Ciudad Amurallada: Intramuros de Manila [Archive]

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:19 AM

I love this place, i think it has an amazing potential to be the hottest tourist spot in the country. I hope they do right with this place in terms of development.

Ladies and Gents, Intramuros
so romantic

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Manila Cathedral
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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020475.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020473.jpg

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dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:19 AM

manileño

November 25th, 2005, 08:33 AM

it was the most beautiful city in the Far East before WWII.

What we're seeing today is actually just 10%(?) of the whole structure before it was razed to the ground during World War 2.

Any new structures(replicas) being built? rebuilt? what's new in Intramuros? i never been there in a couple of years?

manileño

November 25th, 2005, 08:33 AM

tigidig14

November 25th, 2005, 08:35 AM

gr8 stuff, dance and knowing ur from chi-town ;)
gr8 things will happen to good pimps

tigidig14

November 25th, 2005, 08:35 AM

gr8 stuff, dance and knowing ur from chi-town ;)
gr8 things will happen to good pimps

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:45 AM

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:45 AM

marites4

November 25th, 2005, 08:55 AM

I love those antique houses too. Does anybody know if there are any plans to remove the squatters in intramuros. It's a shame to have squatters in sucha beautiful place.

marites4

November 25th, 2005, 08:55 AM

I love those antique houses too. Does anybody know if there are any plans to remove the squatters in intramuros. It's a shame to have squatters in sucha beautiful place.

manileño

November 25th, 2005, 09:08 AM

hehehehe, thanks tig, shucks. :) :)

@ manileno, nothing much is really going up in Intramuros, it's a good and bad thing. It's a good thing because nothing shitty has come up and it's bad because they can do real good with the place. Nevertheless, the department of tourism has taken over intramuros and they hold many tourist conventions there representing provinces throughout the country. Most of the structures have been preserved very very well and are now museums, shops, and restaurants. They have several bandshells there that allow some low key concerts. I think the revitilization of Intramuros would do Manila lots of good. I actually took a tour of one of the houses in Intramuros, it was amazing. Just amazing to see the inside fully preserved. Even the spices in the kitchen of this house was still there waiting to be used.

When i was there last month, i felt i tinge of sadness for the place and for our people in general. It maybe because our past so glorious is often ignored and under utilized in rallying the citizens or maybe its because of the placards around intramuros showing pictures of glorious structures that once stood in a pile of rubble that lay before me. Those damned Japanese fucked things up. I think if any reconstructing were to happen, THEY SHOULD PAY FOR IT. They owe us our national heritage, God knows we didn't do shit to their national heritage places.

i see. from what i read, the Americans were the ones who actually razed Intramuros to the ground. It was the "Liberation of Manila". The Americans were in their final stages of the campaign to drive away the Japanese (after the 2 atomic bombs) and they did open fire to most structures in Manila and Intramuros not minding if it was a Japanese or a native that gets hit).

I read from somewhere that Gen. Douglas MacArthur even apologized to Sergio Osmena for the devastation of Manila (Intramuros) saying something like "Now that the city lays in ruin, you can pursue a national rebuilding/re-awakening without these monuments that may blind you in your search for your true national identity. You can start all over Again."

manileño

November 25th, 2005, 09:08 AM

Lili

November 25th, 2005, 09:15 AM

Thank you for the sharing the wonderful pictures Ben. There is one picture there with just a shell of the building. What is that building?

Is it only the Japanese to be blamed for the destruction of Intramuros? Didn't the US also bombed Manila? So sad, our cultural heritage had to be a casualty of the war between these nations. tsk. tsk.

(I see Manileno already responded to my query. Gracias.)

Lili

November 25th, 2005, 09:15 AM

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 03:28 PM

Thanks Manileno. Thanks for clearing that up. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, the Americans are doing the same thing to Iraq's national heritage. The damage there is even more sinful because they are destroying structures that were present at the cradle of civilization. They really &%^* up in Iraq. I think they also ^%&$ up here in the Philippines, but hey.

Things are done and over, let's focus on what we have left; NOW AND THE FUTURE.

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 03:28 PM

drfeelgood17

November 25th, 2005, 03:45 PM

Thanks Dancethingy - at last we have a thread for Intramuros! Great idea! :)

Quote: I read from somewhere that Gen. Douglas MacArthur even apologized to Sergio Osmena for the devastation of Manila (Intramuros) saying something like "Now that the city lays in ruin, you can pursue a national rebuilding/re-awakening without these monuments that may blind you in your search for your true national identity. You can start all over Again."

If MacArthur really said this, then maybe it's time Filipinos stop worshipping him as a hero. I don't see the Japanese worshipping the pilots of the Enola Gay (the plane that dropped the first A-bomb on Hiroshima)....

drfeelgood17

November 25th, 2005, 03:45 PM

drfeelgood17

November 25th, 2005, 03:52 PM

On a more positive note, it looks like Mayor Atienza has done a lot of good work recently! I hope he keeps up the momemtum.

drfeelgood17

November 25th, 2005, 03:52 PM

On a more positive note, it looks like Mayor Atienza has done a lot of good work recently! I hope he keeps up the momemtum.

Culiat

November 25th, 2005, 06:14 PM

at last a seperate thread for Intramuros! :)

Culiat

November 25th, 2005, 06:14 PM

at last a seperate thread for Intramuros! :)

Culiat

November 25th, 2005, 06:24 PM

gr8 pictures dancethingy!

Culiat

November 25th, 2005, 06:24 PM

gr8 pictures dancethingy!

kalabaw

November 25th, 2005, 06:30 PM

Thank you for the sharing the wonderful pictures Ben. There is one picture there with just a shell of the building. What is that building?

I forgot the name of the building. I initially thought it was the Ayuntamiento, but when I googled it, I found out that Ayuntamiento was the ruined building near Plaza Roma. Oh well, all I know is that the building was supposed to be a museum. Restoration started during the Ramos administration but I don't what happened next.

My university was inside the Intramuros. Whenever I have free time back in college, I always stroll around the streets of Intramuros. I think the Gral. Luna, especially the cobbled-stone portion of the San Agustin Church (from Sta. Potenciana to Real Streets) and the Sta. Lucia Streets are the best. You can really feel you're being transported back in time. Buildings in those streets were restored to resemble Spanish-era architecture.

When I graduated back in 2002, Mr. Atienza already started his (grandiose, if I may say) plans for Intramuros. After a year, when I went back to get some documents from the university, General Luna street was very beautiful, maybe because that was the time that they're preparing for the arrival of the Spanish King or Queen (or is the Prime Minister?). There were also some instances when restaurants close the streets for some al fresco dinner!!!

Btw, do you know that there's a hotel inside Intramuros? I just don't know if people really check-in there.

kalabaw

November 25th, 2005, 06:30 PM

Hawayano

November 25th, 2005, 06:59 PM

I forgot the name of the building. I initially thought it was the Ayuntamiento, but when I googled it, I found out that Ayuntamiento was the ruined building near Plaza Roma. Oh well, all I know is that the building was supposed to be a museum. Restoration started during the Ramos administration but I don't what happened next.

My university was inside the Intramuros. Whenever I have free time back in college, I always stroll around the streets of Intramuros. I think the Gral. Luna, especially the cobbled-stone portion of the San Agustin Church (from Sta. Potenciana to Real Streets) and the Sta. Lucia Streets are the best. You can really feel you're being transported back in time. Buildings in those streets were restored to resemble Spanish-era architecture.

When I graduated back in 2002, Mr. Atienza already started his (grandiose, if I may say) plans for Intramuros. After a year, when I went back to get some documents from the university, General Luna street was very beautiful, maybe because that was the time that they're preparing for the arrival of the Spanish King or Queen (or is the Prime Minister?). There were also some instances when restaurants close the streets for some al fresco dinner!!!

Btw, do you know that there's a hotel inside Intramuros? I just don't know if people really check-in there.

