The time period of the Europeans voyage to conquer foreign land were considered the Renaissance although the timeline of the Medieval period between European countries differs, just do a bit of research, there will be a timeline on it.

I think the term "medieval" as a term to sometimes describe Intramuros is more of form than substance. The fact that it is called "Intramuros" or within the walls harks back when cities where walled for protection. European cities like Vienna and Frankfurt demolished their walls, I believe during the age of Enlightenment as compared to Intramurios whose draw bridges where still raised at night as late as the middle of the 19th century.

So by form, narrow cobbledstone streets (some even unpaved), the predominance of churches and chapels together with the religious houses, whose only form of relief or entertainment was said to be religious in nature like processions, even some of the defense canons where said to be antiquated, etc. So I believe in this sense of the word, being in form the term "medieval" is used as an adjective to describe Intramuros and not based on the strict sense of time lines.

The time period of the Europeans voyage to conquer foreign land were considered the Renaissance although the timeline of the Medieval period between European countries differs, just do a bit of research, there will be a timeline on it.

I think the term "medieval" as a term to sometimes describe Intramuros is more of form than substance. The fact that it is called "Intramuros" or within the walls harks back when cities where walled for protection. European cities like Vienna and Frankfurt demolished their walls, I believe during the age of Enlightenment as compared to Intramurios whose draw bridges where still raised at night as late as the middle of the 19th century.

So by form, narrow cobbledstone streets (some even unpaved), the predominance of churches and chapels together with the religious houses, whose only form of relief or entertainment was said to be religious in nature like processions, even some of the defense canons where said to be antiquated, etc. So I believe in this sense of the word, being in form the term "medieval" is used as an adjective to describe Intramuros and not based on the strict sense of time lines.

^^

By all means, Intramuros is not a Renaissance city, which would have been an open city, with wide, open spaces.

Historians have even noted that the circular plan employed in the Fortress of de Guia ( older sections of Bastion de San Diego ) was an old, and obsolete fortification.

Based on the characteristics of the original 1590 plan for Intramuros, it would have the characteristics of a Medieval city. And travellers have often described them as such, with one commenting that he was transported back to the Dark Ages when he stepped into the city in the 19th-century.

^^

By all means, Intramuros is not a Renaissance city, which would have been an open city, with wide, open spaces.

Historians have even noted that the circular plan employed in the Fortress of de Guia ( older sections of Bastion de San Diego ) was an old, and obsolete fortification.

Based on the characteristics of the original 1590 plan for Intramuros, it would have the characteristics of a Medieval city. And travellers have often described them as such, with one commenting that he was transported back to the Dark Ages when he stepped into the city in the 19th-century.

I think the term "medieval" as a term to sometimes describe Intramuros is more of form than substance. The fact that it is called "Intramuros" or within the walls harks back when cities where walled for protection. European cities like Vienna and Frankfurt demolished their walls, I believe during the age of Enlightenment as compared to Intramurios whose draw bridges where still raised at night as late as the middle of the 19th century.

So by form, narrow cobbledstone streets (some even unpaved), the predominance of churches and chapels together with the religious houses, whose only form of relief or entertainment was said to be religious in nature like processions, even some of the defense canons where said to be antiquated, etc. So I believe in this sense of the word, being in form the term "medieval" is used as an adjective to describe Intramuros and not based on the strict sense of time lines.


I would agree on Intramuros being Medieval inspired rather than saying or bragging about it as being a Medieval City in Asia and to think that most structures there date back to only 20th century with the exception of San Agustin and some parts of the walls and ruins.

I think the term "medieval" as a term to sometimes describe Intramuros is more of form than substance. The fact that it is called "Intramuros" or within the walls harks back when cities where walled for protection. European cities like Vienna and Frankfurt demolished their walls, I believe during the age of Enlightenment as compared to Intramurios whose draw bridges where still raised at night as late as the middle of the 19th century.

So by form, narrow cobbledstone streets (some even unpaved), the predominance of churches and chapels together with the religious houses, whose only form of relief or entertainment was said to be religious in nature like processions, even some of the defense canons where said to be antiquated, etc. So I believe in this sense of the word, being in form the term "medieval" is used as an adjective to describe Intramuros and not based on the strict sense of time lines.


I would agree on Intramuros being Medieval inspired rather than saying or bragging about it as being a Medieval City in Asia and to think that most structures there date back to only 20th century with the exception of San Agustin and some parts of the walls and ruins.

^^

By all means, Intramuros is not a Renaissance city, which would have been an open city, with wide, open spaces.

Historians have even noted that the circular plan employed in the Fortress of de Guia ( older sections of Bastion de San Diego ) was an old, and obsolete fortification.

Based on the characteristics of the original 1590 plan for Intramuros, it would have the characteristics of a Medieval city. And travellers have often described them as such, with one commenting that he was transported back to the Dark Ages when he stepped into the city in the 19th-century.

It is not Renaissance and no one has called it a Renaissance inspired fort.

The closest Renaissance inspired structure I can think of in Manila would be the main building of The Royal Pontifical University of Santo Tomas.

If you don't know Animo, he gets a bit carried away with the Spanish heritage in the Philippines and gets exaggerated a bit but hey nothing wrong with it. If he feels that way so let it be, Im just voicing my opinion, that's all.

^^

By all means, Intramuros is not a Renaissance city, which would have been an open city, with wide, open spaces.

Historians have even noted that the circular plan employed in the Fortress of de Guia ( older sections of Bastion de San Diego ) was an old, and obsolete fortification.

Based on the characteristics of the original 1590 plan for Intramuros, it would have the characteristics of a Medieval city. And travellers have often described them as such, with one commenting that he was transported back to the Dark Ages when he stepped into the city in the 19th-century.

It is not Renaissance and no one has called it a Renaissance inspired fort.

The closest Renaissance inspired structure I can think of in Manila would be the main building of The Royal Pontifical University of Santo Tomas.

If you don't know Animo, he gets a bit carried away with the Spanish heritage in the Philippines and gets exaggerated a bit but hey nothing wrong with it. If he feels that way so let it be, Im just voicing my opinion, that's all.

According to Dodong Rama, assistant to Padre Gallende (head of San Agustin Museum and Church) the church facade and walls are undergoing renovation under the funds of NCCA.

They mixed the paint with the palitada.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/3098405370_919fe32baa_b.jpg

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/1/photos/280/1200x1200/22/Manilalight18.jpg?et=FicxFIzyOaqIlUsWAOT1XA&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/280/600x600/24/Manilalight16.jpg?et=xilDuk09qSz5LvwRZfl9Mg&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/280/600x600/25/Manilalight12.jpg?et=hZHs%2B2rBYdATIG%2CTbOetNg&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/280/600x600/26/Manilalight13.jpg?et=WxKsBB0ybK9z3P7Y94feUQ&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/1/photos/280/600x600/27/Manilalight14.jpg?et=SMKEcB6wGg3Jk9%2B9bX%2CZ%2Cw&nmid=145430811

In contrast with this pictures I took last summer 2008:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2526114801_220767e4e5_b.jpg

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/173/600x600/10/SanAg00010.jpg?et=6LaC5do2rAk11EMoN9f9EQ&nmid=97791978

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/173/600x600/4/SanAg00004.jpg?et=Rpl4ewQXW%2BdUyBA6Dkrnbw&nmid=97791978

According to Dodong Rama, assistant to Padre Gallende (head of San Agustin Museum and Church) the church facade and walls are undergoing renovation under the funds of NCCA.

They mixed the paint with the palitada.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/3098405370_919fe32baa_b.jpg

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/1/photos/280/1200x1200/22/Manilalight18.jpg?et=FicxFIzyOaqIlUsWAOT1XA&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/280/600x600/24/Manilalight16.jpg?et=xilDuk09qSz5LvwRZfl9Mg&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/280/600x600/25/Manilalight12.jpg?et=hZHs%2B2rBYdATIG%2CTbOetNg&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/280/600x600/26/Manilalight13.jpg?et=WxKsBB0ybK9z3P7Y94feUQ&nmid=145430811

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/1/photos/280/600x600/27/Manilalight14.jpg?et=SMKEcB6wGg3Jk9%2B9bX%2CZ%2Cw&nmid=145430811

In contrast with this pictures I took last summer 2008:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2526114801_220767e4e5_b.jpg

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/173/600x600/10/SanAg00010.jpg?et=6LaC5do2rAk11EMoN9f9EQ&nmid=97791978

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/173/600x600/4/SanAg00004.jpg?et=Rpl4ewQXW%2BdUyBA6Dkrnbw&nmid=97791978

^^^^Nice and clean but for how long? It would be nice if they keep up with the maintenance or better yet ban the motor vehicles in the area. We all know that one of the culprits on the unhealthy air pollution in Manila are caused by motor vehicles. At least try to keep them away from the church. It will not totally wipe out soot caused by these motor vehicles but at least it will lessen the impact of it on the church facade and the area itself.

^^^^Nice and clean but for how long? It would be nice if they keep up with the maintenance or better yet ban the motor vehicles in the area. We all know that one of the culprits on the unhealthy air pollution in Manila are caused by motor vehicles. At least try to keep them away from the church. It will not totally wipe out soot caused by these motor vehicles but at least it will lessen the impact of it on the church facade and the area itself.

I think the term "medieval" as a term to sometimes describe Intramuros is more of form than substance. The fact that it is called "Intramuros" or within the walls harks back when cities where walled for protection. European cities like Vienna and Frankfurt demolished their walls, I believe during the age of Enlightenment as compared to Intramurios whose draw bridges where still raised at night as late as the middle of the 19th century.

So by form, narrow cobbledstone streets (some even unpaved), the predominance of churches and chapels together with the religious houses, whose only form of relief or entertainment was said to be religious in nature like processions, even some of the defense canons where said to be antiquated, etc. So I believe in this sense of the word, being in form the term "medieval" is used as an adjective to describe Intramuros and not based on the strict sense of time lines.

IMO, it's both form and substance. The conditions prevailing in the then colonial Philippines was a far cry from what was happening in Europe. It's medieval because the culture and society that was existing and that shaped those structures were medieval in spirit. It is after all, the milieu which gave rise to these distinct eras. Japan's Medieval era for example is said to have lasted longer than that of Europe because the feudal lords continued to hold their sway over Japanese society even after Europe has already started to blossom into the Renaissance. The prominence of religion and feudal political relationships characterized the environment in the Philippines then so it can be rightfully called medieval.

I think the term "medieval" as a term to sometimes describe Intramuros is more of form than substance. The fact that it is called "Intramuros" or within the walls harks back when cities where walled for protection. European cities like Vienna and Frankfurt demolished their walls, I believe during the age of Enlightenment as compared to Intramurios whose draw bridges where still raised at night as late as the middle of the 19th century.

So by form, narrow cobbledstone streets (some even unpaved), the predominance of churches and chapels together with the religious houses, whose only form of relief or entertainment was said to be religious in nature like processions, even some of the defense canons where said to be antiquated, etc. So I believe in this sense of the word, being in form the term "medieval" is used as an adjective to describe Intramuros and not based on the strict sense of time lines.

IMO, it's both form and substance. The conditions prevailing in the then colonial Philippines was a far cry from what was happening in Europe. It's medieval because the culture and society that was existing and that shaped those structures were medieval in spirit. It is after all, the milieu which gave rise to these distinct eras. Japan's Medieval era for example is said to have lasted longer than that of Europe because the feudal lords continued to hold their sway over Japanese society even after Europe has already started to blossom into the Renaissance. The prominence of religion and feudal political relationships characterized the environment in the Philippines then so it can be rightfully called medieval.

^^^^Nice and clean but for how long? It would be nice if they keep up with the maintenance or better yet ban the motor vehicles in the area. We all know that one of the culprits on the unhealthy air pollution in Manila are caused by motor vehicles. At least try to keep them away from the church. It will not totally wipe out soot caused by these motor vehicles but at least it will lessen the impact of it on the church facade and the area itself.
Like what they did to the Taj Mahal...Banning motorized vehicles within the 500 meter radius I think...

It is one way in maintaining the clean new look...but sometimes, we owe the elements in its "old" fading beauty...

^^^^Nice and clean but for how long? It would be nice if they keep up with the maintenance or better yet ban the motor vehicles in the area. We all know that one of the culprits on the unhealthy air pollution in Manila are caused by motor vehicles. At least try to keep them away from the church. It will not totally wipe out soot caused by these motor vehicles but at least it will lessen the impact of it on the church facade and the area itself.
Like what they did to the Taj Mahal...Banning motorized vehicles within the 500 meter radius I think...

It is one way in maintaining the clean new look...but sometimes, we owe the elements in its "old" fading beauty...

:cheers: Personally, I wouldnt thik it's medieval nor renaissance! Intramuros would be more of Tudor of Elizabethan as Medieval would be to early and dark and Renaissance would also be just a little bit early. Well Elizabethan architecture would be more in stone yet still indicates early traces of baroque, in our case "earthquake" baroque since in the presence of earthquakes normal proportions of the ornate baroque infrastuctures were either doubled or fortified losing all the intricate designs. As for Medieval, I would assume this period as being too dark and way to early, and as i know, in the medieval times, Gothic architecture was more prominent and celebrated and if intramuros would be medieval, we would probably see more gargoyles. And for renaissance, it would also be just a little bit early, as renaissance would be during the times or Leonardo da vinci, or romeo and juliet, and also, renaissance architecture would be more italian rather than the greek rurual influenced architecture obviously seen in intamuros. Though it seems to bother me why there's so little activity witin intramuros around the whole of the 17th century ans this period "baroque" would be the most beautiful and influential periods around the time intramuros was at it's infancy and had tremendous potential as being baroque. :cheers:

:cheers: Personally, I wouldnt thik it's medieval nor renaissance! Intramuros would be more of Tudor of Elizabethan as Medieval would be to early and dark and Renaissance would also be just a little bit early. Well Elizabethan architecture would be more in stone yet still indicates early traces of baroque, in our case "earthquake" baroque since in the presence of earthquakes normal proportions of the ornate baroque infrastuctures were either doubled or fortified losing all the intricate designs. As for Medieval, I would assume this period as being too dark and way to early, and as i know, in the medieval times, Gothic architecture was more prominent and celebrated and if intramuros would be medieval, we would probably see more gargoyles. And for renaissance, it would also be just a little bit early, as renaissance would be during the times or Leonardo da vinci, or romeo and juliet, and also, renaissance architecture would be more italian rather than the greek rurual influenced architecture obviously seen in intamuros. Though it seems to bother me why there's so little activity witin intramuros around the whole of the 17th century ans this period "baroque" would be the most beautiful and influential periods around the time intramuros was at it's infancy and had tremendous potential as being baroque. :cheers:

Who said it at the first place that it was medieval. Intramuros is neither medieval nor renaisance because both of the term applied exist in times when Intramuros does not even exist yet or even founded. Manila was founded in 1574 a time when Renaisance was already fading in Europe. Manila is more like a well preserved 16th century colonial city just like Havana, San Juan and Cartagena de indias. Cities that still sorrounded by well preserved wall and colonial buildings. Intramuros is more likey at the boroque or a rococo styles period when its several churches and convents and palaces were design after. Nowaday we can't even callled Intramuros a well preserved colonial city because most of its prestige were lost during the last years of ww2 with the exception of San Agustin church which is a reminicense of its former glory. Today, most of the structured in Intramuros were rebuilt, some correctly and some are not. Several important building are still in ruined waiting to be restored to its former glory.

Who said it at the first place that it was medieval. Intramuros is neither medieval nor renaisance because both of the term applied exist in times when Intramuros does not even exist yet or even founded. Manila was founded in 1574 a time when Renaisance was already fading in Europe. Manila is more like a well preserved 16th century colonial city just like Havana, San Juan and Cartagena de indias. Cities that still sorrounded by well preserved wall and colonial buildings. Intramuros is more likey at the boroque or a rococo styles period when its several churches and convents and palaces were design after. Nowaday we can't even callled Intramuros a well preserved colonial city because most of its prestige were lost during the last years of ww2 with the exception of San Agustin church which is a reminicense of its former glory. Today, most of the structured in Intramuros were rebuilt, some correctly and some are not. Several important building are still in ruined waiting to be restored to its former glory.

It is not Renaissance and no one has called it a Renaissance inspired fort.

The closest Renaissance inspired structure I can think of in Manila would be the main building of The Royal Pontifical University of Santo Tomas.

If you don't know Animo, he gets a bit carried away with the Spanish heritage in the Philippines and gets exaggerated a bit but hey nothing wrong with it. If he feels that way so let it be, Im just voicing my opinion, that's all.

Same here :) !

The closest Renaissance-inspired structure in Manila is the Gota de Leche building in Sampaloc, a UNESCO Asia-Pacific awardee (runner up).

Structurally, UST is modern but it does not also possess a Renaissance feel.

It is not Renaissance and no one has called it a Renaissance inspired fort.

The closest Renaissance inspired structure I can think of in Manila would be the main building of The Royal Pontifical University of Santo Tomas.

If you don't know Animo, he gets a bit carried away with the Spanish heritage in the Philippines and gets exaggerated a bit but hey nothing wrong with it. If he feels that way so let it be, Im just voicing my opinion, that's all.

Same here :) !

The closest Renaissance-inspired structure in Manila is the Gota de Leche building in Sampaloc, a UNESCO Asia-Pacific awardee (runner up).

Structurally, UST is modern but it does not also possess a Renaissance feel.

There's a building within the PGH compound, the one at the corner of Taft Ave. and Padre Faura St. (across/adjacent to the Supreme Court from Padre Faura St.) that looks Renaissance inspired in design.

There's a building within the PGH compound, the one at the corner of Taft Ave. and Padre Faura St. (across/adjacent to the Supreme Court from Padre Faura St.) that looks Renaissance inspired in design.

There's a building within the PGH compound, the one at the corner of Taft Ave. and Padre Faura St. (across/adjacent to the Supreme Court from Padre Faura St.) that looks Renaissance inspired in design.

^^

The Nurses' Home, which I think was designed by Mapua.

There's a building within the PGH compound, the one at the corner of Taft Ave. and Padre Faura St. (across/adjacent to the Supreme Court from Padre Faura St.) that looks Renaissance inspired in design.

^^

The Nurses' Home, which I think was designed by Mapua.

