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Vele
October 28th, 2004, 05:52 AM
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/slike/planovi/poluotok01.jpg

Upgrade of Poluotok.

SinCity
October 28th, 2004, 06:03 AM
Cool. I'm glad plenty of things are happening in our home town.

Any more info on the above. I kind of thought the old city was great as it was. Still, this is interesting stuff .....

Primorac
November 4th, 2004, 01:28 AM
http://www.duca.hr/stanovi_file/nacrti_r2_c3.jpg


another nice one on the poluotok.

mixed use development, offices and apartments.

good to see the old city being refurbished and modernised.

MIMICA
November 4th, 2004, 04:03 AM
Very nice jobs! :)

Milo Dukanovic
November 4th, 2004, 01:07 PM
When i was litlle boy i visited Zadar and stayed in island Preko..long time ago

Anybody has pic of that

Milo Dukanovic
November 4th, 2004, 01:09 PM
That was the time when Yugoslavia existed and not Serboslavia

SinCity
November 4th, 2004, 11:47 PM
When i was litlle boy i visited Zadar and stayed in island Preko..long time ago

Anybody has pic of that

Her you go, pics of Preko :)

http://www.ugljan-pasman.com/preko/images/preko.jpg
http://www.ugljan-pasman.com/preko/images/preko_plaza.jpg
http://www.ugljan-pasman.com/preko/images/preko2.jpg

Primorac
November 5th, 2004, 02:23 AM
Šetnica Š.K. Benje - I faza

http://www.duca.hr/file/slika1faza01.jpg

http://www.duca.hr/file/slika1faza02.jpg

http://www.duca.hr/file/slika1faza03.jpg


Šetnica Š.K. Benje- II faza i forum

http://www.duca.hr/file/slika2faza01.jpg



Trg pet bunara

http://www.duca.hr/file/slikaPetBunara01.jpg

Fontana i mul

http://www.duca.hr/file/slikaFontana01.jpg


Kneževa Palača

http://www.duca.hr/file/KnezevaPalaca_r2_c3.jpg


Kapela Sv. Dimitrija

http://www.duca.hr/file/slikaDimitrij01.jpg


Župna crkva Sv.Nikole-Kistanje

http://www.duca.hr/file/Kistanje01_r2_c3.jpg

SinCity
November 5th, 2004, 02:34 AM
This was that building I enquired about. It was a WW2 ruin and finally its been restored to its full glory .....

http://www.duca.hr/file/slikaDimitrij01.jpg

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo/zadar/normal/N_KOMAZEC_ZADAR_12.jpg

Primorac
November 5th, 2004, 02:44 AM
yes i realised this, when i found the photo..

sorry my mistake.

Dalmo
November 16th, 2004, 04:39 AM
Are you guys aware of the new Arena planned for Zadar?

Dalmo
November 25th, 2004, 03:44 AM
Are you guys aware of the new Arena planned for Zadar?

Anyway, here are some of the images of the new Arena for Zadar that I managed to find ....

http://www.designcentercroatia.org/fotke/aub4s1i4.jpg
http://www.designcentercroatia.org/fotke/aub4s1i1.jpg
http://thm-b.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/647639255
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/images/kapitalni/dvorana1m.jpg

long foot
November 25th, 2004, 11:44 AM
Is it going to be basketball Arena? How many seats it will have?
I am curious because of Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian competition for hosting Basketball WC in 1010. We must have at least one arena with 15000 seats to get one semifinals. Neither one of Zagreb arenas has 15000 seats :ohno:

Dalmo
November 26th, 2004, 04:35 AM
Is it going to be basketball Arena? How many seats it will have?
I am curious because of Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian competition for hosting Basketball WC in 1010. We must have at least one arena with 15000 seats to get one semifinals. Neither one of Zagreb arenas has 15000 seats :ohno:

I think it will meet the criteria of size but I dont think Zadar is part of the plan for the joint X-Yu hosting of the cup.

I think Zadar is building this because they love basketball in the city like crazy because they are strong in the Goodyear League.

Zagreb I think is upgrading its stadium to make it bigger. :)

Walter Wolf
November 27th, 2004, 12:02 AM
http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/Image1.jpg

The First Phase of this project was completed in June 2002.

The Next Phases are on there way.

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/CIMG0532.jpg

Arhitect is Nikola Bašić.

Walter Wolf
November 27th, 2004, 12:27 AM
http://www.kartografija.hr/kartzadra/Slike/Karte/LIST4.JPG

Redevelopment of the Poluotok "Zapadnog Dijela"

Walter Wolf
November 27th, 2004, 12:43 AM
Update on Poluotok Marina Projekt (http://www.casopis-gradjevinar.hr/dokumenti/200402/6.pdf)

Take note of the Gazenica Port Redevelopment and what has been planned.

Only in the Initation and Conception Phase at the moment.

AstroBoy
November 27th, 2004, 11:30 AM
http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/Image1.jpg

The First Phase of this project was completed in June 2002.

The Next Phases are on there way.

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/CIMG0532.jpg

Arhitect is Nikola Bašić.

Fricking WOW! :eek2:

This centre is huge and actually was under construction well before 2002. I remember seeing it uncomplete in 1994 because of the war the construction stopped but this is something that Zadar waited ages to resume.

Plenty happening here and the new motorway has helped speed up developments.

Does anyone have information of the urban renewal of 2 sections of Zadar's waterfront?

Walter Wolf
December 16th, 2004, 03:27 AM
Zadar will be getting a Cinema Complex next year.

Vecernji List - Zadar kinomultipleks (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/dalmatia/171049/index.do)

Dalmo
December 16th, 2004, 03:38 AM
That great news for Zadar. Where are they building it exactly?

Kommandant Mark
February 15th, 2005, 05:34 AM
February 2005 photo - new Zadar Arena now U/C

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/CrazySerb/zadar1.jpg


Capacity, between ~8-10k.

SinCity
February 15th, 2005, 06:09 AM
Not bad KM. I was going to get around to updating this project but I was hanging in there for a pic. Looks like you beat me to it. Thanks for that! :)

BTW - Where did you score the pic from? I see you saved it to your own collection. ;)

long foot
February 15th, 2005, 11:34 AM
Thanks God they finaly started!

Renderings, of new arena, one more time:
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/images/kapitalni/dvorana1.jpg
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/images/kapitalni/bazen1.jpg

Kommandant Mark
February 18th, 2005, 01:14 AM
Sorry for late reply, this thread fell under my radar.
I got the photo from the GoodYear league website(that basket league involving teams from SLO, CRO, BIH and SCG)

Picture itself is from City of Zadar forum:
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=1

Check thread "Fotografije sa ŠRC "Višnjik""

SinCity
February 18th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Thanks KM. I havent been to the Zadar forum in ages.

long foot
February 18th, 2005, 08:27 AM
Few more pics:
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=2833
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=2835
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=2837
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=3428
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=3898

mic of Orion
February 28th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Thanks God they finaly started!

Renderings, of new arena, one more time:
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/images/kapitalni/dvorana1.jpg
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/images/kapitalni/bazen1.jpg

wow this looks way cool, swimming pool too,

SinCity
March 10th, 2005, 03:11 AM
wow this looks way cool, swimming pool too,

The swimming complex is scheduled to be open this November. :)

Indoor section of swimming complex under construction ....
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050309/dal-gradnja-txt.jpg

News in Croatian ....
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/dalmatia/234796/index.do

mic of Orion
March 10th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Is Zadar hosting Olympic games or something (lol) cose it looks way cool, I think it is impressive what they doing over there in Zadar I was there once for few days (have friend in Zadar).

It is way cool complex, it would be great place for future Croatian athletes to train there, I think 2008 Olympic would definitely be good for Croatia as a result of this project.

SinCity
March 11th, 2005, 12:26 AM
Is Zadar hosting Olympic games or something (lol) cose it looks way cool, I think it is impressive what they doing over there in Zadar I was there once for few days (have friend in Zadar).

It is way cool complex, it would be great place for future Croatian athletes to train there, I think 2008 Olympic would definitely be good for Croatia as a result of this project.

They are crazy about Basketball so the arena will serve their popular team and the swimming complex is something that had to happen anyway because I'm not too sure if the city had this kind of thing in the first place. It will all get good usage.

mic of Orion
March 11th, 2005, 12:29 PM
They are crazy about Basketball so the arena will serve their popular team and the swimming complex is something that had to happen anyway because I'm not too sure if the city had this kind of thing in the first place. It will all get good usage.

I am sure, and city does deserve it, hope they organise some sort of international competitions over there. :)

Endimion17
April 1st, 2005, 07:08 PM
I posted this at WAC, too. It's an article I translated into English.

SEA ORGAN MOUNTED IN ZADAR
Friday, March 11th, 2005.

The mounting if the first sea organ in the world was finished today.
It's a system of 35 poliethylene tubes of different length and inclination embedded into Zadar riva.
Sea organ has been developed according to Nikola Bašić's project, and were made and set by craftsman Goran Ježina from island of Murter under expert supervision of organ workshop "Heferer" from Zagreb.
The tubes that produce sound due to the influence of sea waves and wind are being tuned at the moment. According to developer Bašić the tubes are producing 35 different tones categorized into seven sections. It's the first natural organ in the world, he says.
First sounds of sea organ made Zadar citizens curious,
that are seen visiting the construction site at Istarska obala, listening to the sound.
Works have been conducted together with renovation of Istarska obala in Zadar for cruiser docking.
It is estimeted that the whole renovation project will be completed by the end of March, and the sea organ will be a special attraction.

There is actually something similar in San Francisco, but it's not an organ because it is not tuned into achords, and you can hear noise only. Sydney has something powered by wind, but I don't know whether it's organ.
I'll post pictures soon. It is absolutely stunning. It is situated at the point of Zadar peninsula. There are 7 white stone steps that are merging into 1, divided in seven sections. Each section is 10m long, so the instrument has a total of 70m. There are 35 tubes (hidden under the steps) in those 7 sections. First, they were made of poliethylene (which experienced damage in short time) and now they're made of prochrome. Every top step has 5 resonant holes and 5 sections of 8 ribbed cavities. The tones are real mathematical tones, and the sea waves produce a different articulate melody every time, yet not chaotical. The sound can be heard in 100m radius and it is very pleasing. The project was very expensive - 7,000,000 kn (1,250,000$). I really have no idea why.
Soon, a monument to the Sun will be constructed. I believe the stone steps will be covered with shielded solar panels that will transform solar energy into electricity used to charge powerful batteries beneath. Then, during the night, the powerfull spot-lights will emit light beams vertically towards the sky (similar to WTC light tribute) to mark city's existence. Zadar is the oldest city on Adriatic shore, more than 3000 years old.
I have nothing else to say than to invite you to Zadar to experience this genious instrument. It is really, really cool. And patented.

BosRoker
April 1st, 2005, 07:36 PM
The plan for the new arena in Zadar looks amazing. One of the nicest basketball areans I've ever seen anywhere.

agramer
April 1st, 2005, 08:15 PM
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=4474

The state of works on Zadar arena, march 2005. Can't wait to see it built... :)

AstroBoy
April 2nd, 2005, 02:05 AM
I posted this at WAC, too. It's an article I translated into English.

SEA ORGAN MOUNTED IN ZADAR
Friday, March 11th, 2005.

The mounting if the first sea organ in the world was finished today.
It's a system of 35 poliethylene tubes of different length and inclination embedded into Zadar riva.
Sea organ has been developed according to Nikola Bašić's project, and were made and set by craftsman Goran Ježina from island of Murter under expert supervision of organ workshop "Heferer" from Zagreb.
The tubes that produce sound due to the influence of sea waves and wind are being tuned at the moment. According to developer Bašić the tubes are producing 35 different tones categorized into seven sections. It's the first natural organ in the world, he says.
First sounds of sea organ made Zadar citizens curious,
that are seen visiting the construction site at Istarska obala, listening to the sound.
Works have been conducted together with renovation of Istarska obala in Zadar for cruiser docking.
It is estimeted that the whole renovation project will be completed by the end of March, and the sea organ will be a special attraction.

There is actually something similar in San Francisco, but it's not an organ because it is not tuned into achords, and you can hear noise only. Sydney has something powered by wind, but I don't know whether it's organ.
I'll post pictures soon. It is absolutely stunning. It is situated at the point of Zadar peninsula. There are 7 white stone steps that are merging into 1, divided in seven sections. Each section is 10m long, so the instrument has a total of 70m. There are 35 tubes (hidden under the steps) in those 7 sections. First, they were made of poliethylene (which experienced damage in short time) and now they're made of prochrome. Every top step has 5 resonant holes and 5 sections of 8 ribbed cavities. The tones are real mathematical tones, and the sea waves produce a different articulate melody every time, yet not chaotical. The sound can be heard in 100m radius and it is very pleasing. The project was very expensive - 7,000,000 kn (1,250,000$). I really have no idea why.
Soon, a monument to the Sun will be constructed. I believe the stone steps will be covered with shielded solar panels that will transform solar energy into electricity used to charge powerful batteries beneath. Then, during the night, the powerfull spot-lights will emit light beams vertically towards the sky (similar to WTC light tribute) to mark city's existence. Zadar is the oldest city on Adriatic shore, more than 3000 years old.
I have nothing else to say than to invite you to Zadar to experience this genious instrument. It is really, really cool. And patented.

This is really cool. Any pics of it Endimion17?

AstroBoy
April 2nd, 2005, 02:06 AM
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=4474

The state of works on Zadar arena, march 2005. Can't wait to see it built... :)

Great update. Cant wait either to see it finished.

bubach_hlubach
April 2nd, 2005, 04:12 AM
Zadar is doing really really well, last year became one of the most perspective areas in the country! :cheers:

One winter photo of the city :
http://img154.exs.cx/img154/2313/zima20u20zadru6xs.jpg
:)

AstroBoy
April 2nd, 2005, 09:48 AM
Beautiful pic of Zadar and the snow capped Velebit Mountains behind it.

Endimion17
April 2nd, 2005, 08:12 PM
I'll see what I can do. I don't have enough time now, as I'm chained to the TV, monitoring the situation around Pope.

AstroBoy
April 3rd, 2005, 12:41 AM
I'll see what I can do. I don't have enough time now, as I'm chained to the TV, monitoring the situation around Pope.

Me too. Its sad but the Holy Father has now passed away. :(

Endimion17
April 3rd, 2005, 01:53 AM
At the begining of his pontificate, he said: “Non abbiate paura di spalancare le porte a Cristo, non abbiate paura”

He was truly one of the greatest living persons that ever lived on Earth, and maybe the only one (next to Jesus). The single vertical pillar of moral.
He did some great things, like "mea culpa", destruction of East Europe communism, world peace, entering a mosque, synagogue, and many other.
May God embrace his soul for eternity.

SinCity
April 7th, 2005, 05:29 AM
Mercator Launches Fifth Croatia Mall

2005-04-01 11:22:56

Slovenia's largest grocer, Mercator, has opened its fifth shopping centre in Croatia as it continues its push to capture ten percent of the country's grocery market.

The EUR 25m centre in the town of Zadar, in northern Dalmatia, is the latest addition to an ever-growing chain of Mercator shopping centres in Croatia.

Apart from the five already completed, works are set to begin on at least five new locations in the near future, Mercator chairman Zoran Jankovic told the press as he opened the new centre.

Mercator is set to build its next mall in the northern Croatian port town of Rijeka, he revealed.

Jankovic added that he was not scared of the fierce competition on the Croatian market and rejected claims that Mercator was the most expensive of all the big chains operating in the country.

The centre in Zadar stretches across an area of 12,500 sq. metres, a quarter of which is taken up by Mercator's shop, while other stores, including sporting goods chain Intersport, occupy the rest of the space.

More than half of the goods sold in Mercator's shop will be local, while 15 percent will come from Slovenia, Jankovic said.

Meanwhile, the head of Mercator operations in Croatia Stanislav Brodnjak said the company has opted to build two roads in Zadar in return for an exemption to municipal tax. The roads will cost more than the municipal tax, he added.

The new centre will create 230 new jobs, including 130 in Mercator's shop. This will raise the total number of workers employed by Mercator Croatia to 1,640.

Slovenia's largest grocer first entered the Croatian market in 2000. Since then it has opened 84 outlets around the country.

Source: Slovene Press Agency STA

AstroBoy
April 7th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Does anyone have information or updates on the TIZ redevelopment in Zadar? Its under construction and 2 of the apartment buildings are supposed to be finished this summer, which btw have already sold out. This is phase one.

The multi-level office tower is scheduled to start this spring and finish mid 2006.

long foot
April 7th, 2005, 03:20 PM
you mean this one?
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/tiz/tiz3d_500.jpg

This is official site of investor:
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/prodaja/tiz.html

AstroBoy
April 7th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Yep, thats the one. :)

mic of Orion
April 7th, 2005, 04:09 PM
you mean this one?
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/tiz/tiz3d_500.jpg

This is official site of investor:
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/prodaja/tiz.html

looks impressive, I like a lot. especially the tower in middle of all of it, how many floors anyone knows , looks like a sail... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

AstroBoy
April 7th, 2005, 04:30 PM
I think its 15 or 16 levels.

SinCity
April 8th, 2005, 02:56 AM
Zadar (Not to be confused with Croatia's capital Zagreb) is a seaside port city located in Northern Dalmatia) and services a population of close to 100,000 citizens.

As a result of the new Zagreb-Split motorway which opened this year, travel time between Zagreb & Zadar is no more than a couple of hours. The city of Split is even closer.

Zadar is a historic city since Roman times and contains many Roman Era relics and also many early Medieval Croatian buildings.

Surrounding the city is a number of popular resort towns, islands and numerous holiday retreats owned by the "Northeners" or "Purgers" as those people living in Zagreb are refered to.

Two major projects are the redevelopment of former industrial sites and there are many more.

Below is the master plan of the redevelopment of "TIZ" of the former complex of the "Textile Industy of Zadar" which occupies one of the most attractive locations right in the city centre. The redevelopment involves the contruction of a variety of buildings including .....

15 level office tower with underground car parks
2 x 7 level residential buildings
1 x 6 level residential building
Reconstruction of the former "TIZ" office building
2 x smaller commercial buildings
Retail podium levels
Link to Master Plan released late 2003 (Click on image to increase)
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=110&pid=497

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=110&pid=497

The second major urban renewal project released today is the complete reconstruction of 2 sections of waterfront to the eastern and western flanks of the city.

This creates 2 new waterfront area which include the following

new promenades
new beaches
swimming pools
sculptures
bicycle tracks
playgrounds, etc

The projects also involves the creation of new residential complexes and 2 new hotels on the site of the "INA" and "Maraska" warehouse complexes ...

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/041006/dal-barceloneta-txt.jpg

Article in Croatian .....

PROSTORNI PLAN Arhitekt Nikola Bašić predstavio studiju uvala Maestral i Dražanica
Zadar dobiva svoju Barcelonetu
Autor Goran ŠIMUNOV

ZADAR - Na sjednici zadarskoga Gradskog poglavarstva poznati arhitekt Nikola Bašić predstavio je prostorno-programsku studiju dviju gradskih uvala - Maestrala i Dražanice koje su uz gradsku rivu, prema njegovim riječima, najatraktivniji zadarski priobalni prostor i potencijalna zadarska Barceloneta.
- Ta studija nije obvezujući dokument, nego je samo pogled na zadarske potencijale, povezivanje privatnog i javnog interesa kako bi se razvio i unaprijedio Zadar, posebice njegova turistička ponuda i urbani javni standard - kazao je Bašić. U studiji je planirano da se ispred obiju uvala sagrade valobrani na platformama unutar kojih će biti šetnica, a s vanjske bi strane trebala biti plaža. Valobrani bi betonskom zavjesom zaštitili sadržaje od udara jugozapadnih i zapadnih vjetrova. U uvalama bila bi privezišta - plutajući pontoni za privez brodova, a na obali bili bi biciklistička staza i jednosmjerni kolnik. Od zanimljivih sadržaja tu su podvodni akvarij na rtu između uvala, kompleks malih bazena, kupališta i igrališta na mjestu Marexa, a arhitekt je planirao i barkarijolsku stazu između Puntamike i Đige, gradskog lukobrana.

Na mjestu Inina skladišta sagradio bi se hotel, u susjedstvu bi bilo malo stambeno naselje, na mjestu tvornice Maraska još jedan hotel, u zaleđu depadanse, rezidencijalni stanovi i trgovački kompleks, a ispred njih na obali umjetni otočić s bazenčićem. Na sjednici je Gradskog poglavarstva gradskoj komunalnoj tvrtki Obale i lučice odobrena uporaba tzv. lisica za blokiranje nepropisno parkiranih vozila.

SinCity
April 8th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Some recently completed projects in Zadar (Only small images) ....

http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/reference/Croatia.jpg
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/thumb/blokaa4.jpg
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/blok9/blok9_1_150.jpg
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/reference/SPOSmiljevac.jpg
http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/reference/blok30.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zadar1/01prilozi/05euroherc/P1010001.jpghttp://www.arhitektura.info/~zadar1/01prilozi/05euroherc/P1010021.jpg

SinCity
April 8th, 2005, 02:58 AM
I think its 15 or 16 levels.

15 levels to be exact ....

