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October 21st, 2004, 05:49 PM
seems we lost the old PEC / new stadium thread here it is again
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View Full Version : # UC / Perth Arena perthwa October 21st, 2004, 05:49 PM seems we lost the old PEC / new stadium thread here it is again perthwa October 21st, 2004, 05:50 PM Railway cover plan dropped Multiplex has dropped plans to cover the railway line between Perth and Northbridge in a revised bid to secure a $50 million State Government grant for a new indoor sports and entertainment centre. But while Multiplex is known to have lodged its expression of interest by yesterday's deadline to redevelop the mothballed Perth Entertainment Centre, the Royal Agricultural Society refused to comment yesterday on the status of its rival proposal for a 12,000-seat stadium at Claremont Showground. The Government has offered to contribute up to $50 million towards the new stadium, which must be capable of staging events such as the Hopman Cup tennis tournament, basketball, world BMX titles and concerts. The stadium must seat at least 12,000 people, be near public transport and within a 10km radius of the GPO. The deadline for bids was delayed for two weeks at the request of the RAS, which was looking to secure financial backing for its plan. The society is already facing heated community opposition to its showground proposal, with Claremont Town Council voting this week to oppose any such development. At the council's meeting on Tuesday night, councillors unanimously agreed to a resolution not to support a stadium in Claremont. "We just believe the impact on the town is totally out of character with what was originally intended for the showground," Claremont mayor Peter Olson said yesterday. The Department of Housing and Works refused yesterday to disclose how many expressions of interest it had received. Multiplex's original broader plan to redevelop the Entertainment Centre included covering the rail line. However, with the Government offering no extra money to sink or cover that rail line, its revised proposal relates to redeveloping just the Entertainment Centre site alone. The Kerry Packer-controlled Burswood confirmed yesterday it was involved in the Multiplex bid. The Multiplex bid comes as corporate advisers engaged by the WA Government investigate whether the construction giant should have to pay a disputed $2 million penalty for not building a new rugby and soccer stadium as part of its original $220 million Perth Convention Exhibition Centre mandate. perthwa October 21st, 2004, 05:55 PM great news, that plan would have been shocking, even if its 40 years i prefer to wait than to get that pethetic rail plan, lets hope the new stadium is built and within very close walking distance to the CBD we need major infrastructure to keep the CBD viable 24 hours a day 7 days a week having large flow on effect for cafes, restaurants and retails we want the CBD to be more than just an office hub and a stadium provide large crowds will do just that, in melbourne when there was games on at dockland alot of people cam and investment money into the CBD so this can only be good for perth, its of my opinion that all major infrasturucture should be centralsied in the CBD, to create an urban vibrant central precint for tourist with a mix of uses, decentralising things like those away from the CBD will just be a big kick in the bum, the CBD already has good rail transit and cafes ect... and we want the action in the centre not in the suburbs where people will watch a game hope in the car and head home, with the soccer in east perth i usually get some dinner before the game and sometimes go into northbridge after, so its good economic and life injection for the city plus i use the train, fight to keep the CBD to CENTRE!!! so i support the PEC site as long as they take into account future sinking of railway for good linkages between CBD and northbridge http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CBRE/CBRE_62/300/CBRE_62_20786_18654.jpg http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CBRE/CBRE_62/300/CBRE_62_20786_18665.jpg homesik October 22nd, 2004, 01:05 AM what about henderson island, with a light rail connection, that be cool. andrewM October 22nd, 2004, 02:56 AM The whole debacle over the lowering of the railway line in Northbridge annoys the hell out of me no end.. The PCC had some brilliant ideas but I fear the time has passed certainly for another ten years until CBD and Northbridge land prices make it more economically viable. Then I fear it will just turn out to be just office and residential, not the mixed use and civic plans that the council had Dilaz89 October 22nd, 2004, 03:30 AM yeah its all the state govt fault that were not getting a sunken rail line! they are pricks! perthwa October 22nd, 2004, 04:27 AM they want money to pork barrel pre election, if only it went into the CBD & inner city.... Dilaz89 October 22nd, 2004, 11:03 AM yeah spend the money on cbd's,not fucken suburban roads and shit like that. perthwa October 22nd, 2004, 11:20 AM a good way to earn money sell the hoons cars we would make a fortune sell them interstate, no more bogans on the roads, and heaps of money for the city 23knots October 22nd, 2004, 09:15 PM I disagree I think this latest news is a disaster. Anything, even covering the line, would have been better than nothing. I don't think the line will ever be sunk now. mikeyraw October 23rd, 2004, 04:41 AM I think MES is getting done up to 26 g some time soon. perthwa October 23rd, 2004, 05:40 AM i'd rather wait another 30 years than get 3rd best, the only thing stopping the rail being sunk is money, give it money and it will be sunk tomorow, now we just have to wait for a government who cares about the CBD and inner city, and really wants perth to become a better place.... hence why i have been waiting some time... perthwa October 29th, 2004, 02:28 PM Developer in push for RAS stadium The Royal Agricultural Society and development company Mirvac Fini have lodged a joint submission to build and operate a 12,000-seat indoor sports and entertainment venue in Claremont Showgrounds. Mirvac Fini development manager Julian Urquhart said an expression of interest had been lodged with the state government, but said plans were not required at this stage. Initially, applicants had to show the government they had the financial and operational expertise for the project and could provide a site within 10km of the city, close to public transport. Parking, land-use conflicts, environmental and heritage issues also had to be considered. If the application is successful, the next stage would be to draw up concept plans by January 2005. Mr Urquhart said Mirvac Fini was also developing a master plan for the Showgrounds to give the RAS the option to "unlock some value" and "generate more revenue to sustain themselves." As well as the stadium, this could include a hotel and other sporting, retail and commercial uses, he said. The RAS and Mirvac Fini plan to consult the world's biggest sports architecture firm, HOK Sport + Venue + Event. HOK designed the Telstra stadium, the Sydney Olympic venue; Wembley stadium in London; Suncorp stadium in Brisbane; Telstra Dome in Melbourne and Hong Kong stadium. The footprint of the stadium, which would be near the railway, would be rectangular and 130m wide by 160m long, he said. "We will seek to engage the local council as soon as possible during development of concept plans and work with them for a solution that is acceptable to local community," he said. At this stage it was not known if the Mirvac/RAS expression of interest would be shortlisted. Last week, Claremont council, responding to concerns of local residents, voted not to support building the stadium and some councillors said the RAS was moving away from its traditional agricultural base. Mayor Peter Olson said residents had had to put up with loud rock concerts and frequent disruptions from non-agricultural events at the Showgrounds. He said the RAS's legal status meant the council could not charge it commercial rates, despite expending considerable staff time and resources managing the impact of its events. "What concerns us is that the RAS has still not formally advised us of their plans and seem uninterested in doing so," Mr Olson said. The state will contribute up to $50 million to the he project. In July, Housing and Works Minister Nick Griffiths called for expressions of interest to build and operate an indoor entertainment and sports venue within 10km of the CBD to attract big sport and entertainment events to Perth. Expressions of interest to build the stadium closed on October 21. Shortlisted applicants will be invited to develop formal submissions and detailed designs by July 2005. Two applicants would then be selected to take part in final negotiations until the government picks one. perthwa October 29th, 2004, 02:29 PM Claremont row hits Parliament Questions over Claremont's implicit agreement to move the football oval to the Showgrounds have reached state parliament. This followed concerns from some councillors, who said they had been misrepresented by the council administration and mayor as supporting the move, despite never formally voting to do so. Liberal MLC George Cash tabled questions on September 22 to Planning Minister Alannah MacTiernan asking if the council had given any written or verbal indication it supported the move, and to specify when and by whom this was given. In a written reply last week, Ms MacTiernan wrote: "The minister was advised by the mayor and the chief executive officer of the Town of Claremont at a meeting held on September 16, 2004, that the Town of Claremont has indicated a willingness to explore redevelopment options for the Claremont Oval, including relocation of the Claremont Football Club to the Royal Agricultural Society Showgrounds, subject to the parameters set by council's resolutions." Claremont council had indicated "qualified support for the relocation proposal" in exploratory meetings in July and November 2003 and in letters of July 9 and December 23, 2003, and June 16 and August 11, 2004, Ms MacTiernan wrote. Councillor Jock Barker is concerned the confusion makes the council look like "bumbling idiots" and said he could understand the minister's frustration with the council. "No wonder the minister is getting mixed messages from the council," Mr Barker said. "We are ultimately concerned this could adversely affect the decisions the minister will make about developments in the Claremont area." Claremont chief executive Arthur Kyron said the council had only indicated it wanted to be involved in ongoing discussions and had not formally resolved to support or oppose the relocation. Homeroids October 29th, 2004, 03:39 PM Bad idea having it at Claremont IMOH. Belmont or expand the PEC I reckon. perthwa October 29th, 2004, 03:41 PM yeah needs to be within close walking distance to the CBD imo plus right on a major train station and good bus services, plus cafes, resturants and bars, and in a place it can expand etc.. I want more people in the CBD out of hours so the PEC site is right imo just demolish and start again put it in a good location for northbridge links and it will be great Dilaz89 October 29th, 2004, 03:41 PM 12000 is lame, not worth it! perthwa October 29th, 2004, 03:44 PM its for events like basketball, tennis, concerts etc.. so thats a good capacity maybe 15,000 but thats alot more than the PEC, i think belmont is a poor location, no cafes and resturants + bars near, events enourage people to go out after, people will just go to the game and leave also bus access wouldn't be as easy as other sites perthwa October 29th, 2004, 03:50 PM Im really looking forward to this new development because then the dome will be demolished, and a prime development site will be opened up!!!! a link for the peninsular + bursood casino into burswood city! Auxodium October 29th, 2004, 06:12 PM i agree with the government as it is political suicide if they do as it will push down our credit rating back to WA INC levels and we don't want that! But they like the idea but they have put forward the NMR plan so let them do that first and hopefully in their 2nd term they can do things like the Sinking of the rail and building LRT and the such like. I am optimistic that they (WA-Gov and other bodies) will be logical within the next 8 years and sink the rail in Northbridge and who knows maybe in East Perth at McIver Station! :) perthwa October 30th, 2004, 03:40 AM before getting to much of geoffs shit on your dick remeber they have a bloody massive surplus, they have money to sink the rail 3 times over, but they couldn't give 2 shits about the CBD or inner city, just winning a bloody election, maybe if they just did a good jobs they wouldn't have to worry about pork barreling and dumping money on marginal seats, you are to bloody optimistic about the govt they have already DUMPED their only light rail plan in rockingham, they are giving us a second rate tunnel system, and bloody expanding the rail system to bloody whoop whoop, this sounds more like a govt ready to go back into oposition Homeroids October 30th, 2004, 05:11 AM Oh well, no Govt is perfect but I can tell ya now, the rail plan the Libs had was a joke. I am much more happy with the option chosen by Labor and though I am a swinging voter, I tend to sway from the Left more so usually Labor gets a 2nd prefernce from me. perthwa October 30th, 2004, 05:19 AM yeah the kenwick route was a joke, the armadale line would have needed a 3rd track of duplicated to cope with the train traffic, also the new line opens up alot areas to public transit and alot of redevelopment oportunities in the CBD all though one has been crossed off (sinking) I think really at most the rail should go to rockingham and divert the rest of the funds into making more stops on the line, improving the CBD section sinking from south perth to leederville almost, and build high density communites around the new stations so there is no need for the rail to sprawl out so far and i think mandrah should have a mini metro system ie 4 stops around mandruahs metro area so i can hop on in the southern suburbs of mandurah and head into the northern suburbs so its not just a line to head central but to get around an ever sprawling mandurah perthguy78 November 1st, 2004, 06:42 AM i suggested this some times ago and u blew up at me... how times have changed Auxodium November 2nd, 2004, 01:17 PM lol, remember it is chris! :D perthwa November 12th, 2004, 11:24 AM Alarm over footy talks gag Claremont councillors were asked to agree to a gag this week before they could learn the details of the football club's proposed move to the Showgrounds. They refused. The council called two meetings this week. The first was with the Claremont Football Club board to ask about the move and the second was with the Royal Agricultural Society to express concern over the stadium proposal. Before meeting the football club, councillors were told they could not see the memorandum of understanding (MOU) between the club and the Royal Agricultural Society unless they signed to agree to keep the details confidential. Claremont chief executive Arthur Kyron said: "The club and the RAS wanted councillors to sign a confidentiality agreement with regard to the content of the MOU." Mr Kyron said no councillors signed the confidentiality agreement, so the MOU was withheld. Some councillors said giving an undertaking of secrecy would compromise their responsibility to ratepayers. Councillor Jock Barker said: "I am concerned about agreeing to keep the contents of a document confidential when it may have significant implications for the ratepayers I represent. "I would never agree to confidentiality about a document without knowing its contents." Councillor Clem Edwards said he would not sign for the same reasons. Councillor Anita Lorenz said she could not understand the need for secrecy. "I don't want to be walking around knowing something that may affect my ratepayers and not be able to tell them," she said. Councillor Dick Maisey said he might have considered signing the agreement if it were the only way to learn of the contents of the MOU. "How on earth are we to sensibly deal with the issues without knowing the substance of the agreement?" he said. "Whether or not the club moves is between them and the RAS; the issue for the council is the future use of the land they might vacate." Todd Shimmon, football club general manager, said the MOU contained terms of a lease agreement between the club and the RAS. He said the club would become a tenant of the RAS and it was proposed the two would share a new grandstand. The club was seeking financial compensation for vacating its current site, which would involve the loss of a street frontage, and income generated from Show parking and subletting premises to the Aspire Fitness Club, he said. "If we move off the land it will free it up for redevelopment," he said. RAS chief executive Bruce Rathbone said the confidentiality clause in the MOU was a safety device to ensure a third party did not misinterpret any parts of the agreement and that the document was considered as a whole. "We don't want the document broken down or taken out of context," Mr Rathbone said. Mr Rathbone said the only source of funding for the move would come from the government and from unlocking value from the club site. At the second meeting with the RAS councillors reiterated their opposition to the stadium and pushed for input from the community prior to plans proceeding further, Mr Kyron said. He said the council had called a public "Dialogue with the Town" meeting on Saturday November, 20 at the Claremont Footnball Club which would give residents a chance to ask questions and express views on development proposals for cental Claremont, including the stadium. http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20041113/news/images/murderteam1.jpg Auxodium November 12th, 2004, 02:01 PM i think the Claremont Football Club shoul dmove to the RAS ground and sell Claremont Oval and develop the site. RocStar November 16th, 2004, 04:25 PM 3rd bid in for stadium...I still hope the old ent site gets the go ahead. I wrote to Alanna (we're on first name basis now..lol) pointing out the benefits of a central location. New Multiplex stadium plan MARK DRUMMOND Multiplex has revived plans to build a new indoor stadium next to the State Tennis Centre at Burswood in a bid to secure a $50 million WA Government contribution for a replacement venue for the Hopman Cup. The West Australian has confirmed that the confidential State Tennis Centre proposal is the third bid received by the Government to build the new 12,000-seat stadium - which must be capable of staging the Hopman Cup and events such as basketball, netball, world BMX titles and indoor concerts. Multiplex has lodged a separate bid to redevelop the Perth Entertainment Centre, while the Royal Agricultural Society wants to build the stadium at Claremont Showground. The Government has offered $50 million towards the cost of the stadium, but wants no ongoing financial or management role in the project. The stadium is required because the Entertainment Centre has been mothballed by owner Kerry Stokes' Seven Network and the loss-making Burswood Dome is expected to be demolished after it hosts its last contracted Hopman Cup in 2007. Accentuating the problem is that the Dome will not be able to host more rock concerts after singer Delta Goodrem performs next July because of undertakings to people moving into the neighbouring $700 million Burswood Peninsula apartments. While Multiplex refused to comment on its State Tennis Centre proposal yesterday, it is understood the construction giant believes it can soundproof the new stadium enough to ensure it did not breach any noise restrictions. Ironically, the Burswood Peninsula development is being undertaken by the Kerry Packer-controlled Burswood and developer Mirvac Fini, which is backing the Royal Agricultural Society in its rival Claremont Showground bid. The proposal to move the Hopman Cup to a new stadium built next to the $5 million State Tennis Centre was raised three years ago by tournament director Paul McNamee, who estimated such a venue would cost about $50 million. One of the biggest problems the three proposals vying for the Government's $50 million offer have to overcome is how to operate the stadium profitably once it is built. While building costs on reclaimed land at Burswood could be inhibitive, the State Tennis Centre option has advantages in being close to the freeway, a railway station and Burswood's hotel and golf course. Tennis West has a 50-year lease on the land with the Burswood Park Board. www.thewest.com.au perthwa November 16th, 2004, 04:29 PM the ent centre has it all, good bus and train transport, close to shops, cafes, restaurants, nightclubs, central location withing the CBD and city of perth, etc etc.. the best site imo RocStar November 16th, 2004, 04:47 PM Exactly right..imagine the benifits of 12000 people spilling into the cbd :) ….or 12000 people spilling into Claremont or Burswood park would be a total muck and such a waste :rant: perthwa November 17th, 2004, 07:03 AM yeah burswood doesen't really have the infrastructure, i mean we have belmont special events railway station but you will be feeding alot of people onto one line, if in the CBD its the central interchange, all people can connect strait to their line, if not you will have 3-4 lines worth of people all trying to catch an up service into central and it will be harder to cope, and as you said, people are lazy, alot will just go strait home if they have to walk to entertainment, put it central people will have a meal and go shopping before and after a show go out for drinks and a dance, a venue need to be more than just the show but fit into the urban fabric of the city and the 'total city expereince' make a night of it, so a location un central will not fulfil it, so PEC all the way! ill get a letter in to good stuff perthwa November 27th, 2004, 06:08 AM 3 Options >>>Claremont Showgrounds >>>Perth Entertainment Centre >>>Next To State Tennis Centre InMyTree November 27th, 2004, 08:08 AM Perth Entertainment Centre for sure. If it doesn't happen there, the motivation/impetus to sink the railway line will be lost, and the 'opening up' of the CBD to Northbridge will be put off for another 20 years. What a shame that would be. perthwa November 27th, 2004, 08:10 AM as long as its planned well, if put in the wrong spot it could make connections between the CBD and northbridge even worse, lets hope if it goes ahead they look into more than just their venue but planning for the city as a whole, and not just a quick buck, they could reposition it etc... to help links and future sinking Dilaz89 November 28th, 2004, 08:40 AM i say where the ent centre is! but i think we should wait for the rail to be sunken first. perthwa November 28th, 2004, 10:03 AM when considering how vibrant subiaco is when afl is on, beaufort street when soccer is on etc... having a major venue in the CBD will do wonders for the life of the city on event days! Dilaz89 November 28th, 2004, 02:35 PM yeah also added illumnation at night from the big lights gives the place a more lively city feeling. perthwa November 29th, 2004, 08:12 AM Two proponents for new entertainment stadium. The State Government is examining submissions from two proponents for the construction and operation of a new multi-purpose indoor entertainment and sports stadium in Perth. Housing and Works Minister Nick Griffiths announced today that the Mirvac Fini/Royal Agricultural Society partnership and the Perth Arena Consortium had submitted stadium designs and would be invited to respond to a request for proposals which would be issued early next year. The Perth Arena Consortium comprises the Multiplex Group, Spotless Group, Burswood International Resort Casino, Cox Group and JVM (Jacobsen Venue Management). "The Government is encouraged by the response from the private sector," Mr Griffiths said. "We called for expressions of interest to attract expertise to a project of considerable scale and because of the robust Western Australian economy, the private sector has demonstrated confidence in developing and managing a facility such as the multi-purpose stadium." The proponents have nominated three sites for the proposed stadium. Perth Arena Consortium has named two sites at the Entertainment Centre in Northbridge and at Burswood. The Mirvac Fini/RAS submission (which includes sports architects HOK) nominated a site within the Claremont showgrounds. "This is the first step in a selection process which will culminate in a preferred proponent to develop and operate the stadium," the Minister said. "The stadium is a key plank in the State Government's commitment to address a shortage of major entertainment and sporting infrastructure. "For too long WA has struggled to attract or retain major events because of a fundamental lack of a suitable venue. "In eight years the Liberals had five deficits, running down the State. In four years Labor has delivered a balanced Budget every year, without any privatisation. "Because of this good management, now Labor can grow the future by investing in this exciting and much needed project. "I am delighted the private sector has taken up the invitation to be involved in the stadium's development and operation." The expression of interest document, released in July 2004, called for submissions to develop and operate a 12,000-seat, world-class, multi-purpose stadium on a site within 10km of the Perth GPO. The brief called for a stadium with a high level of adaptability, capable of hosting large-scale live performances such as international concerts and dance spectaculars. It would be state-of-the-art and suitable for hosting a diverse range of sporting events such as World BMX, World Netball and Basketball championships and major tennis events including the Davis Cup and Hopman Cup. Requests for proposals would be developed by the Government's Stadium Steering Committee before being forwarded to the proponents in the first quarter of 2005. The Gallop Government wants the new stadium to be operational by 2007. Minister's office: 9222 8950 Auxodium December 7th, 2004, 03:23 AM The whole debacle over the lowering of the railway line in Northbridge annoys the hell out of me no end.. The PCC had some brilliant ideas but I fear the time has passed certainly for another ten years until CBD and Northbridge land prices make it more economically viable. Then I fear it will just turn out to be just office and residential, not the mixed use and civic plans that the council had i think that in 10 years time they will do what the PCC envisioned and make it even better. perthwa December 7th, 2004, 04:21 AM they really need to get of their arse and speed the process up, in a few months perth will have squat all, its a fucking embarsing joke, we need a venue now! why all the waiting, maybe a big pre election announcement, to try and make people forget all the crap thing they have done? but perth is going to have nowhere for big concerts and performances, thats going to be great for our cultural life, the eagles concert was poured on what a joke, we need a good purpose built venue, and we need it now, not all this piss farting around, they need to get building!!!! perthwa December 7th, 2004, 07:02 AM Outdoor venues in Perth more popular than ever! http://www.abc.net.au/perth/stories/m984794.jpg Outdoor Concerts have become increasingly popular in Perth - but why? Why is it that so many concerts in Perth are held outside, under the stars? Is it our climate, the atmosphere or simply a function of no appropriate indoor venues? On her first day on 720 Afternoons, Bernadette Young explores the reasons behind the use of outdoor venues in Perth. And it's not just music concerts. Increasingly people are turning to outdoor cinemas to see the latest films. Paul Gadenne is a local concert promoter. He says in some situations it's simply a function of "have to" since the demise of the Entertainment Centre. He says if the Centre had been functioning it would have been used for the recent Brian Wilson "Smile" concert and probably the Elvis Costello concert as well. He does say however that our dry climate allows a greater opportunity for outdoor venues. He says there is a cost associated with it as concert organisers have to put in place the infrastructure to support the concert and of course there is a huge insurance payout as well as you need to insure against inclement weather. Paul talks about some of the venues in Perth he has worked in like Subiaco Oval - one of the earlier preferred venues - right back to the 1950s with Nat King Cole. Since that time we've used East Fremantle Oval for Pink Floyd, the Rolling Stones went to Perry Lakes Stadium recently, and of course Beatty Park Swimming Pool and the WACA Ground (also was host to the Rolling Stones). Paul's favourite outdoor concert event was a toss up between Paul McCartney at Subiaco Oval and the Rolling Stones 1973 tour at the WACA Ground when they were at the top of their game... The boys ran out onto the wicket with cricket bats because Mick Jaggar wanted to say that he had! perthwa December 14th, 2004, 11:05 AM an old vison for pec site http://www.crawford.com.au/projects/Northbridge%20Precinct/tower350.jpg http://www.crawford.com.au/projects/Northbridge%20Precinct/se-h350.jpg http://www.crawford.com.au/projects/Northbridge%20Precinct/Cover350.jpg http://www.crawford.com.au/projects/Northbridge%20Precinct/nw-566x268.jpg There is a large tract of urban land to the west of Perth's business district in the middle of the Northbridge entertainment precint that remains blighted despite its proximity to the City's nightlife area and vital urban core. The land is in the joint ownership of the State Government and national TV broadcaster, Channel 7. Crawford Architects was commissioned by Channel 7 to prepare a masterplan for the site's redevelopment as an innovative Media Technology Park. The Park would accommodate over 50,000 sqm of office space for 2,500 media and industry-related professionals in 5 separate buildings linked underneath at the parking levels. The existing Perth Entertainment Centre would be refurbished into a modern entertainment and sports arena for 10,000 spectators, while accommodating a 1,000-seat performance space. There would also be TV studios for Channel 7 and TV studio space for hire. mikeyraw December 14th, 2004, 11:15 AM That'd be so sweet. perthwa December 14th, 2004, 11:26 AM the city of perth are extending there bloody carpark, what a joke, a carpark on this prime site, pethetic, its against their own policy agains surface carpark, coming in on the train the site is embarasing, i want a nice ruban entry not a fucken carpark, well i guess the city of perth might as well make abit of money from the site until we get some action InMyTree December 15th, 2004, 02:49 AM Thankgod those old renders got canned. They are crap. They totally avoid the issue of the railway (two fly-overs do NOT integrate Perth and Northbridge!!). Its worth the wait (but NOT another 10 years) if they do it properly. What is wrong with this damn government/council??? perthguy78 December 15th, 2004, 03:17 AM why cant we have some giant plasma screens aroudn nthbridge and perth........ Dilaz89 May 15th, 2005, 02:14 PM Stadium construction moves a step closer Construction of a world-class multi-purpose indoor entertainment and sports stadium in Perth has moved a step closer with the State Government calling for proposals from the private sector. Housing and Works Minister Fran Logan said the Mirvac Fini/Royal Agricultural Society consortium and the Perth Arena Consortium had been invited to respond to a Request for Proposal to develop and operate a 12,000-seat, state-of-the-art, multi-purpose stadium on a site within 10km of the Perth GPO. "When we called for expressions of interest last year, the aim was to attract expertise to a project of considerable scale and the Government is greatly encouraged by the response," Mr Logan said. "The private sector has demonstrated its confidence in developing and operating a facility such as the multi-purpose stadium, no doubt due to the returns offered by the robust Western Australian economy." The proponents nominated three sites as being suitable for the proposed stadium. The Perth Arena Consortium, comprising Multiplex Group, Spotless Group, Burswood International Resort Casino, Cox Group and JVM (Jacobsen Venue Management), nominated sites at the Perth Entertainment Centre in Northbridge and the State Tennis Centre at Burswood. The Mirvac Fini/RAS submission (which includes sports architects HOK Sport + Venue + Event) nominated an area within the Claremont showgrounds. "A Request For Proposal is a significant step in a process which culminates in a preferred proponent being selected to develop and operate the stadium," the Minister said. "The stadium is a key plank in the State Government's commitment to address a shortage of major entertainment and sporting infrastructure. For too long WA has struggled to attract or retain major events because of a fundamental lack of a suitable venue. "The Gallop Government is determined to improve the quality of services to all Western Australians and this stadium will deliver a venue that can be used and enjoyed by everyone." The State Government will assist the development of the facility up to a value of $50million. The specifications brief called for a stadium with a high level of adaptability, capable of hosting large-scale live performances such as international concerts and dance spectaculars. The venue would need to be suitable to host a diverse range of sporting events such as World BMX, World Netball and Basketball championships and major tennis events, including Davis Cup and Hopman Cup. The Gallop Government wanted the new stadium completed in time to stage the 2008 Hopman Cup tennis tournament. Auxodium May 16th, 2005, 02:30 PM i still think the PEC should be redeveloped but i am in full support of a new venue. PEC is so central though and the 'burger' design is quite a landmark :) Dilaz89 May 16th, 2005, 02:33 PM pec locality would be good but pushed closer to the freweay or a better part of the site to open up northbridge and other development and linkages Auxodium May 16th, 2005, 02:34 PM well have a railways station there. and sink the rail to link Northbridge would be great. Dilaz89 May 16th, 2005, 02:37 PM woudl be noice if they could extened the new rail north with a small subway line runner into the dense inner northern suburbs with underground stations at say northbridge north perth etc... and really build up the areas around them and create new office areas for when the terrace sites run out real future planning, not jsut planning for the next election Dilaz89 June 1st, 2005, 11:44 AM Submissions for a world-class Multi-purpose Indoor Entertainment and Sports Stadium in Perth are currently being considered. The Department of Housing and Works is overseeing the project to develop and operate a 12,000-seat stadium on a site within 10km of the Perth GPO. Mirvac Fini/Royal Agricultural Society partnership and the Perth Arena Consortium submitted stadium designs based on three sites and would be asked for a Request for Proposals early next year. Perth Arena Consortium comprising Multiplex Group, Spotless Group, Burswood International Resort Casino, Cox Group and JVM (Jacobsen Venue Management), nominated sites at the Entertainment Centre in Northbridge and at Burswood. Mirvac Fini/RAS nominated a site within the Claremont showgrounds. The proposed stadium is a key to addressing a shortage of major entertainment and sporting infrastructure in Perth. State-of-the-art and suitable for hosting a diverse range of sporting events such as World BMX, World Netball and Basketball championships, major tennis events including Davis Cup and Hopman Cup, the new stadium would also be capable of hosting large-scale live performances such as international concerts and dance spectaculars. The State Government wants the new stadium to be operational by 2007. Dilaz89 June 1st, 2005, 11:46 AM http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/Burswood-Aerial..jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/EntCent-Site.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/EntCent-Concourse.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/EntCent-Ground.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/EntCent-Mezzanine.jpg mikeyraw June 1st, 2005, 11:48 AM I would prefer it on the Entertainment centre sight than on the state tennis centre, its so bare out there. Atleast The entertainment centre is keeping it central. It will be great when the linking of Northbridge and the CBD happens. Dilaz89 June 1st, 2005, 11:51 AM the perth entertainment centre is the only logical site imo, its the most central site and has all the infrastructure needed, putting it on another site would be crazy. all they need is better positioning on the site Ipggi June 1st, 2005, 04:12 PM I don't know about having a stadium smack centre in the CBD, specially in an area that is going to be promoted with linking the CBD with Northbridge due to the sinking of the rail. Statiums are only alive for a few hours a week and during the other times they are dead, grey and dull. Just think what the entertainment centre area used to be like even when it was open. It's not going to do anything for the city most of the time. And while crowds will leave and filter out at night after games, do you really need more post game drunkard yobbos roaming around Northbridge? The tennis centre isn't that remote, it's next to the casino, racecourse, rail, train, and near the new housing and apartment estates. That area needs more developement and it is coming. Though I can see your reasonings for wanting the statium centrally located to bring people into the city for pre and post game activities, make it more lively etc. I just fear if the entertainment centre gets replaced with a statium, that open air carpark next to it will never go :P Dilaz89 June 2nd, 2005, 05:25 AM But all the infrastructure is there AND if they do a good design, it wont look grey and dull. Also, drunken crowds ect.. only seem to come with footy and sometimes soccer and mayby a couple of bands ect... I don't think a 12,000 seat stadium will be hosting football or soccer so it seems fine. RocStar June 2nd, 2005, 06:37 AM The old ent centre is the best site. As you can see in the drawing the tracks start to reappear behind the centre so it wont affect the sinking at all, however I thought the original plan was to cover the tracks down that way with this plan?. If the stadium is built outside the CBD core it means most PT users will have to catch additional train/bus services to get to it.. (a turn off in using PT if u ask me) You can see all the new retail outlets already planned on the site and with so many apartments set to get built near by I can see it becoming an entertainment hub…Well I can dream. ninjamaster June 2nd, 2005, 10:03 AM Without a doubt the Entcent site is the way to go. Great locaiton and in a sense already established, even tho now mothballed! Especially with the sinking of rail and redo planned for that area! Sik!! Dilaz89 June 2nd, 2005, 11:16 AM needs to be near a traditional town centre with cafes restrautns and facilities, burswood has teh casino but not the main street area like subiaco oval etc. a big part of a complex is the pre and after activities, this city need thing just like this to attract people in Ipggi June 2nd, 2005, 04:48 PM So this is basically intended as a replacement for entertainment centre as well as the dome (which is meant to be knocked down?). Oh well I guess if it is built in the city it will give Perth a new venue for dance parties and wrestling :P Thats what they do with all the old Olympic sites down at Homebush, need to make money somehow I guess :P Citystyle June 2nd, 2005, 06:43 PM I think the PEC is the best site, like you guy's said it is a central location and with the rail sinking in the next 5 year's and new office and resi tower's going up it will be a awsome location. Dilaz89 July 19th, 2005, 10:59 AM Three proposals for indoor stadium 19/07/05 A consortium headed by the Multiplex Group has submitted three proposals to build a world-class multi-purpose indoor entertainment and sports stadium in the city. Housing and Works Minister Francis Logan said the proposals were currently being assessed and a decision would be made within six weeks. Two consortiums were chosen to submit proposals to develop and operate a 12,000-seat stadium within 10km of the Perth GPO. The second proponent, a Mirvac Fini/Royal Agricultural Society consortium, withdrew from the tender process in June. Mr Logan said the Perth Arena Consortium had nominated sites at the Entertainment Centre in the city, the State Tennis Centre at Burswood and the Northbridge Link site. The Minister said they had proposed a new stadium with a retractable roof to be built at either the Burswood or Northbridge site. The third option involved using the current Entertainment Centre as a skeleton for a new complex, which would also have a retractable roof and increased seating capacity. The Minister said the State Government had offered $50million to assist the private sector in developing a viable stadium business but this contribution was never intended to cover the full cost of construction or ongoing maintenance costs. "The consortium has indicated they would be looking for an increased financial commitment from the State Government for at least two of the proposals," the Minister said. "They have asked for in excess of $100million for the Burswood and Northbridge proposals. "That is twice as much as the State Government was prepared to offer. We would need a lot of convincing before we agreed to spend that much of taxpayers' money. "All options will be considered over the next six weeks. "We are determined to stick with our original timeframe, with construction to begin before the start of 2006." Mr Logan said the Northbridge Link site had not been included in previous negotiations with Multiplex. It is located at the western boundary of the existing carpark, which services the Perth Entertainment Centre. It is bounded by Wellington Street to the south, Mitchell Freeway off-ramp to the west, the rail line to the north and the carpark to the east. The site is Crown Reserve land currently leased to the Perth City Council. The Perth Arena Consortium also comprises the Burswood International Resort Casino, Arena Management, Ticketek, Cox Group, Connell Mott McDonald and Ralph Beattie Bosworth. Perth4life July 19th, 2005, 04:33 PM i saw on news. RocStar July 21st, 2005, 11:09 AM The most expensive option the one which stands out July 21, 2005 Some time in the next six weeks, the penny will drop for Housing and Works Minister Francis Logan on the best site for the new multi-purpose indoor stadium. When it does, the most expensive of the three stadium options - demolishing the Perth Entertainment Centre and building a new stadium next to it at an initial cost to the State Government of $102 million - might suddenly become the most attractive proposition. On paper, that option is twice as expensive as the $50 million it will cost the Government to refurbish the Entertainment Centre, which has been mothballed since Premier Geoff Gallop refused to buy it from Seven Network chairman Kerry Stokes three years ago. But there are significant financial and planning advantages in spending the extra $52 million to build a brand-new stadium which don't seem to have registered with Mr Logan yet. The bigger picture at play is the Northbridge Link project, where Planning and Infrastructure Minister Alannah Mac- Tiernan wants to create history by finally sinking, and partially covering, the railway which has divided Perth and Northbridge for more than a century. Building the new indoor stadium on government-owned land west of the Entertainment Centre has the potential to significantly enhance the Northbridge Link project. It will create a buffer to the Mitchell Freeway and enhance the value of the rest of the Northbridge Link land for commercial and residential development. Critically, it could also enable the East Perth Redevelopment Authority to demolish the redundant Entertainment Centre and absorb the site into its Northbridge Link master plan. The extent to which the increased value of that Northbridge Link land would offset the extra $52 million cost of building the stadium next to the Mitchell Freeway off-ramp is expected to be detailed in a report to Mr Logan before he decides the location of the new indoor stadium in six weeks. The figures behind the three options proposed by Multiplex and consortium partners Burswood and Jacobsen Venue Management explain why such indoor venues are built by governments and not private developers. Though the figures are confidential, The West Australian understands the refurbished Entertainment Centre option will cost a total of $51.5 million, leaving the developers to contribute just $1.5 million if the Government coughs up $50 million. The $51.1 million construction cost factors in about half the $25 million cost of buying the Entertainment Centre site from the Seven Network because some of the adjoining land would still be available to Multiplex for other development opportunities. On the Mitchell Freeway off-ramp site option, the Government has been asked for a $102 million contribution towards a stadium which will cost Multiplex and its partners $109 million to build. It will also cost $109 million for exactly the same stadium to be built on the Burswood site. However, Multiplex and its partners have only asked the Government to contribute $86.2 million towards that option. The difference is understood to relate to financial contributions which might be available from the Burswood Park Board, which pockets one per cent of the casino's winnings each year. The reason Multiplex and its partners want the Government to pay for such a big percentage of the overall construction cost is that operating such venues is a marginal business at best - which is why Mirvac Fini withdrew from the tender process. It is also why Seven mothballed the loss-making Entertainment Centre in 2002 and why Burswood wants to demolish the Dome once its Hopman Cup obligations end in 2007. In the case of the new stadium options, the figures look something like this. Running the new $109 million stadium option is estimated to generate a net profit of just $350,000 a year. For the smaller refurbished Entertainment Centre option, the profit is estimated to be $270,000 a year at best. Those profit figures have been calculated on the basis that the stadium will be used 60 days each year. Multiplex and its stadium partners will derive an income from four income streams: hiring out the venue to promoters, the ticketing rights, selling the naming rights to the new stadium and food and beverage operations. *Sounds good to me. Isn’t the State tennis centre site still close to the Burswood towers?. I mean they said they have to knock the Dome down because of noise levels and all ..so how close is the tennis centre?. If this stadium is built at the State tennis centre I guess we will have a world class tennis precinct but do we really need it? We will benefit much more on the site mentioned above by a long shot I think. RocStar July 21st, 2005, 11:14 AM ...Oh and I’m surprised the article wasn’t about the steep cost to tax payers :p …makes a change :) RocStar July 24th, 2005, 06:12 AM A poll in The West favours the Northbridge link site and there’s a call to increase the capacity from 12 000 to 15 000…good news. RocStar July 24th, 2005, 06:31 AM From the Sunday Times Stadium costing `a joke' By PETER LAW 24jul05 MEMBERS of the entertainment industry say the State Government would have to spend at least $200 million – four times what it has promised – to build a 12,000-plus seat capacity multi-purpose indoor stadium in Perth. They say the Government's current contribution of $50 million is a joke, and Multiplex's claim that it will cost a little over $109 million to build a new 12,500-seat stadium in Northbridge is unrealistic. WA Events Industry Association president Camille Bradsmith, who sits on the stadium's design evaluation committee, said the proposed 12,000-seat capacity was too small and should be increased to 15,000. Ms Bradsmith said the new stadium should be similar to the Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne. "The Rod Laver Arena has been a very successful venue in Melbourne and we should really be looking at something in that design to suit our needs in WA," she said. The arena is the home of the Australian Open and seats 16,000. It cost $94 million to build in 1987. Subiaco Oval general manager Shane Walsh, who was the event manager at Rod Laver Arena from 1988 to 1993, said a similar stadium would cost two to three times as much to build than 18 years ago. Soaring building costs and inflation would mean a 16,000-seat arena would cost more than $250 million to build today, he said. Mr Walsh also said $100 million would buy only a 4000-seat stadium. By comparison, the 12,500-seat capacity Sydney Entertainment Centre cost $42 million in 1983. Sydney's Superdome, which seats up to 20,000, cost $197 million in 1998. Ms Bradsmith questioned what $102 million could buy. "It cost $94 million to build a 16,000-seat venue almost 20 years ago, so we are concerned what $102 million could build now, considering inflation and building costs would have increased dramatically since 1987," she said. "I just can't see how it all adds up." Housing and Works Minister Fran Logan said he would discuss with Cabinet the options available and the costs of each proposal. He said he would not be asking for more money, as reported in another newspaper. A spokesman for Mr Logan said the Government would discuss the matter, including costs, this week, but it was Multiplex that proposed the $102 million figure, not the Government. Mr Walsh said Rod Laver Arena had a capacity of 16,000, which was reduced to 12,500 for concerts. "In Perth, to get a venue of 12,500 you would need a capacity of 15,000 or 16,000 in total," he said. "If they go with a capacity of 12,500 and there are only 10,000 useable seats, then the acts just won't come – or they'll jack up the ticket prices to $200." dallas July 24th, 2005, 11:38 AM Is it me, or do others have the same opinion that the Labor goverment of WA is completely fucking useless when it comes to anything to do with infrastructure and venues? Unless of course it's the Mandurah railway, which they are clinging on to tooth and nail, so that they can say "Look what we did!" Just goes to show what wankers the other side must have been for Labor to get voted back in! Ipggi July 24th, 2005, 12:11 PM The whole stadium thing is a big problem .. its just not viable for private enterprise but it is much needed for Perth. But unfortunately it can also be a major sink hole for tax payers money and no one wants a 1/4 of a billion dollar white elephant. The Sydney superdome at Olympic Park for example went into receivership after three years of losses totalling $10.5 million and management had to be taken over by the NSW state government. So I am sure the WA state government is very cautious atm when it comes to this kind of investment. Citystyle July 24th, 2005, 12:11 PM I personally like the idea of the new center going into burswood as it will be perths new center as far as events both sporting and entertianment. I would like a 15,000 seat staduim though. Dilaz89 July 24th, 2005, 02:09 PM i voted for the link site in the west pole:D. i highly doubt this will be a white elephant. RocStar August 11th, 2005, 06:22 AM Still no decision has been made ..should be soon though....Latest info & pix>> Three proposals were received from Perth Arena Consortium at the July 14 closing date. The specifications called for submissions to develop and operate a world-class multi-purpose stadium having a minimum seating capacity of 12,000 on a site within 10km of the Perth GPO. The sites nominated by Perth Arena Consortium are the Entertainment Centre in Northbridge, the State Tennis Centre at Burswood and Northbridge Link site in Northbridge. The proposals from Perth Arena Consortium included a facility at Northbridge Link which was an identical design to that proposed for the State Tennis Centre site. The Northbridge Link site is located at the western boundary of the existing carpark servicing the Perth Entertainment Centre Perth Arena Consortium comprises Multiplex Group, Burswood International Resort Casino, Arena Management, Ticketek, Cox Group, Connell Mott McDonald and Ralph Beattie Bosworth. The Department is giving priority to assessing the highly complex tender documents over forthcoming weeks. One of the three proposals requires a taxpayer-funded contribution of $102million, double the amount previously offered by the State Government to assist the private sector in developing a viable stadium business. The proposed stadium is regarded as key infrastructure to address a shortage of major indoor entertainment and sporting infrastructure in Perth. It would be suitable for hosting a diverse range of sporting events such as World BMX, World Netball and Basketball championships, major tennis events including Davis Cup and Hopman Cup. The new stadium would also be capable of hosting large-scale live performances such as international concerts and dance spectaculars. It is intended that the new stadium would be operational by 2008. http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium1.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium2.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium5.jpg ^Northbridge link site with apartments replacing the old ent site. http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium4.jpg ^This looks like what the old ent cent would look like refurbished. http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium3.jpg :dance: Its going to be sad when the old ent cent is (if) going to be demolished. I saw heaps of bands there. One that sticks out is when I went to the Eurythmics concert way back. I was like 3 rows from the front and I held up this sign telling Annie Lennox to strip lol. Apparently she striped to her bra in a previous concert somewhere which was rare for her to do. I though I’ll give her some inspiration to do the same here. Things didn’t go quite to plan lol. She gave me this huge dirty look, mimed the words f#*k off at me and nodded to a bouncer to get me. I wasn’t kicked out, he just took the sign. The next day on the 96fm input line, a caller regarding that concert said, if looks could kill Annie Lennox would be up for murder lol. I was a huge fan of the Eurythmics back then but now that I think about it, why/who would wanna see her rack lol. …sorry to get of the topic:D Dilaz89 August 11th, 2005, 11:00 AM Burswood Dome to play on The State Government has secured a commitment from Burswood International Resort Casino and Mirvac Fini that will see up to 10 concerts per year held at the Burswood Dome until December 2007. A separate agreement with Burswood will ensure the future of the Hopman Cup in Western Australia. Tourism Minister Mark McGowan said he was delighted with the outcome and thanked Burswood and Mirvac Fini for their co-operation. "We have been working very hard to secure an agreement from all parties on these matters," Mr McGowan said. "The commitment by Burswood and Mirvac Fini is fantastic news and means Western Australians can continue to enjoy both the Hopman Cup and big-name concerts while we move ahead with constructing the multipurpose stadium." Chief executive officer Burswood International Resort Casino David Courtney said under the agreement a maximum of 10 evening concerts would be held each calendar year until December 2007, finishing no later than 10.30pm. "As each resident in the nearby homes commences occupancy, they will be offered two 'A' Reserve tickets for one performance of each concert event," Mr Courtney said. "Burswood has also committed to put in place a parking management strategy to ensure minimal disruption to residents during each evening concert. "A number of promoters have already expressed an interest in bringing high-profile artists to Perth. "The first concert to be staged under this new agreement will be the Black Eyed Peas, who will be performing at the Dome on September 28." Mr McGowan said Burswood had provided the Government with a commitment to make the Dome available for the Hopman Cup until 2008, in the event that an alternative venue was not available. "The Hopman Cup showcases WA to the world and provides a boost to our economy," he said. "It is a very successful event and brings in about $8.50 for every $1 we spend. "The economic activity generated by events like this help create jobs and opportunities for locals." Auxodium August 11th, 2005, 02:35 PM Is it me, or do others have the same opinion that the Labor goverment of WA is completely fucking useless when it comes to anything to do with infrastructure and venues? Unless of course it's the Mandurah railway, which they are clinging on to tooth and nail, so that they can say "Look what we did!" Just goes to show what wankers the other side must have been for Labor to get voted back in! err no i think it is you :P no the site in general has been a bit of a dud but now that we have a larger population than even 10 years ago i think we can sustain the use of a new stadium in Northbridge. (in my plan Northbridge stadium is next to the PEC site) Dilaz89 September 10th, 2005, 03:58 AM Indoor stadium plans scrapped MARK DRUMMOND and GRAHAM MASON The State Government has gone back to the drawing board on Perth's new 12,000 seat multi-purpose indoor stadium, abandoning a long planning process and three Multiplex designs. Instead, the Government is poised to announce next week it will invite architects to participate in a fresh design competition, which could further delay the completion date and blow out the cost. With the Burswood Dome earmarked for demolition in 2008 and the Perth Entertainment Centre mothballed, the new indoor stadium is critical to Perth's chances of staying on the international concert circuit and retaining sports events like the Hopman Cup. Housing and Works Minister Fran Logan had been considering three options for the new stadium submitted by construction giant Multiplex and was expected to announce the preferred site next week. However, it is understood he will recommend that process will be scrapped in favour of the new design contest. While it is not clear what caused the Government's change of heart, it is known that the East Perth Redevelopment Authority had expressed concern about the site favoured by Mr Logan at the Mitchell Freeway end of the Entertainment Centre. EPRA claimed it would lose revenue because of the loss of possible residential redevelopment on the Northbridge Link site. It nominated other metropolitan site preferences, including The Sunday Times site on Stirling Street which it believed could be available. Other locations put forward by Multiplex were a site next to the State Tennis Centre at Burswood and redeveloping the Entertainment Centre. A source suggested last night that the Government had been spooked by only having one tenderer, Multiplex. The company and the Government have been haggling over the cost of the venture with the Government originally indicating it would only contribute $50 million over 20 years to the project. But Multiplex had indicated the cost to the Government would be up to $102 million. By reopening the tender process, the Government, already under pressure to deliver on its multi-billion dollar infrastructure program, risks another cost blow out. Sources in the entertainment industry are said to be delighted that the Government has gone back to square one as the three Multiplex designs were limited. They hope that the backflip will not delay the building of a stadium but conceded that if it meant Perth was getting the right stadium and not a shed, then any delay would be worthwhile. Multiplex was left as the only tenderer for the stadium project after Mirvac Fini pulled out of the race in June, saying the $50 million contribution was not enough. Citystyle September 10th, 2005, 07:12 AM Do the northbridge links site with a new center that would rock. dallas September 10th, 2005, 12:10 PM I'll still bet money on the Labor party completely screwing the whole thing up. Gallop and co couldn't organize an orgy in brothel! Citystyle September 10th, 2005, 05:43 PM No the pressure is huge and if they give us some shit they will probably change there mind. Citystyle September 10th, 2005, 05:45 PM No the pressure is huge and if they give us some shit they will probably change there mind. They had a awsome vision for a new AFL/Cricket stadium and the others refised to be involved and the whole thing died within days. Dilaz89 September 12th, 2005, 10:50 AM State to build new world-class stadium 12/09/05 Perth's proposed new multi-purpose indoor stadium will be built, funded and owned by the State Government at an estimated cost of $160million. Premier Geoff Gallop said work would begin immediately on finding an architect to design the state-of-the-art stadium, which would have a concert capacity of about 14,000 people. The stadium would have a retractable roof, to ensure the future of the Hopman Cup in Perth, with the preferred site for the facility being the Northbridge Link on Wellington Street. Dr Gallop said the State Government had decided to design and build the new facility itself after an unsuccessful bid to involve the private sector in the development of the project. "The proposals put forward by the private sector failed to meet all of the design and financial criteria," he said. "Therefore, the State will fully fund construction of the facility and in return will assume the greater control of the design and construction process to ensure the needs of both industry and the State are met." The Premier said the Northbridge Link site was the Government's preferred option because it had the support of council, planners, the community and the entertainment, tourism and sporting sectors. It would also help revitalise the area. "We are open to feasible alternatives only if they are suitable in respect to cost, location and do not lead to time delays," Dr Gallop said. Housing and Works Minister Francis Logan said preliminary estimates had indicated that the cost of the project would be about $160million. Mr Logan said advertisements would be placed in State and national newspapers this week, announcing a design competition from which a team of architects would be chosen. The successful architect would be appointed by November. "We expect construction to begin about October next year and take about two years to complete," the Minister said. "This has extended the construction timetable beyond what we originally envisaged - but the Government wants to get it right. "The entertainment industry has indicated this will not be a major problem, especially since the end result will be a stadium of which we can all be proud." Dr Gallop said the new facility would deliver widespread economic benefits to the State. "The ability to attract world-class performers and international sporting events will create opportunities for increased tourism activities and greater exposure for WA, both nationally and internationally," he said. "The new stadium will also deliver more jobs for Western Australians. During construction it will provide employment for an estimated 250 people, and when in operation will employ 25 full-time and 120 casual employees." The Premier also noted that significant employment opportunities would be created in associated industries. "Western Australian companies will be engaged to support the operation of the new venue - from food and beverage suppliers to event managers and technical personnel," he said. The world-class facility will also incorporate a retractable roof to allow the Hopman Cup to continue in Perth, and is expected to include a state-of-the-art technology to allow maximum flexibility, an adaptable performance floor, and VIP areas. The new facility will be completed in time for the 2009 Hopman Cup. Citystyle September 12th, 2005, 01:08 PM Best outcome possible bar the capacity that is a bit low. Citystyle September 12th, 2005, 01:10 PM Stadium construction moves a step closer Saturday, 16 April 2005 Construction of a world-class multi-purpose indoor entertainment and sports stadium in Perth has moved a step closer with the State Government calling for proposals from the private sector. Housing and Works Minister Fran Logan said the Mirvac Fini/Royal Agricultural Society consortium and the Perth Arena Consortium had been invited to respond to a Request for Proposal to develop and operate a 12,000-seat, state-of-the-art, multi-purpose stadium on a site within 10km of the Perth GPO. "When we called for expressions of interest last year, the aim was to attract expertise to a project of considerable scale and the Government is greatly encouraged by the response," Mr Logan said. "The private sector has demonstrated its confidence in developing and operating a facility such as the multi-purpose stadium, no doubt due to the returns offered by the robust Western Australian economy." The proponents nominated three sites as being suitable for the proposed stadium. The Perth Arena Consortium, comprising Multiplex Group, Spotless Group, Burswood International Resort Casino, Cox Group and JVM (Jacobsen Venue Management), nominated sites at the Perth Entertainment Centre in Northbridge and the State Tennis Centre at Burswood. The Mirvac Fini/RAS submission (which includes sports architects HOK Sport + Venue + Event) nominated an area within the Claremont showgrounds. "A Request For Proposal is a significant step in a process which culminates in a preferred proponent being selected to develop and operate the stadium," the Minister said. "The stadium is a key plank in the State Government's commitment to address a shortage of major entertainment and sporting infrastructure. For too long WA has struggled to attract or retain major events because of a fundamental lack of a suitable venue. "The Gallop Government is determined to improve the quality of services to all Western Australians and this stadium will deliver a venue that can be used and enjoyed by everyone." The State Government will assist the development of the facility up to a value of $50million. The specifications brief called for a stadium with a high level of adaptability, capable of hosting large-scale live performances such as international concerts and dance spectaculars. The venue would need to be suitable to host a diverse range of sporting events such as World BMX, World Netball and Basketball championships and major tennis events, including Davis Cup and Hopman Cup. The Gallop Government wanted the new stadium completed in time to stage the 2008 Hopman Cup tennis tournament. Citystyle September 12th, 2005, 01:12 PM fuck sorry old story and i dont have edite post anymore god damn it. Ignore. RocStar September 13th, 2005, 07:16 AM ^^ try reading the article first before you post it. This from today's West State to pay for $160m stadium GRAHAM MASON and MARK DRUMMOND The Gallop Government will spend $160 million building a new indoor stadium - more than three times the amount originally committed to the project - and take on the risk of running the venue under a radical revision of the project unveiled yesterday. As revealed by The West Australian on Saturday, the Government has rejected three stadium proposals offered by Multiplex and will instead go it alone on a 14,000-seat venue at the Northbridge Link site at the Mitchell Freeway end of the Perth Entertainment Centre. In July, the State Government offered just $50 million as an incentive to build the stadium and baulked when Multiplex later asked for up to $102 million to deliver the venue. But, in a major change of heart, Geoff Gallop revealed yesterday that taxpayers would fund the new venue at an estimated cost of $160 million. The Government's fresh proposal will also see taxpayers inherit the financial risk of running the venue on a day-to-day basis. Under the original Multiplex plan, the construction giant would have taken this risk. The Premier expected the stadium would be ready to host the 2009 Hopman Cup tennis tournament. Hopman Cup chief executive Rick Williams applauded the decision to spend $160 million on a stadium with a retractable roof, but was concerned about the construction deadlines. The Northbridge Link site is the preferred location, but the Government is open to options. Yesterday, Dr Gallop said the original private process had not produced the results the Government had hoped for in terms of design, timing and certainty of costs. "By taking it under control of the Government, we can guarantee that we'll get that world-class indoor stadium for Perth," he said. "Whereas if it had of gone out to the private sector . . . we're not sure we would have got that result." However, Multiplex spokesman Charlie Robertson said the Government's change of heart defied logic. "I don't see how they can claim this is a great thing for anyone," he said. Under the revised plan, a national design competition will be launched this week with the successful architect appointed in November. Events Industry Association president Camille Bradsmith said her organisation was delighted because the previous options didn't deliver what the industry had asked for. However, promoter Michael Jacobsen, whose company Arena Management is a joint venture partner with Multiplex, was stunned. "I have never encountered a tender process where this has happened," Mr Jacobsen said. Opposition Leader Matt Birney said the bungled process showed the Government were hopeless managers. Ipggi September 13th, 2005, 01:51 PM It is very interesting to read the different prespectives by the various news papers. The West seems to be iffy about the idea. The Sunday Times seems to be over-hyping it and then The Australian portrayed it more as another failing on Multiplex's behalf .. WA to get world-class stadium 13sep05 WESTERN Australia is to get a new world-class stadium. The facility will be built, funded and owned by the state government. Premier Geoff Gallop said work on the multi-purpose indoor stadium will begin as soon as an architect is found and a design completed. The stadium will have a concert capacity of about 14,000 people. And it will have a retractable roof, to ensure the future of the Hopman Cup tennis in Perth. Dr Gallop says the preferred site for the facility is the Northbridge Link on Wellington Street, in Perth's CBD. Housing and Works Minister Francis Logan says preliminary estimates put the cost at $160 million. http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,16586475%255E2761,00.html Multiplex suffers a hometown blow Mark Dodd September 13, 2005 TROUBLED construction company Multiplex has suffered another blow, losing the chance to build Perth's new multi-purpose indoor stadium after asking too much in subsidies from the Gallop Government. Perth's proposed new multi-purpose indoor stadium will now be built, funded and owned by the state Government at an estimated cost of $160 million. Premier Geoff Gallop yesterday said a national design competition would be run to find an architect to design the 14,000-seat stadium. He expressed disappointment at the failure of Multiplex to deliver on expectations. "As you know, we went out to the marketplace in an effort to get the private sector to take on the option of a build, own and operated multi-purpose stadium for Perth," Dr Gallop said. "Unfortunately, that process has not produced the results that we would have liked to have seen. And we've determined now to go down the government route." He said the Government decided to scrap its partnership proposal after Multiplex sought a bigger government subsidy than the $50 million offered. "The proposals put forward by the private sector failed to meet all of the design and financial criteria," he said. The decision is another blow to the fortunes of the Perth-based company that calls itself "the well-built Australian". A company spokesman yesterday questioned the Government's timetable for the completion of its new stadium proposal and expressed dismay at the announcement. "We (Multiplex) are very disappointed with the Government's decision and that they have chosen not to accept the report of the company's independent quantity surveyor," he told The Australian. Multiplex has had almost $2billion wiped off its value this year over a trouble-plagued $1.2billion redevelopment of London's famed Wembley Stadium. Cost overruns and contractual problems have resulted in three profit downgrades that have almost halved the embattled company's share price. In going back to the drawing board, the Gallop Government expects a new stadium will be built by November 2008. It will feature a retractable roof: a prerequisite for the hosting of tennis's Hopman Cup and a drawcard for international musical acts. Dr Gallop said no decision had been made on whether the Government would retain ownership of the facility or lease it out to private management. Construction was expected to start by October next year, providing employment for up to 250 people with significant spinoffs to other industries. Under the new proposal, the state Government will pay for construction of the stadium. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16581515%255E25658,00.html Scraperfan September 13th, 2005, 02:15 PM I initially welcomed this news however I have recently wondered why the state doesnt now give 160 million to multiplex and ask multiplex to contribute their existing commitment of investment funds so we could then build a 25 000 seat stadium with more features. As Perth grows eventually this 14 000 seater will be too small so why dont they just get together on this to build it bigger? And if there is 160 million of taxpayers money going to this and around a million taxpayers in the state, does this then entitle each taxpaying citizen of WA to a complimentary $160 ticket? I mean thats essentially what each of us will be paying. dallas September 13th, 2005, 06:26 PM Errr yeah I was right I think re: my earlier post about is it me or is Labor absolutely crap when it comes to this sort of thing. Yeah....they're crap! Geoff Gallop and Labor are WA's answer to the John Kerry flip flop. Ipggi September 14th, 2005, 12:12 AM Well couldnt you say that about essentially anything the government invests in. It would be like if the government decided to extend the freeway or rail down south and the people up north in Joondalup etc saying why do we have to contribute to this? Anyway things like corporate boxes, stadium memberships, etc mean that its not exactly $160 per Perth person. I don't think 14,000 is too small either. Melbourne's multipurpose stadium, Rod Laver Area holds 15,000. The Sydney Entertainment centre has 10,500 while the Sydney Superdome way out in homebush has 10,000. Brisbane entertainment centre has 13,500. You have to remember what kinds of events these stadiums attract anyway .. Music concerts, netball/basketball, wrestling, indoor extreme sports (motorcross etc.), dance parties, and conferences. But really they are used more for entertainment then sporting events. And most artists and events who could sell out more then 14k tickets would probably want to do the event outdoors anyway. waz September 15th, 2005, 07:40 AM Small correction, the Superdome in Sydney is more like 22500, depending on the event. I think its minimum capacity is 18,000 ie for a motorcross event Ipggi September 15th, 2005, 10:49 AM Small correction, the Superdome in Sydney is more like 22500, depending on the event. I think its minimum capacity is 18,000 ie for a motorcross event My mistake, according to the official superdome website it varies depending on the use like you said .. they say 18,000 for a basketball setup .. which is maxium stated seating i guess though you could fit more tempary seats for wrestling or something I assume. Citystyle September 15th, 2005, 01:31 PM Well the same could go for perth, but basketball is held at the waios. A privatly owned center is not vaible for WA if anywere in australia. Perth4life3 September 15th, 2005, 01:38 PM yer but they'd move it to this new stadium lol. whats with your signature (btw visit my website www.pattystrainpics.fotopic.net) Dilaz89 September 21st, 2005, 06:25 AM State plays hard ball 22-September-05 Written by Marsha Jacobs ON THE BENCH: The former Entertainment Centre site was named by a Multiplex-led consortium as one of three locations for a new indoor stadium to be built under the state’s Public Private Partnership policy. The State Government will instead build the stad As footy fans ratchet the excitement up a notch ahead of the weekend’s AFL grand final the State Government has brought sport to the forefront of the political debate with a renewed focus on Perth’s sport facilities. Last week’s surprise announcement that the Government would build, fund and own an indoor sports stadium follows an extensive, but ultimately failed, process involving the private sector. The intention was for the multi-purpose indoor stadium to be built under the State Government’s Public Private Partnership (PPP) policy, announced in 2002. Only one PPP has been realised since the announcement of that policy – the new $142 million CBD courts complex. Mutiplex and Mirvac Fini originally submitted proposals for the new stadium, with Mirvac Fini subsequently withdrawing from the tender process in June this year. Multiplex then said double the $50 million contribution originally offered by the State Government was needed to construct the stadium. Less than two months later, Treasurer Eric Ripper announced that proposals put forward by the private sector had failed to meet all of the design and financial criteria, and that the Government would be building its own $160 million, 14,000 seat stadium on the Northbridge Link site on Wellington Street. Arena Management, a partner in the Multiplex-led consortium, criticised the tender process as “unprofessional, misleading and costly”. Arena’s chief executive officer, Michael Jacobsen, said the lack of explanation given for the decision suggested the process was little more than a “fact finding” expedition for the Government, allowing it to accumulate the financial and architectural intellectual property necessary to build the stadium itself. “Consortium members spent many months preparing financial, technical and marketing information in support of our bid, with final recommendations submitted as late as last week,” Mr Jacobsen said. “In our more than 40 years of managing venues and dealing with governments, Arena Management has not seen a tender process as misleading and unprofessional as this one.” He said it reflected poorly on the Government if it could not make a PPP work due to a lack of understanding of private enterprise. Multiplex also lost out on the Perry Lakes development. In March the Town of Cambridge announced Multiplex as preferred tenderer for the construction of a new stadium and residential development, but later announced the town would be developing the facilities itself. But last week the State Government announced it would take over the Perry Lakes redevelopment, fast tracking legislation to enable the resumption and subsequent development of land. Other Perth sporting facilities to receive a facelift include Members Equity Stadium ($25 million), set to be home for the Western Force Super 14 rugby team. A stadium task force was also established last month to consider whether Perth needs a new $400 million outdoor venue, or whether upgrading of Subiaco Oval or the WACA Ground would be sufficient. WA Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief John Langoulant is heading the taskforce, which will determine Perth’s outdoor stadium requirements for the next 20 years. Auxodium September 22nd, 2005, 03:29 AM well i am glad they are going to put 160 million instead of 50, an extra 110 could go a long way in making a great stadium for the tennis, basketball and concerts. :) yeah, go the retractable roof! :D :cheers: RocStar November 9th, 2005, 04:41 PM Leading architect wins contract for stadium design 9/11/05 A consortium of leading architects has been awarded the contract to design Perth's new world-class multi-purpose indoor entertainment and sports stadium. The decision follows a comprehensive two-stage selection process by an evaluation panel that included Government Architect, Professor Geoffrey London. Housing and Works Minister Francis Logan said the successful consortium comprised Melbourne-based Ashton Raggatt McDougall (ARM), the American firm RTKL and local firm Cameron Chisholm and Nicol (CCN). Mr Logan said the successful consortium was chosen because it involved individual firms with extensive experience, significant design awards, substantial resources and a proven ability to fast-track projects to completion within a specified time frame. ARM had demonstrated a capacity to design innovative public buildings, including the National Museum of Australia in Canberra and the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne. RTKL's international consultant Ron Turner had worldwide experience in entertainment arena design. Mr Turner designed the Staples Center in California, the home stadium for the NBA's Los Angeles Lakers and the Los Angeles Clippers, the AFL's Los Angeles Avengers and the NHL's Los Angeles Kings. It was also the venue of the 2000 Democratic National Convention, the 2002 US Figure Skating Championship and four Grammy Awards shows. The consultant was also responsible for the 40,000-seat Saitama Super Arena in Tokyo, the 67,000-seat Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati in Ohio, the 20,000-seat multi-purpose Gund Arena in Cleveland in Ohio and the 47,000-seat Safeco Field (including a retractable roof) in Seattle, Washington. "Mr Turner's knowledge and expertise in this area will make him a valuable asset for a project of such magnitude," Mr Logan said. Nine consortiums bid for the design contract and four proponents were short-listed. The Minister said he was impressed with the level of effort and commitment shown by all short-listed consortiums. He said the winning consortium, recognised for unique design solutions, was capable of delivering a design of national standing as specified by the State Government and would draw on a considerable body of knowledge in the development of an appropriate urban strategy for the site. Preliminary design work would begin immediately on the new 14,000-seat stadium, which was set to include state-of-the-art technology to allow maximum flexibility for events, an adaptable performance floor and corporate areas. "The new stadium will be built, fully funded and wholly-owned by Western Australians," the Minister said. "Based on similar venues in the Eastern States, the cost is expected to be in the order of $160million." Mr Logan said the project would be managed by the Department of Housing and Works, to oversee the design and construction processes and to ensure the requirements of industry and the State were met. The Northbridge Link site was still the Government's preferred option. "The ability to attract world-class performers and international sporting events was a prerequisite to creating opportunities for increased tourism activities and greater exposure for WA on the national and international stages," the Minister said. "The new stadium will provide WA companies with opportunities to be engaged in the operation of the new venue, from food and beverage suppliers to event managers and technical personnel. "This is a project which is certain to help revitalise the area, as many stadium patrons will remain in Perth for after-hours dining and refreshment." :cheers: The State Government has opted for a retractable roof, thus giving the organisers of the Hopman Cup every reason to continue staging the tournament in Perth. Work on the new facility will commence next year, with the project scheduled for completion before the 2009 Hopman Cup. *Also shops and stuff will be integrated within the complex. It sounds like the government wants something really special here. This government seems to be on the same page as us somewhat eh. RocStar November 9th, 2005, 06:04 PM I initially welcomed this news however I have recently wondered why the state doesnt now give 160 million to multiplex and ask multiplex to contribute their existing commitment of investment funds so we could then build a 25 000 seat stadium with more features. As Perth grows eventually this 14 000 seater will be too small so why dont they just get together on this to build it bigger? And if there is 160 million of taxpayers money going to this and around a million taxpayers in the state, does this then entitle each taxpaying citizen of WA to a complimentary $160 ticket? I mean thats essentially what each of us will be paying. Well the Burswood dome can fit 20,000 but no body likes it there for concerts, probably more to do with the acoustics and large floor space. I never have been to a concert there however, but many at the Entertainment centre. With 8000 pax there, I always loved the atmosphere, intimacy of the place. Hopefully the new centre will have the same feel. Auxodium November 12th, 2005, 05:34 PM it should be in northbridge and i hope the government stick to their guns and put it there. Burswood is very close to the CBD, yet it is removed from it. Odd i know but i think it all comes down to the river being such a barrier to the whole simple access to the area. I hope i am proven wrong. Perth4life3 November 13th, 2005, 05:00 AM anyone read the article in the paper yesterday making subi to 54,000? expanding by 11,000 seats? chrisaus. November 14th, 2005, 09:51 AM High profile consortium wins contract for stadium design Perth's new world-class multi-purpose indoor entertainment and sports stadium at the Northbridge link site will be designed by a consortium of leading architects. The decision follows a comprehensive two-stage selection process by an evaluation panel comprising senior executives of the Department of Housing and Works, an independent private architect and the Government Architect, Professor Geoffrey London. The successful consortium is made up of Melbourne-based Ashton Raggatt McDougall (ARM), the American firm RTKL and local Perth firm Cameron Chisholm and Nicol (CCN). The new state-of-the-art stadium will be built, fully funded and wholly-owned by Western Australians. Based on similar venues in the eastern states, it is estimated to cost in the order of $160million. The consortium members were appointed because of their extensive experience, significant design awards, substantial resources and a proven ability to fast-track projects and bring them to completion within a specified time frame. Housing and Works Minister Francis Logan said he was impressed with the level of effort and commitment shown by all four short-listed proponents. “The successful consortium, recognised for unique design solutions, is capable of delivering a design of national standing as specified by Government and will draw on a considerable body of experience,” he said. The consortium would take advice from international consultant Ron Turner (RTKL), who has world-wide experience in entertainment arena design, specialising in functionality aspects. Mr Turner's designs include the acclaimed Staples Centre stadium in California for the NBA's Los Angeles Lakers and the Los Angeles Clippers and he was responsible for the 40,000-seat Saitama Super Arena in Tokyo. His other projects in the USA include the 67,000-seat Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, Ohio, the 20,000-seat multi-purpose Gund Arena in Cleveland, Ohio and the 47,000-seat Safeco Field (including a retractable roof) in Seattle, Washington. “Mr Turner's knowledge and expertise in this area make him an asset to have on a project of such magnitude,” said Mr Logan. Preliminary design work on the new 14,000-seat stadium will start immediately. The new stadium will come complete with a retractable roof, the latest technology to allow maximum flexibility for events, an adaptable performance floor and corporate areas. The project will be managed by the Department of Housing and Works to oversee design and construction processes and ensure the requirements of industry and the State are met. “The Northbridge Link site is the Government's preferred option because it is centrally located, has the support of Perth City Council, town planners, the community as well as the entertainment, tourism and sporting sectors,” Mr Logan said. The ability to attract world-class performers and international sporting events is imperative to creating opportunities for increased tourism activities and cultivate positive exposure for WA on the national and international stages. The new stadium will provide Western Australian companies with opportunities in the operation of the new venue, from food and beverage suppliers to event managers and technical personnel. When it is completed, the stadium will be the catalyst for revitalising the area as many patrons will remain in Perth for after-hours dining and refreshments. Work on the new facility will commence next year. The project is scheduled for completion well in advance of the 2009 Hopman Cup Ipggi November 14th, 2005, 11:00 AM it should be in northbridge and i hope the government stick to their guns and put it there. Burswood is very close to the CBD, yet it is removed from it. Odd i know but i think it all comes down to the river being such a barrier to the whole simple access to the area. I hope i am proven wrong. Its the same as like North Sydney. It just over the habour bridge but it feels miles away and most people south of the bridge dont willingly bother going there for entertainment etc because it feels out of the way. Even though its not really, its the same with Burswood. chrisaus. November 14th, 2005, 11:03 AM plus the cbd is crying out for it, this sort of infrastructure is just what the cbd needs, ie something to bring in people outside the traditional office hours and diversify the cbd Citystyle November 14th, 2005, 11:31 AM Agreed, they should put it at the link's site, it's clear that EPRC and PCC want it there so the government may have to agree, i hope so. chrisaus. November 14th, 2005, 11:32 AM i hope they put a train station there. before there was a fitzgerald street station in the plan. lets hope that is reborn to serve the stadium and the new developments plus western cbd and northbridge. Auxodium November 18th, 2005, 06:12 AM i hope they put a train station there. before there was a fitzgerald street station in the plan. lets hope that is reborn to serve the stadium and the new developments plus western cbd and northbridge. well i hope so as it will be a rapid stop for Fremantle and Joondalup line passengers and is more direct to get to the venue for tourist purposes. Scraperfan January 11th, 2006, 04:54 AM This thread needs to be renamed to distinguish between this proposal (12 000 seats) and the new proposal for the 55 000 seat stadium. I think this one is called "Perth Arena". RocStar January 11th, 2006, 03:09 PM It might be easier to add ‘Indoor’ and the other ‘Outdoor’ even though this one has a retractable roof. Scraperfan January 11th, 2006, 03:32 PM I was thinking: PROPOSED: Multi-purpose Stadium (Football/Cricket) and PROPOSED: Multi-purpose stadium (Tennis/Concert) up to our man Dilaz tho. Dilaz89 January 11th, 2006, 03:41 PM Great idea! Scraperfan January 12th, 2006, 04:38 AM This is my first choice: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7203/stadiumlayout7uv.jpg Dodgy illustration but you get the idea fellas. Auxodium January 12th, 2006, 04:45 PM This is my first choice: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7203/stadiumlayout7uv.jpg Dodgy illustration but you get the idea fellas. lol that is an awsome pic :D i think if the site is chosen (it should) then a train station IS REQUIRED. perthguy78 January 13th, 2006, 12:09 AM why is a train station needed.. surely u want people to walk through an area with cafes etc: after the event to add life. it will encourage them to stop and eat. shop etc: central station is only 200 m from your proposed site.... having a train station right outside would be a big mistake Auxodium January 13th, 2006, 08:29 PM why is a train station needed.. surely u want people to walk through an area with cafes etc: after the event to add life. it will encourage them to stop and eat. shop etc: central station is only 200 m from your proposed site.... having a train station right outside would be a big mistake look it is more than 800 metres and people will not walk that far even though there are cafe's etc. People would still go to a cafes and bars even with the station there. Plus there are some great TOD oppurtunites also with the station and also for use for commuters for harbour town and west perth. perthguy78 January 13th, 2006, 10:33 PM TOD in the inner city?? wtf? u can walk to harbour town from there. would be quicker than getting the train... ppl will walk 800m FFS at subiaco they do.. at the WACA they have to if they drive 800M is nothing.. like from one end of the hay st mall to the other... Auxodium January 16th, 2006, 05:32 AM TOD in the inner city?? wtf? u can walk to harbour town from there. would be quicker than getting the train... ppl will walk 800m FFS at subiaco they do.. at the WACA they have to if they drive 800M is nothing.. like from one end of the hay st mall to the other... true for people like me and you, but think about it. There are a lot of people in this city that drive 300 metres to the shops. I did it when i got my license but i have stopped that as it was a stupid idea. People are lazy creatures, and will always find short cuts to get things done. So if the Wellington Street site had a station it would be great for the West Perth, West Northbridge area. We want more people included into the rail network, and a station here like McIver would create oppurtunities for people going to work or 'play' in northbridge and also for people in the nearby apartments in West Perth. gives them an alternative to City West possibly. Ade January 30th, 2006, 07:24 AM Could they host the tennis/basketball at the convention centre? Its in a superb area with access to the Esplanade train station/busport. Auxodium January 30th, 2006, 07:41 AM Could they host the tennis/basketball at the convention centre? Its in a superb area with access to the Esplanade train station/busport. a good idea but i would much rather a purpose built one for concerts also. RocStar February 19th, 2006, 05:56 AM $160m stadium _ city site revealed for 14,000-seat venue EXCLUSIVE, by JOE SPAGNOLO 19feb06 PERTH's new $160 million multi-purpose indoor stadium will be built next to the old entertainment centre in Wellington St. The State Government will unveil plans for a state-of-the-art 14,000 seat egg-shaped venue with a retractable roof. It will be in Northbridge, west of the entertainment centre, which was mothballed four years ago by owner the Seven Network. But The Sunday Times can reveal that plans to revamp the centre are also being considered. Billionaire businessman Kerry Stokes has called a meeting with Premier Alan Carpenter to talk over his multi-million dollar plans for the Perth icon. Mr Stokes, the chairman of Seven, and senior executives from the network will fly to Perth in the next fortnight to discuss turning the area into an international-standard entertainment precinct. But the Government is expected to release plans for its $160 million stadium today, with final designs expected to go out to tender by mid-year. Designed by Perth architects Cameron Chisholm & Nicol, Melbourne's Ashton Raggatt McDougall and US group RTKL, the stadium will be built in time for 2009's Hopman Cup. A spokesman for Cameron Chisholm and Nicol said the world-class facility "looks fantastic" and would be a boon for the city. Labor's decision to go it alone and fund the multi-purpose stadium leaves a question over the future of the entertainment centre. Mr Stokes tried to sell the venue to the Gallop Government in 2002 for about $20 million, but Seven executive Simon Collins hinted this week that such a deal was off the radar. "It is not high on the agenda," Mr Collins said. "High on the agenda is the redevelopment of that precinct. This is a terrific site and it would be a pity if there was not a landmark development there that was for the benefit of all the people of Perth. "We believe that the site of the current Perth Entertainment Centre represents a fantastic opportunity for Perth to create an international standard entertainment precinct." Seven mothballed the 8000-seat centre at the end of 2002. But the building has been maintained and entertainment centre chief executive Ian Frazer has an office there. The centre's former technical manager, Warren Herft, said there was speculation in the music industry that the venue might reopen. He said it was ludicrous for the Government to pour $160 million into a new stadium when the centre could be revamped and expanded for much less. "It's a shame. No, it's a travesty," he said. "The $160 million the Government wants to spend is such a waste of money. They will never get their money back. "Since the entertainment centre has closed, the industry has been booming. If they had left it open they would have made money." Perth Lord Mayor Peter Nattrass said the future of the entertainment centre should be resolved quickly. *Now channel seven want to redevelop the old Ent Cent..FFS! Couldn’t find any render pic. Maybe on tonight’s news and tomorrows paper. Scraperfan February 19th, 2006, 06:11 AM This rules out the sports stadium on this site then. Finally some clarity. As for ent centre, its bulldozer time, thank god for that, I hate it. RocStar February 19th, 2006, 06:15 AM "there was speculation in the music industry that the venue might reopen" Im lost! chrisaus February 19th, 2006, 09:09 AM New sports stadium to be built in Perth The Western Australian Government has unveiled plans for a 14,000-seat sports and entertainment stadium for Perth. The new $160 million facility will be built next to the old Perth Entertainment Centre in Wellington Street in the city's central business district and will feature a retractable roof. It is hoped the stadium will be constructed in time for the 2009 Hopman Cup. State Minister for Housing and Works, Michelle Roberts, says the design will revitalise the centre of Perth. "Because this isn't necessarily a bulky building to cater for this number of people, but they've come up with an incredibly innovative design which I think will be an iconic building for Perth well in to the future," she said. RocStar February 19th, 2006, 10:49 AM I have pics people! Got it off channel 10 news:p It looks awesome! http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8569/rimg13162cq.jpg http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7592/rimg13095fh.jpg http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/391/rimg13106sz.jpg http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5486/rimg13133wr.jpg Perth4life February 19th, 2006, 11:12 AM i agree. someone should post it in the national section when we get better pics! its fucken sexy! Scraperfan February 19th, 2006, 11:13 AM Did you see the night pics!!!??? This is friggin awesome with its mirror windows! We need to find the 3d fly through they had on the news and pics/plans, they have to be on the net somewhere! Wish I had used my phone video camera now, ill have to wait for the 7pm news! Dilaz89 February 19th, 2006, 11:18 AM i taped it. ill try to get a nice pic. Wow i'm very pleased!:) Scribbler February 19th, 2006, 11:26 AM http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9858/190206genstadium114eg.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7797/190206genstadium210nh.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3665/190206genstadium311ch.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2883/190206genstadium417ga.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3317/190206genstadium617qq.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3058/190206genstadium726zk.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9532/190206genstadium818gf.jpg (http://imageshack.us) waustralia February 19th, 2006, 11:27 AM Omg.. its actually.. A landmark type building! IN PERTH. RocStar February 19th, 2006, 11:30 AM OMG Scribbler, you never let us down :cheers: Man this and Kerry Stokes plan to turn the area into an international-standard entertainment precinct ..We're going off! But I hope he doesn't stuff this up by announcing plans to reopen the Ent Cent :bash: Channel seven did say long ago about using the centre to host TV shows which would be great. Man good news day today or what?! Darling harbour at Burswood and now this. Dullsville?..I don't think so champ! Ipggi February 19th, 2006, 12:12 PM Now this is very impressive ... landmark landmark landmark ! :P Dilaz89 February 19th, 2006, 12:46 PM hope this design does go ahead and its not another concept. This could be the catalyst for quality designs in perth. Perth4life February 19th, 2006, 12:49 PM did u see the news, the minister says she doesn't want another shed in perth, only minor alterations will be made if needed. :D sweet. i posted it in the ozscrapers section. maybe the new Big stadium will be like a crazy design also if we get it :D Scraperfan February 19th, 2006, 12:51 PM ABC news said construction would start later this year! ...also said this was just an early concept, id possibly like to see the feature tower element made taller, or a few of the sharper angles extended. Ive also noticed a new Milligan Street road connection to northbridge at the east end. ncon February 19th, 2006, 01:01 PM The design somehow remind me of Melbourne Federation Square :D great new for Perth used to went there for 3 years non-stop ! Citystyle February 19th, 2006, 03:24 PM The design somehow remind me of Melbourne Federation Square :D great new for Perth used to went there for 3 years non-stop ! I agree but thats not a bad thing. Scraperfan February 19th, 2006, 04:56 PM This is a real turning point for proposals in Perth, especially coming from the Government. I loved Michelle Roberts comment on "not another shed" I think the PCEC will forever remind the government of what designs not to build. Citystyle February 20th, 2006, 02:48 AM Funny people seem to winge no watter what they do. Thats to boring. Thats to radical it's a joke. Ipggi February 20th, 2006, 04:07 AM Funny people seem to winge no watter what they do. Thats to boring. Thats to radical it's a joke. You never are going to please all of the people all of the time. I remember when I was on a tram in Melbourne and we went past the NAB campus in the Docklands (a building with a very outthere design). There was a local who was pointing it out to her mother. Saying as a joke, 'thats where all your bank fees end up at', proclaiming it was over extravagant and a waste of money. Scraperfan February 20th, 2006, 04:59 AM Can someone find out where we can submit feedback, im sure it will go out to public comment... ill be submitting something for sure just need to find out when and where. There is an article in today's West, I only glimpsed at it briefly in a doctors office could someone post it? (has a response from City Vision). Thanks. Dilaz89 February 20th, 2006, 09:31 AM michelle-roberts@dpc.wa.gov.au <michelle-roberts@dpc.wa.gov.au> chrisaus February 20th, 2006, 01:59 PM State Government announces site for new indoor entertainment stadium Perth's multi-million dollar new state-of-the-art indoor entertainment and sports stadium will be built on the Northbridge link site next door to the Entertainment Centre. Housing and Works Minister Michelle Roberts confirmed the location of the Wellington Street stadium today, saying that it enjoyed the overwhelming support of council, planners, the community and the entertainment, tourism and sporting sectors. "The Northbridge link always stood out as the preferred location for this stadium," Mrs Roberts said. "It is in the heart of the city and close to all major transport hubs, particularly the proposed Northbridge rail station." The Minister also released early concept drawings of the stadium which have been designed by a consortium of leading architects comprising Melbourne-based Ashton Raggatt McDougall (ARM), the American firm RTKL and local Perth firm Cameron Chisholm and Nicol (CCN). "Our Government's goal is to create an iconic new facility that will revitalise and rejuvenate Perth's business area and create a link with the Northbridge entertainment precinct," Mrs Roberts said. "We have a unique opportunity to build a world-class stadium that will put Western Australia on the map as an attractive venue for both international and national events. "This concept is a spectacular facility, but the design process is still in its early stages and the final plans could be different. "What this design captures, and what will be reflected in the final design, is the Government's commitment to delivering an entertainment venue that will be a significant landmark for years to come." The Minister said the stadium would seat a minimum of 12,000 people for sporting events and up to 14,000 for concerts. "This new sports stadium will be the new home for the Hopman Cup and will be fitted with a fully retractable roof," she said. "I want to also thank Burswood who have agreed to allow the Hopman Cup event to be staged at the Dome for another year." Mrs Roberts said projects of a similar size in the Eastern States had been built for about $160million. She said construction would begin late this year. "This stadium will deliver widespread economic benefits to the State with the ability to attract world-class performers, international sporting events and generate greater exposure for WA, both nationally and internationally," she said. Local member John Hyde welcomed the Government's decision to redevelop the Northbridge Link site saying it would be a catalyst for commercial growth and a major drawcard for the city's premier entertainment precinct. chrisaus February 20th, 2006, 02:04 PM omg. im happy, first of all they have chosen a totaly new venue over revamping the pec thumbs up, second they have moved it to the carpark site another thumbs up, third its a very interesting design another thumbs up, fourth finally they are using an interesting design and not just building on the cheap another thumbs up and fith great to see them wanting to stop the barage of shed buildings. summing, up im a very happy person, i really hope the final contruction is as interesting as the renderings, and this is the start of these kinds of project for perth, hopefully Perth is on the verge of maturing in its design and infrastructure... perth has some exciting projects on the cards, quite impressesive to see how in the last 5 years the development world in perth has got alot more exciting. ill be supporting this one perthguy78 February 20th, 2006, 02:06 PM how big is the dome?? this new one should be around 20k i think.. in a few yrs they will need to expand it otherwise chrisaus February 20th, 2006, 02:09 PM that would probably make it unviable for mid size concerts i guess, so lets hope the dome and the pec are demolished with the pcc and the new arena being the replacements. about time perth aging ugly infrastructure meets the bulldozer jcocks February 20th, 2006, 02:10 PM Yeah so looks so much like Fed Square, and like fed square, is being built on rail land...but hey, I love Melbourne and to have more melbourne - like buildings in Perth is a *GOOD* thing. This will set a design precedent for the Northbridge link. :D Scraperfan February 20th, 2006, 02:18 PM "It is in the heart of the city and close to all major transport hubs, particularly the proposed Northbridge rail station." WTF... "proposed Northbridge rail station??? Havnt seen any plans or renders for this ANYWHERE. Is that where that bridge in the stadium design goes to then? chrisaus February 20th, 2006, 02:23 PM a couple of years ago there was a plan for a station at fitzgerard street on the joondalup line, might be a rebirth of this plan. Scraperfan February 20th, 2006, 02:46 PM Even if the station plans gets hatched in 2007 or early 2008 they could have the new station open with the stadium in January 2009. Would be a good cheaper way to cover the new rail turret from the tunnel entry to the freeway. The stadium must have an underground carpark, or they could enlarge the Harbour Town carpark and link it under and/or over the freeway. BobDaBuilder February 20th, 2006, 02:53 PM You might be getting a new 55,000 to 60,000 seat large stadium too within a decade by the looks of the recommedations going through to the WA state govt. Dilaz89 February 20th, 2006, 03:08 PM The pcc plan on upgrading the elder st carpark to 1500 bays and 6lv at a cost of $30m, if this goes ahead. RocStar February 20th, 2006, 05:42 PM She might have meant the new Bus station? ..She’s new at the job remember lol Scraperfan February 22nd, 2006, 03:37 AM A ridiculous poll in the West Australian today saying 99 approve 309 reject good thing the minister has defended its design saying the international team of architects has ensured it is a functional building and that most landmarks are met with controversy when first built. i have a feeling the design may change, but not too much. jcocks February 22nd, 2006, 04:58 AM A ridiculous poll in the West Australian today saying 99 approve 309 reject good thing the minister has defended its design saying the international team of architects has ensured it is a functional building and that most landmarks are met with controversy when first built. i have a feeling the design may change, but not too much. Yeah well west polls are not to be trusted, people only ever bother with those when they want to complain about something. Besides, 408 people is hardly a decent sample of the populace. Ade February 22nd, 2006, 08:12 AM I have first rights of giving this place a nickname...I call it....LEGO! Citystyle February 22nd, 2006, 09:10 AM Yeah well west polls are not to be trusted, people only ever bother with those when they want to complain about something. Besides, 408 people is hardly a decent sample of the populace. A west poll is as acurate as fox news. Come on it's more balances than that. I wrote a really good letter to the west. 2.5 hours to write(x6) edit the whole thing. :cheers: Scraperfan February 22nd, 2006, 10:36 AM Hope you used your spell checker hehe :) good work. Dilaz89 February 22nd, 2006, 01:43 PM you should be doing hwk. I wrote a quick one to michelle. Scribbler February 23rd, 2006, 06:56 AM Pics of the old Multiplex proposal. http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/15/stadium111lk.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8075/stadium213zb.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7157/stadium412yn.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4043/stadium513kf.jpg (http://imageshack.us) Scribbler February 23rd, 2006, 06:58 AM Interior pics of the new design. http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/351/stadium10a15uj.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3158/stadium10c10ba.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1316/stadium11a15ur.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8731/stadium11c18bo.jpg (http://imageshack.us) And a site map. http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1572/stadium12a19tn.jpg (http://imageshack.us) Scribbler February 23rd, 2006, 07:00 AM And exterior pics of the new plan. http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2341/stadium1316nt.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1453/stadium1418mk.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1355/stadium1515rc.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4197/stadium1616qf.jpg (http://imageshack.us) Dilaz89 February 23rd, 2006, 09:02 AM Wow very glad the multiplex design was scrapped Scraperfan February 23rd, 2006, 09:28 AM Thats not a real outside tennis court is it? Im just assuming that its floor decoration because there are not nets around it (unless there is a facility to put one up for matches?) Citystyle February 23rd, 2006, 09:37 AM It's a render scraperfan. just to tell you were the building sits in the area. Scraperfan February 23rd, 2006, 09:51 AM im talking about the blue lowered area in the last pic outside the main steps to the entrance podium... looks like a tennis court to me. perthguy78 February 23rd, 2006, 12:57 PM dont they play some of the hopman cup games at the state tennis centre?/ could be that the outside court is for this?? RocStar February 23rd, 2006, 05:37 PM ^ Not sure. That looks like it could be a small outdoor amphitheatre, which could be used for tennis. Hope so. The Multiplex design looks so crap in caparison….err “Fix the Con. Cent” lol Scraperfan February 24th, 2006, 01:42 AM It cant be a tennis court because one missed serve and the ball would rocket towards the road - theres no net and the dugout is too shallow to stop the ball! And the terraced seating doesnt go all the way around and theres no umpires seat or players benches or anything, so... Im thinking its just a floor pattern in recognition of the facilities main event? who knows, probably silly to try and figure everything out about it at this early stage... (a sign i need to think about something else !) chrisaus February 25th, 2006, 12:01 PM http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium13.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium16.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium14.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium15.jpg perthguy78 February 25th, 2006, 12:12 PM thanks - i think scribbler posted these already :) wonder what will happen to the ent cent.. it seems there is already a lot of parking nearby.. His Maj, Roe St CP.. Harbour town... no need to build a surface car park on the ent cent.. chrisaus February 25th, 2006, 12:24 PM 7 said they dont want to put parking up, they did mention an 'entertainment complex', they might move their studios there even. RocStar February 25th, 2006, 02:52 PM It cant be a tennis court because one missed serve and the ball would rocket towards the road - theres no net and the dugout is too shallow to stop the ball! And the terraced seating doesnt go all the way around and theres no umpires seat or players benches or anything, so... Im thinking its just a floor pattern in recognition of the facilities main event? who knows, probably silly to try and figure everything out about it at this early stage... (a sign i need to think about something else !) What are u on Scraperfan?..sounds better than speed lol There are no white lines on the road either..AnyHow.. If that pic doesn’t depict a tennis court, well president Bush has killed more civilians than Saddam Hussein ;) As I said, it might be an outdoor, ok ‘public’ amphitheatre where all sorts of shite (activities) can take place including tennis…open your mind man . details..details :) perthguy78 February 25th, 2006, 03:36 PM scraperfan snorted all the white lines hence the lack of them :D RocStar February 25th, 2006, 03:47 PM :rofl: ..sorry SF but thats funni as! :p Scraperfan February 26th, 2006, 03:05 AM Thats fukn witty... i like it :) Theres no nets around that darn tennis court! What happens when someone gets an ace, there goes a six car pile up on wellington street! Dilaz89 February 26th, 2006, 03:19 AM Its just a concept-nothing else. Scraperfan February 26th, 2006, 03:37 AM 1. Dont undertsand why they dont have an underground carpark. 2. Leaving the railway uncovered next to the stadium is silly. 3. I hope they redesign the fly tower block. This could be used as an animated advertising screen for events, everyone driving south on the freeway would pass it. Citystyle February 26th, 2006, 06:48 AM 1. Dont undertsand why they dont have an underground carpark. 2. Leaving ther railway unvovered next to the stadium is silly. 3. I hope they redesign the fly tower block. This could be used as an animated advertising screen for events, eveyone driving south on the freeway would pass it. Agree. Agree. (alot) Pussy's :) . Agree. Dilaz89 February 26th, 2006, 07:19 AM Screw parking. PCC want to expand elder st to 1500 in conjunction with this. There will be so much parking its not funny. RocStar February 26th, 2006, 08:00 AM It may be a good thing that the parking is slightly away from the centre. This may encourage people to move onto other things. In the evenings, the council should look at it pricing structure in order to encourage people to stay longer and not have them severely pay for the privilege. You don’t want to think about, how much it's costing you to stay out longer. I think night parking is already cheaper?..but how cheap? Scraperfan February 26th, 2006, 08:10 AM I think there should be an underground, multi-storey carpark under the stadium with 2000 car bays, and you should get the cost of parking in your ticket price. The capacity is 12000-14000. 1500 bays at elder street is nowhere near enough even discounting rail users, how much time would you waste going to elder st, finding its full then having to find an alternate car park, all while running late for the concert. Nope, a dedicated underground carpark is whats needed at this site. I for one hardly know the carpark locations in the city so if im going to the stadium i want to park at the stadium. Good point though Roc, off site parking will promote pedestrian spending. Ipggi February 26th, 2006, 09:43 AM It may be a good thing that the parking is slightly away from the centre. This may encourage people to move onto other things. In the evenings, the council should look at it pricing structure in order to encourage people to stay longer and not have them severely pay for the privilege. You don’t want to think about, how much it's costing you to stay out longer. I think night parking is already cheaper?..but how cheap? Why not do what they do here at some entertainment precincts and charge a low flat rate parking rate for cars that enter after a set time, ie 6pm. That way you don't have to worry about parking fees or staying out late. chrisaus February 26th, 2006, 12:45 PM Design/Documentation for a Multi-Level Car Park and Commercial Space, Perth Tender Number 092-05/06 Tenders are invited from suitably experienced architects to provide professional services for the expansion of the existing Elder Street car park from 488 to 1500 car bays. Citystyle February 26th, 2006, 01:36 PM mabey it will be somthing cutting edge. Doubt. chrisaus February 26th, 2006, 02:06 PM Knockers must back stadium project AS we all know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What appeals to one person might be aesthetic poison to another. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. But why are West Australians in general negative and critical of anything new? Take the new design for the Wellington St indoor stadium – a facility the state badly needs. Some see it as an architectural landmark of world significance while others – we hope they are a vocal minority but fear otherwise – condemn it as an eyesore. The Sunday Times regards the proposed stadium as an exciting architectural statement – a building that hopefully will become known as a world-class tourist attraction, like the Sydney Opera House. Instead of concentrating on finding fault with the stadium design, West Australians should embrace the new project. The Perth Convention Exhibition Centre was widely criticised by many for resembling a giant barn, yet it is serving the purpose for which it was built. And we don't want to see the stadium project go the way of all those river foreshore plans that were shelved over the years because there was not enough support for them or because they were too expensive. Future generations won't worry about the cost of the stadium or the Perth-Mandurah railway. They will simply enjoy watching events at the stadium and take advantage of the convenience of the railway. Perth businessman Jack Bendat made some telling points when interviewed by ABC presenter Liam Bartlett this week. He said he thought the stadium was beautiful and essential for WA. "However I don't think it will actually ever be built and the reason I say that is because there's too many knockers in Western Australia," he said. "Every time we come up with something different or radical, there are those conservative people that say, `We don't need it here, we don't want it here'. "And yet if we are going to be a major city in the world, which we are, we have to be a little different. And the design of the exterior of that (the stadium) is fantastic . . ." The knockers should listen to Mr Bendat. With a retractable roof, the planned $160 million entertainment centre will be of world standard, capable of housing 12,000 for a sporting event and 14,000 for a concert. It should put Perth back on the touring map for high-profile entertainment groups. It is unfortunate that though the stadium was due to be opened in late 2008 the shortage of skilled workers is expected to delay completion by six months. This is an unacceptably long time for Perth to be without a venue for major visiting entertainers. The State Government should examine all options to try to meet the 2008 deadline. Scraperfan February 26th, 2006, 02:44 PM here here Auxodium February 26th, 2006, 06:16 PM http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium13.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium16.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium14.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/stadium15.jpg wow i know that is a concept but hot diggety built this at once! :D The entertainment centre (old one) can become TVW 7' s new home. ala Fed square. Perth4life February 27th, 2006, 11:47 AM i have a feeling this bit of the city will be awesome and very popular in the near future. Scraperfan February 27th, 2006, 12:22 PM Would be better if they could connect milligan street with northbridge, its 80% done in the concept anyway! RocStar February 27th, 2006, 01:43 PM mabey it will be somthing cutting edge. Doubt. I read somewhere, the PCC have now got strick guidelines for new multi level car parks. So the design, particular being developed by the PCC them selves, should be good. I think the old Perth Ent Cent may actually become channel 7s new home. Can’t wait till they reveal their plans for the site. Scraperfan February 27th, 2006, 01:51 PM No way we have to have demolition of the ent centre! I want it gone! Ch7 can have their hq on the site but in a new building!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo! RocStar February 27th, 2006, 02:02 PM If they modernise it, it should be ok. The circular design is/can be unique :P ...surrounded by towers of course so you wont see it lol. Citystyle February 27th, 2006, 02:03 PM No way we have to have demolition of the ent centre! I want it gone! Ch7 can have their hq on the site but in a new building!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo! Mabey they should blow it up. Or is there a better way to using(doubt). RocStar February 27th, 2006, 02:19 PM Be prepared. Channel seven already said they were going to keep it!..For what use, I don't know..Anyhow, we just have to wait and see now. It may still go. :dunno: RocStar February 27th, 2006, 02:24 PM Puzzle solved: Stadium adds up By JOE SPAGNOLO 26feb06 THE design for Perth's new $160 million multipurpose indoor stadium is based on a mathematical puzzle. Perth architect Dominic Snellgrove said a 1995 Scottish game called Eternity – a highly sophisticated jigsaw requiring players to fit 209 plastic pieces into a 12-sided grid – had provided the inspiration for the design. Various bits of the puzzle had resembled WA icons such as Rottnest Island, swans, boats and horses, and had been used in the controversial design. The Fremantle Roundhouse had also provided inspiration for the building which would be built alongside the Perth Entertainment Centre, Mr Snellgrove said. "We wanted to create a stadium which was not one of those monolithic, single-element buildings in the way that most stadiums are," he said. The 14,000-seat venue, which will have a retractable roof, has been designed to ensure everyone had a good view of the stage, which will be big enough for a 100-piece orchestra. When the stage was removed, the event floor was big enough for Hopman Cup tennis, as well as other events such as motocross and basketball. There will be 40 corporate boxes inside the stadium. "This is a world-class facility offering a lot of flexibility for a very broad range of sporting and performance activities," Mr Snellgrove said. Though there was no on-site parking, patrons could use public parking spots nearby. They would be encouraged to use train and bus services. The City of Perth was proposing to add 1020 bays to the Elder St car park. Mr Snellgrove said construction of the stadium would begin late this year. *I can see a swans head and maybe a boat. How do horses represent WA?? -waustralia, can you see the swan's head lol :) Ipggi February 27th, 2006, 11:45 PM Be prepared. Channel seven already said they were going to keep it!..For what use, I don't know..Anyhow, we just have to wait and see now. It may still go. :dunno: I am quite happy to see it stay if it gets a referb. But clearly the space is too big for channel 7 Perth alone. It would be interesting to see what they have planned for the rest of the building. Maybe they will keep the entertainment theme going, being next to the stadium etc. They could lease it to the PCC and turn it into an indoor aquatic/sports centre as the CBD is lacking this type of facility. BobDaBuilder March 1st, 2006, 12:41 PM Is the Hopman Cup that big that Perth needs to build a 16,000 seat arena for it? On tv the place looks mainly empty and the Perth hoops team cannot even fill a 5k stadium these days. As for the new arena the design is okay nothing brilliant. A bit 1970's really. Like a set out of Dr. Who. The stadium up in Sydney is not bad and very profitable apparently, or one of the countless arenas they have over in the USA. They should have a look at those exteriors before they call in the Dalek Architecture firm. Auxodium March 1st, 2006, 05:24 PM Dr Who is a quirky iconic tv series, therefore something like that would be great for this generically bland city we have. It is different, very different. I like it so i would like to see it built but it is a concept drawing afterall. what about concerts and plays? We need that as we have no indoor venue. Sports isn't everything to drive a stadium, and this one we need, not the 80k waste of space stadium. ryan79 March 6th, 2006, 01:06 PM This design must be built! To hell with the conservative nay sayers. They have been holding our city back far too long. When the PEC was first built it in the late 70s it was one of the largest indoor entertainment complex in the southern hemisphere! It was also considered quite state of the art. This is a chance for Perth to be back on top again. Even if I didn't like this design I would say build it because it different. Even for just that reason as long as its functional just build it build it build it! I have fond memories of watching the Cats play at the PEC with capacity crowds. So much atmosphere and fun. Still, it needs to go or be cleverly restored into a museum of some sort maybe to pay tribute the sports and concert acts that have visited Perth. Or something, can't just stay there doing nothing. ryan79 March 6th, 2006, 01:14 PM Is the Hopman Cup that big that Perth needs to build a 16,000 seat arena for it? On tv the place looks mainly empty and the Perth hoops team cannot even fill a 5k stadium these days. As for the new arena the design is okay nothing brilliant. A bit 1970's really. Like a set out of Dr. Who. The stadium up in Sydney is not bad and very profitable apparently, or one of the countless arenas they have over in the USA. They should have a look at those exteriors before they call in the Dalek Architecture firm. The Hopman Cup is quite a big draw in Perth as our main Tennis tournament and could easily fill 16k on big matches. The Wildcats do fill the 5k stadium quite often, however the problem is with the location it is currently at. Returning it to a central location would easily boost numbers - enough to fill 16k well I'm not sure about that. Should be able to double on current crowds though but there are other factors with Basketball on a national scale which are bringing it down (such as TV broadcasting) And then theres concerts. Concerts at PEC used to sell out and double shows had to be done by touring artists. This capacity was around 12k I believe so 16k may not even be enough for that. And we desperately need to get rid of Burswood Dome which has not only got to have the worst accoustics in the world but also looks like it hasn't been finished. Horrorific situation for Perth concert goers right now as WACA can't have more than 4 concerts a year. Dilaz89 March 6th, 2006, 01:39 PM PEC is still ok inside. They should have kept it open until this is built. Why did they close it anyway? Was it loosing money? RocStar March 6th, 2006, 03:03 PM Yeah, I think it was. Perth in Danger of Slipping Back into Mediocrity and Missing Out on an Iconic Building Source: Property Council of Australia Date Published: 27 February 2006 The Property Council of Australia applauds the foresight of the State Government in accepting a futuristic and daring design for the much awaited Indoor Stadium. The plans deliver a truly iconic structure to the City of Perth similar to Sydney Opera House and Melbourne’s Federation Square, said Mr Luke Saraceni President of the Property Council of Australia (WA Division). “It would be tragic if once again political point scoring and knee-jerk reactions rob the City of a potentially world class structure. The Indoor Stadium will be consumed by the mediocrity of compromise if we turn our backs on this design. “The under-whelming Bell Tower is a timely reminder of a great idea that is cut down by a comprised outcome. “The Property Council urges the Government to stick with its resolve to deliver something special to the City of Perth and dismiss the “shed’ mentality of certain sections of the community”, said Mr Saraceni. *2 thumbs up for Saraceni! :okay: :okay: ...maybe we should post this on the SOS web site...or is it the SOB web site ...sonsOfbitches.. Auxodium March 6th, 2006, 03:37 PM i agree on this. The 'broken Golf Ball' design is fantastic. Grollo March 23rd, 2006, 02:24 PM Another great A-R-M design: http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/perth.jpg http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/perth 2.jpg chrisaus April 29th, 2006, 05:23 PM 24/04/2006 "ENTERTAINMENT CENTRE CAR PARK 3" 830 Wellington Street PERTH WA 6000 Forward Works - Proposed Multipurpose Indoor Entertainment & Sports Stadium - Meiss Stadium. $5,000,000.00 DA 2006/2141 EPRA Ref ryan79 May 5th, 2006, 01:56 PM Has there been any update on this project. Such as has this design been approved etc.? Any construction and opening times? docker May 5th, 2006, 05:08 PM looks like in that last picture that people would be getting pretty close to the road and cars on the left hand side. ^^ But persides from that, it looks like it will be a great stadium :dance: But how far is the nearest train station from it? :cheers: dallas May 5th, 2006, 07:56 PM Yeah, when the hell are going to build this bad boy? Will make up for that God awful convention center at the front of the city! Tyler May 6th, 2006, 02:34 AM But how far is the nearest train station from it? The nearest train station will be Perth and this will involve a walk of about 6 minutes. Dilaz89 May 6th, 2006, 01:38 PM There is talk of a northbrisge train station behind it. Citystyle May 7th, 2006, 06:55 AM The walk from thew train station would not take five mins. Try 2 or 3 when it's done. Tyler May 7th, 2006, 09:29 AM Geez your a fast walker Citystyle. The stadium is planned to be built upon the current entertainment centre car park right so the walk from there to platform one will take at least a minimum of 5 minutes. Go and time it!! There is talk of a northbrisge train station behind it. That's only Auxodium's dream. chrisaus May 7th, 2006, 09:57 AM there was a plan for fitzgerald street station that was taken out of the plans, but with the new stadium and northbridge link, could be back on the cards. Clarkson line is starting to get a decent amount of stations with a new Joondalup Arena special events station, and a future extension RocStar May 10th, 2006, 04:23 AM Stadium car park needed Friday 28 April 2006 The City of Perth is seeking a meeting with the State Government to discuss the possibility of including an underground car park in the new central city multi-purpose indoor stadium. The Council believes it is essential that there be adequate parking facilities at the proposed 14,000-seat venue. There was no provision for on-site parking in the initial plans unveiled in February. Deputy Lord Mayor Cr Michael Sutherland said the Council was interested in an arrangement similar to that at the Perth Convention Exhibition Centre where the City entered a 99-year lease on a 1500-bay car park, effectively ensuring that a car park was built. Cr Sutherland and Cr Chris Hardy recently attended a major car-parking and traffic conference in The Netherlands and based on what they observed there, combined with supplementary research, they had formed the view that it would be unrealistic to undertake a major city entertainment complex without adequate parking. The Council considered a number of issues in determining that an approach be made to the Minister for Housing and Works to discuss a possible stadium car-park deal. These included the loss of 600 existing car-parking bays leased by the City on Wellington Street , adjacent to the old Entertainment Centre, once construction of the indoor stadium begins. Added to this, a further 300 proposed bays on Wellington Street , purchased as part of the Convention Centre deal, would not eventuate due to the Northbridge Link project. Cr Sutherland said the Council was keen to negotiate with the Minister as to the terms on which the City could be involved in a new parking venture. chrisaus May 10th, 2006, 11:14 AM there heaps of parking in the city, lets not stuff up another development with carparks stadiumdesigner May 10th, 2006, 11:31 AM when the stuff are they actually going to built it? chrisaus May 10th, 2006, 02:07 PM Entertainment Centre car park to close Wednesday 10 May 2006 Motorists are advised that City ofPerth Parking’s (CPP) Entertainment Centre car park will close permanently from midnight on Friday 2 June. The 600-bay car park is on the site of the new multi-purpose indoor entertainment and sports stadium being built by the State Government. Site remediation is set to begin in July. City of Perth CEO Frank Edwards says users of the car park should take a little time to study other parking options. “CPP operates some 30 car parks around the city and some of these are in fairly close proximity to the Entertainment Centre car park,” Mr Edwards said. Cheaper alternative parking is available at: Ø Roe Street car park (496 bays) –– 68 Roe Street , Northbridge Ø State Library car park (561 bays) –– 15 Francis Street Northbridge Ø Fitzgerald Street car park (65 bays) –– corner Fitzgerald, James and Roe Streets Ø Milligan Street car park (56 bays) –– corner Milligan and James Streets, Northbridge Ø Mayfair Street car park (344 bays) –– 27 Mayfair Street, West Perth Mr Edwards said the free CAT bus service passed CPP car parks regularly and could quickly move people into the CBD and other places of employment. A full list of CPP car parks and location maps are available on the City of Perth’s website www.perth.wa.gov.au. Further Information is available by phoning 9461-3236. chrisaus May 11th, 2006, 11:38 AM the budget for this project is now $195million Ipggi May 11th, 2006, 12:07 PM Thats a little hike from the original $160million.. Good on them :P Or maybe its just to cover rising construction costs? mike_london May 11th, 2006, 12:58 PM "City of Perth CEO Frank Edwards says users of the car park should take a little time to study other parking options." maybe better advice would be to study other transport options... train, bike, bus, car-pool.... mike_london May 11th, 2006, 01:02 PM sorry to double post but what do you guys think the chances are of this design being built. we have seen great designs put forward in perth before and then in later stages they are modified and well... we have a few mediocre developments as a result (good example = the bell tower). im a bit out of the loop over here in europe. wondered what the public thought. have any other designs been thrown around? chrisaus May 11th, 2006, 02:14 PM Thats a little hike from the original $160million.. Good on them :P Or maybe its just to cover rising construction costs? probably just a more accurate estimate as the new figure was from yesterdays state budget. they say its part of a $20billion capital works infrastructure spending spree Citystyle May 11th, 2006, 03:33 PM sorry to double post but what do you guys think the chances are of this design being built. we have seen great designs put forward in perth before and then in later stages they are modified and well... we have a few mediocre developments as a result (good example = the bell tower). im a bit out of the loop over here in europe. wondered what the public thought. have any other designs been thrown around? Look at the Old Treasury Building they are going ahead with that design. The initial media pressure over the controversial design is gone and the greater majority of Perth people like this building have spoken out. This should be built. What I would have loved to see with this building was an integrated underground train link and a under ground and semi detached car park with a similar design. But the budget would have to be a lot bigger but I am still happy. Scribbler May 14th, 2006, 11:44 AM They will build it as it has been presented, subject to cost. At the moment this design is a concept. What they are now doing is fleshing out exactly how it might be built, with what materials, what functionality, etc. etc. I think the Govt is quite clear in its determination to go ahead with this design. Dilaz89 May 14th, 2006, 11:50 AM Yes, I think the design will along the same lines as the concepts ie. rather 'out there'. So we shouldn't see a multiplex box lol. stadiumdesigner May 16th, 2006, 04:10 PM there is no need to put in another train station. on the way to ben harper concert, i parked in city west, and walked from city west to the supreme court gardens, and i was suprised how quick it took me to get to the entertainment centre...definatly no need there city_thing May 25th, 2006, 08:39 AM In my local newspaper (Perth Voice) on Saturday they announced that the car park near the entertainment centre was officially closed for construction of the new indoor arena to begin. Seems to be going ahead much faster than I'd anticipated. Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy May 25th, 2006, 10:17 AM http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/3D_Stadium-V6.swf ryan79 May 25th, 2006, 10:56 AM In my local newspaper (Perth Voice) on Saturday they announced that the car park near the entertainment centre was officially closed for construction of the new indoor arena to begin. Seems to be going ahead much faster than I'd anticipated. Finally! Hopefully this will come up pretty quick, if they don't find any bones ;) Dilaz89 May 25th, 2006, 11:06 AM Just remediation at this stage. Set to begin late '06 so we should see a final design within two or so months. ryan79 May 25th, 2006, 12:33 PM So that design wasn't finalised? The better not turn it into something lame. Scribbler May 29th, 2006, 04:41 AM Ryan, the design that we have seen is the Government's intent. They are currently working out exactly how that concept will be turned into "bricks and mortar", ie, exactly what materials will be used, etc etc. docker June 16th, 2006, 04:01 PM does anyone have any updates, such as construction/plans? Dilaz89 June 16th, 2006, 04:22 PM Havnt been finalised. remediation starts soon. chrisaus June 17th, 2006, 02:38 AM In my local newspaper (Perth Voice) on Saturday they announced that the car park near the entertainment centre was officially closed for construction of the new indoor arena to begin. Seems to be going ahead much faster than I'd anticipated. looked pretty open and pretty bloody full last night! city_thing June 17th, 2006, 02:58 PM Heh! Yeah well, that newspaper obviously told lies! I've walked past it a few times and seen cars in there too. I have no idea what's going on. Though I did end up chatting to some random guy in a bar (I was wasted.... I tend to do that) who had something to do with the project. He said the released design was definetly going ahead. Johnvb June 17th, 2006, 06:09 PM Yeah i saw them trying to take down the CPP parking sign yesterday...didnt actually see it come down... city_thing June 17th, 2006, 06:32 PM Sure it wasn't just some random kids causing havoc? Those CPP parking signs are worth a FORTUNE on the black market.... Johnvb June 19th, 2006, 05:34 AM Haha yeah it was the huge illuminated one... KamikazeTaxi June 21st, 2006, 08:37 AM When I picked my partner up from work yesterday, I noticed that the carpark had been closed off (no cars were parked there obviously) I wonder where all those people are now parking? Hopefully they are catching the train... chrisaus July 10th, 2006, 04:31 AM Multi Use Indoor Entertainment and Sports Stadium Perth, WA To be determined Early 2009 CCN in a joint venture with Melbourne based ARM has won the Department of Housing and Works (DHW) commission to design Perth's new Multi purpose Entertainment and Sports Stadium. Against international competition, CCN and ARM, with US based RTKL as design consultant, was selected from a shortlist of four highly credentialed consortiums to design the new 14,000 seat stadium, destined to become a landmark development on a key site between the Perth CBD and the "downtown" Northbridge entertainment precinct. CCN and ARM was selected due to its demonstrated ability to qiuckly define the brief and to provide practical examples though the work of the consortium, that we would be capable of delivering the brief within the practical timeframe defined by DHW. December 2005 will see geotechnical and surveying work commence on the site. Major consultant selections are programmed to occur early in December with the aim of establishing briefs for each discipline prior to Christmas. This project site will continue to evolve as this project of high public interest, develops. chrisaus July 12th, 2006, 08:25 AM the site is being fenced of and all the trees are being taken out today Dilaz89 July 26th, 2006, 11:21 AM they are now tendering. BGC want it (noooooooooooooooooooooo) Also, grocon put a big in too. Some hope :) perthguy78 July 26th, 2006, 02:51 PM who cares who builds it.. design is what counts Citystyle July 27th, 2006, 05:37 AM Quality is as much the builder and there work than the design schedule. KamikazeTaxi July 27th, 2006, 06:53 AM BGC are as useless as a chocolate teapot. I'm building my home with them and it has almost been 2 years and running.... chrisaus August 2nd, 2006, 03:31 AM PERTH’S NEW MULTI-PURPOSE INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND SPORTS STADIUM Work is underway on Perth’s new, state-of-the-art Multi-purpose Indoor Entertainment and Sports Stadium (MIESS). The purpose-built stadium will be located on the Northbridge Link site (formerly the Entertainment Centre car park) on Wellington Street in Perth’s CBD. The spectacular new facility will be in the heart of the city and close to all major transport hubs – particularly the future William Street platforms of the Perth rail station. When complete in mid-2009, it will be a jewel in the crown of the city's premier entertainment precinct, driving the revitalisation of the area and re-establishing a connection between the city's commercial and entertainment hubs. KEY FEATURES The Multi-purpose Indoor Entertainment and Sports Stadium is being designed by a world-class team of architects including Melbourne-based Ashton Raggatt McDougall (ARM), local Perth firm Cameron Chisholm and Nicol (CCN), and specialist consultants RTKL from the USA. The new stadium will: seat a minimum of 12,000 people for sporting events and 14,000 for concerts include a state-of-the-art operating system to allow maximum flexibility, an adaptable performance floor, extensive support rooms and VIP areas incorporate an operable roof – which will allow the Hopman Cup to continue in Perth be built and funded by Western Australians attract world-class performers and international sporting events encourage tourism and showcase Western Australia – nationally and internationally generate jobs during the construction stage – and more employment and economic benefits when it is up and running. WHAT'S NEW Preparation works on the Multi-purpose Indoor Entertainment and Sports Stadium site on Wellington Street are now underway. Initial works will include the removal of remnant vegetation and the existing car park. The site will be enclosed by hoardings that meet the standards laid down by the City of Perth, with vehicle access for building and construction contractors via the Milligan Street intersection. Plans for the construction period involve maintaining traffic access along Wellington Street. There are currently no plans for traffic diversions. Pedestrians will have access to the southern side of Wellington Street for the duration of the project. The Department of Housing and Works will be working closely with residents and the local community to minimise any disruption during construction of the new stadium. TIMEFRAME ACTIVITY November 2005 Commencement of design process by architects July 2006 Commencement of forward works January 2007 Builder contracted March 2007 Commencement of construction Mid-2009 Practical completion CONTACT US For more information about Perth's new Multi-purpose Indoor Entertainment and Sports Stadium — or to send us your comments — contact us by: Phone: 1800 819 912 Fax: 08 9221 2551 Email: miess@dhw.wa.gov.au chrisaus August 2nd, 2006, 03:32 AM http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/dayview_large.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/nightview1_large.jpg http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/stadium/images/nightview2_large.jpg docker August 2nd, 2006, 08:03 AM bloody hell, those new renderings make the stadium look twice as good as the other pictures, woooowwww that is something spectacular. chrisaus August 2nd, 2006, 08:07 AM I really love it!! fantastic, fingers cross it turns out this spectacular, and shit it'll look amazing at night! docker August 2nd, 2006, 08:08 AM where did u get the pics from? because it could be nice to see some more if there are some. chrisaus August 2nd, 2006, 08:18 AM Department Of Housing And Works website, thats all they had, try contacting the project manager for more renders |