IMO, it's both form and substance. The conditions prevailing in the then colonial Philippines was a far cry from what was happening in Europe. It's medieval because the culture and society that was existing and that shaped those structures were medieval in spirit. It is after all, the milieu which gave rise to these distinct eras. Japan's Medieval era for example is said to have lasted longer than that of Europe because the feudal lords continued to hold their sway over Japanese society even after Europe has already started to blossom into the Renaissance. The prominence of religion and feudal political relationships characterized the environment in the Philippines then so it can be rightfully called medieval.

I agree with you Icarus. The Philippines was more of a medieval era society. It is true that Intramuros is not a "medieval" structure but its essence was very much so during that time.

IMO, it's both form and substance. The conditions prevailing in the then colonial Philippines was a far cry from what was happening in Europe. It's medieval because the culture and society that was existing and that shaped those structures were medieval in spirit. It is after all, the milieu which gave rise to these distinct eras. Japan's Medieval era for example is said to have lasted longer than that of Europe because the feudal lords continued to hold their sway over Japanese society even after Europe has already started to blossom into the Renaissance. The prominence of religion and feudal political relationships characterized the environment in the Philippines then so it can be rightfully called medieval.

I agree with you Icarus. The Philippines was more of a medieval era society. It is true that Intramuros is not a "medieval" structure but its essence was very much so during that time.

Same here :) !

The closest Renaissance-inspired structure in Manila is the Gota de Leche building in Sampaloc, a UNESCO Asia-Pacific awardee (runner up).

Structurally, UST is modern but it does not also possess a Renaissance feel.

UST Main Building is a Renaissance INSPIRED structure. Here is an example of a Renaissance building in England.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jbkayaker12/Sept%2008/pic112.jpg

Same here :) !

The closest Renaissance-inspired structure in Manila is the Gota de Leche building in Sampaloc, a UNESCO Asia-Pacific awardee (runner up).

Structurally, UST is modern but it does not also possess a Renaissance feel.

UST Main Building is a Renaissance INSPIRED structure. Here is an example of a Renaissance building in England.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jbkayaker12/Sept%2008/pic112.jpg

Hurray for the trend of periodization of Philippine historiography! :colgate:

I just wonder why Philippine historiography has this "orientalist" tendencies in periodization..categorizing Philippine history in Western world's standards is very traditional and antiquarian, IMO and most opinions of Philippine historians of today.

Here's a classic example:
Pre-Hispanic Philippines = Ancient
Spanish colonial era = Medieval/Middle ages
Late Spanish era to Philippine Revolution = Renaissance & Enlightenment combined
American colonial era = Industrial Revolution
Japanese Colonial Years = World War (well, obviously Philippines was)
Beyond 1946 = Modern Era

But it would be different in the case of art history as it may correspond with the "mother country's" trend in art and architecture merged with native elements.

Hurray for the trend of periodization of Philippine historiography! :colgate:

I just wonder why Philippine historiography has this "orientalist" tendencies in periodization..categorizing Philippine history in Western world's standards is very traditional and antiquarian, IMO and most opinions of Philippine historians of today.

Here's a classic example:
Pre-Hispanic Philippines = Ancient
Spanish colonial era = Medieval/Middle ages
Late Spanish era to Philippine Revolution = Renaissance & Enlightenment combined
American colonial era = Industrial Revolution
Japanese Colonial Years = World War (well, obviously Philippines was)
Beyond 1946 = Modern Era

But it would be different in the case of art history as it may correspond with the "mother country's" trend in art and architecture merged with native elements.

^^ Orientalist or occidentalist? The Orient means the East, right? And you wanted to say that periodization tend to follow a Western model.

^^ Orientalist or occidentalist? The Orient means the East, right? And you wanted to say that periodization tend to follow a Western model.

^^ Yes, but the definition can be switched into if we are to be strict in historiography.
Pwede syang baliktarin sa case na ito...

^^ Yes, but the definition can be switched into if we are to be strict in historiography.
Pwede syang baliktarin sa case na ito...

^^ Yes, but the definition can be switched into if we are to be strict in historiography.
Pwede syang baliktarin sa case na ito...

When you say "classic" does it refer to viewing history with a western (or colonizing country's) viewpoint or eastern (the colonized country's viewpoint)? :dunno:

^^ Yes, but the definition can be switched into if we are to be strict in historiography.
Pwede syang baliktarin sa case na ito...

When you say "classic" does it refer to viewing history with a western (or colonizing country's) viewpoint or eastern (the colonized country's viewpoint)? :dunno:

^^ In current mainstream historiography, yes it is. Historiography as we know it banks heavily in Western thoughts and ideals. But every local historiography now has its own option of whether they should go periodization or not.

The former colonized countries' historiography is somehow different from the colonists' scenario. That is why sometimes we cannot just follow the Western tradition of historiography of periodization..This is as far as I've learned...

^^ In current mainstream historiography, yes it is. Historiography as we know it banks heavily in Western thoughts and ideals. But every local historiography now has its own option of whether they should go periodization or not.

The former colonized countries' historiography is somehow different from the colonists' scenario. That is why sometimes we cannot just follow the Western tradition of historiography of periodization..This is as far as I've learned...

^^ In current mainstream historiography, yes it is. Historiography as we know it banks heavily in Western thoughts and ideals. But every local historiography now has its own option of whether they should go with periodization or not.

Please correct me then if I'm mistaken because I feel mixed up:

(1) The "classic" viewpoint tends to view history from a westerner's perspective. Is the term for this kind of perspective "Occidentalist"?

(2) The new trend is for Philippine histiriography to be viewed from a local perspective. It need not follow the periodization set by the West. Is it therefore called "Orientalist"? :dunno:

^^ In current mainstream historiography, yes it is. Historiography as we know it banks heavily in Western thoughts and ideals. But every local historiography now has its own option of whether they should go with periodization or not.

Please correct me then if I'm mistaken because I feel mixed up:

(1) The "classic" viewpoint tends to view history from a westerner's perspective. Is the term for this kind of perspective "Occidentalist"?

(2) The new trend is for Philippine histiriography to be viewed from a local perspective. It need not follow the periodization set by the West. Is it therefore called "Orientalist"? :dunno:

UST Main Building is a Renaissance INSPIRED structure. Here is an example of a Renaissance building in England.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jbkayaker12/Sept%2008/pic112.jpg

Well at some stand point, I must say I must agree, there really is a powerful renaissance feel to the UST main building but i must say it has more ART deco in it simply because of those things on the rooftop of the building, what are they supposed to be? something to prevent earthquakes? Also, it's neither baroque nor renaissance because of its simplicity, it it were renaissance there would be mor ornamentations on the windows and more intricacy in the pilastes well let's just compare: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3820/800pxustmainbldgfacadekg4.jpg the ust main building. they should really remove the plants above the entrance.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3133/800pxversailleschateauvfy4.jpg http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4844/800pxversaillesfacadejakf9.jpg and the palace of versailles! a gem of the architectural world! There are indeed a lot in common but as a baroque structure, UST may have some issues. As for renaissance, well, it's hard to see based on comparrison...http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4738/800pxamboiselechateauzd1.jpg (a renaissance building in the loire valley) around 1500, to the ealy 1700s. That's why i think UST is more art deco.

UST Main Building is a Renaissance INSPIRED structure. Here is an example of a Renaissance building in England.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jbkayaker12/Sept%2008/pic112.jpg

Well at some stand point, I must say I must agree, there really is a powerful renaissance feel to the UST main building but i must say it has more ART deco in it simply because of those things on the rooftop of the building, what are they supposed to be? something to prevent earthquakes? Also, it's neither baroque nor renaissance because of its simplicity, it it were renaissance there would be mor ornamentations on the windows and more intricacy in the pilastes well let's just compare: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3820/800pxustmainbldgfacadekg4.jpg the ust main building. they should really remove the plants above the entrance.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3133/800pxversailleschateauvfy4.jpg http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4844/800pxversaillesfacadejakf9.jpg and the palace of versailles! a gem of the architectural world! There are indeed a lot in common but as a baroque structure, UST may have some issues. As for renaissance, well, it's hard to see based on comparrison...http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4738/800pxamboiselechateauzd1.jpg (a renaissance building in the loire valley) around 1500, to the ealy 1700s. That's why i think UST is more art deco.

Please correct me then if I'm mistaken because I feel mixed up:

(1) The "classic" viewpoint tends to view history from a westerner's perspective. Is the term for this kind of perspective "Occidentalist"?

(2) The new trend is for Philippine histiriography to be viewed from a local perspective. It need not follow the periodization set by the West. Is it therefore called "Orientalist"? :dunno:
Just to avoid confusion...Anything that is related in measuring or comparing Eastern culture to the Western standards is called "Orientalism" or vice-versa. Again, this term may vary as the historians have no common consensus of the said idea that was popularized by Edward Said.

The "Classical Historiography" on the other hand has a perspective that is banking on the Western ideas and philosophies, therefore having the tendency to apply its its hegemonic concepts towards non-Western historiographies, therefore some historians would accuse this also as an act of "Orientalism."

Philippine historiography's trend nowadays on the other hand, is banking towards its own perspective, it may have harsh sentiments against its colonizers (nationalist perspective like that of Agoncillo and Constantino) or positivist (neutral stance/history is value free or doesn't have harsh sentiments against the colonizers).

Geez, parang review ito sa History201 ko...nosebleed! :lol: But please do correct me if I'm wrong because this is as far as I remembered in my class.

Please correct me then if I'm mistaken because I feel mixed up:

(1) The "classic" viewpoint tends to view history from a westerner's perspective. Is the term for this kind of perspective "Occidentalist"?

(2) The new trend is for Philippine histiriography to be viewed from a local perspective. It need not follow the periodization set by the West. Is it therefore called "Orientalist"? :dunno:
Just to avoid confusion...Anything that is related in measuring or comparing Eastern culture to the Western standards is called "Orientalism" or vice-versa. Again, this term may vary as the historians have no common consensus of the said idea that was popularized by Edward Said.

The "Classical Historiography" on the other hand has a perspective that is banking on the Western ideas and philosophies, therefore having the tendency to apply its its hegemonic concepts towards non-Western historiographies, therefore some historians would accuse this also as an act of "Orientalism."

Philippine historiography's trend nowadays on the other hand, is banking towards its own perspective, it may have harsh sentiments against its colonizers (nationalist perspective like that of Agoncillo and Constantino) or positivist (neutral stance/history is value free or doesn't have harsh sentiments against the colonizers).

Geez, parang review ito sa History201 ko...nosebleed! :lol: But please do correct me if I'm wrong because this is as far as I remembered in my class.

^^ I see. Thanks, Berns. I think the expression "vice-versa" is misleading because as thought up by Edward Said, the relationship between the two isn't equal. "Orientalism" as conceptualized by Edward Said tends to view Eastern history, culture and society as something "different" (actually more like "otherworldly") from that of the West. With West ideas and philosophies as the standard, it also views anything non-Western as being inferior to the cultures and peoples of the West.

The term "Occidentalism" is a more recent construct and regards the culture of the West, primarily Europe and the English-speaking world, as dehumanizing and destructive.

Going back to the topic of the thread, you're in fact saying that based on classical histiriography, some would agree to calling Intramuros as medieval. Others would disagree on the matter since they would want to use other benchmarks.

^^ I see. Thanks, Berns. I think the expression "vice-versa" is misleading because as thought up by Edward Said, the relationship between the two isn't equal. "Orientalism" as conceptualized by Edward Said tends to view Eastern history, culture and society as something "different" (actually more like "otherworldly") from that of the West. With West ideas and philosophies as the standard, it also views anything non-Western as being inferior to the cultures and peoples of the West.

The term "Occidentalism" is a more recent construct and regards the culture of the West, primarily Europe and the English-speaking world, as dehumanizing and destructive.

Going back to the topic of the thread, you're in fact saying that based on classical histiriography, some would agree to calling Intramuros as medieval. Others would disagree on the matter since they would want to use other benchmarks.

^^ Nag-research talaga eh...Hehe!! Thanks for brushing up my historiography knowledge every now and then...minsan nagiging fragmented na lang ang mga topics na pinag-aralan namin dati...:)

Anyway, I would prefer stating Intramuros as "Spanish colonial Manila", Lawton, Luneta and Escolta as "Americal colonial Manila" and the rest the "Philippine Manila" if we are to base it in architectural history.

Intramuros may be medieval if we put this on Western standards (moat, walled city, lifestyle) but its different for the indios or the colonized.

Again, in Philippine historiography, there is still no consensus yet regarding periodization as based on the Western mainstream historiography (e.g. Medieval, Rennaisance, etc.) and as much as possible pa nga eh veer away from this "classical concept of historiography." But they do periodization as based on major events that the archipelago experienced (e.g. Pre-Hispanic, Spanish colonial, Philippine Revolution, American colonial/Commonwealth Era, Japanese Occupation, Second Republic, Martial Law/Marcos Era, Post-Marcos Era and so on).

I think one of the main aims of periodization is to classify and organize the events in history and culture.

So basically, nobody is wrong with their arguments as the basis for the periodization of Intramuros if we are to apply this in historiography in general, but if we are to add up the notion of "Orientalism/Occidentalism" then perspectives may change.

Spain or Europe in general have a different experience in history if we are to compare it with the Philippines.

^^ Nag-research talaga eh...Hehe!! Thanks for brushing up my historiography knowledge every now and then...minsan nagiging fragmented na lang ang mga topics na pinag-aralan namin dati...:)

Anyway, I would prefer stating Intramuros as "Spanish colonial Manila", Lawton, Luneta and Escolta as "Americal colonial Manila" and the rest the "Philippine Manila" if we are to base it in architectural history.

Intramuros may be medieval if we put this on Western standards (moat, walled city, lifestyle) but its different for the indios or the colonized.

Again, in Philippine historiography, there is still no consensus yet regarding periodization as based on the Western mainstream historiography (e.g. Medieval, Rennaisance, etc.) and as much as possible pa nga eh veer away from this "classical concept of historiography." But they do periodization as based on major events that the archipelago experienced (e.g. Pre-Hispanic, Spanish colonial, Philippine Revolution, American colonial/Commonwealth Era, Japanese Occupation, Second Republic, Martial Law/Marcos Era, Post-Marcos Era and so on).

I think one of the main aims of periodization is to classify and organize the events in history and culture.

So basically, nobody is wrong with their arguments as the basis for the periodization of Intramuros if we are to apply this in historiography in general, but if we are to add up the notion of "Orientalism/Occidentalism" then perspectives may change.

Spain or Europe in general have a different experience in history if we are to compare it with the Philippines.

Well at some stand point, I must say I must agree, there really is a powerful renaissance feel to the UST main building but i must say it has more ART deco in it simply because of those things on the rooftop of the building, what are they supposed to be? something to prevent earthquakes? Also, it's neither baroque nor renaissance because of its simplicity, it it were renaissance there would be mor ornamentations on the windows and more intricacy in the pilastes well let's just compare: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3820/800pxustmainbldgfacadekg4.jpg the ust main building. they should really remove the plants above the entrance.


If you look closely at the main building of UST it has very similar geometrical patterns with that of the English Renaissance building, more noticeably are the windows with its symmetry. Ornamentation are not as vulgar or in your face which can also be seen with the English Renaissance building. Overall it definitely has more Renaissance feel to it and most definitely NOT Baroque.

Well at some stand point, I must say I must agree, there really is a powerful renaissance feel to the UST main building but i must say it has more ART deco in it simply because of those things on the rooftop of the building, what are they supposed to be? something to prevent earthquakes? Also, it's neither baroque nor renaissance because of its simplicity, it it were renaissance there would be mor ornamentations on the windows and more intricacy in the pilastes well let's just compare: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3820/800pxustmainbldgfacadekg4.jpg the ust main building. they should really remove the plants above the entrance.


If you look closely at the main building of UST it has very similar geometrical patterns with that of the English Renaissance building, more noticeably are the windows with its symmetry. Ornamentation are not as vulgar or in your face which can also be seen with the English Renaissance building. Overall it definitely has more Renaissance feel to it and most definitely NOT Baroque.

Here is a brief description of Renaissance architecture.

"Common features of Renaissance Revival houses are: square plans; balanced, symmetrical façade; smooth stone walls, made from finely-cut ashlar; low-pitched hip roof; full roofline entablature topped with balustrade; horizontal stone banding between floors; segmental pediments; centrally located doors; ornately-carved stone window trim varying in design at each story; smaller square windows on top floor; and quoins."

Here is a brief description of Renaissance architecture.

"Common features of Renaissance Revival houses are: square plans; balanced, symmetrical façade; smooth stone walls, made from finely-cut ashlar; low-pitched hip roof; full roofline entablature topped with balustrade; horizontal stone banding between floors; segmental pediments; centrally located doors; ornately-carved stone window trim varying in design at each story; smaller square windows on top floor; and quoins."

A sketch of a Renaissance style building taken from an architecture book I have at home.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jbkayaker12/Sept%2008/ren1.jpg

A sketch of a Renaissance style building taken from an architecture book I have at home.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jbkayaker12/Sept%2008/ren1.jpg

Sino palang art historian/architecture student or architect dito? Maybe he could give us some glimpse on designs in the Philippine setting?

Sino palang art historian/architecture student or architect dito? Maybe he could give us some glimpse on designs in the Philippine setting?

Sino palang art historian/architecture student or architect dito? Maybe he could give us some glimpse on designs in the Philippine setting?

oh so? maybe these would help! these were actually, plans around intramuros for the 16th to 18th century! with some comparissons towards other wealth of achitecture the world has to offer. well obviously, these plans were actually more true towards the whole european city thing, but sadly saying :ohno: what we see now is blasphemy to all the wealth of the history and culture that intramuros gave to the philippines. actually, it was also called "nuevo castille" at one time, i think nuevo castille would be the name intramuros deserves:lol:
FIRST: the ever great, manila cathedral! wow! it really changed and the current cathedral, would be the worst.http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8616/ccfeve9.jpg the cathedral sometime in the 1850s the palacio del gobernador to the left, but does someone know that ornate stucture of arches to the left?
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2449/475pxilgesubg2.jpg a cathedral in europe. the design was said to have popularized baroque
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8159/p17ima16xs3.jpg the current design of the cathedral only, since after the damege in WW2, the design right now is more of a group of a million flaws!http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4797/p17ima14hl2.jpg well, i really like this design of only they'd follow this one, though i would also suggest having the third tower to the left so it's three spires all in all!

