Bangladesh Aviation - Part 10 [Archive]

Sharaf012345

November 15th, 2011, 04:41 PM

Milan airports: Biman Bangladesh Airlines connects Milan to Dhaka

Milan, Italy - With the new B-777/300ER aircraft

(WAPA) - The major international airline in Bangladesh, Biman Bangladesh Airlines, announced that from yesterday, November 14, 2011 it will be operating the first and only direct flight from Milan-Malpensa Airport to Dhaka. Two weekly flights will be operated during this Winter, every Monday and Friday, offering connections to the capital of Nepal, Kathmandu, and other Biman network destinations.

The flight is operated with the new B-777/300ER configuration with 36 business seats and 384 economy, where passenger comfort is guaranteed by the news style, as well as a Video On Demand system that can offer adequate entertainment for all passengers.

The Milan-Dhaka flight makes part of a proposed commercial development in Italy, which has doubled frequencies and starting points, in fact, from November 4 the second flight from Rome was launched, and now extended to Milan-Malpensa.

The air company was founded in 1972 and has been represented by Distral-ITR since 1981. Having expanded its routes outside the national borders, the airline has an important goal to reach now: to provide a better service to passengers thanks to the new aircraft. Direct flights from Rome to Dhaka. Connections to India via Dhaka, Hong Kong, Singapore, Myanmar and Malaysia. Domestic flights via Dhaka to Sylhet and Chittagong.
Fleet: MD DC-10/30, Airbus A-310/300, B-777/300ER. (Avionews)
(0010)

http://www.avionews.com/index.php?corpo=see_news_home.php&news_id=1135591&pagina_chiamante=index.php

BDAV

November 15th, 2011, 04:47 PM

Milan airports: Biman Bangladesh Airlines connects Milan to Dhaka

Milan, Italy - With the new B-777/300ER aircraft

...a Video On Demand system that can offer adequate entertainment for all passengers.

Can anyone tell me if their IFE systems are actually offering "adequate entertainment"?
What sort of movies can you actually watch? I hope it's not just the British comedy serial Mr. Bean :lol:

aviator787

November 15th, 2011, 06:41 PM

Nice to see Bangladesh Aviation Part 10...................................Contribution of all leads a grand success of this page......Keep on rocking the the sky with the exploration of various aviation topic...................

rinathq

November 15th, 2011, 08:00 PM

part 10......... congrats:cheers:

Sharaf012345

November 16th, 2011, 02:38 AM

New generation aircraft in Biman fleet

It is indeed a piece of good news for Bangladesh Biman which after 40 years has been able to purchase a new generation aircraft from the Boeing Company of USA. The most fuel efficient aircraft from Boeing Company will not only enhance Biman's image, but also bring more comfort and pleasure to the travellers who will now be able to fly to distant destinations in the shortest possible time.

The new aircraft with more than 400 seats will also help Biman to overcome its losses. With the arrival of this brand new B777-300ER aircraft , Biman can now operate non-stop flights from Dhaka to Rome, Manchester, London, and perhaps after receiving the 2nd new aircraft on 22 November, it will introduce a direct flight to New York. This is a very positive move from Biman and we all hope that Biman Bangladesh Airlines will now be able to improve its service.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=210254

samaruf

November 16th, 2011, 02:41 AM

I wonder if anybody does their job in the civil aviation department. How could some company be given a contract to upgrade the security system without first verifying its credentials or could there be something more nefarious like not enough palms were greased? I won't be surprised if ICAO/IATA kicks Bangladesh out for not meeting minimum security standards.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=210356
The upgrading of Shahjalal International Airport's security system has become uncertain after a Canadian company backed out yesterday due to the civil aviation minister's reservations about the company.

The country's prime airport has serious lacking in security compared to standards set by the International Civil Aviation Organisation, said aviation experts.

Recently, the cabinet committee on economic affairs approved Canadian company Visual Defence Inc's proposal to upgrade the airport's security at a cost of Tk 280 crore. The civil aviation ministry forwarded the proposal to the committee, apparently without verifying the company's claims.
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Meanwhile, officials concerned of the civil aviation ministry and Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh could not say why almost nothing was done to upgrade the security system of the airport despite the system being below the International Civil Aviation Organisation's set standards.

Reliable

November 16th, 2011, 11:55 AM

নড়বড়ে কিংফিশার টিকবে তো?
Source: prothom-alo.com
ভারতের শীর্ষস্থানীয় বিমান সংস্থা কিংফিশারের ব্যবসায়িক অবস্থা বেশ নড়বড়ে হয়ে পড়েছে। চলতি বছরের জুলাই থেকে সেপ্টেম্বরে কিংফিশার প্রায় দ্বিগুণ ক্ষতির সম্মুখীন হয়েছে সংস্থাটির সাম্প্রতিক প্রতিবেদনের বরাত দিয়ে বিবিসি অনলাইন জানিয়েছে। কিংফিশারের পক্ষ থেকে বলা হচ্ছে, জ্বালানির উচ্চমূল্য ও অন্যান্য খরচের কারণে বিমান সংস্থাটি ঋণের সাগরে হাবুডুবু খাচ্ছে। বিপুল পরিমাণ ঋণ ও ক্ষতির পরিপ্রেক্ষিতে গত সপ্তাহে সংস্থাটির শত শত বিমান ফ্লাইট বাতিলের সিদ্ধান্ত নেওয়া হয়। এ ঘটনায় কিংফিশারের বিনিয়োগকারী ও শেয়ার হোল্ডারা ভীত-সন্ত্রস্ত হয়ে পড়েছে। অনেকের মনে প্রশ্ন জেগেছে, এ পরিস্থিতিতে শেষ পর্যন্ত কিংফিশার টিকবে তো?
কিংফিশারের চেয়ারম্যান বিজয় মালিয়া গতকাল মঙ্গলবার বিমান সংস্থাটির শেয়ার হোল্ডারদের নিশ্চয়তা দিয়ে বলেছেন, বিপুল ক্ষতিতে থাকা বিমান সংস্থাটির ব্যবসা টিকিয়ে রাখতে তিনি সম্ভাব্য সব ধরনের চেষ্টাই চালিয়ে যাচ্ছেন। একই সঙ্গে কিংফিশারকে অধিক ঋণ দেওয়ার জন্য তিনি ভারতের ব্যাংকগুলোর প্রতি আহ্বান জানিয়েছেন। তবে সংকট উত্তরণে রাষ্ট্রীয় সহায়তা নেওয়ার ব্যাপারে তিনি তাঁর অনাগ্রহের কথা জানিয়েছেন।
তবে কিংফিশারের বিনিয়োগকারী ও শেয়ার হোল্ডাররা বিজয় মালিয়ার কথায় আশ্বস্ত হতে পারছেন না। সংশ্লিষ্টরা বলছেন, কীভাবে এবং কত দিনের মধ্যে কিংফিশার ক্ষতি কাটিয়ে ব্যবসায় ফিরবে, তার কোনো সুনির্দিষ্ট কর্মপরিকল্পনা দেননি বিজয় মালিয়া। এ পরিস্থিতিতে মুখ ফিরিয়ে নিচ্ছেন বিনিয়োগকারীরা। আর ভীত শেয়ার হোল্ডাররা ছেড়ে দিচ্ছেন কিংফিশারের শেয়ার। বিশেষ করে গত সপ্তাহে শত শত ফ্লাইট বাতিলের সিদ্ধান্তের পর অনেকেই মনে করছেন, কিংফিশারের সময় ফুরিয়ে আসছে।

If this can happen to Kingfisher, it can happen to any Bangladeshi Airlines. Current fuel price is hurting almost all airlines. In my opinion, market is swamped by extra capacity (whether LCC or full service) and some will pay very dearly. Mr. Mallay knows his business but his aviation business is not making him money. I believe GMG went very close to bankruptcy once (or twice).

That reminds me of a joke by Sir Richard Branson 'How to be a millionaire?' You start an airline with your billion and soon it will make you a millionaire!

TIslam

November 16th, 2011, 01:20 PM

shuvon

November 16th, 2011, 01:54 PM

Getting anything done is like pulling teeth. Airport security is no rocket science. What prevents CAAB/GoB from inviting international bids through tendering process from reputable security companies and simply selecting one that best meet their criteria (provided they have one, to begin with)?

Well its a different case, infact IATA warned Bangladesh about the deal.

IATA Notifies Bangladesh On Gloomy Security Deal
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IATA notification to Bangladesh reads that airport security has to be ensured and handled by state-run agencies, not private organization under contracts.
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Special Correspondent
November 15, 2011, 10:10 am
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International aviation authority IATA has notified the government of Bangladesh of a deal its aviation ministry was about to sign with a Canadian company for the security of Shahjalal International Airport.
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IATA, which stands for International Air Transport Association, reportedly mentioned in the letter sent to the ministry of civil aviation and tourism of Bangladesh that airport security has to be ensured and handled by state-run agencies, not private organization under contracts.
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Numerous mainstream media was reporting on a gloomy airport security deal since the beginning of this month, to be signed between the ministry and Canadian security farm Visual Defense Incorporated (VDI).
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The deal, finalized by the ministry under supervision of Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB) in September, is to cost Bangladesh Tk.3.1 billion for allowing the Canadian company to oversee the overall security of Shahjalal International Airport.
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The Canadian company VDI, headquartered in Ontario, Canada, operates in Germany and Switzerland outside North America as it mentions in its website www.visualdefence.com. However a bid to learn on how its airport security systems operate was treated with logos of a number of world's famed camera-manufacturers' brands.
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The country's mainstream media has been questioning the deal referring expert opinions. The fee the deal would cost the government of Bangladesh yearly, have been questioned heavily, which the reports say would cost an extra Tk.2,000 to travel for each passenger using the airport.
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Another media report accuses the Canadian company to have used a false logo, associating theirs with that of the IATA, to convince the government of Bangladesh on their credibility. Operations of the company remain gloomy and the CAAB's ultra-enthusiasm to sign the deal is questionable, the report adds.
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http://www.bangladeshfirst.com/newsdetails.php?cid=2&scid=0&nid=2687

m.ahmed

November 16th, 2011, 04:09 PM

TIslam

November 16th, 2011, 05:07 PM

Hello Everyone,

Im happy to announce to you all that I received my Commercial Pilot license (CPL) today from CAAB. For many reasons CAAB left my license hanging, which caused the issuing to be delayed by almost 6.5 months. Still happy with receiving it today, coincidentally just a day after I signed up for graduation day having completing my BBA degree from North South University. For the past 4-5 years I have been juggling both the degree programme and the flight training simultaneously. Just Glad they're over :)

cheers
Mahruf Ahmed

ICAO (CAAB) CPL/IR 499

Congratulations, Mr Full Pilot (PPL being a half or a semi-pilot)!

It is also very heartening to know that you continued to pursue an academic degree and did not quite just after HSC (or "A" levels, as the case may be), in your pursuit to become an airline pilot. :cheers2:

TIslam

November 16th, 2011, 05:21 PM

Well its a different case, infact IATA warned Bangladesh about the deal.

http://www.bangladeshfirst.com/newsdetails.php?cid=2&scid=0&nid=2687

Interesting. Did not know IATA, being a business/trade association, had such stipulations. I would have thought such rules and standards setting authority would be vested in ICAO. I wonder whether ICAO has such stipulations and if they do, why they have been silent on the matter.

Regardless whatever ICAO/IATA may have to say, my issue is with the lack of transparency and ad hoc nature of business conducted by GoB. If CAAB/MoCA finally became serious about airport safety and security, why have they not done due diligence by consulting with some experts on the subject matter and do whatever it would take to institute such safety and security measures? Why this one-off practice of awarding a contract to a Joe Blow of a company that nobody has ever heard of? I bet this company approached GoB through some back channel links after greasing many hands. Today, there are so many AL and BNP folks living in Canada/US, yet continue to conduct business back in Bangladesh.

samaruf

November 16th, 2011, 05:38 PM

Hello Everyone,

Im happy to announce to you all that I received my Commercial Pilot license (CPL) today from CAAB. For many reasons CAAB left my license hanging, which caused the issuing to be delayed by almost 6.5 months. Still happy with receiving it today, coincidentally just a day after I signed up for graduation day having completing my BBA degree from North South University. For the past 4-5 years I have been juggling both the degree programme and the flight training simultaneously. Just Glad they're over :)

cheers
Mahruf Ahmed

ICAO (CAAB) CPL/IR 499

Mahruf Mia, Masha'Allah and Mabrook on your dual achievements. It's great to accomplish the dream of becoming a pilot that many of us had in our childhood but could not follow through. Hopefully you'll be picked up as an aviator by one of BD's airlines. Keep us updated.

TariqHasan

November 16th, 2011, 06:37 PM

BDAV

November 16th, 2011, 08:10 PM

Hello Everyone,

Im happy to announce to you all that I received my Commercial Pilot license (CPL) today from CAAB. For many reasons CAAB left my license hanging, which caused the issuing to be delayed by almost 6.5 months. Still happy with receiving it today, coincidentally just a day after I signed up for graduation day having completing my BBA degree from North South University. For the past 4-5 years I have been juggling both the degree programme and the flight training simultaneously. Just Glad they're over :)

cheers
Mahruf Ahmed

ICAO (CAAB) CPL/IR 499

Congrats bro! 4-5 years of hard work and juggling has paid off today!

Supersonik

November 16th, 2011, 10:12 PM

Hello Everyone,

Im happy to announce to you all that I received my Commercial Pilot license (CPL) today from CAAB. For many reasons CAAB left my license hanging, which caused the issuing to be delayed by almost 6.5 months. Still happy with receiving it today, coincidentally just a day after I signed up for graduation day having completing my BBA degree from North South University. For the past 4-5 years I have been juggling both the degree programme and the flight training simultaneously. Just Glad they're over :)

cheers
Mahruf Ahmed

ICAO (CAAB) CPL/IR 499

Well done. Feels like one of our own achievment. Good luck and let us know where you go on from here.

BTW the CPL entitles you to fly which aircraft? would be interesting to know, I think you mentioned something about timing on F28.

Galive

November 17th, 2011, 01:28 AM

The government is working on modernising the security system of Shahjalal International Airport, and it has the ability to upgrade the airport as per the requirement of International Civil Aviation Organisation, GM Quader said yesterday.

"We have the ability to upgrade the security system of the airport without taking any assistance," the civil aviation and tourism minister told journalists at his office in the capital.

He made the comment on his recent decision of not going with the proposal of a Canadian company, Visual Defence, to upgrade the airport's security at a cost of Tk 280 crore.

As per the proposal, the company will receive $35 in security fee from each departing passenger for 25 years.

Quader said modernisation process of the security system is going on by the government's own initiatives. "It will continue till attaining the satisfactory standards."

The minister asked all concerned not to advance the proposal of the Canadian company as he found lack of transparency in the proposal and some contradictions in what the company claimed in its proposal.

Earlier, the civil aviation ministry received a proposal from the company for a comprehensive security management system in the airport and forwarded it to the cabinet committee on economic affairs.

An official of the ministry said the company submitted a letter on April 24 with the logo of Air Transport Association (IATA) saying that Visual Defence is the only IATA strategic partner involved in aviation security projects to the civil aviation authority.

But IATA has recently sent a letter to the ministry requesting it not go with the proposal of Visual Defence as it would hamper the interest of the passengers, the official added.

On Tuesday, Visual Defence in a letter to the minister denied issuance of any such letter.

Quader said he asked the concerned ministry officials and the civil aviation authority to look into the matter thoroughly and find the responsible person behind the irregularity.

"After getting the feedback from the concerned officials, I will inform the cabinet formally in this regard," he said.

The minister said he would take administrative action, if any official is found responsible for the mess.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=210393

TIslam

November 17th, 2011, 03:24 AM

Govt alone can upgrade airport: GM Quader

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=210393

One can speculate the deal fell through because:

Sufficient number of people were bribed
The minister was not in on the deal or did not get enough cut
Folks with competing deals/offers exposed the shady nature of the deal

TIslam

November 17th, 2011, 03:55 AM

Abrar

November 17th, 2011, 06:19 AM

congrates maruf bhai :) hope to see u on the first officer seat of RX, BG and 4H.
best of luck for ur piloting career .

Galive

November 17th, 2011, 06:32 AM

One can speculate the deal fell through because:

Sufficient number of people were bribed
The minister was not in on the deal or did not get enough cut
Folks with competing deals/offers exposed the shady nature of the deal

Your claim may be true. But this is also true that all foreign companies are not good enough. We see the behavior of Starwood in case of Sheraton Hotel.

