencies for years. Look at T-Mobile in America, manufacturers have to make devices only for that network because nobody else in the world uses those frequencies.

Also, we're not getting LTE. LTE in all respects is not 4G. The UK will be getting LTE Advanced that works at 1Gbps. LTE-A is still in the lab and that's why it hasn't rolled out yet. Our spectrum is also inline with most of Europe at 800MHz and 2.6GHz which is an international standard thank goodness!

oh dear...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/apple_drops_google_maps_for_iphoto/

Finally my phone finished uploading the photo's to Google+, thanks for the info Simon :)

Is it possible to tether a Steve jobs to an iPad 3 to get Internet access? If I can it might be worth considering. I don't want to pay for a second connection.

Is it possible to tether a Steve jobs to an iPad 3 to get Internet access? If I can it might be worth considering. I don't want to pay for a second connection.

in one word, no.

get yourself the latest asus, and dock for it, and then bring it into work as a laptop and amaze everyone when you unplug the laptop and start carrying it about like an apple lover.

Hope nobody minds if I change the title to 'The Apple Thread'.

Yes, the question/original thread was about the death of Steve Jobs, not about Apple Computers.

If you wanna lock this one and start an ***Official*** Apple thread, do it. But don't disrespect the ordinal poster.



























:troll:

racist.

Yes, the question/original thread was about the death of Steve Jobs, not about Apple Computers.

If you wanna lock this one and start an ***Official*** Apple thread, do it. But don't disrespect the ordinal poster.


Steve Jobs was actually alive when this thread was started.

































:troll:

Oh yes, now you mention it.



Never mind, I had my fun that's what's important. :yes:

Hope nobody minds if I change the title to 'The Apple Thread'.

Stop asking the proles. I started this thread. Restore its original title I demand it.

Is it possible to tether a Steve jobs to an iPad 3 to get Internet access? If I can it might be worth considering. I don't want to pay for a second connection.

If you mean an iPhone then the answer is yes but operators vary in what they allow. Go to settings personal hotspot on and see what happens if you connect to it on a nearby computer

If you have the one plan from 3 on your phone you can get unlimited access on an iPad.

basically what I said about just using wifi tethering rather than wasting your cash on the ones with cellular modems onboard + contract.

Tho, there are the occasional network who frowns upon it or will charge you extra for the service

Blah blahhaha bla blah. bla blagh blah blahah. Katherine Jenkins original titties I demand it.

Yes.

:happy: :drool:

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9k7cd22ja1qc7dwno1_400.jpg

Edit: When I googled 'katherine jenkins titties' it brought me to that thread you started about her. :happy:

:drool:

Edit: When I googled 'katherine jenkins titties' it brought me to that thread you started about her. :happy:

This is surely my greatest achievement. :drool:

Let's see them from a different angle

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/katherine_jenkins-gal-02.jpg

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9k7cd22ja1qc7dwno1_400.jpg



http://www.virginmedia.com/images/katherine_jenkins-gal-02.jpg

:cheers:

http://i.imgur.com/PMXXr.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497


Somewhere up there, I can hear Steve screaming

Back in 2006 I launched a blog where I pretended to be Apple CEO Steve Jobs. My alter ego, "Fake Steve," had a good run, but I shut it down in January 2011 when it became apparent that Jobs was in poor health. Nevertheless, even now, I'm constantly wondering what Steve would think about whatever Apple is doing.

This week it's the the iPhone 5. Everyone pretty much accepts that Apple will introduce it, and there have been so many leaks that everybody pretty much seems to know what it's going to be. Word is it will look a lot like the last two versions of the iPhone, except a bit thinner and a bit taller, with upgraded guts and a refreshed operating system.

If that's correct, I imagine Steve is not happy. First of all, he'd be furious about the leaks. Steve liked surprising people.

More important, is this really the best we can expect from an outfit that claims to be the most innovative company in the world? This is the sixth version of the iPhone, and the user interface still looks almost exactly like the original iPhone in 2007.

The hardware on the iPhone has been the same for two years, since the iPhone 4 and 4S were virtually identical.

Now, having had two years to plot and scheme, Apple's renowned designer Jonathan Ive has replaced the tiny 3.5in (8.9cm) screen with a slightly-less-tiny 4in (10.2cm) screen? Wow. Knock me over with a feather. What do you do with the rest of your time, Jony?

This is what happens when a company is too cheap to invest in research and development. Did you know that Apple spends far less on R&D than any of its rivals - a paltry 2% of revenues, versus 14% for Google and Microsoft?

No wonder the Android platform, where new models appear every week, now represents 68% of the smartphone market, up from 47% a year ago, while Apple slid to 17% over the same period.

In case you're bad at math, let me work that out for you: Android's market share is now four times that of Apple. Four times!

Worse, despite all its bluster about innovation, Apple has become a copycat, and not even a good one. Why is Apple making the iPhone bigger? To keep up with the top Android phones.

Read the rest... (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497)

google revenue in the last quarter - 12 billion
apple revenue in the last quarter - 35 billion

google r+d spending - 1.68 billion
apple r+d spending - 0.7 billion

Total revenue for android including handsets?

Total revenue for android including handsets?

impossible to compute and i'm not sure how relevant it is. the apple figure is more than just iphones too... you then have to look at what other handset manufacturers are spending too (all of them spend more than apple by the way). sony spends $5.5 billion which is 6.99 percent of revenue. samsung spent $9 billion last year!

http://gigaom.com/mobile/why-google-isnt-worried-about-androids-revenue/

Be interesting to see how quickly the iPhone 5 sells. The big reveal is today so no doubt it will be all over the tech blogs tomorrow.

it'll be interesting to see how *consistently* the iphone 5 sells, not how quickly. going to number 1 is easy, staying there is rather more difficult.

http://news.sky.com/story/983892/apple-expected-to-make-iphone-5-come-alive

According to the latest quarter's figures from IDC, Samsung now has 32.6% of the global smartphone market to Apple's 16.9%, down from 24.2% for Apple in the previous quarter (Samsung's previous quarter share was 29.1%).

not sure why but every time I see this photo I'm thinking "porn"....