Sino palang art historian/architecture student or architect dito? Maybe he could give us some glimpse on designs in the Philippine setting?

oh so? maybe these would help! these were actually, plans around intramuros for the 16th to 18th century! with some comparissons towards other wealth of achitecture the world has to offer. well obviously, these plans were actually more true towards the whole european city thing, but sadly saying :ohno: what we see now is blasphemy to all the wealth of the history and culture that intramuros gave to the philippines. actually, it was also called "nuevo castille" at one time, i think nuevo castille would be the name intramuros deserves:lol:
FIRST: the ever great, manila cathedral! wow! it really changed and the current cathedral, would be the worst.http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8616/ccfeve9.jpg the cathedral sometime in the 1850s the palacio del gobernador to the left, but does someone know that ornate stucture of arches to the left?
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2449/475pxilgesubg2.jpg a cathedral in europe. the design was said to have popularized baroque
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8159/p17ima16xs3.jpg the current design of the cathedral only, since after the damege in WW2, the design right now is more of a group of a million flaws!http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4797/p17ima14hl2.jpg well, i really like this design of only they'd follow this one, though i would also suggest having the third tower to the left so it's three spires all in all!

What more pa sa Palacio del Governardor and Ayuntamiento na parang wala sa sarili nya. The former is a mid-rise competing with Manila Cathedral's skyline, the latter is just a parking lot. To think of it, these two are the most prominent buildings in secular colonial Manila government.

What more pa sa Palacio del Governardor and Ayuntamiento na parang wala sa sarili nya. The former is a mid-rise competing with Manila Cathedral's skyline, the latter is just a parking lot. To think of it, these two are the most prominent buildings in secular colonial Manila government.

oh so? maybe these would help! these were actually, plans around intramuros for the 16th to 18th century! with some comparissons towards other wealth of achitecture the world has to offer. well obviously, these plans were actually more true towards the whole european city thing, but sadly saying :ohno: what we see now is blasphemy to all the wealth of the history and culture that intramuros gave to the philippines. actually, it was also called "nuevo castille" at one time, i think nuevo castille would be the name intramuros deserves:lol:
FIRST: the ever great, manila cathedral! wow! it really changed and the current cathedral, would be the worst.the cathedral sometime in the 1850s the palacio del gobernador to the left, but does someone know that ornate stucture of arches to the left?
a cathedral in europe. the design was said to have popularized baroque
the current design of the cathedral only, since after the damege in WW2, the design right now is more of a group of a million flaws! well, i really like this design of only they'd follow this one, though i would also suggest having the third tower to the left so it's three spires all in all!

The picture shows the Cathedral in the middle, the building with an arcade at the left side of the picture is the Ayuntamiento, known as the Casas Consistoriales at hat time. The building to the right is the Palacio del Governador.

oh so? maybe these would help! these were actually, plans around intramuros for the 16th to 18th century! with some comparissons towards other wealth of achitecture the world has to offer. well obviously, these plans were actually more true towards the whole european city thing, but sadly saying :ohno: what we see now is blasphemy to all the wealth of the history and culture that intramuros gave to the philippines. actually, it was also called "nuevo castille" at one time, i think nuevo castille would be the name intramuros deserves:lol:
FIRST: the ever great, manila cathedral! wow! it really changed and the current cathedral, would be the worst.the cathedral sometime in the 1850s the palacio del gobernador to the left, but does someone know that ornate stucture of arches to the left?
a cathedral in europe. the design was said to have popularized baroque
the current design of the cathedral only, since after the damege in WW2, the design right now is more of a group of a million flaws! well, i really like this design of only they'd follow this one, though i would also suggest having the third tower to the left so it's three spires all in all!

The picture shows the Cathedral in the middle, the building with an arcade at the left side of the picture is the Ayuntamiento, known as the Casas Consistoriales at hat time. The building to the right is the Palacio del Governador.

I agree binaboy talaga ng gobyerno ng maynila ang intramuros ibang iba na kasi ang itsura nya kung i compare natin dati!:ohno: parking lot na nga pala yung ayuntamiento pero it's still has it's facade diba? pati na rin yung aduana halos kumpleto pa nga yung facade nyan. as for the palacio del gobernador,:ohno::ohno::ohno: naku! ano ba yan? yuck! that's all i can say! sayang! dapat we filipinos should preserve our heritage ourselves total nasa kamay naman natin eh! yung iba kasing mga pinoy puro pag-aanak lang yung laman ng utak nila! somehow, it's our fault din! we leave all the responsibility to the government even though they no longer have the people's trust!:ohno: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5267/219967086339c4c239c1bedwt8.jpg meron palang clock tower yung ayuntamiento at parang buckingham palace yung palacio del gobernador noon!

I agree binaboy talaga ng gobyerno ng maynila ang intramuros ibang iba na kasi ang itsura nya kung i compare natin dati!:ohno: parking lot na nga pala yung ayuntamiento pero it's still has it's facade diba? pati na rin yung aduana halos kumpleto pa nga yung facade nyan. as for the palacio del gobernador,:ohno::ohno::ohno: naku! ano ba yan? yuck! that's all i can say! sayang! dapat we filipinos should preserve our heritage ourselves total nasa kamay naman natin eh! yung iba kasing mga pinoy puro pag-aanak lang yung laman ng utak nila! somehow, it's our fault din! we leave all the responsibility to the government even though they no longer have the people's trust!:ohno: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5267/219967086339c4c239c1bedwt8.jpg meron palang clock tower yung ayuntamiento at parang buckingham palace yung palacio del gobernador noon!

Well, i've been planning on uploading these anyway:lol:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9014/p19ima3px1.jpg
By amitaliri (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/amitaliri) at 2008-12-15 plans for the aduana. ngayon, still standing pa ata yung exterior ng building kaso, it still needs major reconstruction.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9853/p19ima1gl4.jpg
the plans for the ayuntamiento! as i know, meron pang remnants yung original building, pero it still needs to be reconstructed!
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/672/p19ima2ab5.jpg and the plns for the palacio del goberndor! it's vere palatial:lol: anyway, mababaliw ata ako kung i compare ko ito sa :nuts: current reconstruction! obviously, reconstruction of these 3 buildings had some major issues!:cheers:

Well, i've been planning on uploading these anyway:lol:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9014/p19ima3px1.jpg
By amitaliri (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/amitaliri) at 2008-12-15 plans for the aduana. ngayon, still standing pa ata yung exterior ng building kaso, it still needs major reconstruction.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9853/p19ima1gl4.jpg
the plans for the ayuntamiento! as i know, meron pang remnants yung original building, pero it still needs to be reconstructed!
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/672/p19ima2ab5.jpg and the plns for the palacio del goberndor! it's vere palatial:lol: anyway, mababaliw ata ako kung i compare ko ito sa :nuts: current reconstruction! obviously, reconstruction of these 3 buildings had some major issues!:cheers:

If you look closely at the main building of UST it has very similar geometrical patterns with that of the English Renaissance building, more noticeably are the windows with its symmetry. Ornamentation are not as vulgar or in your face which can also be seen with the English Renaissance building. Overall it definitely has more Renaissance feel to it and most definitely NOT Baroque.

Okay! i agree I do see renaissance aspects with the tower! pero what's bothering me are those things on the roof of the building! what are they awnings? because they remind me of the CCP:cheers:

If you look closely at the main building of UST it has very similar geometrical patterns with that of the English Renaissance building, more noticeably are the windows with its symmetry. Ornamentation are not as vulgar or in your face which can also be seen with the English Renaissance building. Overall it definitely has more Renaissance feel to it and most definitely NOT Baroque.

Okay! i agree I do see renaissance aspects with the tower! pero what's bothering me are those things on the roof of the building! what are they awnings? because they remind me of the CCP:cheers:

The government had been planning to restore the Aduana building to house national archives but construction has been delayed for many times and funds were diverted to other project instead. They even goes as far as removing the original plaster of the building, now the stone is exposed to pollution and the building will continue to deteriorate to its current states until they restore the building completely to its original design.

As for the Ayuntamiento de Manila, plan were already approved to rebuilt the building. I believed the Spanish government is trying to help fund the construction unless the our govenment don't use the money for other project or end up in the pocket of local politician. Again. only time will tell when will they even began to reconstruct this prescious building who used to be the argullo de Manila.

The government had been planning to restore the Aduana building to house national archives but construction has been delayed for many times and funds were diverted to other project instead. They even goes as far as removing the original plaster of the building, now the stone is exposed to pollution and the building will continue to deteriorate to its current states until they restore the building completely to its original design.

As for the Ayuntamiento de Manila, plan were already approved to rebuilt the building. I believed the Spanish government is trying to help fund the construction unless the our govenment don't use the money for other project or end up in the pocket of local politician. Again. only time will tell when will they even began to reconstruct this prescious building who used to be the argullo de Manila.

^^ Was it the Aduana that would house the Philippine Archives or the Intendiencia?

^^ Was it the Aduana that would house the Philippine Archives or the Intendiencia?

They should seriously consider restoring that 1852 picture. We should look identical to other former colonial capitals.

Mexico DF
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2242076/zocaloMexicoDF-main_Full.jpg

Guatemala City
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Guatemala-city-central-park.jpg

Tegucigalpa
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/TEGUZ---Plaza-Central-450.jpg

They should seriously consider restoring that 1852 picture. We should look identical to other former colonial capitals.

Mexico DF
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2242076/zocaloMexicoDF-main_Full.jpg

Guatemala City
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Guatemala-city-central-park.jpg

Tegucigalpa
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/TEGUZ---Plaza-Central-450.jpg

^^ IMO, whoever made the Palacio Governador into a high rise in Intramuros, is very lame.

Well at least, the Ayuntamiento has still hope of being restored to its former beauty.

^^ IMO, whoever made the Palacio Governador into a high rise in Intramuros, is very lame.

Well at least, the Ayuntamiento has still hope of being restored to its former beauty.

^^ Was it the Aduana that would house the Philippine Archives or the Intendiencia?

The Aduana was damaged during the 1863 earthquake. It was restored and later, the Aduana, as an instituton or Custom house, moved across the river in Binondo. The building which formerly housed the Aduana was taken over by the Intendencia. But the building is now known as the Intendencia and the street, which was renamed after Soriano, the Aduana st., in reference to the old institution.

The National Archives of the Philippines was supposed to be housed in the Intendencia, with budgets given by the Spanish government during the centennial. Pffft.

^^ Was it the Aduana that would house the Philippine Archives or the Intendiencia?

The Aduana was damaged during the 1863 earthquake. It was restored and later, the Aduana, as an instituton or Custom house, moved across the river in Binondo. The building which formerly housed the Aduana was taken over by the Intendencia. But the building is now known as the Intendencia and the street, which was renamed after Soriano, the Aduana st., in reference to the old institution.

The National Archives of the Philippines was supposed to be housed in the Intendencia, with budgets given by the Spanish government during the centennial. Pffft.

[QUOTE=diz;29493636]They should seriously consider restoring that 1852 picture. We should look identical to other former colonial capitals.


If the restoration of the buildings push through, it will not be the 1852 picture that would endure, rather the pictures that we see during the late 19th century up to the time the Plaza Mayor area was bombed in 1945.

The arcaded building of 1852, which would later be known as the Ayuntamiento, was heavily damaged in 1863. I think if Intramuros would be rebuilt, it would be the post 1880 structures that would rise. Examples:

Post 1863 Intendencia Building
The 1879 Cathedral's facade
Post 1863 Ayuntamiento
The 1889 San Ignacio Church

[QUOTE=diz;29493636]They should seriously consider restoring that 1852 picture. We should look identical to other former colonial capitals.


If the restoration of the buildings push through, it will not be the 1852 picture that would endure, rather the pictures that we see during the late 19th century up to the time the Plaza Mayor area was bombed in 1945.

The arcaded building of 1852, which would later be known as the Ayuntamiento, was heavily damaged in 1863. I think if Intramuros would be rebuilt, it would be the post 1880 structures that would rise. Examples:

Post 1863 Intendencia Building
The 1879 Cathedral's facade
Post 1863 Ayuntamiento
The 1889 San Ignacio Church

I see, tuluyan na palang kinalimutan yung aduana. no wonder publicly, there are only the palacio, cathedral and the ayuntamiento, pero marami pang dapat i restore na buildings! yung iba pang churches, i've heard some of them were even more beautiful than san agustin inside and out. As for the manila cathedral, I think it's just a matter of imbelishments for the facade. Maybe a few deatilworks here, some sculptures there columns, pilasters, more ornate windows, etc... as for the interior, I think it really needs work! :lol: para pala kay PINOY_AKO oo nga pala no! iba na nga talaga yung ayuntamiento and the other structures you mentioned so I have to agree with you! I think it's best to restore them to their most recent forms pero, as for the palacio, ano ba talaga yan? no photograph? :lol: kahit description nalang ng facade o interior!:lol: And lastly, meron ding mga buildings that we need to restore outside intramuros! ex. are the jones bridge and the national museum's facade, i think we have the money! yung NM kasi konting konti nalang additions kamukha nya na yung dati ...:lol:

I see, tuluyan na palang kinalimutan yung aduana. no wonder publicly, there are only the palacio, cathedral and the ayuntamiento, pero marami pang dapat i restore na buildings! yung iba pang churches, i've heard some of them were even more beautiful than san agustin inside and out. As for the manila cathedral, I think it's just a matter of imbelishments for the facade. Maybe a few deatilworks here, some sculptures there columns, pilasters, more ornate windows, etc... as for the interior, I think it really needs work! :lol: para pala kay PINOY_AKO oo nga pala no! iba na nga talaga yung ayuntamiento and the other structures you mentioned so I have to agree with you! I think it's best to restore them to their most recent forms pero, as for the palacio, ano ba talaga yan? no photograph? :lol: kahit description nalang ng facade o interior!:lol: And lastly, meron ding mga buildings that we need to restore outside intramuros! ex. are the jones bridge and the national museum's facade, i think we have the money! yung NM kasi konting konti nalang additions kamukha nya na yung dati ...:lol:

San Francisco

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/SanFrancisco.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/1070461.jpg

Manila Cathedral

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/7012/cathedral9tb.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/596750.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/1070373.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c211/hawayano/CathedralfromPalacio-1.jpg

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Once I get to fix my scanner I will show you guys some plans from the book Arquitectura Española en Filipinas by M.ª Lourdes Díaz-Trechuelo Spínola

San Francisco

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/SanFrancisco.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/1070461.jpg

Manila Cathedral

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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/596750.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/1070373.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c211/hawayano/CathedralfromPalacio-1.jpg

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Once I get to fix my scanner I will show you guys some plans from the book Arquitectura Española en Filipinas by M.ª Lourdes Díaz-Trechuelo Spínola

Written by VG Cabuag / Reporter (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2996:dot-reopens-intramuros-theme-park&catid=33:economy&Itemid=60)
Sunday, 07 December 2008 22:08

THE government has revived a long-shuttered project of luring more tourists within the walls of historic Intramuros in Manila and opened again a minitheme park, with the Department of Tourism (DOT) pouring millions of pesos for the initiative.

The DOT will unveil today, Monday, the Intramuros: History Town Philippines, a theme park that showcases the country’s regions.

Oscar Palabyab, undersecretary for Tourism Services and Regional Offices, said that DOT has invested about P5 million for the project, while Philippine Tourism Authority, a state firm that invests in various projects in behalf of the government, spends about P20 million for the setting up of new structures such as stages and other sites.

“We are reopening this again, hoping that we can lure tourists in to these [Intramuros] walls,” Palabyab said in an interview with reporters.

The project is a rehash of a DOT program in 2003 which saw the construction of Clamshell in Intramuros, the main venues to showcase various activities that focus on Philippine culture, with the main aim of luring tourist dollars.

According to Intramuros administration’s data, that Clamshell project lured 2.6 million visitors in its first year, but only managed to get 1.77 million in the second year, and continued to wane thereon.

Palayab said that they have stopped the program in Intramuros due to low take-up of visitors as people flocked to the now-closed Baywalk, a project of the Manila City government under former Manila mayor Lito Atienza, in Roxas Boulevard and other entertainment spots that diverted the attention of visitors from Intramuros.

“People see the same thing [in the theme park],” Palabyab said, referring to the old theme park.

He added, however, that they will revise the program in the park in order to regain the attention of the public.

This time, the theme park has been refurbished with new sites and there will be a regional showcase wherein different provinces will host a month-long festivity in the Walled City.

There will be the Kalinga Octagonal Hut and the Mayoyao House, a new landscape with period flowers and plants; the Pinoy, Pinas electric parade; and One Town, One Product, OTOP, pavilion, DOT said in its primer.

One of the sites includes Pinoy, Pinas, a parade of period-inspired lighted floats each depicting a significant historical theme. It will be held Fridays to Sundays at 6:30 pm. The Saturday parade will be capped by a fireworks display, DOT said.

On the grand opening today, The Ramon Obusan Folkloric Group will start the festivities with their Thanksgiving Dances and Rituals at the Bahay Tagalog, Torogan, Kalinga Village.

Immediately after, the UP Singing Ambassadors will perform for the unveiling of the Paskong Pilipino exhibit.

Written by VG Cabuag / Reporter (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2996:dot-reopens-intramuros-theme-park&catid=33:economy&Itemid=60)
Sunday, 07 December 2008 22:08

THE government has revived a long-shuttered project of luring more tourists within the walls of historic Intramuros in Manila and opened again a minitheme park, with the Department of Tourism (DOT) pouring millions of pesos for the initiative.

The DOT will unveil today, Monday, the Intramuros: History Town Philippines, a theme park that showcases the country’s regions.

Oscar Palabyab, undersecretary for Tourism Services and Regional Offices, said that DOT has invested about P5 million for the project, while Philippine Tourism Authority, a state firm that invests in various projects in behalf of the government, spends about P20 million for the setting up of new structures such as stages and other sites.

“We are reopening this again, hoping that we can lure tourists in to these [Intramuros] walls,” Palabyab said in an interview with reporters.

The project is a rehash of a DOT program in 2003 which saw the construction of Clamshell in Intramuros, the main venues to showcase various activities that focus on Philippine culture, with the main aim of luring tourist dollars.

According to Intramuros administration’s data, that Clamshell project lured 2.6 million visitors in its first year, but only managed to get 1.77 million in the second year, and continued to wane thereon.

