I have already posted similar thread in the East European section:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=145879

New Kolizej
Ljubljana is going to get a new commercial complex that will include three towers of which one will have 25 storeys and will make it the new Ljubljana's tallest building. The construction of this complex is about to begin in 2005 and will cost ~150 MIO Euros.

The location of the new complex:
http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/22640NoviKolizej2.gif

This are the photos that I made at the exhibition showing all proposed designs, including the winner (click on any of the photos to get a bigger version):

The Winner
Neutelings Riedijk Architects - Netherlands:

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226401_Maketa_1-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226401_Maketa_1.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226401_Maketa_2-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226401_Maketa_2.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226401_Maketa_3-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226401_Maketa_3.JPG)

Other proposals
Foreign Office Architects - UK:

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226405_Maketa-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226405_Maketa.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226405_1-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226405_1.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226405_2-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226405_2.JPG)

David Chipperfield Architects - UK:

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_Maketa-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_Maketa.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_1-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_1.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_2-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_2.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_3-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226402_3.JPG)

Bolles-Wilson - Germany:

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_Maketa-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_Maketa.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_1-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_1.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_2-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_2.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_3-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226404_3.JPG)

Rafel Moneo - Spain:

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226403_Maketa-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226403_Maketa.JPG)

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226403_1-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226403_1.JPG)

Heikkinen - Komonen Architects - Finland:

http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226406_Maketa-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/226406_Maketa.JPG)

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Another approved project for Ljubljana (called "Potniski center Ljubljana"), of which construction is planned to start the next year as well (a few blocks away from the newly approved tallest one):

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL/images/klan-h60v15.jpg
http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL/images/klan-h300v15.jpg
http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL/images/klan-pogled_po_dunajski.jpg
http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL/images/volk-city_skyline.jpg
http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL/images/volk-vogal_dunajska_masarykova.jpg

This tallest greenish skyscraper might also temporarely claim the title of Ljubljana's tallest, if it gets built before the New Kolizej komplex.

Wow, thats a pretty good range in designs. What are the heights of the two approved towers? They would have to be around the 100m mark considering they both are around the 25 level height.

Nice scrapers for Ljubljana! :)

So the Potniški Center will go under construction next year? Finally! The area around the train station is horrible, looks like Chernobyl, almost. :tongue2: :tounge2:

Wow, thats a pretty good range in designs. What are the heights of the two approved towers? They would have to be around the 100m mark considering they both are around the 25 level height.

Nice scrapers for Ljubljana! :)

The tallest greenish looking skyscraper is ~80 (so was I told). The other one will be ~100. I don't know the exact heights though.

Good news for Ljubljana. I'm a huge fan of Neutelings Riedijk. Here (http://www.elcroquis.es/elcroquis/numeros/num94/elcroquis94_0.htm) and here (http://www.theartserver.be/theartserver/nlbe/04_detail_Q_id_E_d4982704916b43.asp) some other projects.

http://www.archined.nl/archined/uploads/pics/2127-kolizej-finalpicklein.jpg

Ljubljana will have a great mini skyline.

Thanks to this thread I have now drawn these 2 buildings for the Skyscraperpage diagram:

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/5089/Potniski_Center_Ljubljana.gif
Potniski Center, Ljubljana

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/3792/New_Kolizej_Ljubljana.gif
New Kolizej, Ljubljana

Great drawings, Nightsky. :nocrook: And thanx for finally adding some buildings to the Ljubljana diagram. I think it's the poorest one on skyscraperpage by far. Really! Someone should do some drawings of other buildings too, although I'm not sure where to find the heights.

Nice!
can somebody of you guys from Slovenia tell me what is the population of Ljubljana and Maribor?
Thanks!

Looks ok.