Here are some images and info on the "TIZ Redevelopment" which is now under way in Zadar. The full project should be complete by 2008, the 15 level tower will complete by mid 2006.

http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/tiz/tiz3d_500.jpg

http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/tiz/Tiz_nacrt_7.gif

http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/plan%20grada/Tit_lokacija.jpg

Walter Wolf
April 12th, 2005, 02:28 PM
TIZ
in full construction
other stages may be delayed pending sales of first 3 stages

SinCity
April 13th, 2005, 04:52 AM
TIZ
in full construction
other stages may be delayed pending sales of first 3 stages

Is the office tower part of these 3 stages? I heard its Stage 3 ......

Pavle
April 24th, 2005, 05:35 PM
Wow...very surprised, I didn't know Zadar is so fast growing city! Seems that Split have kind of rival ;)

Cheers,
-Pavle

MIMICA
April 25th, 2005, 10:37 AM
TIZ
in full construction
other stages may be delayed pending sales of first 3 stages


Walter Wolf, we haven't seen you in a long time! :D You should visit us all more often. :yes:

SinCity
May 19th, 2005, 06:06 AM
Link to a recent article on the rebuilding of the Maslenica Bridge which was destroyed by Serbian forces in late 1991. This important bridge to the north of Zadar is being rebuilt to original plan with the introduction of more recent construction methods. The original bridge built in 1961 was a single span steel bridge. It is expected to be completed this year. :)

There are some pics in the article .....

http://www.casopis-gradjevinar.hr/dokumenti/200412/5.pdf

SinCity
May 19th, 2005, 08:53 AM
Zadar Pool Complex update ...

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=4475

long foot
May 19th, 2005, 09:15 AM
^^^Oh, it is growing… Tnx for pic :)

long foot
May 19th, 2005, 09:18 AM
Link to a recent article on the rebuilding of the Maslenica Bridge which was destroyed by Serbian forces in late 1991. This important bridge to the north of Zadar is being rebuilt to original plan with the introduction of more recent construction methods. The original bridge built in 1961 was a single span steel bridge. It is expected to be completed this year. :)

There are some pics in the article .....

http://www.casopis-gradjevinar.hr/dokumenti/200412/5.pdf

I can't open that PDF. :bash:
And one interesting fact - the bridge was destroyed by Croatian army in late 1991. They did it because it was the only way to stop Serbian ocupation of Zadar.

AstroBoy
May 19th, 2005, 02:36 PM
I can't open that PDF. :bash:
And one interesting fact - the bridge was destroyed by Croatian army in late 1991. They did it because it was the only way to stop Serbian ocupation of Zadar.

I heard that too, but I've also heard that the Serbs did it as well. Too much confusion. Still it was a stupid war that should never have happened. All that money that has to go back into replacing lost infrastructure etc.

mic of Orion
May 19th, 2005, 03:40 PM
I heard that too, but I've also heard that the Serbs did it as well. Too much confusion. Still it was a stupid war that should never have happened. All that money that has to go back into replacing lost infrastructure etc.


Actually Serb did it first, they shelled it so often the bridge was still standing, it was n o longer safe for use and was needed to go down, Croatian Army did the final job so it can construct pontoon bridge connecting two parts of Maslenica gorge. It was best solution.

In 1993 when Croatian Army lunched attack on Serb forces near Maslenica they took all villages along the gorge on bosth side of the bridge al the way to Oborovac (small fishing village) and this secured immediate construction of pontoon bridge which stood there for 6 years. Just to say, when pontoon bridge was constructed, Serbs shelled it on few occasion pissing off Croatian army which retaliated and in August 4th, invaded Serb occupied area and liberated rest of Croatia with in 5 days.

This is ancient history now. I think new bridge was constructed (motorway linking Zadar with Karlovac) and it is far larger than Maslenica would ever be, I am just wondering what's the use of Maslenica if there is already a lot larger bridge? I assume they doing it for historical reasons? Perhaps I am mistaken and they are doing it for genuine traffic needs... :)

Endimion17
May 20th, 2005, 01:03 AM
Yes, Croatian army destroyed it to prevent Serbian troops (plus chetnicks) from eliminating Zadar. If they haven't done that, there would be another "Vukovar".
My father was in the army and he told me that. I stayed the whole war in the basement (imagine lung consequences), grenades were destroying the above city, and when Škarbrnja was eliminated, massive bus/ferry evacuation was organized, so I escaped with my mother, sister, grandpa and grandma to Rijeka->Pula->Medulin, and dad stayed protecting the city, barely managed to stay alive (not one of his friends ever totally recovered from psychological wounds).
I remember the mass panic in the basement (we were hiding there with half of the street) when we heard of Škabrnja. I don't wish those feelings to anyone. :(

SinCity
May 20th, 2005, 02:02 AM
Yes, Croatian army destroyed it to prevent Serbian troops (plus chetnicks) from eliminating Zadar. If they haven't done that, there would be another "Vukovar".
My father was in the army and he told me that. I stayed the whole war in the basement (imagine lung consequences), grenades were destroying the above city, and when Škarbrnja was eliminated, massive bus/ferry evacuation was organized, so I escaped with my mother, sister, grandpa and grandma to Rijeka->Pula->Medulin, and dad stayed protecting the city, barely managed to stay alive (not one of his friends ever totally recovered from psychological wounds).
I remember the mass panic in the basement (we were hiding there with half of the street) when we heard of Škabrnja. I don't wish those feelings to anyone. :(

Had Zadar fallen to the Serbs then the whole scenario would have been different. It may have caused the capitulation of Dalmatia and placed considerable pressure on the rest of Croatia.

The interesting thing was that the Serbs almost had Zadar on a number of occasions. Firstly, the city was almost abandoned but the Serbs were frightened to enter Zadar from the northern suburbs because of the highrise apartments. They thought the Croats were inside waiting for them.

Secondly there was that tank column that came in from the north east to which the Croats ambushed preventing them from taking the city. I dont know if its there still, but I have a pic still of the burnt out tank that stopped a line of them from entering the suburbs.

It was a terrible scenario for everyone especially for those that defended the city like many of my relatives too. My uncle was one that died defending Zadar.

In the end when the Serbs couldnt take the city they made everyone pay by constant bombardment to which many people lost their lives. Even when the ceasefire was over they kept bombing Zadar until the "Maslenica" action forced them away from the city fringe and further.

I'm glad all the war damage has been repaired now.

Mick - The new Maslenica Bridge forms part of the local road network to the north of Zadar. Its independant of the larger motorway bridge which is nearby.

SinCity
May 20th, 2005, 07:23 AM
I can't open that PDF. :bash:
And one interesting fact - the bridge was destroyed by Croatian army in late 1991. They did it because it was the only way to stop Serbian ocupation of Zadar.

The link to the PDF document is working OK for me. :yes:

long foot
May 20th, 2005, 09:27 AM
Yes, Croatian army destroyed it to prevent Serbian troops (plus chetnicks) from eliminating Zadar. If they haven't done that, there would be another "Vukovar".
My father was in the army and he told me that. I stayed the whole war in the basement (imagine lung consequences), grenades were destroying the above city, and when Škarbrnja was eliminated, massive bus/ferry evacuation was organized, so I escaped with my mother, sister, grandpa and grandma to Rijeka->Pula->Medulin, and dad stayed protecting the city, barely managed to stay alive (not one of his friends ever totally recovered from psychological wounds).
I remember the mass panic in the basement (we were hiding there with half of the street) when we heard of Škabrnja. I don't wish those feelings to anyone. :(

It is very sad story Endimion :( And the saddest is that almost all ex-soldiers have PTSP now. Did you all know that 1350 ex-soldiers in Croatia commited suicides after the end of war? :(

My brother was in HV in 1992 and 1993, he fought in Dubrovnik, my father was in HVO in central Bosnia. They both survived war without any phisical wound but they are totaly crazy now... It is impossible to live with them! I listened their war stories half of my life and I heard horrible things, better not to speak about that. I wish all that crap never have happened, but there is nothing we can do about that, we have to live with that. :(

Endimion17
May 22nd, 2005, 02:08 AM
Well, you can still find structural damage caused by endless bombings...
I'll take a photo of one skyscraper in the center, there's still a grenade crater... And lots of houses in the suburbs are still destroyed, mainly becuase it was cheaper for residents to enter new appartments than to tear down the wreck and build a new house...

long foot, I understand the brother-father situation. Don't worry, it's not PTSP. My father is also grumpy because of the war. Sometimes I just can't stand him.

SinCity mentioned constant bombings... I remember those days. The closest point I experienced a grenade was 15m. I was in the house, sister was watching Santa Barbara :) and I was staring out of the window, when a rather huge grenade plowed into the wall of my neighbour.
First, there's this funny hissing sound, and then this enormous flash together with the loudest freaking noise I've ever heard!
I remember the flash, the whole neigbourhood (city center) became pure white colour, and I dropped on the floor like a dead body, hurting my head and face.
I could hear the schrapnels (geleri) tearing the trees, and after 5 or more seconds, few cubic meters of rocks and dirt falling on the roof and yard. It was unforgetable.
My grandma and grandpa were right in the yard, planting some vegetables, when they heard the first grenade at the peninsula, so they quickly went to the house. 30 seconds of delay and they'd be dead.
Later we found out that there was one old lady 3 meters from the crater. She was alive, but in terrible shock. The grenade somehow managed to pass through a concrete wall, enter the dirt and explode halfway in, so we found schrapnels in a 30m radius. It must had been a huge grenade, becuase the crater was almost 2 meters deep and wide.

Hollywood could learn from actual wars. When they use special effects, they think that grenades and C-4 produce fire, so they use enormous ammounts of napalm, producing fire, not detonations. That is so lame. Real bombs are exploding in a terrible, flashy, destructive manner. No one can escape.
I was behind the window and my ears were defected for few hours.

It is scary how the serbian army used zadar highrises for targets. My friend and his mother were almost killed when they tried to escape from 13th floor on foot (no elevator power).

I too, sincerely hope that this shit will never ever happen again. But it is happening in Uzbekistan, right now. :(

SinCity
May 24th, 2005, 04:49 AM
The Maslenica bridge (1961) which once lay north of the city of Zadar and destroyed completely in the last war (1991) has now been completely rebuilt and will open this weekend for traffic :)

It was built to original design with the except of some more modern engineering methods.

Length: 315 metres
Height: 55 metres
Width: 10.5 metres
Weight: 1400 tonnes
Build: Single span steel bridge
Cost: 50 million HR Kunas

One interesting thing was that the Maslenica bridge was delayed by over 6 months, mainly by over 100 days of the infamous "Bura" winds which hound coastal Croatian with freezing winds that exceed speeds of over 200 km/h :eek2:

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050523/dal-most-txt.jpg

News in Croatian ....

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/dalmatia/294924/index.do

OettingerCroat
May 29th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Zadar is doing really really well, last year became one of the most perspective areas in the country! :cheers:

One winter photo of the city :
http://img154.exs.cx/img154/2313/zima20u20zadru6xs.jpg
:)

WOOOOOOW :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

that is such a spectacularly beautiful photograph, i nearly shat my pants!

good news for zadar! croatia must seriously be enjoying their newfound economic power. I wonder if Croatia had sent out a application to host the Olympics. Zadar could easily house it :)

agramer
June 1st, 2005, 12:46 PM
Zadar Arena update... Moving along nicely... :)

http://img28.echo.cx/img28/66/zadardvorana8gb.jpg

long foot
June 1st, 2005, 01:44 PM
And new pool growing next to Arena, image stolen from forum of grad-zadar.hr ;) :D

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=4948

SinCity
June 2nd, 2005, 03:25 AM
Thanks Agramer and Long Foot on the pic updates of these important projects for Zadar. This pics are very recent as I didn't come across them a couple of weeks ago will searching the same site. I cant wait to see the final product. :yes:

BosRoker
June 2nd, 2005, 03:34 AM
How many people will the new basketball arena hold?

SinCity
June 2nd, 2005, 04:16 AM
How many people will the new basketball arena hold?

I think its set at approx. 12,000 seats. Zadar is one basketball crazy city. :D

They'll love it when its finished ....

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/images/kapitalni/dvorana1m.jpg

bubach_hlubach
June 2nd, 2005, 05:07 AM
What is the structure (4-5 floors) on the right across the arena ?

http://img85.echo.cx/img85/2712/bazen14nq.jpg

bubach_hlubach
June 2nd, 2005, 05:19 AM
Anyway, I just checked out that forum at www.grad-zadar.hr
I am really impressed with their forum members and how seriously they approach all discussions related to the city of Zadar. A forum like that could be also found on many official and unofficial websites of cities, towns, villages and counties of Croatia :)

But there is one city that does not have an f of the word forum, the name of that city is......... Zagreb :bash: :bash: :bash:

:cheers:

SinCity
June 2nd, 2005, 05:53 AM
Anyway, I just checked out that forum at www.grad-zadar.hr
I am really impressed with their forum members and how seriously they approach all discussions related to the city of Zadar. A forum like that could be also found on many official and unofficial websites of cities, towns, villages and counties of Croatia :)

But there is one city that does not have an f of the word forum, the name of that city is......... Zagreb :bash: :bash: :bash:

:cheers:

The City of Zadar forum is rather a sensible one with great discussion on the planning of the city. Zagreb's site is terrible. No decent discussion and nothing on major public and private projects for the city. The Rijeka city website is also better than Zagreb's/ They list major projects anticpated for the city with images of the proposals. Zagreb's website is truely sad IMO :(

SinCity
June 2nd, 2005, 06:04 AM
BTW, the "wavey" styled building to the right is a new apartment complex from what I remember. Unless they have changed it to a hotel.

bubach_hlubach
June 2nd, 2005, 06:40 AM
BTW, the "wavey" styled building to the right is a new apartment complex from what I remember. Unless they have changed it to a hotel.

Some apartment building would look a little silly being positioned that close next to the arena, dont you think ? I hope you are right about changing it to a hotel :)

OettingerCroat
June 2nd, 2005, 06:48 AM
yah i'd hope its a hotel... it'd fit in a lot better than an apartment building in an olympic complex

long foot
June 2nd, 2005, 08:34 AM
Anyway, I just checked out that forum at www.grad-zadar.hr
I am really impressed with their forum members and how seriously they approach all discussions related to the city of Zadar. A forum like that could be also found on many official and unofficial websites of cities, towns, villages and counties of Croatia :)

But there is one city that does not have an f of the word forum, the name of that city is......... Zagreb :bash: :bash: :bash:

:cheers:

You can find many discutions about Zagreb here:

http://www.forum.hr/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=100

bubach_hlubach
June 2nd, 2005, 07:52 PM
You can find many discutions about Zagreb here:

http://www.forum.hr/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=100

I know that forum as well as index.hr and iskon.hr, they all have Zagreb sections in there, but with a low quality of debates as it is obvious that mostly teenagers participate in those forums. I just love seeing names of threads like this one : 'Which part of Zagreb kicks ass?', 'Why was Hladno Pivo delayed?', 'When did you go to Sljeme last time?' and tons of other stupid questions!

What i am saying is that Zagreb does not have a decent forum where urban planing could be discussed in a profesional and serious manner, where people post pics of projects etc etc etc.
I think that such forums should be added to the official website of Zagreb, it would not cost them absolutely anything!
:cheers:

long foot
June 2nd, 2005, 08:11 PM
What i am saying is that Zagreb does not have a decent forum where urban planing could be discussed in a profesional and serious manner, where people post pics of projects etc etc etc.


You mean like us here? ;)

bubach_hlubach
June 2nd, 2005, 08:11 PM
You mean like us here? ;)

EXACTLY! :D lol

:cheers:

mic of Orion
June 2nd, 2005, 10:39 PM
The City of Zadar forum is rather a sensible one with great discussion on the planning of the city. Zagreb's site is terrible. No decent discussion and nothing on major public and private projects for the city. The Rijeka city website is also better than Zagreb's/ They list major projects anticpated for the city with images of the proposals. Zagreb's website is truely sad IMO :(


can you post linx here plz for all decent Croatian forums, thanx :) :) :)

Sarajka
June 3rd, 2005, 03:17 AM
http://img154.exs.cx/img154/2313/zima20u20zadru6xs.jpg

Srce Isusove! :eek2:
;) Croatia is gorgeous.

SinCity
June 3rd, 2005, 03:24 AM
can you post linx here plz for all decent Croatian forums, thanx :) :) :)

www.forum.hr
www.index.hr
www.iskon.hr

thats some, but the guys may know better ones. Let me know if you need more assistance Mic. :)

SinCity
June 9th, 2005, 07:50 AM
U prodajni centar u Zadru SPAR ulaže 15 milijuna eura
11.05.2005 | 21:31

http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/admin/upload/images/1115840006sparB.jpg

Hrvatsko tržište od polovice ove godine bit će bogatije za još jedan inozemni trgovački lanac. Austrijska tvrtka SPAR, preko SPAR Hrvatska, u lipnju ove godine otvara svoj prvi Interspar prodajni centar, i to u Zadru.

Božica Babić

Riječ je o investiciji čija vrijednost iznosi 15 milijuna eura. Prodajni centar imat će površinu 9000 četvornih metara i zadarskom području otvara mogućnost zapošljavanja na 150 novih radnih mjesta, izvijestili su jučer iz tvrtke SPAR Hrvatska.

U okviru prodajnog centra najviše prostora, čak 4000 četvornih metara, odnosi se na hipermarket Interspar, koji će postati najveći trgovački prostor s asortimanom (ne)prehrambenih artikala na širem zadarskom području.

Osim hipermarketa, u sklopu prodajnog centra Zadranima će na usluzi stajati brojni drugi sadržaji poput bistroa, drogerije, prodavaonica obuće i tekstila, te frizer, pošta i mjenjačnica. Kupcima će na raspolaganju biti i 400 parkirališnih mjesta, od kojih više od pola u podzemnoj garaži.

SPAR je za lokaciju svog prvog hipermarketa odabrao upravo Zadar zbog njegova vrlo dinamičnog razvoja tijekom posljednjih nekoliko godina, ali i velikih razvojnih potencijala, kažu u SPAR Hrvatska.

Plan kompanije je kroz nekoliko sljedećih godina otvoriti hipermarkete u svim većim gradovima Republike Hrvatske. Već tijekom 2006. godine bit će otvorena dva takva trgovačka centra, najavljuju, ali još nisu pripravni otkriti točne destinacije spomenutih investicija.

SPAR Austrija dio je velike grupe samostalnih tvrtki koje posluju u 34 zemlje na pet kontinenata. Na više od 15.000 prodajnih destinacija u 2003. godini ostvaren je promet od 26,8 milijardi eura. Austrijski SPAR s razgranatom mrežom hipermarketa već je prisutan na tržištima sjeverne Italije, Slovenije, Mađarske i Češke. Zapošljava oko 50.000 radnika i godišnje ostvaruje konsolidirani promet veći od sedam milijardi eura.

bokiii
June 27th, 2005, 01:46 AM
Had Zadar fallen to the Serbs then the whole scenario would have been different. It may have caused the capitulation of Dalmatia and placed considerable pressure on the rest of Croatia.

The interesting thing was that the Serbs almost had Zadar on a number of occasions. Firstly, the city was almost abandoned but the Serbs were frightened to enter Zadar from the northern suburbs because of the highrise apartments. They thought the Croats were inside waiting for them.

Secondly there was that tank column that came in from the north east to which the Croats ambushed preventing them from taking the city. I dont know if its there still, but I have a pic still of the burnt out tank that stopped a line of them from entering the suburbs.

It was a terrible scenario for everyone especially for those that defended the city like many of my relatives too. My uncle was one that died defending Zadar.

In the end when the Serbs couldnt take the city they made everyone pay by constant bombardment to which many people lost their lives. Even when the ceasefire was over they kept bombing Zadar until the "Maslenica" action forced them away from the city fringe and further.

I'm glad all the war damage has been repaired now.

Mick - The new Maslenica Bridge forms part of the local road network to the north of Zadar. Its independant of the larger motorway bridge which is nearby.


You really think that we wanted to take Zadar but we coludn't??
We didn't take it beacuse there were much Serbs there living.How come we took then those parts where we Serbs lived until Milosevic told us to retreat.And don't make me laugh with that we libereted ourselfs.You coludn't liberate yourselfs for a thousand years for a godsake until we liberated you in 1918...

bokiii
June 27th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Acctualy it sholud been not much Serbs living there there were catholized long time ago...

SinCity
June 27th, 2005, 01:57 AM
Acctualy it sholud been not much Serbs living there there were catholized long time ago...