Palayab said that they have stopped the program in Intramuros due to low take-up of visitors as people flocked to the now-closed Baywalk, a project of the Manila City government under former Manila mayor Lito Atienza, in Roxas Boulevard and other entertainment spots that diverted the attention of visitors from Intramuros.

“People see the same thing [in the theme park],” Palabyab said, referring to the old theme park.

He added, however, that they will revise the program in the park in order to regain the attention of the public.

This time, the theme park has been refurbished with new sites and there will be a regional showcase wherein different provinces will host a month-long festivity in the Walled City.

There will be the Kalinga Octagonal Hut and the Mayoyao House, a new landscape with period flowers and plants; the Pinoy, Pinas electric parade; and One Town, One Product, OTOP, pavilion, DOT said in its primer.

One of the sites includes Pinoy, Pinas, a parade of period-inspired lighted floats each depicting a significant historical theme. It will be held Fridays to Sundays at 6:30 pm. The Saturday parade will be capped by a fireworks display, DOT said.

On the grand opening today, The Ramon Obusan Folkloric Group will start the festivities with their Thanksgiving Dances and Rituals at the Bahay Tagalog, Torogan, Kalinga Village.

Immediately after, the UP Singing Ambassadors will perform for the unveiling of the Paskong Pilipino exhibit.

December 6, 2008 6:44 pm by pna

By Lynda B. Valencia (http://balita.ph/2008/12/06/dot-kicks-off-intramuros-history-town-philippines/)

MANILA, Dec. 6 — The Department of Tourism (DOT) highlighted its December 2008 calendar of events with a bang in the grand unveiling of "Intramuros: History Town Philippines" on Friday, Dec. 5.

A project spearheaded by the Department of Tourism (DOT), together with the Intramuros Administration (IA) and the Philippine Tourism Authority (PTA), Intramuros: History Town Philippines aims to highlight tourism attractions, products and trade and investment opportunities from all over the country.

Key personalities during the opening were DOT Secretary Joseph "Ace" Durano, Sen. Richard Gordon, General Manager Mark Lapid of PTA, Undersecretary Oscar Palabyab and Director Romulo delos Reyes, both of DOT, and IA Administrator Bambi Harper.

Durano said "Intramuros will be a one-stop venue where domestic and foreign tourists can experience the best of our 7,107 islands – our destinations, history, culture, celebrations, food, and people."

He added, "The project also aims to breathe life into the Walled City of Manila through food festivals, musical performances, colorful parades, unique exhibits and other cultural activities."

On the other hand, Gordon, also a former Tourism secretary, acknowledged the revival of Intramuros saying, "With the DOT, the PTA and the IA all working together for Intramuros History Town, we are looking forward to a successful campaign that will bring this historical destination into greater heights."

Known for the regional showcase wherein different provinces will host a month-long festivity in the Walled City, the new project includes other attractions.

"There will be the Kalinga Octagonal Hut and the Mayoyao House, a new landscape with period flowers and plants, the Pinoy, Pinas electric parade and the OTOP (One Town, One Product) pavilion," added Undersecretary Eduardo Jarque, Jr. for DOT Planning and Promotions.

Pinoy, Pinas is an electric parade of period-inspired lighted floats each depicting a significant historical theme. It will be held on Fridays to Sundays at 6:30 p.m. for the whole month of December.

"The Saturday parade will be capped by a grand fireworks display," Jarque said.

A sample of the unique exhibits is mentioned by Harper, saying, "The never before seen Belen collection of Ramon Obusan will be on display for the public in December."

Prior to the launch, the DOT held a Tilbury or Harness Race at the Bonifacio Drive, Port Area opened by Durano, Gordon, Manila Major Alfredo Lim, Lapid and Director for Manila Tourism and Cultural Affairs Bureau Gemma Cruz-Araneta.

The Harness Race had three categories, starting from 45 kilometers per hour to 50 kph and above. Prizes were at stake.

Also during the grand opening, The Ramon Obusan Folkloric Group started the festivities with their Thanksgiving Dances and Rituals at the Bahay Tagalog, Torogan, Kalinga Village.

Immediately after, the UP Singing Ambassadors performed at the unveiling of the Paskong Pilipino exhibit.

Also seen was the Carruaje Parade which started at Clamshell 1 to the PC Barracks going through Anda and Lucia Streets.

The parade signaled the commencement of the OTOP exhibit and the Teatro Abanico de Manila.

December 6, 2008 6:44 pm by pna

By Lynda B. Valencia (http://balita.ph/2008/12/06/dot-kicks-off-intramuros-history-town-philippines/)

MANILA, Dec. 6 — The Department of Tourism (DOT) highlighted its December 2008 calendar of events with a bang in the grand unveiling of "Intramuros: History Town Philippines" on Friday, Dec. 5.

A project spearheaded by the Department of Tourism (DOT), together with the Intramuros Administration (IA) and the Philippine Tourism Authority (PTA), Intramuros: History Town Philippines aims to highlight tourism attractions, products and trade and investment opportunities from all over the country.

Key personalities during the opening were DOT Secretary Joseph "Ace" Durano, Sen. Richard Gordon, General Manager Mark Lapid of PTA, Undersecretary Oscar Palabyab and Director Romulo delos Reyes, both of DOT, and IA Administrator Bambi Harper.

Durano said "Intramuros will be a one-stop venue where domestic and foreign tourists can experience the best of our 7,107 islands – our destinations, history, culture, celebrations, food, and people."

He added, "The project also aims to breathe life into the Walled City of Manila through food festivals, musical performances, colorful parades, unique exhibits and other cultural activities."

On the other hand, Gordon, also a former Tourism secretary, acknowledged the revival of Intramuros saying, "With the DOT, the PTA and the IA all working together for Intramuros History Town, we are looking forward to a successful campaign that will bring this historical destination into greater heights."

Known for the regional showcase wherein different provinces will host a month-long festivity in the Walled City, the new project includes other attractions.

"There will be the Kalinga Octagonal Hut and the Mayoyao House, a new landscape with period flowers and plants, the Pinoy, Pinas electric parade and the OTOP (One Town, One Product) pavilion," added Undersecretary Eduardo Jarque, Jr. for DOT Planning and Promotions.

Pinoy, Pinas is an electric parade of period-inspired lighted floats each depicting a significant historical theme. It will be held on Fridays to Sundays at 6:30 p.m. for the whole month of December.

"The Saturday parade will be capped by a grand fireworks display," Jarque said.

A sample of the unique exhibits is mentioned by Harper, saying, "The never before seen Belen collection of Ramon Obusan will be on display for the public in December."

Prior to the launch, the DOT held a Tilbury or Harness Race at the Bonifacio Drive, Port Area opened by Durano, Gordon, Manila Major Alfredo Lim, Lapid and Director for Manila Tourism and Cultural Affairs Bureau Gemma Cruz-Araneta.

The Harness Race had three categories, starting from 45 kilometers per hour to 50 kph and above. Prizes were at stake.

Also during the grand opening, The Ramon Obusan Folkloric Group started the festivities with their Thanksgiving Dances and Rituals at the Bahay Tagalog, Torogan, Kalinga Village.

Immediately after, the UP Singing Ambassadors performed at the unveiling of the Paskong Pilipino exhibit.

Also seen was the Carruaje Parade which started at Clamshell 1 to the PC Barracks going through Anda and Lucia Streets.

The parade signaled the commencement of the OTOP exhibit and the Teatro Abanico de Manila.

MANILA, Dec. 9 (http://balita.ph/2008/12/09/gordon-mulls-museum-of-islamic-culture-in-intramuros/) — Independent Senator Richard J. Gordon has bared he plans to build a "Museum of Islamic Culture" within the Walled City that would showcase the rich history and culture of the Filipino Muslims in the country.

Gordon, chairman of the Senate tourism committee and former tourism secretary, made the announcement as he led the reopening of Intramuros as the Philippines' History Town last Friday.

"This is our sincerest effort to raise public awareness and promote greater understanding of the important cultural and historical contributions of the Islamic faith to the people of the Philippines," he said.

"We are certain that most would agree that the building of this Museum will also accomplish much in the way of promoting a greater manifestation of peace and harmony between Muslims and Christians in the Philippines," he added.

The senator said he has asked the support of ambassadors from Islamic countries to help in raising funds needed for the building of the museum, to be called as the Museum of Islamic Culture.

Gordon has filed the "Ninth Ray" Bill which proposes that the rays of the sun on the Philippine flag be increased from eight to nine, to symbolize the community of Muslim leaders who defended our land.

He explained that Muslim heroes left an imprint on national history that must be given due recognition in Philippine flag.

In 2003, he also fought for the installation of the Lapu-Lapu Statue in Rizal Park. This, he explained, was motivated by the intent to honor and recognize the contributions of Muslims and Visayans in shaping Filipino history.

Gordon has often pointed out that while the 2000 census placed the number of Muslims at 3.9 million, the history of Islam in the Philippines ante-dates the arrival of the Spanish by more than 200 years and their contributions to Filipino culture are greatly significant.

"Our Muslim brothers in Mindanao and elsewhere have never been conquered. From Lapu-Lapu to Rajah Sulayman and the other Filipino Muslim heroes that fought to remain free, all have demonstrated our people's great courage and indomitable spirit. We should do all we can to remember that every Filipino borrows greatly from his proud Muslim heritage," he said.

The Senator pointed out that the building of the Museum of Islamic Culture in Intramuros would be historically appropriate.

"Our proposal to establish the Museum of Islamic Culture is an effort to bring Islam back to the core of Philippine consciousness and in so doing propagate better appreciation for the faith, which will hopefully lead to a more encompassing peace between Muslims and Christians in this country," said Gordon.

MANILA, Dec. 9 (http://balita.ph/2008/12/09/gordon-mulls-museum-of-islamic-culture-in-intramuros/) — Independent Senator Richard J. Gordon has bared he plans to build a "Museum of Islamic Culture" within the Walled City that would showcase the rich history and culture of the Filipino Muslims in the country.

Gordon, chairman of the Senate tourism committee and former tourism secretary, made the announcement as he led the reopening of Intramuros as the Philippines' History Town last Friday.

"This is our sincerest effort to raise public awareness and promote greater understanding of the important cultural and historical contributions of the Islamic faith to the people of the Philippines," he said.

"We are certain that most would agree that the building of this Museum will also accomplish much in the way of promoting a greater manifestation of peace and harmony between Muslims and Christians in the Philippines," he added.

The senator said he has asked the support of ambassadors from Islamic countries to help in raising funds needed for the building of the museum, to be called as the Museum of Islamic Culture.

Gordon has filed the "Ninth Ray" Bill which proposes that the rays of the sun on the Philippine flag be increased from eight to nine, to symbolize the community of Muslim leaders who defended our land.

He explained that Muslim heroes left an imprint on national history that must be given due recognition in Philippine flag.

In 2003, he also fought for the installation of the Lapu-Lapu Statue in Rizal Park. This, he explained, was motivated by the intent to honor and recognize the contributions of Muslims and Visayans in shaping Filipino history.

Gordon has often pointed out that while the 2000 census placed the number of Muslims at 3.9 million, the history of Islam in the Philippines ante-dates the arrival of the Spanish by more than 200 years and their contributions to Filipino culture are greatly significant.

"Our Muslim brothers in Mindanao and elsewhere have never been conquered. From Lapu-Lapu to Rajah Sulayman and the other Filipino Muslim heroes that fought to remain free, all have demonstrated our people's great courage and indomitable spirit. We should do all we can to remember that every Filipino borrows greatly from his proud Muslim heritage," he said.

The Senator pointed out that the building of the Museum of Islamic Culture in Intramuros would be historically appropriate.

"Our proposal to establish the Museum of Islamic Culture is an effort to bring Islam back to the core of Philippine consciousness and in so doing propagate better appreciation for the faith, which will hopefully lead to a more encompassing peace between Muslims and Christians in this country," said Gordon.

^^ but why in intramuros? intramuros is as catholic as the vatican (history and architecturally speaking) why not in quiapo? :lol:

^^ but why in intramuros? intramuros is as catholic as the vatican (history and architecturally speaking) why not in quiapo? :lol:

^^I see your point.
Modern Intramuros may not have any trace of it's Islamic past. But...

...during pre-Spanish/ pre-Christian times,
Intramuros was originally a large Muslim settlement
called Maynilad headed by Rajah Soliman.

So if they do decide to build a "Museum of Islamic Culture" in Intramuros,
I hope the structure would not only be "historically appropriate" but also
"architecturally/ aesthetically appropriate."

:horse:

JP

^^I see your point.
Modern Intramuros may not have any trace of it's Islamic past. But...

...during pre-Spanish/ pre-Christian times,
Intramuros was originally a large Muslim settlement
called Maynilad headed by Rajah Soliman.

So if they do decide to build a "Museum of Islamic Culture" in Intramuros,
I hope the structure would not only be "historically appropriate" but also
"architecturally/ aesthetically appropriate."

:horse:

JP

^^ Was it the Aduana that would house the Philippine Archives or the Intendiencia?

I think the Aduana is also known as the Intendencia building and that structure will be the future home of the national archives. ask animo just to be sure. he seem to be an expert with anything related to Spanish history.

^^ Was it the Aduana that would house the Philippine Archives or the Intendiencia?

I think the Aduana is also known as the Intendencia building and that structure will be the future home of the national archives. ask animo just to be sure. he seem to be an expert with anything related to Spanish history.

San Francisco

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The facade and wall of this church survived the war and could have been probably restore if it was not bulldozed when they decided to clear intramuros after the war.

San Francisco

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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/1070461.jpg



The facade and wall of this church survived the war and could have been probably restore if it was not bulldozed when they decided to clear intramuros after the war.

I think the Aduana is also known as the Intendencia building and that structure will be the future home of the national archives. ask animo just to be sure. he seem to be an expert with anything related to Spanish history.

A new building was built in 1876 to house the Custom offices, the Intendencia General de Hacienda, the Treasury and the new Casa de Moneda (Mint). The Royal Custom House (Aduana) building became popularly known as the Intendencia or civil administration office.

P.S.

Pinoy Ako already clarified it! :)


The Aduana was damaged during the 1863 earthquake. It was restored and later, the Aduana, as an instituton or Custom house, moved across the river in Binondo. The building which formerly housed the Aduana was taken over by the Intendencia. But the building is now known as the Intendencia and the street, which was renamed after Soriano, the Aduana st., in reference to the old institution.

The National Archives of the Philippines was supposed to be housed in the Intendencia, with budgets given by the Spanish government during the centennial. Pffft.

I think the Aduana is also known as the Intendencia building and that structure will be the future home of the national archives. ask animo just to be sure. he seem to be an expert with anything related to Spanish history.

A new building was built in 1876 to house the Custom offices, the Intendencia General de Hacienda, the Treasury and the new Casa de Moneda (Mint). The Royal Custom House (Aduana) building became popularly known as the Intendencia or civil administration office.

P.S.

Pinoy Ako already clarified it! :)


The Aduana was damaged during the 1863 earthquake. It was restored and later, the Aduana, as an instituton or Custom house, moved across the river in Binondo. The building which formerly housed the Aduana was taken over by the Intendencia. But the building is now known as the Intendencia and the street, which was renamed after Soriano, the Aduana st., in reference to the old institution.

The National Archives of the Philippines was supposed to be housed in the Intendencia, with budgets given by the Spanish government during the centennial. Pffft.

I doubt that whoever will plan this will be "structurally appropriate" for Intramuros given the ignorance and doings of the past projects. Are they going to do an arte múdejar style or an Islamic one?

Singing: Isipin mabuti, isipin kung alin ang naiba! :nuts:

^^I see your point.
Modern Intramuros may not have any trace of it's Islamic past. But...

...during pre-Spanish/ pre-Christian times,
Intramuros was originally a large Muslim settlement
called Maynilad headed by Rajah Soliman.

So if they do decide to build a "Museum of Islamic Culture" in Intramuros,
I hope the structure would not only be "historically appropriate" but also
"architecturally/ aesthetically appropriate."

:horse:

JP

I doubt that whoever will plan this will be "structurally appropriate" for Intramuros given the ignorance and doings of the past projects. Are they going to do an arte múdejar style or an Islamic one?

Singing: Isipin mabuti, isipin kung alin ang naiba! :nuts:

^^I see your point.
Modern Intramuros may not have any trace of it's Islamic past. But...

...during pre-Spanish/ pre-Christian times,
Intramuros was originally a large Muslim settlement
called Maynilad headed by Rajah Soliman.

So if they do decide to build a "Museum of Islamic Culture" in Intramuros,
I hope the structure would not only be "historically appropriate" but also
"architecturally/ aesthetically appropriate."

:horse:

JP

San Francisco

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/SanFrancisco.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/1070461.jpg

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Once I get to fix my scanner I will show you guys some plans from the book Arquitectura Española en Filipinas by M.ª Lourdes Díaz-Trechuelo Spínola
It looks like the Cathedral in Malolos. :)

San Francisco

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/overtureph/SanFrancisco.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e132/restardo/Retrato/1070461.jpg

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Once I get to fix my scanner I will show you guys some plans from the book Arquitectura Española en Filipinas by M.ª Lourdes Díaz-Trechuelo Spínola
It looks like the Cathedral in Malolos. :)

8. Cut all those trees in front of the Manila Cathedral. Same as with the other neo-classical structures outside intramuros (Post Office Building, National Museum, and Manila City Hall)

8. Cut all those trees in front of the Manila Cathedral. Same as with the other neo-classical structures outside intramuros (Post Office Building, National Museum, and Manila City Hall)

http://www.keytel.co.uk/property_images/parador/medium/162.jpg
Even Mudéjar-inspired architecture like this would blend in beautifully. IMO

:horse:

JP

http://www.keytel.co.uk/property_images/parador/medium/162.jpg
Even Mudéjar-inspired architecture like this would blend in beautifully. IMO

:horse:

JP

:lol: Well, I think intramuros has it's own personality, the moment it was completed!:lol: pero maganda naman if we actually got inspired to do more beautiful buildings inside! I mean, na hindi naman dapat yung mga prominent government buildings yung bigyang attention kundi pati na rin yung mga casa! Diba? mas maganda ata kung hindi yung mga cheap buiolding yung nakikita natin built in modern methods, mas maganda kung yung methods na ginamit nila noon y yun din ang gamitin ngayon! And personally, philippine monuments are to simple dont you guys think? I mean kung i kumpara sa ibang latina cities, parang sculpture on a square pedestal lang ang dating!