Ljubljana - close to ~400.000 and Maribor 115.000

LOL! 400,000?? Yeah, right. Think 250,000 ;)

You don't actually expect 25% of Slovenia lives in Ljubljana, do you? :P

As for Maribor, it's just over 100,000, so KM, you were close :)

The city of Ljubljana has about 230.000 - 250.000 inhabitants. The last thing we need is almost half of Slovenia living there. :banned: It's bad already, that other cities are left out as Ljubljana wants to become the centre of everything in Slovenia.
But other than that it's a beautiful and cool city.

Yeah, this country is very centralised, we desperately need that regional division. But we can't help not being so centralised, it's tough to have regions where only 100,000 people live.

Ljubljana city is ~260.000....Ljubljana urban area is ~490.000

These figures are more or less quite correct, will try to get the official data though.

Blaž, no offence, but I honestly doubt there are 500,000 people in the metro of Ljubljana. Unless you counted the whole of Gorenjska and Notranjska in that.

These are the official stats (http://www.ljubljana.si/mol/statistika/letopis2003.pdf, http://www.stat.si/doc/statinf/2004/si-150.pdf):

There were 264.269 citizens in Ljubljana in 2003.
There were 495.101 citizens in the urban Ljubljana area (whatever urban Ljubljana area means) in 2003.

Daily migration to Ljubljana is ~120.000 people (the right number can be found on http://www.stat.si/ website, but can't remember where exactly I read that).

@Edolen1: Yeah, 264.269 would probably be the right number here, as I have absolutely no clue what urban Ljubljana area includes.

I think I know. http://www.sigov.si/zrs/skte/karta7.jpg the pink area numbered '1' is most probably it. But it's still way too small to actually comprise 500,000 people. The only major towns in those municipalities comprised in the urban area besides Ljubljana are Domžale, Kamnik, Grosuplje, Litija, Vrhnika and Logatec. I'm not sure if they make up 250,000 people..

Ah...Never the less of the population of Ljubljana, I think it is a very nice city, and deserves more recignition! :)

Ljubljana, congratulations to new highrise ;)

The city of Ljubljana has about 230.000 - 250.000 inhabitants. The last thing we need is almost half of Slovenia living there. :banned: It's bad already, that other cities are left out as Ljubljana wants to become the centre of everything in Slovenia.
But other than that it's a beautiful and cool city.


Just to let u know exact numbers since I'm only Ljubljančan on tis forum. Pop. of Ljubljana is 267.000.

Gero, Blaž is from LJ too. ;)

Congrats Ljubljana! Is this going to be near to Argentinski Park? What is currently the tallest building in LJ, is it the black building with the digital clock? (sorry, don't know its name!)

The current tallest building is the WTCLJ at 71m.
http://www.najdi.si/redirect/index.jsp?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristal.si%2Freferences%2Fimages%2F7-1-x.jpg

And yes, this is in the area of Argentinski park (if I understood the text correctly).

Just to let u know exact numbers since I'm only Ljubljančan on tis forum. Pop. of Ljubljana is 267.000.

Well who'd know better than Ljubljančani.....

According to the 2002 Census LJ has 249,000 ppl. But anyways, it's in that area.

It's nice, but I prefer David Chipperfield's proposal (I like his modernist architecture)

finally found something on Ljubljana and hoping to ce some stuff and what they do here, argue how many ppl live there, tipical, lol
www.geohive.com

and on 25th page of Slovene statistical almanac population of Ljubljana is 270 000 –well just under by few hundreds.

But geohive has all data cose they collect it from same sources. Greater Ljubljana is 323 000.

Maribor is just over 100 000, and greater Maribor is 143 000.

3rd largest town in Slovenia is Celje with 62 000 inhabitnats (greater area) city is less than 50 000.

nice one on 2 new tall towers, cool,
do you know waht was the height of previous tallest bldg's in Ljublana befre the WTCLJ I think it was gorenje and ljubnljanska banka ?

not sure

Ljubljana skyscrapers' heights:

Approved:
Novi Kolizej - 96m (2006)
Potniski Center - 80m (???)