That shell is the former Intendencia building, kalabaw. After the war it was shortly used by the Central Bank (don't ask me what they used it for, though), But if you wanna go back to Spanish times, it was the customs house or Aduana . The parcel where it stands was, up until the American times, walled in as the baluarte or bulwark that even had its own two gates to the Pasig. Does anyone know what agency has jurisdiction over it now? They really should restore/rehabilitate it!

Hawayano

November 25th, 2005, 06:59 PM

Lili

November 25th, 2005, 07:13 PM

Lili

November 25th, 2005, 07:13 PM

Culiat

November 25th, 2005, 07:22 PM

If the Intendencia was used by the Central Bank, is it the building at the reverse side of the P100 bill (aside from the current central bank buildings)?

Culiat

November 25th, 2005, 07:22 PM

If the Intendencia was used by the Central Bank, is it the building at the reverse side of the P100 bill (aside from the current central bank buildings)?

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:44 PM

what does tendencia look like. I may have the pics for it. Actually i have tons more pics.

I also have pic of Fort Santiago, which is inside Intramuros i think. I'll post that tomorrow. I'm also going back there on a date. :) :) so i'll take more pics

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:44 PM

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:50 PM

Ate Marites, the informal settlers are still there and as much as i want to sympathize with them, the city really needs to get them out of there and help them out. They can revitalize the place and even hire them as tourist guides or street maintenance workers.

dancethingy

November 25th, 2005, 08:50 PM

marites4

November 25th, 2005, 08:57 PM

I agree dancethingy they just need to relocate them. It's for their own good too. One thing i like also are the calesas in intramuros.

marites4

November 25th, 2005, 08:57 PM

I agree dancethingy they just need to relocate them. It's for their own good too. One thing i like also are the calesas in intramuros.

sugarboy

November 25th, 2005, 10:55 PM

Play a Round With History in Manila
Thomas E. King

http://www.emanila.com/mediaeast/images/slide4a.jpg

Shortly after 10 AM on May 21, 1571 the calm of a Manila morning was broken by the sound of artillery heralding the first arrival of foreign forces.

The construction of a towering 4.5 km long stone wall and invincible bulwarks surrounded by a wide moat soon followed for a bastion that was to securely contain the seat of Spanish sovereignty in the Orient for over 300 years.

The exploits of those who lived, worked and indeed died within the old walled city known as Intramuros can only be hinted at in legend and song. The solid stone wall still stands, however, as a tangible testament to the extent of a once-vast Spanish empire.

While golfers recognise the heritage of the encircled colonial quarter, they also acknowledge that the moss-covered obstacle is as much of a hazard to a perfect game today as it has been ever since the establishment of the 9 hole Municipal golf Links just outside the walls in area dubbed the 'Sunken Garden'.

This was when land was first reclaimed from the most to create a course with considerable character on land reclaimed form the moat surrounding the enclave in the early 1930s.

Rebuilt after comprehensive damage during World War 11, expanded to 18 holes that snake almost the entire way around the ancient but somewhat reconstructed wall, Club Intramuros 2000, as it is now officially known, is not only one of the most historic golf grounds in Asia, it is also one of the continent's most unusual courses.

For starters, the par 66, 4125 yard course is the shortest of the numerous 18 hole layouts in capital.

Its compact nature has a distinct advantage because it's possible to play a round with history in well under two hours. If you are staying at the nearby Holiday Inn you can literally walk to the course for an early morning start, be finished and changed and ready for breakfast back at the hotel by 8 AM, and still make your first business meeting or conference session an hour later.

Golf has been a way of life in Manila for well over 110 years as the game was first introduced to city society in 1886 by British working for the Manila Railway Company. They built 3 hole course in paddy fields south of the walled Intramuros. By 1901 there was a 9 hole course adjoining the railway station. This was the beginning of the Manila Golf Club.

Ninety something years ago many aspects of life in the capital were quite different. For golfers it was a time when they used golf clubs with wooden shafts, called three iron "cleeks" and referred to seven irons as "mashies". Nine irons were known as "niblicks". Regardless of the era or the environment, the object of the game has always been the same: to break par.

At Club Intramuros this isn't the easiest thing to do. Studded with numerous lagoons and various other water hazards, all eager to 'swallow' golf balls, and haunted by the ever present wall which is every ready to reflect them, many golfers find the course very hard to play, especially for the first time as they are forced to shoot precisely along its tight, flat fairways and confront a few one-off peculiarities.

A good example is the par 4,337 yard 4th, which is considered by many players to be course's most difficult hole. Instead of just one wall to contend with the formidable 4th has stone on two sides. There's the high wall of Intramuros to the left plus the inconvenience of one of the walls of a former ammunition warehouse to the right. The first shot must be arrow straight from the tee and down the narrow channel between the two structures. The second must have enough power to cross a lagoon yet to be controlled enough to reach the elevated green yet avoid its four surrounding bunkers. The difficulty of the 4th hole is compensated by the ease of the 6th. This flat - except for its large highly elevated green - 152 - yard hole has recorded the most hole in ones.

Another hole of distinction is the 164 yard 10th. The signature hole of Club Intramuros features its green on an attractive, manmade island.

Beauty has a price, thought, as this, the first hole of the back nine, is the second most difficult on the course.

Further down the back nine is the nerve racking 15th, a par 3, 276 yard stretch. The reason for its notoriety is because its green is sandwiched between two big bunkers while to right of the fairway is a large lagoon.

And at the 18th, just when you think about relaxing, this 158 yard hole has stands of well matured trees on both sides of its very narrow fairway.

As well there's a wall of the Guadalupe Shrine and four bunkers guarding the elevated green that must be avoided to even come close to achieving a par 3.

This then is the golf scenario that greets golfers today. While the setting may be well over 60 years old the 'icing' on the course is relatively new as Club Intramuros was closed in mid 1996 for a total 'facelift'.

International golf architect and consultant, Andy Dye, closely supervised the redesign of the course in a makeover that also called for the debut of additional facilities including an environment sensitive clubhouse and the installation of an irrigation system using recycled water. Even before its reopening Dye said it was his best effort to date.

March 30, 1997 marked the reopening of Club Intramuros 2000 with the then President Fidel Ramos celebrating the ceremonial tee-off on a course that is also now fully flood lit for night play.

With fewer demands on his time these days and as an ardent golfer used to the Intramuros layout, the former President is now regularly able to take 'tee' after dark!.

(27 June 1998)

sugarboy

November 25th, 2005, 10:55 PM

dudz

November 26th, 2005, 03:01 AM

you really have covered the entire walled city, ben! great shots! i like the capiz windows and the balcony shots. and thank you for the thread:)

nice article @sugarboy. a good narrative tour of the golf course and its history. thanks:)

dudz

November 26th, 2005, 03:01 AM

Hawayano

November 26th, 2005, 06:16 AM

^ Thanks for that information Hawayano. You are a veritable treasure trove of information. :)

What about the squatters living inside Intramuros? Is there anybody in the forum who know if there plans to relocate them?

Thanks for the compliment, Lili! Anyway, I do agree that the homeless need to be relocated if the DOT really wants to make Intramuros a tourist-friendly destination in Manila (and the whole Phils., for that matter). I remember the last time we went walking along the top of the walls, we were kind of turned off by the presence of some suspicious-looking thugs who were just hanging out up there. Someone posted a picture somewhere in this forum that showed the congested cluster of shanties that spread roughly between the backside of the Cathedral all the way to the Lyceum. Can't imagine any wary overseas visitor wandering into those areas!

Hawayano

November 26th, 2005, 06:16 AM

dancethingy

November 26th, 2005, 07:16 AM

More pics More pic More pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@dudz, well my BF and I actually circled all of intramuros cause we got lost on our way to Fort Santiago, hehehehe. Good times Good times.