The fee they proposed are not good enough for the short trip like DEL, BKK, KUL, KTM etc. This could be 5-6 dollar per pax. But 35$ is huge as total number of pax at DAC is over 3.5 million. Look at the investment, it is only 3billion BDT.

I think this is a good step.

Reliable

November 17th, 2011, 07:55 AM

[QUOTE=samaruf;85727267]"I wonder if anybody does their job in the civil aviation department. How could some company be given a contract to upgrade the security system without first verifying its credentials or could there be something more nefarious like not enough palms were greased? I won't be surprised if ICAO/IATA kicks Bangladesh out for not meeting minimum security standards."

ICAO usually don't get involved micro managing issues such as this (at least that was the case when I spent my time working on ICAO project in Bangladesh). Instead of ICAO kicking Bangladesh out, they always extended helping hands to BD govt.

Regarding the security system upgrade by the Canadian company, I am with you and smell something fishy..

TIslam

November 17th, 2011, 01:14 PM

Your claim may be true. But this is also true that all foreign companies are not good enough. We see the behavior of Starwood in case of Sheraton Hotel.

The fee they proposed are not good enough for the short trip like DEL, BKK, KUL, KTM etc. This could be 5-6 dollar per pax. But 35$ is huge as total number of pax at DAC is over 3.5 million. Look at the investment, it is only 3billion BDT.

I think this is a good step.

There is a saying, "buyer beware". The egg is going to be on your face if you complain that you've been out maneuvered by a contractor/supplier/vendor, owing to your own nativity and incompetence.

Nobody put a gun to their heads to take the deal.

TIslam

November 17th, 2011, 04:51 PM

Vijay Mallya may hold a PhD, but he is no Richard Branson, nor is Kingfisher a successful airline in the ranks of Virgin Atlantic. .......

Well, I may have to stand corrected. Dr Mallya and Sir Richard, may have a lot in common, after all:

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/dear-dr-mallya-sir-richard-is-on-the-line/

shuvon

November 17th, 2011, 05:26 PM

What a waste of money. Why do we need another delegation team of 18 people to bring the second 77W-S2-AFP to Dhaka? As pilots need guiding and if they don't go Boeing pilots will not find their way to Dhaka. Totally unacceptable. বিমানের বহরে এরই মধ্যে যুক্ত হয়েছে বোয়িংয়ের প্রথম উড়োজাহাজ ‘পালকি। আর দ্বিতীয় উড়োজাহাজটি ঢাকায় এসে পৌঁছবে ২৩ নভেম্বর। দ্বিতীয় উড়োজাহাজটি আনতে বিমানের প্রকৌশলীসহ একটি টেকনিক্যাল টিম এরই মধ্যে ঢাকা ছেড়েছে। অন্য সদস্যরা শুক্রবার ঢাকা ত্যাগ করবেন।

বিমান সূত্রে জানা গেছে, একটি যান্ত্রিক পরিবহন হওয়ার কারণে প্রকৌশল দল ছাড়া অন্য কেউ নতুন উড়োজাহাজের খুঁটিনাটি সবকিছু বুঝে আনতে পারবে না। কারিগরি সবকিছু বুঝে আনতে কারিগরি দল যেতেই হবে। তাই পালকির ন্যায় অরুণ আলোর ক্ষেত্রেও একটি টেকনিক্যাল টিম সিয়াটলে পাঠানো হয়েছে।

বিমানের এক কর্মকর্তা নাম না প্রকাশ করে বাংলানিউজকে বলেন, প্রয়োজন নেই। তারপরেও এ ধরনের বেশকিছু সদস্য সিয়াটলে যাওয়ার দলে যুক্ত হয়েছেন। এটি বিমানের খরচের তালিকাই শুধু দীর্ঘ করবে। এতোবড় একটি বহরের সদস্যরা চারদিন সিয়াটলের পাঁচ তারকা মানের হোটেল থাকবেন। সেখানে বোয়িংয়ের কারখানা পরিদর্শন ছাড়াও সফরকারী সদস্যরা ঘোরাফেরা করবেন। তাছাড়া নিউইয়র্ক যাওয়ার টিকেটের দামও চড়া।

ওই কর্মকর্তা আরও বলেন, এয়ারলাইন্স লোকসানে থাকলেও ঢাকা থেকে উড়োজাহাজে ওঠার পর এই লট বহরের সদস্যদের সব ধরনের খরচই বহন করবে বিমান কর্তৃপক্ষ। যদিও সম্প্রতি বিমানের পরিচালনা পর্ষদে ব্যয় সংকোচন নীতি অনুমোদিত হয়েছে। ওই ব্যয় সংকোচন নীতি বোর্ডের সদস্যরাই অনুমোদন দিয়েছিলেন। আর এখন তারাই ব্যয়বহুল সফরে সিয়াটলে যাচ্ছেন।

পালকি আনতে বিমানের পরিচালক (প্রকৌশল ও সম্ভার) আসাদুজ্জামানের নেতৃত্বে গত ৬ অক্টোবর মার্কিন যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের সিয়াটলে যান বিমান বাংলাদেশ এয়ারলাইন্সের ১৩ কর্মকর্তা। এই দলে বৈমানিক রয়েছেন ৪ জন, প্রকৌশলী ৬ জন, কেবিন ক্রু রয়েছেন দুইজন, লিগ্যাল এডভাইসর রয়েছেন একজন, ফ্লাইট ক্যাটারিং সার্ভিসের লোক রয়েছেন একজন, হিসাবরক্ষক একজন। পরে এদের সঙ্গে যোগ দেন বিমানের চেয়ারম্যান এয়ার মার্শাল অব. জামাল উদ্দিন আহমেদ ও ব্যবস্থাপনা পরিচালক জাকীউল ইসলাম।

গতবারের ন্যায় এবারও বিমানের প্রধান নির্বাহী জাকীউল ইসলাম, প্রকৌশল শাখার ৬ জন প্রকৌশলী ছাড়াও এই দলে বৈমানিক রয়েছেন দুই জন, কেবিন ক্রু দুইজন, লিগ্যাল এডভাইসর একজন, ফ্লাইট ক্যাটারিং সার্ভিসের লোক একজন, হিসাবরক্ষক একজন।

‘অরুণ আলো’ বিমানের জন্য তৈরি যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের বিখ্যাত উড়োজাহাজ প্রস্তুতকারী প্রতিষ্ঠান বোয়িং এর নতুন প্রজন্মের উড়োজাহাজের নাম। বিমান বোয়িংয়ের কাছে ১০টি উড়োজাহাজের সরবরাহের অর্ডার দিয়েছে।

বোয়িং ২০০৮ সালে ৮ হাজার ৭২৮ কোটি টাকা ব্যয়ে বোয়িং কোম্পনির কাছ থেকে ৮টি উড়োজাহাজ কেনার চুক্তি করে। পরবর্তীতে বোয়িং ৭৩৭ মডেলের আরো দুটি উড়োজাহাজেরও অর্ডার দেয় বিমান। এ বিষয়ে গত ২২ এপ্রিল বিমানের সাথে বোয়িংয়ের চুড়ান্ত চুক্তি স্বাক্ষর হয়। এর আগে গত ১৫ মার্চ বিমানের সাথে বোয়িংয়ের প্রাথমিক চুক্তি স্বাক্ষর অনুষ্ঠিত হয়।
http://www.banglanews24.com/news.php?nssl=69102

MohammedC

November 17th, 2011, 08:19 PM

What a waste of money. Why do we need another delegation team of 18 people to bring the second 77W-S2-AFP to Dhaka? As pilots need guiding and if they don't go Boeing pilots will not find their way to Dhaka. Totally unacceptable.

As expected.

It was going to happen.

But lets look at the bright side we are getting another 777-300ER, which everyone knows anyway.

Supersonik

November 17th, 2011, 08:37 PM

Well, I may have to stand corrected. Dr Mallya and Sir Richard, may have a lot in common, after all:

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/dear-dr-mallya-sir-richard-is-on-the-line/

Would agree, Sir Richard branson came to my town (seaside resort) afew years back and took part in what's called a birdman rally, the yearly summer event invloves people making homemade flying equipment and flying off(diving) from a platform about 50 feet above the sea, and who ever goes the furthest distance wins. He didn't win but it was great publicity for start of his new venture.

khalid773

November 17th, 2011, 09:21 PM

S2-AFO Taxiing at Heathrow on Nov 16th ,2011

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credit:Mrflashjet

TIslam

November 17th, 2011, 10:16 PM

Would agree, Sir Richard branson came to my town (seaside resort) afew years back and took part in what's called a birdman rally, the yearly summer event invloves people making homemade flying equipment and flying off(diving) from a platform about 50 feet above the sea, and who ever goes the furthest distance wins. He didn't win but it was great publicity for start of his new venture.

I saw a news clip about it, but they didn't show Mr Branson.

Galive

November 18th, 2011, 02:20 AM

http://www.thedailystar.net/photo/2011/11/18/2011-11-18__bs05.jpg

Galive

November 18th, 2011, 02:22 AM

http://www.thedailystar.net/photo/2011/11/18/2011-11-18__bs07.jpg

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=210618

TIslam

November 18th, 2011, 02:43 AM

http://www.thedailystar.net/photo/2011/11/18/2011-11-18__bs05.jpg

Isn't there a story that goes with this picture?

khalid773

November 18th, 2011, 05:15 AM

S2-AFP back from a Customer flight on Nov 17th, 2011

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae7530.png

Galive

November 18th, 2011, 05:29 AM

Isn't there a story that goes with this picture?

nope

Sharaf012345

November 18th, 2011, 07:00 AM

Bangladesh 777 S2-AFP Low Approach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmcIImQJwsU&feature=feedlik

Reliable

November 18th, 2011, 08:28 AM

http://www.theindependentdigital.com/index.php?opt=view&page=7&date=2011-11-17

"DHAKA, NOV 16: Passengers travelling on state-run Biman Bangladesh Airlines from Dhaka to Manchester via London endure hour-long security checks because Bangladesh’s civil aviation authority fails to meet minimum international safety standards. In June 2009, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) classified the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB) as a Significant Safety Concern (SSC).
As Biman’s new Boeing 777-300ER is registered with CAAB, British security agencies must carry out extensive security checks on passengers, cargo and the aircraft itself.
Biman’s passengers must disembark at Heathrow for security checks that usually take over an hour before proceeding to Manchester, sources within Biman said.
Passengers sometimes spend hours waiting in Heathrow’s transit area after the 10 hour flight from Dhaka, the source added.
Manchester resident Amena Khatun, of Bangladeshi origin, said, “I had to carry my children and hand luggage while disembarking from the aircraft for security checks.”
Amena expressed her frustration over the phone to The Independent when saying, “It was exhausting.”
She added that there were several elderly passengers on the flight who found the 30 minute walk to the transit lounge and back very difficult.
“I am not going to fly this route with Biman again,” she said.
Biman Bangladesh Airline re-launched its Dhaka-Manchester flight with a stop-over in London on November 1, following years of suspension.
Although Manchester is home to a large number of Bangladeshi expatriates, the Biman source said it is difficult to attract passengers under present circumstances.
According to the source who spoke on condition of anonymity, a Dhaka-London-Manchester flight on November 12 carried only 149 passengers out of a possible 449 and returned with 199 seats occupied.
Several flights have been suspended on this route since it resumed two weeks ago, costing Biman millions every day, the source added.
Biman endures a loss of Tk 362,000 per day if the aircraft is unused, and additional losses such as opportunity costs can exceed Tk 5 lakh a day, the source from Biman explained".

- Nothing has changed for Biman, it is all the same with 777-300 operation.

m.ahmed

November 18th, 2011, 09:44 AM

Congratulations, Mr Full Pilot (PPL being a half or a semi-pilot)!

It is also very heartening to know that you continued to pursue an academic degree and did not quite just after HSC (or "A" levels, as the case may be), in your pursuit to become an airline pilot. :cheers2:

Mahruf Mia, Masha'Allah and Mabrook on your dual achievements. It's great to accomplish the dream of becoming a pilot that many of us had in our childhood but could not follow through. Hopefully you'll be picked up as an aviator by one of BD's airlines. Keep us updated.

Congrats buddy!! Best of luck for the future..

Congrats bro! 4-5 years of hard work and juggling has paid off today!

Well done. Feels like one of our own achievment. Good luck and let us know where you go on from here.

BTW the CPL entitles you to fly which aircraft? would be interesting to know, I think you mentioned something about timing on F28.

congrates maruf bhai :) hope to see u on the first officer seat of RX, BG and 4H.
best of luck for ur piloting career .

Thanks everyone... do wish me luck... career path seems a little bumpy at the moment in Bangladesh.. a little tensed I am... just hoping I get employment fast. If I can manage the time and funds I'm willing to join a masters in aviation management degree course (distant learning) at a suitable foreign institute. I will highly appreciate it if anybody here can provide me some information on where the best possible options may be. At the same time, I'm considering the Flight Instructor rating.

(Supersonik, I think you got me mixed up with Nacief bro, who joined Biman and mentioned about cockpit timing on the F28.)

Cheers

Galive

November 18th, 2011, 11:24 AM

Supersonik

November 18th, 2011, 03:34 PM

that means security check like this never happen with A310 paxs as it has stop in DXB. Or It happens with 77w because it fly from LHR to MAN.

If it is then Direct flight to DAC-MAN-DAC will not have security check like this :lol:

These journalists are ..................

Thinking the same, looks like this route means MAN pax having to get off at LHR for lengthy security checks which would be pain. Could be avoided by simple flights DAC-LHR-DAC and DAC-MAN-DAC with or without stop at DXB.
I suspect this will happen in the future. I get the impression from the various reports that Palki UK service has been met with poor pax numbers.

Re, DXB pax do go through security but its fairly quick and hassle free, and sometimes pax aren't allowed out.

TIslam

November 18th, 2011, 03:52 PM

Thanks everyone... do wish me luck... career path seems a little bumpy at the moment in Bangladesh.. a little tensed I am... just hoping I get employment fast. If I can manage the time and funds I'm willing to join a masters in aviation management degree course (distant learning) at a suitable foreign institute. I will highly appreciate it if anybody here can provide me some information on where the best possible options may be. At the same time, I'm considering the Flight Instructor rating.

.................

Our very own Imran Asif is the man for you for such information. Perhaps you could contact him and see if he has the time and willing to advise you on which online institution would be a good fit. I would only suggest that you chose a program/degree/institution that is accredited by ICAO.

BTW, don't you want to be an airline pilot? If yes, then why pursue a master's degree?

TIslam

November 18th, 2011, 04:00 PM

that means security check like this never happen with A310 paxs as it has stop in DXB. Or It happens with 77w because it fly from LHR to MAN.

I don't think so. In fact I think these folks (the newspaper reporters) don't know what they are talking about.

UK probably has the same rules and procedures on immigration and customs inspection as does the US. Under US immigration rules, all immigration and customs checks must be conducted at the first port of arrival (landing), even if that is NOT the passengers or aircraft's final destination/point of termination. I bet there are no immigration/customs formalities to be done when they arrive in MAN from LHR.

If it is then Direct flight to DAC-MAN-DAC will not have security check like this

I don't know about that but certainly no duplication of immigration and customs.

These journalists are ..................

You got that right. :)

shatilislam

November 18th, 2011, 09:26 PM

BA7E7

November 19th, 2011, 02:31 AM

:wallbash:

Registration: S2-AFV
Serial number: 53377 LN:2057
First flight date: 01/03/1993
Plane age: 18.7 years
Engines: 2 x PW JT8D-219

Delivery date: 01/12/2011

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/photos/SXBPP.jpg
Photo by: Bill Kokkotas (Date: 11.11.2011)

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/showphotos.main?from=2

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-md80-53377.htm

rinathq

November 19th, 2011, 04:16 AM

TIslam

November 19th, 2011, 05:22 AM

Tejagaon Airport upgraded to a domestic airport.....

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=210745

Without giving it any thought, dont see how its beneficial. Cause domestic airlines wont be able to transit passengers.....

I believe it is purely a political move on the part of GoB via CAAB. VGTJ will be a domestic airport only on the books, in order to make sure of its physical (structural) existence. It will never become operational.

A complete waste of badly needed space for the city.

Galive

November 19th, 2011, 03:56 PM

:wallbash:

Registration: S2-AFV
Serial number: 53377 LN:2057
First flight date: 01/03/1993
Plane age: 18.7 years
Engines: 2 x PW JT8D-219

Delivery date: 01/12/2011

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/showphotos.main?from=2

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-md80-53377.htm

But to me, 4H's plan seems better than z5. They are really doing good in case of Rajshahi route. In case of BKK they got almost full flight. They got over 120 pax on an average in case of DXB. Their MD's are better than z5's.

