Philippine Education System [Archive] - Page 10

Parchie

December 19th, 2011, 10:08 AM

@Parchie, if you think we're just kowtowing to major world powers by "following to their heeds" because of this Washington Accord in 2016, imagine if we're still stuck up with the old system of exporting manpower to other countries and courting investors in this country. Do you think they'll hire engineers in our country if they saw our curricula? This is of no offense to our engineers.

Pray that these companies would implement a "skills against curricula" kind of hiring process and hope for the best.
FYI, I had very passionate discussions re education in the Philippines with one of my previous expat manager before and I was surprised that it is the skills that matters most when we talk about workers. It doesn't matter to those managers if you got a bigger and more beautiful diploma than me if i can deliver the goods/services management wants me delivered. The bottom line of any business is productivity and quality.

That said, Filipinos who present their school/ college papers and are considered for hiring don't get hired right away. They are interviewed, asked about important questions related to the job and if you don't have any idea/skills about those, you won't get hired.

As he repeatedly said, there were only three requirements he will be looking for in an applicant: 1) attitude, 2) attitude, and 3) more attitude! He further said to me that it doesn't make a person a good mechanic just basing on the length of time that person spent going to the mechanical shop! One needs to get dirty, wipe some oil on his pants, assemble the parts and test-run the equipment he assembled to claim such status of being a good mechanic!

It's been a long fight for us telling our professional organization as well as those disciplines close to us to please tell the CHED to focus more on the narrowing of the big gap between the academe and the industry. During some of our yearly annual conventions, we get replies that the agency is requiring graduating students to undergo OJT so as to familiarize them before they get to graduate and finally work in the field. What happened was that schools cannot assure that the students faithfully did their share in learning the trade (they called it immersion) when they are assigned to an industry of their schools choice. Just like it is easy to get certificates from that street near PRC and these students breezed thru to graduation without having to get "immersed" (thereby nullifying the very reason why they are required to do the dirty portion of their training).

But for all the arguments, it seems CHED and DepEd decided to extend "more visits to the mechanical shop to be a good mechanic", so to speak. I hate to say we are deleting the use of the faculties in our brain here. A failure in the implementation of the education program is now being covered-up by lofty statements in which it will be Juan dela Cruz who will shoulder the enormous costs. This is retrogressing, not progress. Progress is about building on the things that made us great. Jumping from program to program is not a good idea, IMHO.

MatudNilaBaby

December 19th, 2011, 10:42 AM

^^speaking of skills: the extra two-year of basic education will improve and strengthen skills development. it includes interpersonal or communication, reading and writing, analytical or critical thinking, problem solving/ or mathematical, manual and theoretical and computational or computer skills.

im hoping that teachers will focus more on the development of higher order learning skills and not emphasized on rote-memorization. generally, a mechanic with a k+12 curriculum is more likely to be much better prepared for the workplace than a mechanic with a k-10 curriculum.

lets support ched/dep. ed's new basic education curriculum for a better philippines. we have no more reason of feeling inferior to graduates of other countries if our curriculum are compared.

mikael21

December 20th, 2011, 03:13 AM

Ady001

December 20th, 2011, 03:13 AM

@Parchie, amen to that. My friend who was reared under the auspices of UWash did inform me that while there are some aspects of Philippine education that are "quite harder" than learning in the US, it's all pure theory, pure memorization, nothing more than that.

I remembered that anecdote my father gave to me about this cum laude graduate from a prestigious university we had in Davao but he can't even be acquainted in going through the city's major thoroughfares.

Theory will remain theory and useless as it is when it is left unused, only speculated, left unlearned. Yet not all theories can be understood at once. Understanding will take time, and time means an added four years.

amigo32

December 20th, 2011, 08:53 AM

I remembered that anecdote my father gave to me about this cum laude graduate from a prestigious university we had in Davao but he can't even be acquainted in going through the city's major thoroughfares.
ngek:D common sense lang namn kailangan doon:D

Parchie

December 20th, 2011, 10:12 AM

ngek:D common sense lang namn kailangan doon:D
Si senor! Un buen sentido común! Mi amigo!

Si, si, sipa-in kita dyan! hahaha

b_9904

December 20th, 2011, 10:22 AM

Theory will remain theory and useless as it is when it is left unused, only speculated, left unlearned. Yet not all theories can be understood at once. Understanding will take time, and time means an added four years.

Our school forced its students to become MATH pros. (Chinese school po kasi)

Our teachers made us learn math subjects being taught at the College level as in BS Math level ha. Ang dami sa batch ko nasa maka-math na courses like engineering.

How did my school do it? Sinimulan nila kami paka-inin ng math sa elementary level palang.

Parchie

December 20th, 2011, 10:45 AM

Our school forced its students to become MATH pros. (Chinese school po kasi)

Our teachers made us learn math subjects being taught at the College level as in BS Math level ha. Ang dami sa batch ko nasa maka-math na courses like engineering.

How did my school do it? Sinimulan nila kami paka-inin ng math sa elementary level palang.
The Chinese way of learning has its own advantages and disadvantages. We call those as the rote method of learning. Repeating and repeating things until everything becomes second nature. But the world is not full of scenes as if all are running like machines. Predictable, such that the mere click of a well-practiced chore solves it all!

More often than not, we are subjected to random events with which a rote-learned human sometimes cannot cope up with. That is where the basic understanding of the things in life hold supreme, IMHO. That is what I meant when I said it's not the length of time spent burning candles and or "visit to the machine shop" that matters. It is how the person/s was learning what ought to be learned. It's no question "quality" is better than "quantity".

Then I will go back to my rant, why did our government follow a path where we are extending the time when the problem was "quality" of education? Does it mean students will have to repeat and repeat things so that they will be considered "learned"? I don't even believe that our government understand that every person is unique. They wanted to set the time frame for all to hurdle thru, time wasted for fast learners; time not enough for mediocre, mirrors of the present admin.

Sorry, I guess it's the weather getting thru me.

Ady001

December 20th, 2011, 10:47 AM

Parchie

December 20th, 2011, 11:13 AM

^^ Iba din kasi approach ng school nyo kasi, para atang binombard kayo ng mathematics subjects until you get to appreciate it. Well, it could be a good or bad thing for some but it does produce results.

Unfortunately not all of us start young and start rich.

@Parchie, repeating things does work for the Kumon method.
For HMI or working with machines, maybe. To live and survive in this ever competitive environment, I guess not. I thought about having my kids go there, but like I have said, I have doubts as to whether it's worth the hassles.

See it like this:K+12 is good, I'd say why? And ask back: Why not? Then I remembered what an SVD priest explained to me how education was and is in Germany! That was a Jew from Germany who is a priest! (Please learn how they mold their children in Germany).

Could it be that we are benchmarking on the wrong education system? You can deny through your teeth but it seems all signs tell us it is so.

b_9904

December 20th, 2011, 11:21 AM

The Chinese way of learning has its own advantages and disadvantages. We call those as the rote method of learning. Repeating and repeating things until everything becomes second nature.

Generally, I agree with this statement.

Pero they didn't just made us memorize it. They simplified the entire process and thought us the REASON behind the equation and the RATIONALE behind the simplification.

they didn't give us easy problems either. They gave us "life-like" problems wherein these equations can be applied, although they stuck to the most basic of examples.

More often than not, we are subjected to random events with which a rote-learned human sometimes cannot cope up with. That is where the basic understanding of the things in life hold supreme, IMHO.

Though I agree with your comment but I believe that comes with experience. A lot of it.

Kaya laking pasalamat ko sa Counter Strike eh. Dahil sa kanya na kick out ako. Napilitan akong mag work muna, then dun ko lang na realize I wanna take up a business related course and it reminded me na gusto ko talaga mag law.

Your comment somehow reminded me of the movie "with honors" by Brendan Frasier.

why did our government follow a path where we are extending the time when the problem was "quality" of education?

I don't think its just the quality of the education that is the problem. Circumstances surrounding the student affects his performance MORE than the school could impact him.

I've seen this happen with a lot of people in Cavite. The student is really struggling to study in school AND to help his father support their HUGE family (RH BILL!). In the end, yung mga younger siblings lang nila ang nakapag tapos ng college.

^^ Iba din kasi approach ng school nyo kasi, para atang binombard kayo ng mathematics subjects until you get to appreciate it. Well, it could be a good or bad thing for some but it does produce results.

Unfortunately not all of us start young and start rich.

@Parchie, repeating things does work for the Kumon method.

Yes, they did. Binomba talaga kami nun. Sabi ko nga eh... FORCED kami maging math pros halos lahat kami nag grad ahead sa HALOS LAHAT ng mga freshmen. Although, hindi gaano nadevelop yung ibang talents namin like sa arts and literature.

Trade off I guess.

Yeah, hindi lahat nakakapag aral sa private school. Which is sad.

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Anyways, ang puno at dulo ng sinasabi ko ay... PWEDE ITO GAWIN IN FOUR YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL.

Shazzam

December 20th, 2011, 11:43 AM

I think BS Astronomy is offered sa UP Diliman pero if you mean high school, sa mga special science high schools, may basic astronomy course din ata.

Rizal Technological University, in Boni Ave Mandaluyong City has BS Astronomy, subsidized by the DOST I supposed. Guaranteed may trabaho agad pagka-graduate.

Officialdmcileasing

December 21st, 2011, 01:29 AM

Rizal Technological University, in Boni Ave Mandaluyong City has BS Astronomy, subsidized by the DOST I supposed. Guaranteed may trabaho agad pagka-graduate.

^^^^ many schools already promises jobs after graduation.. but.. :ohno::ohno: Some are just promises that we're meant to be broken. :nuts::nuts:

skyion

December 21st, 2011, 01:30 AM

How are the Academic Institutions in this country doing its expected responsibility in addressing the recent alarming problems occurring, in particular the deadly typhoon that recently ravaged Northern Mindanao?

Ady001

December 21st, 2011, 03:12 AM

Yes, they did. Binomba talaga kami nun. Sabi ko nga eh... FORCED kami maging math pros halos lahat kami nag grad ahead sa HALOS LAHAT ng mga freshmen. Although, hindi gaano nadevelop yung ibang talents namin like sa arts and literature.

Trade off I guess.

Yeah, hindi lahat nakakapag aral sa private school. Which is sad.

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Anyways, ang puno at dulo ng sinasabi ko ay... PWEDE ITO GAWIN IN FOUR YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL.

It is doable in four years.

However, not everyone can do it in four years.

Let me ask you, how many years did you study in that school or how many years did that program flourish?

Were there pressures in between?

If you placed in 2 years more, you would've added a little bit of art and literature in your subjects and would've added that kind of skill in your schooling.

Pero these are factors why some could do it in four years:

1 - Familial pressures
2 - School pressures
3 - Self-pressure
4 - talagang bright lang
5 - They started young
6 - their environment is conducive to study
7 - Cultural pressure
8 - Merit-based incentives

And perhaps adding the humanities would've widened your view (and appreciated law as well!)

Ady001

December 21st, 2011, 03:13 AM

^^^^ many schools already promises jobs after graduation.. but.. :ohno::ohno: Some are just promises that we're meant to be broken. :nuts::nuts:

Oh yeah, I remember those being advertised by some well-known computer schools :lol:

Ady001

December 21st, 2011, 03:20 AM

For HMI or working with machines, maybe. To live and survive in this ever competitive environment, I guess not. I thought about having my kids go there, but like I have said, I have doubts as to whether it's worth the hassles.

See it like this:K+12 is good, I'd say why? And ask back: Why not? Then I remembered what an SVD priest explained to me how education was and is in Germany! That was a Jew from Germany who is a priest! (Please learn how they mold their children in Germany).

Could it be that we are benchmarking on the wrong education system? You can deny through your teeth but it seems all signs tell us it is so.

We're probably benchmarking with some wrong educational system but remember, no educational system is perfect in a way, although nasa estudyante pa din kung saan siya pupunta at saan siya paroroon. However, as a country we have to know where we fit in and where we should stand. Singapore used the borrow and adapt method but they made their own curricula in math and look at what they've reached!

I hope experimental and incubation classes would be set up to test new curricula, put up good variables, and see on where our new curricula would stand.

Parchie

December 21st, 2011, 03:53 AM

We're probably benchmarking with some wrong educational system but remember, no educational system is perfect in a way, although nasa estudyante pa din kung saan siya pupunta at saan siya paroroon. However, as a country we have to know where we fit in and where we should stand. Singapore used the borrow and adapt method but they made their own curricula in math and look at what they've reached!

I hope experimental and incubation classes would be set up to test new curricula, put up good variables, and see on where our new curricula would stand.
So I caught the magic word! "experiment and incubate"! Very noble idea. I now have to ask the DepEd and CHED why not "experiment and incubate" first before forcing the K+12 to all the people? Like the branded medicines we are enjoying the benefits of, medical labs use large amounts of money to test and verify the efficacy of those tablets as well as the side-effects. Who's going to benefit from all these exercises? Is it the book printers? The educational materials suppliers? etc. Poor Juan dela Cruz and his kids! They're not on the list.

b_9904

December 21st, 2011, 07:58 AM

It is doable in four years.

However, not everyone can do it in four years.

Let me ask you, how many years did you study in that school or how many years did that program flourish?

And perhaps adding the humanities would've widened your view (and appreciated law as well!)

question... humanities at literature and art lang ba idadagdag sa K+12?

maybe not everyone could do it in four years but how could we explain batch after batch of students with above average aptitude for math? This also holds true in other Chinese schools, though average lang sila :lol: kidding.

I transferred to my school when I was in grade five. so... 6 years?

If you placed in 2 years more, you would've added a little bit of art and literature in your subjects and would've added that kind of skill in your schooling.

i dont think so. its the policy of that school to prepare us for highly technical courses (eng, health sciences, science course, etc.). hangang ngayon alam ko ganun pa din policy ng school na yun. pero malay ba natin... pag nag K+12 baka nga mag dagdag sila ng ibang subject na hindi related sa math or science.

re: law. bata pa ako gusto ko na mag law. pero hindi ko sure if kaya ko yung +4 years na pag aaral. its only when I worked and realized na kaya kong mag tiis kahit mahirap ang work ko na kaya ko din tiisin ang +4 years of law.

Were there pressures in between?

Pero these are factors why some could do it in four years:

1 - Familial pressures
2 - School pressures
3 - Self-pressure
4 - talagang bright lang
5 - They started young
6 - their environment is conducive to study
7 - Cultural pressure
8 - Merit-based incentives

teka... kelan ba nawalan ng pressure ang school? :lol:

I might agree with your factors EXCEPT number 4.

Ady001

December 21st, 2011, 08:38 AM

^^ Actually being brainy is one of the probably more obvious reasons why some kids still have the capability to go for four years. Kung matalino ang estudyante at merong ibubuga talagang fit na fit na ang four years.

If you went to a public school, especially those in the provinces, you will see why.

I think it's not only arts and literature; they'll probably even out some of the subjects, maybe add more practical ones and deleter less useful ones. It's all a matter of school policy on what they will probably find as useful. Perhaps your old school might come out with what, intermediate or advanced Mandarin? Or some unusual subjects like actuarial science.

Sorry I haven't been schooled in a Chinese school (alang pera eh:cry::cry:)

And your six years obviously gave you an advantage in their curriculum; at least nasanay ka na within that time period.

@Parchie the big problem with incubation is that some of those in DepEd had been doing it but they're not doing it very well. May ibang nakulangan sa pondo, or nalihis ng landas yung curriculum or di siguro akma sa ibang grupo ng estudyante because of socio-economic factors. If only there's a rigid program that they could plan in order to remedy this.

And of course, if the accord will go in full force sometime now (in 2016 or 2020?) they have no choice but to fully implement it in a wide-scale to catch up.

b_9904

December 21st, 2011, 10:03 AM

Actually being brainy is one of the probably more obvious reasons why some kids still have the capability to go for four years. Kung matalino ang estudyante at merong ibubuga talagang fit na fit na ang four years.

may pustahan kami ng best friend ko sa law school. pinagpustahan namin whether or not the creme de la creme class of San Beda Law would out perform the lowest of the low. My theory is this... SIPAG at TIYAGA, his was... its in the genes.

After a semester later... I won the bet.

So what is my point? Well, impossible naman na lahat ng mga bata na nagtapos sa school namin ay brainy. hindi din sila mayayaman. as a matter of fact, isa kami sa mga subsidized schools ng mga Buddhist monks. It ain't as cheap as public school but compared to other private schools for sure nasa baba kami ng listahan.

If you went to a public school, especially those in the provinces, you will see why.

yung mga pinsan ko sa mother side sa Negros nag public school din. pero ok naman sila eh. capable in math and science AND magaling din sa english!

well... teacher naman kasi din yung tita ko :lol:

I think it's not only arts and literature; they'll probably even out some of the subjects, maybe add more practical ones and deleter less useful ones. It's all a matter of school policy on what they will probably find as useful. Perhaps your old school might come out with what, intermediate or advanced Mandarin? Or some unusual subjects like actuarial science.

if schools will be FORCED to add subjects aimed at giving kids vocational skills then I'm all for K+12. Otherwise, there is no point.

pero pag tumagal ako sa school na yun malamang marunong na ako mag luto ng shabu ngayon. barkada ko pa yung magaling na "thief" ng mga test papers dun. super rebellious ng mga tao saamin. :lol:

good thing nalang talaga apat na taon lang ang HS. :D

Sorry I haven't been schooled in a Chinese school (alang pera eh)

public school ka po ba?

nung 1999 i think yung tuition namin ay nasa 15k ata kada sem. so 30k kada taon yun.

And your six years obviously gave you an advantage in their curriculum; at least nasanay ka na within that time period.

swim or die dun eh. so no choice ka. :lol:

May nabasa ako dati sa isang leadership manual: our schools force round pegs into square holes. I tend to agree.

Instead of K+12 dapat siguro ipursige ng pamahalaan yung sports academy at yung performing arts school.

xxxriainxxx

December 21st, 2011, 01:11 PM

Ako 5 years lang ang grade school ko instead of 6. :D

Parchie

December 21st, 2011, 03:33 PM

Ako 5 years lang ang grade school ko instead of 6. :D
If I may be allowed to ask: if you were to live your life all over again, do you feel you should have gone thru 7 years of grade school and go 5 more years in high school?

I don't to make fun of you but I just want others to hear an honest reply re this K+12 thing. This question can also be directed to others who may want to answer.

b_9904

December 21st, 2011, 04:42 PM

Parchie

December 21st, 2011, 06:28 PM

masaya na ako sa old system.
Plus 1, makes us 2!

mikael21

December 22nd, 2011, 02:20 AM

If I may be allowed to ask: if you were to live your life all over again, do you feel you should have gone thru 7 years of grade school and go 5 more years in high school?

I don't to make fun of you but I just want others to hear an honest reply re this K+12 thing. This question can also be directed to others who may want to answer.

the traditional system would do, most especially when they provide quality education both private and public sector. Provide adequate facilities in the country mostly in remote areas.

Ady001

December 22nd, 2011, 02:57 AM

may pustahan kami ng best friend ko sa law school. pinagpustahan namin whether or not the creme de la creme class of San Beda Law would out perform the lowest of the low. My theory is this... SIPAG at TIYAGA, his was... its in the genes.

After a semester later... I won the bet.

So what is my point? Well, impossible naman na lahat ng mga bata na nagtapos sa school namin ay brainy. hindi din sila mayayaman. as a matter of fact, isa kami sa mga subsidized schools ng mga Buddhist monks. It ain't as cheap as public school but compared to other private schools for sure nasa baba kami ng listahan.

Di nga lahat pero may iba naman. Yes, not all students who are considered brainy could be considered as achievers in their field. Nasa sipag at tiyaga talaga yan pero it's still a plus if you have the brains and the environment to live in.

And of course, remember those child prodigies you see in TV in the nineties? where are they now?

However, di naman tayong lahat maging kagaya ni Algernon or (ugghh) Budoy.

yung mga pinsan ko sa mother side sa Negros nag public school din. pero ok naman sila eh. capable in math and science AND magaling din sa english!

well... teacher naman kasi din yung tita ko :lol:

Well, at least I was born to be straight-laced. I have no "connections" but I guess it helped me survive though.

if schools will be FORCED to add subjects aimed at giving kids vocational skills then I'm all for K+12. Otherwise, there is no point.

pero pag tumagal ako sa school na yun malamang marunong na ako mag luto ng shabu ngayon. barkada ko pa yung magaling na "thief" ng mga test papers dun. super rebellious ng mga tao saamin. :lol:

good thing nalang talaga apat na taon lang ang HS. :D

They have to. Otherwise, balewala lang ang four years di ba?

public school ka po ba?

nung 1999 i think yung tuition namin ay nasa 15k ata kada sem. so 30k kada taon yun.

Too expensive at that time. I was from the Assumption School of Davao during my elementary days 1993-1999 and we spent around 4-5k per academic year.

when I went public, wala pang isang libo or siguro 500 ang nagagasta ko kada school year.

And in UP days, it was no more than 6000 per sem (2003-2007.)

swim or die dun eh. so no choice ka. :lol:

May nabasa ako dati sa isang leadership manual: our schools force round pegs into square holes. I tend to agree.

Instead of K+12 dapat siguro ipursige ng pamahalaan yung sports academy at yung performing arts school.

Mahirap din ata yan. If you bend students to do sports and performing arts, they'd be bent to follow to that discipline; that wouldn't make them well-rounded students.

And of course, bibihira lang sa atin yung na-da-draft sa PBA and bibihira lang talaga ang pwedeng masabing career yung arts, unless you're teaching. I'm not saying na walang pera sa art, it's just that man doesn't live by bread alone. He had to know the ropes as well.

Ady001

December 22nd, 2011, 02:59 AM

If I may be allowed to ask: if you were to live your life all over again, do you feel you should have gone thru 7 years of grade school and go 5 more years in high school?

I don't to make fun of you but I just want others to hear an honest reply re this K+12 thing. This question can also be directed to others who may want to answer.

Depende.

If I was born bright with all the elements to make my learning conducive, I-accelerate mo pa ako, SIGE!

Pero kung I was born poor, or born ugok na talagang slow-learning, I'm going for K+12 years.

all in all, K+12 pleases everyone and it's the status quo.

Ady001

December 22nd, 2011, 03:03 AM

the traditional system would do, most especially when they provide quality education both private and public sector. Provide adequate facilities in the country mostly in remote areas.

How then can you provide quality education if the student's learning curve isn't the best?

It's like forcing people to watch cerebral, experimental films when all they want is Ang Panday or Enteng Kabisote.

And another thing. If you want students with that kind of level of thinking, you have to adjust your society to be mature as well.

Which, unfortunately, is not the case in this country.

Ergo, to make this society mature, not only do our leaders have to be one, but us as well.

And it all starts at school.

Parchie

December 23rd, 2011, 05:46 AM

Depende.

If I was born bright with all the elements to make my learning conducive, I-accelerate mo pa ako, SIGE!

Pero kung I was born poor, or born ugok na talagang slow-learning, I'm going for K+12 years.

all in all, K+12 pleases everyone and it's the status quo.
Ang lupit at ang anghang ng mga salita mo dyan! Hehehehe!

I can't help but have my personal understanding on how DepEd and CHED sees all of our children in the Philippines, if that's the case: all our children are "born ugok", "slow-learners" and most of all "born of poor parents" that's why K+12 should be implemented at all costs!

But your claim re "Depende" perhaps absolves you there, good buddy!
FYI, I personally know of a congressman who breezed thru high school in two year! He spent just half a year for every year level. When he took the bar, he placed third. That only proves education psychology is indeed wanting in our education system.

amigo32

December 23rd, 2011, 06:25 AM

A friend named Doogie Howser MD became a doctor at age 14:D

Ady001

December 23rd, 2011, 06:41 AM

Ang lupit at ang anghang ng mga salita mo dyan! Hehehehe!

I can't help but have my personal understanding on how DepEd and CHED sees all of our children in the Philippines, if that's the case: all our children are "born ugok", "slow-learners" and most of all "born of poor parents" that's why K+12 should be implemented at all costs!

But your claim re "Depende" perhaps absolves you there, good buddy!
FYI, I personally know of a congressman who breezed thru high school in two year! He spent just half a year for every year level. When he took the bar, he placed third. That only proves education psychology is indeed wanting in our education system.

Kaya nga depende eh.

Sasalain ng K+12 yung mga mahihina at malalakas. It's not that all kids in this country are slow learners or "born ugok," it's just that not all have the chance and the pace to learn like others do.

And of course kung babagsak ang estudyante, there could be other factors that are not only based on understanding like busy and estudyante or family problems.

About the congressman, bakit kaya naimbento ang Honoris Causa Parchie ano? Bakit kaya?

Ady001

December 23rd, 2011, 06:42 AM

A friend named Doogie Howser MD became a doctor at age 14:D

One acquaintance of mine who took up her masters in the US in Mathematics had a kid whiz (underage kid) who takes the class with her.

Parchie

December 23rd, 2011, 10:35 AM

Kaya nga depende eh.

Sasalain ng K+12 yung mga mahihina at malalakas. It's not that all kids in this country are slow learners or "born ugok," it's just that not all have the chance and the pace to learn like others do.

And of course kung babagsak ang estudyante, there could be other factors that are not only based on understanding like busy and estudyante or family problems.

About the congressman, bakit kaya naimbento ang Honoris Causa Parchie ano? Bakit kaya?
Honorary awards are given by institutions just as the word means, because of the honor one gives to the discipline! BTW, that congressman I was personally aware of was a practicing lawyer before he entered politics. Passing the bar has nothing to do with awards given by universities to government officials by virtue of ones help, to state a fact.

Back to the original topic, I think we don't need K+12 in order to know how our students are learning. Acceleration of grade promotions if students exhibit fast learning has been done before. I don't know if DePEd still has existing guidelines on this.

b_9904

December 23rd, 2011, 12:39 PM

Mahirap din ata yan. If you bend students to do sports and performing arts, they'd be bent to follow to that discipline; that wouldn't make them well-rounded students.

And of course, bibihira lang sa atin yung na-da-draft sa PBA and bibihira lang talaga ang pwedeng masabing career yung arts, unless you're teaching. I'm not saying na walang pera sa art, it's just that man doesn't live by bread alone. He had to know the ropes as well.

hindi yun ang tinutukoy ko...

madami saatin ang talent ay nasa sports at the arts... so those SPECIALIZED schools should cultivate those talents.

MatudNilaBaby

December 23rd, 2011, 11:17 PM

hindi yun ang tinutukoy ko...

madami saatin ang talent ay nasa sports at the arts... so those SPECIALIZED schools should cultivate those talents.

you can call such specialized school as magnet school. in cebu, the mandaue city highschool for the performing arts is a magnet school for students interested in developing their skills in music, visual arts, theater arts, creative writing, media arts and dance aside from the required general education classes.

sports is already an integrated curriculum in all schools but it has not been a specialized field yet.

Ady001

December 24th, 2011, 03:27 AM

hindi yun ang tinutukoy ko...

madami saatin ang talent ay nasa sports at the arts... so those SPECIALIZED schools should cultivate those talents.

Art does not pay alone. You have to learn how to sell it as well.

Ady001

December 24th, 2011, 03:30 AM

Honorary awards are given by institutions just as the word means, because of the honor one gives to the discipline! BTW, that congressman I was personally aware of was a practicing lawyer before he entered politics. Passing the bar has nothing to do with awards given by universities to government officials by virtue of ones help, to state a fact.

Back to the original topic, I think we don't need K+12 in order to know how our students are learning. Acceleration of grade promotions if students exhibit fast learning has been done before. I don't know if DePEd still has existing guidelines on this.

Different strokes for different folks.

We need to have K+12 to give breathing space to our students. How many school days does the Philippines have? How many typhoons pass us every year? How many school hours are lost then? and are all of those school days easily replaced?

epik ll ian

December 25th, 2011, 02:46 AM

Parchie

December 25th, 2011, 02:38 PM

Different strokes for different folks.

We need to have K+12 to give breathing space to our students. How many school days does the Philippines have? How many typhoons pass us every year? How many school hours are lost then? and are all of those school days easily replaced?
I would like to believe that what you're pointing out is the correct basis for a "proper education system" that we should have. Granting, without admitting the obvious line of reasoning I got from your post, what can y'all say about this web post:

Longer School Days, Better Outcomes?
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9 Conclusions

This paper presents new evidence of the effects of time spent in school during secondary education on a variety of different dimensions, ranging from schooling attainment and social behavior during adolescence to cognitive, socio-emotional and labor market outcomes during adulthood. We do this by exploiting the convenient structure of the Chilean schooling system and its changes during the period 1995-2000.

"Our results suggest in general longer school days have positive effects on individual's behavior which do not necessarily translate into better labor market outcomes."More (http://cemapre.iseg.utl.pt/events/1e3/papers/Tiago%20Pires.pdf)

Ady001

December 25th, 2011, 08:18 PM

^^ Oh great, some people are ranting the same thing. This is from Singapore:

http://www.salary.sg/2008/mba-not-so-good-after-all/

http://forums.sgclub.com/singapore/masters_degree_holder_380069.html

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20100616-222438.html

And look at this:

4M98x-FLp7E

Y_ZwY99womA

Now, with the current market, do you all think we should still get K-12? Some of you might think it's already obvious but I think otherwise. Thoughts?

Parchie

December 28th, 2011, 03:34 AM

Improving Student Achievement by Extending School: Is It Just a Matter of Time?
by Julie Aronson, Joy Zimmerman, and Lisa Carlos

In cases where time is already well utilized, such that there is a high proportion of engaged and academic learning time, extending the length of the school day or year is likely to have the desired outcome of increasing student achievement.
In cases where time is not already well utilized, increasing allocated time is not likely to produce substantial gains in student achievement. In such cases, the first step should be to improve the quality of existing time.
At the school level, strategies such as better time management, increasing the proportion of time spent on academic subjects, and adopting alternative academic calendars can help to maximize the amount of time available for student learning.
The key to increasing student learning is to maximize the amount of academic learning time; that is, to utilize education time in ways in which students are actively engaged in learning at appropriate levels of difficulty.
Standards-based education increases the need to give students more academic learning time.
Teachers also need more time, especially for professional development.
Time outside of school can be used to enhance student learning.

Conclusion
In conclusion, it appears that time is but one of several important variables in the complex equation that determines how much students learn in school.

The research literature suggests that, while time is certainly a critical factor, by itself it has little direct impact on student performance.

Simply adding time to the school year or day would not likely produce large-scale gains in student achievement. Rather, what research studies repeatedly find is that in education, quality is the key to making time matter. Of particular importance is providing curriculum and instruction geared to the needs and abilities of students, engaging them so they will return day after day, continuing to build on what they have learned. In other words, educators must — to the greatest extent possible — make every hour count. What matters most are those catalytic moments when students are absorbed in instructional activities that are adequately challenging, yet allow them to experience success.

This then — maximizing the time during which students are actively and appropriately engaged in learning — is one lens through which any education reform measure should be viewed. Policymakers and practitioners should evaluate any potential reform with an eye to whether and how it will contribute to increasing the amount of time when students are truly learning. Only when time is used more effectively will adding more of it begin to result in improved learning outcomes for all students.

FULL TEXT (http://www.wested.org/online_pubs/po-98-02.pdf)

b_two

December 28th, 2011, 05:10 AM

mikael21

December 28th, 2011, 07:43 AM

:ohno:Tama, kaso ilang henerasyon na nagdaan, ilang administrasyon na rin ang humawak still main problem pa rin ang inadequate schools resources, good teachers sa bansa.

amigo32

December 28th, 2011, 09:11 AM

wait lang ha, dahil tuwid na ang daan, magkatotoo ang inyong mga pangarap:lol:

mikael21

December 29th, 2011, 03:08 AM

wait lang ha, dahil tuwid na ang daan, magkatotoo ang inyong mga pangarap:lol:

:angel1:

MatudNilaBaby

December 29th, 2011, 04:12 AM

imo before we jump into the k+12 system it is a must that we fix our education sector first. problems like the ratio of books, classrooms, teachers, etc. to students in the present system should be solved first. if we are facing huge problems with the present system... how much more with the proposed k+12?

be realistic.

with the way flips think and behave, what you wish for will not happen in our lifetime. its good to adapt a new strategy to put back our competitiveness in the global market.

actually what you hoped for can be accomplished in areas like the metropolitan or highly urbanized places thats in keeping with what other global cities are doing. but speaking for the improvement of the quality of education for the entire country is a hard sell. we can only make baby steps to acquire what we hoped for our younger generation.

Ady001

December 29th, 2011, 05:58 AM

imo before we jump into the k+12 system it is a must that we fix our education sector first. problems like the ratio of books, classrooms, teachers, etc. to students in the present system should be solved first. if we are facing huge problems with the present system... how much more with the proposed k+12?

be realistic.

Wishing for that is like wishing for world peace sir. Let's be realistic as well. Unless may panggastos ka for that then we could go with that plan. Corruption is a festering boil that seems to grow like a Promethian wound that cannot be killed. It's part of the system.

What the system needs is something uncorruptible, something new; a new battleground that we all could work on. and that is one of the most precious things that money could never buy- Time.

Money can bribe, steal, cheat, and lie, but it cannot buy time.

And time is what everyone needs now.

Let's work with realistic goals first, and I know K+12 is more realistic than doing all of those. The reason why we have K+12 is to free up the system and give a leeway to the students.

davaob4now

December 29th, 2011, 02:01 PM

Asian University Ranking 2011
Rank School Name Country Classification Score
1 The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Hong Kong M|CO| 100.00
2 University of Hong Kong Hong Kong L|FC| 99.80
3 National University of Singapore (NUS) Singapore XL|FC 99.30
4 The University of Tokyo Japan L|FC| 97.40
5 The Chinese University of Hong Kong Hong Kong L|FC| 97.20
6 Seoul National University Korea, South L|FC| 96.90
7 Kyoto University Japan L|FC| 96.30
8 Osaka University Japan L|FC| 96.09
9= Tohoku University Japan L|FC| 94.30
9= Tokyo Institute of Technology Japan M|CO| 94.30
11 KAIST - Korea Advanced Institute of Science & Technology Korea, South M|CO| 94.20
12 Pohang University of Science And Technology (POSTECH) Korea, South S|FO| 93.59
13 Peking University China L|FC| 93.30
14 Nagoya University Japan L|FC| 92.80
15 City University of Hong Kong Hong Kong M|CO| 91.20
16 Tsinghua University China XL|FC 90.20
17 Nanyang Technological University (NTU) Singapore L|CO| 89.40
18= Yonsei University Korea, South XL|FC 86.90
18= Kyushu University Japan L|FC| 86.90
20 Hokkaido University Japan L|FC| 85.80
21= Fudan University China L|FC| 85.09
21= National Taiwan University (NTU) Taiwan XL|FC 85.09
23 University of Tsukuba Japan L|FC| 82.30
24= Keio University Japan XL|FC 81.90
24= University of Science and Technology of China China L|CO| 81.90
26 Korea University Korea, South XL|FC 80.80
27= Sungkyunkwan University Korea, South L|FC| 79.59
27= Zhejiang University China XL|FC 79.59
29 Nanjing University China L|FC| 79.20
30 The Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hong Kong L|CO|
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rankings (http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/asian-university-rankings/2011)

el_dasik_oo1

December 29th, 2011, 03:53 PM

suntex

December 29th, 2011, 04:04 PM

suntex

December 29th, 2011, 04:08 PM

siguro ang 1 at 2 spot ay subrang tatalino dyan no? daig pa nila ang top 1-10 sa world, di naka 100% ang rate sa grading

parang ganito lang yan

1. maganda ang school? grade-perfect
2. may research sa loob at labas ng klase? perfect
3. perfect ang exam ng bawat quiz or exams? perferct, dyan masasabi ko sila na ang superhuman sa mundo

el_dasik_oo1

December 29th, 2011, 04:10 PM

^ Not that I'm favoring the government pero it takes two to tango. We also have to blame ourselves din naman.

Ady001

December 30th, 2011, 03:14 AM

rAxviLLe

December 30th, 2011, 03:20 AM

Share ko lang ito

Asian University Rankings Results 2011

Rank School Name/Score
62= University of the Philippines/58.10
65 Ateneo de Manila University/57.20
104= University of Santo Tomas/47.10
107 De La Salle University/45.90
201+ University of Southeastern Philippines/18.70
201+ Silliman University/18.50
201+ Xavier University/16.40
201+ University of San Carlos/14.00
201+ Central Mindanao University/13.60
201+ Mapua Institute of Technology/11.40
201+ Adamson University/10.40
201+ Saint Louis University/10.00
201+ Father Saturnino Urios College/6.20
201+ Polytechnic University of the Philippines/6.10
201+ Mindanao State University/5.70

pulsephaze22

December 30th, 2011, 01:52 PM

^^ Imagine if UP's got facilities comparable to those on the Top 10. Feeling ko yun lang ang kulang sa kanila eh.

todjikid

December 30th, 2011, 06:05 PM

^^ Imagine if UP's got facilities comparable to those on the Top 10. Feeling ko yun lang ang kulang sa kanila eh.

With UP's National Science Complex, National Engineering Complex and Technology Business Incubation and research oriented initiatives such as Philippine Genome Center ...UP is on-track towards modernization.

National Institute of Physics
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http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02169.jpg

Institute of Math
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02162.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02159.jpg

Institute of Chem
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02172.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02173.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC01795-1.jpg

Institute of Biology
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02185.jpg
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National Institute of Molecular Biology and Biotech
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/images.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02181.jpg

Institute of Meteorology and Environmental Sciences
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC01778.jpg

National Institute of Geological Sciences
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC01775.jpg

Marine Science Institute
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC01766.jpg

National Science Complex Oval
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02182.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC01326.jpg

Materials Mining and Metallurgy
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02149.jpg
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http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02152.jpg

Electrical and Electronics Engineering Phase 2
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02146.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02145.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/eeei2.jpg

Under construction din ang Institute of Civil Engineering
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/Slide1-6.jpg

and Institute of Energy and Environmental Engineering (but I can't get in to take pictures)
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/Picture123.jpg

I think malapit na rin matatapos ang Industrial and Mechanical Eng'g building
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/me.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02006.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02002.jpg

Engineering Library II
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02147.jpg
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/DSC02148.jpg

Kita ko na rin ang skeleton ng National Science Complex Admin Building

todjikid

December 30th, 2011, 06:22 PM

and it was former president GMA who alloted close to 5B pesos (i think) in the construction of the National Science and Engineering Complexes.

ralfy

December 31st, 2011, 08:14 AM

Parchie

December 31st, 2011, 09:19 AM

We cannot fix other problems and not impose a K-12 system because part of the problem is lack of years, i.e., we're actually cramming a 12-year curriculum into 10 years.

What has happened is that for the past 80 years (the 12-year program was first proposed in 1921) we've been setting aside dealing with one problem by using another as an excuse. Because of that, we now have multiple problems piled on top of each other.

The recent move to require K-12 was brought about by an APEC regime requirement. That is, APEC members want us to graduate students who received this type of education by 2020, or else we're out of the regime. We'll also not be able to agree to things like the Washington and Bologna accords because these will also require 12-year systems, too.

The consequences may be unacceptable, as other countries might accept only students or graduates from countries that require 12 years.

No amount of posting pretty pictures of campus buildings or even ratings will help. For the first, our colleges and universities face the same problems as our primary and secondary schools. For the second, we have something like the twelfth largest college population in the world, and we can barely get four schools into rankings.

Worse, we cannot even follow our own standards, which are already very low. For example, we require at least a master's degree for tertiary college and uni profs (it's a PhD for some countries) but only around 25 pct of our teachers qualify, and only around 6 pct have PhDs. See, you did know that it is really not a matter of extending the number of school years! look closely:
Worse, we cannot even follow our own standards, which are already very low. For example, we require at least a master's degree for tertiary college and uni profs (it's a PhD for some countries) but only around 25 pct of our teachers qualify, and only around 6 pct have PhDs.You are saying that our existing system lacks quality due to teachers' qualifications/ capacity to teach! How about commenting on this portion of a previous post of mine?:
Conclusion
In conclusion, it appears that time is but one of several important variables in the complex equation that determines how much students learn in school.

The research literature suggests that, while time is certainly a critical factor, by itself it has little direct impact on student performance.

Simply adding time to the school year or day would not likely produce large-scale gains in student achievement.

Rather, what research studies repeatedly find is that in education, quality is the key to making time matter. Of particular importance is providing curriculum and instruction geared to the needs and abilities of students, engaging them so they will return day after day, continuing to build on what they have learned. In other words, educators must — to the greatest extent possible — make every hour count. What matters most are those catalytic moments when students are absorbed in instructional activities that are adequately challenging, yet allow them to experience success.

Ady001

December 31st, 2011, 01:36 PM

^^ Cite reliable proof that shorter years in formal education is beneficial please.

coffeeworld

December 31st, 2011, 02:06 PM

Parchie

December 31st, 2011, 04:34 PM

^^ Cite reliable proof that shorter years in formal education is beneficial please.
I would be very much obliged if people really want to know. But take note that my point in these arguments is that on the need to focus on the "quality of education" and not extending the number of school years after kindergarten! If I may post again the research findings I've posted earlier:

In cases where time is already well utilized, such that there is a high proportion of engaged and academic learning time, extending the length of the school day or year is likely to have the desired outcome of increasing student achievement.
In cases where time is not already well utilized, increasing allocated time is not likely to produce substantial gains in student achievement. In such cases, the first step should be to improve the quality of existing time.
At the school level, strategies such as better time management, increasing the proportion of time spent on academic subjects, and adopting alternative academic calendars can help to maximize the amount of time available for student learning.
The key to increasing student learning is to maximize the amount of academic learning time; that is, to utilize education time in ways in which students are actively engaged in learning at appropriate levels of difficulty.
Standards-based education increases the need to give students more academic learning time.
Teachers also need more time, especially for professional development.
Time outside of school can be used to enhance student learning.

The questions I wanted to ask earlier would be:

Is our state of education a case where time is already well utilized, such that there is a high proportion of engaged and academic learning time?
If time was well-utilized, did DepEd provide more time to our teachers for professional development?
Were our teachers taught well about better time management?

Above questions if addressed before, could be the solution in improving the student performance, IMO.

MatudNilaBaby

December 31st, 2011, 09:06 PM

I would be very much obliged if people really want to know. But take note that my point in these arguments is that on the need to focus on the "quality of education" and not extending the number of school years after kindergarten! If I may post again the research findings I've posted earlier:
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The questions I wanted to ask earlier would be:

Is our state of education a case where time is already well utilized, such that there is a high proportion of engaged and academic learning time?
If time was well-utilized, did DepEd provide more time to our teachers for professional development?
Were our teachers taught well about better time management?

Above questions if addressed before, could be the solution in improving the student performance, IMO.

studies studies studies and more studies lol.
lookin at item 1: usually regular class period here (usa) is less than 1 hour about 50minutes but some proponents want to increase learning and teaching time to 1hr. regarding the year, they wanted to add more school days to a year. case 1 has nothing to do with the additional 2 years of school that we already lag behind. this study doesnt really apply to our state of education since we dont have the k-12 curriculum yet.

skyion

January 1st, 2012, 04:18 AM

The academe shuld have been doing its responsibilty by now in addressing the major problem that occurred recently that victimized thousands of lives in the recent Sendong calamity. It should have been addressed scientifically where the academe's role is supposed to have the part rather than this mediocritized society relying on stupid, selfish politicans they elected.

it was U.P. that did research on the effects on Sea Surface Temperature from Coal plants. it should have researched further that SST now has very crucial role in Global Warming and even directional change of its track and intensity of tropical storms and such should be heeded that could make a difference in national decision makings that could even spell lives saved, but it's not doing enough :ohno:

It was reported that the local academic research institutions in CDO had already warned the LGU there of impending dangers of putting up settlements on certain riverside areas but they were ignored by the LGU there, and neither does coporate media give importance to such as it's more interested in focusing on mediocre telenovelas and slapstick shows to keep ratings up, as mainstream society is neither interested with those anyway.

tragedies such as these only revealed the inefficiency of the country's academic institutions, corporate media, mainstream society, and of course the ineffective politicans elected which, manifested the mediocrity, corruption, warped paradigms infecting the mainstream national mentality and as consequences to such folly it always end up being caught empty handed at the cost of widespread destruction and even lives.

Even the thread here should have been addressing the recent tragedy in seeking solutions as taught by their supposedly "premier" institutions, but Nah :nuts: :ohno: the academic institutions and system in this country is not doing enough of its expected responsibility, it should stop illussioning at conveniently sitting on its laurels for it doesn't have it yet :bash:

todjikid

January 1st, 2012, 05:22 AM

UP through National Institute of Geological Studies made recommendations to the national government and LGUs regarding our geo-hazard terrain a few years back but no one really listened. Recently UP sent its own team of experts to Iligan to do relief operations and more importantly conduct research work on the area specifically on root-cause and relocation/resettlement.

UP was also heavily engaged in gas leak clean up in Makati to the point that the the decision of the supreme court us "subject" to UP's independent finding.

What's sad about it is that the government thinks that UP will run on a budget that's just enough to feed the teachers and some maintenance fund...zero on R and D.

Recent news

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/243128/news/nation/geologist-warns-other-cities-can-suffer-the-same-fate-as-iligan-cagayan-de-oro

Geologist warns other cities can suffer the same fate as Iligan, Cagayan de Oro.

A geologist on Friday warned that other Philippine cities can suffer the same fate as devastated Iligan and Cagayan de Oro because of similarities in their topography.

These include Vigan, Laoag, Alaminos (Pangasinan) and General Santos, which may be vulnerable to disastrous floods similar to those brought by Tropical Storms Sendong and Ondoy, according to the University of the Philippines’ National Institute of Geological Sciences (UP-NIGS).

These cities sit on river deltas that flow out to sea. The web site Nababaha.com, maintained by UP-NIGS, contains flood hazard maps for these coastal zones that have rivers flowing right through them and are down slope from mountains and hills.

Nabartek

January 1st, 2012, 05:44 AM

Parchie

January 1st, 2012, 08:45 AM

^^

What use will be the studies if the government does not do any precautionary measures during heavy rains/typhoons? Remember that before CDO, there was Ormoc, what has the government from then on? Nothing. Wait until heavy casualties!

Heavy rains are definitely NOT uncommon in the Philippines, so there is no excuse for the government not have to do anything!
I agree with you here. Studies were perhaps done and recommendations given. It's just that our government leaders don't act on recommendations! What needs to be done? Do we have leaders who care for the good of their bosses - the people?

mikael21

January 6th, 2012, 03:06 AM

More budget for public high schools offering SPED

By Nikka Garriga

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PASIG CITY, METRO MANILA - The Department of Education (DepEd) has released additional funds for secondary schools that offer special education (SPED) programs.

About153 specialized public high schools implementing SPED will be provided subsidy for the coming school year to further boost the effectivity of the program’s delivery to pupils with “exceptionalities”.
Exceptionalities are defined under DepEd Order 98 as students who have difficulty learning because either they are visually or hearing- impaired, have autism or Down Syndrome or other learning disabilities and therefore need special educational attention.

Schools that specialize on one exceptionality will receive P50, 000; two for P100, 000; three for P150, 000; four for P200, 000; and five or more exceptionalities for P250, 000.

Read more here... (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/more-budget-public-high-schools-offering-sped-025809840.html;_ylt=AkP7zxVcCNAPmEDOyX4L___mV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTNkcW9vN2lkBG1pdAMEcGtnA2Q4NjcyZDc5LWFkMmMtM2U2My05NGUyLTEwYzkwMDNlYTUxZQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDbG5fbG9RYWxfZ2FsBHZlcgMxOWFmZDZjMC0zNzQ5LTExZTEtODdkNy05OTU1ODYxZTZkODQ-;_ylv=3)

ralfy

January 9th, 2012, 01:16 PM

See, you did know that it is really not a matter of extending the number of school years! look closely:
You are saying that our existing system lacks quality due to teachers' qualifications/ capacity to teach! How about commenting on this portion of a previous post of mine?:

More years have to be added because what we have is a twelve-year program crammed into 10. We also have to do everything else that we set aside the past eight decades.

Ultimately, it will not matter what excuses we come up with, as the APEC regime requires a 12-year program for students and graduates who want to work in member countries. The same may apply to the Bologna and Washington accords.

It gets worse when member nations assume that if PH cannot follow something as basic as a 12-year pre-tertiary requirement, then very likely it will not be able to follow various international standards.

Parchie

January 10th, 2012, 08:29 AM

More years have to be added because what we have is a twelve-year program crammed into 10. We also have to do everything else that we set aside the past eight decades.

Ultimately, it will not matter what excuses we come up with, as the APEC regime requires a 12-year program for students and graduates who want to work in member countries. The same may apply to the Bologna and Washington accords.

It gets worse when member nations assume that if PH cannot follow something as basic as a 12-year pre-tertiary requirement, then very likely it will not be able to follow various international standards.
Yeah. We're always like that. We were educated to conform to every buzz or fad ever since. When other countries wore wide bottomed pants, we copied. When they were sporting uncombed long hair, we did too. When other countries revolted and made their countries communistic, some of us bought the idea, luckily most kept their minds clear and saw better, etc. etc.

We still have to know what makes us good at things and what we really wanted to be. I guess the APEC leader countries want us to follow their system so that they can catch up with our fast way of learning. It's like we heard our wheels squeak and we knew it just needs aligning and lube; but we choose to take another car! Egads! When do we learn to make things saner!

ralfy

January 10th, 2012, 09:25 AM

Yeah. We're always like that. We were educated to conform to every buzz or fad ever since. When other countries wore wide bottomed pants, we copied. When they were sporting uncombed long hair, we did too. When other countries revolted and made their countries communistic, some of us bought the idea, luckily most kept their minds clear and saw better, etc. etc.