:lol: Well, I think intramuros has it's own personality, the moment it was completed!:lol: pero maganda naman if we actually got inspired to do more beautiful buildings inside! I mean, na hindi naman dapat yung mga prominent government buildings yung bigyang attention kundi pati na rin yung mga casa! Diba? mas maganda ata kung hindi yung mga cheap buiolding yung nakikita natin built in modern methods, mas maganda kung yung methods na ginamit nila noon y yun din ang gamitin ngayon! And personally, philippine monuments are to simple dont you guys think? I mean kung i kumpara sa ibang latina cities, parang sculpture on a square pedestal lang ang dating!

http://www.keytel.co.uk/property_images/parador/medium/162.jpg
Even Mudéjar-inspired architecture like this would blend in beautifully. IMO


JP
Spanish Muslim Architecture
El Arte Mudejar
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I think it is more appropriate if they design the muslim museum in Intramuros based on the Spanish mudejar styles of Andalucia so this way the building design is not out of place especially in historic district like Intramuros.

http://www.keytel.co.uk/property_images/parador/medium/162.jpg
Even Mudéjar-inspired architecture like this would blend in beautifully. IMO


JP
Spanish Muslim Architecture
El Arte Mudejar
6OBaeI0-2Ow&feature=related
I think it is more appropriate if they design the muslim museum in Intramuros based on the Spanish mudejar styles of Andalucia so this way the building design is not out of place especially in historic district like Intramuros.

http://www.keytel.co.uk/property_images/parador/medium/162.jpg
Even Mudéjar-inspired architecture like this would blend in beautifully. IMO

:horse:

JP

I see pero i would also like intramuros to be inspired by sintra, portugal's romantic architecture simply because intramuros was also a 19th century city :lol:

http://www.keytel.co.uk/property_images/parador/medium/162.jpg
Even Mudéjar-inspired architecture like this would blend in beautifully. IMO

:horse:

JP

I see pero i would also like intramuros to be inspired by sintra, portugal's romantic architecture simply because intramuros was also a 19th century city :lol:

9. enhance economic viability and sustainability by organizing for instance, cultural programs (like concerts, zarzuelas, weekly or monthly themed activities, expositions ---- yoong hindi gratis ha.... :lol: )

9. enhance economic viability and sustainability by organizing for instance, cultural programs (like concerts, zarzuelas, weekly or monthly themed activities, expositions ---- yoong hindi gratis ha.... :lol: )

1. Relocate illegal settlers
2. Ban motorized vehicles inside the vicinity
3. Follow the restrictions on the Laws of the Indies, where every single detail for a Spanish-Filipino colonial town is written, down to the location of churches and height restrictions
4. connected to number 3, have a strict code that should be followed in building structures, no bill boards, tacky paint jobs and what nots

1. Relocate illegal settlers
2. Ban motorized vehicles inside the vicinity
3. Follow the restrictions on the Laws of the Indies, where every single detail for a Spanish-Filipino colonial town is written, down to the location of churches and height restrictions
4. connected to number 3, have a strict code that should be followed in building structures, no bill boards, tacky paint jobs and what nots

http://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/v7838.jpg
Photos by Wonderboy


The best examples of revival architecture for Intramuros used to stand in the walled city itself. The neo-mudejar Augustinian Procuracion General (right), reconstructed as the ECJ Building.

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Photos by Wonderboy


The best examples of revival architecture for Intramuros used to stand in the walled city itself. The neo-mudejar Augustinian Procuracion General (right), reconstructed as the ECJ Building.

The best examples of revival architecture for Intramuros used to stand in the walled city itself. The neo-mudejar Augustinian Procuracion General (right), reconstructed as the ECJ Building.

Yes, it was. :) Also, I always taught that Siliman University has a touch of filipino-múdejar for some reason.

La Insular has a nice design too with the arches. :)

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Was Hotel de Oriente of a múdejar style too? The arches reminds me of Córdoba, Andalucía.

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The 1889 San Ignacio Church

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The best examples of revival architecture for Intramuros used to stand in the walled city itself. The neo-mudejar Augustinian Procuracion General (right), reconstructed as the ECJ Building.

Yes, it was. :) Also, I always taught that Siliman University has a touch of filipino-múdejar for some reason.

La Insular has a nice design too with the arches. :)

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Was Hotel de Oriente of a múdejar style too? The arches reminds me of Córdoba, Andalucía.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3228/800pxmosquecordobawl6.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2668735208_086cb4bf2c_o.jpg



The 1889 San Ignacio Church

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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e174/feldsparring/towers.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e174/feldsparring/ignacio_interior.jpg

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Post 1863 Ayuntamiento


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Post 1863 Ayuntamiento


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Hmm... Those chandeliers look as ornate as this chandelier at the Palace...

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Hmm... Those chandeliers look as ornate as this chandelier at the Palace...

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WoW! If the government actually resored this, and made a fet embe;ishments with the facade and added more sculputes to the exterior, (the interior doesn't need work because it's too perfect:lol:), this could even rival ..... the Dolmabahçe Palace in Turkey, Versailles in Paris, or maybe the rococo Palace og Gatchina in Russia :lol: the interiors are very ornate the ceilings are handpainted beautifully gilded furniture and the chandeliers look like the ones in the Ambassador's Hall in the Dolmabahçe Palace http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6493/799pxambassadorhalldolmcw6.jpg

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WoW! If the government actually resored this, and made a fet embe;ishments with the facade and added more sculputes to the exterior, (the interior doesn't need work because it's too perfect:lol:), this could even rival ..... the Dolmabahçe Palace in Turkey, Versailles in Paris, or maybe the rococo Palace og Gatchina in Russia :lol: the interiors are very ornate the ceilings are handpainted beautifully gilded furniture and the chandeliers look like the ones in the Ambassador's Hall in the Dolmabahçe Palace http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6493/799pxambassadorhalldolmcw6.jpg

:lol: Anyway, does someone know the most historical, and or beautiful structures that were detroyed and got reconstructed with some issues or maybe reconstructed pro iba na sa dating design? and can someone post some pics? I really want to see:lol::cheers:

:lol: Anyway, does someone know the most historical, and or beautiful structures that were detroyed and got reconstructed with some issues or maybe reconstructed pro iba na sa dating design? and can someone post some pics? I really want to see:lol::cheers:

I dont know if anyone would agree with me,

~but they should plant more ornamental tree like the ones in fort santiago, beautiful green and lush trees! :lol: hindi yung parang nakakalbo na!

~greener grass all over inside and out of the walls! yung green gras naman ay yung nasa golf coarse lang naman! dapat sa may plaza de roma din!

~english gardens! maganda ata kung yung parks like plaza de roma and plaza armas kung english gardens! i mean planned, fountains, sculpures, green grass, and maybe cypruses! baka sa huli, parang resort na yung histsura ng intramuros:ohno: they should really get rid of those beachy palms and jars!

~specific design concepts with the buildings, and i mean a specific criteria hindi lang old filipino style! dapat pati paint color, roof tiles, window ornamentation....etc....

~reconstruction ng mga historical structures... the ayuntamiento, the aduana, and rehebilitation of palacio del gobenador!

~a public transpi=ortation system! mybe electric trams, and kalesas!

~relocate illegal settlers! everywhere! minsan, natatakot nalang yung mga taong mag lakad lakad dahil sa kanila! ans street children! dapat kunin na yan sa mga magulang nila! pinapabayaan na kasi! kung madisgrasya pa yung mga street children na yan, kayo pa yung ipapahamak ng pamilya nyan!

I dont know if anyone would agree with me,

~but they should plant more ornamental tree like the ones in fort santiago, beautiful green and lush trees! :lol: hindi yung parang nakakalbo na!

~greener grass all over inside and out of the walls! yung green gras naman ay yung nasa golf coarse lang naman! dapat sa may plaza de roma din!

~english gardens! maganda ata kung yung parks like plaza de roma and plaza armas kung english gardens! i mean planned, fountains, sculpures, green grass, and maybe cypruses! baka sa huli, parang resort na yung histsura ng intramuros:ohno: they should really get rid of those beachy palms and jars!

~specific design concepts with the buildings, and i mean a specific criteria hindi lang old filipino style! dapat pati paint color, roof tiles, window ornamentation....etc....

~reconstruction ng mga historical structures... the ayuntamiento, the aduana, and rehebilitation of palacio del gobenador!

~a public transpi=ortation system! mybe electric trams, and kalesas!

~relocate illegal settlers! everywhere! minsan, natatakot nalang yung mga taong mag lakad lakad dahil sa kanila! ans street children! dapat kunin na yan sa mga magulang nila! pinapabayaan na kasi! kung madisgrasya pa yung mga street children na yan, kayo pa yung ipapahamak ng pamilya nyan!

Yes, it was. :) Also, I always taught that Siliman University has a touch of filipino-múdejar for some reason.

La Insular has a nice design too with the arches. :)

Was Hotel de Oriente of a múdejar style too? The arches reminds me of Córdoba, Andalucía.


Yes. These two buildings along Plaza Calderon de la Barca were done in the neo-mudejar style. Nice ogee arches!

Yes, it was. :) Also, I always taught that Siliman University has a touch of filipino-múdejar for some reason.

La Insular has a nice design too with the arches. :)

Was Hotel de Oriente of a múdejar style too? The arches reminds me of Córdoba, Andalucía.


Yes. These two buildings along Plaza Calderon de la Barca were done in the neo-mudejar style. Nice ogee arches!

:lol: Anyway, does someone know the most historical, and or beautiful structures that were detroyed and got reconstructed with some issues or maybe reconstructed pro iba na sa dating design? and can someone post some pics? I really want to see:lol::cheers:

All the churches in Intramuros were reconstructed elsewhere and along different plans. Some of them are now heritage structures.

:lol: Anyway, does someone know the most historical, and or beautiful structures that were detroyed and got reconstructed with some issues or maybe reconstructed pro iba na sa dating design? and can someone post some pics? I really want to see:lol::cheers:

All the churches in Intramuros were reconstructed elsewhere and along different plans. Some of them are now heritage structures.

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para sa akin, sa mga simbahan sa loob ng intramuros bago ang giyera, santo domingo ang pinakamarangya sa lahat, loob at labas. pero hindi rin matatawaran ang iba pang simbahan gaya ng san ignacio, san francisco at ang san agustin at katedral.

pwede bang i-restore ang buong intramuros sa orihinal na anyo nito dahil nakakapanghinayang talaga. pag ginawa ito, mga kalesa at karuwahe lang dapat ang pwedeng pumasok sa loob.

magiging napakagastos nito, pero sulit dahil ibabalik nito ang glorya ng maynila. isunod na pagkatapos ang escolta, binondo, sta. cruz at quiapo. gawin na lang nilang museo ang malacanang at humanap ng ibang tirahan para sa pangulo.

wish ko lang, ang maupong mayor ng maynila ay galing dito sa skyscrapercity. pwede rin sa akin si carlos celdran.

para sa akin, sa mga simbahan sa loob ng intramuros bago ang giyera, santo domingo ang pinakamarangya sa lahat, loob at labas. pero hindi rin matatawaran ang iba pang simbahan gaya ng san ignacio, san francisco at ang san agustin at katedral.

pwede bang i-restore ang buong intramuros sa orihinal na anyo nito dahil nakakapanghinayang talaga. pag ginawa ito, mga kalesa at karuwahe lang dapat ang pwedeng pumasok sa loob.

magiging napakagastos nito, pero sulit dahil ibabalik nito ang glorya ng maynila. isunod na pagkatapos ang escolta, binondo, sta. cruz at quiapo. gawin na lang nilang museo ang malacanang at humanap ng ibang tirahan para sa pangulo.

wish ko lang, ang maupong mayor ng maynila ay galing dito sa skyscrapercity. pwede rin sa akin si carlos celdran.

Well, heto na! I think this is the scale model for the restoration of the ayuntamiento! :banana:http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3134/scale20model2020prop20ros1.jpg:banana: mabuti naman! hayan na! sana sunod naman yung aduana, or yu ng palacio! or maybe yung mga churches! :banana:

Well, heto na! I think this is the scale model for the restoration of the ayuntamiento! :banana:http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3134/scale20model2020prop20ros1.jpg:banana: mabuti naman! hayan na! sana sunod naman yung aduana, or yu ng palacio! or maybe yung mga churches! :banana:

Hmmm? Matanong ko lang no? Does anyone know what are the materials that people use when contructing those european palaces? For me, it's a big mystery? Pati na rin yung mga art deco buildings from othe countries, do the use marble? Kakaiba kasi yung kulay ng mga facade nila! :lol:

Hmmm? Matanong ko lang no? Does anyone know what are the materials that people use when contructing those european palaces? For me, it's a big mystery? Pati na rin yung mga art deco buildings from othe countries, do the use marble? Kakaiba kasi yung kulay ng mga facade nila! :lol:

La Insular has a nice design too with the arches. :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2828688034_6c31bd88d4_o.jpg



This building had character. Something that's missing in what replaced the edifices both religious and secular of yore. We might have been consoled if from their ruins rose even more magnificent structures but no, they have to be nondescript, forgettable and sometimes even hideous.

La Insular has a nice design too with the arches. :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2828688034_6c31bd88d4_o.jpg



This building had character. Something that's missing in what replaced the edifices both religious and secular of yore. We might have been consoled if from their ruins rose even more magnificent structures but no, they have to be nondescript, forgettable and sometimes even hideous.

Hmmm? Matanong ko lang no? Does anyone know what are the materials that people use when contructing those european palaces? For me, it's a big mystery? Pati na rin yung mga art deco buildings from othe countries, do the use marble? Kakaiba kasi yung kulay ng mga facade nila! :lol:

Well, it all depend on the country's resources but the most common building materials used were bricks, marble, stone, Limestone and sandstone for paving this gave a little bit of like golden color on the building. For the roofing, countries like Spain, France, and Italy used tile roof, anger slate or sometimes laminated copper for the dome of palaces and churches.

The facade is different because the inner wall of the wall uses bricks or stones and this materials will be covered by a fine local marble or imported carara marble from italy for the final touch. Paving of sandstone were also used for the facade.

Hmmm? Matanong ko lang no? Does anyone know what are the materials that people use when contructing those european palaces? For me, it's a big mystery? Pati na rin yung mga art deco buildings from othe countries, do the use marble? Kakaiba kasi yung kulay ng mga facade nila! :lol:

Well, it all depend on the country's resources but the most common building materials used were bricks, marble, stone, Limestone and sandstone for paving this gave a little bit of like golden color on the building. For the roofing, countries like Spain, France, and Italy used tile roof, anger slate or sometimes laminated copper for the dome of palaces and churches.

The facade is different because the inner wall of the wall uses bricks or stones and this materials will be covered by a fine local marble or imported carara marble from italy for the final touch. Paving of sandstone were also used for the facade.

Well, heto na! I think this is the scale model for the restoration of the ayuntamiento! :banana:http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3134/scale20model2020prop20ros1.jpg:banana: mabuti naman! hayan na! sana sunod naman yung aduana, or yu ng palacio! or maybe yung mga churches! :banana:

If the government will restore Ayuntamiento, saan gagamitin ito? Will this be another museum? I've heard senate would like to build a new Senate building. I am thinking bakit di nalang gawin senate building to and restore those magestic rooms. Or perhaps convert this as the office of the Vice President.

Well, heto na! I think this is the scale model for the restoration of the ayuntamiento! :banana:http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3134/scale20model2020prop20ros1.jpg:banana: mabuti naman! hayan na! sana sunod naman yung aduana, or yu ng palacio! or maybe yung mga churches! :banana:

If the government will restore Ayuntamiento, saan gagamitin ito? Will this be another museum? I've heard senate would like to build a new Senate building. I am thinking bakit di nalang gawin senate building to and restore those magestic rooms. Or perhaps convert this as the office of the Vice President.

Well, it all depend on the country's resources but the most common building materials used were bricks, marble, stone, Limestone and sandstone for paving this gave a little bit of like golden color on the building. For the roofing, countries like Spain, France, and Italy used tile roof, anger slate or sometimes laminated copper for the dome of palaces and churches.

The facade is different because the inner wall of the wall uses bricks or stones and this materials will be covered by a fine local marble or imported carara marble from italy for the final touch. Paving of sandstone were also used for the facade.

Wow! ang galing naman po! e what about the neoclassical buildings here in the RP? are they also constructed with those nice and probably expensive materials? or just concrete and the painted? :lol: so? ganyan pala yung sikreto nila! no wonder ang gaganda ng mga cities nila!:lol: sana sa huli ganyan din yung intramuros!

Well, it all depend on the country's resources but the most common building materials used were bricks, marble, stone, Limestone and sandstone for paving this gave a little bit of like golden color on the building. For the roofing, countries like Spain, France, and Italy used tile roof, anger slate or sometimes laminated copper for the dome of palaces and churches.

The facade is different because the inner wall of the wall uses bricks or stones and this materials will be covered by a fine local marble or imported carara marble from italy for the final touch. Paving of sandstone were also used for the facade.

Wow! ang galing naman po! e what about the neoclassical buildings here in the RP? are they also constructed with those nice and probably expensive materials? or just concrete and the painted? :lol: so? ganyan pala yung sikreto nila! no wonder ang gaganda ng mga cities nila!:lol: sana sa huli ganyan din yung intramuros!

Wow! ang galing naman po! e what about the neoclassical buildings here in the RP? are they also constructed with those nice and probably expensive materials? or just concrete and the painted? :lol: so? ganyan pala yung sikreto nila! no wonder ang gaganda ng mga cities nila!:lol: sana sa huli ganyan din yung intramuros!

Only the interiors were made of marbles. The most famous of these was the Salon de Marmol of the Ayuntamiento. But you'll be amazed when you look closely at other buildings whose interiors were done in trompe l'oeil to simulate marbles.

Wow! ang galing naman po! e what about the neoclassical buildings here in the RP? are they also constructed with those nice and probably expensive materials? or just concrete and the painted? :lol: so? ganyan pala yung sikreto nila! no wonder ang gaganda ng mga cities nila!:lol: sana sa huli ganyan din yung intramuros!

Only the interiors were made of marbles. The most famous of these was the Salon de Marmol of the Ayuntamiento. But you'll be amazed when you look closely at other buildings whose interiors were done in trompe l'oeil to simulate marbles.