Piss off before I ask a moderator to do something about you and your trolling of this thread. Loser.

mic of Orion
June 27th, 2005, 02:59 AM
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bubach_hlubach
June 27th, 2005, 05:39 AM
Mike, why do you even bother to explain anything that to imbecile called Boki? We all know that he is fully aware of everything you wrote in your post above. He's just jealous and is trying to piss you off..which he did very well. Next tim he appears here, lets report his ass to the mods, it is that simple.
:cheers:

long foot
June 27th, 2005, 09:25 AM
Slažem se, bubach, mi smo luđi što uopće prihvaćamo ikakvu raspravu na tu temu s ispranim mozgovima. Problem je jedino što takvih kao Boki imaš koliko hoćeš na ovom forumu i koji koriste svaku priliku da seru po našoj zemlji. To su oni isti ljudi koji su nas napali prije 14 godina, točno možeš prepoznati istu retoriku kojom su se tada služili i kojom se i danas služe. Uz dužno poštovanje prema pojedincima, čini se da se Srbija u cjelini nije puno promijenila od 1991, samo je izgubila moć :sleepy: Milošević je u zatvoru, ali malih Miloševića ima koliko hoćeš na sve strane.

bambam
June 27th, 2005, 10:52 AM
Ljudi...

ja nemogu da razumijes zato uopce na to reagirate.. nemojte se spustati na taj nivo nego lijepo kopirajte ono sto je netko napisao u eMail... posaljite webmasteru i ako treba s prevodom na engleski... i za cas rijesen problem jer ce mu biti oduzet account i sve sto je do sada neko mislio da mora brbljati ce biti priko noci obrisani s citavog foruma sto u biti znaci: adios amigos

mic of Orion
June 27th, 2005, 01:46 PM
Mike, why do you even bother to explain anything that to imbecile called Boki? We all know that he is fully aware of everything you wrote in your post above. He's just jealous and is trying to piss you off..which he did very well. Next tim he appears here, lets report his ass to the mods, it is that simple.
:cheers:

I agree, I think I blown out chance of getting that twat, sorry, I should have kept my gob shut and later the process take over, suffice to say next time it happens I'll make sure to keep my cool and report the bugger to mods...

Waht If I delete my previous post ?

dadekhr
July 5th, 2005, 08:53 PM
05.07.2005 16:51

Rekonstrukcijom Biogradske ceste Zadar zaokružuje rješavanje prometne infrastrukture
U kolovozu se počinje graditi zadarska obilaznica
Autor FRANE ŠARIĆ

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050705/dal-cesta-txt.jpg

ZADAR - Gradonačelnik Zadra Živko Kolega jučer je svečano pustio u promet 660 metara dugu i više od devet milijuna kuna vrijednu dionicu Biogradske ceste. Riječ je o prvom spoju na buduću industrijsku luku Gaženicu, ali i prometnici od velike važnosti za taj dio Zadra gdje se do obnove stalno zbog loše izvedene prometnice stvarao prometni čep.

Tijekom rekonstrukcije prometnice podignuta je i razina mosta preko potoka Ričine na tri i pol metra. Najavljena je i rekonstrukcija preostalog dijela dionice, a trebala bi biti završena do kraja godine.

Ž. Kolega istaknuo je kako je jučer otvorena prometnica Zadranima bitna i zbog uređenja kolektora, odnosno biopročistača, ugrađenog na tome dijelu koji će zadarsku kanalizaciju i otpadne vode ispustiti kilometar i pol od obale.

Podsjetimo, nedavno je završena i prometnica D-8 od Zadra do Bibinja pa je Zadar spojio četverotračnim prometnicama sjeverni i istočni ulaz u grad. Ipak, što se tiče uređenja zadarske prometne infrastrukture, uskoro će uslijediti možda i najvažniji projekt. Potkraj kolovoza trebala bi se početi graditi spojna cesta od čvorišta autoceste Zadar 2 do luke Gaženice pa će Zadar postati prvi grad s izravnim spojem na autocestu u Dalmaciji.

Naime, riječ je o prometnici s četiri traka, odnosno brzoj cesti koja će imati sve karakteristike autoceste osim zaustavnog traka, a posve će je sa 450 milijuna kuna financirati država. Jer, cesta je izravni spoj na buduću industrijsku luku Gaženicu u kojoj se za nekoliko godina očekuje više od tisuću radnih mjesta i koja je zbog toga, ali i očekivanog tereta i ostalih značajki, luka od iznimne državne važnosti.

Article from Većernji list (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/dalmatia/325613/index.do)

SinCity
July 6th, 2005, 01:44 AM
Thanks for that Dadekhr! This is important for the economic development of Zadar and also to help kick start the new industrial zone.

long foot
July 28th, 2005, 11:15 AM
I have stolen few pics from http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?tid=379&page=5

New pool, july 2005.
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=5316

New basketball arena, july 2005
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=5317

OettingerCroat
July 28th, 2005, 06:44 PM
is this that olympic complex theyre building?

SinCity
July 29th, 2005, 01:48 AM
is this that olympic complex theyre building?

No. They are building a new basketball / sports arena because Zadar is basketball crazy and they also have an excellent team. The complex can also be used for other events like concerts because the arena located in Jazine is small and also old.

The new swimming complex is long overdue. It will be indoor and outdoor. There are no olympic standard pools in Zadar that I can remember so the city is building one. Coastal city everyone hits the beach but it now provides a swimming complex all year round. :)

bambam
July 29th, 2005, 07:16 AM
Bas sam procitao u nekim njemackim novinama da ce se Zadar uskoro naci na listi UNESCA^^

SinCity
July 29th, 2005, 07:21 AM
Bas sam procitao u nekim njemackim novinama da ce se Zadar uskoro naci na listi UNESCA^^

Mozda crkva Sv Donat, ali ne cijeli grad koji je bio tesko pogodjen bombardiranjem za vrijeme drugog svjetskog rata .... :(

bubach_hlubach
July 29th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Ako koga zanima, mogu postati ovdje fotke Zadra nakon bombardiranja 1943 godine. Grad je prakticki bio do temelja razrusen :(

SinCity
July 29th, 2005, 07:34 AM
Bubach, ja bih volio vidjeti te slike ...

bubach_hlubach
July 29th, 2005, 08:20 AM
Zadar in 1943, after Brits and Americans bombed the heck out of it :

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7498/zadar19430od9d9qx.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/794/zadar194318gp.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2710/zadar194323jc.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1205/zadar1943iih8h7f8ds.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7579/zadar1943kdd875wg.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4027/zadar1943kdid8d4mf.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5930/zadar1943ldkdn4et.jpg

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droping bombs on Zadar :

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:(

SinCity
July 29th, 2005, 08:59 AM
Jesus Christ and then they crap on how Croatia didn't suffer during WW2. Zadar was the worst hit city in Croatia.

BTW, my Grandmother's sister was killed in the WW2 bombings of Zadar and my Grandfather lost both his sister and mother in the allied bombings. He had to pull their body parts out of the ruins. He told me all of this the last time I saw him. Man I hate war! :(

esseker
July 31st, 2005, 11:23 PM
Croatia did suffer a grear deal in WW2. Osijek was also ounder heavy bombing from since it was an important industrial and millitary base. I heard that in only one day the osijek's donji grad, "lower town" or "unterstadt", was almost wiped out completely since there are still big fuel tanks (siloses). The town's center was also damaged and some of the charming old houses in the Kapucinska street (Korzo) were distroyed.

well... and now back to more a more pleasnt topic... :bash:

OettingerCroat
August 1st, 2005, 02:13 AM
Zadar in 1943, after Brits and Americans bombed the heck out of it :

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http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1800/zadar19437iq.jpg

droping bombs on Zadar :

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4072/zadarnapad2811435jd.jpg

:(

thats trully terrible

SinCity
August 2nd, 2005, 01:35 AM
Croatia did suffer a grear deal in WW2. Osijek was also ounder heavy bombing from since it was an important industrial and millitary base. I heard that in only one day the osijek's donji grad, "lower town" or "unterstadt", was almost wiped out completely since there are still big fuel tanks (siloses). The town's center was also damaged and some of the charming old houses in the Kapucinska street (Korzo) were distroyed.

well... and now back to more a more pleasnt topic... :bash:

I am refering to Serbians because they always mention how badly Belgrade was bombed and how their capital lost many beautiful building etc, etc. That Belgrade was the only matyr city in ex-Yu, blah, blah, blah.

I know many other Croatian cities were bombed too in WW2 but as you can see Zadar was completely devastated. I was told about it all as a kid and this is the first time I have seen pictures of the devastation. Its very severe.

Zadar's only crime was that it was occupied by Italians and this resulted in 73 seperate bombing raids by the allied forces.

The point to this discussion is you can see they did a marvelous job in rebuilding and reviving Zadar as best as possible that you wouldn't even know how bad the damage was. I gather Belgrade could have done the same and thus today had a more aesthically appealing city. In the end they decided to build modern architecture which has aged terribly and doesnt compliment the city centre and surrounds.

The Zadar WW2 damage vs the reconstruction is an excellent example of how successfully they achieved this. :)

OettingerCroat
August 19th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Najveće gužve u ponedjeljak

Tijekom produženog blagdanskog vikenda na zadarskom se plovnom području očekuje rekord u prijevozu trajektima i putničkim brodovima od preko pet tisuća vozila te tridesetak tisuća putnika.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/LardySlovenian/zadarsd.jpg

Gužve će, pretpostavlja se, premda su u zadarskoj luci bile vidljive već u petak i subotu, biti najveće u ponedjeljak. Najviše putnika i vozila bilježi se na linijama Zadar — Preko na Ugljanu i Biograd — Tkon na Pašmanu na kojima trajekti voze non-stop.

Opsežan je i protok vozila autocestom Zagreb — Zadar i obratno te Jadranskom magistralom, a usporeno se vozi i cestom Zadar — Nin — Vir koju koriste tisuće motoriziranih gostiju. S obzirom na blagdan Velike Gospe, autobusi u gradskom i prigradskom prometu vozit će po blagdanskom, odnosno vikendaškom rasporedu, a u međugradskom i međunarodnom prometu nema, ali može doći do reduciranja linija na pojedinim pravcima zbog smanjenog interesa za putovanja.

Na lokalnim brodskim i trajektnim linijama neće biti promjena u plovidbenom redu, doznajemo u agenciji riječke Jadrolinije. Tijekom produženog vikenda prometovat će se po utvrđenom ljetnom redu plovidbe, ali će se, s obzirom na veliki pritisak putnika i vozila za otoke, na određene linije uz redovite, uvoditi i izvanredne vožnje gdje to bude potrebno radi zadovoljavanja potreba i skraćivanja čekanja na pristaništima. Dodatne vožnje će se uvoditi ponajviše na linijama iz Zadra za Preko na Ugljanu, iz Biograda do Tkona na Pašmanu, zatim za Sali, Zaglav, i Brbinj na Dugom otoku, a po potrebi i za Ist i Silbu.
Vitalne službe u Zadru i području Zadarske županije imat će dežurne ekipe radnika za različite usluge. Trgovačke radnje i tržnica posluju po uobičajenom rasporedu, ali će u ponedjeljak, na blagdan, biti zatvorene.

Sarajka
August 23rd, 2005, 06:50 PM
August, 2005:

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SinCity
August 24th, 2005, 01:41 AM
Thanks Sarajka. :)

esseker
August 24th, 2005, 06:51 PM
hey, do you see that building at the last picture from Sarajka in the middle on the right with blue glass windows? I remember they mentioned something about it not having the necessary "papers" maybe a year ago and that it needs to be demolished like the Brodarica building in Split, plus some freaks said it was ugly! I hope the building has the papers now and that it's in use for good :)

SinCity
August 25th, 2005, 02:14 AM
hey, do you see that building at the last picture from Sarajka in the middle on the right with blue glass windows? I remember they mentioned something about it not having the necessary "papers" maybe a year ago and that it needs to be demolished like the Brodarica building in Split, plus some freaks said it was ugly! I hope the building has the papers now and that it's in use for good :)

I think its Euroherc insurance building. If they have to pull it down, then pull it down. I'm not keen on illegally built structures. It looks OK, but a better looking building should have been built there because its a prominent waterfront location.

The construction crane showing on the pic is from the TIZ redevelopment site. I think there are renders on page 1 of this thread. :)

esseker
August 25th, 2005, 11:34 AM
I aggree that all buildings must have all papers otherwise we would have an anarchy.
But I don't aggree with the policy of the Ministry to pull down all the buildings that lack some papers. I only aggree with that policy if the houses are built in a green zone. But for that building in Zadar and the Brodarica building in Split I think a better solution would be to take the building from the owner and give it to the state/city. That way all the money invested wouldn't be wasted and the government would benefit from selling the buildings more than from selling only construction land. Or the building could be rented.
Also when they pull down a building there's a lot of scrap material left on the site and even if they clean it on the building site all that old brick, metal and glass have to be dumped somewhere. And our waste disposal areas are allready full to their limits. To me only that kind of policy makes sense.

OettingerCroat
August 27th, 2005, 05:44 PM
Zapadna Europa vratila se Zatonu

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20050827/images/ZD18A.jpg

U turističkom naselju Zaton u usporedbi s prošlim godinama došlo je do izmjene u strukturi gostiju. Ona se vraća u one predratne omjere, kada su u Zatonu, osim domaćih gostiju, najbrojniji bili turisti iz zapadne Europe - kaže šef prodaje Vjekoslav Božić

Turističko naselje Zaton nalazi se pred pragom ostvarenja najboljih rezultata u zadnjih 15-ak godina, i te ne samo u popunjenosti apartmana i kampa već i po strukturi gostiju koja se gotovo u potpunosti izjednačila sa onom predratnom.
Trenutno se u TN-u Zaton odmara šest tisuća gostiju, apartmanski dio naselja kontinuirano je pun i takav trend potrajat će do 3. rujna, a do 10. rujna broj gostiju bit će smanjen za samo 10 posto. Dobra je popunjenost i kampa na koji su se ipak nešto odrazile i vremenske (ne)prilike na koje su kampisti osjetljiviji od gostiju u apartmanima. Pa ipak, kamp je do sada već postigao 7 posto bolje rezultate od prošle godine, dok su apartmani do sada ostvarili 88 posto prošlogodišnjih rezultata. Do kraja godine, odnosno sezone, apartmani će ostvariti premašaj za 5 do 6 posto, dok bi popunjenost kampa mogla biti veća i za 20 posto, kaže šef prodaje TN Zaton Vjekoslav Božić.
Bazeni - pun pogodak!
- Sada već talijanski gosti polako odlaze, a dominiraju Nijemci i to u kampu i apartmanima. Ove smo godine imali i značajan broj gostiju iz Danske i Nizozemske, a u apartmanskom dijelu Zaton je ovoga ljeta prepoznalo mađarsko turističko tržište. Zbilja, dosta je Mađara u naselju i to kroz čitavu sezonu od konca lipnja do rujna - kaže Božić. U apartmanima Zatona ima 2121 krevet, dok u kampovima ima 1054 parcele. Ukupno kamp može primiti šest tisuća ljudi. Najzastupljeniji gosti u apartmanima ovoga ljeta bili su Nijemci (21,9 posto), drugi su Talijani (17 posto), domaći gosti su treći (10,61 posto), zatim slijede Austrijanci (9,35 posto) i Slovenci (4,32 posto). U kampu su najzastupljeniji također Nijemci (36 posto), drugi su Nizozemci (21 posto), treći Danci (8,5 posto), slijede Austrijanci (6,77 posto), Česi (5,71 posto) i Francuzi (3 posto).
- Upravo se prema ovoj strukturi gostiju može vidjeti da je u Zatonu u usporedbi s prošlim godinama došlo do izmjene u strukturi gostiju. Ona se vraća u one predratne omjere, kada su u Zatonu, osim domaćih gostiju, najbrojniji bili turisti iz zapadne Europe - ističe Božić.
U Zatonu su se potrudili i oko turističke ponude pri čemu su se otvoreni bazeni pokazali - kao pun pogodak, kaže Božić.
Novi ugovori već spremni
- Grijana, slatka voda više odgovara dijelu gostiju koji dolaze sa sjevera od morske vode, tako da su bazeni vrlo dobro posjećeni. Osim toga svakoga četvrtka na bazenima imamo večernji spektakl pod reflektorima "Zaton bez granica". To su igre na bazenu nastale po uzoru na nekadašnje televizijske "Igre bez granica", zanimljivo je da timove čine ekipe gostiju: Nijemaca, Talijana itd. U naselju rade interni radio i televizija, izlaze i novine "Zaton News" svaka dva tjedna na četiri strana jezika. Gostima je na raspolaganju i stalni animatosrki tim sa 11 animatora koji stvaraju zanimljive programe za djecu i za odrasle - kaže šef prodaje i nastavlja:
- Već sada zaključujemo ugovore i za iduću godinu. Do konca rujna glavnina toga posla trebala bi biti gotova. U apartmanima mi standardno imamo 30 posto individualnih gostiju dok su ostalo agencijski, dok u kampu prevladavaju individualni gosti sa 70 posto, ali ima i alotmanskih gostiju. Iako je naselje ušlo u sezonu sa istim cijenama kao i prošle godine, financijski rezultati trebali bi biti dobri jer je i izvanpansionska potrošnja u restoranima, barovima i trgovinama bila dobra. Tako će potrajati do konca rujna kada Zaton zatvara svoja vrata.

OettingerCroat
September 10th, 2005, 07:02 AM
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20050909/images/zd1a.jpg

Nova riva dogodine bez kanalizacijskih ispusta

Lokacijska bi dozvola za crpnu postaju Foša trebala biti gotova ovih dana, očekuju u Odvodnji. Nakon njezina dobivanja radit će se izvedbeni projekt za građevinsku dozvolu i bude li sve teklo prema planovima, svi bi kanalizacijski ispusti koji s Obale Petra Krešimira IV. idu u more trebali nestati u jesen iduće godine. Dužobalni kolektori ići će gotovo cijelom dužinom Nove rive, ukopani ispod dijela posutog tucanikom, a crpna postaja Foša, također ukopana bez vidljivih nadzemnih dijelova, bit će kod hotela Zagreb.
— Do te će postaje krila kolektora dolaziti s dvije strane, jedan od Bijele kuće, drugi od zgrade Sveučilišta. Obuhvatit će i zatim sve današnje ispuste na toj rivi preusmjeriti na novu crpnu postaju — objašnjava direktor Odvodnje Grgo Peronja. Odatle će se sve otpadne vode tlačnim vodom prepumpavati do Medulićeve ulice i zatim gravitacijskim padom uz Trg pet bunara i zgradu Peglice stizati do visine spomenika Kreši Ćosiću u Jazinama. Preko tamošnjega spojnog okna i crpne postaje Jazine, govori dalje Peronja, u konačnici će odlaziti u uređaj Centar s mehaničkim i biološkim pročišćivačem otpadnih voda i konačno kroz podmorski ispust u more.
Na taj će način biti riješeno svih pet današnjih ispusta na Novoj rivi koji inače prikupljaju glavninu otpadnih voda Poluotoka. Budući da su još prije sedam godina riješeni ispusti u Jazinama, preostat će samo tri ispusta od mosta prema vrhu Poluotoka. Njih će se, kaže Peronja, rješavati drugim dijelom prstena oko Poluotoka u idućim godinama. Ta su tri ispusta, inače, malog kapaciteta i prikupljaju, tvrdi direktor Odvodnje, znatno manje otpadnih voda od ostalih.
Crpna postaja Foša i kolektori do nje sastavni su dio velikog zadarskog projekta odvodnje. Glavni objekti cjelovitog sustava, uređaj za pročišćavanje otpadnih voda Centar te istoimeni podmorski ispust, koji u dužini od 1171 metra ide kopnom i puna dva kilometra u moru, trebali bi biti dovršeni do kraja 2007. godine. Preko uređaja u podmorski će ispust tada odlaziti pročišćene otpadne vode najvećeg dijela grada, od Puta Petrića i dijela Brodarice do Gaženice, područja na kojemu obitava oko 55.000 ljudi.
Koliko će stajati izgradnja crpne postaje Foša i pripadajućih joj kolektora, ukupno oko dva kilometra različitih cijevi, za sada se, kaže Peronja, ne može govoriti. Financijski okviri će se znati tek nakon izrade izvedbenog projekta za koji će se natječaj raspisati nakon dobivanja lokacijske dozvole. Idejni je projekt inače radila tvrtka Hidroprojekt-ing Zagreb, odjel Rijeka.

OettingerCroat
September 10th, 2005, 07:05 AM
Već u kolovozu - rekordna godina!

