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Romas
October 22nd, 2004, 08:43 PM
The Centre of Europe is situated 26 km North of Vilnius, by the road A-14 Vilnius – Utena.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Romas2/LT%20etc/19940013ec.jpg
Information of the Centre of Europe :

Several countries claim to be at the heart of Europe, but according to the research of the French National geographic institute the one and the only geographical central point of the continent is in Lithuania, a fact that has even won recognition in the Guinness Book of World records.

In 1989 a group of French scientists from the institute of announced that the geographical centre of Europe was just to the north of the Lithuanian capital Vilnius – 26 kilometres to be exact – near the village of Purnuškės.

The map references of that version of the centres of Europe are 54°54’ latitude and 25°19’ longitude. These references were defined only after re-estimation of the boundaries of European continent. The northern point was defined Spitsbergen 80°45’N- 20°35’E), the Southern point is the Canary Islands (27°36’N-17°58’W) the Eastern point at the crest of Urals (67°59’N-56°10’E) and the western point is Azores (39°27’N-31°16’W).

The boundary of the continent runs along the Kara River, the highest crest of the Urals, along the Ural River and the Caspian sea, along the Apsheron Peninsula, over the highest crest of the Caucasian mountains, through the Black Sea and the channels of the Dardanelle and the Bosphorus, along the Eastern shore of the Aegean – the border between Greece and turkey – and through the Mediterranean Sea and the Gibraltar channel.

According to these estimates of the boundaries of Europe, the Canary Islands, Madeira and the Azores, were attached to Europe together with Iceland. The scientists did not take into account the location of Malta in the middle of Mediterranean, however, this would change the location of the geographical centre of Europe by only 100 metres.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Romas2/LT%20etc/19940012.jpg

A reserve for the European Geographical Centre was arranged in 1992. It covered Girija Lake, Bernotai Hill and a burial mound for pagans called an alkakalnis, as well as surrounding woods and fields.
On 1 May 2004, the date Lithuania entered European Union, a famous Lithuanian sculptor Gediminas Jokubonis unveiled at the site his composition of a column of white granite, the top of which is rimmed by a crown of stars.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Romas2/LT%20etc/19940011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Romas2/LT%20etc/19940010.jpg


It would be interesting to see pictures of the other centres of Europe in Czech Republic, Poland (Suchowola), Ukraine (Delove near Rakhiv), in Germany, etc. etc.

Gatis
October 22nd, 2004, 09:16 PM
"Several countries claim to be at the heart of Europe, but according to the research of the French National geographic institute the one and the only geographical central point of the continent is in Lithuania, a fact that has even won recognition in the Guinness Book of World records.

In 1989 a group of French scientists from the institute of announced that the geographical centre of Europe was just to the north of the Lithuanian capital Vilnius – 26 kilometres to be exact – near the village of Purnuškės."

Several groups of international scientists looking for cheap popularity "found" two new centres in Latvia too. Do not rely on this too much - there are zillions of ways to define borders of Europe, to take into account the shape of Earth etc. There are several dozens of centres of Europe in Europe approved by one or another scientific institution... and all of them are in Eastern Europe. I think this has to do with the psychology in Eastern Europe some 10 years ago. Iron curtain was down and Eastern Europe tryed its best to show that they are part of the developed Europe.

Anyway Lithuania made fine marketing out of this and got the most popular centre of Europe among all the others...

jimm
October 22nd, 2004, 10:40 PM
There are those "centres" in Ukraine, Belgium, Germany.... . :D

Ning
October 23rd, 2004, 06:26 AM
There is also a centre of the € zone in France.

VelesHomais
October 23rd, 2004, 06:35 AM
There is an Obelisk in Rakhiv, Ukraine marking Center of Europe :)

SinCity
October 27th, 2004, 12:09 AM
Where is the exact geographic heart of Europe with so many countries making this claim?

Küsel
October 27th, 2004, 03:11 AM
I think there are also "center" points in Hungary and Tchech Rep.

rub1613
October 27th, 2004, 01:47 PM
It depends on what do understand about Europe.Whit Turkey or whit the sereveral European islands.I believe the center of the EU-15 is in the south of Belgium.The EU-25 center is in Germany.

Justme
October 27th, 2004, 02:56 PM
@Romas, very interesting. Do you have a reference link to this info, as I'd be interested to see if they have a map of their definitions of Europe.

Seems interesting that the Canary Islands is now within Europe. Culturally, it is clearly part of Europe, but generally, it has been part of Africa.

Are their definitions of any official status?

Küsel
October 27th, 2004, 03:24 PM
It depends on what do understand about Europe.Whit Turkey or whit the sereveral European islands.I believe the center of the EU-15 is in the south of Belgium.The EU-25 center is in Germany.