Only the interiors were made of marbles. The most famous of these was the Salon de Marmol of the Ayuntamiento. But you'll be amazed when you look closely at other buildings whose interiors were done in trompe l'oeil to simulate marbles.

Oh! trompe l'oeil! that reminds me, I'm fortunate enough to be in paris! (one of the most loveliest cities in thw world) I'm just a sudent pero my parent are both pinoys and I'm proud to be one...:lol: geting back...since I've actually visited it many times, I took interest in manila's infrastructure, simpy because I think the design and the aesthetics are all beautiful and elegant! magaganda kaya yung mga goernment buildings natin(tinutukoy ko lang po yung design) pero, when It comes to the actual thing, I can't help but feel pity, simpy because, the executions of many buildings are not very good! maybe you guys could enlighten us, cuz I know I'm not the only one noticing this!:lol: as for trompe l'oeil the one in san agustin is so remarkable! I would even put it to the standards of versailles! I havent actually been there pero I've taken the picture tour thing! just click and drag! so cool! the dome actually as well as the chandeliers, the ceilings and practically everything took my breath away! literally! here's the link: http://www.world-heritage-tour.org/asia/southeast-asia/the-philippines/baroque-churches/san-augustino-in-manila-inside/sphere-flash.html ...marami pang ibang tours diyan around RP pero this one in san agustin in a must!:lol:

Only the interiors were made of marbles. The most famous of these was the Salon de Marmol of the Ayuntamiento. But you'll be amazed when you look closely at other buildings whose interiors were done in trompe l'oeil to simulate marbles.

Oh! trompe l'oeil! that reminds me, I'm fortunate enough to be in paris! (one of the most loveliest cities in thw world) I'm just a sudent pero my parent are both pinoys and I'm proud to be one...:lol: geting back...since I've actually visited it many times, I took interest in manila's infrastructure, simpy because I think the design and the aesthetics are all beautiful and elegant! magaganda kaya yung mga goernment buildings natin(tinutukoy ko lang po yung design) pero, when It comes to the actual thing, I can't help but feel pity, simpy because, the executions of many buildings are not very good! maybe you guys could enlighten us, cuz I know I'm not the only one noticing this!:lol: as for trompe l'oeil the one in san agustin is so remarkable! I would even put it to the standards of versailles! I havent actually been there pero I've taken the picture tour thing! just click and drag! so cool! the dome actually as well as the chandeliers, the ceilings and practically everything took my breath away! literally! here's the link: http://www.world-heritage-tour.org/asia/southeast-asia/the-philippines/baroque-churches/san-augustino-in-manila-inside/sphere-flash.html ...marami pang ibang tours diyan around RP pero this one in san agustin in a must!:lol:

Wow! ang galing naman po! e what about the neoclassical buildings here in the RP? are they also constructed with those nice and probably expensive materials? or just concrete and the painted? :lol: so? ganyan pala yung sikreto nila! no wonder ang gaganda ng mga cities nila!:lol: sana sa huli ganyan din yung intramuros!

I know that the pre-war materials that were used on the old legislative building and other govenment buildings in Luneta before the war were more high quality. During the reconstruction period after the war, most of the government building were made up of concrete in neoclassical styles and they just painted it with white. That's why after two to three years the structured look ugly and needed to be repainted again. If they used a sandstone from boracay or local marble for the facade it will look more classical and elegant and they don't need to be repainted again. The pre-war government buildings in Luneta were far more ornates, elegant in design and were built in fine cranftsmanshift compare to the present structure which were built in a hurry and cheaply.

I think Malacanang palace needed a make over inside because every rooms in the palace look gloomy and dark. I understand that the palace is made up of rare Philippines woods but it is more nice if they painted it with oil paint and not just varnish to brighten the place. They need an oil paint just like those rooms in the ayuntamineto de Manila.

Wow! ang galing naman po! e what about the neoclassical buildings here in the RP? are they also constructed with those nice and probably expensive materials? or just concrete and the painted? :lol: so? ganyan pala yung sikreto nila! no wonder ang gaganda ng mga cities nila!:lol: sana sa huli ganyan din yung intramuros!

I know that the pre-war materials that were used on the old legislative building and other govenment buildings in Luneta before the war were more high quality. During the reconstruction period after the war, most of the government building were made up of concrete in neoclassical styles and they just painted it with white. That's why after two to three years the structured look ugly and needed to be repainted again. If they used a sandstone from boracay or local marble for the facade it will look more classical and elegant and they don't need to be repainted again. The pre-war government buildings in Luneta were far more ornates, elegant in design and were built in fine cranftsmanshift compare to the present structure which were built in a hurry and cheaply.

I think Malacanang palace needed a make over inside because every rooms in the palace look gloomy and dark. I understand that the palace is made up of rare Philippines woods but it is more nice if they painted it with oil paint and not just varnish to brighten the place. They need an oil paint just like those rooms in the ayuntamineto de Manila.

I know that the pre-war materials that were used on the old legislative building and other govenment buildings in Luneta before the war were more high quality. During the reconstruction period after the war, most of the government building were made up of concrete in neoclassical styles and they just painted it with white. That's why after two to three years the structured look ugly and needed to be repainted again. If they used a sandstone from boracay or local marble for the facade it will look more classical and elegant and they don't need to be repainted again. The pre-war government buildings in Luneta were far more ornates, elegant in design and were built in fine cranftsmanshift compare to the present structure which were built in a hurry and cheaply.

I think Malacanang palace needed a make over inside because every rooms in the palace look gloomy and dark. I understand that the palace is made up of rare Philippines woods but it is more nice if they painted it with oil paint and not just varnish to brighten the place. They need an oil paint just like those rooms in the ayuntamineto de Manila.

I agree! Mas ornate talaga yung mga pre war structures! and I think malacanang needs a huge facelift! It really does look gloomy and the gardens look more like a jungle! they should just uproot those acacias and preplant them somwhee else and maybe add in some cypreses, and other ornamental trees and flowers! and oo nga no! parang ang gloomy ng interior niya! it really needs some of those tompe d oleil or maybe some genius frescoes or murals! :lol: anyway, happy new year po sa inyong lahat!:lol:

I know that the pre-war materials that were used on the old legislative building and other govenment buildings in Luneta before the war were more high quality. During the reconstruction period after the war, most of the government building were made up of concrete in neoclassical styles and they just painted it with white. That's why after two to three years the structured look ugly and needed to be repainted again. If they used a sandstone from boracay or local marble for the facade it will look more classical and elegant and they don't need to be repainted again. The pre-war government buildings in Luneta were far more ornates, elegant in design and were built in fine cranftsmanshift compare to the present structure which were built in a hurry and cheaply.

I think Malacanang palace needed a make over inside because every rooms in the palace look gloomy and dark. I understand that the palace is made up of rare Philippines woods but it is more nice if they painted it with oil paint and not just varnish to brighten the place. They need an oil paint just like those rooms in the ayuntamineto de Manila.

I agree! Mas ornate talaga yung mga pre war structures! and I think malacanang needs a huge facelift! It really does look gloomy and the gardens look more like a jungle! they should just uproot those acacias and preplant them somwhee else and maybe add in some cypreses, and other ornamental trees and flowers! and oo nga no! parang ang gloomy ng interior niya! it really needs some of those tompe d oleil or maybe some genius frescoes or murals! :lol: anyway, happy new year po sa inyong lahat!:lol:

Don't forget to plant native and indigenous trees and plants around Intramuros

Don't forget to plant native and indigenous trees and plants around Intramuros

Well, heto na! I think this is the scale model for the restoration of the ayuntamiento! :banana:http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3134/scale20model2020prop20ros1.jpg:banana: mabuti naman! hayan na! sana sunod naman yung aduana, or yu ng palacio! or maybe yung mga churches! :banana:

Puro dada lang yan si lim, pustahan tayo. After 2010, Ma Li LIMutan din nya un plans na i-restore yan.

I still seriously think na dapat na i-ban ang mga kotse sa loob ng Intramuros. tapos, restore nila un Tram lines at Cobble stoned roads at alisin ang golf course at gawing open park to make the rizal park bigger!

Last, Bloody restore the Globe fountain sa luneta at alisin si lapu lapu.

Well, heto na! I think this is the scale model for the restoration of the ayuntamiento! :banana:http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3134/scale20model2020prop20ros1.jpg:banana: mabuti naman! hayan na! sana sunod naman yung aduana, or yu ng palacio! or maybe yung mga churches! :banana:

Puro dada lang yan si lim, pustahan tayo. After 2010, Ma Li LIMutan din nya un plans na i-restore yan.

I still seriously think na dapat na i-ban ang mga kotse sa loob ng Intramuros. tapos, restore nila un Tram lines at Cobble stoned roads at alisin ang golf course at gawing open park to make the rizal park bigger!

Last, Bloody restore the Globe fountain sa luneta at alisin si lapu lapu.

magagalit si gordon at ang mga koreans pag inalis si lapulapu.

magagalit si gordon at ang mga koreans pag inalis si lapulapu.

magagalit si gordon at ang mga koreans pag inalis si lapulapu.

Alam ko na sintemyento ni Gordon pero bakit pati mga Koreans? :dunno:

magagalit si gordon at ang mga koreans pag inalis si lapulapu.

Alam ko na sintemyento ni Gordon pero bakit pati mga Koreans? :dunno:

^^The statue was a gift from South Korea

^^The statue was a gift from South Korea

Then, Move it to Cebu or where lapu-lapu actually ruled. Manila is not owned by Lapu Lapu but it was owned by Rajah Sulayman...

And Lapu-Lapu inside RIZAL Park is so damn stupid to begin with.

Then, Move it to Cebu or where lapu-lapu actually ruled. Manila is not owned by Lapu Lapu but it was owned by Rajah Sulayman...

And Lapu-Lapu inside RIZAL Park is so damn stupid to begin with.

Its OK to move it somewhere in other park in Manila because he is a man of great important also like Rizal but the monstrosity of the statue in the middle of agripina circle doesn't seem right. It would be better it they just return the globe with fountain in the circle just like in the 70s and it will be more appropriate for the place and the view of the park.

Its OK to move it somewhere in other park in Manila because he is a man of great important also like Rizal but the monstrosity of the statue in the middle of agripina circle doesn't seem right. It would be better it they just return the globe with fountain in the circle just like in the 70s and it will be more appropriate for the place and the view of the park.

Revisiting the walled city...

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Revisiting the walled city...

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Revisiting the walled city...

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Wow ang galing naman!:lol: ano po ba yung nasa last pic? Indonesia, or Poland? maganda kasi yung building!:lol:

Revisiting the walled city...

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Wow ang galing naman!:lol: ano po ba yung nasa last pic? Indonesia, or Poland? maganda kasi yung building!:lol:

Then, Move it to Cebu or where lapu-lapu actually ruled. Manila is not owned by Lapu Lapu but it was owned by Rajah Sulayman...

And Lapu-Lapu inside RIZAL Park is so damn stupid to begin with.

Naku! Hwag naman po!:lol: Kawawa naman si Lapu-lapu kung dalawa na yung monumento nya sa cebu!:lol: sana lang ilagay nalang siya somewhere na special para sa mga koreans! maybe build a new korean gardens tapos doon nalang siya ilagay sa may entrance parang friendship gesture ng pilipinas at korea! meron na kasing japanese at chinese gardens, tapos meron na ring planetarium!:lol: at hindi ba meron pang isang monumento diyan si Lapu-lapu? at sa laki naman guro ng rizal park, hindi sila mawawalan ng malalagyan!:lol::cheers:

Then, Move it to Cebu or where lapu-lapu actually ruled. Manila is not owned by Lapu Lapu but it was owned by Rajah Sulayman...

And Lapu-Lapu inside RIZAL Park is so damn stupid to begin with.

Naku! Hwag naman po!:lol: Kawawa naman si Lapu-lapu kung dalawa na yung monumento nya sa cebu!:lol: sana lang ilagay nalang siya somewhere na special para sa mga koreans! maybe build a new korean gardens tapos doon nalang siya ilagay sa may entrance parang friendship gesture ng pilipinas at korea! meron na kasing japanese at chinese gardens, tapos meron na ring planetarium!:lol: at hindi ba meron pang isang monumento diyan si Lapu-lapu? at sa laki naman guro ng rizal park, hindi sila mawawalan ng malalagyan!:lol::cheers:

Wow ang galing naman!:lol: ano po ba yung nasa last pic? Indonesia, or Poland? maganda kasi yung building!:lol:

Mukhang oficina siya... Asa tapat kasi ng Fort Santiago kaya siguro napiltang mag-make over... :D

Wow ang galing naman!:lol: ano po ba yung nasa last pic? Indonesia, or Poland? maganda kasi yung building!:lol:

Mukhang oficina siya... Asa tapat kasi ng Fort Santiago kaya siguro napiltang mag-make over... :D

Mukhang oficina siya... Asa tapat kasi ng Fort Santiago kaya siguro napiltang mag-make over... :D

Naku! Buti naman! at least maganda siya, well...mas maganda ata sana kung mas filipino style pero it's decent naman! :lol: and parang opisina nga! the pero bakit may flag? ano po bang flag yan? poland or indonesia?:lol:

Mukhang oficina siya... Asa tapat kasi ng Fort Santiago kaya siguro napiltang mag-make over... :D

Naku! Buti naman! at least maganda siya, well...mas maganda ata sana kung mas filipino style pero it's decent naman! :lol: and parang opisina nga! the pero bakit may flag? ano po bang flag yan? poland or indonesia?:lol:

Its OK to move it somewhere in other park in Manila because he is a man of great important also like Rizal but the monstrosity of the statue in the middle of agripina circle doesn't seem right. It would be better it they just return the globe with fountain in the circle just like in the 70s and it will be more appropriate for the place and the view of the park.

Agreed, Wala akung paki kung gift pa sya ng Korea o kahit ano pang bansa. Sobrang out of place talaga si lapu lapu...

I so seriously want this back:
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Masyadong panira si Lapu Lapu

Its OK to move it somewhere in other park in Manila because he is a man of great important also like Rizal but the monstrosity of the statue in the middle of agripina circle doesn't seem right. It would be better it they just return the globe with fountain in the circle just like in the 70s and it will be more appropriate for the place and the view of the park.

Agreed, Wala akung paki kung gift pa sya ng Korea o kahit ano pang bansa. Sobrang out of place talaga si lapu lapu...

I so seriously want this back:
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Masyadong panira si Lapu Lapu

^^ yeah the fountain looks better, and the landscaping too was way better, we could move Lapu-lapu to makati.....

^^ yeah the fountain looks better, and the landscaping too was way better, we could move Lapu-lapu to makati.....

Agreed, Wala akung paki kung gift pa sya ng Korea o kahit ano pang bansa. Sobrang out of place talaga si lapu lapu...

I so seriously want this back:
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Masyadong panira si Lapu Lapu


itong ang panahon na governor si imelda marcos ng metro manila, at si teodoro valencia ang administrator ng luneta. hindi ka matatakot na gumala sa luneta ng panahon na iyan kasi ang mga hardinero at nag-aayos ng parke ay mga laya sa muntinlupa na gusto nang magbagong-buhay. takot lang ng mga holdaper noon.

hindi pa masukal ang luneta at talagang berdeng-berde ang damuhan. at ang mga buildings, talagang alaga sa pintura. :ohno:

Agreed, Wala akung paki kung gift pa sya ng Korea o kahit ano pang bansa. Sobrang out of place talaga si lapu lapu...

I so seriously want this back:
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Masyadong panira si Lapu Lapu


itong ang panahon na governor si imelda marcos ng metro manila, at si teodoro valencia ang administrator ng luneta. hindi ka matatakot na gumala sa luneta ng panahon na iyan kasi ang mga hardinero at nag-aayos ng parke ay mga laya sa muntinlupa na gusto nang magbagong-buhay. takot lang ng mga holdaper noon.

hindi pa masukal ang luneta at talagang berdeng-berde ang damuhan. at ang mga buildings, talagang alaga sa pintura. :ohno:

Noong si Imelda ang governor ng Mynila talagang malinis at alagang -alaga talaga ang Luneta kasi gusto niya itong ikatulad sa mga parque sa ibang bansa. Hinde kagaya ngayon na kahit may fondo ang Luneta parang hinde halatang ginagamit yong fondo para sa ikagaganda ng Luneta. Dito sa ibang bansa yong mga puno na malalaki na, sa gilid ng mga paseo at parque pinuputol at pinapalitan ng bago para gumanda uli ang view.

Noong si Imelda ang governor ng Mynila talagang malinis at alagang -alaga talaga ang Luneta kasi gusto niya itong ikatulad sa mga parque sa ibang bansa. Hinde kagaya ngayon na kahit may fondo ang Luneta parang hinde halatang ginagamit yong fondo para sa ikagaganda ng Luneta. Dito sa ibang bansa yong mga puno na malalaki na, sa gilid ng mga paseo at parque pinuputol at pinapalitan ng bago para gumanda uli ang view.