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20050909/images/zad2a.jpg

Ovogodišnji broj od 5.187.018 noćenja već je sada veći od broja noćenja prošlih godina, a isto je tako i s brojem gostiju — Da je turistička godina završila 1. rujna, već bi bila rekordna, bez gostiju koji će se još evidentirati do kraja godine, a posezona će, najavljuju turistički djelatnici, biti odlična

Više od pet milijuna (prijavljenih) noćenja domaćih i stranih gostiju od siječnja do konca kolovoza ove godine i više od 800 tisuća dolazaka, od čega je 2,2 milijuna noćenja i 315 tisuća dolazaka ostvareno samo u kolovozu — podaci su Turističke zajednice Zadarske županije koji najavljuju već sada jednu od najboljih poslijeratnih turističkih godina na zadarskom području.
A ova je turistička godina za zadarski turizam počela naizgled neslavno. U siječnju je gostiju, kažu statistike, bilo za 40 posto manje nego prošle godine, odnosno 15 posto manje u odnosu na 2003. godinu. Noćenja je bilo manje za čak 60 posto u odnosu na lani, odnosno za 25 posto u odnosu na 2003. godinu. Sličan trend nastavljen je i u veljači, kada je broj gostiju bio manji za 12 posto u odnosu na prošlu godinu, a broj noćenja za 55 posto manji, pa je Zadarska županija evidentirana u statistikama Ministarstva turizma kao županija s najvećim padom broja turista u odnosu na prošlu godinu.
U ožujku je taj trend zaustavljen pa je broj gostiju "skočio" za 45 posto u odnosu na prošlu godinu, dok je broj noćenja ostao u podbačaju od 15 posto. Slično je bilo i u travnju, s osam posto povećanja broja gostiju, te 25 posto minusa u broju noćenja. Tek je svibanj donio "ravnotežu" s povećanjem dolazaka turista od sedam posto i 10 posto u broju noćenja u odnosu na prošlogodišnji svibanj, te 34 posto više dolazaka i 42 posto više noćenja u odnosu na 2003. godinu.
U lipnju je ostvareno 24 posto više broja turista nego u lipnju prošle godine, kada je, pak, bilježen manjak i do 25 posto u odnosu na pretprošlu godinu, a noćenja su bila veća za četiri posto. Sličan je trend nastavljen i u srpnju, no najveći pomak dogodio se upravo u kolovozu koji je donio povećanje za 10 posto u broju gostiju i čak 16 posto u broju noćenja gostiju u odnosu na kolovoz prošle godine, odnosno 17 posto više gostiju u odnosu na 2003. godinu i isto toliko u broju noćenja.
Koliko je ova godina turistički najbolja u posljednjih 15 godina, pokazuju usporedbe s prošlim turističkim sezonama. Ovogodišnji broj od 5.187.018 noćenja već je sada veći od broja noćenja svih prošlih godina, a isto je tako i s brojem gostiju. To znači, da je turistička godina završila 1. rujna, već bi bila rekordna, bez gostiju koji će se još evidentirati do kraja godine, a posezona će, najavljuju turistički djelatnici, biti odlična.
U usporedbi s 5,1 milijun noćenja u prvih osam mjeseci ove godine, lani je u svih 12 mjeseci bilo 4,5 milijuna noćenja, u 2003. godini 4,3 milijuna, u 2002. godini 3,7 milijuna, 2001. 3,4 milijuna, 2000. godine 2,9 milijuna, 1999. godine samo 1,6 milijuna gostiju, a 1990. 3,2 milijuna gostiju. Slično je i s brojem gostiju: u usporedbi s 815 tisuća dolazaka do konca kolovoza ove godine, samo je lani ukupno bilo više gostiju, i to neznatno više, ukupno 843 tisuće. Godine 2003. bilo je 741 tisuću dolazaka, 2002. godine 654 tisuće, 2001. 612 tisuća, 2000. godine 451 tisuća, 1999. godine 266 tisuća, a 1990. godine 477 tisuća gostiju.
U prosjeku, gosti su ostajali na ljetovanju 6,3 dana, a u samome kolovozu prosjek boravka bio je gotovo sedam dana. To je nastavak trenda smanjivanja dužine boravka gostiju, što je opet povezano s većom mobilnošću turista. Iako je ove godine sezona bila objektivno bolja po mnogim parametrima, izvjesno je da novi paušalni sustav naplate boravišne pristojbe nije "omanuo", bar ne u tolikoj mjeri da se prijavljivalo manje nego prošlih godina. Koliko će financijski ova turistička godina biti uspješna, treba tek "izvagati", a to na kraju i jest — najvažnije "mjerilo" uspješnosti.

OettingerCroat
September 25th, 2005, 07:18 AM
Tri zone za komunalni doprinos

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20050924/images/ZD1A.jpg

U prvoj zoni plaćat će se 50 kuna komunalnog doprinosa po metru kubičnom građevine, u drugoj 40 kuna, a u trećoj, koja se odnosi samo na apartmane, vlasnici će morati ubuduće izdvojiti 80 kuna komunalnog doprinosa po metru kubičnom građevine. Domicilno stanovništvo je oslobođeno plaćanja komunalnog doprinosa u visini od 80 posto od obračunate vrijednosti

Nakon ljetne stanke, vijećnici ražanačkog Općinskog vijeća okupili su se u četvrtak navečer na poziv predsjednika Bože Čolaka (HDZ-HSP), na sjednicu koja je u potpunosti bila posvećena aktualnim pitanjima iz života i razvoja Ražanca i njegovih sedam općinskih mjesta.

Na samom početku oporbeni vijećnik Ivica Katić (HSLS) predložio je da se u dnevni red uvrsti točka "provedba izbora za nove mjesne odbore", upitavši općinske čelnike što se s time čeka kad je poznato kako je Općinsko vijeće još 2003. godine donijelo odluku da se sukladno novom izbornom zakonu obavi taj posao, kazao je Katić. Jure Kožul (SDP-HNS) pitao je zašto na dnevnom redu nema aktualnog sata, ustvrdivši kako to nije dobro jer se, po njegovu mišljenju, tako oduzima mogućnost vijećnicima da postave općinskim čelnicima određena pitanja. Načelnik Dragutin Miočić (HDZ-HSP) objasnio je kako Poglavarstvo ozbiljno radi na pripremi izbora za nove mjesne odbore i kako će se oni najvjerojatnije održati do konca ove godine. Što se, pak, tiče aktualnog sata, predsjednik Vijeća Božo Čolak je ustvrdio kako će se i ta točka na prvoj idućoj sjednici uvrstiti u dnevni red.

S obzirom da su na prošloj sjednici određeni vijećnici imenovani članovima Općinskog poglavarstva, u nastavku se prišlo izboru novih vijećnika. Na prijedlog vladajuće koalicije HDZ-HSP, u Vijeće su imenovani Josip Lilić, Slavko Miočić i Branko Dundović iz HDZ-a, te Marin Šimunac iz HSP-a. Na mjesto dopredsjednika Vijeća izabran je Branko Dundović (HDZ-HSP). Na mjesto predsjednika za izbor i imenovanja izabran je Petar Miočić (HDZ-HSP), dok je novim članom Mandatne komisije postao Marin Šimunac (HDZ).

U daljnjem tijeku sjednice Vijeće je nakon poduže i temeljite rasprave, uz devet glasova "za" i četiri suzdržana glasa, usvojilo odluku o uvođenju i plaćanju komunalnog doprinosa na području općine Ražanac. Po toj odluci određene su tri zone. Prva zona obuhvaća naselja Ražanac, Rtinu, Ljubač i Ljubačke Stanove i u njoj će ubuduće vlasnici prigodom izgradnje novih stambenih objekata plaćati 50 kuna komunalnog doprinosa po metru kubičnom građevine. U drugu zonu su svrstani Jovići, Radovin, Krneza i Podvršje i tamo će se plaćati 40 kuna po metru kubičnom. Treća zona je najskuplja, a ona se odnosi na izgradnju apartmana, čiji će vlasnici morati ubuduće izdvojiti 80 kuna komunalnog doprinosa po metru kubičnom građevine. Rukovodeći se s trenutačnim financijskim stanjem stanovnika svoje općine, Vijeće je odlučilo da se domicilno stanovništvo oslobodi plaćanja komunalnog doprinosa u visini od 80 posto od obračunate vrijednosti. U tu istu kategoriju bit će svrstani i svi oni vlasnici građevinskih objekata koji prilože dokaz o prebivalištu u općini Ražanac od najmanje deset godina.

OettingerCroat
September 25th, 2005, 07:21 AM
Odvjetništvo i suci zapeli na dokazivanju
namjere da se unište poduzeća!

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20050924/images/ZD2A.jpg

U Zadru je tijekom pretvorbe i privatizacije nestalo sedam tisuća radnih mjesta, Državna revizija je utvrdila mnogobrojne nepravilnosti, navela čak i JMBG osoba koje su sudjelovale u tome. No, sve to Državnom odvjetništvu nije dovoljno za više od četiri kaznene prijave. A pravomoćno osuđenih, jasno, nema

Iako deseci izvješća o reviziji pretvorbe i privatizacije koja je u zadnje četiri godine nad zadarskim poduzećima provodio Državni ured za reviziju vrve nepravilnostima i elementima za kazneni progon, Županijsko državno odvjetništvo u Zadru podiglo je samo četiri kaznene prijave!

Sve se odnose na stečaj "Plodina" odnosno bivšega dugogodišnjeg direktora Ivicu Suraća kojem je 2001. godine Ured za reviziju pronašao nezakonitosti u poslovanju. Točnije, istragu je pokrenulo Državno odvjetništvo mimo same revizije koja je poslije to samo uvrstila u svoje izvješće i podigla kaznene prijave. Riječ je bila o prodaji četiriju prodavaonica u vlasništvu "Plodina", a ishod će biti poznat nakon vještačenja jer je slučaj već četiri godine u fazi istrage.

Odbačene prijave malih dioničara

Za privatizaciju "Jadere" i "Zadranke" ne da nitko nije odgovarao već štoviše, ne postoji niti jedna kaznena prijava od nadležnih pravosudnih organa iako se u oba slučaja pri kupnji dionica spominje nekoliko istih imena, prije svega Danijel Puhalović koji je zajedno sa Zvonimirom Nižićem i Renom Sinovčićem kupovao dionice malih dioničara i državnih fondova. Nakon privatizacije "Jadere", Nižić je postao i vlasnikom najatraktivnijih poslovnih prostora u gradu. Prve kaznene prijave koje su mali dioničari "Zadranke" podnijeli protiv nepoznatih počinitelja su odbačene i to zato što su "prijavljivali po logici stvari, bez konkretnih podataka". U prosincu prošle godine, 124 bivša radnika "Zadranke" ponovno podižu kaznenu prijavu zbog sumnje u gospodarski kriminal i to protiv osam osoba: Zvonimira Nižića Grofa, bivših direktora Ante Marasovića, Željka Vujevića i Velibora Zaninovića, predsjednice Trgovačkog suda Ardene Bajlo, stečajnog upravitelja Blaža Savića ali i čelnih osoba Udruge malih dioničara, Ante Šimunova i Jelene Fuzul.
Dakle, sudeći prema ovim podacima, sve pretvorbe i privatizacije u Zadru osim "Plodina" su bile čiste "ko suza", nepoštivanja zakona nije bilo, kriminala ni u tragovima. Odgovornih za privatizacijske pljačke, milijunske gubitke i sedam tisuća izgubljenih radnih mjesta nema, procesuiranih još manje, a broj osuđenih čista znanstvena fantastika.

S druge strane, u izvješćima Ureda državne revizije crno na bijelo stoje brojne, lijepo rečeno, "nepravilnosti", čak s JMBG-ovima osoba koje su nezakonito trgovale dionicama. Ukratko, tko je ovdje lud? Ili tko je zakazao u lancu revizija - odvjetništvo - sud? Istina, u zadarskom slučaju ništa nije ni stiglo tako daleko, do sudskog procesuiranja.

Slobodna sudačka ocjena

Sam Ured državne revizije se u prvoj fazi svog rada ograđivao kako oni me mogu podizati kaznene prijave jer je takav, navodno, međunarodni standard. Naknado je to promijenjeno, a Revizija je prema Županijskom državnom odvjetništvu prosljeđivala izvješća s naznakama na elemente kaznenih djela. Na pitanje zašto nalazi Revizije gdje je kršenje zakona očito nisu dalje procesuirani, Ivan Galović, županijski državni odvjetnik odgovara:
- Odvjetništvo je dovedeno u situaciju da se pretvara u vještake i eksperte koji će kopati po tim izvješćima. Moguća kriminalna djela nisu naznačena a lajtmotiv svakog izvješća je da su "pretvorba i privatizacija provedene u skladu sa zakonom". Jedno je nepravilnost navedena u izvješću revizije, drugo kazneno djelo, a treće mogućnost dokazivanja tog djela. Sve se svede na slobodnu ocjenu dokaza odnosno dokaz nečije namjere. Logično je očekivati da nitko neće reći da je namjerno upropastio poduzeće već da je krivac rat, pokušaj zaštite radnika ili nešto treće. Netko jest kriv za sve što se događalo ali teško je razlučiti što je bilo rezultat kriminalnih radnji a što lošeg poslovanja, tvrdi Galović koji ironično kaže kako je glavni instrument za borbu protiv gospodarskog kriminala zakon što ga je doslovno pregazilo vrijeme i gdje se zloporaba u gospodarskom kriminalu tretira kao delikt iz bivšeg sustava. S druge strane, zakoni o privatizaciji su takvi da ih se bez problema može tumačiti dvostruko što se više puta pokazalo praksom hrvatskih sudova. Relativna zastara u ovom slučaju nastupa nakon 10 godina, a apsolutna nakon 20 godina.

Iako je rok za reviziju sa 1. rujna nedavno ekspresnom odlukom Vlade produljen do 30. rujna, do kad bi Ministarstvo gospodarstva trebalo izaći sa zakonskim prijedlogom o puno duljem roku za reviziju, vrlo je izvjesno da je u slučaju privatizacije vuk već odavno pojeo magare. Nije samo važno produžiti rok za reviziju, u kazneno zakonodavstvo moraju se ugraditi elementi koji onemogućuju opstruiranje postupka jer se ne može dokazati "namjera" za počinjenje kriminalnog djela.

bambam
September 27th, 2005, 02:21 PM
Gradsko poglavarstvo dalo je suglasnost za kandidaturu Zadra za održavanje Europskog prvenstva u rukometu 2010. godine.

Prema Pravilniku Hrvatskog olimpijskog odbora o uvjetima i postupku za davanje mišljenja o organizaciji svjetskih i europskih prvenstava u Hrvatskoj, da bi se u postupku donošenja konačne odluke prvenstvo moglo održati, organizator je dužan pribaviti suglasnost grada u kojem će se organizirati natjecanje. Smatrajući kako bi održavanje tako velikog sportskog natjecanja u Zadru bila prilika za veliku promidžbu našeg grada, Poglavarstvo Grada jučer je i dalo svoju suglasnost.

Povjerili li se Hrvatskoj organizacija EP u rukometu 2010, Zadar bi uz 5-7 gradova ušao u krug kandidata u kojima bi se prvenstvo održavalo, a utakmice bi se, dakako, održavale u novoj dvorani na Višnjiku koja je sada u fazi izgradnje.

bubach_hlubach
October 2nd, 2005, 04:22 AM
Milenijski zadarski projekt industrijske luke Gaženica počinje gradnjom četverotračne spojne ceste
Zadar prvi grad u Dalmaciji na autocesti

Autor FRANE ŠARIĆ

ZADAR
Početkom gradnje zadarske obilaznice, spojne ceste s četiri traka sa svim karakteristikama autoceste osim zaustavnog traka, počinje zapravo zadarski milenijski projekt gradnja industrijske luke Gaženice.

Naime, riječ je o četverotračnoj brzoj cesti koja će spojiti zadarsko čvorište autoceste s industrijskom lukom Gaženicom, odnosno Zadrom, a time će Zadar, osim što će dobiti mnogo novih radnih mjesta, postati i jedno od najvažnijih prometnih čvorišta.

Prolaskom autoceste kroz sam Zadar, Ancona će izravno biti na autocesti i otvorit će se mogućnost brže opskrbe robom cijele regije. Zadar na taj način postaje i prvi grad u Dalmaciji koji će biti izravno na autocesti. Dakako, najvažnije je da se ostvare najave ministra mora, turizma, prometa i razvitka Božidara Kalmete kako će u industrijskoj luci Gaženici posao dobiti više od 1000 ljudi, a tome će jamstvo biti i ulaganje oko 500 milijuna kuna, koliko je težak projekt gradnje luke Gaženice.

To je inače bio jedan od glavnih aduta u predizbornoj kampanji Božidara Kalmete, a ovih se dana počeo realizirati dovoženjem strojeva zagrebačke tvrtke Vijadukt koji su počeli kopati buduću trasu spojne ceste. Projekt je, doduše, bio najavljen za ožujka, pa za srpanj i kolovoz, no rokovi su pomaknuti zbog problema s otkupom zemljišta.

Svečano otvaranje oko 400 milijuna kuna vrijednog projekta bit će, kako doznajemo, za nekoliko dana. A radove na dionici dugoj 17 kilometara trebao bi otvoriti sam Božidar Kalmeta. Na cesti će biti četiri raskrižja i nekoliko nadvožnjaka i pristupnih cesta, a radovi bi trebali biti dovršeni do kraja 2006. Gradnja industrijske luke Gaženice trebala bi početi, kako nam je nedavno rekao Božidar Kalmeta, na proljeće iduće godine.

:cheers:

Kommandant Mark
October 4th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Any news about the sports complex thats U/C in Zadar right now?

long foot
October 4th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I will have to check at Zadar city forum.

SinCity
October 5th, 2005, 06:30 AM
Any news about the sports complex thats U/C in Zadar right now?

OK KM since you asked for it ...... ;)

BTW - I'm looking forward to your holiday pics when you get around to posting them ....

Here we go .....

The new Zadar Sports Area or Dome - May 2005 (4 months ago) :) ....

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=4949

The Arena (July 2005) ....

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=5317

This is the adjacent Zadar Aquatic Centre (May 2005) .....

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=379&pid=4948

Endimion17
October 11th, 2005, 08:51 PM
expect some photos of former TIZ redevelopment and Arena construction soon. I'm right here, in Zadar, and I've got myself a 4.1MPX camera with 256 MB memory stick. I'm armed. :D
I just need Paint Shop Pro or something similar. I have nothing like that here. :(

those two buildings at former TIZ are awesome, very modern, with partially exterior staris and lots and lots of glass. Very playful pure white facade.
I don't know if you can imagine it, but TIZ is an ENORMOUS site. Incredible space, and it still contains old industrial buildings (ugly, not nice like gredelj in zagreb) plus waste from construction, industrial towers, pipes, pits, ...
It will be the center of business in Zadar when finished, I'm sure.

ps: I also have few pics of REALLY UGLY commie blocks on Relja, right near the Zadar Mall, and I'll post Sea Organ photos too, together with a short movie clip with sound. ;)

bubach_hlubach
October 11th, 2005, 09:03 PM
What do you need Paint Shop Pro for? To color buildings? :D

If you need a tool for resizing pics, then "irfanview" would be the right tool for ya, it is free and small :)

:cheers:

Endimion17
October 11th, 2005, 10:25 PM
well, ok, I forgot about Irfanview...
I actually need something with lots of editing options, not just for resizing. Well, this will do for now. Perhaps, if I find enough energy... I could post some pics right now. Hmmmm...... :D

SinCity
October 12th, 2005, 12:51 AM
Ja jedvo čekam Endimion17 ..... sad kad si stigao u naš lipi Zadar .... ;)

Endimion17
October 18th, 2005, 12:13 AM
imam 48 slika ukupno (zadar, zagreb, ima svega) ali ovaj glupi hosting ne radi.
ima stvarno glupi način logiranja - klik na link u mailu. smeće.
svejedno, ni to ne radi.

a slike su tako super. btw, zna li tko neki dobar hosting za svakakve fileove? imam par filmića od 1.4MB (svaki) koji prikazuju razne blagodati :D o kojima mi meljemo na ovom forumu.

SinCity
October 18th, 2005, 12:57 AM
^^ I hope it works soon. Looking forward to the hometown pics of Zadar the most. Thanks Endiminion17! :)

gwinczlav
October 18th, 2005, 01:40 AM
imam 48 slika ukupno (zadar, zagreb, ima svega) ali ovaj glupi hosting ne radi.
ima stvarno glupi način logiranja - klik na link u mailu. smeće.
svejedno, ni to ne radi.

a slike su tako super. btw, zna li tko neki dobar hosting za svakakve fileove? imam par filmića od 1.4MB (svaki) koji prikazuju razne blagodati :D o kojima mi meljemo na ovom forumu.
Put them on photobucket then. For movies and other sort of things i prefer rapidshare. Just zip them all. There are a few movie upload sites, but i don't like them. Hurry up.

Endimion17
October 18th, 2005, 02:12 AM
imageshack je proradio. slikice se uploadaju, stay tuned, kako bi rekli...
a filmići će morati pričekati, ja sam na modemu pa mi nije zgodno uploadati 10-ak MB... ali i to će brzo, u roku od 2-3 dana max.
imam ja oko 80 sirovih slika, ali većinom je to eurotower iz već poznatih kuteva, pa je dosadno. treba naći nešto novo, npr. kako ce to izgledati iz neke posve druge sredine... npr. sa savskog mosta
kad bi se netko bar mogao popeti na zagrepčanku...

a i trebaju nam filmići. a ja ih imam nekoliko. :D

SinCity
October 18th, 2005, 02:18 AM
^^ Nice. Sounds cool. :)

Endimion17
October 18th, 2005, 03:06 AM
evo, ovo je vjerojatno kronološki, ne da mi se raspoređivati kodove

područje bivšeg TIZ-a slikano s poluotoka
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9678/dsc005831fk.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc005831fk.jpg)

jedan od "2 nebodera" kod tzv "male pošte", još na sebi nosi neke od ožiljaka rata, najveća oštećenja nebodera su ipak sanirana odavno.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8774/dsc005866rt.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc005866rt.jpg)

TIZ izbliza
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5864/dsc006174bp.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006174bp.jpg)

odurni commie-block blizu nove zadarske robne kuće (zgrada se raspada, a slici pridonose i stanari koji su zgradu temeljito "uredili" :bash: )
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/950/dsc006216hi.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006216hi.jpg)


arheološka iskopina blizu robne kuće
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8864/dsc006227qw.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006227qw.jpg)


TIZ gledan s druge strane
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3117/dsc006230ew.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006230ew.jpg)


mjesto na kojem će izniknuti jedrasti neboder, nadam se uskoro
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8831/dsc006267ad.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006267ad.jpg)


još jedan rudiment iz rata, blizu Veterinarske postaje na Bokanjcu (ovakvih stvari na samoj zadarskoj periferiji i u zaleđu ima izuzetno mnogo)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/763/dsc009027li.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc009027li.jpg)


Arena i 5 nebodera snimljeni s Bilog Briga
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4562/dsc009053tm.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc009053tm.jpg)


Arena
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3088/dsc009132wu.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc009132wu.jpg)


uvala između kopna (lijevo) i poluotoka na koji se vežu trajekti, snimljeno u teški sumrak. široki neboder je najstariji neboder u zadru, popularno zvan Bagatov Neboder, iza njega je južni od "2 nebodera".
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2215/dsc009384hq.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc009384hq.jpg)


a ovo je nešto što se skuplja u mojoj sobi već jako dugo... :D i sve je precizno...
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8895/dsc010416ur.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc010416ur.jpg)


warp 9 kroz Malu Kapelu :D engage!
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1357/dsc010878pd.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc010878pd.jpg)



(slike su temeljito reducirane cropanjem i smanjivanjem)


slijedi update na zagreb threadu :cheers:

bubach_hlubach
October 18th, 2005, 03:15 AM
Ova mi je najbolja - podsjeca me na putopisne reportaze iz Nepala pod redateljstvom Zeljka Malnara :D

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/950/dsc006216hi.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc006216hi.jpg)

:cheers:

SinCity
October 18th, 2005, 05:24 AM
Excellent pics Endiminion17! That TIZ Redevelopment looks massive and the new Arena is starting to look cool.