I never say, 4H is good but I wanna say than their plan is better than z5. 4h's MDs use per day is below 5 hours or equals.
By the MD they operate
3 flight to KUL that means 6.5BH(return)X3= 19.5
3 flight to DXB that means 1o.2 (return)X3= 30.6
4 flight to KTM that means 1.8 (return) X 4= 7.2
---------------------------------------------------
Total 57.3BH

aviator787

November 19th, 2011, 06:29 PM

But to me, 4H's plan seems better than z5. They are really doing good in case of Rajshahi route. In case of BKK they got almost full flight. They got over 120 pax on an average in case of DXB. Their MD's are better than z5's.

I never say, 4H is good but I wanna say than their plan is better than z5. 4h's MDs use per day is below 5 hours or equals.
By the MD they operate
3 flight to KUL that means 6.5BH(return)X3= 19.5
3 flight to DXB that means 1o.2 (return)X3= 30.6
4 flight to KTM that means 1.8 (return) X 4= 7.2
---------------------------------------------------
Total 57.3BH

Will you please tell that BKK flight is being operated by ATR72 or with MD80's or with A310??

TariqHasan

November 20th, 2011, 01:37 AM

I may be wrong but I didn't hear anything like this for BD airlines before.

http://www.bangladeshmonitor.net/poll2011.php

Galive

November 20th, 2011, 02:07 AM

Will you please tell that BKK flight is being operated by ATR72 or with MD80's or with A310??

By ATR-72. As they know that theycan not compete with BG, Thai, Bangkok Airways that's why they target some CGP pax who visit to Bangkok, but they can't attract them. They start DAC-BKK by ATR72-500.

TIslam

November 20th, 2011, 03:07 AM

By ATR

And how's that working out for them (DAC-BKK by 4H)?

How's their load factor on DAC-RJH and DAC-SDP?

Galive

November 20th, 2011, 05:30 AM

And how's that working out for them (DAC-BKK by 4H)?

How's their load factor on DAC-RJH and DAC-SDP?

From our office one of my colleague went to RJH by 4H two times(return). He said that average load factor he said that 38-45 pax per flight.

TIslam

November 20th, 2011, 06:19 AM

By ATR-72. As they know that theycan not compete with BG, Thai, Bangkok Airways that's why they target some CGP pax who visit to Bangkok, but they can't attract them. They start DAC-BKK by ATR72-500.

Is their (4H) DAC-BKK flight via CGP? Is their fare the lowest? I don't see how they can compete otherwise, unless the demand in that sector is higher than (total) supply.

TIslam

November 20th, 2011, 06:20 AM

From our office one of my colleague went to RJH by 4H two times(return). He said that average load factor he said that 38-45 pax per flight.

That doesn't sound bad at all, provided all the pax are for RJH and not split b/w RJH and SDP. How is the load (demand) for SDP? This route may end up being viable for 4H as long as there is no competition.

Galive

November 20th, 2011, 04:15 PM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/5/2/1982259.jpg

this is a A300 of Thai. now it is 13.5 years old and it is listed in speed news for sale.

Galive

November 20th, 2011, 04:18 PM

This route may end up being viable for 4H as long as there is no competition.

As per RX chairman they gonna add one more aircraft for international and one for other domestic routes. Do they have plan to start Rajshahi ?

mTDI

November 20th, 2011, 04:46 PM

BIMAN Bangladesh Boeing 777-300ER (77W) LANDING in Rome Fiumicino Leonardo da Vinci

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS5FmOCs8vA&feature=player_embedded

Supersonik

November 20th, 2011, 06:44 PM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/5/2/1982259.jpg

this is a A300 of Thai. now it is 13.5 years old and it is listed in speed news for sale.

Do you how much it's quoted for, or the equivalent lease costs. Would be good match for 4H maybe.

^^
Its kind of good to hear afew positives about 4H as before came across generally bad comments. There is improvement in their website but still scope for more with perhaps some details/background of the management like GMG. The schedule looks to be up to date( no Gatwick).

Wouldn't do any harm to maybe freshen up the website as Biman and GMG have done.

nabil02

November 20th, 2011, 08:25 PM

Biman's new flight in MAN ..... HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC65cW7PSdY

khalid773

November 20th, 2011, 10:12 PM

double post ...

khalid773

November 20th, 2011, 10:15 PM

S2-AFO at Heathrow on Nov 19th ,2011...pleasure to watch...

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credit: MrFlashjet

Supersonik

November 21st, 2011, 12:43 AM

Fog is causing major disruptions at London Heathrow airport, about 160 flights cancelled tonight.

TIslam

November 21st, 2011, 03:51 AM

Fog is causing major disruptions at London Heathrow airport, about 160 flights cancelled tonight.

That must be some fog that (ATC) controllers and/or pilots cannot even rely on ILS CAT IIIB!

DAC has plain old ILS CAT I, for which winter fog plays havoc with early morning arrivals between the months of November and February.

Supersonik

November 21st, 2011, 05:39 AM

That must be some fog that (ATC) controllers and/or pilots cannot even rely on ILS CAT IIIB!

DAC has plain old ILS CAT I, for which winter fog plays havoc with early morning arrivals between the months of November and February.

Yes it's quite bad, I was driving fairly close to that area yesterday and some patches visibility was reduced significantely.

I have to admit I knew Bangladesh being a hot country, smog and haze were a problem and easy to notice but never fog or at least bad enough to disrupt flights.

Galive

November 21st, 2011, 06:02 AM

Do you how much it's quoted for, or the equivalent lease costs. Would be good match for 4H maybe.

13.5years old A300 will not cost more than 280000 USD/months. But the revenue they got from it will be huge as it is possible DAC-RUH-DAC three times (45BH) and DAC-DXB-DAC two times a week. Also they can carry the revenue cargo with it. They cargo facility in A300 is nice. And from DAC BG and FlyDubai get huge cargo (fish) to DXB.

Galive

November 21st, 2011, 07:31 AM

S2-AFO at Heathrow on Nov 19th ,2011...pleasure to watch...

gihJ2We_2fU

credit: MrFlashjet

The Video is awesome.

BG has nice potential to gain the market through the S2-AFO. But they can't achieve that. about 130 pax were from ZYL when it was with A310 via ZYL. That's really great in number.
S2-AFO can't land in ZYL so they have to cover the gap with 737 but they use F-28 which is in very bad condition to attract most ZYL paxs. Biman can also collect 70-80pax from CCU as their fair and baggage allowance is better than AI or Jet. From CCU over6000 people fly to LHR each week. If BG get 10% of them that will be huge. In DAC-LHR-MAN-DAC average pax were 200-300 last two or three week although it has potential to be 350-400 on an average.

Supersonik

November 21st, 2011, 12:26 PM

The Video is awesome.

BG has nice potential to gain the market through the S2-AFO. But they can't achieve that. about 130 pax were from ZYL when it was with A310 via ZYL. That's really great in number.
S2-AFO can't land in ZYL so they have to cover the gap with 737 but they use F-28 which is in very bad condition to attract most ZYL paxs. Biman can also collect 70-80pax from CCU as their fair and baggage allowance is better than AI or Jet. From CCU over6000 people fly to LHR each week. If BG get 10% of them that will be huge. In DAC-LHR-MAN-DAC average pax were 200-300 last two or three week although it has potential to be 350-400 on an average.

Don't know where you got the figure of 130 for the A310 Via ZYL, I can tell you that it's more like 190+ on average. Even recent quoted reports of incidents in this forum involving the Airbus would support this number.

Regarding Palki, isn't it so obviously striking that a brand new 773 can only fill half the seats... About 10000 pax fly between UK and ZYL every week so if Biman had a little business sense then it could easily fill those Being seats by arranging a simple timely connection between ZYL and DAC and I say this because the flight from LHR to ZYL(Biman) on any aircraft or routes is bearable where as return is not, so to get round headache, a simple suggestion is to get pax from ZYL to DAC with either the Airbus or DC10 afew hours before Palki's flight to London, this would result in short transit at DAC which most could manage.

BTW I've never seen Indian ppl fly with BG, the only foreigners sometimes are mostly white ppl from various places.

TIslam

November 21st, 2011, 01:21 PM

...............

About 10000 pax fly between UK and ZYL every week ............

If that statistic is correct then BG's UK routes ought to be quite profitable. The fact that it isn't can only be due to the fact that most UK expats do not use BG. Why not? How is any other carrier better since none fly directly to ZYL? If transiting through DAC is a pain, then it should be for all other airlines as well.

...............
so if Biman had a little business sense then it could easily fill those Being seats by arranging a simple timely connection between ZYL and DAC and I say this because the flight from LHR to ZYL(Biman) on any aircraft or routes is bearable where as return is not, so to get round headache, a simple suggestion is to get pax from ZYL to DAC with either the Airbus or DC10 afew hours before Palki's flight to London, this would result in short transit at DAC which most could manage.

The key to resolving this problem lies in bringing ZYL up to code (runway strength, adequate fire suppression/prevention equipment, and refueling facility) so that inbound flights from UK would be ZYL-DAC.

BTW I've never seen Indian ppl fly with BG, the only foreigners sometimes are mostly white ppl from various places.

I don't expect many Indians, if any to use BG from UK as they have abundant choices from most UK airports to India. A decent amount of Indians however, do use BG from HKG, KUL, SIN to get to CCU or DEL. BG's JFK route use to see a quite few Indians, as it was only one hop to DEL (via BRU). Those pax may no longer exist since 9W now has similar route, unless BG offers much lower fares.

Galive

November 21st, 2011, 02:04 PM

Don't know where you got the figure of 130 for the A310 Via ZYL, I can tell you that it's more like 190+ on average. Even recent quoted reports of incidents in this forum involving the Airbus would support this number.

It is not 190. I got the number from my friend (a BG 737 crew). Almost 60% of total pax from ZYL. But I agree that Biman need to use 737 not A310 for quick flight(within 1 hour) to ZYL.

... About 10000 pax fly between UK and ZYL every week so if Biman had a little business sense

I am confused about the number.

BTW I've never seen Indian ppl fly with BG, the only foreigners sometimes are mostly white ppl from various places.

This is true. but biman can try to attract some of them. if BG got 50-60 pax then it will bring more revenue.

unleashed_1

November 21st, 2011, 03:11 PM

TIslam

November 21st, 2011, 03:35 PM

Personally if beiman flew direct lhr-zyl-lhr with no dac twice a week. I guarantee it would always 95% of the time be nearly full. But due to bdesh and beiman being so incompetent even tho they now have a brand new 777 that people wouldnt mind flying on, they would rather use ME carriers because the service is much better and better punctuality and rather take a private hire car (5-7hr ride) to their villages in the sylhet region than fly biman....my family being one! Altho older generation rather fly beiman due to "direct" sylhet flights

Unfortunately, BG cannot fly their 773 directly to ZYL, until the airport is made capable to accept such aircraft type. This inadequacy not only affects BG, but all other carriers as well.

I can appreciate that poor performance with on-time arrival, i.e. lack of punctuality can be an issue (problem) however, I believe most people would be willing to put up with inferior cabin service, as long as it is a direct flight.

Galive

November 21st, 2011, 03:46 PM

Clipper747

November 21st, 2011, 03:55 PM

If that statistic is correct then BG's UK routes ought to be quite profitable. The fact that it isn't can only be due to the fact that most UK expats do not use BG. Why not? How is any other carrier better since none fly directly to ZYL? If transiting through DAC is a pain, then it should be for all other airlines as well.
fares.

That stat is good give or take a few thousand for peak/off peak periods. As for why we sylheti people use other airlines rather than biman is simple

1) we don't like to be dragged to Dhaka a day early and than put up in a cattle class hotel. Which other airline does that and if they do it's a top end hotel.

2) in protest. Fly to sylhet or we will fly with other airlines.

3) some sylheti people feel betrayed and others feel that biman is a big safety issue and thus made up there mind not to ever fly biman.

Clipper747

November 21st, 2011, 04:11 PM

Unfortunately, BG cannot fly their 773 directly to ZYL, until the airport is made capable to accept such aircraft type. This inadequacy not only affects BG, but all other carriers as well.

I can appreciate that poor performance with on-time arrival, i.e. lack of punctuality can be an issue (problem) however, I believe most people would be willing to put up with inferior cabin service, as long as it is a direct flight.

Brother we all know what the problem is at ZYL why no one can fly there. The question is why in flipping he'll have they kept ZYL in the god damn dark ages. I mean those of you that don't see what is and has been goeing on need to open your eyes. It has been kept like this intentionally.

Islam Bhai my anger is not directed at you rather GOB and BIMAN

TIslam

November 21st, 2011, 05:20 PM

That stat is good give or take a few thousand for peak/off peak periods. As for why we sylheti people use other airlines rather than biman is simple

1) we don't like to be dragged to Dhaka a day early and than put up in a cattle class hotel. Which other airline does that and if they do it's a top end hotel.

Nobody does, and you're not alone in that BG does the same other other pax on other routes as well. If fact, they have a rather discriminator practice. If you are a white skinned foreign passenger, they will automatically book you in a better class hotel, not necessarily five star, but if you are a hapless deshi who never protests or ask questions, they will put you up in a flea motel. Unless people protest en mass and do so repeatedly, BG will not change their practice. After all it saves them a lot of money that they really don't have.

2) in protest. Fly to sylhet or we will fly with other airlines.

But, isn't that akin to "cutting off ones nose despite the face"? How does it help if the hassle factor remains the same, if not greater? What arrangements do the other (foreign) carriers make for passengers whose final destination is ZYL?

3) some sylheti people feel betrayed and others feel that biman is a big safety issue and thus made up there mind not to ever fly biman.

Feeling betrayed is quite natural, but avoiding BG for potential safety issues? All I can say is "chicken". I don't worry about it.

Supersonik

November 21st, 2011, 05:25 PM

^^
clipper points has hit the nail on the head. The truth is that it has been kept like this intentionally as ppl from Sylhet have been flying to UK in larger numbers for the past 50 years. The 10k pax numbers I quoted may seem alot but this includes all carriers operating from the 4 major airports in the UK to BD who then go to Sylhet in all forms of transport. Emirates alone prolly account for 40% of this traffic.

Clipper highlighted that pax are put in shoddy hotel, Does everyone think it would be a bad experience if the hotel was fairly clean and decent, of course not, ppl would enjoy the experience and it could form part of the break/holiday and pax would view it as an attraction and not as a nightmare.

I look at things from business point of view and it seems a waste of space and money that a brand new aircraft aren't able to attract the pax where as 20 year old Airbuses have no problem filling the seats because utimately pax view convenience (direct) as more important than a new craft.

The bottom line is even with current fleet and the existing ZYL facilities there is scope to fill almost all of the new aircrafts seat if BG wanted to.

TIslam

November 21st, 2011, 05:27 PM

Brother we all know what the problem is at ZYL why no one can fly there. The question is why in flipping he'll have they kept ZYL in the god damn dark ages. I mean those of you that don't see what is and has been goeing on need to open your eyes. It has been kept like this intentionally.

Really? And what may that be since I fail to see exactly what purpose it serves (deliberately not upgrading ZYL) ?

Islam Bhai my anger is not directed at you rather GOB and BIMAN

None taken. More than Biman, I believe the fault/problem lies at the door of GoB. My opinion is that expats from Sylhet, and people from the region have not brought enough pressure to bear to (successive) GoB on this issue. Both AL and BNP have influential and high profile leaders (ministers) hailing from Sylhet. Why haven't they (the Sylhetis) been able to make use of that leverage?

Galive

November 22nd, 2011, 09:54 AM

None taken. More than Biman, I believe the fault/problem lies at the door of GoB. My opinion is that expats from Sylhet, and people from the region have not brought enough pressure to bear to (successive) GoB on this issue. Both AL and BNP have influential and high profile leaders (ministers) hailing from Sylhet. Why haven't they (the Sylhetis) been able to make use of that leverage?

Personally I never think that Cox's Bazar need an international airport same as CGP. But I think ZYL need to be upgraded like CGP. Cox's Bazar airport need development but do not need to be same as CGP.

VOOT is in GOB.

TIslam

November 22nd, 2011, 07:43 PM

Personally I never think that Cox's Bazar need an international airport same as CGP. But I think ZYL need to be upgraded like CGP. Cox's Bazar airport need development but do not need to be same as CGP.

VOOT is in GOB.

Sylhet airport is almost there as far as making it a fully functional international airport. I don't see what is so difficult in adding a refueling facility and setting up an aviation fire department.