I think this is a bank in Intramuros
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020509.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020508.jpg

Around the tourist bandshells they have a replica of Banaue homeshttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020498.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020510.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020476.jpg

FORT SANTIAGO

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020522.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020523.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020525.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020521.jpg
More to come from my collection

dancethingy

November 26th, 2005, 07:16 AM

tigidig14

November 26th, 2005, 07:31 AM

u havent shown the midget horse yet

tigidig14

November 26th, 2005, 07:31 AM

u havent shown the midget horse yet

manileño

November 26th, 2005, 08:00 AM

It's all about Sanago and Manilacath!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/sanago.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/manilacath.jpg

manileño

November 26th, 2005, 08:00 AM

It's all about Sanago and Manilacath!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/sanago.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/manilacath.jpg

dancethingy

November 26th, 2005, 08:02 AM

oh yeah the midget horse, i forget where i posted those

dancethingy

November 26th, 2005, 08:02 AM

oh yeah the midget horse, i forget where i posted those

tigidig14

November 26th, 2005, 08:06 AM

^the last pics looks surreal, is that been photoshop

tigidig14

November 26th, 2005, 08:06 AM

^the last pics looks surreal, is that been photoshop

manileño

November 26th, 2005, 08:15 AM

i got it online. im no photographer.. Yet. jeje :)

manileño

November 26th, 2005, 08:15 AM

i got it online. im no photographer.. Yet. jeje :)

manileño

November 27th, 2005, 08:19 AM

Intramuros is key to making Manila a truly global city.

I've seen a lot of other cities with awesome skylines and skyscrapers.. but they really are nothing. Anyone with spare glass, metal, cement can do these skycraps.

But 500 years of bricks, massive stones, intricate sculptures and carvings, these are what really makes a city A CITY. A Liveable city.

New York is boring without its Liberty Statue and Ellis Island structures, and very old bridges.

I hope Manila and all other Philippine cities think about Heritage and Art and OWN IDENTITY when manhattanizing our many old cities.

cos im more impressed with a decaying building in intramuros than a towering rectangle or a box shaped mall in Davao.

manileño

November 27th, 2005, 08:19 AM

manileño

November 27th, 2005, 08:30 AM

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/ecj.jpg
Philippines.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/ladies_nyt/davao5.jpg
Trash.

manileño

November 27th, 2005, 08:30 AM

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/ecj.jpg
Philippines.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/ladies_nyt/davao5.jpg
Trash.

Aragon

November 28th, 2005, 03:13 AM

what the heck is the seconcd picture

Aragon

November 28th, 2005, 03:13 AM

what the heck is the seconcd picture

Animo

November 28th, 2005, 03:19 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/ladies_nyt/davao5.jpg[/IMG]
Trash.

Isn't this a Davao photo?

Animo

November 28th, 2005, 03:19 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/ladies_nyt/davao5.jpg[/IMG]
Trash.

Isn't this a Davao photo?

sugarboy

November 28th, 2005, 03:34 AM

indeed that's a davao photo. the overpass is the one in front of victoria plaza mall

sugarboy

November 28th, 2005, 03:34 AM

indeed that's a davao photo. the overpass is the one in front of victoria plaza mall

c0kelitr0

November 28th, 2005, 03:39 AM

oh my god, The Manila Cathedral looks magnifico in this pic!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/manilacath.jpg

c0kelitr0

November 28th, 2005, 03:39 AM

oh my god, The Manila Cathedral looks magnifico in this pic!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/manilacath.jpg

sandrin

November 28th, 2005, 04:03 AM

The pictures I googled:

http://www.vancouverpcg.net/GalleyAlbum/images/Intramuros_jpg.jpg

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/ft-santiago/ft-santiago-1.gif

sandrin

November 28th, 2005, 04:03 AM

The pictures I googled:

http://www.vancouverpcg.net/GalleyAlbum/images/Intramuros_jpg.jpg

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/ft-santiago/ft-santiago-1.gif

Lili

November 28th, 2005, 04:44 AM

^^ Dreamy pics.

Lili

November 28th, 2005, 04:44 AM

^^ Dreamy pics.

bagel

November 28th, 2005, 05:12 AM

Why would you call Davao trash? Davao is one of the great Philippine cities.

bagel

November 28th, 2005, 05:12 AM

Why would you call Davao trash? Davao is one of the great Philippine cities.

ryanr

November 28th, 2005, 05:27 AM

oh my god, The Manila Cathedral looks magnifico in this pic!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/manilacath.jpg

I know its absolutely stunning in that picture.:eek:

ryanr

November 28th, 2005, 05:27 AM

oh my god, The Manila Cathedral looks magnifico in this pic!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/nomdeusuario/manilacath.jpg

I know its absolutely stunning in that picture.:eek:

manileño

November 28th, 2005, 07:19 AM

yea. it beats Europe. Haha!

i hope we have more fotos like this that show how beautiful Manila and the Philippines really are! Makati architecture is all good, but they don't really draw the crowd/tourists.

manileño

November 28th, 2005, 07:19 AM

dancethingy

November 28th, 2005, 10:47 AM

More of Manila Cathedral

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020459.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020458.jpg

Calesas
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020516.jpg

Midget horse as requested by tigs
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020515.jpg

dancethingy

November 28th, 2005, 10:47 AM

manileño

November 28th, 2005, 10:56 AM

i mean many buildings in the Philippines are trash.. i mean look at those rectangles. If they were to build short buildings in the provinces, they might as well copy Intramuros and go art-deco. Makes it more pleasant to look at, despite its size. That's what we're lacking in our cityscapes. Peace :)

manileño

November 28th, 2005, 10:56 AM

drfeelgood17

November 28th, 2005, 05:05 PM

[QUOTE=dancethingy]More pics More pic More pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@dudz, well my BF and I actually circled all of intramuros cause we got lost on our way to Fort Santiago, hehehehe. Good times Good times.

I think this is a bank in Intramuros
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020509.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020508.jpg

This building is actually where the old Palacio del gobernador used to be.

drfeelgood17

November 28th, 2005, 05:05 PM

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:23 AM

Manila Intramuros banners

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnIntramBnrs3402.jpg

Manila intramuros restored building & cathedral

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnIntramBlgCath3402.jpg

Restored wood and stone Hispanic style building in Intramuros, Manila's walled city. On the left is Manila Cathedral

Despite war damage, it's not difficult to imagine how Intramuros must have looked during the Spanish era.

Manila Intramuros religious picture & shrine

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnIntramRlgPic3402.jpg

Religious picture and shrine on the side of a street in Intramuros, Manila's walled city.

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:23 AM

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:26 AM

Manila Intramuros derelict building

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnIntamDrlBlg3402.jpg

Derelict building inside Intramuros, the old walled city of Manila.

Intramuros was very badly damaged in World War 2 and has been partially reconstructed.

Manila Intramuros facade

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnIntramFcdA3402.jpg

Traditional facade in Manila's old walled city named Intramuros, literally 'inside the walls'.

Intramuros has been quite well restored, but it will never again look how it did before the outbreak of World War 2.

Manila Intramuros St Augustine's Church facade

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlIntrStAugCch3409.jpg

Spanish style church in Intramuros, the old town of Manila first founded by the Spanish in the 16th century.

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:26 AM

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:29 AM

Corregidor Philippines and United States flags with cannon

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpCorregBrks2Flags4430.jpg

Manila Fort Bonifacio entrance carvings

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlFortBonifGt4330.jpg

Manila University of Santo Tomas flower

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlPlpUstFlwr3410.jpg

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:29 AM

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:31 AM

Philippines Corregidor staff car of General Douglas McArthur

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpCorregMcArthCar4330.jpg

The car used by General Douglas McArthur during his tour of duty in the Philippines has ben set up as a museumpiece on the island of Corregidor, now a major visitor destination in the Philippines

The car which carried General McArthur all around the Philippines has now found its final resting place next to the remains of what was once the cinema in the American barracks.