BTW where is this ugly thing? :D ....

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/950/dsc006216hi.th.jpg

bubach_hlubach
October 18th, 2005, 05:36 AM
^^ I believe it is somewhere in Nepal or Bangladesh :D :jk:

:cheers:

SinCity
October 18th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Its one of those really old 50s apartment complexes that needs to get knocked over which thankfully is far and few in Zadar. Most apartment complexes are those nice white commie blocks. :D

Its interesting to see that after a decade there are still quite a few war damaged properties on the perifery of Zadar. They should bulldoze them. Most of them were probably illegally built by those former citizens anyway.

SinCity
October 18th, 2005, 05:47 AM
još jedan rudiment iz rata, blizu Veterinarske postaje na Bokanjcu (ovakvih stvari na samoj zadarskoj periferiji i u zaleđu ima izuzetno mnogo)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/763/dsc009027li.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc009027li.jpg)


Endiminion17, how does Bokanjac and Bili Brig look like these days?

Has there been more houses and apartments built? I havent been there for several years.

Whats the situation opposite the Kolodvor? Have they done anything there?

So many questions I have regarding my former home city. :D

bubach_hlubach
October 18th, 2005, 06:01 AM
Its interesting to see that after a decade there are still quite a few war damaged properties on the perifery of Zadar. They should bulldoze them. Most of them were probably illegally built by those former citizens anyway.

hahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

that was a good one :D

p.s. i agree ;)

:cheers:

OettingerCroat
October 18th, 2005, 07:34 AM
^^you got my backing SC and bbch

Endimion17
October 18th, 2005, 10:41 PM
Endiminion17, how does Bokanjac and Bili Brig look like these days?

Has there been more houses and apartments built? I havent been there for several years.

Whats the situation opposite the Kolodvor? Have they done anything there?

So many questions I have regarding my former home city. :D


Bokanjac je dobio susjeda - Novi Bokanjac :D
Većinom je u urbanističkom neredu, tako nekako.
A Bili Brig je i dalje 110m visoki brijeg na kojemu se ništa zanimljivog ne događa, jedino je zanimljivo na dočeku Nove Godine :D

Nasuprot Kolodvora se gradi, i to masivno, u gradskim okvirima. Ne znam točno što, ali ima dosta novih stvari u okolici. Svugdje po gradu zapravo niču staklasto-pastelne zgrade do 3-4 kata, ništa posebno. Ali je i to dobro.

Endimion17
October 18th, 2005, 10:53 PM
jednom, kad budem imao malo više vremena (i ako se sjetim) slikati ću vam Bagatov neboder i skenirati sliku iz (valjda) 50-ih, kad se izgradio. Djed mi je pričao da je to bila senzacija, tamo su stanovali samo vojni dužnosnici.
Neboder je u izvrsnom stanju što se tiče statike, izuzetno je kvalitetan po pitanju betona, ali fasada mu je (očito) nakon 50-ak godina izgubila prvotnu svijetlo smeđu boju. Sad je onako, očajna. No, gradski oci, od kojih je većina glupa kao k****, sjetili su se investirati u obnovu. A rezultat možete vidjeti na onoj sumračnoj sliki gdje se vidi i Jadrolinijin trajekt.
Pola nebodera je obojano u neku kaki boju, a pola je ostalo očajno, s tim da je obojana polovica obojana mjestimično, kao kiša u vremenskoj prognozi. :bash:

Unutrašnjost nebodera je izuzetno prostrana, u sredini je šupalj, a sredina krova je od staklenih cigli. Nikad nisam uspio provaliti na krovnu terasu, a pogled je sigurno predivan. Stanovi su raspoređeni po obodu građevine tako da imaju dosta svjetla. Opet, tu je problem idiota koji nagrde zgradu tendama i krpama, ali to su relativno regulirali, pa su ljeti već godinu dana sve tende tamno zelene.

SinCity
October 19th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Bokanjac je dobio susjeda - Novi Bokanjac :D
Većinom je u urbanističkom neredu, tako nekako.
A Bili Brig je i dalje 110m visoki brijeg na kojemu se ništa zanimljivog ne događa, jedino je zanimljivo na dočeku Nove Godine :D

Nasuprot Kolodvora se gradi, i to masivno, u gradskim okvirima. Ne znam točno što, ali ima dosta novih stvari u okolici. Svugdje po gradu zapravo niču staklasto-pastelne zgrade do 3-4 kata, ništa posebno. Ali je i to dobro.

Hvala puno na reportažu. Nadam se da ću naći mnogo novi stvari kad stignem tamo.

Otvorenjem "Bagatov" neboder bila velika senzacija za Zadar. I tako su meni dosta puta pričali stari .....

Endimion17
October 24th, 2005, 08:06 PM
SC, are your parents from Zadar, or even grandparents? From Zadar or nearby?

SinCity
October 25th, 2005, 12:45 AM
SC, are your parents from Zadar, or even grandparents? From Zadar or nearby?

Yep. My parents, grandparents, great grandparents are all locals. I was born in Zadar too BTW. When I go back I spend most of my time between Zadar and Zagreb. :)

Endimion17
October 25th, 2005, 01:00 AM
Yep. My parents, grandparents, great grandparents are all locals. I was born in Zadar too BTW. When I go back I spend most of my time between Zadar and Zagreb. :)


who knows, I might even know your folks or grandfolks ;)
if you say "locals", i mean zadar and/or island(ugljan), for the rest of the area i am a clueless ignorant

SinCity
October 25th, 2005, 01:06 AM
who knows, I might even know your folks or grandfolks ;)
if you say "locals", i mean zadar and/or island(ugljan), for the rest of the area i am a clueless ignorant

My parents are from nearby Zadar but not the actual city. Not even 15-20 minutes drive by car, so they are sort of locals. :D

I was born and lived the early years of my life on Poluotok ... right in the heart of the old city. Lucky me! :)

My relatives these days live mainly in Zadar suburbs such as Bili Brig, Diklo & Borik.

SinCity
October 26th, 2005, 06:31 AM
Anyway, on the weekend I watched a video my cousin sent me of his kids holy communion in Zadar. One part of the video showed the sea flutes in action. I couldn't believe what they do. I was quite impressed. :yes:

At first I thought it was music on the video and then I realised there were tourists wondering around looking at something on the Zadar waterfront when I realised it was the sea flutes. I gather the tidal waves whacking into some channels below was making the effect. Quite a melody at that!

I wonder if it goes on all night too because it seemed unstoppable and I dont know if people in nearby apartments would be pissed off listening to it all day and all night LOL. :D

Quite a pleasant sound IMO. :cool:

Endimion17
October 27th, 2005, 12:35 AM
Anyway, on the weekend I watched a video my cousin sent me of his kids holy communion in Zadar. One part of the video showed the sea flutes in action. I couldn't believe what they do. I was quite impressed. :yes:

At first I thought it was music on the video and then I realised there were tourists wondering around looking at something on the Zadar waterfront when I realised it was the sea flutes. I gather the tidal waves whacking into some channels below was making the effect. Quite a melody at that!

I wonder if it goes on all night too because it seemed unstoppable and I dont know if people in nearby apartments would be pissed off listening to it all day and all night LOL. :D

Quite a pleasant sound IMO. :cool:


yes, I actually remember I told I'll make a short clip about it, but that never happened, due to lack of time I had...
Never mind, I'll do it someday for sure.

The thing is called "Morske orgulje" (sea organ) and is one of the most unfu*kingbelieveable things ever happened to Zadar. :D
It is a 70m long instrument embedded into the riva (unfortunately, I couldn't watch it being assembled). It has 7 sections with 5 tones each, 35 tones total.
It basically looks like common stairs, going up to the north and east. Each stair has a stone grill for each tone, and at the top of the stairs, there is a hole for each tone. Inside, there used to be plastic whistles, but those bent so new ones (procrome) were installed.
Basically, it works like this. Sea wave comes near the opening (below the sea line) and forses the air inside to swirl through the whistle, and after that into the resonance chamber (which makes the riva vibrate), and through the grill and holes - out.
This creates, what I called the first time I went there, a mermaid song. It's like you never want to leave it. :D
It is the only one of its kind in the whole world, and it is just a part of a "Monument of the Sun", which will implement a big circular area with solar panels gathering electricity to send a strong light pillar in the air during the night (like WTC Tribute) marking the existence of the city from far away.
In front of the whole thing, will be a new sea fountain, bigger than the one installed near popular "Điga".

You asked about the complaints. The thing is, sound holes are directed upwards, and the grilles are directed towards the sea, so nothing of the song can be heard even 50m away. There are no inhabited buildings in that radius.

I've been there couple of times now, during all kinds of weather.
The song is different EVERY time. It's the nature playing. When it's calm, and the sea is pace, you can hear (faintly, though) TOOOOOT, TOOT, TOOOOOOOOOOT in all kinds of variances, and when large ship passes, leaves a huge wave which generates a TOOO#$ZU%&HU%UZTRTEZJWRTTVEOOOOOOT :D
During the extreme storms, when violent, huge waves reach the top of riva, the song is HORRIBLY intense, and there is infrasound generated, too, so your body vibrates, and you feel melted with the storm. It has to be felt to be comprehended. Awesome indeed.
The song is not a messy bunch of tones, though. They are mathematical, and by that - very pleasant.

It's all imagined, the whole project of lower Poluotok renovation, by Nikola Bašić, one of the great zadar architects that live today. He's so simple, no matter he's in charge of everything around here, TIZ redevelopment, The Zadar Mall, etc....

SinCity
October 27th, 2005, 12:51 AM
^^ The Sea Organ spun me out. I had to watch it again last night. So simple but very effective. Like one large pan flute. He's abviously a great architect ... :master:

Kommandant Mark
November 14th, 2005, 01:07 AM
Zadar Arena construction progresses...another new venue for GoodYear League:okay:

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/8228/zadararena0ov.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

long foot
November 14th, 2005, 10:39 AM
thanks KM, arena will be a masterpiece of architecture ;)

sack of spuds
November 18th, 2005, 12:31 AM
I'd like more updates on Zadar construction PLEEEASE!!

I hear there are plans for a golf course to be built in the Borik/Diklo area. True?

Walter Wolf
November 18th, 2005, 01:08 AM
Zadar is the where Adam and Eve were created!

SinCity
November 18th, 2005, 02:59 AM
I'd like more updates on Zadar construction PLEEEASE!!

I hear there are plans for a golf course to be built in the Borik/Diklo area. True?

Interesting. I'll see if I can find more info.

Walter Wolf
November 28th, 2005, 03:04 AM
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/dokumenti/traziliste/prezentacija_basic/male/Picture3.jpg

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/dokumenti/traziliste/prezentacija_basic/male/Picture1.jpg

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/dokumenti/traziliste/prezentacija_basic/male/Picture12.jpg

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/dokumenti/traziliste/prezentacija_basic/male/Picture4.jpg

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/dokumenti/traziliste/prezentacija_basic/male/Picture6.jpg

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/dokumenti/traziliste/prezentacija_basic/male/Picture10.jpg

http://www.grad-zadar.hr/dokumenti/traziliste/prezentacija_basic/male/Picture11.jpg

SinCity
November 28th, 2005, 03:21 AM
This looks pretty cool. Any more info?

Walter Wolf
November 28th, 2005, 03:24 AM
Pictures say a thousand words my friend :)

SinCity
November 28th, 2005, 04:31 AM
Thats over on the west side just before the suburb of Borik?

Walter Wolf
November 28th, 2005, 04:41 AM
sure is SinCity.

the whole Riva is being developed.

starting soonish!

SinCity
November 28th, 2005, 04:49 AM
Cool, that stretch of waterfront needed it.

Really nice spot as well. I sat there numerous times at the cafes drinking beer on a nice summer afternoon looking towards Zadar and the islands. :drool:

mic of Orion
November 28th, 2005, 05:40 PM
WOW, spectacular, hope you get bigger pics WW

sack of spuds
November 30th, 2005, 05:28 PM
Great stuff. Keep us posted!

Endimion17
December 9th, 2005, 01:59 AM
Great! ;)

btw, expect some stuff from me, too. I'm off to zadar very soon. there'll be some images from the top of Sveta Stošija (55m) I hope
plus the TIZ update... I wonder if they started the 15floor tower base...

SinCity
December 9th, 2005, 02:05 AM
^^ Thanks Endiminion17. Look forward to your reportage. :okay:

Walter Wolf
December 10th, 2005, 01:13 PM
ZADAR - Zadarski gradonačelnik Živko Kolega jučer je oštro odgovorio na prekjučerašnje tvrdnje o luci Gaženici i spojnoj cesti, tj. na izjavu predsjednice zadarskog SDP-a Ingrid Antičević Marinović. Štoviše, optužio ju je za podmetanje.
Izjave Ingrid Antičević Marinović netočne su i tendenciozne, baš kao i ona prije nekoliko dana da se aktualna zadarska vlast zauzimala za autocestu Split-Knin-zapadna Bosna-Zagreb, iako je već gradnja Masleničkog mosta u službi autoceste 1993. bila prvi korak prema gradnji autoceste kroz Velebit i preko Like izjavio je za Večernji list Živko Kolega i optužio bivšu koalicijsku vlast da je baš ona pokušavajući raskinuti ugovor s Bechtelom željela preusmjeriti autocestu kroz Bosnu.

Živko Kolega tvrdi da Ingrid Antičević Marinović podmeće i danas kad se četverotračna cesta Zadar II - Gaženica već gradi ondje gdje je zemljište otkupljeno ili je u državnom vlasništvu.

Za luku Gaženicu za koji tjedan bit će zatražena lokacijska dozvola, a tada slijedi izrada idejnog projekta koji će omogućiti dobivanje načelne građevne dozvole koju očekujemo do polovice 2006. godine. Kad je dobijemo, počet ćemo nasipati luku, što znači da će se tada zapravo početi graditi. Dok traje nasipanje, izradit će se i potrebna dalja dokumentacija za ishođenje same građevne dozvole.

To što Ingrid Antičević Marinović uvijek krivo i tendenciozno čita proračun njezin je problem, a sve ovo može provjeriti pođe li na trasu ceste Sukošan-Zemunik. Tada će vidjeti da se cesta gradi zaključio je Kolega.

Looks like the Huge Marina Project is one step closer to becoming a reality! :)

long foot
December 10th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Great! ;)

btw, expect some stuff from me, too. I'm off to zadar very soon. there'll be some images from the top of Sveta Stošija (55m) I hope
plus the TIZ update... I wonder if they started the 15floor tower base...

Čitam u novinama da je jučer izbio požar u novoj zgradi TIZ-a. Znaš li išta o tome?

long foot
December 10th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Vjerovali ili ne, upravo sam slušao zvuke famoznih morskih orgulja u Zadru (preko mobilnog telefona) i moram reći da je stvar :bow:
Tako da bih bih zamolio cijenjenog Endimiona (ako je već u Zadru) da nam dostavi što je više moguće podataka o ovom modernom glazbenom čudu: fotke, zvuk, sve ;)

bambam
December 11th, 2005, 12:36 AM
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20050608/images/KUL1A.jpg

Endimion17
December 11th, 2005, 01:32 AM
je, ali navodno maleni požar... priča se da je radnik bacio opušak u kadu punu stiropornih ploča, tako nekako.

ne brinite se, potrudit cu se slikati sto vise, makar dušu ispustio :D:D:D


TIZ je ZAKON. to je nevjerojatno, toliko bijele zgrade da ostaneš bez teksta. i tako elegantne... uz more :cheers:

SinCity
December 11th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Vjerovali ili ne, upravo sam slušao zvuke famoznih morskih orgulja u Zadru (preko mobilnog telefona) i moram reći da je stvar :bow:
Tako da bih bih zamolio cijenjenog Endimiona (ako je već u Zadru) da nam dostavi što je više moguće podataka o ovom modernom glazbenom čudu: fotke, zvuk, sve ;)

Its pretty cool. My cousin sent me a video a couple of months ago and it had the sea flutes in action. You have to see it to believe it. :yes:

Endimion17
December 12th, 2005, 02:05 AM
hm, the only thing that stopped me from further taking of photos is the capacity. 256MB :hm:
I have a whole bunch of videos too, but it is an enormous bura here and you might be irritated by my shaking and the sound...

hey, did you know that new buildings on TIZ land have an active facade?
you can "delete" the windows and turn the whole thing into one single white block!
it is awesome. :cheers:
the site for the tower is still not cleared, and there's still one old TIZ hall (looks like those post-bomb structures in Hiroshima)
the problem is that the whole project (HUGE surface) is taking too slow.
i would provide you a map of the entire project but the official city page is down (I WONDER WHY! :bash: )

ps: I couldn't climb to sv.stosija, but never mind.

Walter Wolf
December 12th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Great! ;)

btw, expect some stuff from me, too. I'm off to zadar very soon. there'll be some images from the top of Sveta Stošija (55m) I hope
plus the TIZ update... I wonder if they started the 15floor tower base...

i have been talking to some guys about TIZ, there seems to be some buildings that are on hold due to financing...sales and leasing has been slower than expected.

then again this could only be hearsay!

SinCity
December 12th, 2005, 04:14 AM
TIZ is a great project but I am bit disappointed at the pace its progressing. So far from what I've seen it is rather sophistacted in design. :yes: I cant wait for the 17 level office tower to be built.

SinCity
December 12th, 2005, 04:18 AM
Endiminion17, here are the maps to the TIZ redevelopment ....

http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/plan%20grada/Tit_lokacija.jpg

http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/tiz/Tiz_nacrt_7.gif

Endimion17
December 12th, 2005, 09:26 PM
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=110&pid=497

here, this is from official pages of city of Zadar, ~700kb, very detailed map.

Endimion17
December 12th, 2005, 09:28 PM
double post

Nibnub
December 13th, 2005, 01:04 AM
coool...

Walter Wolf
December 13th, 2005, 05:14 AM
Dosadašnje kašnjenje od sedam mjeseci za izradu dokumentacije vrijedne 2,7 milijuna kuna izazvano je, objašnjava ravnatelj Lučke uprave Ivica Burić, zahtjevnim radovima na brojnim podlogama nužnim za lokacijsku dozvolu
Idejno rješenje za novu trajektnu luku u Gaženici, koje uz pomoć kooperanata izrađuje Građevinski fakultet iz Zagreba, trebalo bi biti gotovo tek početkom veljače iduće godine, dakle devet mjeseci nakon ugovorenog roka. Ravnatelj Lučke uprave Zadar Ivica Burić kaže da je dosadašnje kašnjenje od sedam mjeseci za izradu dokumentacije vrijedne 2,7 milijuna kuna izazvano zahtjevnim radovima na brojnim podlogama nužnim za dobivanje lokacijske dozvole. Bez lokacijske dozvole, dodaje Burić, nije moguće započeti nasipanje mora u Gaženici na mjestu gdje se planira proširenje operativne obale, kao ni silazak prometa s kilometar dugog nadvožnjaka spojne ceste od čvora Zadar 2 do Gaženice.

Garancije
- Dobili smo usmene garancije da će idejno rješenje biti završeno početkom veljače. Lokacijska dozvola nam je važna ne samo zbog početka nasipanja koje planiramo za kraj idućeg ljeta, nego i za razgovor sa zainteresiranim kreditorima. Tako su već napravile lučke uprave u Rijeci i Pločama, a napravit ćemo i mi, naravno, uza sva potrebna jamstva države koja će nam, vjerujem, biti osigurana, kaže ravnatelj Lučke uprave Zadar.

Studija isplativosti
Da bi razgovor s kreditorima, među kojima se zasad najčešće spominje Europska banka, bio što učinkovitiji, Lučka je uprava od IGH iz Zagreba naručila studiju isplativosti za Gaženicu. Rok za izradu studije vrijedne 170 tisuća kuna je kraj siječnja 2005. Cilj studije je da državi i ulagačima ukaže koliko je sredstava potrebno investirati u Gaženicu za njenu punu aktivaciju, koji su očekivani prihodi od rada trajektne luke, te procjenu brzine vraćanja uloženih sredstava.