I'm not totally against you guys! I actually agree with you since luneta deserves better landscaping (but not the tropical resort kind) and that Lapu-lapu simply doesnt cut the whole US vibe in agrifina and I agree na karapat dapat na yung fountain ibalik. Pero, in the other hand, It was a gift, so tama lang if we show our gratitude and luneta is like even larger than US' central park, so there are a lot of room to put Lapu-lapu...:lol:
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and I like this scene puro ornamental plants and trees and di lang basta basta manga, o acacia, like malacanang which looks more like a safari...:lol: though I'm not a big fan of the paint job they did with the building! I prefer classic white but it's better if we actually redo the buildings with more high grade materials like marble or limestone rather than just concrete and then painting it, now that's the cheap way...:lol: and maybe someone can post pictures of plants that would really unify the whole place as a park and not as a gungle...:lol:

I'm not totally against you guys! I actually agree with you since luneta deserves better landscaping (but not the tropical resort kind) and that Lapu-lapu simply doesnt cut the whole US vibe in agrifina and I agree na karapat dapat na yung fountain ibalik. Pero, in the other hand, It was a gift, so tama lang if we show our gratitude and luneta is like even larger than US' central park, so there are a lot of room to put Lapu-lapu...:lol:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3138/oooooootd0.jpg
and I like this scene puro ornamental plants and trees and di lang basta basta manga, o acacia, like malacanang which looks more like a safari...:lol: though I'm not a big fan of the paint job they did with the building! I prefer classic white but it's better if we actually redo the buildings with more high grade materials like marble or limestone rather than just concrete and then painting it, now that's the cheap way...:lol: and maybe someone can post pictures of plants that would really unify the whole place as a park and not as a gungle...:lol:

Pero among everything said, I still prefer the Burnham plan, and as someone posted earlier, I restore na nila yung dating intramuros! restore the old palacio del gobrenador and make it the official resdence then malacanang would be the summer residence or state guest house and all the senate and important buildings build in rizal park, and a grand capitol building at the center of it all! oo..diba?:lol:
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I'm glad the department of finance and the department of tourism is still there pero look, monument nga pala at hindi fountain! pero unless they follow this plan, (which is very unlikely) I prefer still prefer the fountain..:lol: ano bang monument yan? looks like an obelisk...
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Whoa! look at all the important buildings..:lol:

Pero among everything said, I still prefer the Burnham plan, and as someone posted earlier, I restore na nila yung dating intramuros! restore the old palacio del gobrenador and make it the official resdence then malacanang would be the summer residence or state guest house and all the senate and important buildings build in rizal park, and a grand capitol building at the center of it all! oo..diba?:lol:
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I'm glad the department of finance and the department of tourism is still there pero look, monument nga pala at hindi fountain! pero unless they follow this plan, (which is very unlikely) I prefer still prefer the fountain..:lol: ano bang monument yan? looks like an obelisk...
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Whoa! look at all the important buildings..:lol:

Ang ganda ng kuha mo Igan. Great photos.

Ang ganda ng kuha mo Igan. Great photos.

^^The statue was a gift from South Korea

I see. Thanks for the info. I agree that it's immensity destroys the proportion of the park making it stick out like a sore thumb. I am grateful for Lapu-lapu's courage and contributions but it's Rizal Park so the most prominent figure should be that of Jose Rizal. How about moving it to Subic-Olongapo where there's a sigificant Korean investment and closer to Gordon territory?

Ang ganda ng kuha mo Igan. Great photos.

Thanks, Manong. Uwi ka na dito para makapag-heritage tours na uli tayo. Happy New Year!

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^^The statue was a gift from South Korea

I see. Thanks for the info. I agree that it's immensity destroys the proportion of the park making it stick out like a sore thumb. I am grateful for Lapu-lapu's courage and contributions but it's Rizal Park so the most prominent figure should be that of Jose Rizal. How about moving it to Subic-Olongapo where there's a sigificant Korean investment and closer to Gordon territory?

Ang ganda ng kuha mo Igan. Great photos.

Thanks, Manong. Uwi ka na dito para makapag-heritage tours na uli tayo. Happy New Year!

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I'm not totally against you guys! I actually agree with you since luneta deserves better landscaping (but not the tropical resort kind) and that Lapu-lapu simply doesnt cut the whole US vibe in agrifina and I agree na karapat dapat na yung fountain ibalik. Pero, in the other hand, It was a gift, so tama lang if we show our gratitude and luneta is like even larger than US' central park, so there are a lot of room to put Lapu-lapu...:lol:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3138/oooooootd0.jpg
and I like this scene puro ornamental plants and trees and di lang basta basta manga, o acacia, like malacanang which looks more like a safari...:lol: though I'm not a big fan of the paint job they did with the building! I prefer classic white but it's better if we actually redo the buildings with more high grade materials like marble or limestone rather than just concrete and then painting it, now that's the cheap way...:lol: and maybe someone can post pictures of plants that would really unify the whole place as a park and not as a gungle...:lol:I've noticed this too. Except for some places like Ayala Center or the Fort, most of the landscaping in MM could hardly be called landscaping at all. It's as if it was done by a novice. And I also noticed that they love to grow trees beside buildings and monuments as if we're in Angkor Wat.

I see. Thanks for the info. I agree that it's immensity destroys the proportion of the park making it stick out like a sore thumb. I am grateful for Lapu-lapu's courage and contributions but it's Rizal Park so the most prominent figure should be that of Jose Rizal. How about moving it to Subic-Olongapo where there's a sigificant Korean investment and closer to Gordon territory?I don't actually agree with it either, and I don't think it it would be a diplomatic blunder if we would transfer it somewhere else. Honestly, I want it transferred to Mactan Shrine. They need to change the statue there. Lapu-Lapu deserves a more decent and grand monument and not that one I saw several months ago.

I'm not totally against you guys! I actually agree with you since luneta deserves better landscaping (but not the tropical resort kind) and that Lapu-lapu simply doesnt cut the whole US vibe in agrifina and I agree na karapat dapat na yung fountain ibalik. Pero, in the other hand, It was a gift, so tama lang if we show our gratitude and luneta is like even larger than US' central park, so there are a lot of room to put Lapu-lapu...:lol:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3138/oooooootd0.jpg
and I like this scene puro ornamental plants and trees and di lang basta basta manga, o acacia, like malacanang which looks more like a safari...:lol: though I'm not a big fan of the paint job they did with the building! I prefer classic white but it's better if we actually redo the buildings with more high grade materials like marble or limestone rather than just concrete and then painting it, now that's the cheap way...:lol: and maybe someone can post pictures of plants that would really unify the whole place as a park and not as a gungle...:lol:I've noticed this too. Except for some places like Ayala Center or the Fort, most of the landscaping in MM could hardly be called landscaping at all. It's as if it was done by a novice. And I also noticed that they love to grow trees beside buildings and monuments as if we're in Angkor Wat.

I see. Thanks for the info. I agree that it's immensity destroys the proportion of the park making it stick out like a sore thumb. I am grateful for Lapu-lapu's courage and contributions but it's Rizal Park so the most prominent figure should be that of Jose Rizal. How about moving it to Subic-Olongapo where there's a sigificant Korean investment and closer to Gordon territory?I don't actually agree with it either, and I don't think it it would be a diplomatic blunder if we would transfer it somewhere else. Honestly, I want it transferred to Mactan Shrine. They need to change the statue there. Lapu-Lapu deserves a more decent and grand monument and not that one I saw several months ago.

how come after world war II and Manila was levelled, they didn't decide to pursue the burnham plan which was made much easier after the bombings that left manila essentially flat?

how come after world war II and Manila was levelled, they didn't decide to pursue the burnham plan which was made much easier after the bombings that left manila essentially flat?

^^ After the war, the national treasury was in shambles. Also the focus was just to rebuild, neglecting the plans.

^^ After the war, the national treasury was in shambles. Also the focus was just to rebuild, neglecting the plans.

how come after world war II and Manila was levelled, they didn't decide to pursue the burnham plan which was made much easier after the bombings that left manila essentially flat?

Because even before the war, the future capital was decided to be Quezon City so Manila was left to wrath and squatters began to move in into the empty lots and vacant properties like intramuros and never recovered to its past glory, it was only during Marcos presidency that Manila was restore again as the capital but even then it was too late because of the many illegal squatters and most of the structured that were destroyed were now rebuilt.

What is not clear to me, is why would they replace Manila as capital which by this time was already been well established capital of the country for centuries with buildings roads and bridges. Compare to Quezon city which still consider provincial and rural and only located in the vicinity of the city. Why not choose a better location in central Luzon , Southern Luzon or Vizayas,at least is far away not too close to Manila if they really want Manila to be replaced as Capital.

how come after world war II and Manila was levelled, they didn't decide to pursue the burnham plan which was made much easier after the bombings that left manila essentially flat?

Because even before the war, the future capital was decided to be Quezon City so Manila was left to wrath and squatters began to move in into the empty lots and vacant properties like intramuros and never recovered to its past glory, it was only during Marcos presidency that Manila was restore again as the capital but even then it was too late because of the many illegal squatters and most of the structured that were destroyed were now rebuilt.

What is not clear to me, is why would they replace Manila as capital which by this time was already been well established capital of the country for centuries with buildings roads and bridges. Compare to Quezon city which still consider provincial and rural and only located in the vicinity of the city. Why not choose a better location in central Luzon , Southern Luzon or Vizayas,at least is far away not too close to Manila if they really want Manila to be replaced as Capital.

I don't actually agree with it either, and I don't think it it would be a diplomatic blunder if we would transfer it somewhere else. Honestly, I want it transferred to Mactan Shrine. They need to change the statue there. Lapu-Lapu deserves a more decent and grand monument and not that one I saw several months ago.

Diplomatic blunder? I don't think they specified Luneta as the site. And we should know better where to place monuments, or how to preserve the memory of sites, but . . .

Look at what those people are doing to our country. They are contributing to the destruction of our remaining forests in the Subic area.

I don't actually agree with it either, and I don't think it it would be a diplomatic blunder if we would transfer it somewhere else. Honestly, I want it transferred to Mactan Shrine. They need to change the statue there. Lapu-Lapu deserves a more decent and grand monument and not that one I saw several months ago.

Diplomatic blunder? I don't think they specified Luneta as the site. And we should know better where to place monuments, or how to preserve the memory of sites, but . . .

Look at what those people are doing to our country. They are contributing to the destruction of our remaining forests in the Subic area.

Because even before the war, the future capital was decided to be Quezon City so Manila was left to wrath and squatters began to move in into the empty lots and vacant properties like intramuros and never recovered to its past glory, it was only during Marcos presidency that Manila was restore again as the capital but even then it was too late because of the many illegal squatters and most of the structured that were destroyed were now rebuilt.

What is not clear to me, is why would they replace Manila as capital which by this time was already been well established capital of the country for centuries with buildings roads and bridges. Compare to Quezon city which still consider provincial and rural and only located in the vicinity of the city. Why not choose a better location in central Luzon , Southern Luzon or Vizayas,at least is far away not too close to Manila if they really want Manila to be replaced as Capital.

Mayabang kasi si President Quezon eh :banana:

Because even before the war, the future capital was decided to be Quezon City so Manila was left to wrath and squatters began to move in into the empty lots and vacant properties like intramuros and never recovered to its past glory, it was only during Marcos presidency that Manila was restore again as the capital but even then it was too late because of the many illegal squatters and most of the structured that were destroyed were now rebuilt.

What is not clear to me, is why would they replace Manila as capital which by this time was already been well established capital of the country for centuries with buildings roads and bridges. Compare to Quezon city which still consider provincial and rural and only located in the vicinity of the city. Why not choose a better location in central Luzon , Southern Luzon or Vizayas,at least is far away not too close to Manila if they really want Manila to be replaced as Capital.

Mayabang kasi si President Quezon eh :banana:

^^ Could it be that he wanted to make a copy of Washington DC since he had seen it with its neoclassical buildings and wide avenues...

^^ Could it be that he wanted to make a copy of Washington DC since he had seen it with its neoclassical buildings and wide avenues...

^^

But the Burnham plan dates back to the early decades of the American period. The Quezon City plan was conceived as a modern city, probably similar to Brasilia. By then, Manila was already congested. Even the UP campus was deemed too small for the population so the Diliman campus was being built even before the war started.

Quezon City was founded after Quezon was dead so . . . . :lol:

^^

But the Burnham plan dates back to the early decades of the American period. The Quezon City plan was conceived as a modern city, probably similar to Brasilia. By then, Manila was already congested. Even the UP campus was deemed too small for the population so the Diliman campus was being built even before the war started.

Quezon City was founded after Quezon was dead so . . . . :lol:

Colegio de Santa Rosa


The Colegio de Santa Rosa still stands on the spot where it was founded way back in 1750.

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Colegio de Santa Rosa


The Colegio de Santa Rosa still stands on the spot where it was founded way back in 1750.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7647/starosa2ia9.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6072/starosade5.jpg

The ECJ Building (left), formerly the Augustinian Procuracion stands beside the ruins of the Second Monastery of San Agustin (right).

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3519/ecjmj8.jpg

The ECJ Building (left), formerly the Augustinian Procuracion stands beside the ruins of the Second Monastery of San Agustin (right).

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3519/ecjmj8.jpg

The Church of San Pablo or the Agustinian Church

Maintenance work on the facade is already done.
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Ongoing maintenance work along the lateral facade.
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Scaffolding along the apse.
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The Church of San Pablo or the Agustinian Church

Maintenance work on the facade is already done.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/791/sanagustinchurchve7.jpg

Ongoing maintenance work along the lateral facade.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5991/sanagustinr1ta8.jpg

Scaffolding along the apse.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5334/sanagustinr2kq7.jpg

The Maestranza Project

The Maestranza section of Intramuros is buzzing with construction projects. I can't believe that they're using both hollow blocks and adobe stones. I wonder if Architect Ramon Zaragoza did likewise when he restored the other sections of the walls.

The Maestranza Project

The Maestranza section of Intramuros is buzzing with construction projects. I can't believe that they're using both hollow blocks and adobe stones. I wonder if Architect Ramon Zaragoza did likewise when he restored the other sections of the walls.

^^

But the Burnham plan dates back to the early decades of the American period. The Quezon City plan was conceived as a modern city, probably similar to Brasilia. By then, Manila was already congested. Even the UP campus was deemed too small for the population so the Diliman campus was being built even before the war started.

Quezon City was founded after Quezon was dead so . . . . :lol:

I've always thought that Quezon had a hand in choosing the capital. Marieantoinette (not the Queen of France, hehe) even explained that when the name Quezon City was approved in Congress, then President Quezon sat on it out of delicadeza which meant it became a law anyway.

Here's an excerpt from the MSN Encarta:

Quezon City, city of the Philippines, in Rizal Province, on central Luzon Island, adjacent to Manila. It is one of the country’s largest cities and, although primarily residential, contains some light industry. Government activities and tourism are also important to the city's economic base. In Quezon City are the University of the Philippines (1908) and Ateneo de Manila University (1859). The site was selected as the new capital of the Philippines in 1937 and officially replaced Manila as capital from 1948 to 1976. The settlement is named for Manuel Luis Quezon y Molina, the first president of the Commonwealth of the Philippines, who was instrumental in having the capital moved here; it was returned to Manila in 1976. Population (2005 estimate) 2,390,688.

^^

But the Burnham plan dates back to the early decades of the American period. The Quezon City plan was conceived as a modern city, probably similar to Brasilia. By then, Manila was already congested. Even the UP campus was deemed too small for the population so the Diliman campus was being built even before the war started.

Quezon City was founded after Quezon was dead so . . . . :lol:

I've always thought that Quezon had a hand in choosing the capital. Marieantoinette (not the Queen of France, hehe) even explained that when the name Quezon City was approved in Congress, then President Quezon sat on it out of delicadeza which meant it became a law anyway.

Here's an excerpt from the MSN Encarta:

Quezon City, city of the Philippines, in Rizal Province, on central Luzon Island, adjacent to Manila. It is one of the country’s largest cities and, although primarily residential, contains some light industry. Government activities and tourism are also important to the city's economic base. In Quezon City are the University of the Philippines (1908) and Ateneo de Manila University (1859). The site was selected as the new capital of the Philippines in 1937 and officially replaced Manila as capital from 1948 to 1976. The settlement is named for Manuel Luis Quezon y Molina, the first president of the Commonwealth of the Philippines, who was instrumental in having the capital moved here; it was returned to Manila in 1976. Population (2005 estimate) 2,390,688.

Yes, Quezon wanted a new capital. He had a hand in selecting the site, but not its realization, including a number of laws to carve out the city from the surrounding towns.

But when it was founded, he was already dead.

Yes, Quezon wanted a new capital. He had a hand in selecting the site, but not its realization, including a number of laws to carve out the city from the surrounding towns.

But when it was founded, he was already dead.

Yes, Quezon wanted a new capital. He had a hand in selecting the site, but not its realization, including a number of laws to carve out the city from the surrounding towns.

But when it was founded, he was already dead.

What about the plans for the new capital? The founding and materialization would of course be at a latter date than the conception and planning but were they not already in existence before his death and with his hands stamped on them?

Yes, Quezon wanted a new capital. He had a hand in selecting the site, but not its realization, including a number of laws to carve out the city from the surrounding towns.

But when it was founded, he was already dead.

What about the plans for the new capital? The founding and materialization would of course be at a latter date than the conception and planning but were they not already in existence before his death and with his hands stamped on them?

The ECJ Building (left), formerly the Augustinian Procuracion stands beside the ruins of the Second Monastery of San Agustin (right).

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3519/ecjmj8.jpg

What does ECJ means? Is this an office? Was this fully destroyed during the war or parts of it where salvaged like the ground floor? Salamat.

The ECJ Building (left), formerly the Augustinian Procuracion stands beside the ruins of the Second Monastery of San Agustin (right).

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3519/ecjmj8.jpg

What does ECJ means? Is this an office? Was this fully destroyed during the war or parts of it where salvaged like the ground floor? Salamat.

The Maestranza Project

The Maestranza section of Intramuros is buzzing with construction projects. I can't believe that they're using both hollow blocks and adobe stones. I wonder if Architect Ramon Zaragoza did likewise when he restored the other sections of the walls.

It looks like the upper portions of the walls (old reconstructions) like the crenelations where poured with concrete or cement, with the outer wall being of adobe or bricks. So the middle portions looks like cement/concrete. It has a different look and texture.

The Maestranza Project

The Maestranza section of Intramuros is buzzing with construction projects. I can't believe that they're using both hollow blocks and adobe stones. I wonder if Architect Ramon Zaragoza did likewise when he restored the other sections of the walls.

It looks like the upper portions of the walls (old reconstructions) like the crenelations where poured with concrete or cement, with the outer wall being of adobe or bricks. So the middle portions looks like cement/concrete. It has a different look and texture.

What about the plans for the new capital? The founding and materialization would of course be at a latter date than the conception and planning but were they not already in existence before his death and with his hands stamped on them?

There were at least two plans. The first is the government center, planned around the Capitol ( The Elliptical Road / Quezon Monument ). The Department of Agriculture and its twin building were from this period. They were in the International Style.

During the Marcos era, another plan for a new government center was made. I'm not sure though whether the plan of the present Batasan Complex came from this or from another more recent masterplan.

What does ECJ means? Is this an office? Was this fully destroyed during the war or parts of it where salvaged like the ground floor? Salamat.

ECJ is a private corporation. Sorry, I do not know the full name of the person. I know that the ruins of the ground floor of this building was not bulldozed. It may have been incorporated into the present structure.