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9k7cd22ja1qc7dwno1_400.jpg

it'll be interesting to see how *consistently* the iphone 5 sells, not how quickly. going to number 1 is easy, staying there is rather more difficult.Probably more difficult for the iPhone though. Most people will be expecting it to be released so have opted out from getting the iPhone 4s, then you have the Apple fans who have to have it ASAP because it's new who boost sales.

With any tech that goes on a cycle then people start to realise that it might be best to wait out after a it's been released for a period of time. Apple will always sell loads within the first 6 months then hardly any after that for as long as they have the update cycles.

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/apple-announces-the-iphone-5/

Physical features

The iPhone 5 looks exactly as the leaked phone: an unibody aluminum body with a glass screen. With a 16:9 4-inch panoramic screen that runs at 1136 x 640 pixels. “It’s thinner than ever,” says Phil Schiller. 18 per cent thinner in fact, which puts it at 7.6mm. They are claiming this is the world’s thinnest smartphone.

It’s also 20 per cent lighter than the current iPhone, just 3.95 ounces (112 grams).


Connectivity

The iPhone 5 also has 5GHz Wi-Fi—aka 802.11N.


Screen

Apple claims that the new 16:9 4-inch panoramic screen has 44 per cent more saturation than the iPhone, which makes the display full sRGB. The display has its touchscreen sensor built-in, which was crucial to its thinness.


Brains

It also has a new CPU, the A6—which Apple claims is 2 times faster than the current iPhone 4S, both in CPU and graphics. In real life, they claim it loads web pages 2.1 times as fast.


Battery

If true, this is impressive: 8 hours of 3G talk time, 8 hours of LTE browsing, 10 hours of Wi-Fi browsing, 30 hours of video and 225 hours of standby.


Camera

They have also updated the camera. The camera is better than the one in iPhone 4S, with a five-element lense, 8 megapixel sensor, backside illumination, hybrid infrared filter (which will yield better color), and a nice f/2.4 aperture.

It has a new dynamic low light mode (I wonder how it compares to Nokia’s IOS) and, the best of all, a sapphire crystal. Knowing how scratched the glass on my iPhone is—making the photos not as crisp as when it was new—that’s good news.

Bigger thinner lighter... Must feel cheap aye fanboys?

Don't be silly, Apple are innovating.

haha yeah... sounds like they are copying a well known korean brand to me. i see the processor is 50% slower than the galaxy S3. still that's an improvement, the s3 was 300% faster than the 4s.

anyway apple is so bust for ideas they actually boast about having facebook likes integrated into itunes because you know what? itunes users have always gone "god i wish i could like my music on facebook" rather than "i wish itunes wasn't a bloated piece of shit". checked out the guardian commentary, it's hilariously bad sort of like trying to get blood from a stone

"The new iTunes will be available in late October". Note that. Very interesting: why a new iTunes showcased now but not available until late October? Why not just show it then, or just introduce it and let everyone get on with it?

meanwhile there's a huge icloud outage, and apple is blathering on about icloud as if millions of people haven't lost their files.

Such a disappointment. I saw no major changes compared to 4S.
And i guess, all rumors have been confirmed. During Jobs, there was better kind of confidence.

But update of iPod Touch and new iPod nano are actually not bad.

But those circled icons on iPod nano look quite strange

The new iPod touch is a huge improvement on the current one, not too keen on the iPod Nano, but I will be upgrading my Touch.

As for the iPhone, blah blah.

I'm a mac user and even im not thrilled by this. The Galaxy S3 is beggining to look more tempting.

I'm a mac user and even im not thrilled by this. The Galaxy S3 is beggining to look more tempting.

Im actually curious.

What exactly would you like to be different?

What do you prefer about the S3?

http://media.gizmodo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/iphone5meagxldkfg.jpg

Hmm, Lumia is heavy as fook. I hate how heavy the iphone is...

Just had a quick gander on apples website. Looks identical. So innovative.

"The biggest thing to happen to iphone since iphone"

Who the hell comes up with this crap?

one comment i read sums it up nicely



Fuck me, imagine if every newly designed product in this world was launched with the detailed narcissistic fanfare of Apple.

Car manufacturers proudly promoting more ergonomic oil caps, new calculators boasting a redefined colour palette or vacuum cleaners heralding a 0.5 second speed improvement to their power cable recoil.

Detailing such as micron-dimensional improvements, tweaked pin connectors, and ear bud changes should be a given as part of standard technological evolution. It doesn't warrant a song and dance.

Im actually curious.

What exactly would you like to be different?

What do you prefer about the S3?

I'm not even sure to be honest. I think I was just hoping for some more radical updates to the user interface.

I actually quite like my iPhone 4 but do I want to spend the next two years with an updated version of something I know and love or should I jump ship to something different that does more?

Decisions decisions...

Really disappointed... but glad in a way, my contract isn't due an upgrade till april so I won't be jealous of everyone with their iPhone 5 simply because I'm not missing out on anything at all really.

I'll probably wait till the 5S comes out then.

What an absolutely shit phone.

No NFC which has annoyed me, the ridiculous changed position of the earphone jack, the new connector which isn't compatible with anything and thus required to buy an adapter, the barely improved camera and generally a piss poor phone.

Unless they come out with something fantastic next year I'll be switching phones. Such a disappointing launch.