Direktne pogodbe

Posao izrade projektne dokumentacije za Gaženicu Lučka je uprava izravno pogodila sa zagrebačkim Građevinskim fakultetom u prosincu 2004. godine, nakon poništenog javnog natječaja, s rokom od 150 radnih dana. Prednost na natječaju tada su dobile tvrtke Marinaprojekt Nikole Bašića, IGH Zagreb i Rijekaprojekt iz Rijeke. Nakon što je posao ugovoren direktno, pojedinci iz preferiranih tvrtki angažirani su od strane Građevinskog fakulteta kao podizvođači. Na izradu idejnog rješenja i stručnih podloga za Gaženicu tako se čeka dulje od godinu i po dana.

Endimion17
December 15th, 2005, 10:49 PM
snimke za JAKE bure koja još nije raščistila nebo. primijetite titravo more i zamislite kako je teško hodati okolo ;)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5156/dsc033503rt.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033503rt.jpg)
temelji još jedne zgrade, za sada treće. nije neboder.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3484/dsc033516rw.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033516rw.jpg)
vrh prve zgrade

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1176/dsc033522hs.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033522hs.jpg)
prva zgrada, obratite pozornost na aktivnu fasadu

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3103/dsc033555qp.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033555qp.jpg)
šupljina kroz koju će bura bacati prolaznike s nogu...

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7347/dsc033568yp.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033568yp.jpg)
snimljeno s baze veslačkog kluba

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6706/dsc033605gp.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033605gp.jpg)
kip kreše ćosića na spoju poluotoka s kopnom

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/658/dsc033626dk.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033626dk.jpg)
kazalište lutaka, treba izuzetnu rehabilitaciju, ali nikog nije briga

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2062/dsc033655rp.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033655rp.jpg)
"peglica", sada sjedište centra za poduzetništvo i još nekoliko malih tvrtki

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8559/dsc033668bf.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033668bf.jpg)
lipotica, masivna i ogromna zgrada koja se proteže i dalje, iza.
OGROMNA je, ali je valovita i bijela pa je ugodna i uklapa se u okoliš. u podnožju ima masu dućana.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2458/dsc033692cq.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033692cq.jpg)
zadar trade center i veslački klub, renoviran (prije je bio smeđe žute boje)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7392/dsc033750xx.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033750xx.jpg)
zadar trade center

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3189/dsc033791gy.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033791gy.jpg)
nova šetnica prema rivi

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4855/dsc033831xk.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033831xk.jpg)
jedan od mnogo info panoa u gradu, ovaj prikazuje staru rivu, za vrijeme "stare italije"

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8804/dsc033936di.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033936di.jpg)
ista scena, ovaj put 2006. malo sablasno, što se mene tiče.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9140/dsc033909ks.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033909ks.jpg)
ekipa koja je ostala nakon što se razbježalo 40ak ostalih zbog mene... :D

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7929/dsc033957di.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033957di.jpg)
istočni pokrov rezonantne kutije orgulja, zapadni je identičan samo je... zapadno, LOL

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/282/dsc033989aj.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033989aj.jpg)
najviša oktava

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9910/dsc034004sn.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc034004sn.jpg)
najniža oktava, nije se dugo čistila, zimi ima puno života u moru pa bi bilo preskupo svako malo ribati, a i kamen bi se istrošio.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1464/dsc034047no.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc034047no.jpg)
već pomalo istrošeni plan obnove rive, vidi se spomenik suncu, itd.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2928/dsc034106tj.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc034106tj.jpg)
barkarjol koji spaja donji poluotok i "đigu" (primijetite Marasku ;) )

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/766/dsc034153qm.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc034153qm.jpg)
što to piše na trajektu? :nocrook:


uskoro, nadam se za dan dva, stiže nekoliko filmova, u paketu od 35MB.
morske orgulje, poluotok, orgulje i još malo orgulja. zvuk je prilično vjeran, iako je najbolje u živo.

SinCity
December 16th, 2005, 12:02 AM
WOW. :eek: Thanks for the pics of Zadar. :okay: Brings back a few memories.

I really love that new complex especially how the shutters create a uniform white facade. :yes: Very impressive complex. I just wonder when the 17 level tower starts.

bubach_hlubach
December 16th, 2005, 01:59 AM
Hvala na zgodnim fotkama, Endemija :okay:


Ovaj kompleks klasicistickih zgrada (zadarsko sveuciliste, correct?) uz obalu mi je uvijek plijenio paznju bas zbog svoje elegancije i redovitog odrzavanja. Samo, malo me zbunjuje prizor skela na procelju i kran, jer na nekim fotkama novijeg datuma cinilo mi se je kao da su te zgrade bile u besprijekornom stanju. Nadam se da ne provode zagrebacku praksu obnove frisko obnovljenih procelja ;)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8804/dsc033936di.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033936di.jpg)

Eh da, ako imas jos koju fotku "peglice", pogotovo s prednje strane. Zgrada mi je ful simpaticna, zbog svojeg uskog i mrsavog oblika. Izgleda mi nekako 'amsterdamski', malo neobicno za ovo podneblje :)

:cheers:

subreal
December 16th, 2005, 02:29 AM
@Endimion17

Znači, idu po fazama, sa malim vremenskim pomakom... :D Izgleda da je faza 1 gotova... ;)

http://www.gortan-zadar.hr/slike/tiz/Tiz_nacrt_7.gif

1. dva stambeno-poslovna objekta uz Obalu kneza Branimira (objekti br. 2 i 3),

2. jedan stambeno-poslovni objekt i jedan poslovni objekt u unutrašnjosti kompleksa (objekti br. 1 i 8),

3. poslovni toranj, poslovni centar i javna garaža u jugozapadnom dijelu kompleksa (objekti br. 4, 6 i 7),

4. jedan stambeno-poslovni objekt i četiri poslovna objekta, u sjevernom dijelu kompleksa, uz Ulicu Dr. Franje Tuđmana (objekti br. 5,9,10,11 i 12).

----------

Znači sada bi trebale slijediti zgrade 1 i 8, a onda je na redu neboderčić... :cheers:

btw. Ove prve dvije zgrade izgledaju super... :) Fasada je prva liga...
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1176/dsc033522hs.jpg

Endimion17
December 16th, 2005, 02:59 AM
Hvala na zgodnim fotkama, Endemija :okay:


Ovaj kompleks klasicistickih zgrada (zadarsko sveuciliste, correct?) uz obalu mi je uvijek plijenio paznju bas zbog svoje elegancije i redovitog odrzavanja. Samo, malo me zbunjuje prizor skela na procelju i kran, jer na nekim fotkama novijeg datuma cinilo mi se je kao da su te zgrade bile u besprijekornom stanju. Nadam se da ne provode zagrebacku praksu obnove frisko obnovljenih procelja ;)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8804/dsc033936di.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc033936di.jpg)

Eh da, ako imas jos koju fotku "peglice", pogotovo s prednje strane. Zgrada mi je ful simpaticna, zbog svojeg uskog i mrsavog oblika. Izgleda mi nekako 'amsterdamski', malo neobicno za ovo podneblje :)

:cheers:


kao prvo, check out the banner :D:D:D:D:D
stvarno "skyscraperish" LMAO
trude se, vidi se... :hm:

kao drugo, ali nemam slike peglice. mogu ti je slikati iz svih kutova, samo sto ces morati pricekati par dana.

treće, ne znam što je sa zadarskim sveučilištem, nisam imao dovoljno vremena za obići cijeli polutok. da, koliko se sjećam, te zgrade tamo su konstantno besprijekorno čiste. nedavno su obnovili obližnju skolu (OŠ Petra Preradovića), a također i jednu vrlo staru i ruševnu zgradu koja sad ima kupolu. Tamo je u blizini i Dom hrvatske mladeži, bivši "omladinski".
sad je sve sređeno, a pokraj je i jedna poslovna zgrada, vrlo moderna.

@subreal:
nadam se da će sad početi s neboderom, ali imam osjećaj da će to ostaviti za kraj.
ono što je najvažnije je to da ovo neće biti geto, nego ulicama ispresijecano urbano područje. s fontanama, staklom, kamenom itd.
bivši TIZ je bio OGROMNA prepreka, komad industrije gurnut u centar. autom se moralo skroz okolo.

SinCity
December 16th, 2005, 03:20 AM
Endiminion17, have they started the second phase on the expansion of the shopping centre in Zadar?

I keep checking out that facade. Your weren't wrong when you said it looked very impressive. The structures could almost turn into white cubes if all shutters were closed in tandem.

Endimion17
December 16th, 2005, 04:02 AM
Endiminion17, have they started the second phase on the expansion of the shopping centre in Zadar?

I keep checking out that facade. Your weren't wrong when you said it looked very impressive. The structures could almost turn into white cubes if all shutters were closed in tandem.


I'll honestly try to climb the southern of two skyscrapers in Velebitska ulica (I've got a friend at the top floor) and take aerial photos of the site. I haven't been up there for almost 2 years. :(
(last time I was throwing snowballs at the passengers lol )

white cubes - that's awesome ;););)

gwinczlav
December 16th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Thanks for the great pics Endimion. Pitty nobody cares about the puppet theatre. Have you seen what they built in Zagreb, Zadar should do the same. Looking forward to hearing sea organs.

long foot
December 17th, 2005, 04:51 PM
endimion kvala za slike. nažalost, obnova kazališta lutaka je prekrupan zalogaj za grad Zadar, zagrebačko je koštalo oko 50 milijuna kuna. država bi trebala pomoći Zadru u tom pogledu inače će kazalište potpuno propasti.

Endimion17
December 19th, 2005, 07:47 PM
http://rapidshare.de/files/9438462/zadar_11_12_2005.rar.html

evo, 35MB:
-morske orgulje s raznih udaljenosti (da dobijete dojam inteziteta zvuka)
-orgulje... orgulje
-orgulje
-VATROGASNI KOMBI WOOOO :D

ako vas ne zanimaju statični filmovi i imate škrti adsl, nemojte se ni truditi.

FredPerry
December 19th, 2005, 08:37 PM
Kako napreduje izgradnja dvorane i bazena?

Walter Wolf
December 20th, 2005, 06:55 AM
Gradnja trajektnog terminala u Gaženici tek 2007. godine
Pripreme za projekt kasne zbog toga što projektna dokumentacija nije napravljena u roku. Gradnja luke stajala bi 75 mil. eura što će se ostvariti međunarodnim kreditima
ZADAR - Pripreme za gradnju trajektnog terminala u Gaženici, najvećeg strateškog projekta Zadarske županije koji uživa i potporu države, kasne zbog izrade projektne dokumentacije.
Građevinski fakultet iz Zagreba, unatoč angažamanu kooperanata, nije u ugovorenom roku, a on je istekao u svibnju ove godine, završio idejno rješenje Gaženice za koje će dobiti 2,6 milijuna kuna. Uime Lučke uprave Zadar, koja je nositelj cijelog projekta, ravnatelj Ivica Burić najavio je ljetos kako će to rješenje biti gotovo u rujnu, ali taj je dokument završen tek ovih dana. Kašnjenje je zbog objektivnih razloga budući da je trebalo provesti dodatna istraživanja, opravdao je Burić zagrebačke profesore i njihove suradnike.
“U Zagrebu se uvezuje idejno rješenje, studija utjecaja na okoliš i stručne podloge za trajektni terminal u Gaženici s kojima se može tražiti lokacijska dozvola, rekao je to ravnatelj Burić, koji očekuje da bi tu dozvolu mogli dobiti u veljači iduće godine. S lokacijskom dozvolom može se započeti nasipanje u budućoj luci Gaženica. Međutim, studija utjecaja na okoliš koju je za 220 tisuća kuna izradila Rijeka projekt tek treba proći verifikaciju komisije Ministarstva zaštite okoliša koja ima zakonski rok od šest mjeseci da to učini. Nastojat ćemo da se taj postupak ubrza”, izjavio je nedavno Burić.
“Kada se studija odobri Lučka uprava će raspisati natječaj za izradu izvedbene dokumentacije, koja je podloga za ishođenje građevinske dozvole i stvaran početak radova koji se realno očekuje u 2007. godini.
Posao na izvedbenoj dokumentaciji procjenjuje se na desetak milijuna kuna i to je jedni novac koji se u 2006. očekuje iz Državnog proračuna”, kazao je Burić. Gradnja luke Gaženica procjenjuje se na 75 milijuna eura i ta će se investicija ostvariti kroz kredit međunarodnih banaka. Prva i za sada jedina koja je iskazala zanimanje za kreditiranje tog projekt bila je Europska banka za obnovu i razvoj čiji su predstavnici ovog ljeta razgovarali s ravnateljem Lučke uprave.

OettingerCroat
December 21st, 2005, 01:25 AM
^^awesome news about the ferry terminal

long foot
December 24th, 2005, 09:04 PM
Morske orgulje u Zadru, fotke i nacrti sa stranica www.d-a-z.hr

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/nagrade/UHA-nominacije-04/orgulje-zadar-1.jpg
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/nagrade/UHA-nominacije-04/orgulje-zadar-2.jpg
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/nagrade/UHA-nominacije-04/orgulje-zadar-4.jpg

SinCity
January 3rd, 2006, 03:40 AM
The expansion of the main shopping complex in Zadar will proceed this year. The complex which enters phase 2 will see an additional 23,000 sqm of floor space added.

Currently the works are suspended as an achaelogical dig has uncovered a vast Roman era necropolis. Currently more than 300 graves have been excavated with a wealth of artefacts uncovered. Many more graves are yet to be excavated.

Na proljeće nastavak gradnje Centra Relja

ZADAR - Nepovoljne vremenske prilike produljile su arheološka istraživanja rimske nekropole na lokaciji gdje će se graditi druga faza Trgovinskog centra Relja u Zadru.

U Centru Relja stoga na proljeće najavljuju početak gradnje druge faze u kojoj bi se postojeći robni centar kompletirao s natkrivenom tržnicom, dvoetažnom garažom, multipleksom te trgovačko-ugostiteljskim prostorom.

- Završetak druge faze, koja će se izgraditi na 23 tisuće metara četvornih, planiran je krajem 2007. godine - rekao je Mladen Mišković, direktor Trgovinskog centra Relja u kojem investiciju u taj projekt procjenjuju na 20 milijuna eura. Inače, arheolozi su na Relji do sada otkrili oko tristo grobova s vrlo vrijednim nalazima.

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/Image1.jpg

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/Logo.jpg

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/indexhr.html

mic of Orion
January 3rd, 2006, 06:11 PM
OK, got bored today so I was playing a bit with Google earth, anyways looked at Zadar and done some measurements, city of Zadar is 24sq.km (urban area 8x3km) just thought would be cool to have nice tram network, look carefully and came with 3 tram lines. OK Zadar has only 80 000 inhabitants and 3 tram lines (cost of building about 100 million U$) would be something to expensive, but hey I can always dream, lol, anyway I came with 3 routes, what do you think, SC you from Zadar, how viable would these lines be?

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9530/zadartramnetwork4yi.jpg

Green Tram Line - 7000m long, 15 stops -
Blue Tram Line - 5500m long - 12 stops -
Burgundy tram Line - 7500m long - 15 stops


all for now

BTW, happy new year ppl,...

OettingerCroat
January 3rd, 2006, 06:45 PM
geez that tram system would be awesome, to see some little mini cro-trams running thru the streets:
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/8514/crotram3section5lr.png
mike did you get my PM?

esseker
January 3rd, 2006, 07:27 PM
tramvajske linije izgledaju prilično izvedivo a prema veličini grada na slici i prilično potrebno :)

mic of Orion
January 3rd, 2006, 07:54 PM
geez that tram system would be awesome, to see some little mini cro-trams running thru the streets:
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/8514/crotram3section5lr.png
mike did you get my PM?

lol, looks cute, lol, sorry about PM, was very bussy and was away so I couldn't get back to you I have about 7-8 massages I need to get back to from ppl here,

OettingerCroat
January 3rd, 2006, 08:00 PM
no problem, just thought you might have accidentally deleted it or something ;)

Endimion17
January 3rd, 2006, 08:57 PM
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9530/zadartramnetwork4yi.jpg


not bad at all. I can only say that Zadar indeed needs either a renovation of bus lines or a tram network. two lines are enough, three would be expensive and nonefficient.

Today's bus lines are incredibly stupid and complicated. I can only say to you that I never met anyone from Zadar who knows bus directions, and which lines are there in the city. Hell, even I can't tell!
The lines are in a shape of number 8 :bash: and the stations are not marked in 90% of cases. Busses are not marked with directions, only numbers (yeah, if you're lucky!)

The most efficient and necessarry line would be a linear, horizontal tram line because Zadar's main density is spread parallel to the coast, because of historical reasons, making Zadar a city part coastal part on island:
Diklo-Dražanica-Brodarica-Voštarnica-Jazine-Ričina-Industrijska Zona

The adjacent line would be linear, vertical line:
Poluotok-Jazine-Voštarnica-Višnjik-Plovania-Bili Brig

Yeah, tiny Crotrams would be awesome, cause official colour of City of Zadar is blue, like Zagreb.
It would be very cool to hear:
"BOOONK... Sljedeća stanica je... Borik"
:nocrook:

mic of Orion
January 3rd, 2006, 09:34 PM
cool,
3- lines I thought woudl be cool but I guess 2 is better than nbone, lol.

Green Tram Line - 7000m long, 15 stops -
Blue Tram Line - 5500m long - 12 stops -
Burgundy tram Line - 7500m long - 15 stops

Endimion you from Zadar, I always thought you from Zagreb...

BTW Burgundy Line would be main line which goes along the coast, but as I don't know Zadar well I can only guess density of the districts on this map I thought it would be cool to cover most of the city with 3 lines, how would you cover the city I'll post clean map of Zadar...

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2281/zadar3nc.jpg

SinCity
January 3rd, 2006, 10:52 PM
You have 3 of us here from Zadar ..... me, Endiminion17 & Walter Wolf. :)

The tram idea is cool because the bus network isnt that great. I know as I have used it countless times to my disatisfaction. :(

The are some broad roadways in Zadar that can accommodate trams but the city centre is very conjested with narrow streets.

BTW, well done Mic on the idea. :okay:

number1
January 4th, 2006, 12:42 AM
The expansion of the main shopping complex in Zadar will proceed this year. The complex which enters phase 2 will see an additional 23,000 sqm of floor space added.

Currently the works are suspended as an achaelogical dig has uncovered a vast Roman era necropolis. Currently more than 300 graves have been excavated with a wealth of artefacts uncovered. Many more graves are yet to be excavated.

Na proljeće nastavak gradnje Centra Relja

ZADAR - Nepovoljne vremenske prilike produljile su arheološka istraživanja rimske nekropole na lokaciji gdje će se graditi druga faza Trgovinskog centra Relja u Zadru.

U Centru Relja stoga na proljeće najavljuju početak gradnje druge faze u kojoj bi se postojeći robni centar kompletirao s natkrivenom tržnicom, dvoetažnom garažom, multipleksom te trgovačko-ugostiteljskim prostorom.

- Završetak druge faze, koja će se izgraditi na 23 tisuće metara četvornih, planiran je krajem 2007. godine - rekao je Mladen Mišković, direktor Trgovinskog centra Relja u kojem investiciju u taj projekt procjenjuju na 20 milijuna eura. Inače, arheolozi su na Relji do sada otkrili oko tristo grobova s vrlo vrijednim nalazima.

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/Image1.jpg

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/Logo.jpg

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/indexhr.html


look at the gallery from this link.

i think they built the cheap version :bash:

on the model its closed but here open!

http://www.trgovinskicentar-zadar.hr/images/CIMG0532.jpg


extreme cheap!

OettingerCroat
January 4th, 2006, 01:49 AM
Ok, now i have another interesting transport proposal:

what should be done to connect the Zadar airport with the city?

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/6825/greaterzadararea7su.jpg

blue is the existing railroad, green is one of the existing roads to the airport...

from the airport terminal to Trg Sv. Stosije at the center of the old town its about 10.5 km in a straight line, and from the terminal to the main railway station is 9 km, also in a straight line.

should a simple additional railway line be built to go to the airport, or should a tram line be extended? ( :runaway: ) And no one mention shuttle buses plz... :lol:

number1
January 4th, 2006, 03:00 AM
Ok, now i have another interesting transport proposal:

what should be done to connect the Zadar airport with the city?

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/6825/greaterzadararea7su.jpg

blue is the existing railroad, green is one of the existing roads to the airport...

from the airport terminal to Trg Sv. Stosije at the center of the old town its about 10.5 km in a straight line, and from the terminal to the main railway station is 9 km, also in a straight line.

should a simple additional railway line be built to go to the airport, or should a tram line be extended? ( :runaway: ) And no one mention shuttle buses plz... :lol:



the city has so much place!

all the croatian cities must expire!

OettingerCroat
January 4th, 2006, 04:33 AM
:lol: expire znaci kada necemu prodje rok, kao mljeku ili rasprodajama

ti si mislio expand, kada se nesto rasiri ;)

:cheers2:

number1
January 4th, 2006, 04:42 PM
:lol: expire znaci kada necemu prodje rok, kao mljeku ili rasprodajama

ti si mislio expand, kada se nesto rasiri ;)

:cheers2:


haha imas prav! :D

rijec mi falila!!!!


puno hvala ;)

al znas sto mislim


na moj mali gup za zadar.