It looks like the upper portions of the walls (old reconstructions) like the crenelations where poured with concrete or cement, with the outer wall being of adobe or bricks. So the middle portions looks like cement/concrete. It has a different look and texture.

It may have been the same here at Maestranza. The core of the structure would have been cement and hollow blocks.

What about the plans for the new capital? The founding and materialization would of course be at a latter date than the conception and planning but were they not already in existence before his death and with his hands stamped on them?

There were at least two plans. The first is the government center, planned around the Capitol ( The Elliptical Road / Quezon Monument ). The Department of Agriculture and its twin building were from this period. They were in the International Style.

During the Marcos era, another plan for a new government center was made. I'm not sure though whether the plan of the present Batasan Complex came from this or from another more recent masterplan.

What does ECJ means? Is this an office? Was this fully destroyed during the war or parts of it where salvaged like the ground floor? Salamat.

ECJ is a private corporation. Sorry, I do not know the full name of the person. I know that the ruins of the ground floor of this building was not bulldozed. It may have been incorporated into the present structure.

It looks like the upper portions of the walls (old reconstructions) like the crenelations where poured with concrete or cement, with the outer wall being of adobe or bricks. So the middle portions looks like cement/concrete. It has a different look and texture.

It may have been the same here at Maestranza. The core of the structure would have been cement and hollow blocks.

There were at least two plans. The first is the government center, planned around the Capitol ( The Elliptical Road / Quezon Monument ). The Department of Agriculture and its twin building were from this period. They were in the International Style.

During the Marcos era, another plan for a new government center was made. I'm not sure though whether the plan of the present Batasan Complex came from this or from another more recent masterplan.

According to Bernie, at Prof. Alcazaren's lecture at Instituto Cervantes, he said that the plans were already in existence even before the war... so that was before the death of MLQ.

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/201/600x600/73/P7093336.JPG?et=4kVJxYHQshbz%2Bn6dQSTuFA&nmid=104881192

There were at least two plans. The first is the government center, planned around the Capitol ( The Elliptical Road / Quezon Monument ). The Department of Agriculture and its twin building were from this period. They were in the International Style.

During the Marcos era, another plan for a new government center was made. I'm not sure though whether the plan of the present Batasan Complex came from this or from another more recent masterplan.

According to Bernie, at Prof. Alcazaren's lecture at Instituto Cervantes, he said that the plans were already in existence even before the war... so that was before the death of MLQ.

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/201/600x600/73/P7093336.JPG?et=4kVJxYHQshbz%2Bn6dQSTuFA&nmid=104881192

According to Bernie, at Prof. Alcazaren's lecture at Instituto Cervantes, he said that the plans were already in existence even before the war... so that was before the death of MLQ.

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/201/600x600/73/P7093336.JPG?et=4kVJxYHQshbz%2Bn6dQSTuFA&nmid=104881192

Ah ok, now I remember that. It must have been one of the Chicago planners. The UP Diliman layout may have been from that time.

According to Bernie, at Prof. Alcazaren's lecture at Instituto Cervantes, he said that the plans were already in existence even before the war... so that was before the death of MLQ.

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/2/photos/201/600x600/73/P7093336.JPG?et=4kVJxYHQshbz%2Bn6dQSTuFA&nmid=104881192

Ah ok, now I remember that. It must have been one of the Chicago planners. The UP Diliman layout may have been from that time.

Here's a related article which would answer much of Diz' query:

Genesis of Manila's Central Park (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=419525&publicationSubCategoryId=85)

CITY SENSE By Paulo Alcazaren Updated November 29, 2008 12:00 AM

A trip to the Heritage Conservation Society’s headquarters to pick up copies of their wonderful 2009 calendar led me to this week’s article. The HCS offices are on the ground floor of the Museo Pambata, formerly the prewar Elk’s Club and twin to the Army Navy Club close by. The two exclusive clubs fronted Burnham Green — now part of what is known as Rizal Park.

This large open area, our de facto Central Park, will, however, always be known to me and those of older generations as the Luneta. The 60-hectare swath of green was not intended to be a park as I showed in previous features in this column. It was a recreational spot in the Spanish period and site of the Manila Carnival as well as rodeos and baseball games in the early American period.

The American architect and planner Daniel Burnham had meant for this space to house the new colonial government complex as modeled after Washington DC. Burnham’s master plan had, in any case, already provided for four large parks placed north, south, northeast, and southeast of Manila.

The government center was started but was never completed as the country turned into a commonwealth in mid-1935. Shortly thereafter, President Quezon made the decision to move the capital to a new spot well inland and protected from possible sea attack by invaders.

The government complex at the Luneta stopped construction with only five main buildings erected. The Agriculture, Finance, Municipal Hall and Post Office, and Legislative buildings were built along with the Rizal monument. All of these — except for the monument, the Manila City Hall and the Post Office — were to have been moved eventually to Quezon City in the 1940s, but the Second World War intervened.

With the liberation of Manila in 1945, the city sought to rebuild itself. Put in charge of re-planning was the American landscape architect and planner Louis P. Croft who had been a consultant to President Quezon before the war for the Philippine national parks system and the planning of the new capital city. Along with his family, he was interred at the University of Santo Tomas during the war.

The devastation of central Manila was extensive. Croft and his new office, the National Planning Commission, sought to quickly rehabilitate the city and start on the new capital to the east. The commission’s plans for this old area were outlined in a short report in The Sunday Times magazine in December 1947.

The title of the piece showed the clear intent of the planners — “Central Park for Manila.” Manila was still the business center and Croft intended to turn the old Burnham site for the national government center into a central green open space surrounded by Manila’s civic buildings. Quezon City already had designs for the Congress, a new Malacañang and a Supreme Court complex to be sited in and around the Elliptical Circle.

The report stated, “One of the areas in Manila, which has been thoroughly considered and studied by the Planning Commission, is the proposed civic center and central park. Louis P. Croft, adviser to the President on planning, has his heart set on the area covered by the Burnham plan of Manila …broadly speaking, the area… is within the boundaries of the Pasig River, Otis and Isaac Peral (United Nations) Streets, Manila Bay, and Bonifacio Drive. The block east of Taft Avenue and the river will be devoted to administrative functions and cultural activities.”

“A City Hall will be the dominant motif (remember that the pre-war City Hall was almost razed to the ground)…this tower-like building will command views of Manila Bay, the Botanical Gardens, the surrounding districts of Manila, including the mountains of Cavite, Corregidor, Mariveles and Bataan, Banahaw, and Makiling.” The air in Manila back then must have really been pollution-free for these views to be possible!

The article continued, “There will be ample space surrounding each building (in the city’s civic complex) for suitable landscaping and parking spaces. Ample terraces from which the public may view parades and processions would be provided. An auditorium, which would take care of symphony concerts, public gatherings, conventions and public meetings, will be connected directly with the proposed City Hall and library.”

The Metropolitan Theater was also gutted in the war and Croft apparently assumed it would be completely torn down to make room for the new complex. As it turned out, the ruins of the Met were left to decay into the 1950s, becoming the site of a boxing stadium and later, say some reports, the site of the first gay club in Manila before it was fully restored by Imelda Marcos in the ‘70s.

The report highlighted further: “A botanical garden east of Intramuros within a traffic oval is proposed, and within this garden, typical Philippine plants will be displayed for those who would like to have passing study of local flora.”

This is the Liwasang Bonifacio area today and the location, too, of the Winner Foundation’s Arroceros Park, which has the same intent as Croft’s plan.

The feature continues, “Mehan Gardens and all other open areas around Intramuros will be reserved for a botanical park (bigger in scale to a botanical garden). An impressive (area) along the axis of the present Rizal monument…will comprise the greater portion of the Central Park.”

Croft’s plan included what to do with the American embassy complex, which was also in ruins. “A marine park, including an aquarium, is proposed in (this former site of the embassy, and the two clubs).”

Finally on Intramuros, which still had the shells of many of the churches and convents intact, the report stated, “With respect to Intramuros, a historical committee is looking at the necessity of restoring historical buildings like churches, schools and convents, and is also making studies of the kinds of buildings or land uses within the walls.”

Croft’s master plan drawing clearly shows his intent to turn the devastated central area of Manila into its central park and civic center; with Intramuros as a conserved or restored historical district. Quezon City was to have been developed fully as the new capital, but it was important for Manila, as the business and cultural capital, to rebuild itself. Besides, most of the metropolis’ population still lived in the city until the 1960s.

Croft’s plan was never implemented fully. There were precious little funds for reconstruction. The national government center in Quezon City did not get started until the late 1950s, so the Legislative, Finance, and Agriculture buildings were rebuilt. The American Embassy rebuilt its complex, but the Met had to wait till the ‘70s.

Luneta was a wasteland until 1953 when it was cleared for the Manila International Fair (which I featured a few years ago). Thereafter it lay fallow until efforts to build a cultural center for Rizal’s centenary in 1961 stared up. That project, too, lost steam.

It was not until civic groups, led by then First Lady Eva Macapagal, sought to clear the areas around the Rizal Monument and Quirino Grandstand that the area started to fulfill Croft’s original intent. First Lady Imelda Marcos and newsman Doroy Valencia picked up from where Eva Macapagal left off. Landscape architects Dolly Perez and eventually IP Santos were called in for professional help. Intramuros followed suit, but in the interim its old facades were bulldozed partly to help clear the area of squatters in the 1960s.

The rest is more contemporary history that current generations are familiar with. Luneta became Rizal Park by presidential decree in the mid-’70s and along with the Intramuros, it was turned over to the Intramuros Administration (under the Office of the President) and the National Parks Development Committee (under the Department of Tourism).

Rizal Park is the “Central Park” of Manila. Few public open areas are left in the whole metropolis for this purpose. Government has seen it fit to dispose of its properties for quick profits rather than to manage this irreplaceable resource of valuable lands. Quezon City has hundreds of hectares still open for possible park development but overlapping jurisdictions (QC government, the UP, NHA, DENR, GSIS, and other national government agencies) make it difficult to rationalize a single master plan.

This seems to be the problem since Burnham’s and Croft’s eras. No central metropolitan authority has been able to prepare and implement a metro-wide comprehensive physical master plan that would address the public’s and not just politicians’ needs.

Parks are for people and a metro-population of 11 million needs several parks with a combined area equivalent to two of New York’s Central Park or 10 Rizal Parks just to cater to minimum requirements of open space and green relief.

When and how will we recover our heritage of green and our right to free open space?

Here's a related article which would answer much of Diz' query:

Genesis of Manila's Central Park (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=419525&publicationSubCategoryId=85)

CITY SENSE By Paulo Alcazaren Updated November 29, 2008 12:00 AM

A trip to the Heritage Conservation Society’s headquarters to pick up copies of their wonderful 2009 calendar led me to this week’s article. The HCS offices are on the ground floor of the Museo Pambata, formerly the prewar Elk’s Club and twin to the Army Navy Club close by. The two exclusive clubs fronted Burnham Green — now part of what is known as Rizal Park.

This large open area, our de facto Central Park, will, however, always be known to me and those of older generations as the Luneta. The 60-hectare swath of green was not intended to be a park as I showed in previous features in this column. It was a recreational spot in the Spanish period and site of the Manila Carnival as well as rodeos and baseball games in the early American period.

The American architect and planner Daniel Burnham had meant for this space to house the new colonial government complex as modeled after Washington DC. Burnham’s master plan had, in any case, already provided for four large parks placed north, south, northeast, and southeast of Manila.

The government center was started but was never completed as the country turned into a commonwealth in mid-1935. Shortly thereafter, President Quezon made the decision to move the capital to a new spot well inland and protected from possible sea attack by invaders.

The government complex at the Luneta stopped construction with only five main buildings erected. The Agriculture, Finance, Municipal Hall and Post Office, and Legislative buildings were built along with the Rizal monument. All of these — except for the monument, the Manila City Hall and the Post Office — were to have been moved eventually to Quezon City in the 1940s, but the Second World War intervened.

With the liberation of Manila in 1945, the city sought to rebuild itself. Put in charge of re-planning was the American landscape architect and planner Louis P. Croft who had been a consultant to President Quezon before the war for the Philippine national parks system and the planning of the new capital city. Along with his family, he was interred at the University of Santo Tomas during the war.

The devastation of central Manila was extensive. Croft and his new office, the National Planning Commission, sought to quickly rehabilitate the city and start on the new capital to the east. The commission’s plans for this old area were outlined in a short report in The Sunday Times magazine in December 1947.

The title of the piece showed the clear intent of the planners — “Central Park for Manila.” Manila was still the business center and Croft intended to turn the old Burnham site for the national government center into a central green open space surrounded by Manila’s civic buildings. Quezon City already had designs for the Congress, a new Malacañang and a Supreme Court complex to be sited in and around the Elliptical Circle.

The report stated, “One of the areas in Manila, which has been thoroughly considered and studied by the Planning Commission, is the proposed civic center and central park. Louis P. Croft, adviser to the President on planning, has his heart set on the area covered by the Burnham plan of Manila …broadly speaking, the area… is within the boundaries of the Pasig River, Otis and Isaac Peral (United Nations) Streets, Manila Bay, and Bonifacio Drive. The block east of Taft Avenue and the river will be devoted to administrative functions and cultural activities.”

“A City Hall will be the dominant motif (remember that the pre-war City Hall was almost razed to the ground)…this tower-like building will command views of Manila Bay, the Botanical Gardens, the surrounding districts of Manila, including the mountains of Cavite, Corregidor, Mariveles and Bataan, Banahaw, and Makiling.” The air in Manila back then must have really been pollution-free for these views to be possible!

The article continued, “There will be ample space surrounding each building (in the city’s civic complex) for suitable landscaping and parking spaces. Ample terraces from which the public may view parades and processions would be provided. An auditorium, which would take care of symphony concerts, public gatherings, conventions and public meetings, will be connected directly with the proposed City Hall and library.”

The Metropolitan Theater was also gutted in the war and Croft apparently assumed it would be completely torn down to make room for the new complex. As it turned out, the ruins of the Met were left to decay into the 1950s, becoming the site of a boxing stadium and later, say some reports, the site of the first gay club in Manila before it was fully restored by Imelda Marcos in the ‘70s.

The report highlighted further: “A botanical garden east of Intramuros within a traffic oval is proposed, and within this garden, typical Philippine plants will be displayed for those who would like to have passing study of local flora.”

This is the Liwasang Bonifacio area today and the location, too, of the Winner Foundation’s Arroceros Park, which has the same intent as Croft’s plan.

The feature continues, “Mehan Gardens and all other open areas around Intramuros will be reserved for a botanical park (bigger in scale to a botanical garden). An impressive (area) along the axis of the present Rizal monument…will comprise the greater portion of the Central Park.”

Croft’s plan included what to do with the American embassy complex, which was also in ruins. “A marine park, including an aquarium, is proposed in (this former site of the embassy, and the two clubs).”

Finally on Intramuros, which still had the shells of many of the churches and convents intact, the report stated, “With respect to Intramuros, a historical committee is looking at the necessity of restoring historical buildings like churches, schools and convents, and is also making studies of the kinds of buildings or land uses within the walls.”

Croft’s master plan drawing clearly shows his intent to turn the devastated central area of Manila into its central park and civic center; with Intramuros as a conserved or restored historical district. Quezon City was to have been developed fully as the new capital, but it was important for Manila, as the business and cultural capital, to rebuild itself. Besides, most of the metropolis’ population still lived in the city until the 1960s.

Croft’s plan was never implemented fully. There were precious little funds for reconstruction. The national government center in Quezon City did not get started until the late 1950s, so the Legislative, Finance, and Agriculture buildings were rebuilt. The American Embassy rebuilt its complex, but the Met had to wait till the ‘70s.

Luneta was a wasteland until 1953 when it was cleared for the Manila International Fair (which I featured a few years ago). Thereafter it lay fallow until efforts to build a cultural center for Rizal’s centenary in 1961 stared up. That project, too, lost steam.

It was not until civic groups, led by then First Lady Eva Macapagal, sought to clear the areas around the Rizal Monument and Quirino Grandstand that the area started to fulfill Croft’s original intent. First Lady Imelda Marcos and newsman Doroy Valencia picked up from where Eva Macapagal left off. Landscape architects Dolly Perez and eventually IP Santos were called in for professional help. Intramuros followed suit, but in the interim its old facades were bulldozed partly to help clear the area of squatters in the 1960s.

The rest is more contemporary history that current generations are familiar with. Luneta became Rizal Park by presidential decree in the mid-’70s and along with the Intramuros, it was turned over to the Intramuros Administration (under the Office of the President) and the National Parks Development Committee (under the Department of Tourism).

Rizal Park is the “Central Park” of Manila. Few public open areas are left in the whole metropolis for this purpose. Government has seen it fit to dispose of its properties for quick profits rather than to manage this irreplaceable resource of valuable lands. Quezon City has hundreds of hectares still open for possible park development but overlapping jurisdictions (QC government, the UP, NHA, DENR, GSIS, and other national government agencies) make it difficult to rationalize a single master plan.

This seems to be the problem since Burnham’s and Croft’s eras. No central metropolitan authority has been able to prepare and implement a metro-wide comprehensive physical master plan that would address the public’s and not just politicians’ needs.

Parks are for people and a metro-population of 11 million needs several parks with a combined area equivalent to two of New York’s Central Park or 10 Rizal Parks just to cater to minimum requirements of open space and green relief.

When and how will we recover our heritage of green and our right to free open space?

But why build the Finance and Agriculture Buildings at the Agrifina Circle when they are planning to move at that time?

But why build the Finance and Agriculture Buildings at the Agrifina Circle when they are planning to move at that time?

But why build the Finance and Agriculture Buildings at the Agrifina Circle when they are planning to move at that time?

There was a change of plan...

The government center was started but was never completed as the country turned into a commonwealth in mid-1935. Shortly thereafter, President Quezon made the decision to move the capital to a new spot well inland and protected from possible sea attack by invaders.

But why build the Finance and Agriculture Buildings at the Agrifina Circle when they are planning to move at that time?

There was a change of plan...

The government center was started but was never completed as the country turned into a commonwealth in mid-1935. Shortly thereafter, President Quezon made the decision to move the capital to a new spot well inland and protected from possible sea attack by invaders.

Ginawa yung Finance Building, 1940 na. Kaya bago pa ito nang nadamage noong Second World War.

Ginawa yung Finance Building, 1940 na. Kaya bago pa ito nang nadamage noong Second World War.