Completed:
WTC - 75m (1993)
SCT (Bavarski dvor - S1) - 71,22m (1981)
Neboticnik - 70,35m (1933)
TR3 (Former Iskra, TR3 and Ljubljanska banka nowadays) - 68,53m (1973)

EDIT: source - Delo newspaper :) (click for a larger version):
http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/22640IMG_2279-med.JPG (http://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/22640IMG_2279.JPG)

Wow!

thanx bziherl

Very good news bziherl, soon ll be time to write you e mail or pm since you re never on msn :(

any more news on Ljubljana, any developments as of late ?

Yeah, I was wondering too if there was further news on this tower and also the other one for Ljubljana.

Not for now.. at least I haven't heard of anything..

But Blaž gets the "Ljubljana" section with "Delo", I get "Iz naših krajev" (Primorska stuff basically).. :(

On a side note, the Neboticnik, when built (1933) was the tallest skyscraper in Europe! :D

I didn't know that! Do you have any picture of that old "Nebotičnik"?

http://architronic.saed.kent.edu/v4n2/pix/v4n2.02ka.jpg

The facade is hideous IMO, it seriously needs a paint job.

The winner is in my opinion O.K. and the second British proposal as well as the Spanish one are not that bad as well. Looking forward to hear the further news. :)

is it U/C?

Not really.. I'm not even sure if the City Council has given the green light yet.. If it ever will.. At least it sparked off some progress for a city-wide development plan.. right now the situation is chaotic at best..

Few other news ;)

Constructions of new Kolizej won't start for at least another year as our stupid Minister of Culture demanded that old Kolizej cannot be demolished although it looks like it will collapse any second now...
On the other thing, there seems like construction of PCL will start in 2006. There are some arguments about bus and train station, but nobody is against the 25 level 100 m tower together with two 16 level towers and one 12-story building.
PCL will combine few towers, a new bus station, a new train station, 4900 new underground parking lots... There will be a cinema, conference halls, hotels, malls, appartment buildings... Masarykova street is expected to become a boullevar (with fancy trees...) and there have been some discussions about a city railroad although there seems a bit to far for now.

German ECE or Dutch AM Development will construct the whole thing. It will take quite a long time to construct all of it. It is expected that railroad and bus stations together with the 100m tower will be built first.

Few pics:

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL_2/images_06931/dnevna_500.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL_2/images_06931/maketa_tloris2_500.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL_2/images_06931/maketa_tloris1_500.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL_2/images_06931/delo_500.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL_2/images_06931/aks240_15_500.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL_2/images_06931/metelkova_500.jpg

http://www.arhiforum.com/natecaji/lj_PCL_2/images_06931/trg_500.jpg

^^ Welcome Ljubljana City !

Keep us updated with all the projects in your capital.

Pozdrav :)

great stuff

The comission is very fond of Hungarian-Canadian TriGranit to build the PCL. They made the best offer and it looks like they will sign the contracts in the next week. It is now expected the 1st phase of the construction will start in 10 months.

There have been some discussions here what urban area of Ljubljana is.
Here's the scheme showing the urban area of Ljubljana with about 500,000 inhabitants:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6377/ljubljanaurban0gg.jpg

I will present some projects for the urban area in some other thread in few days or a week.

nice one,

I just found this photo showing how the new Kolizej would look in that place.

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200527/clanek/61-kul--urbanizem-gregor_cerar/img/kolizej-arhitekturna_simulacija_display.jpg

Have a nice day...

wow, very nice, are they going to go ahead with this project?

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200527/clanek/61-kul--urbanizem-gregor_cerar/img/kolizej-arhitekturna_simulacija_display.jpg

OMG, that building on the left looks exactly like a building in Sarajevo. The area as well, I thought it was Sarajevo at first... lol

Anyway, at first the new building looked a bit odd but now seeing it in its surrounding... looks good! Me likey.