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/3963/gupzadarnumber16rz.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gupzadarnumber16rz.jpg

zadar with blocks in north.

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/9651/zadarblocks9ih.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zadarblocks9ih.jpg

SinCity
January 5th, 2006, 03:45 AM
Zadar is actually one of the few cities on the coast that have vast amounts of land for growth. The city can quite easily expand in all directions. :yes:

Regarding the transportation link from the city centre to the airport. I think buses are the best option. The airport gets reasonable use (mainly in the summer) but I myself believe it or not have never used Zadar airport. I always arrive or depart either from Zagreb or Split.

Zadar airport was occupied by Serbs during their bullshit "Krajina" and the airport sustained heavy damage and vandalism similar to that caused on Dubrovnik airport. It only reopened a few year ago.

SinCity
January 5th, 2006, 03:49 AM
Zadarski Kemoplast seli se u zonu Poličnik
Piše: D. Mijatović
Foto: Jure Mišković

ZADAR - Zadarski Kemoplast, poduzeće koje proizvodi plastične cijevi, a odnedavno i šahtove, preselit će se sa sadašnje lokacije u Murvičkoj ulici, koju su dijelili s propalom Vinilplastikom, u novu poduzetničku zonu Poličnik.

- Očekujemo polovicom mjeseca natječaj Općine Poličnik, kojoj smo uputili pismo namjere za kupnju 25 tisuća metara četvornih na kojima bismo podigli novi pogon i uveli novu tehnologiju - rekao je Dino Grbić, direktor Kemoplasta, koji je prije dvije godine kupila slovenska tvrtka Minerva žale.

Teren od 14 tisuća metara četvornih, na kojem je prije više od tri desetljeća podignuta tvornica, Kemoplast će prodati. Interesa za kupnju te lokacije ima, potvrdio je Grbić, osobito među graditeljima stanova, ali i trgovačkim kućama.

Novcem od prodaje terena na Murvičkoj ulici Kemoplast bi pokrio kredit koji su uz poček podigli vlasnici iz Slovenije i kojime su podmireni dugovi iz prošlosti od 40 milijuna kuna. Kemoplast je svoj radni pogon, nakon više od godinu dana što se u tvornici nije radilo, smanjio s 250 na 62 ljudi. To je, prema Grbićevim riječima, dovoljno za postojeću i planiranu godišnju proizvodnju od 300 tona plastičnih cijevi koje se koriste za kanalizaciju i vodovod.

OettingerCroat
January 5th, 2006, 06:49 AM
Zadar is actually one of the few cities on the coast that have vast amounts of land for growth. The city can quite easily expand in all directions. :yes:

Regarding the transportation link from the city centre to the airport. I think buses are the best option. The airport gets reasonable use (mainly in the summer) but I myself believe it or not have never used Zadar airport. I always arrive or depart either from Zagreb or Split.

Zadar airport was occupied by Serbs during their bullshit "Krajina" and the airport sustained heavy damage and vandalism similar to that caused on Dubrovnik airport. It only reopened a few year ago.

^^hear, hear :bash:

:bash: :bash:

mic of Orion
January 5th, 2006, 11:29 AM
Ok, now i have another interesting transport proposal:

what should be done to connect the Zadar airport with the city?

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/6825/greaterzadararea7su.jpg

blue is the existing railroad, green is one of the existing roads to the airport...

from the airport terminal to Trg Sv. Stosije at the center of the old town its about 10.5 km in a straight line, and from the terminal to the main railway station is 9 km, also in a straight line.

should a simple additional railway line be built to go to the airport, or should a tram line be extended? ( :runaway: ) And no one mention shuttle buses plz... :lol:

I don't think Trams would be best option, Zadar Airport is relatively small I think it had 150 000 passengers going through in 2005, it is a touristy airport which means it is heavily used during summer times and occasionally during winters...

I think Zadar Airport is served by bus provided by Croatian Airlines and I don't see need for any other connection, if Zadar Airport exceeded say 3 million passengers a year than alternative should be considered but until that happens I don't see the need for ott transport solution.. Nice try though :)

OettingerCroat
January 5th, 2006, 06:08 PM
oh i didnt know it was so small, i thought it was like 550.000 or something

OettingerCroat
January 7th, 2006, 08:21 AM
Kerum ne može graditi 124 stana

Kerumov projekt nije usklađen s GUP-om i PP-om po broju stanova, zelenim površinama i pristupu

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/01/04/kerum_v.jpg

ZADAR - Nakon što je ovih dana konačno dobio uporabnu dozvolu za stambenu zgradu na Relji, investitor Željko Kerum mora odgoditi početak gradnje druge zgrade na prostoru bivše Mljekare jer je Gradsko poglavarstvo uskratilo suglasnost na projekt.

Kerum je s partnerima Marijem Jukićem i Mladenom Viskovićem, kroz novoosnovano poduzeće Kerum-ing, namjeravao početkom ove godine početi gradnju stambene zgrade sa 124 stana, prema projektu Franceske Gotovine koja je bila autorica i stambenog zdanja na Relji.

Investitori su namjeravali sagraditi zgradu sa stanovima veličine od 40 do 50 četvornih metara, dakle manjih za kojima vlada potražnja na tržištu. Pri izdavanju građevinske dozvole državna je uprava zatražila od Gradskoga poglavarstva mišljenje o projektu koje je za investitora bilo negativno u odnosu na važeći GUP i prostorni plan.

- Taj projekt nije usklađen s GUP-om i PP-om po broju stanova, zelenim površinama i pristupu - pojasnila je Nives Kozulić, nadležna članica Poglavarstva.

Odredbe koje nisu navedene u GUP-u, nalaze se u PP-u, a pri izradi projekta, prema njezinim riječima, moraju se konzultirati oba dokumenta.

- Arhitektica je radila prema zakonu, odnosno po propisima GUP-a. Sad čekamo rješenje Poglavarstva, prema kojemu će se projekt prepraviti tako što tri manja stana moramo spojiti u jedan - objasnio je Jukić kojemu je Kerum prepustio stanogradnju u Zadru.

Kerum-ing planira u gradnju te zgrade s poslovnim prostorom i dvoetažnom garažom uložiti oko deset milijuna eura. Kad će početi gradnja, ovisi o ispunjavanju propisa i dobivanju građevinske dozvole za novi projekt. Dotad će se prostor bivšega pogona Mljekare, koji je Kerum kupio od Lure, srušiti i očistiti prema pravomoćnoj građevinskoj dozvoli. Taj je posao, na rok od 45 dana, Kerum-ing ugovorio s Diklo-kopom u vlasništvu Viktora Grancarića.

Grof će voditi stanogradnju na Višnjiku
Uz dovršenu zgradu Lignuma na Višnjiku, građevinska tvrtka Gortan počela je kopanje temelja dviju zgrada u čiju će gradnju investirati Hypo Alpe-Adria banka, a koje je preko svoje konzalting tvrtke Beta, koja je prije tri godine bila registrirana u Vukovaru te je tada premjestila sjedište u Zadar, kupila prostor Zadranka-građe u stečaju.

Iz dobro upućenih građevinskih izvora doznajemo da će stanogradnju na Višnjiku voditi Zvonimir Nižić Grof. Prema detaljnom planu tog prostora, uz Lignum do Kauflanda planirane su još tri zgrade s 80-ak stanova i podzemna zgrada. Projektant je tvrtka D&Z, a autor detaljnog plana Nikola Bašić. Četvrtu će zgradu podići zajedno Lignum i Elektromehanika sklad koja ima svoj teren.

Ballota
January 12th, 2006, 03:09 PM
Zadar is actually one of the few cities on the coast that have vast amounts of land for growth. The city can quite easily expand in all directions. :yes:


Da! To je nešto što se zbilja teško nalazi u Hrvatskoj! :okay:

Puno potencijala,koji glavešine valjda neće upropastit!

Ako ovako nastavi,Zadar će za 20-30 godina sustići Split!

:)

OettingerCroat
January 13th, 2006, 02:04 AM
^^ mislis danasnji split ;)

Ballota
January 15th, 2006, 07:46 PM
HRZ PC-9 iznad Zadra i Zemunika!

KRILA OLUJE!

http://forum.croplus.net/viewtopic.php?t=800

SinCity
January 20th, 2006, 04:36 AM
Australia's construction giant, Walker Corporation is planning to build a huge golf resort just outside of Zadar. A new housing estate to be also built would accommodate up to 4000 people and would have a marina. A new hotel and a luxury 5 star villa complex is also to be built. Total cost of the project would be in excess of 700 million dollars. The location is in the outer area of Sukošan to the south east of Zadar

Walker Corporation succesfully has completed many huge projects in Australia and internationally. The also built the Olympic Village for the 2000 Olympics Games held in Sydney :) ....

Australska tvrtka uložila bi 700 milijuna dolara u golf-terene
Piše: Dijana Mijatović

Sukošan (pictured)

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/01/19/sukosan_v.jpg

Australski Walker Corporation predviđa i gradnju naselja s hotelima i vilama koje može primiti 4000 ljudi te malu marinu

ZADAR - Uz Tankersku plovidbu, koja je Vladi poslala pismo namjere o ulaganju u Tusticu, područje elitnog turizma na kojem su predviđeni i golf-tereni, Općini Sukošan pismo namjere uputio je i australski Walker Corporation sa sjedištem u Sydneyju.

Ozbiljna tvrtka

Zadarski dožupan Danijel Kotlar i donačelnik općine Sukošan Davor Ročak primili su prekjučer direktoricu marketinga te australske tvrtke, koja je prethodni dan razgovarala s državnim tajnikom za turizam Zdenkom Mičićem.

- Riječ je o ozbiljnoj tvrtki čiji su predstavnici s nama razgovarali već nekoliko puta - objasnio je dožupan Kotlar, a to je potvrdio i Ročak.

Walker Corporation, čiji je vlasnik Lang Walker, ulagao je dosad u niz poznatih hotelskih kuća i trgovačkih centara u SAD-u i Australiji te u Olimpijsko selo u Sydneyju. Do mogućeg ulaganja u Tusticu Walker Corporation došao je preko Zadranina koji se bavi međunarodnim konzaltingom, a u ožujku žele predstaviti svoj projekt u koji su spremni uložiti i do 700 milijuna dolara. Predviđaju naselje otvorenog tipa koje može primiti 4000 ljudi. Uz terene za golf žele sagraditi hotele, vile s pet zvjezdica, prateće sadržaje i malu marinu.

Prostornim planovima Zadarske županije i općine Sukošan, koji je poslan na usklađenje s Uredbom o zaštiti priobalja, Tustica obuhvaća 500 hektara, a polovica tog pošumljenog zemljišta određena je za elitni turizam.

Javno-privatno partnerstvo

- Australci su izjavili da će se držati odredbi prostornog plana, a oblik njihova ulaganja bio bi javno-privatno partnerstvo - napomenuo je Kotlar.

No, kako je većina zemljišta u vlasništvu Hrvatskih šuma, o modelu ulaganja odlučit će država, a općinski čelnici Sukošana rekli su da će Vlada raspisati javno nadmetanje za koncesiju. Kako se Tustica nalazi na njihovu području, u Općini Sukošan pripremaju prostornu dokumentaciju, ali zbog vlasništva nad zemljom neće moći mnogo utjecati na dinamiku tog projekta o kojemu se govori već deset godina.

Okretanje Tankerske plovidbe prema turizmu

Iako je na ulaganju u Tusticu počeo raditi Stanislav Antić dok je bio direktor SAS-a, nakon njegove je smjene promotor toga projekta bio bivši župan Šime Prtenjača, uz tadašnjeg poglavara dr. Petra Kragića. Međutim, osim 300.000 dolara koliko je SAS u najtežim uvjetima morao platiti za idejno rješenje navodnim ulagačima iz SAD-a, u Tusticu se nije uložio ni dolar.

Prtenjača nije uspio pridobiti niti jednu Vladu za prenamjenu tog zemljišta, a kamoli za prodaju. Okretanjem Tankerske plovidbe prema turizmu, dr. Kragić je kao član Uprave ponovno aktivirao taj projekt jer želi da Tankerska plovidba svojim ugledom privuče ulagače.

:banana2:

Ballota
January 20th, 2006, 02:40 PM
Zadre,Zadre! Dobre vijesti za te! :hi:

’Hrvatski san’ seli u Zadar

IDEALNI ZADAR Da bi podigao potpuno novi grad na obali, Blagaiću treba minimalno između 5 i 15 milijuna kvadratnih metara terena. Uvjet je da na samom zemljištu nema izgrađenih objekata te da je veći dio terena položen uz more. A takvih zemljišta na zadarskom području ima i previše, kaže Blagaić

ZADAR - Splitski poduzetnik Vicenco Blagaić u srijedu je obišao Zadar, na čijem širem području već neko vrijeme traži alternativnu lokaciju za izgradnju svoga futurističkog megaprojekta - potpuno novoga grada na Jadranu za 100.000 stanovnika - poznatog pod radnim nazivom "Hrvatski san".

Sve još neslužbeno
- Pregovaramo oko nekih lokacija u okolici Zadra kao zamjenskoj lokaciji za Čiovo, ali još uvijek isključivo neslužbeno, unutar poslovnih krugova — kazao nam je mladi poduzetnik, ponovivši da otok Čiovo između Splita i Trogira nije jedina lokacija uz obalu o kojoj se razmišljalo prilikom osmišljavanja projekta koji je izazvao podijeljene reakcije hrvatske javnosti.
Zadar i zadarsko područje od početka su bili u igri, kaže Blagaić, napominjući da u obzir dolaze i druge pozicije uz hrvatski dio jadranske obale.
Da bi podigao potpuno novi grad na obali, sa svim sadržajima "modernoga mediteranskoga grada iz snova za 50 do 100.000 stanovnika", Blagaiću treba minimalno između 5 i 15 milijuna kvadratnih metara terena. Uvjet je da na samom zemljištu nema izgrađenih objekata te da je jedan, po mogućnosti veći dio terena, položen uz more. A takvih zemljišta samo na zadarskom području ima i previše, kaže Blagaić.

Prodaja pontona
Dolazak u Zadar 28-godišnji poduzetnik iskoristio je i za razgovore o prodaji pontona s prošlogodišnjeg Croatia Boat Showa, našega najvećeg nautičkog sajma, također u njegovu vlasništvu.
Pontoni od lani prodani su nakon sajma tvrtki Baotić i zadarskom Tankerkomercu, a velik interes za kupnju pontona vlada i među vlasnicima nautičkih marina na zadarskom području.

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.com/20060120/novosti03.asp

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Talijani će u Zadar mostom

http://www.iskon.hr/2006/01/19/0085007.17.jpg
I dok hrvatski stručnjaci za mostogradnju drže da je ideja čista futuristička utopija, Talijani imaju viziju. Megaprojekt izgradnje mosta koji bi povezao dvije obale za njih je izvediv projekt.

Megaprojekt arhitekta Giorgia de Romanisa kojim bi se premostilo Jadransko more, povezujući hrvatsku i talijansku obalu, prvi put je promoviran u svibnju prošle godine, sada je dobio i svoju web-stranicu www.ilpontesulladriatico.it.

Ta je ideja naišla na oštre kritike i protivljenja nekih hrvatskih stručnjaka za mostogradnju koji su je odbacili uz tvrdnje da je riječ o neizvedivoj zamisli, čistoj utopiji.

No, kako su u susjednoj Italiji posljednjih dana opet aktualizirane rasprave o premošćivanju Mesinskog prolaza, Berlusconijeva najvećeg projekta koji bi dijelom trebala financirati i Europska unija, most Ancona - Zadar opet se našao u žiži javnosti i stručnih rasprava.

Talijanski La voce objavio je tekst s naslovom "Most Ancona - Zadar, ideja živi".

Most Ancona - Zadar, prema izrađenom idejnom projektu, bio bi dug 120 kilometara i prosječno visok 40 metara. Koštao bi 20 milijardi eura, samofinancirao bi se prosječnom cestarinom od 100 eura, a u oba smjera bi moglo prolaziti 200 vlakova, dok bi autocesta preko mosta imala propusnost od 80 milijuna vozila godišnje.
http://www.iskon.hr/2006/01/19/0094007.17.jpg

http://www.iskon.hr/vijesti/page/2006/01/19/0079006.html

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Onda,kaj velite?

Split je popušija nebodere,a Zadar uz njih dobija i najduži most na Svijetu!

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

Mislite li da je most izvediv,koje su mu prednosti i mane,te naravno motivi Talijana da ga grade?

Krađa turista,možda,ha,ha? ;)

Živili!

:cheers2:

long foot
January 20th, 2006, 03:20 PM
mate zar ti išta vjeruješ talijanima? ;)

milivanili
January 20th, 2006, 07:24 PM
Pa nemogu vjerovat... sa mostom se povezat talijanima... tako nesto bi nikad u zivotu palo na pamet. Neznam jel to uopce izvedljivo...neznam ja sumljam i nemislim da ce ista od toga bit. (nisam pesimist :) )

bambam
January 20th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Ne viruj nikad talijanu kad se radi nesto o Zadru ili Istri.. za mene to zvuci ka da talijani spremaju novu invaziju na Dalmaciju... ili su se mozda tajno zdogovorili sa Sanaderom da im on proda ili ostavi Zadar ka ostetu zbog Esula pa im triba koridor priko Jadrana za tu novu koloniju! :bash:

No samo zamisli koliko visoka je ta cifra o kojoj se radi da se ga sagradi a koliko ce tek kostati to cudo odrzavati?!?

To je poput one pucke price kad je stara debela baba trla dlan da joj prodje dan :)

:cheers:

Ballota
January 20th, 2006, 11:29 PM
mate zar ti išta vjeruješ talijanima? ;)

Nevjerujem onoj fašističkoj polovici sa Berlusconijem na čelu!

S obzirom da je to njegov prijedlog,onda valjda ne.

Iako će bit zanimljivo pratit razvoj događaja oko toga! ;)

P.S. Što kažete na Hrvatski san u Zadru? Tu je valjda izvedivije nego u onom mafijaškom Splitu! :bash:

Ako tu ne upali ide se dalje na sjever,heh.

Zaista vrijedi ona "što južnije,to tužnije"! :bash:

OettingerCroat
January 21st, 2006, 01:24 AM
ovo je najveca pizdarija u svih vijeke vijekova hrvatske.

pa mislim koja bi to dosadna voznja bila, sad kada vec govorimo uvezi ovoj pizdariji. zaspao bih za volanom. vozijo bi se sat vremena u ravnoj liniji. neke bi ljude uhvatili panika kada nista ne bi vidjeli osim 30 km asfalta iza sebe, 30 ispred, and more svukuda okolo.

pa koliko bi ovo cudo kostalo para? kostalo bi vise nego GDP EU-a.

Ballota
January 21st, 2006, 02:03 AM
20 milijardi €! :D

Ili možda: 20 000 000 000€!

:runaway:

SinCity
January 23rd, 2006, 02:37 AM
Zadar is as crooked as it gets. There needs to be a big change at local government level otherwise no-one will see any big projects in the city.

I'm against the bridge. To me its a scar across the landscape and the new city proposal in place of Split sounds good but those bastards in the city govenment almost always religiously fuck everything up. :mad:

Walter Wolf
January 23rd, 2006, 02:09 PM
Jeli ovaj Blagaić normalan???

Bolje da stoji Kuci i drka kurac.

Walter Wolf
January 24th, 2006, 01:26 AM
Australia's construction giant, Walker Corporation is planning to build a huge golf resort just outside of Zadar. A new housing estate to be also built would accommodate up to 4000 people and would have a marina. A new hotel and a luxury 5 star villa complex is also to be built. Total cost of the project would be in excess of 700 million dollars. The location is in the outer area of Sukošan to the south east of Zadar

Walker Corporation succesfully has completed many huge projects in Australia and internationally. The also built the Olympic Village for the 2000 Olympics Games held in Sydney :) ....

Australska tvrtka uložila bi 700 milijuna dolara u golf-terene
Piše: Dijana Mijatović

Sukošan (pictured)

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/01/19/sukosan_v.jpg

Australski Walker Corporation predviđa i gradnju naselja s hotelima i vilama koje može primiti 4000 ljudi te malu marinu

ZADAR - Uz Tankersku plovidbu, koja je Vladi poslala pismo namjere o ulaganju u Tusticu, područje elitnog turizma na kojem su predviđeni i golf-tereni, Općini Sukošan pismo namjere uputio je i australski Walker Corporation sa sjedištem u Sydneyju.

Ozbiljna tvrtka

Zadarski dožupan Danijel Kotlar i donačelnik općine Sukošan Davor Ročak primili su prekjučer direktoricu marketinga te australske tvrtke, koja je prethodni dan razgovarala s državnim tajnikom za turizam Zdenkom Mičićem.

- Riječ je o ozbiljnoj tvrtki čiji su predstavnici s nama razgovarali već nekoliko puta - objasnio je dožupan Kotlar, a to je potvrdio i Ročak.

Walker Corporation, čiji je vlasnik Lang Walker, ulagao je dosad u niz poznatih hotelskih kuća i trgovačkih centara u SAD-u i Australiji te u Olimpijsko selo u Sydneyju. Do mogućeg ulaganja u Tusticu Walker Corporation došao je preko Zadranina koji se bavi međunarodnim konzaltingom, a u ožujku žele predstaviti svoj projekt u koji su spremni uložiti i do 700 milijuna dolara. Predviđaju naselje otvorenog tipa koje može primiti 4000 ljudi. Uz terene za golf žele sagraditi hotele, vile s pet zvjezdica, prateće sadržaje i malu marinu.