MohammedC

November 22nd, 2011, 10:49 PM

When is S2-AFP getting delivered. Not in the recent flight line photo at KPAE by Matt Cawby.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/6380863343/sizes/o/in/photostream/

TariqHasan

November 23rd, 2011, 12:59 AM

Personally I never think that Cox's Bazar need an international airport same as CGP. But I think ZYL need to be upgraded like CGP. Cox's Bazar airport need development but do not need to be same as CGP.

VOOT is in GOB.

Well... what's the point of upgrading an airport if you are not going to make even half the use of it?? It's been about 10 years since CGP was upgraded. But all we get is a handful of Biman flights and couple of budget airlines. We all have to suffer for the sake of Biman's business. I read a report the other day that among all the expats in the ME, more that 50% are from Chittagong. Yet majority of them have to come to Dhaka and then drag their way to Chittagong, same thing on their way back. If GoB allowed ME carriers to fly to CGP, I'm sure many people would benefit from it. Same goes for Sylhet.

And I don't think there's any point of complaining/urging to GoB as it won't make any difference. Public opinion count in most parts of the world but not BD. No matter how much pressure we create, even the local ministers aren't bothered about our problem. Obviously they wouldn't want to stop having their share of the pie.

samaruf

November 23rd, 2011, 01:45 AM

I read a report the other day that among all the expats in the ME, more that 50% are from Chittagong. Yet majority of them have to come to Dhaka and then drag their way to Chittagong, same thing on their way back.

If you include people from Greater Noakhali region in the mix then almost 80% of Bangladeshis in the Gulf countries hail from Chittagong division. These people would forego traveling to Dhaka if more airlines flew to CTG. I was very optimistic when Kuwait Airways had started a service hoping EK, EY and QR would follow suit but unfortunately they gave up on it after a very short duration.

samaruf

November 23rd, 2011, 02:00 AM

Two days ago my ailing mother flew to Chittagong from Dhaka on 4H to attend a wedding and after her return I asked her about her experience. She was very positive about the airline and was mentioning how well she was taken care of on the plane as well as on the ground. She kept saying saying the stewardess took care of her like a daughter. I was insisting on her flying RX but my dad went and bought the 4H ticket because it was 2000 Tk cheaper. Both flights were on time and even though 4H flies a turboprop, the 45 minutes journey was smooth.

United has earned some brownie points in my book and I hope all our local airlines remain customer focused and make a name for themselves in the aviation industry.

TIslam

November 23rd, 2011, 03:25 AM

Well... what's the point of upgrading an airport if you are not going to make even half the use of it?? It's been about 10 years since CGP was upgraded. But all we get is a handful of Biman flights and couple of budget airlines. We all have to suffer for the sake of Biman's business. I read a report the other day that among all the expats in the ME, more that 50% are from Chittagong. Yet majority of them have to come to Dhaka and then drag their way to Chittagong, same thing on their way back. If GoB allowed ME carriers to fly to CGP, I'm sure many people would benefit from it. Same goes for Sylhet.

I would argue that CGP has been a partial success. It appeared that it was going to be a complete waste of money, soon after completion, when TG withdrew their deal offer and hardly any airline other than BG, MI and TG were using it. Today, however, quite a few airlines are operating to CGP, LCCs notwithstanding. Unlike ZYL, where BG pushed GoB not to permit BA non stop service from UK, CGP has been open to any airline that wishes to use it. At least four foreign airlines are using CGP. I expect MI and TG will eventually return. How many are flying to ZYL?

And I don't think there's any point of complaining/urging to GoB as it won't make any difference. Public opinion count in most parts of the world but not BD. No matter how much pressure we create, even the local ministers aren't bothered about our problem. Obviously they wouldn't want to stop having their share of the pie.

While it may appear futile, I beg to differ and would like to suggest that given enough hue and cry, even a thick skulled and thick skinned government like GoB, would take notice, as long as the campaign is large and sustained. They have been instances where GoB changed its policies or instituted new ones or completed some project, in face of strong demonstrations/protests.

TIslam

November 23rd, 2011, 03:34 AM

If you include people from Greater Noakhali region in the mix then almost 80% of Bangladeshis in the Gulf countries hail from Chittagong division. These people would forego traveling to Dhaka if more airlines flew to CTG. I was very optimistic when Kuwait Airways had started a service hoping EK, EY and QR would follow suit but unfortunately they gave up on it after a very short duration.

Begs the question, why did KU exit? The budget carriers seem to be doing well. In fact, Fly Dubai started only recently. Further to note, that Oman Air operates only to CGP, having quit DAC.

Why aren't GF, EK, EY, SV interested in CGP since bulk of their pax are from that region?

Naz_toronto

November 23rd, 2011, 04:51 AM

Begs the question, why did KU exit? The budget carriers seem to be doing well. In fact, Fly Dubai started only recently. Further to note, that Oman Air operates only to CGP, having quit DAC.

Why aren't GF, EK, EY, SV interested in CGP since bulk of their pax are from that region?

I think Kuwait Airways stopped that route due to lack of pax and cargo..that's what one of my uncle who works in Kuwait airways office told me. I flew that route too. YYZ-LHR-KWI-CGP last year end and the load factor was barely 60% on KWI-CGP leg and even lower on return.

TariqHasan

November 23rd, 2011, 06:37 AM

I think Kuwait Airways stopped that route due to lack of pax and cargo..that's what one of my uncle who works in Kuwait airways office told me. I flew that route too. YYZ-LHR-KWI-CGP last year end and the load factor was barely 60% on KWI-CGP leg and even lower on return.

I read the same as well that it was due to lack of pax and cargo. I don't have any idea about cargo but I find the lack of pax claim surprising!! I flew twice on that route (once in October and the other in January) and on both occasions there were hardly any empty seats.

One of the reasons that EK, EY and others are not interested to fly there may be that there aren't any good hotels near to the airport. The closest one is roughly 10 km away. Also, to name a few, I've heard that there's still issues with re-fuelling and hardly any facilities for catering.

Galive

November 23rd, 2011, 07:01 AM

If you include people from Greater Noakhali region in the mix then almost 80% of Bangladeshis in the Gulf countries hail from Chittagong division. These people would forego traveling to Dhaka if more airlines flew to CTG. I was very optimistic when Kuwait Airways had started a service hoping EK, EY and QR would follow suit but unfortunately they gave up on it after a very short duration.

BG has CGP connected flight with all ME routes like DXB, Maskat, RUH-DMM, Doha, AUH.

DAC-CGP-DXB-CGP-DAC
DAC-CGP-RUH-DMM-CGP-DAC
DAC-CGP-Maskat-CGP-DAC
DAC-CGP-AUH-CGP-DAC

Galive

November 23rd, 2011, 07:49 AM

Arun-alo will in DAC at 9.45pm

Supersonik

November 23rd, 2011, 11:40 AM

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 12:29 PM

Biman fare for LHR-ZYL/DAC is out

£600 return

Muntasir_19

November 23rd, 2011, 12:53 PM

Congratulations my friend. Hope we can share same cockpit again, inshallah. Fly high dear!

Muntasir.

Supersonik

November 23rd, 2011, 01:11 PM

Biman fare for LHR-ZYL/DAC is out

£600 return

For what period? Have you booked your ticket, and are you planning to travel by yourself or with family?

In the upcoming peak holiday rate with Biman is about £850-900.

skystar320

November 23rd, 2011, 01:15 PM

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 01:22 PM

Flying with S2-AFO on 1st of February 2012

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 01:26 PM

For what period? Have you booked your ticket, and are you planning to travel by yourself or with family?

In the upcoming peak holiday rate with Biman is about £850-900.

January period....I am flying on my own. Booked my ticket now. Flying with 777 to DAC on 1st feb and returning from ZYL with A310

I got mine on £580

TIslam

November 23rd, 2011, 01:27 PM

TIslam

November 23rd, 2011, 01:31 PM

January period....I am flying on my own. Booked my ticket now. Flying with 777 to DAC on 1st feb and returning from ZYL with A310

I got mine on £580

Is that a return fare (580)? Holy cow! That too during peak season. No wonder BG never makes any money.

You try any airline (or combination thereof) for flights to DAC from the US, from now until second week of February, the average fare is over $2500.

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 01:35 PM

Is that a return fare (580)? Holy cow! That too during peak season. No wonder BG never makes any money.

You try any airline (or combination thereof) for flights to DAC from the US, from now until second week of February, the average fare is over $2500.

Emirates offered me with £500 same day flight! and so did KU with £480

I got £15 discount from my travel agent though. standard price is £600+ to £750 in this period.

TIslam

November 23rd, 2011, 01:38 PM

......
One of the reasons that EK, EY and others are not interested to fly there may be that there aren't any good hotels near to the airport. The closest one is roughly 10 km away. Also, to name a few, I've heard that there's still issues with re-fuelling and hardly any facilities for catering.

I'm not so sure those are good enough reasons, for EK operates to quite a few cities in India and Pakistan with marginal airports (yet to be fully international grade, no catering services etc.) and not much by way of tourist facilities. They (EK) fly to those destinations owing to demand.

TIslam

November 23rd, 2011, 01:42 PM

Why point them towards RX? 4H is a fine example of an airline that has screwed the heads on and running the business

What's wrong with referring some business to a friend? That's what word of mouth business (referral) is all about.

Galive

November 23rd, 2011, 01:50 PM

http://www.thedailystar.net/latest_photo/2011/11/23/2011-11-23__Biman.JPG

The second Boeing 777-300ER aircraft joins the fleet of Biman Bangladesh Airlines Thursday as Boeing has completed preparation to deliver this fourth generation new aircraft.

Boeing delivered the first to Biman in October under a $1.2 billion sales agreement signed in 2008. As per the agreement, the US aviation industry will supply ten brand-new aircrafts, including four Boeing 777-300ERs, four Boeing 787-8 and two Boeing 737-800 NG aircrafts.

With the joining of this second Boeing airplane, Biman's fleet strength increases to 16.

The deliveries of next two 777-300ERs are scheduled for 2013.

Boeing 777-300ER has a capacity of carrying 419 passengers in two class configurations. With the advent of Boeing 777s, Biman's ageing DC-10s will be phased out gradually.

"These two aircraft deliveries are a major milestone for Biman Bangladesh and Boeing and a sign of growing US-Bangladesh economic relationship, said a press release issued Wednesday by the US Embassy in Dhaka.

"Boeing is supplying the aircraft as part of a long-term fleet renewal programme that aims to modernise Bangladesh's national carrier," it said.

Delivery of new 777-300ER will usher in a new era of commercial aviation for the nation, according to the Biman Bangladesh Airlines.

The state airline introduced non-stop services to London, Manchester, Rome, Milan and Kuala Lumpur with the newly procured Boeing 777 from November 2, 2011.

The 777-300ER brings new twin-engine efficiency to the Biman's long-haul fleet. The airplane is powered by General Electric GE90-115BLs, the world's largest and most powerful commercial jet engines.

According to Biman, the Boeing 777-300ER is 19 percent lighter than its closest competitor, greatly reducing its fuel requirement. It produces 22 percent less carbon dioxide per seat and costs 20 percent less to operate per seat.

The airplane can seat up to 365 passengers in a three-class configuration and has a maximum range of 7,930 nautical miles (14,685 km). The 777 family is the world's most successful twin-engine, twin-aisle airplane.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/latest_news.php?nid=33896

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 02:45 PM

gonna book my dad's flight with BG. he wants to fly with 777 for both departue and return.

this is the schedule i got from my agent

Dep: LHR 5:30PM-MAN-DAC11:40am-ZYL1:30PM

note: departure with 777 and from DAC to ZYL with A310

On return flight he would be flying from ZYL at 7:20am to DAC with DC10 and fly to LHR with 77W at 10am on the same day.

No need to stay Dhaka for the night and its the same morning flight to LHR

I think this is quite good

Supersonik

November 23rd, 2011, 02:50 PM

January period....I am flying on my own. Booked my ticket now. Flying with 777 to DAC on 1st feb and returning from ZYL with A310

I got mine on £580

Thats what I would like to do, 773 to DAC, then whatever to ZYL and come back hopefully from ZYL via DXB. spoke afew weeks ago to an agent and I was told that routing wasn't possible i.e if I went with the 773 then return would be via DAC (hotel stay)... Think I'll have to phone around.

Many of my family and relatives are traveling in the next few months. £900 paid to BG in the middle of december and £700 with EK about same time although Biman fare comes down dramatically after 2nd 3rd week January to about £600 as you mentioned, my brother also going end of jan with BG I think £600.

samaruf

November 23rd, 2011, 03:16 PM

Why point them towards RX? 4H is a fine example of an airline that has screwed the heads on and running the business

Well, I have read a lot about Regent in the forums here and wanted my mother to experience their service and tell me first hand if it was satisfactory. Since Imran Asif bhai responds to some customer comments here, it was going to be an unbiased comment on how his airline is doing, especially when dealing with infirm and ailing passengers.

I haven't checked the domestic fares, but is there a wide gulf between Biman and the other airlines and among themselves?

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 04:01 PM

Thats what I would like to do, 773 to DAC, then whatever to ZYL and come back hopefully from ZYL via DXB. spoke afew weeks ago to an agent and I was told that routing wasn't possible i.e if I went with the 773 then return would be via DAC (hotel stay)... Think I'll have to phone around.

Many of my family and relatives are traveling in the next few months. £900 paid to BG in the middle of december and £700 with EK about same time although Biman fare comes down dramatically after 2nd 3rd week January to about £600 as you mentioned, my brother also going end of jan with BG I think £600.

Heard they are giving some promotional offers for that period.

Yes you can fly from ZYL. No need to stay at DAC or you can select a early morning flight to DAC from ZYL as stated on my last post.

Supersonik

November 23rd, 2011, 05:55 PM

Heard they are giving some promotional offers for that period.

Yes you can fly from ZYL. No need to stay at DAC or you can select a early morning flight to DAC from ZYL as stated on my last post.

Yes, thats really great news. I just spoke to agent, you can now come back on the the morning flight to DAC and then almost straightaway catch the B773 to LHR. Some would still be coming the day before but at least there is this morning option. Having followed the ZYL arrivals and dep by DC10 and the A310 on the morning of palkis flight to London, I was wondering is this some kind of connection to the LHR flights but thought the time was too short, now I know it is.

Looks like I will get the chance to get on board on the new B773 afterall inshallah.

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 07:16 PM

Yes, thats really great news. I just spoke to agent, you can now come back on the the morning flight to DAC and then almost straightaway catch the B773 to LHR. Some would still be coming the day before but at least there is this morning option. Having followed the ZYL arrivals and dep by DC10 and the A310 on the morning of palkis flight to London, I was wondering is this some kind of connection to the LHR flights but thought the time was too short, now I know it is.

Looks like I will get the chance to get on board on the new B773 afterall inshallah.

just got my ticket actually...done...cant wait for the flight!!

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4485/we4i.png

and yeah talking abt that flight ...between ZYL-DAC and DAC-LHR you have around an 2 hours...its good..

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 07:30 PM

Is that a return fare (580)? Holy cow! That too during peak season. No wonder BG never makes any money.

You try any airline (or combination thereof) for flights to DAC from the US, from now until second week of February, the average fare is over $2500.

well standard tickets during peak hour from UK is around £680/750+ which is around $1000/1100...Biman always been expensive from LHR considering the service and facilities you get...only EK is more pricier

On the same day on my flight EK offering £510, QR £503, KU £495 EY £500 whereas Biman's standard price for LHR-DAC OR LHR-ZYL starts at £600

And for peak period at £750+ for economy! when with EK you can get a seat £650.

I must say Biman is expensive

TIslam

November 23rd, 2011, 08:27 PM

well standard tickets during peak hour from UK is around £680/750+ which is around $1000/1100...Biman always been expensive from LHR considering the service and facilities you get...only EK is more pricier

On the same day on my flight EK offering £510, QR £503, KU £495 EY £500 whereas Biman's standard price for LHR-DAC OR LHR-ZYL starts at £600

And for peak period at £750+ for economy! when with EK you can get a seat £650.

I must say Biman is expensive

The lowest fare I could find on the web for DAC from JFK was $1453 on QR, for the month of December. I believe the discrepancy in the fare is owing to much higher airport tax(es) in the US.

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 08:36 PM

The lowest fare I could find on the web for DAC from JFK was $1453 on QR, for the month of December. I believe the discrepancy in the fare is owing to much higher airport tax(es) in the US.

I checked BG's price during December its hitting somewhere around £750/800 with 40KG + 6 months open return option

MohammedC

November 23rd, 2011, 08:39 PM

shuvon

November 23rd, 2011, 09:05 PM

I have no problem with that flight schedule. As long as I don't have to stay in any hotel I am fine with it.

I think BG made a good arrangement. They only need to mention to customers that 777 goes to Dhaka and than you get airbus 310 to ZYL at 1:30pm...and on return you can fly in the morning to DAC with DC10 and than 777 again to LHR

A lot of people don't want to stay at the hotel or don't wanna fly "small" F28 or try GMG. 4H's turboprops....

Galive

November 24th, 2011, 01:42 AM

well standard tickets during peak hour from UK is around £680/750+ which is around $1000/1100...Biman always been expensive from LHR considering the service and facilities you get...only EK is more pricier

On the same day on my flight EK offering £510, QR £503, KU £495 EY £500 whereas Biman's standard price for LHR-DAC OR LHR-ZYL starts at £600

And for peak period at £750+ for economy! when with EK you can get a seat £650.

I must say Biman is expensive

from 510 to 680GBP. Pretty expensive. Biman can't offer less than it as BG's price is $1100 (with 48KG baggage) throught the year. But EK, Qatar, Etihad will never offer you that discount throughout the year.

shuvon

November 24th, 2011, 02:52 AM

from 510 to 680GBP. Pretty expensive. Biman can't offer less than it as BG's price is $1100 (with 48KG baggage) throught the year. But EK, Qatar, Etihad will never offer you that discount throughout the year.

When do you wanna fly with EK, EY, KU, or QR? Let me know :) you can always get tickets for between £480-£580 with any of these middle eastern airlines with 32kg allowance throughout the year. I have used them all.

shuvon

November 24th, 2011, 03:02 AM

BG 2nd 777 left Seattle for delivery flight 20 mins ago.

TariqHasan

November 24th, 2011, 04:50 AM

.. At least four foreign airlines are using CGP. I expect MI and TG will eventually return..

That's an interesting comment. Any specific reason you think that way?

Galive

November 24th, 2011, 04:54 AM

When do you wanna fly with EK, EY, KU, or QR? Let me know :) you can always get tickets for between £480-£580 with any of these middle eastern airlines with 32kg allowance throughout the year. I have used them all.

Tell us about baggage allowance you usually get from BG.

shuvon

November 24th, 2011, 12:53 PM

Tell us about baggage allowance you usually get from BG.

40kg with BG

35 with EK

32 with QR

32 with EY

32 with KU

30 with 9W

If you are tying to make a point saying BG gives you 5kg extra so their pricing justifies their case..than I must remind with BG you get, bad time management, less than avarage quality of service and almost zero in flight entertainment apart from 77W, inconsistent service and flight standard, poor seating and so on. Since BG can't offer these services on regular basis they offer a good luggage allowance and that's only one way from LHR-ZYL/DAC. And that even only because they don't carry enough cargo from LHR not as a trade off option

Galive

November 24th, 2011, 03:10 PM

If you are tying to make a point saying BG gives you 5kg extra so their pricing justifies their case..than I must remind with BG you get, bad time management, less than avarage quality of service and almost zero in flight entertainment apart from 77W, inconsistent service and flight standard, poor seating and so on. Since BG can't offer these services on regular basis they offer a good luggage allowance and that's only one way from LHR-ZYL/DAC. And that even only because they don't carry enough cargo from LHR not as a trade off option

Thanks bhai.

Now the seat, AVOD is ok. Service and KHANA will be quit average.

shuvon

November 24th, 2011, 03:34 PM

M.G.R.

November 24th, 2011, 03:53 PM

http://www.thedailystar.net/latest_photo/2011/11/23/2011-11-23__Biman.JPG

The airplane can seat up to 365 passengers in a three-class configuration and has a maximum range of 7,930 nautical miles (14,685 km). The 777 family is the world's most successful twin-engine, twin-aisle airplane.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/latest_news.php?nid=33896

Three class configuration? That comes as a surprise to me. Is bimanair introducing first class with the new aircraft?

shuvon

November 24th, 2011, 04:05 PM

Three class configuration? That comes as a surprise to me. Is bimanair introducing first class with the new aircraft?

three class if you include the cockpit hahaha

jokes apart its 2 class as like S2-AFO

TIslam

November 24th, 2011, 05:15 PM

That's an interesting comment. Any specific reason you think that way?

In that they were the "early adopters" if you will, but suspended the routes during economic downturn (both the airlines and world economy). TG could've left for political reasons (just like KL did). So they are bound to return as passenger traffic grows in those sectors from CGP.

TIslam

November 24th, 2011, 05:29 PM

Thanks bhai.

Now the seat, AVOD is ok. Service and KHANA will be quit average.

but they cancel the flight anytime they want to...dont tranfer you to another airline...leave you at cheap hotel...

the suffering is priceless :)

I don't know why BG's meals are so pitiful. It didn't used to be that way. I've heard from people that way back when they used to always offer chicken biryani as one choice along with a western option. My wife traveled to DAC in J class from JFK once, and I still have their menu card from that flight. It was an elaborate meal service with lots of snacks in between.

Today, the Indian carriers and even PK have much better meal offerings.

rinathq

November 25th, 2011, 10:17 AM

I don't know why BG's meals are so pitiful. It didn't used to be that way. I've heard from people that way back when they used to always offer chicken biryani as one choice along with a western option. My wife traveled to DAC in J class from JFK once, and I still have their menu card from that flight. It was an elaborate meal service with lots of snacks in between.

Today, the Indian carriers and even PK have much better meal offerings.

Their meal is much better than the "Muslim Food" we get from Air Canada. So i never complain about BGs meal

shuvon

November 25th, 2011, 11:46 AM

I don't know why BG's meals are so pitiful. It didn't used to be that way. I've heard from people that way back when they used to always offer chicken biryani as one choice along with a western option. My wife traveled to DAC in J class from JFK once, and I still have their menu card from that flight. It was an elaborate meal service with lots of snacks in between.

Today, the Indian carriers and even PK have much better meal offerings.

the rice smell weird all the time however that's not my biggest concern. my concern is with the breakfast omelet. Jesus......so oily and tasteless....always avoided the omelet whenever used BG.

skystar320

November 25th, 2011, 12:58 PM

What's wrong with referring some business to a friend? That's what word of mouth business (referral) is all about.

Nothing I was curious thats all why he would refer Regent?

shuvon

November 25th, 2011, 01:08 PM

Biman’s second Boeing 777 arrives

The October 26 file photo shows a Boeing aircraft is pictured at Shahjalal International Airport in Dhaka.
BSS, Dhaka
Biman's second new Boeing 777-300ER (extended range) aircraft, named 'Arun ALo', arrived at Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport Thursday night from Boeing's Seattle headquarters.

"The second consecutive brand new Boeing 777-300ER worth $152 million landed here at 11:00pm last night," a spokesperson of Biman Bangladesh Airlines told BSS on Friday.

A Biman delegation, led by its Managing Director Air Commodore Mohammad Zakiul Islam, received the new aircraft from the world's leading plane manufacturer Boeing Company in the USA on Wednesday.

The new aircraft, jointly operated by Boeing and Biman pilots, arrived in the capital after a 17-hour direct flight from Seattle to Dhaka.

With the joining of this second Boeing airplane, with 419 seats in a two-class configuration, Biman's fleet strength increased to 16, Biman sources said adding that Biman's ageing DC-10s will be phased out gradually with the advent of Boeing 777s.

The Boeing delivered the first 777-300ER aircraft to the Biman Bangladesh Airlines, the national flag carrier, on October 22 and Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina officially unveiled the aircraft 'Palki' at Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport on October 26.

Biman introduced non-stop services to London, Manchester, Rome, Milan and Kuala Lumpur from November 2, 2011.

Besides the two Boeing 777-300ERs, Biman will also procure two more Boeing 777-300ERs in 2013, two Boeing 737-800s in 2015, two Boeing 787-8s in 2019 and another two Boeing 737-800s in 2020 under a $1.2-billion sales agreement signed in 2008.

Recently, a high-profile Bangladesh delegation led by Civil Aviation Minister G M Quader went to the US to discuss handing over of the aircraft, training of pilots and resumption of Dhaka-New York flights.

"These two aircraft deliveries are a major milestone for Biman Bangladesh and Boeing and a sign of the growing US-Bangladesh economic relationship," said a press release issued by the US Embassy in Dhaka on Wednesday.

Biman sources said the Boeing's fourth generation 777-300ER is powered by twin engines, GE90-115BLs, the world's largest and most powerful commercial jet engines.

The Boeing 777-300ER is 19 percent lighter than its closest competitor, greatly reducing its fuel requirement. It produces 22 percent less carbon dioxide per seat and costs 20 percent less to operate per seat, it added.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/latest_news.php?nid=33938

Manazir

November 25th, 2011, 01:35 PM

Their meal is much better than the "Muslim Food" we get from Air Canada. So i never complain about BGs meal

haha bro I would like to hear about it :D

iamkarib

November 25th, 2011, 03:29 PM

Dont know if I had posted this before,but did you guys notice the font size?See for yourself...oh and bdy,its 'The' Palki...

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s171/iamkarib/palki.jpg

TIslam

November 25th, 2011, 04:27 PM

Their meal is much better than the "Muslim Food" we get from Air Canada. So i never complain about BGs meal

Unless you're into keeping halal, it is safe to fore go the muslim meals on US/Canadian carriers as well as MH, SQ, as they never serve any pork/ham, other than for breakfast. I've long given up on specials meals as they don't taste good.

TIslam

November 25th, 2011, 04:37 PM

the rice smell weird all the time however that's not my biggest concern. my concern is with the breakfast omelet. Jesus......so oily and tasteless....always avoided the omelet whenever used BG.

I'm weary of omelets served by airlines ever since I got food poisoning from eating one on an EK flight from DXB to DAC. I know it was the omelet because it was the last meal I had before disembarking and I was fine until about late morning/early afternoon. I later recalled that the eggs were on the runny side, so probably not well cooked (heated). Man, did I suffer for the next two days! Nearly ruined my trip.

Timbutdim

November 25th, 2011, 05:09 PM

Brief service term in key posts deters CAAB competency: EASA Report

Author / Source: MASHIUR RAHAMAN

DHAKA, NOV 23: Short service term in key posts at Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB), filled by deputation from members of Air Force and ministries, has been identified as the prime deterring factor to improve competency in the country’s civil aviation regulatory body. According to an audit report, compiled by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) Technical Assessment Mission, emphasis was laid on ensuring a complete CAAB autonomy in recruitment and promotion.
“Most CAAB board members come from the Air Force and are in position rarely over three years,” the EASA report said.

Including chairman, CAAB is run by a board of seven members. Since 1982, the average service period for a chairman has only been about 1.5 years, the report said.
“This (short service period as chairman and members) does not give sufficient time to provide CAAB with a vision and strategic goals,” the report pointed out.

Assigning people of the Air Force as board members is acceptable as long as their mandate is long enough for them to acquire a civil aviation culture and then implement the necessary actions to promote the safety of civil air transport, the report suggested.
The EASA report, submitted in March 2010 as confidential recommendation, has unveiled that nine out of CAAB’s 14 key posts, including chairman, are run by members of Air Force or the related ministry on deputation.

As per CAAB website, the incumbent chairman and member of Operation and Planning are two Air Force officials. Similarly, the member of Administration and member of Finance are on deputation from the ministry concerned. Out of the nine directors, two are on deputation from Air Force and three from the ministry.

A CAAB director, an Air Force official, however, justifies the practice of external hiring because of a dearth of skilled manpower within the authority. But many CAAB officials, who have been in service for over a decade, have a feeling of deprivation despite having all qualifications for promotions.

As per Bangladesh Gazette under the Civil Aviation Authority Ordinance 1988, a vacant post in CAAB has to be filled by promotion of a qualified member one stage below the post within the organisation. In case of unavailability of suitable manpower, the CAAB can conditionally hire member from Air Force or the ministry who comply with mandatory requirements.
“We have several examples of pending rightful promotion applications from members within the organisation over years,” said a CAAB deputy director requesting anonymity.
On the other hand, there have been several cases when recruitment is done on deputation, ignoring gazette regulations, he added.
“They (members on deputation) come to serve for a very short period and leave even before understanding the task well enough,” sources said, adding that officials hired on deputation are not even accountable to the authority or the civil aviation ministry once they leave.

Talking to The Independent, civil aviation and tourism minister Golam Mohammed Quader acknowledged the need for an autonomous CAAB for raising its service quality and regulatory efficiency.
“It’s time to reduce CAAB’s dependency on external staffs on deputation by developing in-house expertise,” he said.
Short-term service by the experts hired on deputation in key posts has been the prime factor behind CAAB’s failure in coming out of the infamous Significant Safety Concern (SSC) list, labelled by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) even after two years, the minister admitted.
“The practice needs to be changed and the government is working on a project to formulate a separate organogram for CAAB,” Quader said, adding that the completion of organogram will take six-to-seven months more.

As per technical evaluation report, the EASA audit has also mentioned that CAAB has 3,238 personnel. Despite having such high number of employees, CAAB is unable to properly carry out its national and international obligations related to civil aviation safety.
As general civil servants, EASA report said, CAAB key officials are paid very low salaries, compared to those in the commercial aviation industry, making an obstacle for the authority to recruit high quality personal as per requirements.

On financial side, CAAB does not suffer from any constraints but it lacks a flexibility in using the resources. In order to ensure an effective CAAB, the EASA report suggested that the tenure of the chairman should not be less than five years.

http://www.theindependentbd.com/business/others/81369-brief-service-term-in-key-posts-deters-caab-competency.html

TIslam

November 25th, 2011, 05:25 PM

khalid773

November 26th, 2011, 08:31 AM

IAG Cargo, through its brand British Airways World Cargo, has operated the first commercial flight of a Boeing 747-8 Freighter to Dhaka recently, the first scheduled arrival of this new aircraft in the region. The freighter landed at Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport in the city from Hong Kong on Thursday last.The B747-8F is Boeing's largest commercial airplane in service, the fourth generation of the famous B747, with the first deliveries to airline customers starting last month. The aircraft is engineered to be over 10 percent more fuel efficient, while carrying over 15 percent more capacity than the B747-400.

source: newstoday

And the Water Cannon Salute :okay:

VISQrxCoTKA

TariqHasan

November 26th, 2011, 12:51 PM

...

And the Water Cannon Salute :okay:

VISQrxCoTKA

Would have been nice if they did something like this for the Biman Palki and Arun-Alo.

Supersonik

November 26th, 2011, 02:19 PM

^^
What warrants this nice gesture, welcome (it is afterall cargo plane) and yet our own new Aircrafts didn't get the same.

I don't expect British airways to resume pax service to B'desh anytime soon but isn't ironic that BA wanted to do direct service to ZYL but was refused.
Supply and demand is something we come across and may be BA saw something there.
Out of curiosity how would they served that route( which aircrafts) if they were granted permission few years back? Would they've used a medium wide body perhaps.

TIslam

November 26th, 2011, 05:27 PM

^^
What warrants this nice gesture, welcome (it is afterall cargo plane) and yet our own new Aircrafts didn't get the same.

My question exactly!

..........
Out of curiosity how would they served that route( which aircrafts) if they were granted permission few years back? Would they've used a medium wide body perhaps.

Perhaps 757? I suppose BA could resume their service to Bangladesh any time, when a) they have excess capacity and/or b) permitted to operate direct flights to ZYL.

Galive

November 26th, 2011, 05:54 PM

Clipper747

November 26th, 2011, 07:28 PM

My question exactly!

Perhaps 757? I suppose BA could resume their service to Bangladesh any time, when a) they have excess capacity and/or b) permitted to operate direct flights to ZYL.

Actually belive it or not they had planned to operate the 777-236er to ZYL. The ba plan was at full swing when BG got GOB to not allow them. And in two occasions they done test flights to ZYL according to a BA cabin crew I spoke to who is bangali and was on the LHR-DAC sector. BA 777 after landing at DAC went empty to ZYL on test flights.

Tislam Bhai you asked why would gob or bg not allow ZYL to go fully international and have all the equipment how would that benefit them or so down those lines. Why do you think they blocked BA from going to ZYL. They don't block other airlines to operate out of CGP or DAC does that not ring any bells?

Supersonik

November 27th, 2011, 01:44 AM

^^ I think BA will not land in BD anymore as they have a bad experience from travel agents.

And BA service to BD is good for pax's but not for BG. And also they have to arrange huge money for the installment so it is better that their will no more direct flight to DAC from LHR by other airlines.

And one thing more, why any other EU airlines like Alitalia, Virgin, Air Berlin etc not enter BD market as some of us tell us that the pax size from LHR to DAC/Zyl is 10,000 ? They can get a good number of pax of London by a stop at Berlin, FCO etc.
From BA's point of view I don't think they're desperate to resume pax service to BD, for many reasons. Installment is not their worry, BG and authorities will neither be keen to see this if that's what you mean, as it loses some of the competitive advantage, and perhaps this or something similar was behind the refusal to BA to start direct flights to ZYL.

Most airlines around the world are barely profit making and most are struggling to survive including Alitalia, scaling back on destinations and frequency seems to be the the order of the day, Virgin is not in good financial health.
Turkish is a EU airline that flies to BD,and also is growing reputation. if others do, than not sure.

If you find it hard to believe in the 10k figure, than perhaps try to find out how many flights EK operate, perhaps that would give you a good lead.

What I would more interested in is where that BA 747 cargo is operation from?

Galive

November 27th, 2011, 05:14 AM

Turkish is a EU airline that flies to BD,and also is growing reputation. if others do, than not sure.

yes, Turkish got a good reputation by their service. They are excellent in service. Specially lots of EU pax prefer Turkish. Now a day they allow 10kg extra baggage for EU paxs (37kg). But for the additional 1 stop in KHI is not good for growth in BD. Some PIA paxs prefer Turkish for KHI.

Galive

November 27th, 2011, 05:50 AM

I am really confused that BG really wanna resume Tokyo and start service to SYD. I got a news in Banglanews24. Also still they have not confirmed what will be the destination of S2-AFP. Unless JED no other route is not confirmed yet.

If they resume Tokyo then it will be in great trouble as the existing routes need a new, fresh, reliable aircraft and BG have to phase out two of the DC-10 to by very early 2012 reduce fuel cost. The DC-10s are overhauled recently. I think this is the best time to sell them to any cargo company or else.

If S2-AFP fly to DAC-LHR three times a week and two times to JED then it seems to be perfect and then BG can use the A310s to other route which served by DC-10s.

can anyone from BG confirm us what would be the plan ? Where is Nacif ?

Reliable

November 27th, 2011, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Galive
I am really confused that BG really wanna resume Tokyo and start service to SYD. I got a news in Banglanews24. Also still they have not confirmed what will be the destination of S2-AFP. Unless JED no other route is not confirmed yet.

Last time Biman operated DAC-NRT-DAC sector, they had a dismal load factor. I still recall Biman once carrying 1 (yes 1) pax in this sector with 707. Hope Biman gets it third time lucky.

Sad part of the news is, Biman has two 777's now and they had so many months/years to plan for the new routes, they are just 'conducting market survey' keeping the aircraft on ground (under utilised)...it's a shame.

Reliable

November 27th, 2011, 12:16 PM

[QUOTE=Clipper747;86067637]Actually belive it or not they had planned to operate the 777-236er to ZYL. The ba plan was at full swing when BG got GOB to not allow them. And in two occasions they done test flights to ZYL according to a BA cabin crew I spoke to who is bangali and was on the LHR-DAC sector. BA 777 after landing at DAC went empty to ZYL on test flights. QUOTE]

BA never left BD due to low load factor (LHR-DAC-LHR). BA 777 operation was ramped up to 5 flights a week before it was withdrawn. Although BA enjoyed good load factor, the route wasn't a profitable one. BA had plenty of VFR passengers but Business class wasn't doing so well and you don't make much profit selling cheap tickets at the back of the plane.

I am skeptical if BA will start DAC or ZYL direct in the near future.

manbil777

November 27th, 2011, 12:43 PM

My question exactly!

Perhaps 757? I suppose BA could resume their service to Bangladesh any time, when a) they have excess capacity and/or b) permitted to operate direct flights to ZYL.

This is the most hilarious example of a water cannon salute I've ever seen.

On the left there was a guy (some molla) standing on top of the water tender's roof. This moron could not aim the stream properly and hit the top deck's side on the brand new aircraft. I hope there was no damage.

Second you don't do water cannon salutes near the boarding bridge (like they did here). It is commonly done as airplanes enter the parking ramp from taxiways and from standing off at least a couple of hundred feet away from the entering aircraft (not from fifty feet like here). You could easily damage panels with the strong water jets like they almost did here.

See the link for a proper water cannon salute for World's first A380 (SQ at Changi 4:45).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO_7RUqripM

I am very glad these idiots did not do a water cannon salute to the 77W's.

Clipper747

November 27th, 2011, 01:33 PM

Galive

November 27th, 2011, 03:53 PM

Last time Biman operated DAC-NRT-DAC sector, they had a dismal load factor. I still recall Biman once carrying 1 (yes 1) pax in this sector with 707. Hope Biman gets it third time lucky.

Sad part of the news is, Biman has two 777's now and they had so many months/years to plan for the new routes, they are just 'conducting market survey' keeping the aircraft on ground (under utilised)...it's a shame.

BG want Tokyo, SYD, Colombo, Male by early next year.

Resume of NRT is Totally foolish. Few days ago they recruit some managers. May be they are placed their. Can anyone confirm this ?
SYD route is good for BG but this is not the right moment for start. They need to collect money for the new 77W and replace the DC-10 first.

One thing BG authority afraid of that about load factor in DAC-LHR-MAN-DAC route. If this happen to DAC-LHR-DAC direct flight then all the plan will be in vain.

In case of Male-Colombo I want to say that it will be a good decision as 737s can be use more than they are used now a days. I made a plan for 737s of BG (it is my time pass duty :lol:). here I got , the 737s of BG can be used 4-6BH more per week. and they time of Colombo flight is not more than 2BH. So it is ok for BG.

TIslam

November 27th, 2011, 04:47 PM

^^ I think BA will not land in BD anymore as they have a bad experience from travel agents.

And that would be? Care to elaborate? Just a bad experience does not make an airline (or a company/business) quit. When BA quit it was for their own business reasons.

And BA service to BD is good for pax's but not for BG.

Of course it is, but so is any other foreign carrier that operates to Bangladesh.

And also they have to arrange huge money for the installment so it is better that their will no more direct flight to DAC from LHR by other airlines.

Could not comprehend what you meant.

And one thing more, why any other EU airlines like Alitalia, Virgin, Air Berlin etc not enter BD market as some of us tell us that the pax size from LHR to DAC/Zyl is 10,000 ? They can get a good number of pax of London by a stop at Berlin, FCO etc.

Bangladesh is still considered an immature market both in terms of business travel and tourism. More foreign carriers will enter the sector as international commerce picks up with more countries and/or tourism picks up.

TIslam

November 27th, 2011, 04:54 PM

......

Tislam Bhai you asked why would gob or bg not allow ZYL to go fully international and have all the equipment how would that benefit them or so down those lines. Why do you think they blocked BA from going to ZYL. They don't block other airlines to operate out of CGP or DAC does that not ring any bells?

Yes, clearly GoB was trying to protect BG's interest when they refused BA to use ZYL for direct UK service however, I do not see why they would not complete the job of bringing ZYL to international code (status) now.

TIslam

November 27th, 2011, 05:05 PM

This is the most hilarious example of a water cannon salute I've ever seen.

On the left there was a guy (some molla) standing on top of the water tender's roof. This moron could not aim the stream properly and hit the top deck's side on the brand new aircraft. I hope there was no damage.

Second you don't do water cannon salutes near the boarding bridge (like they did here). It is commonly done as airplanes enter the parking ramp from taxiways and from standing off at least a couple of hundred feet away from the entering aircraft (not from fifty feet like here). You could easily damage panels with the strong water jets like they almost did here.

See the link for a proper water cannon salute for World's first A380 (SQ at Changi 4:45).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO_7RUqripM

I am very glad these idiots did not do a water cannon salute to the 77W's.

Goes to show that they have no experience in such procedure, nor did they bother to learn/practice. I can only hope they do their fire drills in a professional and by-the-book manner. :ohno:

Clipper747

November 27th, 2011, 05:17 PM

Yes, clearly GoB was trying to protect BG's interest when they refused BA to use ZYL for direct UK service however, I do not see why they would not complete the job of bringing ZYL to international code (status) now.

From what I think is if biman upgrade ZYL and start non stop flights to europ and Mideast other airlines likes of EK/EY/QR and even maybe see the return of BA to ZYL market which in turn would doom bimans chance of ever getting any sylheti pax to fly with them. I would estimate 90% of sylheti's PAX choosing to fly any thing else rather than biman. So in order to stop other airlines taking most of sylheti pax ZYL has to remain the way it is.

TIslam

November 27th, 2011, 06:44 PM

From what I think is if biman upgrade ZYL and start non stop flights to europ and Mideast other airlines likes of EK/EY/QR and even maybe see the return of BA to ZYL market which in turn would doom bimans chance of ever getting any sylheti pax to fly with them. I would estimate 90% of sylheti's PAX choosing to fly any thing else rather than biman. So in order to stop other airlines taking most of sylheti pax ZYL has to remain the way it is.

Biman cannot upgrade ZYL for it is only an airline. It is the job of CAAB which again, is ultimately a decision of MoCA/GoB.

I'm skeptical that the full service middle east carriers would be so eager to serve ZYL, since they have not even begin to serve CGP, even though the bulk of Bangladeshi expats in the middle east are from that area.

Yes BA may return, but I'm not too sure about the immediacy of it. Perhaps in the few years when some of BA presents routes may no longer be as profitable or could even become loss making.

Clipper747

November 27th, 2011, 08:35 PM

Supersonik

November 27th, 2011, 09:05 PM

Biman cannot upgrade ZYL for it is only an airline. It is the job of CAAB which again, is ultimately a decision of MoCA/GoB.

I'm skeptical that the full service middle east carriers would be so eager to serve ZYL, since they have not even begin to serve CGP, even though the bulk of Bangladeshi expats in the middle east are from that area.

Yes BA may return, but I'm not too sure about the immediacy of it. Perhaps in the few years when some of BA presents routes may no longer be as profitable or could even become loss making.

From this and previous comments I sense that you accept the fact BG/GOV refused BA the direct service they wanted and this understandable, yet you mention it isn't BG's fault ZYL has not been upgraded, or BG don't have enough fleet for timely ZYL-DAC connections, and even that once necessary work is completed it will not make a big difference as major ME carriers aren't in hurry to get here, however I feel you're deflecting the genuine criticism and the fact that obviously BG ,CAAB, GOV, are governed by the same people and on top of this tree lies mrs Hasina. If Hasina wanted to change mr Zakiul Islam she could but not the other way round, so I don't accept that it was this or that organisation.

These organisations have been slow to carry out the mentioned works, because there is big potential to be effected by the improvements i.e lose revenue to other carriers. If BG or lets say the gov of B'desh aren't so fearfull than why not let 1 small airline operating 1 weekly with A310 on the Gatwick-Sylhet(United) without directly competing against them soon after, now thats I what call dirty tactics. BG weren't afraid they were very afraid all because of a measly 200 seats.

Who knows what will happen when ZYL is proper international standard capable of recieving much larger aircrafts with necessary fire fighting capability and of course re-fueling system. May be ME carriers won't come like you say, but can you honestly deny the fact that the
whole dynamics/equation won't change when likes of Air india,Pakistan, Jet,
are allowed to fly straight to ZYL to from UK with or without stop.

TIslam

November 27th, 2011, 09:13 PM

What I ment to say was if they (Biman) could get GOB to block BA from serving ZYL they (biman) can get GOB not to upgrade ZYL.

I can accept the former premise but not the latter, for I doubt BG has that much clout in the corridors of government where lobbyists (read: dalals) rule the roost.

TIslam

November 27th, 2011, 09:22 PM

From this and previous comments I sense that you accept the fact BG/GOV refused BA the direct service they wanted and this understandable, yet you mention it isn't BG's fault ZYL has not been upgraded, or BG don't have enough fleet for timely ZYL-DAC connections, and even that once necessary work is completed it will not make a big difference as major ME carriers aren't in hurry to get here, however I feel you're deflecting the genuine criticism and the fact that obviously BG ,CAAB, GOV, are governed by the same people and on top of this tree lies mrs Hasina. If Hasina wanted to change mr Zakiul Islam she could but not the other way round, so I don't accept that it was this or that organisation.

Don't get me wrong. I get what you are say. I was merely pointing out the technicalities and modalities in what it takes ( or does not) to complete the remaining tasks at ZYL.

These organisations have been slow to carry out the mentioned works, because there is big potential to be effected by the improvements i.e lose revenue to other carriers. If BG or lets say the gov of B'desh aren't so fearfull than why not let 1 small airline operating 1 weekly with A310 on the Gatwick-Sylhet(United) without directly competing against them soon after, now thats I what call dirty tactics. BG weren't afraid they were very afraid all because of a measly 200 seats.

Yes, you are quite right however, I'm sure BG was quite capable of taking such decisions as it was a "no brainer" and very much within the capacity of the carrier to directly compete against 4H. What I contend however, is that the decision to compete against 4H did not have to come from, nor require approval of higher ups like MoCA or the PM's office.

Who knows what will happen when ZYL is proper international standard capable of recieving much larger aircrafts with necessary fire fighting capability and of course re-fueling system. May be ME carriers won't come like you say, but can you honestly deny the fact that the
whole dynamics/equation won't change when likes of Air india,Pakistan, Jet,
are allowed to fly straight to ZYL to from UK with or without stop.

Somehow, I feel it will happen sooner than later (ZYL to full international standard), and when that happens BG can ill afford to remain sloppy. Otherwise it will perish.

manbil777

November 27th, 2011, 10:21 PM

Pictures of the Biman executive class seats on Palki (77W)

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1099825

Supersonik

November 27th, 2011, 10:41 PM

Somehow, I feel it will happen sooner than later (ZYL to full international standard), and when that happens BG can ill afford to remain sloppy. Otherwise it will perish.

A speedy completion is all that can be hoped for, and then progress will hopefully diminish the grievences felt by pax from this part of the nation.

TIslam

November 27th, 2011, 10:54 PM

Pictures of the Biman executive class seats on Palki (77W)

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1099825

This must be the basic of basics in business class! Some airlines have "economy plus/deluxe" that are comparable to BG's business class. They try to compensate with elaborate fancy meals choices. I doubt BG is that imaginative or even cares.

Supersonik

November 27th, 2011, 10:55 PM

Pictures of the Biman executive class seats on Palki (77W)

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1099825

Don't like it! Looks too bland, lacks imagination, seems too tight for business although legroom good.

Remember the Euro Atlantic 777, I liked the blue wide business seats.

Galive

November 28th, 2011, 05:11 AM

This must be the basic of basics in business class! Some airlines have "economy plus/deluxe" that are comparable to BG's business class. They try to compensate with elaborate fancy meals choices. I doubt BG is that imaginative or even cares.

this is air India executive class seat

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/17983/560x448/air-india-executive-class.jpg

I there any difference you can see here. If you see BG's Business class in another view you will never say this.

this is comfort class of Turkish 77W

http://www.kuviajes.com/wp-content/uploads/galerias/aerolineas/Turkish-Airlines/2010/Turkish-Airlines_Comfort-Class/images/Turkish-Airlines_Comfort-Class-03.jpg

Sharaf012345

November 28th, 2011, 05:39 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRiPkrCJ5mI&feature=channel_video_title

Please go to my new video .... And soon i am goin to bangladesh i ll take video of Air canada A330 Biman A310 & B777 insallah

manbil777

November 28th, 2011, 07:02 AM

Galive

November 28th, 2011, 07:28 AM

Thanks for the comparative images Galive.

We may be comparing apples and oranges. The linked image I posted is of Biman's Muslin Executive class (equivalent to J class in other budget airlines). This class has been designed mainly for non fare-paying Govt. Servants (Amla) to travel separately from Y class passengers (labor to Saudi etc.) who have sold everything and paid through their nose to buy a plane ticket to go sweep streets in Saudi. Since the J class seats are forever doomed to be unpaid seats -- the question of superior padding does not arise :tongue3:

Unlike other budget airlines -- our bright biman marketing folks have wisely surmised that highly padded J class seats are unnecessary. They don't labor under the delusion that people will actually pay money to get on a Biman J class seat.:)

thanks to you also.
May be this is not comparable with Turkish or IA but they are far better than the existing A310. Yes, the seats and comfort and features of this class of BG is not good enough. That doesn't mean that the amlas are travel there for free. In every National carrier they have contract with different ministry so they they pay the fare another way.

Some people think that every thing related to Bg is being criticized easily because everyone will believe. Think is that there are lots of thing good in the 77W that are not is some of EK's 77W also.

We should keep our salute to care taker govt that they arrange a huge procurement for BG and for this reason we get brand new 77W. May be you know that for the S2-AFO and AFP BG pay only 152 million USD each. But how much EK or IA pay for that. Please check the actual price of a 77W.

The meal may be not good enough like Qatar, Ek or Turkish. But remember Bg is a two star airlines and they expect that by 2016 they will be upgraded to three star.

Supersonik

November 28th, 2011, 03:42 PM

thanks to you also.
May be this is not comparable with Turkish or IA but they are far better than the existing A310. Yes, the seats and comfort and features of this class of BG is not good enough. That doesn't mean that the amlas are travel there for free. In every National carrier they have contract with different ministry so they they pay the fare another way.

Some people think that every thing related to Bg is being criticized easily because everyone will believe. Think is that there are lots of thing good in the 77W that are not is some of EK's 77W also.

We should keep our salute to care taker govt that they arrange a huge procurement for BG and for this reason we get brand new 77W. May be you know that for the S2-AFO and AFP BG pay only 152 million USD each. But how much EK or IA pay for that. Please check the actual price of a 77W.

The meal may be not good enough like Qatar, Ek or Turkish. But remember Bg is a two star airlines and they expect that by 2016 they will be upgraded to three star.

Yes agree with you, that view from another angle does feel better, if you look at the above video there is a very nice front facing picture of the Business class cabin, giving good idea of the PTV and spaciousness, and it has to be said it is alot better than current Airbus, or DC10.
^^
Also alot of normal pax (paying) use Business class, and broad range of ppl from many background use Biman for different destinations so I don't see the need to point out one category i.e saudi bound workforce.(labourers, sweepers). These labourers happen to be the backbone of Bangladesh, it they as group who provide the second highest income for the country. so may be a little respect would be welcomed.

Galive

November 29th, 2011, 01:54 AM

Authorities of Biman Bangladesh Airlines fined a passenger of a newly purchased Boeing Tk 7.47 lakh for smashing the LCD monitor attached to his seat on Sunday.

The passenger, a youth, was flying to Bangladesh from London with his father, said a press release yesterday.

Quoting cabin crew members, a Biman official said the youth punched the 10 inch monitor several times smashing it while watching a movie.

As the aircraft landed at Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport around 12:50pm, Biman's security officials nabbed the passenger for legal procedure.

However, the issue was settled after his father paid Biman the fine.

Source-http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=212104

TIslam

November 29th, 2011, 02:31 AM

this is air India executive class seat

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/17983/560x448/air-india-executive-class.jpg

I there any difference you can see here. If you see BG's Business class in another view you will never say this.

Are you kidding? You mean to imply that there's no difference? I see a gulf of difference (no pun intended)! Those are leather seats to begin with.

this is comfort class of Turkish 77W

http://www.kuviajes.com/wp-content/uploads/galerias/aerolineas/Turkish-Airlines/2010/Turkish-Airlines_Comfort-Class/images/Turkish-Airlines_Comfort-Class-03.jpg

TK's comfort class is not business class. It is premium economy which is probably comparable to BG's J class.

TIslam

November 29th, 2011, 03:04 AM

thanks to you also.
May be this is not comparable with Turkish or IA but they are far better than the existing A310.

Most certainly it is quite a few notches above the A310s J class but certainly not comparable to IA or TK.

That doesn't mean that the amlas are travel there for free. In every National carrier they have contract with different ministry so they they pay the fare another way.

Yeah, tell me about it. Unless there has been a dramatic change, this is how it works with most GoB employees traveling on BG, save for some highest ranking officers such a Ministers and Secretaries. Must GoB employees get the money for the ticket up front from their departments however, they purchase the airline (BG) tickets on credit through some travel agents. They clear the debit through installment payments where in many instances they quit paying the balance after making a few payments, and some never pay up at all.

Think is that there are lots of thing good in the 77W that are not is some of EK's 77W also.

Are you implying that some amenities/features on BG's 773s are better than EK's? Care to provide the details?

But remember Bg is a two star airlines and they expect that by 2016 they will be upgraded to three star.

We'll be waiting but not holding our breath. :)

Galive

November 29th, 2011, 05:01 AM

^^ I have nothing to say TIslam Bhai.

The economy class of BG's 77W is better than some of the EK's highly dense 77W. That's why I mean.

Supersonik

November 29th, 2011, 03:51 PM

TariqHasan

November 29th, 2011, 06:31 PM

Off topic but thought I'd share:

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Airlines-Files-For-skynews-4263621.html?x=0

TIslam

November 29th, 2011, 08:32 PM

Off topic but thought I'd share:

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Airlines-Files-For-skynews-4263621.html?x=0

Does not mean it is about to go out of business. All the major US carriers have gone through Chapter 11 after 9/11, except AA. Now it is their turn. In today's super competitive market, I doubt they (AA) will be able to make it solo in the long run, since all the other large ones have merged with each other. Only ones left are AA and US.

TIslam

November 29th, 2011, 08:39 PM

If its as the report, then should have locked him in prison/cell for a few weeks that would have been a better lesson as well as the fine, which is good but if dad is rich then not a worry. That could and should be a warning to others.

If I was the father, I would have bashed the kid's head a few times myself! Talk about ill mannered destructive personality! I'm sure the parents are at fault for raising him right. The boy really got off easy and probably did not learn his lesson, and probably never will if his rich folks are always there to bail him out. He also got off easy because it was Bangladesh. In western countries, the police would have been at the gate to meet the boy.

Silv3r

November 29th, 2011, 10:12 PM

Does not mean it is about to go out of business. All the major US carriers have gone through Chapter 11 after 9/11, except AA. Now it is their turn. In today's super competitive market, I doubt they (AA) will be able to make it solo in the long run, since all the other large ones have merged with each other. Only ones left are AA and US.

US was merged with American West Airline?

Silv3r

November 29th, 2011, 10:13 PM

HereWeGo

November 29th, 2011, 10:25 PM

If its as the report, then should have locked him in prison/cell for a few weeks that would have been a better lesson as well as the fine, which is good but if dad is rich then not a worry. That could and should be a warning to others.

8 lakh is no money!!!
A fair outcome would have been 8 lakh + Prison OR
8 lakh + Fare for that 1 seat for all flights till the LCD does not get fixed (upto a maximum of 50 lakh taka)!!

Supersonik

November 30th, 2011, 12:50 AM

^^
That yob should also be banned for life, which is what most western and reputable carriers would have imposed.

Anyone know if Arun Alo has commenced flights and what routes?

TIslam

November 30th, 2011, 01:30 AM

US was merged with American West Airline?
They pretty much bought America West. US Airways is still a much smaller airliner compared to the rest and therefore a logical target for merger with AA.

TIslam

November 30th, 2011, 01:32 AM

Well he is "youth"

So you'll forgive anything as long as it is a "youth". :ohno:

Like I said he wouldn't have gotten away so easily in the west.

TIslam

November 30th, 2011, 03:53 AM

....

Anyone know if Arun Alo has commenced flights and what routes?

I would expect the same routes as Palki is serving. Remember, BG has an acute shortage of equipment, so these two aircraft would be expected to make up for the shortage. Although, I did read somewhere that being equipped with two 773s, BG is contemplating the resumption of their JFK service from February 2012.

Silv3r

November 30th, 2011, 06:04 AM

So you'll forgive anything as long as it is a "youth". :ohno:

Like I said he wouldn't have gotten away so easily in the west.

Well i made a mistake... when saying "youth" i thought he was young adult (over 18) but depends on the country. :bash:

Silv3r

November 30th, 2011, 06:06 AM

They pretty much bought America West. US Airways is still a much smaller airliner compared to the rest and therefore a logical target for merger with AA.
More Merger means less airlines in USA.

Galive

November 30th, 2011, 08:04 AM

BG is contemplating the resumption of their JFK service from February 2012.

No way. It is not possible until next financial year. There is no budget allocation for airport upgrade project. It is listed in PPP but you all know what happened there. So GOVT will enlisted the project in regular DEVELOPMENT fund and then...................

S2-AFP's service is still unknown.

TIslam

November 30th, 2011, 01:07 PM

More Merger means less airlines in USA.

That's been the case for quite sometime now. The Carter administration airlines deregulation has come full circle, just like it did in the telecommunication industry.

TIslam

November 30th, 2011, 01:21 PM

No way. It is not possible until next financial year. There is no budget allocation for airport upgrade project. It is listed in PPP but you all know what happened there. So GOVT will enlisted the project in regular DEVELOPMENT fund and then...................

Service to JFK is mutually exclusive from airport upgrade project, unless we're talking a direct DAC-JFK flight, which, will not happen in a million years despite airport upgrade, unless and until DAC receives Category 1 certification from FAA. Such certification has nothing to do with airport modernization or upgrade. Even a very basic airport can receive Category 1 certification, because it has to do with adoption and implementation of certain security procedures, instituting audit policies, maintaining chain of commands, and so on.

If BG is contemplating to resume service to JFK some time next year, I'm sure it will be via BRU or MAN.

skyhigh79

December 1st, 2011, 01:55 AM

TIslam

December 1st, 2011, 03:35 AM

Hi, guys can anyone help me?
Want to know whether it is possible to charter a dash8 of either z5,4h or rx from ZYL to Cox Bzar. Maybe Imran Asif can inform me on this.
Is this allowed if the customer is prepared to pay for all the cost involved, and if so, how much do you think it will be cost?

Why not approach (contact) each private airline individual and see who responds. One with excess/idle capacity ought to take you up.

GMGAirlines

December 1st, 2011, 05:01 AM

Hi, guys can anyone help me?
Want to know whether it is possible to charter a dash8 of either z5,4h or rx from ZYL to Cox Bzar. Maybe Imran Asif can inform me on this.
Is this allowed if the customer is prepared to pay for all the cost involved, and if so, how much do you think it will be cost?
Hello there,
We do offer charter booking. Please log in to http://www.gmgairlines.com/site/charter.php for more information.

You can also get in touch with us through our helpline number +880 9609 FLY GMG (+880 9609 3 59 464), +88 01730001610

iasif

December 1st, 2011, 10:33 AM

Hi, guys can anyone help me?
Want to know whether it is possible to charter a dash8 of either z5,4h or rx from ZYL to Cox Bzar. Maybe Imran Asif can inform me on this.
Is this allowed if the customer is prepared to pay for all the cost involved, and if so, how much do you think it will be cost?

You can email me with the details of your requirement at imran.asif@flyregent.com and I shall put my concerned department to take it up with you.

skystar320

December 1st, 2011, 12:23 PM

..

Hello there,aa
We do offer charter booking. Please log in to http://www.gmgairlines.com/site/charter.php for more information.

You can also get in touch with us through our helpline number +880 9609 FLY GMG (+880 9609 3 59 464), +88 01730001610

samaruf

December 1st, 2011, 04:34 PM

Just curious, do any of the big Bangladeshi companies own corporate jets? I know its a huge expense in keeping and maintaining a business jet but was wondering if some of the companies with over billion dollars turnover maintain a plane or may be even own partially through NetJets etc. Many Holywood celebrities have their own jets so it can't be too much to assume a BD company might own one too.

Abrar

December 1st, 2011, 05:47 PM

TIslam

December 2nd, 2011, 01:18 AM

TIslam

December 2nd, 2011, 01:29 AM

Biman Bangladesh Airlines Boeing 777300 ER s2-afo landing @ manchester :)

http://youtu.be/FwlxxmiFtM4

how to become a commercial pilot ? :( i want to be a commercial pilot.
there is no icao listed academy in bangladesh !
so i was wishing to go to malaysia and complete my ppl, clp, ir , me course .
but some of my friend told me that i'll have to pay 30-35 lacs to the airline
company before joining as a pilot ! :/ is that true ?
he added that they charge is for the simulator .
please tell me correctly !

We have two recent BFA graduates in our forum. You may wish to check with them about relevant information. The gentlemen are Maruf Ahmed (M.Ahmed/mash_bfa) and Nacief Rahman (Nacief Aviator).

If you're looking abroad, the Philippines may be cheaper.

nabil02

December 2nd, 2011, 09:57 AM

Hi ,

Can someone please help me to find the most economic flight at the moment from LDN to DHK ?????

Timbutdim

December 2nd, 2011, 05:10 PM

Biman Bangladesh Airlines Boeing 777300 ER s2-afo landing @ manchester :)

how to become a commercial pilot ? :( i want to be a commercial pilot.
there is no icao listed academy in bangladesh !
so i was wishing to go to malaysia and complete my ppl, clp, ir , me course .
but some of my friend told me that i'll have to pay 30-35 lacs to the airline
company before joining as a pilot ! :/ is that true ?
he added that they charge is for the simulator .
please tell me correctly !

35 lacs for simulator training would be the additional cost for a type rating on your CPL after you have completed your IR. You'd be already 30+ lacs short of pocket before you start any type rating course after completing your PPL - IR training.
Airlines can sometimes shoulder this burden if they decide to hire you with only the bare essentials of a CPL/IR.This,however, is not the norm and industry demand usually dictates the accomodation of such a facility.

Gone are the days when airlines would sponsor wanabee pilots for their initial training and shepard them from zero hours to airline time. In an environment that's increasingly hostile to folks with budget constraints the advice would be to plan your training to coincide, as closely as possible, to any envisaged expansion or recruitment drives that you are aware of so that you can present yourself at the right time when the recruitment announcements are made (remembering training from zero hours to Frozen ATPL (CPL/ME/IR) can take anything up to 2+ yrs). This can be a stab in the dark exercise at best as market conditions - and obstinate regulatory authorities-invariably call the shots and can scupper the most noble of intentions laid down in the best of planning depts.

TIslam

December 2nd, 2011, 08:40 PM

35 lacs for simulator training would be the additional cost for a type rating on your CPL after you have completed your IR. You'd be already 30+ lacs short of pocket before you start any type rating course after completing your PPL - IR training.
Airlines can sometimes shoulder this burden if they decide to hire you with only the bare essentials of a CPL/IR.This,however, is not the norm and industry demand usually dictates the accomodation of such a facility.

Gone are the days when airlines would sponsor wanabee pilots for their initial training and shepard them from zero hours to airline time. In an environment that's increasingly hostile to folks with budget constraints the advice would be to plan your training to coincide, as closely as possible, to any envisaged expansion or recruitment drives that you are aware of so that you can present yourself at the right time when the recruitment announcements are made (remembering training from zero hours to Frozen ATPL (CPL/ME/IR) can take anything up to 2+ yrs). This can be a stab in the dark exercise at best as market conditions - and obstinate regulatory authorities-invariably call the shots and can scupper the most noble of intentions laid down in the best of planning depts.

That is where Biman comes in. They are probably among only a very few airlines that still recruit "cadet" pilots and train them up.

Supersonik

December 4th, 2011, 02:02 AM

Hi, guys can anyone help me?
Want to know whether it is possible to charter a dash8 of either z5,4h or rx from ZYL to Cox Bzar. Maybe Imran Asif can inform me on this.
Is this allowed if the customer is prepared to pay for all the cost involved, and if so, how much do you think it will be cost?

If you are serious about chartering and you come to some sort of arrangement or if you've had some quotes may be, then let us know, I would be interested for sure.

Supersonik

December 4th, 2011, 02:09 AM

Hi ,

Can someone please help me to find the most economic flight at the moment from LDN to DHK ?????

Do you mean cheapest London to Dhaka, have you enquired with any travel agents as they are really the best source and upto date but form past experience Kuwait and gulf seemed cheaper than others.

Galive

December 4th, 2011, 05:16 AM

Do you mean cheapest London to Dhaka, have you enquired with any travel agents as they are really the best source and upto date but form past experience Kuwait and gulf seemed cheaper than others.

Gulf's return in 1300+ USD
Jet gives it on 1350+ USD
Biman offer it on 822USD/525GBP(as per their web)

Shovon Bhai can give you a contact number for get EK on 500GBP/779USD.

Galive

December 4th, 2011, 04:03 PM

Does any body know the average dry lease rate of a 11 to 12years old 777-200 (not ER) now?

Clipper747

December 4th, 2011, 04:43 PM

Does any body know the average dry lease rate of a 11 to 12years old 777-200 (not ER) now?

I would say a ball park amount would be around $350000 per month dry. In the other hand one can get a A340-300 for around $250000 per month dry. Why galive planning to lease one.

Galive

December 4th, 2011, 05:04 PM

I would say a ball park amount would be around $350000 per month dry. In the other hand one can get a A340-300 for around $250000 per month dry. Why galive planning to lease one.

Ha ha, nice joke. Thanks for info. I was thinking that why 4H want to lease one more A310 for KSA. they can go for a 777 because this will bring more revenue for them.Two 17 years old A310 is never better than a 11-12 years old 772. Yes, it has risk but two unfaithful A310 is more risky than one 772. 772 can be use more than 11Bh/day but the A310s can't do it.

4H recently add one more MD which is 18 years old. I can't catch z5 and 4h's plan. What actually they wanna do. And what about RX. This is the last month of 2011 and there is no clue of 737NG or A320.