Philippines Corregidor Island: Japanese statue

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpCorregShintoStat4331.jpg

Japanese-style Shinto statue at the Japanese memorial on the island of Corregidor, Philippines. The representation of a mother and three children commemorates the Japanese soldiers who died in action on the island of Corregidor during World War II.

Corredigor island is one of the most potent and memorable war-related historical sites in the world.

Philippines Manila City Hall Tower

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlCHallCanon5220.jpg

View of the tower of Manila City Hall from Intramuros, the old walled city, looking over an old canon.

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlCityHallTwr3409.jpg

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlCityHallTwr5216.jpg

The clock tower of Manila City Hall (built 1939) as seen from the east side of Intramuros, the walled city of Manila.

Manila City Hall is one of the best known symbols of Manila, but is not so well known around the world.

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:31 AM

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:33 AM

Philippines Corregidor Island: Ruins of Topside Barracks

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpCorregTopsdBrksDr4331.jpg

During the early 20th century a large number of American soldiers were based on Corregidor, the tiny but strategically important island which stands at the entrance to Manila Bay. After invasion by Japan in 1941, the island was re-taken by the Americans in 1944. Most of the buildings were severely damaged in the conflict and have been left as a memorial to war.

Find out more about Corregidor on the website of the Corregidor Historic Society http:// ***************

The abandoned US barracks on Corregidor Island are a potent reminder of the military presence of America in the Philippines, and of the destructiveness of war.

Manila UP Church of the Holy Sacrifice traditional chapel

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpUpCchTradChapel3424.jpg

Within the futuristic Church of the Holy Sacrifice is a chapel which features a traditional style bamboo interior and a portrait of the Madonna and child in a setting of the Philippines.

The Philippines is a striking combination of Spanish-style religious devotion with the crafts and traditions of south east Asia.

Manila University of Santo Tomas bird girl statue

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlUstBirdGirlStat3410.jpg

Sculpture of a winged female figure, part of a fountain in the garden at Manila University of Santo Tomas.

The architecture and character of this university built in the 19th century under Spanish rule has a very strong hispanic character.

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:33 AM

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:35 AM

Manila University of Santo Tomas Statue and Tower

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlUstStatTwr3410.jpg

Statue outside the main building of the University of Santo Tomas in Manila. UST was founded in 1611 when the Philippines was part of the Spanish empire.

Manila University of Santo Tomas statue and clock

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlUstStatUClockZm3410.jpg

This statue stands outside the main building of the University of Santo Tomas in downtown Manila. The university was founded in 1611 when the Philippines was under Spanish rule. These buildings date from the 19th century.

Like many heritage locations in the Philippines, the UST campus is a remarkable mixture of Spanish-style architecture in a tropical south east Asian setting.

Manila UST old hospital facade

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlUstHospOldFacade3403.jpg

Hispanic style facade and entrance to University of Santo Tomas. The facade is painted pastel pink and white and dates from the 19th century.

In certain parts of Asia you get a kind of 'environmental disorientation' - Looking at the buildings you think you're in Spain or Latin America but actually you're on the other side of the world.

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:35 AM

renell

November 29th, 2005, 07:04 AM

some of those pics are going outside Intrams...

renell

November 29th, 2005, 07:04 AM

some of those pics are going outside Intrams...

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 07:18 AM

some of those pics are going outside Intrams...

I could find a thread that can be posted by those "other pictures" :cheers:
They look so nice and professionally done.

Manila statue of Jose Rizal in Rizal Park

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlRizalMonPk3402.jpg

Nighttime view of the floodlit statue of national hero Jose Rizal, situated in Rizal Park in downtown Manila.

Manila University of Santo Tomas main building and trees

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlUstMainBlg3404.jpg

Looking up the tree-lined central pathway leading to the main building of the University of Santo Tomas in Manila.

The historic UST campus is, I believe, a source of pride for UST graduates. For comparison, take a look at the campus of Trinity College Dublin (http://www.aidan.co.uk/search_results.php?keyword=TCD) where I studied Modern Languages (German and French) from 1976 to 1981.

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 07:18 AM

manileño

November 29th, 2005, 08:24 AM

speaking of CORREGIDOR, is it part of Metro Manila jurisdiction? (i heard it's not). But i think it should be, it's like Liberty, Ellis, Governor, Roosevelt, and Staten Islands to New York City.

manileño

November 29th, 2005, 08:24 AM

speaking of CORREGIDOR, is it part of Metro Manila jurisdiction? (i heard it's not). But i think it should be, it's like Liberty, Ellis, Governor, Roosevelt, and Staten Islands to New York City.

drfeelgood17

November 29th, 2005, 04:25 PM

speaking of CORREGIDOR, is it part of Metro Manila jurisdiction? (i heard it's not). But i think it should be, it's like Liberty, Ellis, Governor, Roosevelt, and Staten Islands to New York City.

No I don't think so, if I'm not mistaken it's part of Bataan.

drfeelgood17

November 29th, 2005, 04:25 PM

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:03 PM

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlCHallWallVw5220.jpg

View of Manila City Hall from the east side of Intramuros, the old walled city. We are looking over the landscaped gardens.

Animo

November 29th, 2005, 06:03 PM

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/PlpMnlCHallWallVw5220.jpg

View of Manila City Hall from the east side of Intramuros, the old walled city. We are looking over the landscaped gardens.

manileño

November 30th, 2005, 04:34 PM

No I don't think so, if I'm not mistaken it's part of Bataan.

http://www.alltravelnetwork.com/philippines/travelinfo/images/corregidormap.jpg

I can imagine a Verrazano or Golden Gate for Manila in the future. hehe

manileño

November 30th, 2005, 04:34 PM

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 07:50 PM

http://www.alltravelnetwork.com/philippines/travelinfo/images/corregidormap.jpg

I can imagine a Verrazano or Golden Gate for Manila in the future. hehe

I posted something about El Faile in the "Then and Now" thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/manilafountain.jpg

The sight and sound of gushing water is a welcome respite from the balmy evening weather during a stroll in Intramuros

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 07:50 PM

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 08:13 PM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/050_50.jpg

Formerly the site of the Palacio del Gobernador, it now houses the offices of the Intramuros Administration

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/051_51.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/053_53.jpg

Details of the main entrance of the Cathedral

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/065_65.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/066_66.jpg

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 08:13 PM

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 08:15 PM

The cupola of the Cathedral

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/063_63.jpg

The nave and main altar bearing the image of the Immaculada Concepcion, after Miguel Lopez de Legaspi dedicated the city to that title of the Virgin

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/022_22.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/068_68.jpg

Monument to King Carlos IV.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/067_67.jpg

"Al Rey de Carlos IV en gratito al non beneficio de la vacuna los habitantes de Filipinas."

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 08:15 PM

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 08:23 PM

The Cathedral as seen from Plaza de Roma

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/073_73.jpg

Animo

December 2nd, 2005, 08:23 PM

The Cathedral as seen from Plaza de Roma

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/073_73.jpg

ashley12

December 4th, 2005, 08:46 AM

haha... just want to let you know...

i cried in INTRAMUROS...

ashley12

December 4th, 2005, 08:46 AM

haha... just want to let you know...

i cried in INTRAMUROS...

manileño

December 4th, 2005, 08:52 AM

The cupola of the Cathedral

Monument to King Carlos IV.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/067_67.jpg

"Al Rey de Carlos IV en gratito al non beneficio de la vacuna los habitantes de Filipinas."

"al non benefico"? = gratis?

To the King Carlos IV in gratitude to the free vaccination.
- people of the Philippines.

LOL interesting.

manileño

December 4th, 2005, 08:52 AM

drfeelgood17

December 4th, 2005, 05:15 PM

Great pics again Animo & Mr Manila - I wonder what the interior of the old Manila Cathedral looked like - it was probably much grander - the present want is quite austere.

drfeelgood17

December 4th, 2005, 05:15 PM

Great pics again Animo & Mr Manila - I wonder what the interior of the old Manila Cathedral looked like - it was probably much grander - the present want is quite austere.

Lili

December 4th, 2005, 08:22 PM

Monument to King Carlos IV.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/adobo29/067_67.jpg

"Al Rey de Carlos IV en gratito al non beneficio de la vacuna los habitantes de Filipinas."
^ I wonder what the vaccination was for? I remember reading an account in Orlando, Florida when the indigenous "indian" tribe there was decimated because of the diseases brought by the conquistadores to its area. They did not have immunity then.

Lili

December 4th, 2005, 08:22 PM

Animo

December 4th, 2005, 08:35 PM

http://www.words-sounds-images.com/images/Words/Carlos_600.jpg

In Manila, in far away Philippines. Carlos IV touched the Philippines indelibly two hundred years ago. Today he stands majestically in front of the Manila Cathedral in the old Spanish quarter of Intramuros.

Filipino history books and journals offer little detail beyond what is on the carved plaque on the King’s monument, commemorating the King’s decision to send the newly discovered smallpox vaccine – la vacuna – to the Philippines:

---
I see a King asking for recognition of an extraordinary accomplishment long ignored.

This scroll in my hand is the proclamation of 1803 that saved more people than were killed in all of the Napoleonic wars. We reached into a shrinking Treasury and funded a fully staffed medical expedition, which was headed by my own personal doctor, Francisco Balmis, and which carried the newly discovered smallpox vaccine around the world. Troops of young heroic boys braved the rigors of travel across the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans and into the backlands of our colonies, carrying live vaccine in their own arms. Looking after these boys was the first international nurse in history. And all of this came about from the generosity of the Crown: we asked for nothing in return.”

---

http://www.words-sounds-images.com/royal_command.htm

AL REY
D. CARLOS IV
EN GRATITUD
AL DON BENEFICO
DE LA VACUNA
LOS HABITANTES
DE FILIPINAS

Animo

December 4th, 2005, 08:35 PM

Culiat

December 17th, 2005, 03:32 AM

^ I wonder what the vaccination was for? I remember reading an account in Orlando, Florida when the indigenous "indian" tribe there was decimated because of the diseases brought by the conquistadores to its area. They did not have immunity then.

Its for Smallpox

Culiat

December 17th, 2005, 03:32 AM

JAMAICUS

December 17th, 2005, 02:40 PM

Did king Carlos IV of Spain really cared for his colonial subjects in the Philippines?

JAMAICUS

December 17th, 2005, 02:40 PM

Did king Carlos IV of Spain really cared for his colonial subjects in the Philippines?

Kaiser

December 18th, 2005, 01:39 AM

Nice pix:)

Kaiser

December 18th, 2005, 01:39 AM

Nice pix:)

jbkayaker12

December 18th, 2005, 01:51 AM

http://www.alltravelnetwork.com/philippines/travelinfo/images/corregidormap.jpg

I can imagine a Verrazano or Golden Gate for Manila in the future. hehe

Corregidor should remain an island separated from the main island of Luzon. IF they ever build a bridge to Corregidor it will destroy the island forever. It is worse enough now garbage from the mainland reaches the shoreline in Corregidor.

jbkayaker12

December 18th, 2005, 01:51 AM

ThisFire

December 18th, 2005, 01:53 AM

^ that is true, and I hope it will never happen

ThisFire

December 18th, 2005, 01:53 AM

^ that is true, and I hope it will never happen

manileño

December 18th, 2005, 07:28 AM

Corregidor should remain an island separated from the main island of Luzon. IF they ever build a bridge to Corregidor it will destroy the island forever. It is worse enough now garbage from the mainland reaches the shoreline in Corregidor.

ah ok. like Liberty/Ellis/Governor.. i thought they were like Staten. :)

manileño

December 18th, 2005, 07:28 AM

Askal82

December 18th, 2005, 09:46 AM

Askal82

December 18th, 2005, 09:46 AM

drfeelgood17

December 18th, 2005, 05:46 PM

So this probably explain why the Filipino natives survived at that time compared to the natives of America's. Filipinos were lucky to have been given vaccination of small pox unlike their Latin-American counterparts.

The vaccination was only administered in the late 18th century or early 19th - after the Spanish had been in the Philippines for over 200 years. In contrast, the native population of the Americas was decimated within 50-100 years of the Europeans' arrival. The decimation of the Native American population was due to something else: because they were isolated from the rest of humanity for thousands of years they had no immunity to even common diseases such as influenza. The Filipinos did, and that is why no similar depopulation occurred in the Philippines.

drfeelgood17

December 18th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 04:38 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Aerial_view_fr._blanco%27s_garden.JPG

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 04:38 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Aerial_view_fr._blanco%27s_garden.JPG

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 04:43 AM

dudz - UST campus.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/ust/d381032a.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/ust/5cf33ed0.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/ust/1032ca28.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/ust/aeb90395.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/ust/e4399a61.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/ust/eaa16111.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 04:43 AM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 04:45 AM

dudz - Intramuros

the manila cathedral
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/d072dbac.jpg

a lady in prayer
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/8a68674e.jpg

san agustin church
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/116bd882.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/f4801489.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/1f52bdb7.jpg

Rizal Park

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/d200ca2d.jpg

museum of the filipino people
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/f95b7844.jpg

chanced upon this. the AFP recruitment site at the agrifina circle.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/manila/231ebac3.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 04:45 AM

Hawayano

December 21st, 2005, 05:04 AM

Muchas gracias, Animo!

y viva la ciudad murada!

Hawayano

December 21st, 2005, 05:04 AM

Muchas gracias, Animo!

y viva la ciudad murada!

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 05:43 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/intramuros.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/794861-Intramuros-Manila.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/923916-Luneta-Manila.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/923931-Intramuros-Manila.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/923935-Intramuros-Manila.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/923951-Intramuros-Manila.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 05:43 AM

Ratoncito

December 21st, 2005, 05:44 AM

Hi

I have been taking a look at INTRAMUROS, this town that the Spanish build along 300 years and Japanese and Americans destroyed in 3.

Of course, it is your National Heritage and should be rebuilt, but do not forget that one of your National Heritages is the Spanish Language and it was forbidden in 1987.

Right now, very few of you can read your own history in original documents; it has to be translated into English to be understandable.

Just think about it.

Regards Fernando

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Hola

he visto INTRAMUROS y es una preciosidad de ciudad; por supuesto es vuestral herencia nacional; Los que los españoles construyeron durante 300 años, los japoneses y americanos lo destruyeron en 3 años de guerra.

Pero también, pensad que el idioma español es parte de vuestra herencia cultural y fue prohibido en 1987 como lengua oficial.

En estos momentos, casi nadie de vosotros puede leer documentos originales en español, los ha de leer traducidos al inglés para poderlo comprender.

Simplemente, pensadlo un poco.

Saludos Fernando

hehehehe, thanks tig, shucks. :) :)

@ manileno, nothing much is really going up in Intramuros, it's a good and bad thing. It's a good thing because nothing shitty has come up and it's bad because they can do real good with the place. Nevertheless, the department of tourism has taken over intramuros and they hold many tourist conventions there representing provinces throughout the country. Most of the structures have been preserved very very well and are now museums, shops, and restaurants. They have several bandshells there that allow some low key concerts. I think the revitilization of Intramuros would do Manila lots of good. I actually took a tour of one of the houses in Intramuros, it was amazing. Just amazing to see the inside fully preserved. Even the spices in the kitchen of this house was still there waiting to be used.

When i was there last month, i felt i tinge of sadness for the place and for our people in general. It maybe because our past so glorious is often ignored and under utilized in rallying the citizens or maybe its because of the placards around intramuros showing pictures of glorious structures that once stood in a pile of rubble that lay before me. Those damned Japanese fucked things up. I think if any reconstructing were to happen, THEY SHOULD PAY FOR IT. They owe us our national heritage, God knows we didn't do shit to their national heritage places.

Ratoncito

December 21st, 2005, 05:44 AM

Ratoncito

December 21st, 2005, 05:45 AM

Hi

I have been taking a look at INTRAMUROS, this town that the Spanish built along 300 years and Japanese and Americans destroyed in 3.

Of course, it is your National Heritage and should be rebuilt, but do not forget that one of your National Heritages is the Spanish Language and it was forbidden in 1987. Most of you have spanish names and surnames and use lots of Spanish words in Tagalog.

Right now, very few of you can read your own history in original documents; it has to be translated into English to be understandable.

Just think about it.

Best Regards Fernando

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Hola

he visto INTRAMUROS y es una preciosidad de ciudad; por supuesto es vuestral herencia nacional; Los que los españoles construyeron durante 300 años, los japoneses y americanos lo destruyeron en 3 años de guerra.

Pero también, pensad que el idioma español es parte de vuestra herencia cultural y fue prohibido en 1987 como lengua oficial.

En estos momentos, casi nadie de vosotros puede leer documentos originales en español, los ha de leer traducidos al inglés para poderlo comprender.

Simplemente, pensadlo un poco.

Saludos Fernando

hehehehe, thanks tig, shucks. :) :)

@ manileno, nothing much is really going up in Intramuros, it's a good and bad thing. It's a good thing because nothing shitty has come up and it's bad because they can do real good with the place. Nevertheless, the department of tourism has taken over intramuros and they hold many tourist conventions there representing provinces throughout the country. Most of the structures have been preserved very very well and are now museums, shops, and restaurants. They have several bandshells there that allow some low key concerts. I think the revitilization of Intramuros would do Manila lots of good. I actually took a tour of one of the houses in Intramuros, it was amazing. Just amazing to see the inside fully preserved. Even the spices in the kitchen of this house was still there waiting to be used.

When i was there last month, i felt i tinge of sadness for the place and for our people in general. It maybe because our past so glorious is often ignored and under utilized in rallying the citizens or maybe its because of the placards around intramuros showing pictures of glorious structures that once stood in a pile of rubble that lay before me. Those damned Japanese fucked things up. I think if any reconstructing were to happen, THEY SHOULD PAY FOR IT. They owe us our national heritage, God knows we didn't do shit to their national heritage places.

Ratoncito

December 21st, 2005, 05:45 AM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 06:02 AM

iHola! Fernando it is nice to hear other people comments about these kinds of issues.

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 06:02 AM

iHola! Fernando it is nice to hear other people comments about these kinds of issues.

Askal82

December 21st, 2005, 06:42 AM

^^ Spanish language wasn't prohibited in the country. It ceased to be the official language of the country. It became an elective in most universities instead of a requirment which is sad. WWII not only destroyed the historical structures, it almost wiped out 300 years of culture that supports the moral fiber of the country. These structures represent the culmination of what was once the true Filipino culture.

Askal82

December 21st, 2005, 06:42 AM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 06:42 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Spanishhouse2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Spanishhouse1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Spanishhouse.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Ruines1.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 06:42 AM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 06:44 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/intramuros102.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Ruines.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/intramuros1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Churchgate.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 06:44 AM

Askal82

December 21st, 2005, 06:47 AM

The vaccination was only administered in the late 18th century or early 19th - after the Spanish had been in the Philippines for over 200 years. In contrast, the native population of the Americas was decimated within 50-100 years of the Europeans' arrival. The decimation of the Native American population was due to something else: because they were isolated from the rest of humanity for thousands of years they had no immunity to even common diseases such as influenza. The Filipinos did, and that is why no similar depopulation occurred in the Philippines.

True, Philippines isn't the new world. Still part of the Old world in that sense.

Askal82

December 21st, 2005, 06:47 AM

sista

December 21st, 2005, 07:01 AM

wow the pics are :eek2:

sista

December 21st, 2005, 07:01 AM

wow the pics are :eek2:

ashley12

December 21st, 2005, 08:09 AM

http://www.hobotraveler.com/160manila/intramuros.jpg
Golf course is just outside the walls.

http://www.hobotraveler.com/160manila/carriage.jpg
Carriage ride around the old Spanish part called the Intramuros in Manila

http://www.hobotraveler.com/160manila/fort.jpg
Center of a for or jail, with the roof missing.

http://www.hobotraveler.com/160manila/japancannon.jpg
Japnese Cannon from WWII

ashley12

December 21st, 2005, 08:09 AM

Arriba

December 21st, 2005, 09:20 AM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020437.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/progressiveflip/Intramuros/P1020436.jpg

This is Letran, my alma mater! :)

The first picture shows the High School Building, and the Letran Scout Heroes Monument. The Letranites, together with other Filipino scouts, are about to go to an International Jamboree at Greece, but unfortunately, their plane crash landed somewhere and all Filipino scouts boarded perished.

The second picture is an interesting design located at the back of the grade school building. Im not really sure what it means. It looks good though, and a bit scary. haha.

I'll post some more pictures of the Colegio if i have the time. FYI, the Dominican-owned Letran is one of the longest tenants inside the Walled City, having built in 1620. :)

Arriba

December 21st, 2005, 09:20 AM

Ratoncito

December 21st, 2005, 02:01 PM

Exactly, in 5 years of the WWII, 300 years of your history and culture were wiped out of Filipinas and no one stood up to defend it. I think it is quite sad. Here in Madrid, I have met lots of Filipinos who told me about this; and also told me that former governments have, in some way, pushed old Filipinos to speak Spanish in their own homes, not in the street to wipe it out of public life, apart from distributing stories about Spanish torture, slavery, things that all powerful countries (Spain, England, USA, etc...) have done some time in their History.

As a fact, let me remind you that Spain was who conformed Filipinas and gave her a national identity; before Spain arrived there, there were little wars between different tribes, and mainly, attacks from islamic territories.

So the "Black History" that the americans told about Spanish Colonization, I am afraid it is too far from reality. Of course we made mistakes, and sure some were big. But let me remind you again thay in the Filipino American war, the USA killed about one million filipinos, very much more than Spain in 333 year of sovereignity.

best regards Fernando AND Feliz Navidad

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Exacto, en 5 años de la Segunda Guerra Mundial, 300 años de la historia Filipina fue borrada del mapa y nadie supo defenderla. Un poco triste, me parece a mí; aquí en Madrid, algunos filipinos me cuentas cómo gobiernos anteriores, sitemáticamente, han marginado el Español animando a no hablarlo en la vida pública de Filipinas aparte de distribuir historias de excalvitud y tortura sobre la colonización española en Filipinas, cosa que otras grandes potencias han hecho exactamente igual como USA, Inglaterra, etc...

Para comenzar, déjame que te recuerde que fue España quien conformó Filipinas que, hasta entonces, este país no existía como tal y lo que había eran guerrillas entre las diferentes tribus de Filipinas y ataques de territorios islámicos.

Así que la Historia Negra que los americanos difundieron sobre España en Filipinas me temo que está muy lejos de la realidad; para finalizar, permíteme que te recuerde que EEUU mató en la guerra Filipino Americana un millón de filipinos, muchísimo más que lo que España mató en 333 años de soberanía.

Saludos cordiales y Feliz Navidad
Fernando

Ratoncito

December 21st, 2005, 02:01 PM

Hawayano

December 21st, 2005, 05:10 PM

Thank you for your insight, Fernando! We really appreciate hearing from you, especially your keen awareness of Filipino sensitivity. And you're right about our Spanish colonial experience: compared with the Aztec and Inca peoples, the natives of these islands did not undergo such a thorough supression of their indigenous culture by the conquistadores.

Hawayano

December 21st, 2005, 05:10 PM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 07:46 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/manila_cathedral.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/ow808wo_intramuros_manila.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/kalesa.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/intramuros_08.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/intramuros123.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 07:46 PM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 07:47 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/105-0523_img.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/crying.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/image075.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/stone.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 07:47 PM

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 07:50 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/memoraremanila1945te.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/ust_marker.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/wedding.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/sanagustin.jpg

Animo

December 21st, 2005, 07:50 PM

sista

December 22nd, 2005, 02:36 AM

beautiful pictures there Animo! The wedding picture looks...well, grand because of the altar

sista

December 22nd, 2005, 02:36 AM

beautiful pictures there Animo! The wedding picture looks...well, grand because of the altar

SaleemSinai

December 23rd, 2005, 08:18 AM

http://www.hobotraveler.com/160manila/fort.jpg
Center of a for or jail, with the roof missing.

This is actually the Baluarte de San Diego (Bulwark of San Diego). It's not actually a jail, but rather a foundry.

http://manalang.com/philippines/manila/baluarte_de_san_diego.html

[Quote from the Intramuros Administration]
Designed and built by Jesuit priest Antonio Sede��rom 1586 to 1587, it is one of the oldest stone fortifications in Intramuros. Began as a circular fort called Nuestra Se�� de Guia. Renovated in 1593 to join the walls of the city. Fort fell in disrepair and, in 1644, construction began for a new baluarte which was completed between 1653 and 1663. Resembling an ace of spades, it housed a foundry during the 18th century.

The baluarte was breached by British forces with cannon fire in 1762. Restored and strengthened after the British occupation but was damaged during the 1863 earthquake. It was destroyed during the Battler of Manila in 1945. Restoration began in 1979 and completed in 1992.

Here's the plan from the 19th century:
http://www.aenet.org/manila-expo/p13ima4.jpg

This is the same structure from this pre-war photo (the one on the lower left where the flag sits):
http://www.montinola.org/pics/skyscrapers/Wall%20city%20from%20top%20of%20Manila%20Hotel,%20Manila.jpg

Here is an areal view of the spade shaped bastion, also pre-war.
http://www.geocities.com/kalayaan90/aerial_manila.jpg

Here's a old map depicting the british invasion in October 1762.
http://www.geocities.com/kalayaan90/British.jpg

The bastion which was the first to be breached was Bastion de San Diego (the one labeled letter "L" from a battery of 3 Guns (labeled "K") and another set of battery of 8 guns (labeled "I").

SaleemSinai

December 23rd, 2005, 08:18 AM

ashley12

December 23rd, 2005, 08:22 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/105-0523_img.jpg

AKA lovers lane. :)

ashley12

December 23rd, 2005, 08:22 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/105-0523_img.jpg

AKA lovers lane. :)

Animo

December 23rd, 2005, 04:48 PM

AKA lovers lane. :)

I have a question: Why are those block of stones on the pathway? How come its not fixed?

Animo

December 23rd, 2005, 04:48 PM

AKA lovers lane. :)

I have a question: Why are those block of stones on the pathway? How come its not fixed?

ashley12

December 24th, 2005, 01:43 AM

I have a question: Why are those block of stones on the pathway? How come its not fixed?

where? all of those stones are aligned on the sides of the pathway. Its suppose to be some sort of sittings or decorations. :)

ashley12

December 24th, 2005, 01:43 AM

aUen

December 24th, 2005, 02:15 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Ruines.jpg

power lines :no:

aUen

December 24th, 2005, 02:15 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/Ruines.jpg

power lines :no:

ThisFire

December 24th, 2005, 03:34 AM

^^ magical photos on this page :)

ThisFire

December 24th, 2005, 03:34 AM

^^ magical photos on this page :)

Animo

December 24th, 2005, 03:38 AM

^^ magical photos on this page :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/magsingirog_200.jpg

I also found this one, I don't know if its in Intramuros.

Happy Holidays Everyone! :cheers:

Animo

December 24th, 2005, 03:38 AM

^^ magical photos on this page :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rv_estardo/magsingirog_200.jpg

I also found this one, I don't know if its in Intramuros.

Happy Holidays Everyone! :cheers:

ashley12

December 24th, 2005, 05:47 AM

happy holidays to everyone! :)

ashley12

December 24th, 2005, 05:47 AM

happy holidays to everyone! :)

JustHorace

December 24th, 2005, 06:12 AM

I think the government should get rid of the squatters and electric posts in Intramuros. The modern-looking structures in the Walled City must be forced to change its facade into something that will look like 1800 Spanish architecture. I would like to mention the Mapua campus and the Banco Filipino building for being the fugliest structures in Intramuros. Thanks to them and the squatters our walled city has become the crappiest place in post-war Manila.

JustHorace

December 24th, 2005, 06:12 AM

marites4

December 24th, 2005, 06:27 AM

I don't even know why there are squatters in Intramuros. It's a tourist attraction isn't it. I know it's hard torelocate squatters but can't we have at least one place that's squatter free. Why is the intramuros development council helpless on this or Manila city govt.?

marites4

December 24th, 2005, 06:27 AM

Askal82

December 24th, 2005, 06:34 AM

^^ Mga alaga ni Atienza yan.

Askal82

December 24th, 2005, 06:34 AM

^^ Mga alaga ni Atienza yan.

JAMAICUS

December 24th, 2005, 06:58 AM

I sent a complaint to the DOT via E-mail about this "informal settlers" problem.

JAMAICUS

December 24th, 2005, 06:58 AM

I sent a complaint to the DOT via E-mail about this "informal settlers" problem.

Askal82

December 24th, 2005, 07:05 AM

Lets cross our fingers

Askal82

December 24th, 2005, 07:05 AM

Lets cross our fingers

pau_p1

December 24th, 2005, 08:32 AM

http://www.hobotraveler.com/160manila/fort.jpg
Center of a for or jail, with the roof missing.

aba.. this is the kingdom of Sapiro ahh.. hehehe.. in GMA's Telefantasy of Encantadia and now Etheria... :D

anyways... UST is no longer in Intramuros... it moved out since 1932.. :D

pau_p1

December 24th, 2005, 08:32 AM

Animo

December 25th, 2005, 09:37 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/IsaganiZenze/ihgufg.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/IsaganiZenze/adsfda.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/IsaganiZenze/adsadfe.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/IsaganiZenze/adfee.jpg

Animo

December 25th, 2005, 09:37 AM

Sinjin P.

December 25th, 2005, 11:09 AM

aba.. this is the kingdom of Sapiro ahh.. hehehe.. in GMA's Telefantasy of Encantadia and now Etheria... :D

anyways... UST is no longer in Intramuros... it moved out since 1932.. :D

You're a follower of Encantadia/Etheria too? :D

Sinjin P.

December 25th, 2005, 11:09 AM

renell

December 25th, 2005, 12:55 PM

I sent a complaint to the DOT via E-mail about this "informal settlers" problem.

true that is a problem I've heard they had to change the tourist routes in Intramuros to avoid these squatters

renell

December 25th, 2005, 12:55 PM

I sent a complaint to the DOT via E-mail about this "informal settlers" problem.

true that is a problem I've heard they had to change the tourist routes in Intramuros to avoid these squatters

ashley12

December 25th, 2005, 03:20 PM

You're a follower of Encantadia/Etheria too? :D

ey heres an unrelated question:

whats the difference between the two shows? well, honestly I haven't followed any of the series but I think the settings and productions are quite the same. :)

ashley12

December 25th, 2005, 03:20 PM

OtAkAw

December 26th, 2005, 04:48 PM

ey heres an unrelated question:

whats the difference between the two shows? well, honestly I haven't followed any of the series but I think the settings and productions are quite the same. :)

The two stories happened in the same dimension, difference is not at the same time. Encantadia is the center of the story. After encatadia, a prequel was made in order to explain why Encantadia was like that as you know it: which is Etheria. Etheria has two time dimensions, one is present the other past. Present deals with how life continued in Encantadia after the Encantadia series, past deals with the Etheria epic. But someone from the past goes to the present which makes the overall stroy interesting, it's all mixed up and intertwined.

OtAkAw

December 26th, 2005, 04:48 PM

ashley12

December 27th, 2005, 12:59 AM

The two stories happened in the same dimension, difference is not at the same time. Encantadia is the center of the story. After encatadia, a prequel was made in order to explain why Encantadia was like that as you know it: which is Etheria. Etheria has two time dimensions, one is present the other past. Present deals with how life continued in Encantadia after the Encantadia series, past deals with the Etheria epic. But someone from the past goes to the present which makes the overall stroy interesting, it's all mixed up and intertwined.

Is that so... thanks for the info. :)

ashley12

December 27th, 2005, 12:59 AM

ThisFire

December 27th, 2005, 05:17 AM

About maintaining/beautifying our beloved Intramuros, I read that Spain will be joining in a project towards beautifying Intramuros.

ThisFire

December 27th, 2005, 05:17 AM

About maintaining/beautifying our beloved Intramuros, I read that Spain will be joining in a project towards beautifying Intramuros.

Animo

December 28th, 2005, 03:47 AM

WITH its natural falls, springs, rivers, lakes, beaches and forested mountains, Bulusan town in Sorsogon province is a veritable haven for nature lovers and tourists.

But more than the town's natural beauty are the remnants of the past-the struggle for freedom and independence-still familiar but in danger of neglect and destruction.

Located in the southeast part of Sorsogon and facing the Pacific Ocean, Bulusan, which literally means "the place where water flows," covers 1,580 hectares or 43 percent of the 3,673.30-ha Bulusan Volcano Natural Park, noted by scientists for its abundance of wildlife and aquatic resources.

At least three baluartes de piedra (stone watch towers) can still be traced from their remaining walls near the shores in barangays Central, Dapdap and Mabuhay.

Local historian and former councilor Juan Galindes, 73, said the watchtowers were erected to protect the town from pirates and intruders.

A warning system called katong-katong was used to alert the people. The katong-katong is made of bamboo and beaten with a stick to produce a high or low-pitch sound. Farmers still use the instrument to draw the attention of companions or family members, Galindes said.

Also, the belfry of the St. James the Great Parish Church in barangay Central, believed to have been built in 1631 after the town was made an independent parish from Casiguran in 1630, remains intact.

Three watch towers once stood in the church's premises to complement those on the shores. People sought refuge in the church during attacks.

The church site is called the Punta Diamante because of its diamond-shaped wall formation. It is dubbed the Intramuros of Bulusan, Galindes said.

Based on what Galindes and other local historians gathered and subsequently published in souvenir programs during Bulusan's fiesta celebrations, "long before the Spanish colonizers set foot on Philippine soil, settlements already existed in Bulusan.

Artifacts excavated from burial grounds reveal that trade between China and these settlements started much earlier than 1521.

Galindes said they mainly based their research on the church's archives and books of other Bicol historians.

Oral folk history also had it that Irosin, Santa Magdalena, Matnog, Gate and Gubat used to be principalities of Bulusan, but it was not until 1758 that the town's history was documented.

Accounts of the Spanish occupation have not been made available, perhaps because the church's archives are among the local historians' few main sources.

Colonel Emeterio Funes, one of the foremost revolutionary heroes of Sorsogon during the Philippine-American War, was a native of Bulusan. He was appointed officer of the revolutionary forces in Sorsogon by General Vito Belarmino of Albay in 1900.

In the first battle to dislodge the revolutionaries' stronghold in Boco (now barangay San Francisco) on April 25, 1900, the American colonial troops retreated when their lieutenant was killed and two of them were wounded, according to the historians.

Left with limited ammunition, the natives were unable to repulse a second attack. The entire town, including the baluartes (stronghold), church, municipio (town hall) and other buildings was taken, according to Galindes.

On February 21, 1901, Funes swore allegiance to the American colonial government, formalizing the end of two years of gallant resistance in Sorsogon.

In his account, Galindes cited the "still usable" Buko Pass -- dubbed the Tirad Pass of Bulusan --between barangays San Francisco and Capangihan. It has a 92-step bamboo ladder which revolutionaries under Funes once used.

"You can still see the very thick galvanized iron. What we call Buko is the stairway going up," Galindes said.

In what is now barangay Dancalan, 23 tiradores (members of the underground revolutionary movement) under Captain Lorenzo Agbaan tried to ambush a small group of American soldiers, but they were massacred instead due to their untimely appearance.

In Punta Tawog, a place called the paropangpang was once a hideout of the tiradores, and a watch tower, now untraceable, was also constructed there.

Along with other sites and ruins that might shed understanding to Bulusan's past, the historical sites could still be lost if no concrete program was implemented to preserve them.

"They (Bulusanons) are aware (of the past). That's why when I was a councilor, I made a proposal that our historical places be preserved. I made subsequent resolutions requesting help from the National Historical Institute (NHI) and the Tourism Council," Galindes, who served as municipal councilor from 1998 to 2001, said.

"They said that my resolutions would be passed if the (Bulusan) Tourism Management Plan (TMP) was already approved," he added.

But the provincial board, citing conflicting provisions with the NIPAS (National Integrated Protected Areas System) Law, did not approve the TMP, which included the management of the Bulusan Lake, according to Albie Espano, assistant planning officer of the Municipal Planning and Development Office.

The TMP, or the Bulusan Comprehensive and Integrated Tourism Management Act of 2000, seeks the establishment of Bulusan as part of the Tourism Directory of the Philippines. It seeks the creation of an autonomous special tourism zone.

With its rejection, Espano said the local government was caught in a "stalemate." No one has pushed the proposal through or sought help from the NHI.

But Espano said that with the new presiding officer and the members of the municipal council, they were hopeful that the TMP and other discussions on preserving historical sites and promoting the town's rich tourist destinations, would take new vigor.

http://www.inq7.net/globalnation/sec_phe/2004/jun/16-04.htm

Animo

December 28th, 2005, 03:47 AM

El Bajopontino

December 28th, 2005, 05:33 AM

Wow, que bonito lugar!!!!

El Bajopontino

December 28th, 2005, 05:33 AM

Wow, que bonito lugar!!!!

Animo

December 28th, 2005, 06:03 AM

Wow, que bonito lugar!!!!

Sí, deseo que será restaurado completamente en el futuro.

Animo

December 28th, 2005, 06:03 AM

Wow, que bonito lugar!!!!

Sí, deseo que será restaurado completamente en el futuro.

JudeD

December 28th, 2005, 11:59 AM

The Intramuros Administration is only partially controlled by the City of Manila so the Manila mayors like Atienza can't do much about it. It's mostly controlled by the National Housing Authority, thus the s-l-o-w development. Some philanthrophic private developer should really buy up all the idle land within Intramuros and make something of it to keep it from decaying further. In any case, I think the window of opportunity for the complete restoration of Intramuros is long past. Best we can hope for is a respectful and aesthetically pleasing redevelopment.

JudeD

December 28th, 2005, 11:59 AM

Arriba

December 28th, 2005, 01:13 PM

Wishful thinking! hehe, read up guys.

I like Intramuros to function more like a "village", similar to those of Forbes, Dasma, Urdaneta, etc. The City of Manila, if I am not mistkaen doesn't have any gated communities compared to Makati, QC, etc. Intramuros could be the "elite" village of the city. Aside from being a village, it could double its function as what it is doing today, a tourist attraction.

Think about it, the land value of an Intramuros lot should and must be expensive. The place contains, or is near, to shopping malls, good schools, churches, parks, restaurants, museums and Chinatown. The only thing it needs is a decent hospital, though Manila Doctors isn't really far away.

Intramuros is literally a "gated-community" already, since it has walls surrounding it, and some of its gates close by around 10pm.

For its residential community, shanties must be destroyed and residents must be relocated somewhere. The future houses (to be managed by, lets say, ayala land hehe) must be spanish influenced in terms of architecture. It may be for the middle class to upper class. Entrance to the "new" Intramuros doesnt require village-IDs so as not to hinder tourists from entering the place.

Bring back the real elite to its old home. Intramuros. :)

Arriba

December 28th, 2005, 01:13 PM