Prostornim planovima Zadarske županije i općine Sukošan, koji je poslan na usklađenje s Uredbom o zaštiti priobalja, Tustica obuhvaća 500 hektara, a polovica tog pošumljenog zemljišta određena je za elitni turizam.

Javno-privatno partnerstvo

- Australci su izjavili da će se držati odredbi prostornog plana, a oblik njihova ulaganja bio bi javno-privatno partnerstvo - napomenuo je Kotlar.

No, kako je većina zemljišta u vlasništvu Hrvatskih šuma, o modelu ulaganja odlučit će država, a općinski čelnici Sukošana rekli su da će Vlada raspisati javno nadmetanje za koncesiju. Kako se Tustica nalazi na njihovu području, u Općini Sukošan pripremaju prostornu dokumentaciju, ali zbog vlasništva nad zemljom neće moći mnogo utjecati na dinamiku tog projekta o kojemu se govori već deset godina.

Okretanje Tankerske plovidbe prema turizmu

Iako je na ulaganju u Tusticu počeo raditi Stanislav Antić dok je bio direktor SAS-a, nakon njegove je smjene promotor toga projekta bio bivši župan Šime Prtenjača, uz tadašnjeg poglavara dr. Petra Kragića. Međutim, osim 300.000 dolara koliko je SAS u najtežim uvjetima morao platiti za idejno rješenje navodnim ulagačima iz SAD-a, u Tusticu se nije uložio ni dolar.

Prtenjača nije uspio pridobiti niti jednu Vladu za prenamjenu tog zemljišta, a kamoli za prodaju. Okretanjem Tankerske plovidbe prema turizmu, dr. Kragić je kao član Uprave ponovno aktivirao taj projekt jer želi da Tankerska plovidba svojim ugledom privuče ulagače.

:banana2:


Da veels are in motion! :okay:

SinCity
January 24th, 2006, 02:53 AM
POS - Smiljevac (Zadar). An example of subsidised housing under construction in many Croatian cities ....

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/01/23/pos_v.jpg

Endimion17
January 24th, 2006, 10:43 PM
ovo je najveca pizdarija u svih vijeke vijekova hrvatske.

pa mislim koja bi to dosadna voznja bila, sad kada vec govorimo uvezi ovoj pizdariji. zaspao bih za volanom. vozijo bi se sat vremena u ravnoj liniji. neke bi ljude uhvatili panika kada nista ne bi vidjeli osim 30 km asfalta iza sebe, 30 ispred, and more svukuda okolo.

pa koliko bi ovo cudo kostalo para? kostalo bi vise nego GDP EU-a.


hm, s vrha stina iznad Telašćice na Kornatima se vidi Italija kao crta.
ipak, ne znam bi li se na sredini kopno stopilo s morem na visini od 40m.
to bi bia fantastican pogled ali ništa od toga.
održavanje bi bilo preskupo a zamislite tek strave, kako bi bilo voziti npr. kad je oluja.
Ma daj, pa munje bi LUPALE po mostu. Jugo bi ga smrvilo...
Ja u tome ne vidim ništa ozbiljnog. A u vezi s posljedicama po ekonomiju... ne znam.
Znam samo da je, kao što Sincity kaže, zadarska vlast korumpirana. To su pokvarene seljačine koje su do nekoć pasle ovce gori negdi u pripizdini, a sad kroje vlast po svojoj volji tradicionalno ribarskom mediteranskom gradu.
POS Smiljevac koji se sagradia je nikakve kvalitete. O tome se često čuje na TV, to su vam famozni "Čačićevi stanovi".
Izvana izgleda nekako lipo a iznutra je sranje. Gleda sam ja kako su to gradili. Ono je smeće, kažem vam.

Umisto da srede POLUTOK koji se RASPADA i jaki potres mu svaki put nanese štete, oni grade nekvalitetne stanove na periferiji.

Ja sam strašno protiv takve politike.
To mi skroz smrdi. Napuhivaju grad nekvalitetnim zgradama u koje se doseljavaju ljudi sa sjevera, a propada nam Centar, a Zadrani biže u druge gradove, najviše Rijeku.
Ka prvo, osiromašuju mjestašca na sjeveru, a ka drugo, taj balon koji prave će prsnuti virujte mi.

Di je Zadar iz doba Bagata? Ta je firma zapošljavala tisuće ljudi i grad je procvita zbog nje. Zna li tko Stanislava Antića?
Tip je nešto najbolje što se Zadru dogodilo a moglo se opet dogoditi, samo da nije HDZ sa seljačinama pustia korijenje ka drača.
Tip je sad u godinama, i mislim da mu je dosta svega. Pokuša se kandidirati za gradonačelnika kao neovisni kandidat, idući poštenim putem, ali su ga ove pizde zgazile. :bash:

Meni se zapravo sve to što uključuje ekspanziju Zadra nimalo ne sviđa. U tome ne vidim ništa dobroga. Uništiti će nam zrak, gužve će zakrčiti ceste.
Vidim što se Zagrebu dogodilo. Nekoć krasan grad sad ima jedva 20% Zagrepčana. Pa to je strašno.
Zadar ne proizvodi novac, on je pun dućana. Nema proizvodnje kapitala.
Zadar triba snažnu injekciju u poboljšanje postojeće infrastrukture i turizma.
Tribamo preuzeti natrag stvari tipa Borik kojeg su doslovno kupili Austrijanci.

Evo sad cu van uskoro pokazati slike, slikane za praznike. Nisan ima vrimena još ih staviti. ;)

SinCity
January 24th, 2006, 11:34 PM
^^ Youre very right Endiminion17 regarding Zadar. :(

Any Zadranin with ambition always leaves for another city, almost always its either Rijeka or Zagreb.

The thing that pisses me off the most is that this level of incompetance with the city government has gone on long enough to the point that people living in Zadar have accepted it as normal.

Each time I speak to my relatives they always mention the same issues. People need to vote these incompetant and corrupt bastards out of office and not continue to put up with it.

If I returned to Croatia, it would almost certainly be for a another city such as Split, Rijeka, Dubrovnik, Zagreb, etc. Zadar is always Zadar. It has potential but its a long way off from ever being realised. :ohno: At least its not Sibenik. :D

Endimion17
January 24th, 2006, 11:39 PM
At least its not Sibenik. :D

lol, this is totally fu*ed up :D I've heard that a couple of hundreds times...
I have no idea what's up with Šibenik, don't have any relatives there, I've just heard the situation is... not... very... good.

imageshack is lousy, too. it won't take 23 zipped photos, it just takes 5 and then blocks. :bash:

bubach_hlubach
January 24th, 2006, 11:42 PM
Ako te imageshack zahebava, odsurfaj na tinypic.com , njihov server radi ka urica. Meni jos nikad nije zakaza ;)

:cheers:

bubach_hlubach
January 24th, 2006, 11:55 PM
If I returned to Croatia, it would almost certainly be for a another city such as Split, Rijeka, Dubrovnik, Zagreb, etc. Zadar is always Zadar. It has potential but its a long way off from ever being realised. :ohno: At least its not Sibenik. :D

If i were you, i would not consider moving to Split or Dubrovnik. Split is not doing that great either, Dubrovnik is alright, but all jobs are strickly related to tourist industries.

Rijeka is pretty cool and very prosperous, so is Samobor, Varazdin and Cakovec - my favorites :okay:

I aint sure about Zagreb anymore, though, it's got strong economy, but this city isn't what it used to be like. It's gotten overpopulated and it is loosing its essential charm and identity that the city has especialy been known for.

:cheers:

SinCity
January 25th, 2006, 01:02 AM
Lately I've been leaning towards Rijeka. Zagreb is another favourite. However you are right on Split and Dubrovnik.

I prefer cities facing the sea. I just wish Zagreb was on the coast.

As for Cakovec, I'd have to give it a miss as I have had it up to my scalp with Cakovcani lately here in Australia .... toliko su me popizdili ovi zadnjih par tjedana ... :ohno: :D

mic of Orion
January 25th, 2006, 01:07 AM
I know few guys from Zadar and I was there for one of my holidays in late 80's as a kid.

Who runs the city council in Zadar, why is it so corrupt, I know there is loads of corruption in Split as this article shows...

http://www.iskon.hr/vijesti/page/2006/01/24/0020006.html

I think Zadar is nice city, perhaps clan up act is needed to bring it up a bit, but city has such a nice architecture and history...

mic of Orion
January 25th, 2006, 01:08 AM
Oh, I forgot what is happening with that 15 floor Office tower in Zadar, any news?

OettingerCroat
January 25th, 2006, 01:16 AM
Lately I've been leaning towards Rijeka. Zagreb is another favourite. However you are right on Split and Dubrovnik.

I prefer cities facing the sea. I just wish Zagreb was on the coast.

As for Cakovec, I'd have to give it a miss as I have had it up to my scalp with Cakovcani lately here in Australia .... toliko su me popizdili ovi zadnjih par tjedana ... :ohno: :D

lol sto su ti toliko lose ucinili?

SinCity
January 25th, 2006, 01:25 AM
I know few guys from Zadar and I was there for one of my holidays in late 80's as a kid.

Who runs the city council in Zadar, why is it so corrupt, I know there is loads of corruption in Split as this article shows...

http://www.iskon.hr/vijesti/page/2006/01/24/0020006.html

I think Zadar is nice city, perhaps clan up act is needed to bring it up a bit, but city has such a nice architecture and history...

Its a great city, loads of charm, history, potential, etc, but sadly too full of its own shit. The problem with Zadar is that in order to succeed you either need to have loads of cash to impress the right people or you need to have contacts. If you dont have contacts then you get pretty much nowhere.

Dont get me wrong as I love the place to bits but I wouldn't bother setting myself up there when there are better oportunities in other Croatian cities. Sure its made some progress, however it negligable to where the city could be these days.

My cousin here in Australia left for Zadar in 1996 and for a number of years he worked for the city government as one of their town planners. I know what goes on inside the place from what he used to tell me. He had a lot of knowledge which would have proven a big bonus for the city but those fuckers didn't want to hear his suggestions. Now he works for a private consulting firm in Zadar and is much happier. The problem is that a bunch of people in the council and local government aren't willing to change and will do anything to protect their positions inside and sabotage anyone they feel to be a threat to themselves and their interests.

mic of Orion
January 25th, 2006, 01:38 AM
:( sad

Walter Wolf
January 25th, 2006, 04:45 AM
this is all changing

its better than what it was.

Endimion17
January 25th, 2006, 07:18 PM
Oh, I forgot what is happening with that 15 floor Office tower in Zadar, any news?

There are no excavations yet. I will post photos in a short time, few hours at most.

Walter Wolf
January 25th, 2006, 10:22 PM
if you are referring to TIZ.

Sales have been slow and they are running short of funds for the other buildings, and not having an anchor tenant seems to be the most obvious reason.

Endimion17
January 26th, 2006, 01:13 AM
evo, nisu kronološki poredane:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5669/DSC00003_.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00003_.jpg)
otvorimo album jednom zgodnom slikom galeba koji se grije podmorskom vruljom kod rive

novogradnja:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6595/dsc000190sl.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000190sl.jpg)
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8562/dsc000184tw.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000184tw.jpg)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8647/DSC00016.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00016.jpg)
arena

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6255/dsc000340sy.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000340sy.jpg)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/808/DSC00031.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00031.jpg)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9059/DSC00029.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00029.jpg)
nasuprot SAS-a

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3620/DSC00030.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00030.jpg)
banka kod kluba i kina Gotham, kod SAS-a, samo se ne mogu sjetiti koja.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1045/dsc000445hr.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000445hr.jpg)
buduća Hypo banka kod autobusnog kolodvora

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6913/dsc000973ps.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000973ps.jpg)
novogradnja iza Hypo banke

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3411/dsc000826ao.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000826ao.jpg)
info pano PTC nin commerce

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4125/DSC00091.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00091.jpg)
PTC s vrha najvišeg nebodera

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9470/DSC00084.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00084.jpg)
poslovno trgovacki centar Nin commerce

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4229/dsc036126dy.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc036126dy.jpg)
TIZ sa sjeverne strane, već se vide naznake "plaze"

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7730/dsc036051sd.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc036051sd.jpg)
meni nevjerojatno lijepa zgrada u sklopu TIZ-a

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1397/dsc000584hc.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000584hc.jpg)
TIZ s vrha najvišeg nebodera


http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6867/DSC00105.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00105.jpg)
prolazio sam u trenu kad su rušili i devastirali stabla, ne znam zašto, valjda nešto zbog ceste. užas su učinili. ovo je kod glavne pošte, na spoju poluotoka s kopnom. posjekli su ogromne planate koje su davale mnogo lišća i činile vrlo lijepu sredinu, zaklanjale su one odvratne zgrade na sljedećoj slici.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5194/DSC00107.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00107.jpg)
pogled na uništeno područje

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4875/DSC00106.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00106.jpg)
glavna pošta (zuta zgrada desno)


http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4311/DSC00045.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00045.jpg)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6625/dsc000726pm.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000726pm.jpg)
najviši neboder u Zadru, spojen s drugom zgradom.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2309/dsc000352zj.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000352zj.jpg)
jedan od Lavčevićevih nebodera, sasvim dobro očuvan i čist


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1281/dsc000430ll.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000430ll.jpg)
8 Diklo

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/955/DSC00096.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00096.jpg)
5 Puntamika


http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4744/DSC00090.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DSC00090.jpg)
prema zapadu, lijevo je poluotok s zvonikom Sv. Stošije, TIZ, Lavćevićev neboder, 5 nebodera, iza svega u daljini je Diklo i Puntamika.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8682/dsc000893cq.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000893cq.jpg)
prema periferiji - avenija dr. ante starčevića i POS ("čačićevi stanovi")


http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4905/dsc000271iw.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000271iw.jpg)
jedan od 5 nebodera, još uvijek prepun ožiljaka rata (ovakve iste nebodere ima i Rijeka, od oko 18 katova, nasuprot Turnića)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3121/dsc000994sb.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000994sb.jpg)
nesuđena poliklinika koja već kojih >25 godina zjapi kao gradsko ruglo.
ne prije 2-3 mjeseca nad njom je bila dizalica, kojoj su se nosivi stupovi već toliko izlizali i korodirali da je postojala stvarna opasnost od rušenja na parkiralište i cestu pokraj zgrade. nisam nikad ulazio u ovu zgradu, opasna je. kad bi i krenuli s gradnjom, morali bi je rušiti, jer je čini se previše vremenski oštećena.

eto, imam još, ali nije zanimljivo. ;) uživajte.

bambam
January 26th, 2006, 10:42 AM
Idee für Gigant-Brücke zwischen Italien und Kroatien/Ideja o gigantskom mostu izmedju Italjie i Hrvatske

Adria überspannende Mammut-Konstruktion zwischen Ancona und Zadar würde eine Gesamtlänge von 120 Kilometern aufweisen/Duzina mosta koji ce se protezati priko Jadrana izmedju Ancone i Zadra bi iznosio 120km.

Eine Riesenbrücke zwischen der italienischen Hafenstadt Ancona und der kroatischen Adriastadt Zadar will der italienische Architekt Giorgio de Romanis bauen. Sie soll eine Gesamtlänge von 120 Kilometern haben, eine Höhe von 40 Metern aufweisen und 20 Milliarden Euro kosten. Das Projekt wird im Mai in Dubrovnik das erste Mal offiziell der kroatischen Öffentlichkeit vorgestellt, berichtete die kroatische Tageszeitung "Slobodna Dalmacija". (Ovdje se ulazi malo detaljnije o osnovnim podatcima mosta: 40 metara visok, dug 120 km, troskovi.. no i o tome da ce ovaj projekt prvi puta u petom mjesecu -neznam dali je to sada svibanj po hrvatskome- u Dubrovniku biti prestavljen hrvatskoj javnosit.

Auf einer künstlichen Insel zwischen Ancona und Pesara soll ein Terminal als Ausgangspunkt für Fracht- und Touristenschiffe entstehen. Diese künstliche Insel, der "Bauch Italiens", soll mit dem Festland mit Straßen und Eisenbahnstrecken direkt zu erreichen sein. Insgesamt könnten 20 Schiffe gleichzeitig an die Insel andocken, schilderte De Romanis. Kroatische Fachleute kritisieren das Vorhaben. (Na jedonom vjestacko sagradjenom otoku izmedju Ankone i Pesara bi trebao stojati Terminal koji bi bio glavno polaziste za turisticke i teretne brodove. Taj otok bi bio povezan sa zeljeznicom i cestama s kopnom. Ukupno 20 brodova bi moglo u isto vrijeme se ukrcati u luku. Hrvatski strucnjaci su taj projekt no vec sada kritizirali.)

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Opa, znaci tamo bi oni gradili luku za teretne brodove.. hmm, zbog cega upravo se pitam?

SinCity
January 26th, 2006, 10:43 PM
Thanks Endiminion17 on the cool pics. There are many new changes in Zadar which is what I had expected. Have they fully developed the area around the kolodvor or are there some vacate sites still nearby?

OettingerCroat
January 27th, 2006, 11:22 PM
Zadar: Hrvati iz Australije grade 250 stanova

Stambene zgrade Jadran investa na Višnjiku bit će prve u Dalmaciji s plinskim grijanjem

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/01/27/zadar_v.jpg

ZADAR - Na prostoru koji su zadarske vlasti svojedobno namijenile gradnji tehničke škole na Višnjiku otvoreno je gradilište na kojem će novi vlasnici 13.055 četvornih metara zemljišta sagraditi stambeno-poslovno naselje Višnjik.

Ulaganje je to Dalmatinaca koji žive u Australiji sjedinjenih u tvrtki Jadran invest čiji je direktor Mladen Ninčević, koji se i sam vratio iz Australije prije tri godine.

Zgrada s 200 stanova

Zemljište je lani kupljeno od Grada Zadra za 2,7 milijuna eura, a cjelokupna investicija u novi kompleks procijenjena je na 21 milijun eura. Prema projektu Franceske Gotovine, počela je gradnja triju manjih zgrada s ukupno 57 stanova i 12 poslovnih prostora koje će biti gotove u srpnju ove godine. Nositelj radova je građevinska tvrtka Meteorit koju su također osnovali investitori iz Australije, a radove izvode zadarski građevinari Duca, Heres i Trgogradnja.

To će biti prve stambene zgrade u Dalmaciji privatnih investitora, koje će imati vlastiti rezervoar za plinsko grijanje koje je najjeftinije, istaknuo je Ninčević. U drugoj fazi tog kompleksa, koji se gradi prema detaljnom planu koji je naručio i usvojio Grad Zadar, bit će samostojeća poslovna zgrada, prva takva u Zadru, te stambena koja će imati dvjestotinjak stanova.

Volja za povratak

Investitori su naručili i projekt za novu cestu, koja je u planovima Grada Zadra, da bi zaokružili potrebnu infrastrukturu.

Ninčević je nedavno bio u Australiji gdje je zainteresirao naše ljude za kupnju stanova, koje je Jadran invest uglavnom namijenio našim povratnicima, ali i domaćem tržištu.

Naš projekt ne znači samo ulaganje u stanogradnju, već je to i projekt povratka, budući da među našim ljudima u Australiji postoji velika volja i želja da žive u Hrvatskoj - ustvrdio je Ninčević.


Mladi investitori

U skupini koju čini Jadran invest uglavnom su Hrvati ispod 40 godina koji su rođeni u Australiji i ondje se bave građevinom, osim Tonija Popovića koji je nogometni reprezentativac Australije. - Prije tri godine odlučili smo krenuti u ovaj projekt jer nam je zajednička namjera ulaganja i povratka u Hrvatsku. Mene je dopalo da se prvi vratim jer imam petero djece u dobi kad se najlakše privikavaju -ispričao nam je Mladen Ninčević, koji ima 35 godina. Jadran invest već je sagradio 45 stanova te su kupili prostor bivše tvornice pašte Jadranka koji je dio budućeg detaljnog plana zajedno sa zgradom Maraske na kojem radi Nikola Bašić.

Endimion17
January 28th, 2006, 03:57 AM
Thanks Endiminion17 on the cool pics. There are many new changes in Zadar which is what I had expected. Have they fully developed the area around the kolodvor or are there some vacate sites still nearby?


oh, yes, there is PLENTY of space. I hope this could become "skyscraper land" some time in the future. It has a great location, not too far away, and not too close to Poluotok.
There are lots of open grass areas which look like a junkyard, only without junk. ;)

SinCity
January 29th, 2006, 11:34 PM
^^ Thats what I have always wanted to see on this location too. :yes:

I see there is plenty of Australian investment happening in Zadar. I'm not surprised because people from Zadar and surrounds form the largest community of Croatians in Australia. ;)

Endimion17
January 30th, 2006, 02:46 AM
yes, I believe even my neighbour lived in Sydney, and my relatives are in New York and New Yersey.
People from coastal areas and islands (it is applicable to the regions northwest of šibenik, excluding deep continental Dalmatia) went mainly to USA, Australia and Canada. That's nice, I could visit them, though I've never had any chance. :sleepy: