Hello Folks,

IMO there are lot of things happening in chennai but they all seem to be disorganized , what needs to be done first is done last because the authorities don't know the right priorities or it is unpopular or for personal gains.

Forumers please post your priorities .

Moderators please Feel free to delete this thread if you feel it is already present or not needed.

1) Proper Storm Water Drain & Sewerage.
2) Proper Storm Water Drain & Sewerage.
3) Proper Storm Water Drain & Sewerage.
4) Concrete roads or long lasting roads.
5) Inter connectivity between existing bus , MRTS , Sub urban trains , Metro through feeder services.
6) Creation of new parking areas which supports park and ride concept.
6) Proper maintenance of water bodies Lakes , rivers do we still have ?? etc.
7) Proper traffic signals, enforcement of lanes , speed , cctv cameras etc.
8) New bridges to ease traffic.

15) Something to improve chennai weather ?? Probably plant more trees as much as possible.

50) Mono rail.
2000) Conversion of TN assembly to Hospital.
2002) Conversion of Korattur library to child hospital.
2003) Create a new TN assembly building.

Hello Folks,

IMO there are lot of things happening in chennai but they all seem to be disorganized , what needs to be done first is done last because the authorities don't know the right priorities or it is unpopular or for personal gains.

Forumers please post your priorities .

Moderators please Feel free to delete this thread if you feel it is already present or not needed.

1) Proper Storm Water Drain & Sewerage.
2) Proper Storm Water Drain & Sewerage.
3) Proper Storm Water Drain & Sewerage.
4) Concrete roads or long lasting roads.
5) Inter connectivity between existing bus , MRTS , Sub urban trains , Metro through feeder services.
6) Creation of new parking areas which supports park and ride concept.
6) Proper maintenance of water bodies Lakes , rivers do we still have ?? etc.
7) Proper traffic signals, enforcement of lanes , speed , cctv cameras etc.
8) New bridges to ease traffic.

15) Something to improve chennai weather ?? Probably plant more trees as much as possible.

50) Mono rail.
2000) Conversion of TN assembly to Hospital.
2002) Conversion of Korattur library to child hospital.
2003) Create a new TN assembly building.

i agree with the first point but not on the second and third! ;)

My list:

1) Proper Storm Water Drain & Sewerage.
2) Proper trash management
3) River and Canal Restoration
4) More Trees

All infrastructure development can follow, but the basics have to be in place!

i agree with the first point but not on the second and third! ;)

hehe vinodgopal is in full form :D

Guys I am basically from Karnataka.... I have visited chennai umpteen times...

Its a typical Indian city with plus and minus here and there.... Let me put on few positive aspects of this metro...

1) Marina and its surroundings
2) Mount Road ( From my opinion, the best arterial road in south India atleast)
3) Most of the City buses have been renovated
4) Pubilc transport cheap and efficient compared to other cities... (Thanks to EMUs)
5) Core city certainly has wider roads ...
6) Good number of flyovers within city limits out of which most of them have been successful in decongesting the city
7) Ofcourse you can enjoy and hang out even with your half-empty pockets...
8) Entertainment----Corporate of Kollywood.... Kollywood does produce reasonably better movies next to bollywood or sumtimes even better.
9) Health care, Education facilities...

Negatives:
1) Need more Bus depots with multi level parking facilities....
2) Development authorities need to plan more number of public gardens and sports arena rather than just occupying places for building concrete jungle
3) Places surrounding Koyambedu Bus-stand, Central, Egmore and Airport have to be renovated to a major extent as these are the places that create an impact about the city.... Authorites have to make sure that no slum dwellers are allowed for a vicinity of 3 Kms around minimum....
4) This city can possibly make the best out of tourism in this country... But government has just about merely understood....
5) Landscaping needed under flyovers or atleast under kathipara....

On the whole, Chennai is a better metropolitan city.... But seriously under-rated....

No power cut ( Of course for entire TN ) :)

As far I know,

at first we need more as well as clean PUBLIC TOILETS !!!
This is one thing that could bring lot of difference.

In addition to it we need to have DUSTBINS every 100 mt(especially near to bus stops) and must create awareness among people to use only that.