We still have to know what makes us good at things and what we really wanted to be. I guess the APEC leader countries want us to follow their system so that they can catch up with our fast way of learning. It's like we heard our wheels squeak and we knew it just needs aligning and lube; but we choose to take another car! Egads! When do we learn to make things saner!

No, this is not the same as fashion trends, let alone following "countries communistic" (?) but agreeing to international standards.

Now, if most citizens believe that there's no need to do so, then we shouldn't.

By the way, it's not "APEC leader countries" but APEC members.

Finally, even if citizens are deluded (e.g., thinking that they can still study in another country or apply for work in countries that follow such standards) at least the result will be the same. That is, if there is any reason why it will be useless to follow international standards, it's because the global economy on which those standards are based won't last.

In which case, citizens are probably better off doing what they're doing right now: localization, fending for themselves with little support from government or big business, and learning basic skills like planting their own food, localized health care, etc.

Parchie

January 11th, 2012, 05:30 AM

No, this is not the same as fashion trends, let alone following "countries communistic" (?) but agreeing to international standards.

Now, if most citizens believe that there's no need to do so, then we shouldn't.

By the way, it's not "APEC leader countries" but APEC members.

Finally, even if citizens are deluded (e.g., thinking that they can still study in another country or apply for work in countries that follow such standards) at least the result will be the same. That is, if there is any reason why it will be useless to follow international standards, it's because the global economy on which those standards are based won't last.

In which case, citizens are probably better off doing what they're doing right now: localization, fending for themselves with little support from government or big business, and learning basic skills like planting their own food, localized health care, etc.

Precisely my point there! We are raised to be "conformists". You are not allowed to do something because it is not the way it is done; it is not the standard way of doing things, etc. etc. You are assuming that all people are made from the same mold and that a certain procedure or task should be followed - standards my axx!

There is no "one system fits all" in learning. Each country will have to design its own system and consider all the learning factors typical of the country, so forget about that standards of yours. You only standardize if you are assured that certain procedures or measures exhibit better results than the other options studied (for the same homogeneous lot/run, if not, it's crazy standardizing when each item is different).

By trying to follow how others do things, we get less students. We loose out to the other countries because by being told to conform and extend school years, we loose some number of the students who might be tempted to quit school as parents cannot finance longer school years. Please see what percentage of dropout rate (http://www.nscb.gov.ph/stats/statdev/2006/education/Chapter_Education.asp), it's not getting lower - it's increasing with this system. One of the reasons are financial in nature.

Then comes this CCT, but it seems the DSWD is clueless!

This is not some product where repeatability is the prime goal. This is about reaping the best out of the various students' minds! The system has been there, a lot of fine-tuning are very much needed and the solution chosen was to do as APEC said! I couldn't get any logic from that, IMHO.

ralfy

January 11th, 2012, 02:37 PM

Precisely my point there! We are raised to be "conformists". You are not allowed to do something because it is not the way it is done; it is not the standard way of doing things, etc. etc. You are assuming that all people are made from the same mold and that a certain procedure or task should be followed - standards my axx!

Actually, PH has been non-conformist for 80 years. The result is, at least for TIMSS, it is ranked near the bottom worldwide in math and science, and last place in Asia.

Thus, what you want to see has been in place for decades. Our "standards" is a class size of 60, a ten-year educational system, a book-to-student ratio of 1:3, etc.

There is no "one system fits all" in learning. Each country will have to design its own system and consider all the learning factors typical of the country, so forget about that standards of yours. You only standardize if you are assured that certain procedures or measures exhibit better results than the other options studied (for the same homogeneous lot/run, if not, it's crazy standardizing when each item is different).

Those are not "my" standards but those which are followed by almost all countries. And the standards include not just twelve years of education but also a certain class size, etc. Countries have different standards but when it comes to pre-tertiary education, almost all have twelve or thirteen years of pre-tertiary education, and for many that includes a year of technical and vocational training.

What takes place in PH is that students take ten or eleven years of education with no technical or vocational training, then are asked to take such training or to even go to college for many jobs that don't require a college degree.

By trying to follow how others do things, we get less students. We loose out to the other countries because by being told to conform and extend school years, we loose some number of the students who might be tempted to quit school as parents cannot finance longer school years. Please see what percentage of dropout rate (http://www.nscb.gov.ph/stats/statdev/2006/education/Chapter_Education.asp), it's not getting lower - it's increasing with this system. One of the reasons are financial in nature.

Actually, 50 pct of PH students already drop out with the current ten-year program. The implication is that PH loses (not "looses") students because of factors other than the number of years of schooling. If the problem continues, it will be because these other problems, including the lack of books, etc., have not been solved.

The irony is that for eighty years PH has been using one problem as an excuse not to solve another (e.g., decrease class size first before adding more years). Now, the same excuses are being used.

Unfortunately, the country has been heavily dependent on exports and overseas work, and countries that are importing and that are hiring are now agreeing on standards.

In which case, it really doesn't matter what you think of these standards. What matters is whether or not you are willing to accept the consequences of not following them. That's all.

Then comes this CCT, but it seems the DSWD is clueless!

That's a different topic. And if you were to ask me about it, I'd say that that's a good example of not conforming.

This is not some product where repeatability is the prime goal. This is about reaping the best out of the various students' minds! The system has been there, a lot of fine-tuning are very much needed and the solution chosen was to do as APEC said! I couldn't get any logic from that, IMHO.

Actually, adding two years of schooling, together with other solutions, is what allows PH to reap "the best out of various students' minds." Cramming doesn't work.

Fine-tuning is an understatement. In terms of years of schooling, we're cramming what is essentially a twelve-year curriculum into ten, so there's no other way to solve that except to add more years.

epik ll ian

January 11th, 2012, 05:12 PM

As easy as it may seem to say that you can't implement a "one size fits all" learning standard, the reality of it is is that we go to school in hopes of getting a good job and becoming prosperous. There is a learning standard required to be competitive in the workforce, likewise, there is a standard required for the Philippines to become a competitive country. You can't expect the Philippines to become competitive when it's education program is cut short 2 years of the rest of the ENTIRE world. This whole excuse of not being like other countries and needing to implement a "unique program without adding the two years" will keep the Philippines far behind other countries. Time is quite necessary. Those two years add a lot of maturity to a person, and there is so much curriculum you can fit in two years. No matter what the counter argument is, the students will at least be doing SOME kind of learning within those 2 years. Sure it might not be the best program when it's first implemented, but it will be improved upon. We just need to get that first stepping stone out there, and to me - spending those two years at least doing SOMETHING is a lot better than doing nothing at all. 16 years old is way to early of an age to be putting people out into the workforce or in college. 18? MAYBE. But 16 is out of the question.

Parchie

January 11th, 2012, 06:43 PM

So let's dissect each item you just posted then!
Actually, PH has been non-conformist for 80 years. The result is, at least for TIMSS, it is ranked near the bottom worldwide in math and science, and last place in Asia.
IDK where you got your data but I cannot be sure if 80 years is true and whether 80 years is the correct number of years that Philippine education is non-conforming. If you start with the "education system of the Philippines" which was initiated by the US's 45 years of reign of our country (ending in 1946), 80 years is too long and your claim is untrue. When the US was supervising the system of education when it reigned over our country, our system “conformed” to the US system of education. Only after the country gained independence (1946) from the US did our educational system strayed away from the US system (read as “non-conforming). To quote from the encyclopedia:During the period of governance by the United States, Education in the Philippines changed radically, modeled on the system of Education in the United States of the time. After gaining independence in 1946, changes in the US system were no longer automatically reflected in the Philippines, which has since moved in various directions of its own.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Education_in_the_Philippines
But that was 66 years before, not 80. Even if you base your counting from the late Spanish colonial rule, Filipinos started to be accepted to tertiary education only in 1863 (Educational Decree 1863). And that also was 149 years ago, not 80.
On the TIMSS issue, it is very clear that Philippines won’t have a good rating since we don’t have year 9! Does it prove that Filipino students are bad because the TIMSS results tell us were rock bottom? Or do we need to follow K+12 to get a good rating from TIMSS?
Thus, what you want to see has been in place for decades. Our "standards" is a class size of 60, a ten-year educational system, a book-to-student ratio of 1:3, etc.
I am sorry but the DepEd says it did try to reduce the pupil to room ratio. It’s not a 60 pupil to room standard. It is a fact brought about by lack of funds on the department side and corruption in the construction of school rooms and the lack of teachers.The department said the classroom to student ratio in the public elementary level stood at 1:39, while the figure for the secondary level is at 1:53, though in the Kindergarten level, the figure is at a staggering one classroom per 63 students.
The teacher-student ratio stood at 1:36 in the elementary level and 1:38 in high school, though it was an astounding 1:65 in the kindergarten level.
Those are not "my" standards but those which are followed by almost all countries. And the standards include not just twelve years of education but also a certain class size, etc. Countries have different standards but when it comes to pre-tertiary education, almost all have twelve or thirteen years of pre-tertiary education, and for many that includes a year of technical and vocational training.
Let me help you with solid data from the various countries in the world re education profiles. It seems you are at a loss on this:

1 Germany: primary = 4 yrs; secondary = 9 yrs; total yrs = 13; compulsory age = 13 yrs Age before college = 26
2 Belgium primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total years = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 13; Age before college = 25 yrs
3 Netherlands 6yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 13 yrs; Age before college = 25
4 Dominican primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 12yrs; compulsory age = 13 yrs; Age before college = 25 yrs
5 Saint Kitts and Nevis primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 13 yrs 25 yrs
18 Australia primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total yrs = 13 yrs; compulsory age = 11 yrs 24 yrs
26 Israel primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 11yrs; Age before college = 23 yrs
41Kazakhstan primary = 4 yrs; secondary = 7 yrs; total yrs = 11 yrs; compulsory age = 11 yrs 22 yrs
72 Russia primary = 4 yrs; secondary = 7 yrs; total yrs = 11yrs; compulsory age = 10 yrs 21 yrs
116 Malaysia primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 11yrs; compulsory age = 9 yrs; Age before college = 20 yrs
126 Solomon Islands primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 7 yrs; total yrs = 13yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 20 yrs
141 Zambia primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 19 yrs
154 Venezuela primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 11 yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 18 yrs
169 Philippines primary = 6 yrs; secondary =4 yrs; total yrs = 10 yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 17 yrs

Q: Why do you think those at the top are not the ones topping the economic ratings? (if we correlate education systems with progress).
What takes place in PH is that students take ten or eleven years of education with no technical or vocational training, then are asked to take such training or to even go to college for many jobs that don't require a college degree.
(See above for the correct data.)
Actually, 50 pct of PH students already drop out with the current ten-year program. The implication is that PH loses (not "looses") students because of factors other than the number of years of schooling. If the problem continues, it will be because these other problems, including the lack of books, etc., have not been solved.
I don’t think lack of books is a factor for students to drop-out of school. Just please disprove my claim that extending the years in school is financially hard to the parents supporting their kids.
The irony is that for eighty years PH has been using one problem as an excuse not to solve another (e.g., decrease class size first before adding more years). Now, the same excuses are being used.
Again, where did you get “80 years”? We know the problems. Some of those problems you yourself admitted. Classrooms, teachers, etc . Add to that real -time review of schools’ progress, teacher to student fit, curriculum changes, engagement to proper learning, utilization of school time, etc.
Unfortunately, the country has been heavily dependent on exports and overseas work, and countries that are importing and that are hiring are now agreeing on standards.
Standards again! It doesn’t matter if you have a very large cache of diplomas because if you can’t do what the hiring officer asks you to do, you won’t get the job. A high school grad got hired not because he finished 15 years of formal education; he was hired because he can deliver, period. He was a skillful wood worker.
In which case, it really doesn't matter what you think of these standards. What matters is whether or not you are willing to accept the consequences of not following them. That's all. Again, let’s talk about standards. What do you understand about it? A standard is defined as a reference, with some amount of tolerance plus or minus that one uses as guide to achieve his goal with lesser losses, a layman’s way of clarifying it here. Are you saying there is only one standard in the whole world? Nuts!
That's a different topic. And if you were to ask me about it, I'd say that that's a good example of not conforming. It is relevant because it uses as a pre-condition for families to be considered as beneficiary to the program that the children should go to school. If I may be allowed to say, it can’t be “non-conforming” because the program was just let loose.
Actually, adding two years of schooling, together with other solutions, is what allows PH to reap "the best out of various students' minds." Cramming doesn't work.Say again” “cramming”? How can you prove that the time management in our schools properly utilizes daily subject study/lecture times? Haven’t you read the news of teachers doing personal business while on duty? Haven’t you seen kids allowed to weed the school gardens all day long because the teacher/s had better personal business done? Or did you try to look at the teachers if they have done their lesson plans for the day? Still, did you scan the subjects for each grade and see a common trend of lesser intelligent studies and more on cleaning the rooms, etc.?
Fine-tuning is an understatement. In terms of years of schooling, we're cramming what is essentially a twelve-year curriculum into ten, so there's no other way to solve that except to add more years.It might be an understatement but since the needs exist, notwithstanding the gravity of any of those means it is imperative to solve each one and not run away from it. Could be the problem-solving team failing to ask the right question resulting into the problem not being solved.

MatudNilaBaby

January 12th, 2012, 12:38 AM

Actually, PH has been non-conformist for 80 years. The result is, at least for TIMSS, it is ranked near the bottom worldwide in math and science, and last place in Asia.

Thus, what you want to see has been in place for decades. Our "standards" is a class size of 60, a ten-year educational system, a book-to-student ratio of 1:3, etc.

Those are not "my" standards but those which are followed by almost all countries. And the standards include not just twelve years of education but also a certain class size, etc. Countries have different standards but when it comes to pre-tertiary education, almost all have twelve or thirteen years of pre-tertiary education, and for many that includes a year of technical and vocational training.

What takes place in PH is that students take ten or eleven years of education with no technical or vocational training, then are asked to take such training or to even go to college for many jobs that don't require a college degree.

Actually, 50 pct of PH students already drop out with the current ten-year program. The implication is that PH loses (not "looses") students because of factors other than the number of years of schooling. If the problem continues, it will be because these other problems, including the lack of books, etc., have not been solved.

The irony is that for eighty years PH has been using one problem as an excuse not to solve another (e.g., decrease class size first before adding more years). Now, the same excuses are being used.

Unfortunately, the country has been heavily dependent on exports and overseas work, and countries that are importing and that are hiring are now agreeing on standards.

In which case, it really doesn't matter what you think of these standards. What matters is whether or not you are willing to accept the consequences of not following them. That's all.

That's a different topic. And if you were to ask me about it, I'd say that that's a good example of not conforming.

Actually, adding two years of schooling, together with other solutions, is what allows PH to reap "the best out of various students' minds." Cramming doesn't work.

Fine-tuning is an understatement. In terms of years of schooling, we're cramming what is essentially a twelve-year curriculum into ten, so there's no other way to solve that except to add more years.

try to explain what timss stands for so others who are non educators can understand what to acronym means.

Parchie

January 12th, 2012, 12:45 AM

try to explain what timss stands for so others who are non educators can understand what to acronym means.
Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trends_in_International_Mathematics_and_Science_Study)

ralfy

January 12th, 2012, 02:13 PM

So let's dissect each item you just posted then!

IDK where you got your data but I cannot be sure if 80 years is true and whether 80 years is the correct number of years that Philippine education is non-conforming. If you start with the "education system of the Philippines" which was initiated by the US's 45 years of reign of our country (ending in 1946), 80 years is too long and your claim is untrue. When the US was supervising the system of education when it reigned over our country, our system “conformed” to the US system of education. Only after the country gained independence (1946) from the US did our educational system strayed away from the US system (read as “non-conforming). To quote from the encyclopedia:During the period of governance by the United States, Education in the Philippines changed radically, modeled on the system of Education in the United States of the time. After gaining independence in 1946, changes in the US system were no longer automatically reflected in the Philippines, which has since moved in various directions of its own.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Education_in_the_Philippines
But that was 66 years before, not 80. Even if you base your counting from the late Spanish colonial rule, Filipinos started to be accepted to tertiary education only in 1863 (Educational Decree 1863). And that also was 149 years ago, not 80.

I read in one newspaper article that a 12-year program was first proposed in 1931, but I can't remember the details.

On the TIMSS issue, it is very clear that Philippines won’t have a good rating since we don’t have year 9! Does it prove that Filipino students are bad because the TIMSS results tell us were rock bottom? Or do we need to follow K+12 to get a good rating from TIMSS?

Yes, and yes. And the first word for the last question should be "and," not "or." Finally, we need to do many other things together with adding two years.

I am sorry but the DepEd says it did try to reduce the pupil to room ratio. It’s not a 60 pupil to room standard. It is a fact brought about by lack of funds on the department side and corruption in the construction of school rooms and the lack of teachers.The department said the classroom to student ratio in the public elementary level stood at 1:39, while the figure for the secondary level is at 1:53, though in the Kindergarten level, the figure is at a staggering one classroom per 63 students.
The teacher-student ratio stood at 1:36 in the elementary level and 1:38 in high school, though it was an astounding 1:65 in the kindergarten level.

The government reports 35 to 50 while another source argues that it's 60 to 110. I think it's between these two estimates, so I use 60.

Let me help you with solid data from the various countries in the world re education profiles. It seems you are at a loss on this:

1 Germany: primary = 4 yrs; secondary = 9 yrs; total yrs = 13; compulsory age = 13 yrs Age before college = 26
2 Belgium primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total years = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 13; Age before college = 25 yrs
3 Netherlands 6yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 13 yrs; Age before college = 25
4 Dominican primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 12yrs; compulsory age = 13 yrs; Age before college = 25 yrs
5 Saint Kitts and Nevis primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 13 yrs 25 yrs
18 Australia primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total yrs = 13 yrs; compulsory age = 11 yrs 24 yrs
26 Israel primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 6 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 11yrs; Age before college = 23 yrs
41Kazakhstan primary = 4 yrs; secondary = 7 yrs; total yrs = 11 yrs; compulsory age = 11 yrs 22 yrs
72 Russia primary = 4 yrs; secondary = 7 yrs; total yrs = 11yrs; compulsory age = 10 yrs 21 yrs
116 Malaysia primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 11yrs; compulsory age = 9 yrs; Age before college = 20 yrs
126 Solomon Islands primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 7 yrs; total yrs = 13yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 20 yrs
141 Zambia primary = 7 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 12 yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 19 yrs
154 Venezuela primary = 6 yrs; secondary = 5 yrs; total yrs = 11 yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 18 yrs
169 Philippines primary = 6 yrs; secondary =4 yrs; total yrs = 10 yrs; compulsory age = 7 yrs; Age before college = 17 yrs

Q: Why do you think those at the top are not the ones topping the economic ratings? (if we correlate education systems with progress).

Actually, I was arguing the opposite.

(See above for the correct data.)

Your data has no connection to what I wrote.

I don’t think lack of books is a factor for students to drop-out of school. Just please disprove my claim that extending the years in school is financially hard to the parents supporting their kids.

It's not, but it's one of many problems that affect quality of education.

I did not argue that adding more years is not "financially hard to the parents supporting their kids." But that's another problem that we have to deal with together with the lack of years of schooling.

The irony is that we are using that problem as an excuse for not solving other problems, based on the assumption that adding more books, classrooms, teachers, and years of schooling will require more taxes, and thus add to parents' financial burden.

The "solution" is to let parents do the work themselves, which is what we're seeing. Around 50 pct of schools in the country are operated by the private sector. Parents who can afford to avoid public schools as much as they can, and several even pay a premium to send children to schools where standards are higher.

Among other things, several private schools already require 11 years, with international schools requiring 12.

Again, where did you get “80 years”? We know the problems. Some of those problems you yourself admitted. Classrooms, teachers, etc . Add to that real -time review of schools’ progress, teacher to student fit, curriculum changes, engagement to proper learning, utilization of school time, etc.

See my comment above. For the rest of your paragraph, that is why fine-tuning won't work, or even absurd arguments such as not having to follow standards.

Standards again! It doesn’t matter if you have a very large cache of diplomas because if you can’t do what the hiring officer asks you to do, you won’t get the job. A high school grad got hired not because he finished 15 years of formal education; he was hired because he can deliver, period. He was a skillful wood worker.

Exactly! What the hiring officer requires are the standards. In this case, the "hiring officer" is APEC member nations, and the APEC registry requires 16 years of education for college graduates:

http://criticplaywright.blogspot.com/2009/04/education-reform-in-philippines.html

I think the same goes for the Washington accord, although the Bologna accord requires 15 years.

The logical thing to do is not to add two years of post-secondary but to add two years of secondary schooling.

Again, let’s talk about standards. What do you understand about it? A standard is defined as a reference, with some amount of tolerance plus or minus that one uses as guide to achieve his goal with lesser losses, a layman’s way of clarifying it here. Are you saying there is only one standard in the whole world? Nuts!

Actually, there are around three standards, although two (Washington and APEC) are the same. The Bologna accord has one year less.

Yes, I know it's "nuts," but that's what happens in a global capitalist economy where even industries follow standards.

It is relevant because it uses as a pre-condition for families to be considered as beneficiary to the program that the children should go to school. If I may be allowed to say, it can’t be “non-conforming” because the program was just let loose.

I think families should be made aware of the APEC registry requirement and various standards imposed by other countries. From there, they can decide whether or not more years should be added.

Say again” “cramming”? How can you prove that the time management in our schools properly utilizes daily subject study/lecture times? Haven’t you read the news of teachers doing personal business while on duty? Haven’t you seen kids allowed to weed the school gardens all day long because the teacher/s had better personal business done? Or did you try to look at the teachers if they have done their lesson plans for the day? Still, did you scan the subjects for each grade and see a common trend of lesser intelligent studies and more on cleaning the rooms, etc.?

Time management is a separate issue from teaching a twelve-year program in ten years.

It might be an understatement but since the needs exist, notwithstanding the gravity of any of those means it is imperative to solve each one and not run away from it. Could be the problem-solving team failing to ask the right question resulting into the problem not being solved.

Which is what we've been trying to do for several decades. If only other Asian countries had not met and decided to come up with shared standards:

http://www.changinghighereducation.com/2008/12/an-asian-bologna-process-moves-forward.html

if only they did not meet with European counterparts and do the same:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=578792&publicationSubCategoryId=442

if only Filipinos did not feel the need to see accreditation as important:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=574687

and if only there was actually no connection at all between the length of time for schooling and quality:

http://mlephil.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/pros-cons-of-the-k12-debate/

then there'd probably be no need to rush.

Of course, if what I've said about the global economic crisis, peak oil, and the long-term effects of climate change are true, then following international standards will be the least of our concerns.

So, you see, I agree with you about not pushing through with K+12, but I have different reasons.

Parchie

January 13th, 2012, 07:33 AM

Thanks a lot for bearing with me. I seldom see posters who respond like you sans sarcasm! Here:

I did not argue that adding more years is not "financially hard to the parents supporting their kids." But that's another problem that we have to deal with together with the lack of years of schooling. There you go. It gets harder to argue with anybody if at one aspect one agrees but then the ramifications of things proposed are just going to be ignored. Don't you think that the solution to the problem is part and parcel to the problem itself? The problem and the solutions should go hand in hand, does it? We can't go on playing semantics here, you know?
The irony is that we are using that problem as an excuse for not solving other problems, based on the assumption that adding more books, classrooms, teachers, and years of schooling will require more taxes, and thus add to parents' financial burden. Hold your horses there. I was of the impression that we are talking about pre-tertiary education. That said, it is a government promise (perhaps a self-assumed responsibility) to be able to provide for the things collateral to, and incidental with the governments' promise of a free elementary and secondary education for all. I thought the parents are there to provide basic support as before – notebooks, paper, pens and ballpens! Besides those, books, classrooms, teachers, and facilities, etc., problems are there for the government to solve not to be used as excuses.
The "solution" is to let parents do the work themselves, which is what we're seeing. Around 50 pct of schools in the country are operated by the private sector. Parents who can afford to avoid public schools as much as they can, and several even pay a premium to send children to schools where standards are higher.
See my comment above. For the rest of your paragraph, that is why fine-tuning won't work, or even absurd arguments such as not having to follow standards. On this, I don't see government ever taking much, working for solutions. It is compounding the problems. The existing problems were:
1. lack of classrooms,
2. lack of teachers,
3. re-defining the curricula,
4. close monitoring of education districts,
5. development programs to increase enrollment figures and
6. some textbook issues.
Now, with this "new" order will have to deal with:
1. greater lack of classrooms (due to more levels being required),
2. more lack of teachers, (additional levels require additional teachers)
3. curricula adjustment, (additional levels require tweaking of subjects for each level)
4. greater job of monitoring educations districts,
5. more programs to increase enrollees,
6. more textbook issues, plus
7. the problem of increased dropouts
Exactly! What the hiring officer requires are the standards. In this case, the "hiring officer" is APEC member nations, and the APEC registry requires 16 years of education for college graduates:http://criticplaywright.blogspot.com/2009/04/education-reform-in-philippines.html “Country education standards” aim to exact from our students the common core of knowledge they ought to possess and be useful citizens to help our country. This you called APEC standards, what is it for? It is but proper for people to question the value of this standard in relation to the betterment of our economy? Does this standard aim to produce workers who will be service exports? Are we to produce workers to serve the economic endeavors of other nations? Too bad, if that’s the case!
The logical thing to do is not to add two years of post-secondary but to add two years of secondary schooling.
Actually, there are around three standards, although two (Washington and APEC) are the same. The Bologna accord has one year less.
Yes, I know it's "nuts," but that's what happens in a global capitalist economy where even industries follow standards. “Standards-based education” is applicable if we only have a single sector/industry as a target industry. We’ve seen a myriad of industries than we intend to have our kids to go for. It seems our planners forgot we are a diverse group of people, islands with different possibilities with respect to the industries than can be supported by each island, etc. What we need is a “place-based education system” geared at choosing which educational learning supports what business/industries each locale is very strong with. This standard-based system is the cause of worker migrations; to urban places or foreign places at most. Why can’t we find a system of education that molds our kids and connect with what industries we have in our different localities and let them live a productive and useful life helping our economy? This is the reason why there is a very wide disconnect of what the academe is teaching/training as compared to the many requirements of the different industries we have in our 1000+ islands! Global competition is not won by playing their game. The competition is best addressed by strengthening our capabilities, not destroying it. We make sure our kids get the correct, updated core competencies by analyzing our strengths versus our weaknesses, our threats versus the opportunities presented to us. I don’t need to get pedagogical here.
I think families should be made aware of the APEC registry requirement and various standards imposed by other countries. From there, they can decide whether or not more years should be added. Yep, I guess they’ve been apprised about it a long time ago. That I think is the reason why you hear people against this move.
Time management is a separate issue from teaching a twelve-year program in ten years.
Which is what we've been trying to do for several decades. If only other Asian countries had not met and decided to come up with shared standards:
http://www.changinghighereducation.com/2008/12/an-asian-bologna-process-moves-forward.html
if only they did not meet with European counterparts and do the same:
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=578792&publicationSubCategoryId=442 Perhaps you missed to connect the two, or simply brush it aside! If the dedicated learning hours are “not well –utilized”, you need to know why it is so and make changes to make the most of the time allotted for teaching. That is “time management”, literally. You don’t need to add more years in school. Crystal!

If you have found out that the learning time is really not enough; owing to the great number of subjects that students ought to learn, or the available time in a year does not suffice, you have to add more days in school per year; or at worst, an additional level/year to spread-out the subjects. It is simple “time to learn” thing that doesn’t need rocket scientists!
if only Filipinos did not feel the need to see accreditation as important:
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=574687
and if only there was actually no connection at all between the length of time for schooling and quality:
http://mlephil.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/pros-cons-of-the-k12-debate/
then there'd probably be no need to rush. IDK anymore where these moves for accreditation to foreign standards is leading us. I even don’t know if this has something to do with this thread in anyway also. What I know is that people are happier if they can land a job very much near their homes. The number of broken families is increasing just because parents have to work away from home. Because their acquired skills while studying fit those jobs abroad, not here in our country.
Of course, if what I've said about the global economic crisis, peak oil, and the long-term effects of climate change are true, then following international standards will be the least of our concerns. You know what, I have spent long nights before when I was still studying, trying to picture out the “peak oil” and the like. Stephen P. Holland (2006) modeling of peak oil, Jonah J. Ralston (2008), M. King Hubbert who concluded that global “Peak Oil” would occur early in the 21st century and it’s not going to end just yet, etc..
International standards will change as the technologies evolve. It is a standard anyway – agreed upon by most and not written on rock.
So, you see, I agree with you about not pushing through with K+12, but I have different reasons. Whatever suits you. I am just saying what I thought about this issue/s too, hoping to find the truth in all these from those who respond.

ralfy

January 13th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Thanks a lot for bearing with me. I seldom see posters who respond like you sans sarcasm! Here:
There you go. It gets harder to argue with anybody if at one aspect one agrees but then the ramifications of things proposed are just going to be ignored. Don't you think that the solution to the problem is part and parcel to the problem itself? The problem and the solutions should go hand in hand, does it? We can't go on playing semantics here, you know?

Failure to meet standards given in the APEC Registry will have a significant effect on overseas employment and studies.

The irony is that parents who complain that adding two years will add to their financial burden will end up paying for those two years themselves as their children will be asked to fulfill various requirements by foreign employers. This is, in fact, the status quo.

The difference is that with the APEC registry, big business which likely takes up the bulk of tax revenues, will be paying for the cost of public education.

Finally, likely APEC members prefer to have standards in place for the whole country than on a school-to-school basis, which is the case for PH.

Hold your horses there. I was of the impression that we are talking about pre-tertiary education. That said, it is a government promise (perhaps a self-assumed responsibility) to be able to provide for the things collateral to, and incidental with the governments' promise of a free elementary and secondary education for all. I thought the parents are there to provide basic support as before – notebooks, paper, pens and ballpens! Besides those, books, classrooms, teachers, and facilities, etc., problems are there for the government to solve not to be used as excuses.

Actually, the government has to pay for everything, including basic support. It's not a "promise" but actually a duty as pre-tertiary education is mandatory.

What has been happening is that the government makes families pay not only for basic support but even more. Thus, it provides only ten years of education. If overseas employment requires more, then families have to pay for additional years.

From there, it claims that it does not have enough funds to add more years, provide basic support, etc., which is why it has to do things slowly. And "slowly" is an understatement, as the proposal to add years of schooling was made in the Monroe Survey in 1925 (sorry, not 1931), or more than 80 years ago.

Now, we face an APEC requirement to graduate students with twelve years of pre-tertiary education by 2020. The implications are given at the start of my post.

Given that, I think it is up to parents to decide what to do: should the government continue to procrastinate and let parents pay for additional resources themselves (which APEC members will probably no longer accept) or should they force the government to solve these problems as soon as possible, preferably by 2020?

On this, I don't see government ever taking much, working for solutions. It is compounding the problems. The existing problems were:
1. lack of classrooms,
2. lack of teachers,
3. re-defining the curricula,
4. close monitoring of education districts,
5. development programs to increase enrollment figures and
6. some textbook issues.
Now, with this "new" order will have to deal with:
1. greater lack of classrooms (due to more levels being required),
2. more lack of teachers, (additional levels require additional teachers)
3. curricula adjustment, (additional levels require tweaking of subjects for each level)
4. greater job of monitoring educations districts,
5. more programs to increase enrollees,
6. more textbook issues, plus
7. the problem of increased dropouts
“Country education standards” aim to exact from our students the common core of knowledge they ought to possess and be useful citizens to help our country. This you called APEC standards, what is it for? It is but proper for people to question the value of this standard in relation to the betterment of our economy? Does this standard aim to produce workers who will be service exports? Are we to produce workers to serve the economic endeavors of other nations? Too bad, if that’s the case!

This is probably the best reason for not pushing through with K+12. Given that, parents will have to accept the status quo, in addition to implications for the APEC Registry as well as the Bologna and Washington accords.

Thus, what should not happen are parents accepting what is in place, then paying a premium to send their children to the best schools which include, ironically, additional years of schooling, and then to be told upon their kids' graduation that APEC countries are no longer hiring graduates from non-member nations, or that their degrees or credentials are not recognized elsewhere.

With that, what should change aren't educational standards but reasons for going to school. Given your reason, the country should no longer push for the best for its children, or at least push for the same but very, very slowly, perhaps for another 80 years.

“Standards-based education” is applicable if we only have a single sector/industry as a target industry. We’ve seen a myriad of industries than we intend to have our kids to go for. It seems our planners forgot we are a diverse group of people, islands with different possibilities with respect to the industries than can be supported by each island, etc. What we need is a “place-based education system” geared at choosing which educational learning supports what business/industries each locale is very strong with. This standard-based system is the cause of worker migrations; to urban places or foreign places at most. Why can’t we find a system of education that molds our kids and connect with what industries we have in our different localities and let them live a productive and useful life helping our economy? This is the reason why there is a very wide disconnect of what the academe is teaching/training as compared to the many requirements of the different industries we have in our 1000+ islands! Global competition is not won by playing their game. The competition is best addressed by strengthening our capabilities, not destroying it. We make sure our kids get the correct, updated core competencies by analyzing our strengths versus our weaknesses, our threats versus the opportunities presented to us. I don’t need to get pedagogical here.

Actually, that is what has been taking place. Improvements are made only for schools involved in target industries (like nursing), with foreign employers accepting applicants from schools accredited by the government. PH has been following a "puwede na 'yan" scheme, making adjustments in one or another training program to meet whatever is in demand abroad. On top of that, it's not the government but citizens who pay for additional resources required.

Now, with APEC and other agreements, there will no longer be such schemes. Foreign employers will now require assurance from the government that all schools are accredited, i.e., they follow standards imposed by member nations in which such employers are located.

Finally, if we were to follow your views, then citizens and even local industries will have to accept the fact that APEC and other trade regimes will likely not work with PH; instead, they will work with member nations who can follow standards, which will likely mean most countries in Asia.

Given peak oil, climate change, and the possibility of a global economic collapse, I agree with you. The focus should be localization, with small, community-based schools teaching the basics, including skills needed for sustainable living, from planting one's own food to basic health care. One should forget dreams of going to college or even a middle class lifestyle. If any model will have to be followed, it will be that of Cuba.

Yep, I guess they’ve been apprised about it a long time ago. That I think is the reason why you hear people against this move.
Perhaps you missed to connect the two, or simply brush it aside! If the dedicated learning hours are “not well –utilized”, you need to know why it is so and make changes to make the most of the time allotted for teaching. That is “time management”, literally. You don’t need to add more years in school. Crystal!

The two are not connected because you cannot cram a twelve-year program into ten years, especially given children who need time to learn. More reasons are given in this policy brief:

http://www.senate.gov.ph/publications/PB%202011-02%20-%20K%20to%2012%20The%20Key%20to%20Quality.pdf

But that doesn't mean you don't need time management, even with a twelve-year program.

If you have found out that the learning time is really not enough; owing to the great number of subjects that students ought to learn, or the available time in a year does not suffice, you have to add more days in school per year; or at worst, an additional level/year to spread-out the subjects. It is simple “time to learn” thing that doesn’t need rocket scientists!

Which is what we have.

IDK anymore where these moves for accreditation to foreign standards is leading us. I even don’t know if this has something to do with this thread in anyway also. What I know is that people are happier if they can land a job very much near their homes. The number of broken families is increasing just because parents have to work away from home. Because their acquired skills while studying fit those jobs abroad, not here in our country.

You can look at the current requirements given to PH for nursing, seamanship, various engineering jobs, and even vocational work. Organizations like TESDA take these requirements very seriously. Now, the APEC Registry and various agreements want these requirements part of the educational system of a member nation, not something that appears on a school-to-school basis.

By the way, the "acquired skills" which "fit those jobs abroad" are usually above the requirements "here in our country." If only we did not have to rely heavily on exports or overseas work, then we won't have to follow the 12-year requirement. In fact, the government can just do what it has been doing the past few decades, with parents paying for whatever is lacking (which is usually a lot) on a per-need basis.

You know what, I have spent long nights before when I was still studying, trying to picture out the “peak oil” and the like. Stephen P. Holland (2006) modeling of peak oil, Jonah J. Ralston (2008), M. King Hubbert who concluded that global “Peak Oil” would occur early in the 21st century and it’s not going to end just yet, etc..

Actually, the IEA just confirmed that peak oil took place in 2006. More organizations, such as the U.S. military (including the Pentagon), the German military, Lloyd's of London and Chatham House, various UK industrial groups, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, the governments of UK, AU, and NZ, Morgan Stanley, and more have done the same.

International standards will change as the technologies evolve. It is a standard anyway – agreed upon by most and not written on rock.
Whatever suits you. I am just saying what I thought about this issue/s too, hoping to find the truth in all these from those who respond.

Hence, the 12-year requirement. Before that, foreign employers and admission offiers would verify the schools and other credentials of PH applicants. Even before, citizens didn't even have to seek work abroad, or even schooling. Back in the early 1960s, UP-Diliman was considered a top school, with students from SE Asian countries and even South Korea applying.

Indeed, standards do change.

kiretoce

January 14th, 2012, 01:18 AM

:lock:

kiretoce

January 14th, 2012, 01:19 AM

Post away, folks! :colgate:

Link to Thread 3 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=143978&page=118) in the Archives. :okay:

InfinitiFX45

January 17th, 2012, 08:46 AM

Manila's forgers graduate with honors from 'Recto University' :bash: :bash: :bash:

by Peter Shadbolt | CNN | updated 1:44 AM EST | Tue | January 17, 2012

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Fake official documents can be bought off the street in Manila for as little as 500 pesos (US$11)

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Manila's fake degree mill does a thriving business on Claro M. Recto Avenue
Known jokingly as 'Recto University', forgers can mock up a degree in a matter of hours

Counterfeiters also fake all types of IDs including seamans' and pilots' licenses
Manila authorities have launched several crackdowns but the illegal trade still flourishes

(CNN) -- If you don't have the time, inclination and, more importantly, the money to go to university in Manila, you can still get a degree. It will cost you between $US10 and $US60, it will take about two hours to complete and it will be fake.

Welcome to "Recto University," the name Manila mockingly gives to the strip of document counterfeiters that openly ply their trade between Claro M. Recto and Rizal Avenues in the Philippines capital.

Located a stone's throw from Manila's university district and, somewhat ironically, Manila City Jail, the counterfeiters of Recto can run off a university testamur, any type of diploma, a job reference and, more worryingly, a pilot's license and a seaman's certificate in a matter of hours.

"Today business is not so good," says a hawker sitting beside a makeshift sign displaying fake diplomas, driver's licenses and job references that can be bought for as little as 500 pesos (US$11.50).

"If we do five documents a day, we're doing well," he says smiling broadly. "Sunday is our best day, because people start class or work the next day. Term time at the universities is much better for us than the semester break.

I was too busy studying for the end-of-year exams to do the term paper. Everybody does it
Cecilia Rohas

"Our business is tied to the academic year," he says.

While degrees, licenses and identification from the Philippines are the counterfeiters' strong suit -- and locals say they can even source testamur paper from the year you graduated for added authenticity -- they will attempt any type of foreign document.

Could they do a Green Card, for example, or anything with a hologram? The man turns to a fellow hawker next to his sign and, after a brief exchange in Tagalog, both nod emphatically.

"We can do anything if we've got the original," he says. "It depends how much you're willing to pay."

For students in Manila, the strip on Recto is a one-stop shop for term papers and end-of-year assignments.

"I once went to Recto with five other classmates and we paid to get term papers," said Cecilia Rohas, a former student at Polytechnic University of the Philippines. "I needed 30 pages, double spaced, on the Philippines revolutionary movement under the Spanish and, sure enough, I got 30 pages, double-spaced, all with a bibliography at the back.

"I was too busy studying for the end-of-year exams to do the term paper. Everybody does it," says Ms Rohas.

These days, she says, the operators on Recto have globalised operations, providing academic texts to order online.

"It's becoming a good line for people in Manila that want to make a living by writing," she adds. "I guess because of the high level of English in the Philippines it's a good fit."

While other 'diploma mill' operators on the Recto strip operate openly and in full view of the law, the stallholder stands nervously to attention when two police saunter past his sandwich board.

Crackdowns have become more frequent since Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim, nicknamed "Dirty Harry" for his tough stance with the national police, ordered a clean up of the ID mills several years ago.

The stallholders on Recto rarely do the forgeries themselves, acting simply as runners to forgers who do the counterfeiting behind closed doors.

In October, police raided one of the country's most audacious scams; an entire bogus government department that was collecting "taxes" using forged documents and IDs.

While police suspect the fake presidential agency may have had their own, more sophisticated, in-house forgers who used the latest technology to produce their paperwork and identity cards, the standard of street counterfeits is getting better.

The National Bureau of Investigation's Questioned Documents Division is tight-lipped about the level of sophistication of the forgeries, but admits it's a tough game keeping ahead of the counterfeiters.

"Are the counterfeiters improving? Yes they are," says Carolyn Moldez-Pitoy, supervising document examiner with the National Bureau of Investigation. "The good part is that we are also getting better at detecting them and that dissuades the forgers."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/world/asia/philippines-recto/index.html?iref=allsearch

mikael21

January 18th, 2012, 02:15 AM

DepEd steps up education for indigenous people

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/9y1gdAbaxccSqNCGfplyeg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zODQ7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-PH/News/loQal/yahoo-jan17-photo1-indigenous.jpg
PASIG CITY, METRO MANILA - An agency serving as a delivery facility for all education materials for indigenous people has been opened by the Department of Education (DepEd).

Called the Indigenous People’s Education Office (IPsEO), the new sub-agency will serve as a clearing house and lead in planning, implementing, and monitoring activities related to indigenous people's education.
The creation of IPsEO follows a mandate under Republic Act 8371 or the Indigenous People’s Rights Act of 1997 wherein government offices are to recognize and promote the rights of indigenous cultural communities by integrating activities within their framework of policies.

DepEd also sought to establish a more pertinent policy for indigenous people by creating the National Indigenous People’s Policy Framework in 2011. This would provide the basis for promotion of education for indigenous people through shared accountability, continuous dialogue, engagement, and partnerships.

Read more here... (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/deped-steps-education-indigenous-people-065212421.html;_ylt=Ambmf3l6aLK1NJsPZiq6IyrmV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTNkc2VidXRiBG1pdAMEcGtnAzI5ZGFhNzA1LTJkMjEtMzEyYS1hNmNhLTgwMGFiYWM3N2Y5ZARwb3MDMgRzZWMDbG5fbG9RYWxfZ2FsBHZlcgNjOGMzNjM2MC00MGQ3LTExZTEtOGY5Yi1mY2M4NzBiYTk2NDU-;_ylv=3)

mikael21

January 18th, 2012, 02:19 AM

saintm

January 20th, 2012, 08:33 AM

It's final: DepEd to implement K+12 starting June this year
By Leonardo V. Micua

LINGAYEN, Pangasinan, Jan. 20 (PNA) -- A top official of the Department of Education (DepEd) said here that the K+12 program, which requires students to undergo kindergarten plus 12 years of basic education, will kick off this coming school year (2012-2013).

"It's definitely a go this coming June. It is final and there is no more turning back," DepEd Undersecretary Yolanda Quijano said after presenting a paper during a K+12 International Conference and Workshop on Jan. 19 at the Sison Auditorium in Lingayen, joined by speakers from the United States, Australia and Japan.

Dubbed “Addressing the K to 12 Curricular Enhancement in Philippine Education 2012," the three-day conference was hosted by the Pangasinan provincial government headed by Governor Amado Espino Jr.

Quijano explained that the K plus 12 seeks to holistically develop the students and prepare them to cope with the challenges in the 2lst century.

Under the K+12, she said, they are integrating into the school curriculum several key areas that will equip students with innovative skills, information media, effective communication skills and sound career development.

She said under the program, students would master the basic competencies that they really need so that they can become more competitive, enabling them to find gainful employment even after Grades 11 and 12.

"We would like our educational system to be comparable with all other systems in the world," said Quijano, defending the K+12 program.

She said that in this system, DepEd would like to strengthen the capability of students for employment or entrepreneurship so that they can find jobs or put up their own businesses after finishing Grade 11 or 12.

She said one innovation that they are looking forward in K plus 12 is to have kindergarten, Grades 1, 2, 3 and 4 to be handled in a "face-to-face type of classrooms."

At the same time, she said that although the kindergarten law passed by Congress is yet to be signed by President Benigno S. Aquino III, parents are now enjoined to bring their five-year-old children to kindergarten school under the enhanced basic education curriculum.

Corollary to this, DepEd is holding a nationwide registration for all five-year-old children on Jan. 29 to find out how many pupils would be enrolled in kindergarten schools in June.

There are now existing kindergarten schools in the country enrolling some 1.5 million pupils. All these will now go to Grade 1 in June.

She clarified, however, that though kindergarten is now a requirement, children that did not pass through the regular kindergarten can still be admitted to Grade 1 if they attend summer kindergarten.

At the same time, DepEd is filling the learning gaps for those who cannot take the summer kindergarten so that pupils can catch up with their Grade 1 class.

Quijano said that while K plus 12 will start this year in kindergarten and Grade 7, it is the Grade I pupils this coming school year who will experience the new curriculum in full up to 2023, the year when they reach Grade 11.

"We say we are ready. The children are there and the teachers will be trained while we (DepEd) are now preparing the reading materials," she said, explaining that the international conference was DepEd’s own way of gauging the exposure of teachers in Pangasinan to K+12.

Quijano said there are 22,000 regular teachers and 22,000 volunteer teachers all over the country who will be mobilized to teach in kindergarten.

As to classrooms, she said, there are two classes envisioned for kindergartens, one in the morning and the other in the afternoon. This will also address the problem of lack of classrooms, she added.

Under the program, it is the first year high school students who are the first batch that will go to Grade 7.

For next year, DepEd will prepare mother schools for Grade 11 and announced that some private schools are volunteering to set up model schools for Grade 11.

Quijano asked all sectors to extend their help to DepEd in the implementation of the K+12 program, projecting that next school year "would be a very busy year for all of us." (PNA)

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=2&rid=399547

amigo32

January 20th, 2012, 08:38 AM

U.S. Veterans Affairs Accredits International Academy Of Film And Television

International Film School Now Accepting Students from U.S. Armed Forces

CEBU, Philippines and LOS ANGELES - Sept. 13, 2010 - The International Academy of Film and Television (IAFT) received accreditation from the United States Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), and is now eligible to accept students across all education benefits under the VA, such as the Chapter 33 program, otherwise known as the Post 9/11 GI Bill. With campuses in Cebu, Philippines and Hong Kong, IAFT is an international film school with a robust mentorship and training program and roots in Hollywood where it conducts regular workshops. Through its affiliation with Bigfoot Entertainment and subsidiaries including Bigfoot Productions and New Cebu Films, IAFT provides practical, hands-on training and unique internship opportunities on actual products. Eligible members of the Armed Forces may now apply for IAFT's various filmmaking programs and be granted up to the full amount in tuition fees, as well as a housing allowance and a stipend for books and supplies.

"Being accredited by the stringent standards of the United States Department of Veterans Affairs is a testament to the high standards of our education programs," said Mark Martin, executive director of IAFT. "We are very pleased with the outcome, and are proud to be supporting the men and women of the United States Armed Forces in their pursuit for higher education." Petty Officer Second Class George Macapagal is the first IAFT student accepted under the Chapter 33 program who is eligible for full funding. Born in Manila, Philippines, the film enthusiast later migrated to the U.S., completing his high school education in Illinois. Macapagal is currently stationed in Japan as part of the U.S. Navy.
http://www.iaft.ph/news-us-veterans-affairs-accredits-international-academy-of-film-and-television.php

amigo32

January 20th, 2012, 08:44 AM

The best film schools in the world
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/best-film-schools-world-26870

PHILIPPINES

The International Academy of Film and Television, Philippines

Founded in 2004, the IAFT is located at Bigfoot Studios, a professional studio on the tropical resort island of Cebu, giving students access to state-of-the-art equipment and facilities. "The academy prides itself on bringing Hollywood to Asia and a hands-on approach to filmmaking education," says Mark Martin, IAFT's executive director. He notes that, through Bigfoot Entertainment, students get to work on the sets of feature films for international release. The academy offers various diplomas in filmmaking, sound design and acting, and recently started a nine-month professional immersion program that guarantees students experience on one feature film from preproduction to post. IAFT has also signed an agreement with Jacksonville University allowing graduates to enter Jacksonville's B.A. program as sophomores. About 70 students graduate each year, with fees ranging from $7,970-$14,290.
-- Sonia Kolesnikov-Jessop

University of the Philippines Film Institute

The University of the Philippines Film Institute offers a four-year bachelor's degree in filmmaking, which combines film theory and production courses, as well as a master's degree in media studies. Both cost about $1,000 a year. The institute, which has about 75 film graduates a year, is equipped with basic camera and lighting equipment and has an editing lab for post production. In addition to lectures by notable Filipino cinematographers such as Nap Jamir and Neil Daza, the Institute offers workshops and short training courses covering all areas of production. "UPFI produces filmmakers, not technicians," notes senior lecturer Sari Delana. "Whether it is in mainstream filmmaking, independent filmmaking or television, many of our alumni have become directors." Recent alumni include helmers Raya Martin, who has had three films screened in Cannes, and Pepe Diokno, whose first feature, "Engkwentro," won the prize for best debut at Venice last year.
-- Sonia Kolesnikov-Jessop

tigidig14

January 20th, 2012, 10:40 AM

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/mitx-faq-1219.html

this has nothing to do with our education but seemingly MIT is offering online certificate classes for free

Talata.Productions

January 20th, 2012, 11:25 AM

K-12, sana inimpliment nila to noon pang 2000 nung bata pa ko T_T. Pero ok lang at least na implement din. Sana, SANA wala ng epal na mga stupidong ralihista na walang ibang alam kungdi planking.

epik ll ian

January 21st, 2012, 02:14 AM

It's final: DepEd to implement K+12 starting June this year
By Leonardo V. Micua

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=2&rid=399547

GOOD. I'm glad they finally put their foot down on that one.

tigidig14

January 21st, 2012, 05:24 AM

The best film schools in the world
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/best-film-schools-world-26870

Are non pilipino citizens allowed to go u.p? As a legit student, not including visiting researcher n exchange students, theyre diff.

Ady001

January 22nd, 2012, 12:28 PM

It's final: DepEd to implement K+12 starting June this year
By Leonardo V. Micua

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=2&rid=399547

FINALLY! :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

Ady001

January 24th, 2012, 10:12 AM

An added bonus!

DepEd limits tests
NAT sole assessment tool; regional, division exams banned
By INA HERNANDO-MALIPOT
January 23, 2012, 6:39pm

MANILA, Philippines — The Department of Education (DepEd) Monday prohibited all regions and divisions in the public school system beginning school year 2012-2013 from using assessment tools aside from the National Achievement Test (NAT) when gauging students’ performances.

Education Secretary Armin Luistro said that discontinuing the conduct of all scheduled Regional Achievement Tests (RAT) and Division Achievement Tests (DAT) is in line “with the transition phase in the implementation of the K-to-12 Basic Education Curriculum.”

Through DepEd Order No. 7, series of 2012, Luistro formally ordered schools to discontinue conducting the regional and division achievement tests and declared that the NAT held March every year “shall be the sole assessment tool that will be recognized in measuring the performance of pupils and students attributing to the performance of individual schools, municipalities, congressional districts, schools in city divisions, provinces, and regions.”

Conduct of any other school assessments, Luistro added, “must be properly coordinated with the Office of the Secretary through the Undersecretary for Programs and Projects.”

Earlier, Luistro also ordered changes in the conduct of the NAT to make it more in line with the K-to-12 curriculum. Starting March this year, NAT will be taken by fourth year high school students both in public and private schools, instead of second year high school students.

http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/349068/deped-limits-tests

the glimpser

January 26th, 2012, 01:46 AM

Many positive developments in the education front! Hope they get realized at the soonest possible time.

mikael21

January 26th, 2012, 01:56 AM

It's final: DepEd to implement K+12 starting June this year
By Leonardo V. Micua

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=2&rid=399547

At last they put it on reality...:cheers::cheers::cheers: (http://dmcileasing.com/)

mikael21

January 26th, 2012, 02:18 AM

[QUOTE=mikael21;87719018]DepEd to stop holding RAT next school year

REGIONAL achievement tests (RAT) will no longer be conducted starting next school year.
Department of Education (DepEd) Secretary Armin Luistro said the national achievement test (NAT) will be the only assessment tool to measure the performance of students and schools effective this June.
Luistro, in an order dated Jan. 20, said the stopping of regional achievement tests, and similar assessment tools used by regions and divisions, is in line with the implementation of the K to 12 enhanced basic education program.
DepEd 7 Director Recaredo Borgonia said he supports the move, but he hopes that Luistro will expand the coverage of Nat to include other subjects and school year levels.
He said RAT covers subjects and school year levels not included in the NAT.[/QOUTE]

Read more here... (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/deped-stop-holding-rat-next-school-005729549.html;_ylt=AlOR6WNVZ8L_ObNi2L5Ger_mV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTNmM3BlaGplBG1pdAMEcGtnA2FkYThkMTQwLTMwNmItMzU4Ni1hMmRlLWFlZDQ1YmQwNmM1ZgRwb3MDMwRzZWMDbG5fU3VuU3Rhcl9nYWwEdmVyA2E4MDQyZWMwLTQ2ZWYtMTFlMS1iZDNmLThhNTcxNjgxNzE1Mw--;_ylv=3)

mikael21

January 26th, 2012, 02:19 AM

DepEd to stop holding RAT next school year

REGIONAL achievement tests (RAT) will no longer be conducted starting next school year.
Department of Education (DepEd) Secretary Armin Luistro said the national achievement test (NAT) will be the only assessment tool to measure the performance of students and schools effective this June.
Luistro, in an order dated Jan. 20, said the stopping of regional achievement tests, and similar assessment tools used by regions and divisions, is in line with the implementation of the K to 12 enhanced basic education program.
DepEd 7 Director Recaredo Borgonia said he supports the move, but he hopes that Luistro will expand the coverage of Nat to include other subjects and school year levels.
He said RAT covers subjects and school year levels not included in the NAT.

Read more here... (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/deped-stop-holding-rat-next-school-005729549.html;_ylt=AlOR6WNVZ8L_ObNi2L5Ger_mV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTNmM3BlaGplBG1pdAMEcGtnA2FkYThkMTQwLTMwNmItMzU4Ni1hMmRlLWFlZDQ1YmQwNmM1ZgRwb3MDMwRzZWMDbG5fU3VuU3Rhcl9nYWwEdmVyA2E4MDQyZWMwLTQ2ZWYtMTFlMS1iZDNmLThhNTcxNjgxNzE1Mw--;_ylv=3)

the glimpser

January 27th, 2012, 02:03 AM

Retail giant, partners pool P17M to build more schoolhouses nationwide

One of the country’s largest corporations and an international bank are providing some P17 million to help government address the perennial shortage in public school classrooms.

The SM Group, a retail and real estate giant, along with Deutsche Bank, signed agreements with the Department of Education (DepEd) to fund up to 26 classrooms in selected schools.

The assistance came as DepEd doubled its classroom construction target this year to some 30,000 across the country to reduce by more than half the current shortage.

Public schools are currently in need of some 50,000 classrooms to prevent congestion and reach the ideal classroom-student ratio of one to 45.

The project with the SM Group and Deutsche Bank will be under the Adopt-a-School program, “one of DepEd’s most effective and creative ways” of working with the private sector.

Luistro said earlier the classroom construction program would be in full swing in the next year and a half through similar public-private partnerships (PPP), DepEd’s annual budget and cooperation with nongovernment organizations and local government units (LGUs).

He said some 30,000 classrooms could be built within 2012, almost twice the number of classrooms that DepEd either finished or started in 2011, which was about 16,000.

The mass construction program would include 10,000 through the DepEd budget, 10,000 through co-funding schemes with LGUs, and another 10,000 through PPP [public-private partnership], Luistro said.

The remaining 20,000 could be finished from January to June in 2013.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/132475/retail-giant-partners-pool-p17m-to-build-more-schoolhouses-nationwide

Parchie

January 27th, 2012, 04:24 AM

Retail giant, partners pool P17M to build more schoolhouses nationwide

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/132475/retail-giant-partners-pool-p17m-to-build-more-schoolhouses-nationwide

That P17M could translate into about 34 or so schoolrooms if we base the cost at P500.000 per classroom: assume cost of land per sq. meter = P6,000 and a standard classroom size of 7m X 7m; 7 X 7 X P6,000 = P294,000; cost of materials less than P210,000. Take away the cost of land, we could make 80 classrooms out of P17M.

IMO, DepEd should be talking about billions of pesos to fill the additional requirement they have imposed upon themselves by implementing this K+12 program alone! That does not even consider the need for classrooms under the previous system. I guess the number was around 68,800 way back 2011.

Please check math if you feel it's wrong.

Ady001

January 27th, 2012, 09:59 AM

^^ Maganda din sana kung yung mga ATM ads ng SM wherein one can donate a simple 5 pesos to help a cause.

But I am now slowly admiring Luistro; tahimik pero matinik...

HER

January 27th, 2012, 01:58 PM

^^ Maganda din sana kung yung mga ATM ads ng SM wherein one can donate a simple 5 pesos to help a cause.

But I am now slowly admiring Luistro; tahimik pero matinik...

Pumunta yan dito sa school namin si Luistro, ang unang sinabi nya sa mga teachers na huwag ng maghanda ng anung mga pagkain na magastos kasi kakain lang siya ng gulay at isda at kung ano lang ang available.

Hindi nga nakapaghanda ang mga teacher kasi surprise visit pero kumain siya kasabay ng mga teachers kung ano lang ang baon ng mga teachers.

nakakatawa nga kasi nag offer ang principal na magbili ng softdrinks pero hindi pinabili ni Luistro.

yan ang tunay na nagserbesyo sa taong bayan, hindi feeling boss.

:)

Parchie

January 27th, 2012, 04:40 PM

Group launches kindergarten on wheels

IN an initiative to help the Department of Education accommodate five-year olds in areas in Metro Manila affected by a classroom shortage, the Bagong Henerasyon party-list group launched the Kindergarten on Wheels Project.

A memorandum of agreement was inked between Education Secretary Armin Luistro and BH party-list Rep. Bernadette Herrera to jointly implement the project during simple rites held at President Corazon Aquino Elementary School in Batasan Hills.

Also present were Quezon City Mayor Herbert Bautista, Quezon City Schools Division Superintendent Corazon Rubio, and school principal Paul Medrano.

Luistro said DepEd welcomes the innovation to make education accessible to everyone and to provide all five-year olds with proper educational interventions in preparation for the implementation of the K-to-12 program.
More (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideMetro.htm?f=2012/january/25/metro4.isx&d=2012/january/25)

I hope they change their minds and assign these school on wheels to the hinterlands of our country. The move is good but it doesn't hit where it will matter most. The real shortage of classrooms I think are in those places in the far-flung barangays. But what can we do? The classes start come June and we still need a lot of classrooms! Lofty goals not properly supported with money by our government will surely be a bad thing. Do we always have to do things this way?

Ady001

January 28th, 2012, 03:32 AM

Pumunta yan dito sa school namin si Luistro, ang unang sinabi nya sa mga teachers na huwag ng maghanda ng anung mga pagkain na magastos kasi kakain lang siya ng gulay at isda at kung ano lang ang available.

Hindi nga nakapaghanda ang mga teacher kasi surprise visit pero kumain siya kasabay ng mga teachers kung ano lang ang baon ng mga teachers.

nakakatawa nga kasi nag offer ang principal na magbili ng softdrinks pero hindi pinabili ni Luistro.

yan ang tunay na nagserbesyo sa taong bayan, hindi feeling boss.

:)

I hope he continues that; thankfully he's not using DepEd as a vehicle to usher in the RH Bill...

Acnologia

February 4th, 2012, 07:59 PM

Kukulangin ang budget ng pnas para sa K to 12. kulang classrooms, teachers paeti facilities.

Paano na?

Ady001

February 4th, 2012, 11:18 PM

^^ Then we can call up all those from the private sector to donate (which includes me) and I'll happily oblige.

Parchie

February 5th, 2012, 02:11 AM

Kukulangin ang budget ng pnas para sa K to 12. kulang classrooms, teachers paeti facilities.

Paano na?

Solutions that I heard and gathered:

Gagawa daw ng additional classrooms. Maraming nagsasabi kung ilan, minsan pera ang sinasabi, minsan yung bilang ng kulang. Ang pinaka latest assessment ng isang regional director is that a bigger part of additional classrooms will not available this June (they made statements that K+12 starts this year come June 2012).
A teacher-neighbor intimated that they have subdivided some of their big rooms to make additional rooms. They'll just have to jam-pack their students.
Rooms and spaces intended for indoor activities of the schools are going to be utilized as rooms.
Far-flung barangays will have to do their classes under the shades of trees around the school premises.

This and more indicates that DepEd planned things as we see it. Kodus to DepEd!

Parchie

February 5th, 2012, 02:22 AM

^^ Then we can call up all those from the private sector to donate (which includes me) and I'll happily oblige.

Yep. As if those amounts are within our purview!

A serious thing now, a self-imposed serious problem at that, IMHO! What else can people do? Once people support an endeavor, they'll eat the dust if ever the program/s gets snagged to save face. Then, perhaps we can turn around and blame other people except ourselves?

Ady001

February 5th, 2012, 05:09 AM

^^ As long as I see my money working, my investments are worth keeping.

RonnieR

February 16th, 2012, 07:38 AM

The Commission on Higher Education (CHED) is firm and bold in their moves nowadays. They recently ordered the closure of maritime courses at Philippine Maritime Institute PMI - country's biggest in this field.

Now, they ordered the closure of International Academy of Management and Economics in Makati.

Both cases were due to "failure to comply with education quality standards".

http://www.eyp.ph/business_photos/0028/9358/EYP_17773_IAME_MAKATI_CITY_ISO77_01__1600x1200__normal.jpg?1320925527
International Academy of Management and Economics school building in Makati

CHEd orders Makati school closed
Appeal ‘denied with finality’
By Tarra Quismundo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
10:34 pm | Wednesday, February 15th, 2012

The Commission on Higher Education (CHEd) has ordered the closure of a business school on Metropolitan Avenue in Makati City for failing to comply with education quality standards.

In a notice dated Feb. 3 which was released just the other day, CHEd Chair Patricia Licuanan announced the issuance of a final closure order against International Academy of Management and Economics (IAME) for “gross and serious violations and continuous defiance and noncompliance by the institution [with] CHED Policies, Standards and Guidelines.”

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/146319/ched-orders-makati-school-closed

Ady001

February 16th, 2012, 08:05 AM

^^ Nothing international here, more like a red light district to me...

They have to be serious with their campaigns. Next in line are the phoney Recto diplomas and the creation of a university in Recto :lol:

HER

February 20th, 2012, 03:15 PM

Companies, employees join hands for education (http://business.inquirer.net/45341/companies-employees-join-hands-for-education)
By: Tarra Quismundo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:15 am | Monday, February 20th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines—From providing free advertising and promotion to initiating fund-raisers among employees, corporations are making all the right moves for education.

Joining the ranks of Filipinos who have lent a hand to the cause, companies both here and abroad are taking part in TEN Moves (The Entire Nation Moves), a public-private effort to address the classroom backlog in public schools by raising P6 billion by October this year.

Initiated by the Department of Education (DepEd) and corporate-led education advocacy group 57-75 movement, the campaign hopes to encourage Filipinos around the world to contribute P10 a day for 10 months for the construction of new public school classrooms.

“Whenever we talk to people about it, we sense that people are excited because, first, it’s easy to do, it’s very doable,” says TEN Moves convenor Mario Derequito.

“It’s very clear, very easy, and time-bound. And because it’s time-bound, there is a sense of urgency. You know that you will not be giving forever. [You can give] even just once,” he tells the Inquirer.

For one, cinemas in Ayala Malls have started airing TEN Moves advertisements in Metro Manila, Pampanga, Cebu and Davao, according to TEN Moves.

The ads will run until the campaign ends in October 2012.

Ayala Corp. has also handed over donations and pledges from employees, apart from the P100,000 it gave through its youth development arm, the Ayala Young Leaders Congress.

Multinationals including Coca-Cola, Thomson Reuters and Integrated Microelectronics Inc. have also initiated their own fund-raisers for TEN Moves, encouraging employees to pitch in.

DN Steel, Lafarge Cement and members of the Filipino-Chinese Chamber of Commerce also gathered funds for the construction of a primary school in Mt. Pulag in Benguet.

Japan’s Mitsubishi Corp. also donated $65,000 (about P2.8 million) to fund the reconstruction of classrooms in Northern Mindanao, where schools were wiped out following the devastation of Tropical Storm Sendong in December.

:cheers:

Parchie

February 20th, 2012, 06:04 PM

By HANNAH L. TORREGOZA (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/351687/cayetano-worries-over-depeds-plan-to-remove-science)
February 17, 2012, 4:20pm

MANILA, Philippines — Senator Pilar “Pia” Cayetano Friday expressed concern over the move of the Department of Education (DepEd) to remove Science from the roster of subjects for Grades 1 and 2 saying it would further slow down the competitiveness of Filipino students and would greatly affect efforts of the government to promote science development in the country.

Cayetano said this is worrisome as the lawmakers also take into consideration concerns regarding the shift to a K to 12 curriculum.

“How can we improve our ranking and competitiveness in Science if it’s not a core subject?” said Cayetano, who chairs the Senate Committee on Women and Youth.

Though DepEd officials have promised it would integrated in the latter part of a student’s education, she said what counts is to make it Science an integral part of the curriculum.

“Whether it’s integrated, whether you call it a separate subject, as long as it is a significant part of the curriculum, that is what counts,” said Cayetano.

“But the problem with integration is that it might end up a ‘case to case’ basis for each teacher , how she is going to focus only on Science.

“The reason why you have a separate subject named Science, English, is because it’s required na for that amount of time, yun yung focus mo,” she pointed out.

Cayetano said she fully believes that the reason the Philippines is lagging behind other countries specifically in science and technology is because of lack of teachers that specialize in science.

“If our premise is that the reason why we’re lagging behind in Science and Math, is because 10 years lang yung ating basic education, sa ibang countries 12, ako I beg to disagree that it is the sole reason.

“Baka the reason why we’re lagging behind is also because, eh my gosh wala man lang tayong Science teachers. And the teachers we have, very few of them specialize in Science and Math. Those factors may be more important than the lack of years,” she said.

Cayetano said she has requested education officials to produce a copy of the curriculum so that lawmakers can assess the feasibility of having integrated subjects.

The senator also said that in adding two years to basic elementary, the government should ensure enough teachers are available in teaching subjects.

“The question again is, do we have enough teachers for the whole country who’ll be able to teach all these subjects or skills? How can we start having Grades 11 and 12 when we don’t have sufficient teachers to teach vocational skills,” she said after noting that DepEd will be introducing electives starting Grade 9 in which pupils can choose whether to take up more academic subjects or venture into arts, music, physical education or vocational courses.

DepEd Secretary Armin Luistro said the reason why Science would be integrated into other subjects and be introduced starting Grade 3 is to make learning less stress for pupils.

“The overall design of the new curriculum to be introduced and implemented this coming June to both Grade 1 and First Year high school students is based on the idea that we should be taking the students where they are,” Luistro had said in an earlier interview.

RonnieR

February 22nd, 2012, 12:24 PM

Team Philippines among the Top Four in 2012 World Schools Debating Championships

Team Philippines among the Top Four in 2012 World Schools Debating Championships Sharmila Parmanand (Coach - 2012 Philippine Team) Six Philippine high school students made history by reaching the World Schools Debating Championships (WSDC) semi-final in Cape Town, South Africa in January 2012.

Scotland - Champion
Wales - Runner Up
England - Semi-Finalist
Philippines - Semi-Finalist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Schools_Debating_Championships
http://www.schoolsdebate.com/

PHilippines, the only Asian country in the Semi-Finals. :cheers:

xyriellewest

February 23rd, 2012, 05:18 AM

^^
this proves how talented Filipinos are, proud Race in Asia :cheers2:

xyriellewest

February 23rd, 2012, 05:20 AM

DepEd bats for 9,332 new classrooms by 2013 under PPP scheme

By the end of July 2013, the Philippine public school system will have 9,332 new classrooms in the Ilocos, Central Luzon and Calabarzon regions. If the first public-private partnership project of the Department of Education unveiled at an investor conference Wednesday succeeds, that is.

Over 300 business executives — mostly of construction firms, financial institutions and corporate foundations — gathered in Makati to witness first hand the PPP for School Infrastructure Project (PSIP) presented by government officials led by Education Secretary Armin Luistro.

Luistro said it took government some time to develop the PPP for the education sector because they were being “cautious.”
The DepEd undertook preparatory work, including a detailed inventory of school buildings and a survey of sites where classroom shortage is acute.

Luistro said the classroom shortage stands at 66,800.

Education Undersecretary Francisco Varela said at least 15 entities are interested in the PSIP.

"It is the first time we are doing this. And we hope it will succeed as shown by the expression of interest of many investors," Varela noted. Deadlines

Continue reading here... (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/deped-bats-9-332-classrooms-2013-under-ppp-115406712.html;_ylt=AlJxDp2ha5PGsKxxGinKrb7mV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTNiMXRqNnEwBG1pdAMEcGtnAzRkN2U5NWMzLWM5NzItM2Y1Yy1hYTU2LTNlOTQyMTY4YTJhNwRwb3MDNARzZWMDbG5fR01BX2dhbAR2ZXIDOWIwYTc5YzgtNWQ5OS0xMWUxLWJkZjctNmVlNDkwNWM1MDJk;_ylv=3)

HER

March 4th, 2012, 12:59 AM

Juan Pilgrim

March 5th, 2012, 05:26 AM

Ady001

March 5th, 2012, 05:42 AM

Bumili ng P&G Products para makatulong sa kinabukasan ng mga Estudyante

http://www.malaya.com.ph/03022012/images/index.jpg

Early netizens. Learning will be more engaging and more fun for students of Manuel L. Quezon Elementary School in Tondo, Manila with the donation of laptops by Procter & Gamble (P&G) which marks its 76th year. PHOTO BY JONAS SULIT

:cheers:

This, I think is better:

DepEd takes on computerization of public schools using thin clients

http://www.interaksyon.com/infotech/assets/2012/02/ncomputing2.jpg

MANILA, Philippines — The Department of Education (DepEd) is embarking on an ambitious plan to provide computer facilities to the more than 40,000 public schools nationwide using a new way of providing computer workstations without the steep costs.

This new way of setting up computer labs is made possible through what is called as thin-client computing, which NComputing, the vendor which DepEd partnered with to provide the technology, has claimed to reduce total costs by as much as 75 percent.

Thin clients usually come in the form of a small device that connects to a central server where all the information processing takes place. As such, thin clients do not have microprocessors embedded in them.

To perform computational tasks, the thin clients are linked via the network to the central server, where all the processing is done. This is possible because of a recent technology called virtualization, which maximizes the use of processor, and divides it into several “virtual desktops” that are pushed into the individual thin clients.

Manish Sharma, NComputing vice president for Asia Pacific, explained that such a setup was borne out of the fact that computing habits — particularly in schools — remain unchanged in the past decade even as processing power of computers have gotten better over the years.

“Over a period of time, the needs [of students] have not grown, and there is a huge amount of power in computers which we do not use,” Sharma said in a recent press briefing.

Sharma pointed out that on average, students use only about 5 percent to 10 percent of the processing power of computers when they do their word processing, Internet surfing or presentation making requirements in school.

“The remaining power is surplus power which we pay for but do not use,” he stressed.

http://www.interaksyon.com/infotech/deped-takes-on-computerization-of-public-schools-using-thin-clients

MatudNilaBaby

March 5th, 2012, 06:23 AM

may mga kamay pa kaya tayong magbubungal sa ating lupa o mangingisda sa ating kadagatan kapag masanay ang lahat nating kabataan sa computer?

amigo32

March 5th, 2012, 06:33 AM

meron, sa FB na kasi mag pa-farmtown eh:lol:

@ady
Ncomputing thin client is a bit expensive. I have this setup and am using it right now.
I am gonna get a demo unit from other thin client brand way cheaper than NC.

Ady001

March 5th, 2012, 06:37 AM

^^ Our company uses thin clients din eh, we use Citrix. So far it works naman. :D

Parchie

March 6th, 2012, 03:45 AM

More quality learning, but not more years to learn – Cayetano

Published : Tuesday, March 06, 2012 00:00 Article Views : 441 Written by : JEFFERSON ANTIPORDA REPORTER

IT would be better for the government to work on improving the quality of education being given to students rather than increasing the number years a student spends in school because compared to other southeast Asian countries the Philippines has been allotting more time to science education alone.

This was according to Senate Minority leader Alan Cayetano who said that despite spending most time to science education in elementary as compared with other countries, the Philippines ranks poorly.

The county’s ranking in the annual Global Competitiveness report that pegged the quality of science and education in the country is at 112th out of 139 countries in 2010-2011 and 115th out of 142 countries in 2011-2012.

But based on the study by the South East Asian Ministers of Education Organization (SEAMEO) the Philippine allots 1,100 minutes per week to science compared to Brunei’s 810 minutes, Singapore’s 540 minutes and Malaysia’s 360 minutes.

“With the amount of time we spent learning science, shouldn’t we be performing better compared to our neighbors?” he asked.

The figures, Cayetano said should make the government particularly the Department of Education realize that it should focus on improving the quality of education rather than only the quantity or the number of years a student spends in school as a result of the K+12 program.
MORE (http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/nation/18601-more-quality-learning-but-not-more-years-to-learn-cayetano)

amigo32

March 6th, 2012, 03:56 AM

more years plus quality of learning is the best:D

Ady001

March 6th, 2012, 06:03 AM

^^ Amen to that Brother, este, Sister, este... thing :D

amigo32

March 6th, 2012, 06:10 AM

meowwwww:D

pugak

March 6th, 2012, 08:40 AM

more years plus quality of learning is the best:D

most countries in Europe send their kids to "school" at the age of three. para na rin matuto yung mga bata at the same time makapag-trabaho yung magulang.

OtAkAw

March 6th, 2012, 11:01 AM

^^ Amen to that Brother, este, Sister, este... thing :D

meowwwww:D

Nakakatuwa kayo mag-usap, even in the other threads haha :lol:

Ady001

March 6th, 2012, 12:23 PM

^^ Nakikisakay lang ako boss :D :D

amigo32

March 6th, 2012, 12:23 PM

Nakakatuwa kayo mag-usap, even in the other threads haha :lol:

we are the spice girls:D este boys, we spice up boring threads:rofl:

Juan Pilgrim

March 6th, 2012, 04:49 PM

wolfdgreat

March 6th, 2012, 05:08 PM

As a working parent of 3, I am more in favor of year round school year liKe in SG.

Unlike in the PH, where there is a ~10 week vacation in between school years. There are studies that conclude that a lot of forgetting and unlearning happen done during that long 10 weeks; and at the same time for working parents, child care during vacation time is almost impossible to find.

I am more in favor of something like a 6 week break in between school year, and 2 week break in between semesters, and another week break during each semester for holidays. With this I can still schedule family vacations and trips during the school break.

What do you think?

:horse:
agree. Lessen the long break and add some break in between.

In SG, child care centre is different from actual schooling. sometimes you need both specially if your child is in grade school already.
School year break is more or less 1 month, then 1-2 weeks vacation in between terms and there will be 4 terms in a year.

In PH, it is quite similar, there are already child care centers, aside from preschool and grade schools.

bulabog jalaur

March 6th, 2012, 06:38 PM

12 major Phl languanges to be used as mediums of instruction (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=784550&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

MANILA, Philippines - Twelve major Philippine languages will be used as mediums of instruction in public schools from kindergarten to Grade 3 starting next school year. The move is part of efforts of the Department of Education (DepEd) to boost its Mother Tongue-Based Multi-Lingual Education (MTB-MLE) program aimed at raising student competency.

Education Secretary Armin Luistro said the DepEd is expected to finish the learning modules in time for the June school opening...........

The 12 major Philippine languages are Tagalog, Kapampangan, Pangasinense, Iloko, Bikol, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Waray, Tausug, Maguindanaoan, Maranao, and Chabacano...........

Ady001

March 7th, 2012, 02:21 AM

^^ Way, way better! I'll have to dance to that...

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb215/ady00100/ddd-1.gif

And I hope pwede din silang masingit in literature classes.

Biarway

March 7th, 2012, 07:20 AM

Hindi ba dialect?

Ady001

March 8th, 2012, 04:09 AM

^^
What is a dialect?

A regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary, especially a variety of speech differing from the standard literary language or speech pattern of the culture in which it exists

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dialect

I hate instigating a regionalistic stance here but to enlighten you sir, can a Cebuano understand an Ilocano speaking? Compare that with a Bol-anon speaking.

I'm excited about this. More power to the provinces and more autonomy. Kung di tayo magkakaisa sa wika, eh magkaisa tayo sa ating pagkakakaiba. :D :D

Nabartek

March 8th, 2012, 06:28 PM

more years plus quality of learning is the best:D

More years will give more time for students to process what they are learning. Not the typical "Cramming". Not to forget we have lots of cancelled classes due to our weather pattern

Nabartek

March 8th, 2012, 06:30 PM

Ady001

March 9th, 2012, 02:05 AM

^^ I think it's on areas where the languages are status quo/lingua franca.

Nabartek

March 9th, 2012, 02:20 AM

kenken94

March 9th, 2012, 03:44 AM

^^ ENGLISH!

Nabartek

March 9th, 2012, 05:15 AM

But not everyone understand english well in the Philippines. Maybe in many cities, yes but in remote places where there are mix of people?

:D

Ady001

March 9th, 2012, 09:45 AM

What if the lingua franca is not the indigenous tongue? That could likely lead to supplanting the indigenous tongue by the new migrant tongue?

I am posing this question not to go against native languages but rather for the government to consider realities and deal with it :D

Hmm, give me an example then.

I think the order does not espouse regionalism, but borders on pure pragmatics. It only says medium of instruction.

Nabartek

March 10th, 2012, 07:16 PM

Baguio. Lingua franca is ilocano though is slowly being supplanted by tagalog but the indigenous language is Ibaloi. Note too that there are growing number of immigrants from the south who speak Bisaya, Maranao and has not learned Ilocano.

So if the lingua franca moi will be implemented would it be fair to the immigrants who do not know ilocano? How about the indigenous people who speak Ibaloi(which is slowly dying). How about parts of Benguet where population are mix of Kalangoya, kankanaey, ibaloi?

Or will it result to "segregation" to properly implement native tongue medium of instruction. So there will be ilocano school, maranao school, bisaya school, pangasinan school, kapampangan school, etc...

Though probably to a lesser extent, some parts of Tarlac will have a similar situation

I dont really mean to go against the flow but i think we should not oversimply our ethnic diversity

I wonder how will the government deal with it without alienating the indigenous, native born non indigenous and the new immigrants.

Ady001

March 11th, 2012, 06:21 AM

calaguyo

March 11th, 2012, 03:45 PM

s_w_stars

March 11th, 2012, 06:09 PM

As a working parent of 3, I am more in favor of year round school year liKe in SG.

Unlike in the PH, where there is a ~10 week vacation in between school years. There are studies that conclude that a lot of forgetting and unlearning happen done during that long 10 weeks; and at the same time for working parents, child care during vacation time is almost impossible to find.

I am more in favor of something like a 6 week break in between school year, and 2 week break in between semesters, and another week break during each semester for holidays. With this I can still schedule family vacations and trips during the school break.

What do you think?

:horse:

Sounds good. Europeans I think follow the same calendar, that's why they have so many school holidays in between. So, maybe 6 weeks in between school year, 2 weeks for Christmas Break, 2 weeks for Semana Santa/Easter break, 2 weeks between semesters. Total of 3 months spread out over a year.

s_w_stars

March 11th, 2012, 06:16 PM

^^ ENGLISH!

ENGLISH as the 2nd language, right from grade school. Whether people like it or not it is a universal language in the world.

SPANISH is my choice for high school and up. Spanish has the 2nd fastest growing speakers in the world, next to Mandarin. Besides, if they teach Chavacano style, Filipinos can relate to it much better than the old academic method.

LOCAL LANGUAGES, should be regional. Whatever the school district speaks, they should allot some class hours to that from Grade School to High School.

ELECTIVES: On the post secondary level, one major Filipino language and one foreign language.

epik ll ian

March 12th, 2012, 01:52 AM

ENGLISH as the 2nd language, right from grade school. Whether people like it or not it is a universal language in the world.

SPANISH is my choice for high school and up. Spanish has the 2nd fastest growing speakers in the world, next to Mandarin. Besides, if they teach Chavacano style, Filipinos can relate to it much better than the old academic method.

LOCAL LANGUAGES, should be regional. Whatever the school district speaks, they should allot some class hours to that from Grade School to High School.

ELECTIVES: On the post secondary level, one major Filipino language and one foreign language.

Big resounding NO to Spanish. Look at where you are geographically. Look at the major and (growing) economic superpowers of the world right now. The world's most economically powerful Latin country (Brazil) doesn't even speak Spanish. Do you really think its smart for you to be wasting your time with Spanish? No.

The Spanish language doesn't exist in the Philippines, and its time to get used to that. What better way to lose an already deteriorating national identity than by implementing a language created and used by another country. The Philippines already has to deal with a national language, a regional language and English. If you want to economically grow exponentially by incorporating yourself into the global economy, you need to have students learn a foreign language in middle school/high school outside of these already 3 existing mandatory languages. Add Spanish on top of that? Wow, Horrible idea. You're going to have a country filled with students who can't speak any of those languages fluently.

Parchie

March 12th, 2012, 02:07 AM

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The Spanish language doesn't exist in the Philippines, and its time to get used to that. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..
Despierta por favor, senorita.

epik ll ian

March 12th, 2012, 02:13 AM

PRACTICALITY. When it comes to building the economy and constructing an efficient education system (which is weak enough as it is), you can't be wasting your time trying to revive some vestigial language that never belonged to you in the first place. You want to learn about a part of your past? Then teach it at an institute or academy for people who have the time do such things. But leave it out of the mandatory curriculum. It's unnecessary - not to mention fiscally irresponsible - seeing as how much money it'll cost to find and hire REAL Spanish speakers to come and teach at every single high school. The education system is already having enough trouble trying to implement the new K-12 program.

Furthermore, the Asian economies could easily swallow up the Spanish/Latino countries in an instant. Learn what needs to be learned. The Chinese GDP ALONE can easily eclipse the top 5 Spanish speaking world GDPs combined and then some. What does this mean? Take advantage of this by learning their languages as optional foreign language requirements, and let these students advance the Filipino economy by doing business with these countries. Teach foreign languages in middle/high school like Mandarin, Japanese, Hindi, Indonesian, Malaysian, Thai, Arabic etc. Now that's smart. Don't force all Filipinos to learn some alien language of the past. Do you plan on stubbornly forcing a myopic western-worshipping view of the past by limiting the future generations to only doing business with Hispanic countries for the sake of your own cultural identity problems? Let's face it, a majority of Filipino culture comes from Asia anyway, so take advantage of this. You make Spanish a medium of instruction in High School, you're going to make the education system worse than it already is. You want to confuse kids by cramming 4 mandatory languages into their minds (2 of which are already foreign)? Get real. You can't possibly expect to have a country filled with literate, quadrilingual Filipinos.

Parchie

March 12th, 2012, 05:09 AM

Depende na yun sa tao kung ano ang gusto nya. Ang hahaba ng estorya. Kaya nga "electives" ang mga foreign languages sa universities. Just KISS it - when a person has a future plan to go to Rome, he will try to study the Italian language; to Madrid - Spanish; to Paris - French. . . blah . . blah . . blah.
O, gising na?

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 05:17 AM

^^ I would choose Ilocano because that is the dominant language in the area, not Maranao, Ibaloi or what not.

The question here is pragmatics. The language of the people. If I am Ilocano am I forced to speak Cebuano in an area that is dominant around it?

This is not a question of one language being inherently superior to one that's why it's being taught and regionalist ek ek thing we're trying to purport.

If they want someone to speak Ibaloi, fine, then go to another town, simple as that.

Same as when you're in Manila you have to speak Tagalog or English. I don't speak Cebuano in Manila except for those people I know.

but how about the new immigrants who cannot speak it and having a hard time learning? Maybe it will be easier for northerns since the grammar and words are closer, but for southern languages, it could be confusing.

if Ilocano would be "imposed" in school, would that not endanger the other minority languages, especially the indigenous languages? WOuldn't it also be unfair to the indigenous people for their language to be supplanted by a "foreign" tongue? Wouldn't that be alienating the new immigrants and the indigenous people?

If Tagalogs migrated to Cebu in large numbers to the point that they are more numerous than Cebuanos, should Bisaya/Cebuano be supplanted by Tagalog?

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Comment on Spanish. I believe Spanish is VERY IMPORTANT to our heritage. Do not forget that Noli, El Fili, the national anthem, the constitution were originally in Spanish. So not to go back to the source is, IMO, unwise.

Parchie

March 12th, 2012, 05:26 AM

but how about the new immigrants who cannot speak it and having a hard time learning? Maybe it will be easier for northerns since the grammar and words are closer, but for southern languages, it could be confusing.

if Ilocano would be "imposed" in school, would that not endanger the other minority languages, especially the indigenous languages? WOuldn't it also be unfair to the indigenous people for their language to be supplanted by a "foreign" tongue? Wouldn't that be alienating the new immigrants and the indigenous people?

If Tagalogs migrated to Cebu in large numbers to the point that they are more numerous than Cebuanos, should Bisaya/Cebuano be supplanted by Tagalog?

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Comment on Spanish. I believe Spanish is VERY IMPORTANT to our heritage. Do not forget that Noli, El Fili, the national anthem, the constitution were originally in Spanish. So not to go back to the source is, IMO, unwise.

Wala pong problema yung taga Southern Tagalog pag mag-migrate sa Visayas especially the Batangenos, taga Lucena, etc. Ewan ko ba, kahit nuong asa projects pa ako in my other life, sila lang ang madaling maintindihan ng mga Bisaya. And before I forget, the hardworking Ilocano's far up north mixes well with people in the Visayas. I guess there's more to understanding than just language or dialect, IMHO.

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 06:48 AM

Wala pong problema yung taga Southern Tagalog pag mag-migrate sa Visayas especially the Batangenos, taga Lucena, etc. Ewan ko ba, kahit nuong asa projects pa ako in my other life, sila lang ang madaling maintindihan ng mga Bisaya. And before I forget, the hardworking Ilocano's far up north mixes well with people in the Visayas. I guess there's more to understanding than just language or dialect, IMHO.

It's not the migration per se, but rather, in case Tagalogs become majority, should the logic of "what the majority speaks should be the medium of instruction" follow. Again, I am not talking about migration per se, but the problem of medium of instruction in multilingual societies brought about by immigration.

That is the question I am raising. The case of medium of instruction...or the case of segregation to implement "native tongue" medium of instruction

Ady001

March 12th, 2012, 07:29 AM

but how about the new immigrants who cannot speak it and having a hard time learning? Maybe it will be easier for northerns since the grammar and words are closer, but for southern languages, it could be confusing.

if Ilocano would be "imposed" in school, would that not endanger the other minority languages, especially the indigenous languages? WOuldn't it also be unfair to the indigenous people for their language to be supplanted by a "foreign" tongue? Wouldn't that be alienating the new immigrants and the indigenous people?

If Tagalogs migrated to Cebu in large numbers to the point that they are more numerous than Cebuanos, should Bisaya/Cebuano be supplanted by Tagalog?

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Comment on Spanish. I believe Spanish is VERY IMPORTANT to our heritage. Do not forget that Noli, El Fili, the national anthem, the constitution were originally in Spanish. So not to go back to the source is, IMO, unwise.

Perhaps you don't know the term "When in Rome do as what Romans do?"

In your issue about Tagalogs going to Cebu in large droves, it's been done before. Heck even that language issue was in Davao many years ago. Same issue there, Cebuano began to spread and it became status quo.

You do not "endanger" the languages; you simply put it down as a medium of instruction. And I firmly believe that this is even a non-written rule.

Endanger indigenous cultures? Come on, it's been done, it's a natural rule/scheme of things that some people do submit to a more dominant culture.

You, sir, are not looking at the pragmatics side of things.

(And come on, who the heck will print textbooks in indigenous languages?)

On Spanish, it will have to remain in the outside. Leave it to enthusiasts and to those who will use it.

Ady001

March 12th, 2012, 07:35 AM

It's not the migration per se, but rather, in case Tagalogs become majority, should the logic of "what the majority speaks should be the medium of instruction" follow. Again, I am not talking about migration per se, but the problem of medium of instruction in multilingual societies brought about by immigration.

That is the question I am raising. The case of medium of instruction...or the case of segregation to implement "native tongue" medium of instruction

Your case is illogical. Give us a better case sir please. Illogical meaning it had happened already except the language side of things.

Filipino being Tagalog, it's not a question that it has to be the medium of instruction.

The problem with multilingual instructions, especially in the Philippine landscape is that people simply are regionalistic.

When you immigrate, you "study" the mores and rules of your adopted place, and that includes language. You "respect" the place.

As to the terms of "respect" of not implementing Ilocano to say pockets of Ibaloi classrooms or where they are a lot, it's simply an unwritten rule that yes, you at least speak Ibaloi so that you would be understood, Ilocano to a major school.

If you want your kid to foster Ibaloi, then fine, let him be in an Ibaloi school.

Ady001

March 12th, 2012, 07:42 AM

Wala pong problema yung taga Southern Tagalog pag mag-migrate sa Visayas especially the Batangenos, taga Lucena, etc. Ewan ko ba, kahit nuong asa projects pa ako in my other life, sila lang ang madaling maintindihan ng mga Bisaya. And before I forget, the hardworking Ilocano's far up north mixes well with people in the Visayas. I guess there's more to understanding than just language or dialect, IMHO.

This is correct.

Ang problema kasi sa mga multicultural ek ek na iniespouse ng iba diyan is that they don't look at the Philippines as a whole. The culture of the country is very tribal, regionalistic. Dito pa lang sa SSC nag-aaway na tayo.

To unite this country, we have to untie. Untie meaning, espouse a "laissez-faire" attitude rather than force someone or something to put their language into business.

NOTE: this language thing has gone too far... I'd hate going to internet debates this fare. Let the fire stoke on and be on my ignore list. Saves me better.
But putting into context this thread, it will be an expensive process if we have to put into consideration printing and such and so on and so forth. So we put in the medium of instruction.

RonnieR

March 12th, 2012, 10:37 AM

Maybe we can learn from Singapore. They adopted English as their main language in school, government and daily conversation despite the fact that the majority of the population speak Chinese.

epik ll ian

March 12th, 2012, 07:12 PM

Comment on Spanish. I believe Spanish is VERY IMPORTANT to our heritage. Do not forget that Noli, El Fili, the national anthem, the constitution were originally in Spanish. So not to go back to the source is, IMO, unwise.

You have a choice between furthering your economy and forcing an entire country to learn some antiquated foreign language for the sake of understanding a book or a national anthem? Here's a solution: translate them.

s_w_stars

March 12th, 2012, 07:19 PM

Big resounding NO to Spanish. Look at where you are geographically. Look at the major and (growing) economic superpowers of the world right now. The world's most economically powerful Latin country (Brazil) doesn't even speak Spanish. Do you really think its smart for you to be wasting your time with Spanish? No.

The Spanish language doesn't exist in the Philippines, and its time to get used to that. What better way to lose an already deteriorating national identity than by implementing a language created and used by another country. The Philippines already has to deal with a national language, a regional language and English. If you want to economically grow exponentially by incorporating yourself into the global economy, you need to have students learn a foreign language in middle school/high school outside of these already 3 existing mandatory languages. Add Spanish on top of that? Wow, Horrible idea. You're going to have a country filled with students who can't speak any of those languages fluently.

1. Spanish is in every day usage in the country, whether Tagalog, Ivatan, Ilonggo. 40% of the words are derived from Spanish. We do use it even slang.
2. Unfortunately for you, you see Spanish as a foreign culture. Good, bad or ugly we have to look at in social, historical, cultural and political contest. Culture that we got from Spain is far more imbedded than any other foreign culture, even with the 800 years of Hindu influence on the islands. Culture is a composite, evolving. Spanish colonization was pretty brutal, thorough, but it's deep in us. You don't see it you just live it. It is easier to learn a language within a social, cultural context. (That's why chabacano style of learning is so much easier than learning about Cervantes.)
3. Let's not confuse the methodology of teaching a language and learning a language. Learning to speak fluently is actually educating the brain to think in the context of the language. Even in the English speaking world, speaking and writing are two different matters. Sometimes, post secondary students can't even speak correctly, much less write! But the real purpose of learning a language is to communicate nothing more.
4. Tagalog as a national language is a myth. I had to revert to English when working in far away places in the Philippines. Even in Manila, people tend to speak to me in English. In far away places, many people can't speak Tagalog - experienced that in the Cordilleras, in the Visayas.
5. Philippine languages will never be global languages, so we all have to learn English. And it is harder for Filipinos to learn Mandarin and Arabic (plus Spanish top 3 most popular languages to learn), than it is Spanish. Latin America is a huge blog on the other side of the Pacific where we have cultural connections (plus it is a emerging market). In the next generation, the US will be most likely bilingual too: English and Spanish. (Yes, Brazilians speak Portugues, but they switch back forth with some Spanish, vice versa.) Take your pick.

Animo

March 12th, 2012, 07:41 PM

In the next generation, the US will be most likely bilingual too: English and Spanish.

It's funny because the USA is already part of the huge Spanish speaking countries of the world. Just take a look about this recent Time magazine cover. Now, isn't the US one of our favored markets? Our BPO industries are trying to ask the government to introduce Spanish in the education system because we have the potential to grab this now. Technically, the world's most powerful "Latin" country is the United States of America.

http://p.twimg.com/AmdL6FdCAAEwj6E.jpg

BPO asks govt to re-introduce Spanish language courses

TUESDAY, 06 MARCH 2012 22:11 JENNIFER A. NG / REPORTER (http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/24182-bpo-asks-govt-to-re-introduce-spanish-language-courses)

LEADING business-process outsourcing firm SPi Global is urging the government to re-introduce Spanish language courses in schools to give the Philippines a competitive edge in voice-based BPO.

SPi Global President and Chief Executive Maulik Parekh noted that Latin American countries are becoming more popular with countries like the US—one of the Philippines’s major customers for BPO—which requires bilingual support.

“We need to look at ourselves [and] how we can go back to our Spanish roots,” said Parekh in his speech at the Philippine Economic Briefing held in Pasay City on Tuesday.

He noted that the US, which remains as the Philippines’s major market for voice-based services, is increasingly becoming “more and more Hispanic."

“[This is why] Latin American countries such as Honduras and Costa Rica have an edge [as they can] provide bilingual support,” said Parekh.

While it is regarded as a leader in the voice-based BPO global industry, the Philippines should not be complacent with the emergence of China, he said.

Parekh also made a pitch for the development of the nonvoice sector in the local BPO industry.

Nonvoice services include financial analytics, health-care management, engineering, animation and software development.

Based on government data, the local BPO sector earned $11 billion with 640,000 full-time employees.

The government is looking to increase the revenue of the BPO sector by 20 percent in 2012. It noted that the BPO sector has the potential to register $25 billion in revenues by 2016.

While there is a huge demand for voice and nonvoice services, the government noted the availability of qualified applicants remain the biggest challenge for the sector.

Mercato

March 12th, 2012, 08:12 PM

ENGLISH as the 2nd language, right from grade school. Whether people like it or not it is a universal language in the world.

SPANISH is my choice for high school and up. Spanish has the 2nd fastest growing speakers in the world, next to Mandarin. Besides, if they teach Chavacano style, Filipinos can relate to it much better than the old academic method.

LOCAL LANGUAGES, should be regional. Whatever the school district speaks, they should allot some class hours to that from Grade School to High School.

ELECTIVES: On the post secondary level, one major Filipino language and one foreign language.To bridge the huge gap between the past and the present realities, not to mention it is one of the 12, I am actually in favour of making Chavacano the national language or if in case they find Spanish too controversial. :D :D :D Just to dispel any more accusations of hegemonies among the top 5 bigger languages. Yes, Chavacano is homegrown and that fact might make it more palatable to the larger ethnolinguistic groups, hmmm I think? :D :D
Wala pong problema yung taga Southern Tagalog pag mag-migrate sa Visayas especially the Batangenos, taga Lucena, etc. Ewan ko ba, kahit nuong asa projects pa ako in my other life, sila lang ang madaling maintindihan ng mga Bisaya. And before I forget, the hardworking Ilocano's far up north mixes well with people in the Visayas. I guess there's more to understanding than just language or dialect, IMHO.I concur unequivocally ~ re the ease of getting along with Southern Tagalogs and Ilocanos. Eazy Piecey no sweat. :cool:

The other year before last I had lived in country X amongst a pure Mandarin speaking family from Shenzhen. I only spoke Engilsh and the family only spoke Mandarin except for one son studying in the university and can speak English. He did the translations along with my Mandarin google translator on iphone. Surprise, surprise it was so easy getting along with them. :yes: correct you are on your statement in blue ... but dont get me wrong tho, I am still on guard against their official govt policy. :lol: I wouldnt mind learning Mandarin myself.

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 11:11 PM

To bridge the huge gap between the past and the present realities, not to mention it is one of the 12, I am actually in favour of making Chavacano the national language or if in case they find Spanish too controversial. :D :D :D Just to dispel any more accusations of hegemonies among the top 5 bigger languages. Yes, Chavacano is homegrown and that fact might make it more palatable to the larger ethnolinguistic groups, hmmm I think? :D :D
I concur unequivocally ~ re the ease of getting along with Southern Tagalogs and Ilocanos. Eazy Piecey no sweat. :cool:

The other year before last I had lived in country X amongst a pure Mandarin speaking family from Shenzhen. I only spoke Engilsh and the family only spoke Mandarin except for one son studying in the university and can speak English. He did the translations along with my Mandarin google translator on iphone. Surprise, surprise it was so easy getting along with them. :yes: correct you are on your statement in blue ... but dont get me wrong tho, I am still on guard against their official govt policy. :lol: I wouldnt mind learning Mandarin myself.

Interesting suggestion. reminds me of Pataois. Not sure if Macanese (portugese creole...similar to Chavacano) is official in Macau?

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 11:16 PM

You have a choice between furthering your economy and forcing an entire country to learn some antiquated foreign language for the sake of understanding a book or a national anthem? Here's a solution: translate them.

Spanish, antiquated?

Spanish is the most spoken language after Chinese. Hispanics are a growing numbers in the US (the biggest economy in the world) and several states in the US require bilingualism in English and Spanish. Latin American economies are also emerging.

There are more people who take Spanish as a second/third language than Tagalog. Even in the US where there is a sizable Filipino population, it's quite hard to get a Tagalog course. While Spanish is offered almost everywhere. There are also more GOOD resources in Spanish grammar and vocab than Tagalog. Most Tagalog resources there suck that even native Tagalog speakers cannot really understand and learn the syntax of Tagalog

Maybe, the national language should be the ever changing BEKIMON?:lol::lol: girl, boy, bakla, tomboy..they speak it :lol:

Now, between Tagalog and Spanish...it is Spanish that will help further the economy. Spanish companies and US companies sensitive to its Hispanic population will invest more in the Philippines.

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 11:29 PM

Your case is illogical. Give us a better case sir please. Illogical meaning it had happened already except the language side of things.

Filipino being Tagalog, it's not a question that it has to be the medium of instruction.

The problem with multilingual instructions, especially in the Philippine landscape is that people simply are regionalistic.

When you immigrate, you "study" the mores and rules of your adopted place, and that includes language. You "respect" the place.

As to the terms of "respect" of not implementing Ilocano to say pockets of Ibaloi classrooms or where they are a lot, it's simply an unwritten rule that yes, you at least speak Ibaloi so that you would be understood, Ilocano to a major school.

If you want your kid to foster Ibaloi, then fine, let him be in an Ibaloi school.

So, you favor segregation then?

You see, the policy pushed is native tongue as MOI. So in multicultural societies and given the rate in inter migration in urban areas, how is the government dealing with this "native language" in a multicultural setting without:
- alienating the immigrant population or in case where the immigrant population are dominant, the indigenous population.

The problem of a stronger sense of regionalism is that policies tend to favor one over the other. That is why I am posing the question as to what policy does the government plan to apply in places where immigration from different parts of the country is the trend and "multiethnic societies" where people speak different languages without alienating anyone and accommodating all ethnic groups without favoring one over the other.

How come it is "regionalistic"(in a negative way) to sing the national anthem in their own languages, imperialistic to sing it in Spanish or English (which preceded the Tagalog version), yet "nationalistic"(in a positive way) to sing it Tagalog?

This is the problem that people take too simplistic. Is there any suggestion to balance or at least to address this. So far, even in this 'native tongue' MOI suggestion, it is not even addressed.

How about the families of government employees who has to go to another province where a different language is spoken and the family doesn't know how to speak it? In so far, I don't think the government has any program in giving at least basic lessons on regional languages...? So if Family A from province X gets sent by the government to province Y where they have no common language and the MOI is the native language of province Y, how should then, the family do with it? Learn the language, I agree. But it takes time to learn a language in a close level of those native speakers.

Bekimon, anyone. So far, that's the only "language" that Filipinos regardless of native tongue speak in common :lol::lol:

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 11:42 PM

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5. Philippine languages will never be global languages, so we all have to learn English. And it is harder for Filipinos to learn Mandarin and Arabic (plus Spanish top 3 most popular languages to learn), than it is Spanish. Latin America is a huge blog on the other side of the Pacific where we have cultural connections (plus it is a emerging market). In the next generation, the US will be most likely bilingual too: English and Spanish. (Yes, Brazilians speak Portugues, but they switch back forth with some Spanish, vice versa.) Take your pick.

Funny as this may sound but I think Filipinos knowing at least the basic structure of English helps in learning Spanish. The languages are not the same but there are similar patters like the "to be" concept

When I was learning basic Spanish, I was using what I learned in English, not what I learned in any Filipino language I know...except for some vocabulary. But semantically, it's English

Filipino languages have a totally different structure and approach. I'm sure it's easier for an American to learn Spanish than to learn Tagalog.

A non-Filipino would have a hard time learning the difference between Kumain and kinain. Both translate to "ate".

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 11:44 PM

Maybe we can learn from Singapore. They adopted English as their main language in school, government and daily conversation despite the fact that the majority of the population speak Chinese.

Indonesia adopted the Malay language (though they slightly modified it) despite Javanese being the most spoken language.

Mercato

March 12th, 2012, 11:46 PM

Funny as this may sound but I think Filipinos knowing at least the basic structure of English helps in learning Spanish. The languages are not the same but there are similar patters like the "to be" concept

When I was learning basic Spanish, I was using what I learned in English, not what I learned in any Filipino language I know...except for some vocabulary. But semantically, it's English

Filipino languages have a totally different structure and approach. I'm sure it's easier for an American to learn Spanish than to learn Tagalog.

A non-Filipino would have a hard time learning the difference between Kumain and kinain. Both translate to "ate".Which is precisely why Chavacano might prove to be a useful middle ground for what you are saying because it is a true hybrid of East and West and the more important plus factor is that it is definitely homegrown.

Nabartek

March 12th, 2012, 11:52 PM

^^ I wonder if there are people who still speak the non-Zamboangueno Chavacano? I think the most spoken Chavacano (not sure if by now the only spoken) is Zamboangeno.

Mercato

March 12th, 2012, 11:59 PM

I have no idea.

Nabartek

March 13th, 2012, 12:02 AM

Patois is official in Jamaica...along with English

Capital
(and largest city) Kingston
17°59′N 76°48′W
Official language(s) English / Patois
Demonym Jamaican
Government Parliamentary democracy and Constitutional monarchy
- Monarch Elizabeth II
- Governor-General Patrick Allen
- Prime Minister Portia Simpson-Miller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica

Ady001

March 13th, 2012, 04:25 AM

So, you favor segregation then?

You see, the policy pushed is native tongue as MOI. So in multicultural societies and given the rate in inter migration in urban areas, how is the government dealing with this "native language" in a multicultural setting without:
- alienating the immigrant population or in case where the immigrant population are dominant, the indigenous population.

The problem of a stronger sense of regionalism is that policies tend to favor one over the other. That is why I am posing the question as to what policy does the government plan to apply in places where immigration from different parts of the country is the trend and "multiethnic societies" where people speak different languages without alienating anyone and accommodating all ethnic groups without favoring one over the other.

How come it is "regionalistic"(in a negative way) to sing the national anthem in their own languages, imperialistic to sing it in Spanish or English (which preceded the Tagalog version), yet "nationalistic"(in a positive way) to sing it Tagalog?

This is the problem that people take too simplistic. Is there any suggestion to balance or at least to address this. So far, even in this 'native tongue' MOI suggestion, it is not even addressed.

How about the families of government employees who has to go to another province where a different language is spoken and the family doesn't know how to speak it? In so far, I don't think the government has any program in giving at least basic lessons on regional languages...? So if Family A from province X gets sent by the government to province Y where they have no common language and the MOI is the native language of province Y, how should then, the family do with it? Learn the language, I agree. But it takes time to learn a language in a close level of those native speakers.

Bekimon, anyone. So far, that's the only "language" that Filipinos regardless of native tongue speak in common :lol::lol:

I don't get you. Pardon my ignorance. You wasted too many words. Give me a case study and perhaps we can talk clearly.

(Seriously sir, you are taking this too far. Mods, please transfer this to the language thread.)

RonnieR

March 13th, 2012, 04:53 PM

epik ll ian

March 13th, 2012, 10:30 PM

1. Spanish is in every day usage in the country, whether Tagalog, Ivatan, Ilonggo. 40% of the words are derived from Spanish. We do use it even slang.
2. Unfortunately for you, you see Spanish as a foreign culture. Good, bad or ugly we have to look at in social, historical, cultural and political contest. Culture that we got from Spain is far more imbedded than any other foreign culture, even with the 800 years of Hindu influence on the islands. Culture is a composite, evolving. Spanish colonization was pretty brutal, thorough, but it's deep in us. You don't see it you just live it. It is easier to learn a language within a social, cultural context. (That's why chabacano style of learning is so much easier than learning about Cervantes.)
3. Let's not confuse the methodology of teaching a language and learning a language. Learning to speak fluently is actually educating the brain to think in the context of the language. Even in the English speaking world, speaking and writing are two different matters. Sometimes, post secondary students can't even speak correctly, much less write! But the real purpose of learning a language is to communicate nothing more.
4. Tagalog as a national language is a myth. I had to revert to English when working in far away places in the Philippines. Even in Manila, people tend to speak to me in English. In far away places, many people can't speak Tagalog - experienced that in the Cordilleras, in the Visayas.
5. Philippine languages will never be global languages, so we all have to learn English. And it is harder for Filipinos to learn Mandarin and Arabic (plus Spanish top 3 most popular languages to learn), than it is Spanish. Latin America is a huge blog on the other side of the Pacific where we have cultural connections (plus it is a emerging market). In the next generation, the US will be most likely bilingual too: English and Spanish. (Yes, Brazilians speak Portugues, but they switch back forth with some Spanish, vice versa.) Take your pick.

1. Let's not get far ahead of ourselves, Mr. Statistics, even the Instituto Cervantes itself approximates 20-30% maximum of Spanish pidgin in the Filipino languages. And Spanish is not in every day usage because if I were to speak straight Spanish to any average Filipino they would have no idea what I was saying. Nevertheless, you never see people speak in on the streets or on TV.
2. Spanish culture is deeper because it was one of the recent colonizers that shoved its way of life down the throats of those whom it controlled. It sticks out so much more to you because it stands out above the Chinese/Malay/Arabic/Hindu cultures which have been existing in the Philippines before the Spanish arrival. I guarantee you (especially after living in New York City which is filled with numerous Latin towns), if I were to take you to Latin America, you'd be surprised at how much different their way of life is.
3. No idea what you're saying.
4. Tagalog seems to be a myth because of the few regions who hate the fact that they have to use it. That doesn't mean people don't know how to speak it. In the US, every Filipino communicates in Tagalog regardless of where they're from. Even the Visayans here who allegedly hate the Tagalogs speak it. Filipino pride tends to be much stronger in those who live abroad than those who live in the Philippines which is quite sad imo. People tend to speak in English lately because the Philippines is losing national pride, and it wants to sell itself to other cultures like America and Spain. I'm highly against this.
5. There may be a number of Latinos in the US, but Spanish will never become an official language of the US. It's only used among the Latino community, and it's becoming huge because of the number of immigrants who are pouring into this country to escape the lack of opportunity from wherever they came (which should be plainly obvious to you why you should face your business opportunities to Asia - the land of growing economic giants). Spanish in the US will NEVER become the medium of communication on the TV, on the radio, in business and in school. As an American resident myself, I can guarantee you that. Let America deal with its Latin minority, and you mind your own business. You also have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to Brazil, because Brazilians hate it when people think they speak Spanish. There is absolutely no switching between Portuguese and Spanish. They love their country and their language, and they don't want to be sellouts to the rest of Latin America. They don't speak Spanish at all. They speak solely Portuguese.

FURTHERING THE EDUCATION TOPIC (WHY THIS IS RELEVANT TO THE THREAD):

Whether you think your ambiguous heritage comes from Spain or not is not the point here. People are already complaining that they're losing their regional identity because their language is not being taught and Tagalog is. If this is the case, why would you even want to bring Spanish into the equation here? You want to add ANOTHER language on top of this? Waste of time. Stick with only one mandatory foreign language please. The kids have enough to learn. And Chavacano? What makes you think that Chavacano is a better idea than Tagalog? It's just going to be a repeat episode of another region's language taking over the rest. The point is, you're wasting your time forcing ALL students to learn Spanish because:

1. It's not genuinely Filipino, and no one speaks pure Spanish in the Philippines.
2. The rationale for making the entire Philippines learn Spanish for the sake of a few historical documents is about the same as making the entire Christian world learn Hebrew and Greek (possibly Aramaic maybe Latin). You want to get that tingly feeling by experiencing it in its "original" language? Open an institute, or teach it as a specialty course at college or an academy somewhere - but don't make it compulsory.
3. It's going to confuse the hell out of kids who are forced to fluently know 4 languages (this leaves NO room for an optional foreign language). Plus, they have really no one around in the country to practice it with - thus making it a forced second foreign language.
4. It's fiscally irresponsible, because you'll have to hire real Spanish speakers to come and teach Spanish at every high school.
5. This is the wrong timing because the education department already has no money as it is. Wasting usable money (which hasn't been lost to corruption) trying to teach a mandatory foreign language is extremely unwise.
6. You're just going to be recycling the colonial mentality.
7. It's going to fuel that mentality everyone has where they think they're Spanish (which is false because no Filipino looks Spanish - and this is proven by the Stanford genetic study in which only 3.6% of the Filipino composite blood was found to have Caucasian blood mixed into it).
8. Filipino pride will be deteriorate exponentially.

Now is the time to restore Filipino pride. This needs to begin in the classroom. It's time to end this drawn out period of people who put other cultures before their own. It's time to teach Filipino languages in their pure form - without it mixed into a mess of other western languages. It would be nice to know that the country you come from is proud of itself and isn't yearning to be called back by its colonial master because it lacks the confidence to stand up on its own. Stop convincing yourself that your Spanish or American, because you're far from it. Stop calling for your mommy country to come back and baby you. It's time to stand up strong and assert yourself in the world as Filipinos. Shake the world with your own legacy and don't let it happen the other way around. Does it repulse you guys that much to be Filipinos? It shouldn't.

epik ll ian

March 14th, 2012, 04:47 AM

It's funny because the USA is already part of the huge Spanish speaking countries of the world. Just take a look about this recent Time magazine cover. Now, isn't the US one of our favored markets? Our BPO industries are trying to ask the government to introduce Spanish in the education system because we have the potential to grab this now. Technically, the world's most powerful "Latin" country is the United States of America.
BPO asks govt to re-introduce Spanish language courses

You have enough bilingual support in the Philippines. English is fine. Educational direction should now be guided towards promoting success in more capital-intensive first world industries like entrepreneurship and scientific research - not being the world's secretary.

s_w_stars

March 14th, 2012, 05:01 AM

1. Let's not get far ahead of ourselves, Mr. Statistics, even the Instituto Cervantes itself approximates 20-30% maximum of Spanish pidgin in the Filipino languages.
2. Spanish culture is deeper above the Chinese/Malay/Arabic/Hindu cultures which have been existing in the Philippines before the Spanish arrival. I guarantee you (especially after living in New York City which is filled with numerous Latin towns),
3. No idea what you're saying.
4. Tagalog seems to be a myth ...................Filipino pride tends to be much stronger in those who live abroad than those who live in the Philippines which is quite sad imo. People tend to speak in English lately because the Philippines is losing national pride, and it wants to sell itself to other cultures like America and Spain. I'm highly against this.
5. There may be a number of Latinos in the US, but Spanish will never become an official language of the US. You also have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to Brazil, because Brazilians hate it when people think they speak Spanish. There is absolutely no switching between Portuguese and Spanish.

FURTHERING THE EDUCATION TOPIC (WHY THIS IS RELEVANT TO THE THREAD):

Whether you think your ambiguous heritage comes from Spain or not is not the point here.

Now is the time to restore Filipino pride. This needs to begin in the classroom. It's time to end this drawn out period of people who put other cultures before their own. It's time to teach Filipino languages in their pure form - without it mixed into a mess of other western languages. It would be nice to know that the country you come from is proud of itself and isn't yearning to be called back by its colonial master because it lacks the confidence to stand up on its own. Stop convincing yourself that your Spanish or American, because you're far from it.

1. Good on Instituto Cervantes to think of even pidgin Spanish. I referred to words, Spanish loan words used in the proper Filipino grammatical context, just as English has a lot of loan words used in the proper English grammar. We're not talking pidgin here. It's easier to learn a language, whether in pidgin, creole or Academy style when it is already embedded in the culture.
2. The basic real culture of the Philippines is closer to the Pacific islanders (Austronesian) where the lifestyle, basic social structure are very similar to Filipino island ways. But, from birth to death the rites and rituals, every day life has been impacted by Spanish colonization, (and American but that's a given.) It's hard to accept but that's part of our history. The Lat Ams have overcome that and have moved on. I've worked in a few countries in Latin America and Filipinos would adapt faster there than in China, (been there, done that too_.
3. The objective of education is not the teaching but the learning. Learning a language depends on how it is taught them. Unfortunately, the education system in the country is so much focused on teaching rather than on the learning. Students translate out of terror rather than understand or use a language in context. Based on the OFW's I've met over the years, Filipinos are adept at picking up languages (e.g Farsi, Mandarin, even pidgin Papuan.)
4. Tagalog or any Filipino language will never be a world language outside of the country. So your point about Fil Ams doesn't really do much to advance the use of the language in the school system, since you should all know English in the US!
5. As for the Brazilians, my long time neighbours were Portuguese, my friends in Sao Paolo, the few Brazilians I met in So Am can understand/converse basic or rapid fire Spanish. Unlike some ultra nationalistic Filipinos, Brazilians do not have a chip on their shoulder. They're a fun group of people.

You're talk of Filipino pride and nationalism is pos. Filipinos are not Malaysians, Indonesians, Singaporeans, Spanish, Chinese or American etc. just Filipinos. it is who we are. So what if every Filipino is a multiracial, multicultural, multilingual, in one creature? Anything wrong with that?

The only thing I agree on is to keep this thread in the education thread. Filipinos need to learn English and another foreign language in the proper way with the proper tools/methods to get ahead of others in this ever increasing multilingual economy. Spanish may not be everyone's choice, but there's an advantage already. Besides, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Middle Eastern students are already packing English language schools around the world but not the Spanish speaking people.

Ady001

March 14th, 2012, 06:27 AM

^^ It shows that the Philippines has not really resolved the issue on language. English? Spanish? Filipino a.k.a Tagalog?

The acceptance of a national language that is used or spoken nationwide is still out of reach.....

Sige...

Can someone tell me who is willing to fund and train people, perhaps create a proper curricula for Cebuano or Waray besides a bunch of linguists in UP?

Is that going to be economically sound to do?

Will there be possible economic benefits out of this?

My god, this thread again rings of Josepepe.

xxxriainxxx

March 14th, 2012, 06:36 AM

I am surprised to hear that Tagalog is the 4th most spoken language in US (not 5th as initially reported).

Ady001

March 14th, 2012, 06:38 AM

^^

Ako ay nagagalak na ang Tagalog ay ika-apat sa pinakadinadakdak na wika sa estados unidos

Nahibulong ko nga ang Tagalog ang ika-upat nga ginatabi nga pinulongan sa estados unidos.

RonnieR

March 14th, 2012, 07:20 AM

Sige...

Can someone tell me who is willing to fund and train people, perhaps create a proper curricula for Cebuano or Waray besides a bunch of linguists in UP?

Is that going to be economically sound to do?

Will there be possible economic benefits out of this?

My god, this thread again rings of Josepepe.

It should be thru Department of Education. WE have the resources but the problem is the implementation and ACCEPTANCE by the people.

Why do we have to resort to mother tongue (native language) in the medium of instruction (other than English) if we have the national language? I'm still confused on the direction made by DEPED. It shows the weakness on the implementation of the national language - Filipino a.k.a. Tagalog.

tigidig14

March 15th, 2012, 07:58 AM

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/251526/news/nation/phl-absent-from-list-of-worlds-top-100-most-reputable-universities

PHL absent from list of world’s top 100 most reputable universities
March 15, 2012 9:21am
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(UPDATED 12:00 p.m.) - Not a single Philippine university made it to the Times Higher Education's (THE) list of top 100 universities by reputation, which was released on Thursday.

On its website, THE said the reputation survey was conducted from a period of April
to May 2011, with “tens of thousands of academics from all over the world,” who
were “statistically selected” by the system using data from the United Nations.

Some 17,554 respondents replied to the survey this year, up by 31 percent from the first edition of the rankings.

THE noted that most of its respondents were “experienced, seniors academics,” almost
three-quarters of which “have identified themselves as academic staff, with the majority
working full-time.”

“In the Academic Reputation Survey used by THE, scholars are questioned at the level of
their specific subject discipline. They are not asked to create a ranking or requested to list
a large range of institutions, but to name just a handful of those that they believe to be the
best, based on their own experience,” it said.

It added that respondents were asked “action- based” questions like “Which university would you send your most talented graduates to for the best postgraduate supervision?”

Some 44 percent of the respondents came from the Americas, followed by Europe (28
percent), Asia Pacific and the Middle East (25 percent), and Africa (4 percent). — with Earl Victor Rosero, Rose-An Jessica Dioquino, Adrian Dy, RSJ/VVP, GMA News

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wasnt there a news last year that were not gonna be joining this ranking because it doesnt do our education level justice <-- i believe them...lol
well i still believe that our school has one of the toughest curicullum as comparable to those in the top american universities. its just they dont see us as smart ass that bothers me:lol:

Danny19

March 15th, 2012, 09:41 AM

How about english will it be still the medium of instruction starting from grade 3 or 4???? I hope they will still use english as a medium of instruction together with Filipino!

RonnieR

March 15th, 2012, 10:20 AM

How about english will it be still the medium of instruction starting from grade 3 or 4???? I hope they will still use english as a medium of instruction together with Filipino!

Yes, it is still English and Filipino.

Education
Philippines to launch digital classrooms
Matikas Santos (Philippine Daily Inquirer), Asia News Network, The philippines | Thu, 03/15/2012 2:56 PM

http://www.thejakartapost.com/files/images2/philipine.main%20story.jpg
John Bessey, Microsoft Philippines Managing Director, and Esther Vibal, Chairperson of the Vibal Group of Companies, shake hands during the Annual Innovative Education Forum organized by Microsoft to seal the partnership between the two companies.John Bessey, Microsoft Philippines Managing Director, and Esther Vibal, Chairperson of the Vibal Group of Companies, shake hands during the Annual Innovative Education Forum organized by Microsoft to seal the partnership between the two companies.Can you imagine a classroom without chalk and blackboard, manila paper, cartolinas, one-fourth sheets of paper, pencils, erasers, and attendance sheets?

The leading Philippine educational materials publisher Vibal Publishing House Inc. and international computer software company Microsoft have not only imagined it, they are working on making that a reality.

Vibal and Microsoft, in cooperation with the Department of Education (DepEd), have partnered to create a new kind of classroom set to enter the digital era.

They are making this possible through the introduction of e-textbooks that can be accessed by students on tablet computers.

Chris Datol, operations manager of Vibal’s subsidiary Vibe Technologies Inc., said during the Annual Microsoft Philippines Innovative Education Summit last March 2 that “a child becomes smarter when he or she uses a digital device and consumes digital material.”

He cited a study conducted by the United Nations who found that students “exhibited better performance” because of the highly visual and multimedia content that tablets can show to students.

E-textbooks will have multimedia features like educational videos, full-color pictures, instructional audio content, customizable text, interactive quizzes, online connectivity allowing external links to resource websites, study tips, and many more.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/03/15/philippines-launch-digital-classrooms.html

Raven83

March 15th, 2012, 07:19 PM

Parchie

March 15th, 2012, 07:29 PM

Raven83

March 15th, 2012, 08:18 PM

And did you ever ask yourself why those AIM products never became a "CEO"s in at least Asia's top?

I know you're thinking discrimination of the schools, but it's not about it,it's not even the size of the economy that is involved it always begins in the fundamentals of teaching methods what's in your mind transforms into reality around you

...like what I said it's our education system's lack of creativity...management creativity specifically.

Our education is based on the teaching discipline that the Professors are learned elites (daw!) and your just the desperate student begging for knowledge. Free thinking is a rare practice here. Which somehow is the same practice in the private industries. Have people noticed how our industry lacks variety and very traditional? Food,banking.services,energy and real estate.

I'm schooled both here and the US (UC system), and honestly I was surprised how the classes were shorter and curriculum simpler (considering they terribly cost more). but the method of teaching is quite different. It always goes around like "This is how we do it,now how will you do it on your own?" rather the typical Pinoy professor's "This is the right way and the only right way to do it,no if's and but's" (tapos ang galing pa magyabang na may 2 Ph.D,consistent UP scholar, wrote several books but the longest work experience that he ever had was 2 years to nameless construction company:lol:(MBA prof yan sa AIM))

Parchie

March 15th, 2012, 08:31 PM

I know you're thinking discrimination of the schools, but it's not about it,it's not even the size of the economy that is involved it always begins in the fundamentals of teaching methods what's in your mind transforms into reality around you

...like what I said it's our education system's lack of creativity...management creativity specifically.

Our education is based on the teaching discipline that the Professors are learned elites (daw!) and your just the desperate student begging for knowledge. Free thinking is a rare practice here. Which somehow is the same practice in the private industries. Have people noticed how our industry lacks variety and very traditional? Food,banking.services,energy and real estate.

I'm schooled both here and the US(UC system), and honestly I was surprised how the classes were shorter and curriculum simpler (considering they cost more). but the method of teaching is quite different. It always goes around like "This is how we do it,now how will you do it on your own?" rather the typical Pinoy professor's "This is the right way and the only right way to do it,no if's and but's" (tapos ang galing pa magyabang na may 2 Ph.D,consistent UP scholar, wrote several books but the longest work experience that he ever had was 2 years to nameless construction company:lol:(MBA prof yan sa AIM))

Nope. Not even close. When you go and push for an MBA, you don't get the usual professor's lecture ("This is the right way and the only right way to do it,no if's and but's"), like when you did in college. You get assigned some topics and you make your presentations to which your classmates and the professor dissect. That's how I experienced it.

The main reason I see why you don't see those AIM products as CEOs in big Asian companies is simply because, those positions are already taken, crystal! I saw two PHL companies landing in Forbes list and the CEO of those companies are old yet capable. Unless, newer companies are evolving and those AIM products can apply to as CEO's.

Raven83

March 15th, 2012, 10:04 PM

Nope. Not even close. When you go and push for an MBA, you don't get the usual professor's lecture ("This is the right way and the only right way to do it,no if's and but's"), like when you did in college. You get assigned some topics and you make your presentations to which your classmates and the professor dissect. That's how I experienced it.

The main reason I see why you don't see those AIM products as CEOs in big Asian companies is simply because, those positions are already taken, crystal! I saw two PHL companies landing in Forbes list and the CEO of those companies are old yet capable. Unless, newer companies are evolving and those AIM products can apply to as CEO's.

Forbes 1000 yes but not in top 100 by revenue ,I'm familiar with the MBA case study method and I know AIM is one of the Pioneers in Asia and one of the first who did outside US, I attended several seminars at AIM prior to my application the problem is they they stop evolving. Even the school itself rarely took of from their roots there is still this 70's vibe in building and with the teachers. We can't have our companies evolve into bigger entities if they fail to evolve and simply stay with their comfort zones.

tigidig14

March 16th, 2012, 12:20 AM

I know you're thinking discrimination of the schools, but it's not about it,it's not even the size of the economy that is involved it always begins in the fundamentals of teaching methods what's in your mind transforms into reality around you

...like what I said it's our education system's lack of creativity...management creativity specifically.

Our education is based on the teaching discipline that the Professors are learned elites (daw!) and your just the desperate student begging for knowledge. Free thinking is a rare practice here. Which somehow is the same practice in the private industries. Have people noticed how our industry lacks variety and very traditional? Food,banking.services,energy and real estate.

I'm schooled both here and the US (UC system), and honestly I was surprised how the classes were shorter and curriculum simpler (considering they terribly cost more). but the method of teaching is quite different. It always goes around like "This is how we do it,now how will you do it on your own?" rather the typical Pinoy professor's "This is the right way and the only right way to do it,no if's and but's" (tapos ang galing pa magyabang na may 2 Ph.D,consistent UP scholar, wrote several books but the longest work experience that he ever had was 2 years to nameless construction company:lol:(MBA prof yan sa AIM))

It sounds like ur proff's are into business research rather than managing management

xyriellewest

March 16th, 2012, 02:55 AM

How about english will it be still the medium of instruction starting from grade 3 or 4???? I hope they will still use english as a medium of instruction together with Filipino!

^^
wise points and good combination indeed :yes: these are the most important aspect in education in preparing young generations to become a better person.

s_w_stars

March 16th, 2012, 04:32 AM

It's not actually the curriculum it's the room for creativityand quality and industry experience of the professors . I must agree that our colleges and universities may have the toughest curriculum and terror inducing professors out there but in the end its the result of how their students perform in the industries they are in. For example in Business school rankings our very own AIM never made it to the Asian top ten list simply because none of their wide number of Alumni ever became a CEO in at least one of Asia's top 100 corporations.

It's actually both - the curriculum development and the professors. The curriculum lays out the learning outcomes and how the students are going to achieve them, and the professor/teachers are supposed to follow them and deliver. If the curriculum content/design is weak, even the best profs/teachers will have a hard time. Now if the profs/teachers aren't good, they can train them to deliver the curriculum. Since schools in the Philippines are primarily for profit, and pay their profs and teachers I would consider pittance, there is no incentive for quality education.

s_w_stars

March 16th, 2012, 04:47 AM

Sige...

Can someone tell me who is willing to fund and train people, perhaps create a proper curricula for Cebuano or Waray besides a bunch of linguists in UP?

Is that going to be economically sound to do?
Will there be possible economic benefits out of this?

My god, this thread again rings of Josepepe.

In an expat forum, there is a clamour from expats in the Visayas and Mindanao for Cebu/Visayan language courses. I know of already 2 language teachers who actually take in private tutoring for Cebu/Visayan. Rosetta stone I think already has Tagalog. You don't need to train people, as long as they are already native speakers, certified teachers/adult educators with proper textbook. I think it would be easier to teach other Filipino languages to other Filipinos than to foreigners because all the languages have the same grammar, and come from one linguistic tree.

Parchie

March 19th, 2012, 05:33 PM

In an expat forum, there is a clamour from expats in the Visayas and Mindanao for Cebu/Visayan language courses. I know of already 2 language teachers who actually take in private tutoring for Cebu/Visayan. Rosetta stone I think already has Tagalog. You don't need to train people, as long as they are already native speakers, certified teachers/adult educators with proper textbook. I think it would be easier to teach other Filipino languages to other Filipinos than to foreigners because all the languages have the same grammar, and come from one linguistic tree.

Let's all agree on one basic thing so that we can form a base line at which we can move forward. It must be understood that for a good learning environment to be achieved, a good communication, either by peers (student to student) or instructor to students should be working at the most efficient level. Most educators argue about which medium of instruction is best but obscures the main objective, which is: the efficient transfer of learning to the students (whatever the efficient media of instruction maybe). The choice of which medium of instruction often times masks the main thrust, that of finding the most efficient way of communicating the lessons to the students, and vice versa. In a multi-ethnic setting, English is preferred by most teachers. Any mismatches, either a deficiency in the delivery on the part of the instructors or comprehension difficulty on the students could derail whatever curriculum and program there is to be accomplished.

Nabartek

March 19th, 2012, 11:15 PM

^^That being said, I think the KWF and the media should do away with the "Taglish" mix which is more of a result of a popular culture in the 70's rather than multiple languages being spoken.

I'm not sure with other languages but it seems to me that trilingual Ilocanos and Pangasinenses do not code switch as much as native Tagalog speakers do. There are loan words but it's nothing like the Tagalog-English switch.

Retrain teachers, reform the media.

epik ll ian

March 20th, 2012, 12:58 AM

^^ Completely agree. Taglish sounds extremely uneducated.

Lilyr

March 21st, 2012, 06:20 PM

^^What about Kris? sounds uneducated?:lol:

amigo32

March 21st, 2012, 11:24 PM

Sounds Noynoyed to me:rofl:

xyriellewest

March 22nd, 2012, 02:36 AM

MatudNilaBaby

March 22nd, 2012, 07:18 AM

sad to hear this one :ohno:

we need educational reforms now, and the k+12 program might be the answer. the chaos and ills we see in our metropolitan areas is what is spawned by our own educational system.

speaking of our top universities and colleges, theyre only good for own local standards. how could we be at par when our colleges and universities are enrolling 10th and 11th grader equivalent in international schools. you expect to give them a bachelor diploma thats only equivalent to an associate degree? never will they see you as equal when it comes to education.

Nabartek

March 22nd, 2012, 08:21 PM

we need educational reforms now, and the k+12 program might be the answer. the chaos and ills we see in our metropolitan areas is what is spawned by our own educational system.

speaking of our top universities and colleges, theyre only good for own local standards. how could we be at par when our colleges and universities are enrolling 10th and 11th grader equivalent in international schools. you expect to give them a bachelor diploma thats only equivalent to an associate degree? never will they see you as equal when it comes to education.

IMO, universities should get rid of the "repeated" subjects/courses in college. And allot the time to other courses so students could concentrate more. I mean, it doesn't hurt to remove some redundant subjects and have longer lesson time say, 1 hr to 1.5 hrs. Hindi yung parang laging nagmamadali sa clase, exam, at homeworks

Parchie

March 23rd, 2012, 04:41 AM

IMO, universities should get rid of the "repeated" subjects/courses in college. And allot the time to other courses so students could concentrate more. I mean, it doesn't hurt to remove some redundant subjects and have longer lesson time say, 1 hr to 1.5 hrs. Hindi yung parang laging nagmamadali sa clase, exam, at homeworks

I agree on some of the points you raised there. There is a need to smoothen out the curricula in the higher education institutions. But we need to point out also that one of the causes why there is slow progression inside the classrooms are the mismatches in teachers wrt to students. If an institution implements moves to homogenize each classroom and arrange for an almost perfect teacher-student fit, the costs could go sky high. I have seen schools that aim for "quality" and then slide back to mediocrity as their school will not attract more enrollees. They'd rather go with the "pwede na" attitude and survive. Government ought to give more support to institutions with products performing well.

Also, while it is a proven fact that the nations' greatness depends on the knowledge and productiveness of its citizens, we are not going anywhere with lots of mediocre-trained, off-the-mill graduates. Government and all our politicians should change the popular notion that higher education is for all. How high can we go if we try lifting all of those who are slow and laggards together with those with high intellectual ability/ with positive traits at the same time?

We need to see government to show us where the country wants to be? Are we going to be contended with sending our workers away to serve in other countries or do we have plans to develop our country and be producing our own Filipino-made cars, appliances, and other goods? And then, perhaps, the education institution can be re-engineered to help achieve those long-term plans for the country. Sadly, we don't see our leaders looking ahead, they are looking down, stuck with the details of how to tweak the education system to perpetuate the existing export of labor to other countries.

epik ll ian

March 23rd, 2012, 05:05 PM

^^ You couldn't be more correct on this.
For those who aren't fit for higher education, more vocational opportunities should open up for them.

Nabartek

March 23rd, 2012, 06:19 PM

^^not a bad idea but the problem with vocation in the Philippines is that hardly anyone will hire you :( it's the mentality o the businesses. Sales person na. Ga lang kelangan pang college level

pulsephaze22

March 24th, 2012, 04:06 AM

kenken94

March 24th, 2012, 09:07 AM

^^ Then again. Whether in the top 100 or not, Philippine professionals are of high caliber and can face head-to-head in foreign countries. That says a lot about Philippine education.

amigo32

March 24th, 2012, 06:20 PM

I also remembered that one of the criterion for the ranking is that there should be a significant number of foreign professors working in the university. Diyan tayo talo eh.

That won't happen, America is even getting professors from the Ph:lol:

Parchie

March 24th, 2012, 06:52 PM

That won't happen, America is even getting professors from the Ph:lol:

True. My classmate, who was our valedictorian is currently teaching in Maryland. Both her sister and her husband are teachers there. It seems the situation is reversed?

MatudNilaBaby

March 24th, 2012, 07:18 PM

True. My classmate, who was our valedictorian is currently teaching in Maryland. Both her sister and her husband are teachers there. It seems the situation is reversed?

i bet before they were hired to teach, they have to take classes or pass a certification examination before they get a teaching credential which license them to teach in public schools. private school teachers here dont require that much of government sanctioned curriculum for teachers because they dont pay that much compared to public school teachers. for as long as you have a bachelor degree thats equivalent to american standard, and you have the passion for teaching, they will take you in.

most of the flip teachers i know here have advance degrees already when they came, and thats very helpful in the evaluation process where the state technically deducts 2 years from your bs or ba degrees.

Parchie

March 24th, 2012, 08:10 PM

i bet before they were hired to teach, they have to take classes or pass a certification examination before they get a teaching credential which license them to teach in public schools. private school teachers here dont require that much of government sanctioned curriculum for teachers because they dont pay that much compared to public school teachers. for as long as you have a bachelor degree thats equivalent to american standard, and you have the passion for teaching, they will take you in.

most of the flip teachers i know here have advance degrees already when they came, and thats very helpful in the evaluation process where the state technically deducts 2 years from your bs or ba degrees.

Sobra siguro sa "passion" 'nyor! Lola nila educator, Mama, tulo ka igsuon, mora'g naa na gyud siguro sa dugo!

USC grad, taught sa CNU, then post graduate studies, etc. Ug moundang na na siya ug ginhawa, ang lapida ana butangan ug "HER LIFE WAS EXCLUSIVELY FOR SCHOOL USE ONLY"! Hahahahahaha

MatudNilaBaby

March 24th, 2012, 08:18 PM

Sobra siguro sa "passion" 'nyor! Lola nila educator, Mama, tulo ka igsuon, mora'g naa na gyud siguro sa dugo!

USC grad, taught sa CNU, then post graduate studies, etc. Ug moundang na na siya ug ginhawa, ang lapida ana butangan ug "HER LIFE WAS EXCLUSIVELY FOR SCHOOL USE ONLY"! Hahahahahaha

ug sa una pa gyud na sila ning ari nga dili pa kaayo istrikto sulod dayon kon makapasar sa interview ug educational background pero karon theyre too strict with teacher credentialing

Parchie

March 24th, 2012, 08:27 PM

ug sa una pa gyud na sila ning ari nga dili pa kaayo istrikto sulod dayon kon makapasar sa interview ug educational background pero karon theyre too strict with teacher credentialing

Yep. She just told me that. Some of her Pinoy friends even lost their teaching jobs to local teachers just the other year. The good thing is that the spouses of those teachers who were booted out were medical practitioners, so they just adjusted to a different life in the US.

MatudNilaBaby

March 24th, 2012, 08:34 PM

Yep. She just told me that. Some of her Pinoy friends even lost their teaching jobs to local teachers just the other year. The good thing is that the spouses of those teachers who were booted out were medical practitioners, so they just adjusted to a different life in the US.

yeah be adaptable. it's a usual practice here to have more than one career in a lifetime. since i left, i got 3 or four different careers to my belt already.

Rajah_Soliman

March 26th, 2012, 11:54 PM

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sick_n_tired

March 28th, 2012, 03:25 AM

Brighter Future for Philippines' Rural Children via ADB, Japan Preschool Grant (http://www.adb.org/news/brighter-future-philippines-rural-children-adb-japan-preschool-grant)
March 23,2012

MANILA, PHILIPPINES – Japan and the Asian Development Bank (ADB) today provided a $1.5 million grant to the Philippines to support a public–private partnership that will put 6,000 children in new preschool classrooms in impoverished rural communities by 2014.

The grant from the Japan Fund for Poverty Reduction, as financed by the Government of Japan and administered by ADB, will build 60 preschool buildings in southern Luzon and western and central Visayas.

Another $2.04 million will be financed by the Philippines’ Department of Education (DepEd) and private partners led by Aklat, Gabay, Aruga Tungo sa Pag-angat at Pag-asa (AGAPP) Foundation.

"The very best investment a country can make in its future is an investment in the education of its children," said Kunio Senga, Director General of ADB’s Southeast Asia Department. "Early childhood education delivers life-long impacts on children's intellectual development, and enhances their long-term earning potential and well-being."

read more (http://www.adb.org/news/brighter-future-philippines-rural-children-adb-japan-preschool-grant)

jpdm

March 28th, 2012, 03:39 AM

I also remembered that one of the criterion for the ranking is that there should be a significant number of foreign professors working in the university. Diyan tayo talo eh.

Baka di kaya ng budget ng mga universities sa atin ang maraming foreign professors..iba ang rate..

pulsephaze22

March 28th, 2012, 08:40 AM

That's what actually puzzles me. Why do they need to include the number of foreign professors to their criteria if local instructors can actually fill-up the job with the same quality. That's what makes the list so bias.

Ady001

March 28th, 2012, 10:04 AM

^^ Uhm, yabang effect? :)

Foreign kasi in some cultures would imply that some schools could afford professors and lecturers from high-caliber universities which charge high. This comes in a premium. Most of these apply (with the usual suspect) western teachers going to eastern shores.

But foreign though is very broad.

pulsephaze22

March 28th, 2012, 10:50 AM

Speaking of foreign professors, are our schools allowed to hire them?

nike2.5

March 28th, 2012, 06:07 PM

kudos to

La Salle greenhills Adult Night High school

for giving the unfortunate to study a 5-year commercial High School

tigidig14

March 28th, 2012, 10:15 PM

I also remembered that one of the criterion for the ranking is that there should be a significant number of foreign professors working in the university. Diyan tayo talo eh.

maybe demographically diverse e.g. gender but not foreign-born prof's, i highly doubt that. it wouldnt sound methodological

tigidig14

March 28th, 2012, 10:18 PM

^^ You couldn't be more correct on this.
For those who aren't fit for higher education, more vocational opportunities should open up for them.

this is similar how the german education system is. if youre not fit for university, then theyll put you in vocational, depending on the test result, actually nurse is considered vocational in their country

Rajah_Soliman

March 28th, 2012, 10:58 PM

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Nabartek

March 29th, 2012, 06:57 PM

this is similar how the german education system is. if youre not fit for university, then theyll put you in vocational, depending on the test result, actually nurse is considered vocational in their country

Maybe it's CNA?

RN are really Registered Nurses....
In the Philippines, there are hardly vocations that you can use within the Philippines

Even the "lowest jobs" sometimes require 4 yr degree

Nabartek

March 30th, 2012, 12:23 AM

I thought I'd post it here (regardless that this is from a (s)expat forum) but it rings true to the state of our education.

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6371

MatudNilaBaby

March 30th, 2012, 04:27 AM

Maybe it's CNA?

RN are really Registered Nurses....
In the Philippines, there are hardly vocations that you can use within the Philippines

Even the "lowest jobs" sometimes require 4 yr degree

a lot of filipino rns started as cnas before they could take the board exam here. for those who cant pass, they remain as a cna some for life because they got tired of taking the board exam.

nursing is where the filipinos can compete head to head with local graduates here because the rn training is only two years that you earn at community college with an associate degree in nursing. those wanting a bs or ms who like to work in supervisory level or become instructors. but the entry level nursing is the two year nursing program. although our nursing graduates there cant claim that they have a bs in nursing due to the fact that we only have a 1-10 basic education. a 2 year deduction from your tor makes you an associate degree holder.

Nabartek

March 30th, 2012, 04:53 AM

^^ I thought you were referring to the Philippines that'ds why I was confused. It was only a givaway when you mentioned community colleges

tigidig14

March 30th, 2012, 06:22 AM

Maybe it's CNA?

RN are really Registered Nurses....
In the Philippines, there are hardly vocations that you can use within the Philippines

Even the "lowest jobs" sometimes require 4 yr degree

not in other countries, sometimes vocational course is deemed sufficient enough to acquire a decent pay living job. theres nothing wrong with cna, lpn, asn rn, bsn rn, np, msn, dnp, or what not, im just merely stating facts gathered during my stay there

Nabartek

March 30th, 2012, 06:31 AM

not in other countries, sometimes vocational course is deemed sufficient enough to acquire a decent pay living job. theres nothing wrong with cna, lpn, asn rn, bsn rn, np, msn, dnp, or what not, im just merely stating facts gathered during my stay there

Of course, I am speaking of the fate of vocational courses "graduates" in the Philippines...

You have to be a college level or graduate to be a salesmen or lady

RonnieR

March 30th, 2012, 08:00 AM

RonnieR

March 30th, 2012, 08:01 AM

Be Proud UP and the Philippines :) :cheers::banana:

UP only Asian university in mock court tilt
by Rodney Jaleco, ABS-CBN North America News Bureau
Posted at 03/30/2012 10:12 AM | Updated as of 03/30/2012 1:41 PM

UP law students show they're at par with world's best

WASHINGTON D.C. - Aspiring lawyers from the University of the Philippines appeared on track on vindicating their dismal showing at the last Bar exams, today becoming the only team from Asia and the Third World to enter the “Round of 8” in the largest moot court contest here.

Some 137 teams from 80 countries – from an original field of over 600 law schools – made it to the 2012 Jessup International Law Moot Court competition that culminates with the Jessup Cup World Championship on Saturday.

“We continue to be undefeated and today we won the run-off and the ‘octo-finals’ against Greece which means we’ve qualified for the quarterfinals. We’re now in the top 8 of the world,” lawyer Harry Roque Jr., the UP team coach, told ABS-CBN News.

UP will be competing against teams from Oxford, Columbia, Hastings, Oakland and Ottawa universities as well as law schools from Russia and Melbourne, Australia.

More significantly, one of the case studies tackled by the moot court was culled from the Vinuya “comfort women” case (petition seeking compensation from Japan for abuses committed during World War II) that’s reportedly one of the bases for the impeachment of Philippine Supreme Court Chief Justice Renato Corona.

“The problem is based on a case that was one of the reasons why the Chief Justice was impeached, ang kaso ng mga comfort women at kung tama ba ma-invoke ang state immunity ‘pag nagkaron ng paglabag sa tinatawag na ‘jus cogens’,” Roque revealed.

He does not believe this gave UP an edge, asserting that if they enjoyed any advantage it was in the Filipino law students’ passion for what Roque calls an injustice.

“Whoever wrote the case study based this on a case in the Philippine Supreme Court that still has not been resolved with finality,” he explained.

Roque said he doubts this was a coincidence because the Vinuya case has earned international notoriety for its various twists and turns – especially after Supreme Court Justice Mariano del Castillo was accused of plagiarism in the Vinuya “ponencia”.

The High Tribunal tried to sanction the UP College of Law after it called for Del Castillo’s resignation.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/03/30/12/only-asian-university-mock-court-tilt

blitzmage_89

March 31st, 2012, 05:46 PM

wolfram74

April 1st, 2012, 02:48 AM

It's really not that Philippine tertiary education is a lot worse now compared to the 80s or the 90s. It's just that developing countries are now starting to industrialize and they're investing a lot more money into their universities as their economic status quickly rises. (ex. Malaysia, China and India)

unfortunately, the opposite thing is happening in the philippines :bash:

Philippine education spending still below UN standard (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/31229/philippine-education-spending-still-below-un-standard)

MANILA, Philippines—Despite the nominal increase in the education budget over recent years, state spending on education has actually declined when compared to the Gross Domestic Product, representing just a third of the United Nation’s recommended national investment on education. :shocked: :shocked:

Education Secretary Armin Luistro himself noted this trend in a recent presentation on the state of the country’s education system before Philippine Business for Education, an organization of businesses supporting education reforms.

According to Luistro, state spending in 1997 and 1998 hit a high of 3.2 percent of the country’s GDP, higher than the current level of 2.1 percent.

The current education budget is P238.8 billion, higher than last year’s P207 billion but lower if taken as a ratio of GDP. Last year’s budget was 2.3 percent of GDP, :ohno: a benchmark used globally to gauge how much governments spend on education.

The UN recommends that governments spend at least six percent of their GDP on education.

“If we work hard for a bigger share in the budget, if we were back to 3.2 percent rather than 2.1 percent, we’d have a budget of at least P327 billion,” Luistro said in his presentation before business leaders in Makati City.

Luistro also noted that per capita spending for each of the more than 20 million public school students every school year has increased to P10,700, from P9,400 in 2011 and P8,000 in 2010. But despite the nominal increases, the amount is actually “going down compared to inflation.”

Asked later if DepEd has asked the President to raise education spending levels, Luistro said the department was aware of competing state needs and was pursuing alternative sources of funding to address critical shortages in education resources.

“We talk about that in Cabinet meetings and we talk about competing needs. For example, we have to invest in energy. So we talk about that and we’re balancing it,” said Luistro.

He also noted that DepEd, the country’s largest bureaucracy, continues to receive the largest allocation in the annual state budget and has seen the largest increase in spending among government departments in the last two years.

“What’s important is that we are looking at other sources of funding. Example, there is the SEF (Special Education Fund) of local government units,” said Luistro.

DepEd is also pursuing partnerships with the private sector to address unresolved shortages in classrooms, textbooks, teachers, school desks and sanitation facilities. The current classroom shortage is at 50,921 while DepEd lacks around 74,000 teachers.

Parchie

April 1st, 2012, 02:53 AM

Ady001

April 2nd, 2012, 04:15 AM

Another good motive... highlighted is the portion on how it ties up with the TEN MOVES CAMPAIGN:

Message (of hope) in a bottle
By Nathalie Tomada (The Philippine Star) Updated March 27, 2012 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Boy Abunda is proud to have gone to a public school. When he was in elementary, the TV host studied at the Eugenio Daza Pilot Elementary School in Borongan, Eastern Samar.

When he was in grade one, he attended a school tucked away in a remote barrio where his mother, then a new teacher, was assigned to teach. He remembers that there were only two classrooms, with grades one to three students packed in one, and grades four to six in the other.

He now believes that his phobia for snakes started at that school, where snakes would find their way to the roof. He also experienced not having any classroom because it got damaged by visiting typhoons.

Despite those challenges, Boy will always remember that part of his life with great fondness.

“I think some of the sweetest moments of my life happened when I was in public school, when life was gentle,” Boy shares in a presscon.

“Those were the times when I was walking to my school in slippers. During recess, I would eat ice candy sold outside the school. I remember a very strict principal and when you throw your trash around, you get reported to her. I miss those unadulterated moments. All these are part of my life, a part of me that has not diminished. I think that public school boy is still who I am deep inside.”

Boy may have gone on to become one of the most successful in the entertainment industry who has a public school background, but he still feels for the many public school students who still have to contend with those conditions that make learning a struggle every single school day.

For this reason, Boy readily gave his endorsement to the new purified bottled water in the market, aptly termed as Hope In A Bottle, which aims to address a persisting problem of the country’s education sector — classroom shortage in public schools.

...So how does it work? Once enough funding has been raised for a classroom, Friends of Hope in tandem with the Philippine Business for Social Progress (PBSP), the largest corporate-led, non-profit social development foundation in the country, will refer to a shortlist provided by DepEd of the “most desperate districts” to select a school. Once that school is identified, Friends of Hope and PBSP will bid out the project. PBSP will then manage the project under its Ten Moves program. Depending on the location of the school, building a classroom can cost from P500,000 to P700,000 per classroom, and this amount only covers the bare structure.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=791290