Is it the continental mass from Ural-Caucasia to Ireland-Portugal? Or the EU center point? Or the European countries - Russia including Sibiria or the whole Turkey, the French colonies included...? Is it for all the ones mentioned above the geometrical center of the surface of the continent or the point where the maximum NS-EW lines cross?

A difficult question...

Wicky
October 28th, 2004, 12:18 PM
Interesting question.... But look at the map of Europe:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Physical_Map_of_Europe.jpg

In Slovakia:The geographical centre of Europe: The Church of St. John - Kremnické Bane towards Krahule peaks. That´s what I´ve been taught in the school. This might be the centre of the continental Europe, including British Isles:

Kremnica
http://www.novy-jicin.cz/njnew/mestskyurad/partnerska_mesta/kremnica.jpg
In the near is popular ski resosrt named Skalka
http://www.mototuristika.sk/archiv/zima_2003/skalka/130.jpg

Well, at least Kremnica is almost the centre of Slovakia...

Mantas
October 28th, 2004, 12:37 PM
It depends on what do understand about Europe.Whit Turkey or whit the sereveral European islands.I believe the center of the EU-15 is in the south of Belgium.The EU-25 center is in Germany.
The borders of Europe are already estimated and the center of Lithuania is counted to be the realest one. Although hard to say anything on this issue ;)

peterthegreat
October 28th, 2004, 03:57 PM
well, as Slovak, I have to say, that for sure the geographical center of Europe is in Slovakia near Kremnica, but there is no clear consensus on the location of the true Geographic Center of Europe. There is an ongoing debate as to where the Geographic Center of Europe really is. The differing opinions are based on different measurements, and different ways of calculating the final result.

Among locations currently claiming to be the center of Europe are:

Toruń, in Western Poland
Rakhiv, in Western Ukraine
Bernotai (near Vilnius), in Lithuania
Krahule, central Slovakia

Anyways.... at least Slovakia is HEARTH OF EUROPE as you can see on the map above :)

Gatis
October 28th, 2004, 10:00 PM
In Latvia as centres of Europe are considered:
- Kolka spit - one geography guy (do not remember from where) made his degree on it;
- church in Rucava village.

stefansk
October 29th, 2004, 02:07 AM
Clearly, we can see where the center is ;) ;) :D ;)

http://www.econ.umn.edu/~rstefans/Physical_Map_of_Europe.jpg

VelesHomais
October 30th, 2004, 01:24 AM
No, Europe doesn't include greenland. Anyways, it's clear that it's somewhere in this red spot :D

I think it's mostly likely where Slovakia, Poland and Ukraine meet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mesofius/mapapapa.jpg

VelesHomais
October 30th, 2004, 01:29 AM
btw, geographically the only eastern european country is Russia, and even not all of it. Some of it is central Europe as well :lol:

chiccoplease
December 15th, 2004, 01:06 AM
lol aren't those centres everywhere? And every country (and in Germany, every federal state) pretends to be the center or "in the heart" of Europe, as well.

dennol
December 15th, 2004, 02:27 AM
It's not important where the geographical centre of Europe is, because in todays world it's not about distance in kilometres, but about distance in time (i.e. how long does it take to get there).

There's this small town called Boekel only 35 km form where I live. But if I would have to get there using only public transport it would take me at least 1,5 hours. In 2004 I'm faster in Amsterdam or even London thanks to Ryanair.


The true centre of Europe is Northwest Europe (England, Benelux, western Germany and the north of France). This part of Europe is where you'll find the biggest airports, densest motorway systems and best railway systems. Norhtwest Europe might not be the geographical centre of Europe, but it still has the best connections to the rest of the continent (and the rest of the world too). And that's what matters.

stefansk
December 15th, 2004, 05:26 AM
It's not important where the geographical centre of Europe is, because in todays world it's not about distance in kilometres, but about distance in time (i.e. how long does it take to get there).

There's this small town called Boekel only 35 km form where I live. But if I would have to get there using only public transport it would take me at least 1,5 hours. In 2004 I'm faster in Amsterdam or even London thanks to Ryanair.


The true centre of Europe is Northwest Europe (England, Benelux, western Germany and the north of France). This part of Europe is where you'll find the biggest airports, densest motorway systems and best railway systems. Norhtwest Europe might not be the geographical centre of Europe, but it still has the best connections to the rest of the continent (and the rest of the world too). And that's what matters.

In a sense you are right. But in another sense... In Poland I know plenty of villages only 100 km away, that with public transport would take me 6 or seven hours to get to. In six or seven hours I can be In America, or Africa or maybe Saudi Arabia... So I geuss the real center of Europe... isnt even in Europe :D ;)

Petronius
December 15th, 2004, 11:06 AM
no, the geogrqphical centre of Europe is Portugal.... :D