Major storm water drainage and sewage disposal (Atleast 10000 crores should be spent on this)

The advantages of advanced storm water and sewage disposal are so large to even tabulate but I will list some of them,

1) Low floor buses can be used as there would be no need to worry about flooding, handicapped people will be happy.

2) Minimal road damage and no need to lay roads after every monsoon.

3) No traffic disruptions, minimal deaths due to manholes

4) Minimal disease propagation, etc, etc.

I would like to see Sriperumbudur, Oragadam on the railway map. Have the waterways cleaned up, with due respect to the remaining water bodies in SCR. Implement CUMTA right away, so Metro or Mono can be easily plugged in, in stead of starting all over. Break the stalemate on the airport expansion and initiate the newer airport if thats the case, else expand the airport lands.

Having an integrated solid-liquid waste removal, preferably with waste recycling, rather than mere landfill or dump in cooum deal.

Capture water from storm water drains to either recharge water bodies or to flush the waterways.

Guys I am basically from Karnataka.... I have visited chennai umpteen times...

Its a typical Indian city with plus and minus here and there.... Let me put on few positive aspects of this metro...

1) Marina and its surroundings
2) Mount Road ( From my opinion, the best arterial road in south India atleast)
3) Most of the City buses have been renovated
4) Pubilc transport cheap and efficient compared to other cities... (Thanks to EMUs)
5) Core city certainly has wider roads ...
6) Good number of flyovers within city limits out of which most of them have been successful in decongesting the city
7) Ofcourse you can enjoy and hang out even with your half-empty pockets...
8) Entertainment----Corporate of Kollywood.... Kollywood does produce reasonably better movies next to bollywood or sumtimes even better.
9) Health care, Education facilities...

Negatives:
1) Need more Bus depots with multi level parking facilities....
2) Development authorities need to plan more number of public gardens and sports arena rather than just occupying places for building concrete jungle
3) Places surrounding Koyambedu Bus-stand, Central, Egmore and Airport have to be renovated to a major extent as these are the places that create an impact about the city.... Authorites have to make sure that no slum dwellers are allowed for a vicinity of 3 Kms around minimum....
4) This city can possibly make the best out of tourism in this country... But government has just about merely understood....
5) Landscaping needed under flyovers or atleast under kathipara....

On the whole, Chennai is a better metropolitan city.... But seriously under-rated....

This is one of the best comments I have read in SSC. Well worded, sandwich technique in addressing issues by highlighting the pros/positives and cons/negatives, suggesting ways to improve and a well mature and an unbiased view.

Ranga sir, if you can just sugar coat some of the criticisms you make it would make a very effective read.

I believe Chennai needs an identity. It has to be marketed as a brand, among it's own people first. How many people outside SSC are aware of what the city has to offer ? Most of them still think LIC is the tallest building.

^^ What the purpose of branding?

Why SSC'ns plant trees? at-least fund to plant trees with the help of some NGOs or Volunteers.

Why SSC'ns plant trees? at-least fund to plant trees with the help of some NGOs or Volunteers.

all dressed up, no place to go!

Thats the plight because its all been so encroached that inevitably most of the roads do not offer places to plant saplings that can possibly grow into a tree considering the denudation and erosion the narrow roads can end up with. So it is better if we plant a tree in our own backyards or into a common Forrest area which has been identified by the government. How i wish Chennai had roads long enough to accommodate many trees.

Apple trees, orange trees, guava trees, mango trees :P and then i wake up from my sleep.

^^ What the purpose of branding?

The purpose of branding is to make the identity of Chennai instantly obvious to an outsider. I'm not claiming any of these is accurate, but for one reason or another, Bangalore is known as the 'Tech City' or the 'Garden City', Bombay is the 'Financial Capital' and Kolkata (to my mind, though this is probably wrong) has some sort of old-world charm and intellectualism going for it.

What about Chennai? What are we, what idea or concept uniquely represents us? Are we the Colonial City, Coastal City, Temple City, Motor City or the Green City? Unfortunately, Chennai is not well-enough known for people to have an instant association with it.

Personally, my attachment to the city is because I grew up there, but as an outsider, what would draw me to the place or create an instant feeling of, 'Oh, that's why I should go there,' or 'That would be an interesting/cool place to live'?

The statistics and numbers might all point out that Chennai is a fantastic place to be in, and that it's to anyone's advantage to move there, but that seems like it has a much smaller impact than how people 'feel' about the city when they think of it. There are some mildly negative associations (boring, conservative, etc.) and these impressions need to change before people will WANT to move to Chennai.

I hope I'm not too incoherent, but these are my thoughts on branding.

Authorites have to make sure that no slum dwellers are allowed for a vicinity of 3 Kms around minimum....

Is that possible ? Have any action plans?

We can have a location clean-up once we get the meet-ups going and get to know each other. I know it's not easy, it's very convenient for me to say all this sitting in the US, but it's just something that occurred to me.

We can have a location clean-up once we get the meet-ups going and get to know each other. I know it's not easy, it's very convenient for me to say all this sitting in the US, but it's just something that occurred to me.

my catch 22 is to allot much time for this or just about carry on my usual stuff and if there is a one in a million opportunity in physically meeting some of you all and actually lay a hand towards development of this city,

cant have the cake as well eat it

Lot many things. Will write in detail about everyone whenever I get time. To start with, as mentioned by many previously - Drainage/Sewage management.

I just remembered the videos from Extreme engg about Flood water tunnels in Malaysia(I remember seeing them 3-4 yrs back).This concept of controlling flood water can be coupled with drainage water management and recycling in Chennai. Orey kallula rendu maangai.

For e.g, Such drain tunnels can be constructed under Cooum/Adyar rivers. In such way we wont pollute river, also we will use recycled water paving way to beautification of Cooum/Adyar.. Proper planning will also create multi level transport corridors inside it...



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Thanks for sharing wlbkng. The videos are awesome. Man what a project !! This should be called as real engineering .They are planning for the real flood whereas our flood prevention systems cannot handle if 20 people pee together :).

Just reminds me our every year PWD stunt of preparation for monsoon and the photographs of our ex mayors standing near small pipes and showing their involvement. What a shame !!

Lot many things. Will write in detail about everyone whenever I get time. To start with, as mentioned by many previously - Drainage/Sewage management.

I just remembered the videos from Extreme engg about Flood water tunnels in Malaysia(I remember seeing them 3-4 yrs back).This concept of controlling flood water can be coupled with drainage water management and recycling in Chennai. Orey kallula rendu maangai.

For e.g, Such drain tunnels can be constructed under Cooum/Adyar rivers. In such way we wont pollute river, also we will use recycled water paving way to beautification of Cooum/Adyar.. Proper planning will also create multi level transport corridors inside it...



Great videos about KL .... Happy to see such man made wonders..... I really wonder whether such a thing can happen in our town

As of now for me the 5 important needs of Chennai

1. Completion of MRTS on war foot basis. Set target now and put the MRTS link operation to St.Thomas mt by next year end.

2. Huge money should be pumped in for building "world class" :lol: drainage system for suburban in south, west and north side of the city.

3. Complete OMR, Widen ECR to four lane till Mahabs, GST 6 lane till Chengai, GWT 6 lane till Kanchi, GNT 6 lane till state border, CTH road to 4 lane. ORR/IRR completion and major link roads to 4-lane. Set one year target for this too.

4. MTC fleet should go up from 3400 to 4500 by next year end with 600 Volvos among that 4500.

5. Restore lake and use these lakes to flush Koovam and Adayar river and then step by step plug the drainage plugs along the banks from river from where it gets polluted.

Branding is every thing :

1. Mumbai - Financial capital of India
2. Bangalore - Software capital of India
3. Kolkota - The cultural capital of India
4. Chennai - The detroit of India or Shenzen? The city needs branding.

^^ What the purpose of branding?

I worried that everybody speaks about the need of hour is Drains and sewage managements but nobody even thinks the actual need of hour is the civic sense among ourselves. Whatever you have listed takes days/weeks/months and years of time. One thing that can happen today, this minute is pledging ourselves to follow morale code of conduct, civic sense in public places.

SSCians take a few oaths today:
1) Don't pee, spit pawn on public places.
2) Don't throw trash on road just like that, bins are for that.
3) Don't stick bubblegums on your seats when leaving.
4) Do not drive when on red signal or when you are drunk.
5) Stop before stop line.
6) Do not blame others, especially authorities, for anything and everything. Point fingers on you first.
7) Abide the traffic rules.
More can be added.

What Chennai needs are :

1. Proper Garbage disposal
2. Storm water drain
3. Fly overs in all trunk roads
4. Metro, Mono rail, BRTS at the earliest
5. Concrete roads
6. Strict traffic rules and cops
7. More greenery on all roads, streets
8. Slum clearance board which works
9. Bigger airport
10.Foot path for all users
11.Strict pollution norms
12.More investments from companies for especially for R&D set up
13.Broader roads
14.Bigger and better water storage
15.Cleaner Cooum river
16.Politicians with modern thinking (last but not the least)

[QUOTE=Arul Murugan;86623429]As of now for me the 5 important needs of Chennai
3. Widen ECR to four lane till Mahabs, )



JJ has announced today .

What Chennai needs are :

1. Proper Garbage disposal
2. Storm water drain
3. Fly overs in all trunk roads
4. Metro, Mono rail, BRTS at the earliest
5. Concrete roads
6. Strict traffic rules and cops
7. More greenery on all roads, streets
8. Slum clearance board which works
9. Bigger airport
10.Foot path for all users
11.Strict pollution norms
12.More investments from companies for especially for R&D set up
13.Broader roads
14.Bigger and better water storage
15.Cleaner Cooum river
16.Politicians with modern thinking (last but not the least)

Landscaping to be added those points

Landscaping to be added those points

Add also
Take solemn oath not to take freebies even if offered by the political class and use that money saved by the govt to improve the city's infrastructure.

The purpose of branding is to make the identity of Chennai instantly obvious to an outsider. I'm not claiming any of these is accurate, but for one reason or another, Bangalore is known as the 'Tech City' or the 'Garden City', Bombay is the 'Financial Capital' and Kolkata (to my mind, though this is probably wrong) has some sort of old-world charm and intellectualism going for it.

What about Chennai? What are we, what idea or concept uniquely represents us? Are we the Colonial City, Coastal City, Temple City, Motor City or the Green City? Unfortunately, Chennai is not well-enough known for people to have an instant association with it.

Personally, my attachment to the city is because I grew up there, but as an outsider, what would draw me to the place or create an instant feeling of, 'Oh, that's why I should go there,' or 'That would be an interesting/cool place to live'?

The statistics and numbers might all point out that Chennai is a fantastic place to be in, and that it's to anyone's advantage to move there, but that seems like it has a much smaller impact than how people 'feel' about the city when they think of it. There are some mildly negative associations (boring, conservative, etc.) and these impressions need to change before people will WANT to move to Chennai.

I hope I'm not too incoherent, but these are my thoughts on branding.
So you know that we got ports, Industries and so does people who invest and make use of them. All these branding will be used only in petty city vs city fights. All these boring, conservative image makes sure there is no 'son of soil' group active here.

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Few months back some wanted a flamboyant businessmen to become the identity of the city and quoted example of a guy who now begs in twitter and Facebook. Chennai does it and does without making many noise. good for the locals.

I worried that everybody speaks about the need of hour is Drains and sewage managements but nobody even thinks the actual need of hour is the civic sense among ourselves. Whatever you have listed takes days/weeks/months and years of time. One thing that can happen today, this minute is pledging ourselves to follow morale code of conduct, civic sense in public places.

SSCians take a few oaths today:
1) Don't pee, spit pawn on public places.
2) Don't throw trash on road just like that, bins are for that.
3) Don't stick bubblegums on your seats when leaving.
4) Do not drive when on red signal or when you are drunk.
5) Stop before stop line.
6) Do not blame others, especially authorities, for anything and everything. Point fingers on you first.
7) Abide the traffic rules.
More can be added.
+1.

Branding is every thing :

1. Mumbai - Financial capital of India
2. Bangalore - Software capital of India
3. Kolkota - The cultural capital of India
4. Chennai - The detroit of India or Shenzen? The city needs branding.
No its not. Chennai is Chennai.

Branding is every thing :

1. Mumbai - Financial capital of India
2. Bangalore - Software capital of India
3. Kolkota - The cultural capital of India
4. Chennai - The detroit of India or Shenzen? The city needs branding.

Only indian tabloids needs such branding and they already have one for Chennai - Conservative city.

I think this is how these cities are known to many in the west..
Mumbai - slumcity
Bangalore - cheap outsourcing place
Calcutta - city of rickshaws
Madras - famous for Madras curry

Only Goa, TajMahal and Kerala is known for good reasons.

Only indian tabloids needs such branding and they already have one for Chennai - Conservative city.

I think this is how these cities are known to many in the west..
Mumbai - slumcity
Bangalore - cheap outsourcing place
Calcutta - city of rickshaws
Madras - famous for Madras curry


Pretty much :)

I worried that everybody speaks about the need of hour is Drains and sewage managements but nobody even thinks the actual need of hour is the civic sense among ourselves. Whatever you have listed takes days/weeks/months and years of time. One thing that can happen today, this minute is pledging ourselves to follow morale code of conduct, civic sense in public places.

SSCians take a few oaths today:
1) Don't pee, spit pawn on public places.
2) Don't throw trash on road just like that, bins are for that.
3) Don't stick bubblegums on your seats when leaving.
4) Do not drive when on red signal or when you are drunk.
5) Stop before stop line.
6) Do not blame others, especially authorities, for anything and everything. Point fingers on you first.
7) Abide the traffic rules.
More can be added.

Pls stop demeaning our people I have lived and worked in half a dozen cities outside of TN ( In India ) . Our people have better if not best civic sense among others.

All this bubble gum sticking , red line crossing,drunk driving happens everywhere including USA , the percentage is less that is all. And the important thing to note is , it is not becuase they have taken any sort of oath , it is because his ass will be kicked if he does not abide by the rules and he cannot get away because he is Police officer's or a minister's son .

You are in dubai have you noticed the same less civic people behaving properly there ? They are not super educated but still they behave properly ?? How do they
start behaving the next minute they land in dubai or USA or UK ?? It is because they have better system/facilities to help them.

I Agree these issues are there and needs to be addressed but your correlation to storm water and sewerage issues with civic sense and how this takes priority over other is not explained.

Are you saying spitting in public place is the cause of chennai flooding ? And bubble gum sticking is cloggin the drainage/storm water drains ?

In my perceived order of importance, I'd say:

1) Drainage & water supply system across the city

2) Underground ducting of all power and utility lines

3) Then, proper surfacing of roads, with finishing right upto the edges to prevent dust and dirt

4) Ensuring well made, uniform, wide pavements

5) Providing a dedicated bus lane separated from the other lanes on 6-lanes roads in the city - Anna Salai, PH Road, IRR, GST, Mount Poonamallee Road, OMR for a start

6) Massive modernisation and hiring program for the Traffic Police, and improvement in enforcement of traffic rules

7) Development of monorail+metro transit network of 300-400 kms by 2020

8) Modernisation of bus infra

9) 8-laning stretch from Kathipara to Kanchipuram


Apart from the above, I feel certain area-specific measures are needed..

1) Make the area around Panagal Park pedestrianized - encourage and formalize road side vendors, create parking under Panagal Park

2) Pedestrianize sections of Purusawalkam for the same reasons as Panagal Park


Pls stop demeaning our people I have lived and worked in half a dozen cities outside of TN ( In India ) . Our people have better if not best civic sense among others.

Right.. And the half dozen cities outside Chennai in India are your benchmark for cleanliness?

We do not have "Seyyvana Thiruntha Sei" Policy.

Electric/telephone Cables comes out of footpath and goes in wherever a street light or roots or pipes. Most electric/telephone junctions are used as "Moothira Santhu". protrusion of these junctions boxes are creating traffic chaos.

Deep Sewer manholes are not even with the road alignment. Roadside encroachment and haphazard parking are another issues.

Maintenance and Monitoring/Co-ordination between Departments would avoid most of the problems what we have now.