Supersonik

December 4th, 2011, 07:39 PM

Gulf's return in 1300+ USD
Jet gives it on 1350+ USD
Biman offer it on 822USD/525GBP(as per their web)

Shovon Bhai can give you a contact number for get EK on 500GBP/779USD.

At this moment anyone will be lucky to get tickets to DAC with BG as this is peak holiday season and for Biman we were quoted around £850+ afew weeks ago we (family ) plan to travel later. Ending december the rates come down substantially to around £600 or less Return..

Supersonik

December 4th, 2011, 07:46 PM

Ha ha, nice joke. Thanks for info. I was thinking that why 4H want to lease one more A310 for KSA. they can go for a 777 because this will bring more revenue for them.Two 17 years old A310 is never better than a 11-12 years old 772. Yes, it has risk but two unfaithful A310 is more risky than one 772. 772 can be use more than 11Bh/day but the A310s can't do it.

4H recently add one more MD which is 18 years old. I can't catch z5 and 4h's plan. What actually they wanna do. And what about RX. This is the last month of 2011 and there is no clue of 737NG or A320.

You make it sound so easy(leasing heavies). if only real life was so. More revenue for sure but 772 is not peanuts to lease or buy.

nabil02

December 4th, 2011, 08:51 PM

Galive

December 5th, 2011, 01:40 AM

You make it sound so easy(leasing heavies). if only real life was so. More revenue for sure but 772 is not peanuts to lease or buy.

4H purchased the A310 but it couldn't serve to London as the load factor was very low. And load factor was low as they late all the time and some time cancellation of flight. If they can manage a 777 or smaller 767 then it could be better. Yes, 777 is not easy to get for a airlines like 4H but what about 767.

Galive

December 5th, 2011, 01:43 AM

At this moment anyone will be lucky to get tickets to DAC with BG as this is peak holiday season and for Biman we were quoted around £850+ afew weeks ago we (family ) plan to travel later. Ending december the rates come down substantially to around £600 or less Return..

From where Shuvon Bhai get it at 620GBP(return).

shuvon

December 5th, 2011, 02:43 AM

Gulf's return in 1300+ USD
Jet gives it on 1350+ USD
Biman offer it on 822USD/525GBP(as per their web)

Shovon Bhai can give you a contact number for get EK on 500GBP/779USD.

Gulf and Jet at £850+...are you having a laugh..not even peak time they sell it for that much.. you can always tickest for LHR-DAC at £700/750 EVEN DURING PEAK TIME with EK, EY, QR. i have done it myself. you can get tickets for gulf and jet for even cheaper. you need to call the right people.

Biman rates during peak is as high as any other airlines. however standard BG will remain around £600/650 throughout the year. although sometime they release special fare to their top agents.

From where Shuvon Bhai get it at 620GBP(return).

I got mine at £560 during February. it was on special offer. but standard ticket for rest of the month as I said is still at £600+.

Galive

December 5th, 2011, 05:12 AM

Gulf and Jet at £850+...are you having a laugh..

I got mine at £560 during February. it was on special offer. but standard ticket for rest of the month as I said is still at £600+.

I got the information through the website search in the web of Gulf. Also BG shows it at 822USD in last of January and first of February. You can also check it. But this is true that in December of BG is 1250USD+.

shuvon

December 5th, 2011, 05:44 AM

I got the information through the website search in the web of Gulf. Also BG shows it at 822USD in last of January and first of February. You can also check it. But this is true that in December of BG is 1250USD+.

These website results are biased. Gulf always been cheap and least preferable middle east airline from the uk for bd pax.

Don't trust BG's online fare. As soon as you want to confirm they would tell you the real price or seat being unavailable. All the travel agents got their date last month's 22nd with fare £600+. There is no way BG selling tickets for £525.

Galive

December 5th, 2011, 06:35 AM

These website results are biased. Gulf always been cheap and least preferable middle east airline from the uk for bd pax.

Don't trust BG's online fare. As soon as you want to confirm they would tell you the real price or seat being unavailable. All the travel agents got their date last month's 22nd with fare £600+. There is no way BG selling tickets for £525.

Is your ticket is to ZYL ? I found 525GBP to DAC-LHR.

BTW, please take some pic for us at that time.

Supersonik

December 5th, 2011, 03:40 PM

4H purchased the A310 but it couldn't serve to London as the load factor was very low. And load factor was low as they late all the time and some time cancellation of flight. If they can manage a 777 or smaller 767 then it could be better. Yes, 777 is not easy to get for a airlines like 4H but what about 767.

Considering everything 767 would be much more suitable to 4H than 772 which only large airlines with fairly deep pockets seem to be running, but since 4H already have A310 would it make sense to add a different model and end up small fleet of diff aircrafts.

A310 is a nice aircraft if its in good condition than even better it is a wide body so it feels alot bigger than 767 anyway. I think why not make good effiecient use of what you have rather thinking more revenue/hours with a larger aircraft, which will not come cheaply.

TIslam

December 5th, 2011, 04:44 PM

Clipper747

December 5th, 2011, 08:34 PM

Shuvon Bhai I am so sorry please check your (PM) thanx.

Galive Bhai please also check your (PM) thanx

shuvon

December 6th, 2011, 01:11 AM

Shuvon Bhai I am so sorry please check your (PM) thanx.

:) no worries bro..its all good

rinathq

December 6th, 2011, 02:02 AM

Hey Guys,
Off topic but out of all the aviation experts, Can anyone please do me a favor? I just finished writing a protest paper for my university regarding Canadian government denying flights to Emirates. It would be great if someone can review it (roughly) and provide me with feedback

Galive

December 6th, 2011, 02:03 AM

Considering everything 767 would be much more suitable to 4H than 772 which only large airlines with fairly deep pockets seem to be running, but since 4H already have A310 would it make sense to add a different model and end up small fleet of diff aircrafts.

A310 is a nice aircraft if its in good condition than even better it is a wide body so it feels alot bigger than 767 anyway. I think why not make good effiecient use of what you have rather thinking more revenue/hours with a larger aircraft, which will not come cheaply.

They got 120crore from share market so they have potential to bring something new for 4H. But they choose old ATR, MDs and A310. A310 is good but you have to choose the good one. The A310 of 4H is not in good condition. In addition, S2-ADK is better than this one. In case of MD, I wanna say that why they should do like that. Why not 10-11 years old 737NG or A320.

With 70% load factor of a 737-800(170seat) 4h could earn at least 12 million BDT/month(after paying lease money).

Look-
DAC-CCU-DAC 6 flight/week
considering return fare 9,000BDT any airlines can earn 25432000BDT
(9000BDT X 112 average pax= 10,08,000BDT/day X6= 6048000BDT/week X4= 2,41,92,000BDT/month + cargo 12,40,000BDT/month)

After CCU flight they can go for BKK as CCU pax can catch flight to BKK and bring some cargo as well.

DAC-CGP-BKK-CGP-DAC four flight/week
Considering return fare 22,000BDT airlines can earn 4,34,24,000BDT including 300KG cargo each in each flight.

Then DAC-KUL-DAC four flight/week
Considering average return fare 25,000BDT airlines can earn 5,00,00,000BDT including 300kg cargo in each flight.

DAC-DEL-DAC three flight/week (they can do an code share to Air India/South African Airways to bring some capetown and LHR pax)
Considering return fare 25,000 airlines can earn 3,36,00,000BDt + 24,00,000BDtcargo

Then average use per week should be 11.1BH/day. This is not impossible for a 10 years old good 737-800. By deduction of all the cost 4H could earn 10-12million BDT from each 737-800 or A320.

But In case of 18years old MD-83
Only few flights is possible with it. And also on time performance is quit difficult with MD-83. The price of lease MDs are three or four times lower than a 737NG or A320 but they burn 40-45%more fuel than a new 737NG/A320.

So collecting two 737-800 or A320 with existing one MD-83 is better than collecting additional two 17-18years old MD + two A310.

To me Two 737-800, one MD83(existing), three 9-10 years old ATR-72 is far better than 4h's existing plan.

Reliable

December 6th, 2011, 08:42 AM

Mr Galive,
You make the Airline business so easy..
Ever thought of starting one yourself?

Galive

December 6th, 2011, 08:57 AM

Mr Galive,
You make the Airline business so easy..
Ever thought of starting one yourself?

Sound like, you are kidding.

I know it is not easy in that way I described earlier post. Thing is that this is easy until you have no plenty of completion. In BKK, KUL the number of competitor is few but the market of these two routes are increasing. But if you say about ME and EU route you have to face huge competition.

BD NRBs in ME countries are a very good source of earning but in this market you have strong competitor. Before entering those market you have to be financially strong. But you may know that 4H again took a huge loan from foreign bank. This shows (in another view) the condition of it's fund and shows how wrong the plan was. They could generate fund of their own if they had good plan to lease. And for leasing an A310 you don't need loan. You need a regular cash flow.

Look at the Z5's condition. Three MDs, three 767, three Q300-100 seem not enough for revenue generation. So their plan and market realization was wrong. And they took additional risk again that they did several years ago when they lease one 747-300.

Reliable

December 6th, 2011, 12:22 PM

Mr Galive,
I was just kidding in my earlier post. But I appreciate your enthusiasm in Bangladesh aviation.
Bangladeshi private aviation sector relies on older aircraft (almost gets picked up before it heads off to scrap yard), I guess it is cheaper that way. They can still run a successful airline as it is being done by Allegiant Air in the US. I noticed all private airlines in Bangladesh is modeled based on what a full service airline would offer. Not a single operator took the concept from AirAsia/Ryanair etc. and run a LCC. After all Bangladeshi passengers are $$ savvy and will accept paying for all services if the ticket price is right.

Galive

December 6th, 2011, 02:44 PM

HereWeGo

December 6th, 2011, 09:46 PM

They got 120crore from share market so they have potential to bring something new for 4H. But they choose old ATR, MDs and A310. A310 is good but you have to choose the good one. The A310 of 4H is not in good condition. In addition, S2-ADK is better than this one. In case of MD, I wanna say that why they should do like that. Why not 10-11 years old 737NG or A320.

With 70% load factor of a 737-800(170seat) 4h could earn at least 12 million BDT/month(after paying lease money).

Look-
DAC-CCU-DAC 6 flight/week
considering return fare 9,000BDT any airlines can earn 25432000BDT
(9000BDT X 112 average pax= 10,08,000BDT/day X6= 6048000BDT/week X4= 2,41,92,000BDT/month + cargo 12,40,000BDT/month)

After CCU flight they can go for BKK as CCU pax can catch flight to BKK and bring some cargo as well.

DAC-CGP-BKK-CGP-DAC four flight/week
Considering return fare 22,000BDT airlines can earn 4,34,24,000BDT including 300KG cargo each in each flight.

Then DAC-KUL-DAC four flight/week
Considering average return fare 25,000BDT airlines can earn 5,00,00,000BDT including 300kg cargo in each flight.

DAC-DEL-DAC three flight/week (they can do an code share to Air India/South African Airways to bring some capetown and LHR pax)
Considering return fare 25,000 airlines can earn 3,36,00,000BDt + 24,00,000BDtcargo

Then average use per week should be 11.1BH/day. This is not impossible for a 10 years old good 737-800. By deduction of all the cost 4H could earn 10-12million BDT from each 737-800 or A320.

But In case of 18years old MD-83
Only few flights is possible with it. And also on time performance is quit difficult with MD-83. The price of lease MDs are three or four times lower than a 737NG or A320 but they burn 40-45%more fuel than a new 737NG/A320.

So collecting two 737-800 or A320 with existing one MD-83 is better than collecting additional two 17-18years old MD + two A310.

To me Two 737-800, one MD83(existing), three 9-10 years old ATR-72 is far better than 4h's existing plan.

Nice!! And I am NOT being sarcastic!!
So are u an aviation enthusiast or you work for aviation industry?

fazeUK

December 6th, 2011, 10:24 PM

TIslam

December 7th, 2011, 12:30 AM

.....

The thought that is just sitting around the tarmac fills me with such rage....

Wouldn't be the first [time] (just sitting on the tarmac)!

Galive

December 7th, 2011, 01:41 AM

Nice!! And I am NOT being sarcastic!!
So are u an aviation enthusiast or you work for aviation industry?

thanks a lot. I am an aviation enthusiast.

Galive

December 7th, 2011, 04:47 AM

Anyone know where the second Biman 777ER is being deployed? Have checked flight stats a few times; nothing there but then again its not always a 100% accurate/complete.

The thought that is just sitting around the tarmac fills me with such rage....

Biman authority first thought that they will use it in JED and LHR. By this way they can sell two of the DC-10 as A310s will replace some of the DC-10s route. Also they have one 747 for KSA.
but the load factor in the DAC-LHR-MAN-DAC and political drive to start JFK force them to delay in route finalization. This sounds horrible, isn't it ? But it is true. As JFK not possible until last quarter of 2012. So they have to think about other routes at the last moment.But here BG have no data to start route like SYD or Tokyo etc.

So $152million piece is still in tarmac.

Opu

December 7th, 2011, 05:30 AM

Zimmim Ahmed

December 7th, 2011, 09:55 AM

Hey does anyone know whats going on with Best Air?

planemannyc

December 7th, 2011, 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=Galive;86401248]Biman authority first thought that they will use it in JED and LHR.

Folks, I am back after long interval. Check the link. Dreamliner is coming to Bangladesh!:banana:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/

Very cool. Anyone get the chance to take some photos?

Galive

December 7th, 2011, 01:04 PM

[QUOTE=Galive;86401248]Biman authority first thought that they will use it in JED and LHR.

Folks, I am back after long interval. Check the link. Dreamliner is coming to Bangladesh!:banana:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/

we got a BG pilot in our place. But I don't know where he is ? Where is Karib bhai ?

^^ Opu and Wasim Bhai how are you two?

Manazir

December 7th, 2011, 01:52 PM

Dreamliner may break records on test flight to Bangladesh

SEATTLE -- Boeing is optimistic about its chances to break two international records during a 787 Dreamliner test flight this week.

The Dreamliner known as ZA 006 took off from Boeing Field Tuesday morning for a non-stop flight to Dhaka, Bangladesh, just over 10,000 nautical miles from Seattle.

The flight path will pass over New York City, past Cairo, Egypt, and onto Dhaka, where it will touch down nearly 21 hours later.

After what pilots say will be a brief "pit stop" to refuel, the Dreamliner will take off again to complete it's around-the-world test flight, returning to Boeing Field by Thursday.

During the test flight, Boeing hopes to break the 787's weight class records for unrefueled distance and speed around the Earth.

"This is not a difficult task for this airplane," said Mike Sinnett, Vice President and Project Engineer for the 787 program. "It's the most fuel efficient airplane in its class, almost 20 percent more fuel efficient than anything in its size."

The record is currently held by Airbus, set in 2002 when an A-330 flew just over 9,100 nautical miles without refueling.

Boeing calls this flight an "endurance run" to test the Dreamliner's capabilities and push all it's technologies to the limit.

"It's fun to let the airplane run out, like a thoroughbred horse that's been trapped up in the barn," said the man behind the 787's controls, Mike Carriker, Chief Project Pilot for New Airplane Product Development.

The test flight will also showcase the Dreamliner's abilities on international flights and demonstrate a real-world scenario to both airlines and passengers.

"From here to Dhaka is a lot better than from here to Spokane and back 500 times," said Carriker.

"Flying around the world with one stop really validates what we set out to do," said Sinnett.

Teams of technicians will go along on the flight to meticulously watch the 787's performance. Another Boeing team will meet the jet on the ground in Bangladesh. Each person had to be weighed along with their baggage prior to stepping on the plane.

"It's like a two-night camp out!" said Carriker, holding a backpack.

Following the test flight, ZA 006 will be an instruction tool for pilots in training. It will then be refurbished and resold to an airline.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Dreamliner-may-break-records-on-test-flight-to-Bangladesh-135123773.html

Supersonik

December 7th, 2011, 05:34 PM

^^

Its great that the 787 is heading for DAC, and setting endurance/performance records along the way. Is the destination as result of the big Boeing order or any other practical reasons I wonder. Also interesting to note previous distance record was by an A330.

Talking of sitting on the tarmac don't you wish the 787 would do that for few days more.

shuvon

December 7th, 2011, 06:58 PM

Opu

December 7th, 2011, 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=Opu;86401939]

we got a BG pilot in our place. But I don't know where he is ? Where is Karib bhai ?

^^ Opu and Wasim Bhai how are you two?

Galive bhai i am doing fine. Thank you.

iasif

December 7th, 2011, 09:06 PM

[QUOTE=Opu;86401939]

Very cool. Anyone get the chance to take some photos?

Go...eat! :)

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