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200527/clanek/61-kul--urbanizem-gregor_cerar/img/kolizej-arhitekturna_simulacija_display.jpg

OMG, that building on the left looks exactly like a building in Sarajevo. The area as well, I thought it was Sarajevo at first... lol

Anyway, at first the new building looked a bit odd but now seeing it in its surrounding... looks good! Me likey.



hello can you say me when does the projects, especialy the tower and the mainstation finish?


do they demolish the old ljublana main station for this like in rijeka, or do they combine?

Great projects for Ljubljana!!!

I just found this photo showing how the new Kolizej would look in that place.

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200527/clanek/61-kul--urbanizem-gregor_cerar/img/kolizej-arhitekturna_simulacija_display.jpg

Have a nice day...

WOW :eek: Thats really nice and would definately go well in that area. :yes:

Thanks for the pic Ljubljana City! :)

BTW, if ever you are up to it, you should create a thread for Ljubljana in this section. It would be great to see all the projects for your city in the one spot .....

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=371

@SpotlessMind: LOL :) The left building is Hotel Lev***** Intercontinental, the most luxurious hotel in Ljubljana...

About Kolizej... As I said before, our Minister of Culture cancelled the start of the contruction for at least another year as he says the old Kolizej is extremely important for cultural heritage... Most people believe that's stupid as it was an old unimportant Austrian hospital which is falling apart already. Most architects believe it will collapse itself soon if they don't do something... I still hope they're going to demolish it as there is really no point of having it if they can't protect it... That building is a disgrace for Ljubljana city center...

PCL: The construction will be proceeding in many phases as the project is enormous... As I said before, they will start building the tower and new train station at first together with the underpass between Bežigrad and old city center (they will combine it somehow with current underpass). Many building around train station will be demolished, but the old train station will stay as it is an important building.
It was expected to be started at start of 2006, but there have been some complications with the premises and choosing the investor... Mayor said the construction should now start in July 2006. It is not yet known when the mainstation will be finished.

@SinCity: Yeah, I am planning to make a thread for Ljubljana projects and current status soon. :)


Have a nice day!

:applause: :okay: Another nice addition to a beautiful city!

any news on this particular project?

thaxxxx..

^^ I'm not sure Mic, but I think its been put on hold pending an issue of heritage buildings nearby or on location.

Ljubljana City, can you update us on this project. :)

Sorry for a bit of delay...

Kolizej project is on hold because currenty Kolizej (which is hardly standing) is a heritage building and recently Ministry od Culture declared Kolizej as a heritage building of national importance...

http://www.dobrojutro.net/slike/novice/KOLIZEJ.jpg

That is why it looks really bad for this project. But maybe municipality will move now and listen to other Slovenian architects which proposed very interesting projects too. They would leave part of Kolizej and renovate it and build few other very nice buildings for a possible congress and cultural center. It is true they wouldn't build a tower, but the project looks very promissing too. It would be a smart idea for the sake of Hotel Lev***** which is just across the street.
I will try to find some photos of other proposals which were made by Slovenian architects. It is interesting that they weren't allowed to participate in a competition for new Kolizej.

nice :)

I just found this photo showing how the new Kolizej would look in that place.

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200527/clanek/61-kul--urbanizem-gregor_cerar/img/kolizej-arhitekturna_simulacija_display.jpg

Have a nice day...

Wow no offense but that looks like bunch of crap stocked on top of each other....I hope they choose a more modern looking design, that looks like its made out of wood...

Well, don't forget this is a photoshop of a model of the Kolizej put on the photo ;)

OMG, that building on the left looks exactly like a building in Sarajevo. The area as well, I thought it was Sarajevo at first... lol

Yeap they look the same

http://arhitektura.co.ba/slike/data/media/2/pio1.jpg

quite similiar, yes :)

http://media.wwte.com/hotels/1000000/50000/46800/46773/46773_1_b.jpg

Sorry to bring this back up to the top, is this proposal still alive?

- any info?