Our Departments behavior: "Ennoda velai, Soru vachu sambar ootharathu. Elai irukka illaiyannu pakkarathu illa... Elai illattinalum, Soru vachu sambar oothiruvom, appurama innoru department karararu vanthu Elai poduvaru"

^^ adhu yaaruba soru podura punniyavan (department)?

yaarunu sollunga, ilai illatiyum paravailla nanga man-soru sapittukarom :)

In my perceived order of importance, I'd say:

Right.. And the half dozen cities outside Chennai in India are your benchmark for cleanliness?

First let chennai become and known as No 1 among others in India after that we can think about others.Again i dont want to start comparison war among cities . Just to answer you .

Branding is every thing :

1. Mumbai - Financial capital of India
2. Bangalore - Software capital of India
3. Kolkota - The cultural capital of India
4. Chennai - The detroit of India or Shenzen? The city needs branding.



Original detroit is not doing well :( why a duplicate name ?

Chennai - Medical capital of India or Educational Capital Of India or City of Beautiful Beaches.

Original detroit is not doing well :( why a duplicate name ?

Chennai - Medical capital of India or Educational Capital Of India or City of Beautiful Beaches.

Chennai - Industrial & Technical capital of India.

Chennai - Industrial & Technical capital of India.

Chennai - City of Excellence
Coimbatore - City of Diligence
Madurai - City of Inheritance

:)

Chennai - The whipping boy of India!
Chennai - The city everyone loves to hate!
Chennai - The godforsaken place!

We should represent to CII and other industry bodies + tourism secretary + chief secretary to initiate actions to create 'Brand Chennai'. Kannan sir, need your inputs to take this forward.

All the Lacus and Kulams should be Cleaned/Fenced and walking pavements made with benches and shelter/trees around, There are some lakes around Velachery where water is there through out the year.

Pls stop demeaning our people I have lived and worked in half a dozen cities outside of TN ( In India ) . Our people have better if not best civic sense among others.
Do you want me to take your post seriously, bcoz I first laughed seeing this. Alright! What you mean when you say I'm demeaning our people? Does anyone of the points I said is not happening in Chennai? You are saying it happens less here when compared to other cities, any proof? If thats your opinion keep it with you and unless I can see myself thats no one is urinating on public places and everybody stops before the stop line, I'll not take back what I said. I really don't know WTH you are comparing each and everything to other cities and what brings you feel happy when you say we have better if not best civic sense. :doh:

All this bubble gum sticking , red line crossing,drunk driving happens everywhere including USA , the percentage is less that is all. And the important thing to note is , it is not becuase they have taken any sort of oath , it is because his ass will be kicked if he does not abide by the rules and he cannot get away because he is Police officer's or a minister's son .

You are in dubai have you noticed the same less civic people behaving properly there ? They are not super educated but still they behave properly ?? How do they
start behaving the next minute they land in dubai or USA or UK ?? It is because they have better system/facilities to help them.
My point No. 6, is specifically for people like you. Do not blame others, especially authorities, for anything and everything. Point fingers on you first.
There are two ways, this problem can be handled. One is self discipline and other is creating fear. You decide which is better. If you take oath be self disciplined you don't require someone to take care of you. India is democratic unlike Dubai and has very less infra unlike US. We need so much money to implement a working 'On-the-spot Fine' collecting mechanism. Unfortunately we don't have that. Till then have control on yourself.

I Agree these issues are there and needs to be addressed but your correlation to storm water and sewerage issues with civic sense and how this takes priority over other is not explained.

Are you saying spitting in public place is the cause of chennai flooding ? And bubble gum sticking is cloggin the drainage/storm water drains ?
I'm worried educated youths like you are not taking it in right spirits. Again your comparison is hilarious. :nuts:
With the civic sense, its a complete system that gets makeover. I can give you many examples. You know why people wanted to segregate waste at SOURCE? A correlation to your hilarious comparison, if people stop throwing trash on the road, roads with already working RWDs will not clog for sure. If we stop urinating on transformers and lamp posts, it enables someone else to clean that place atleast once is week/month time, if you allow it to stink, forget it, its another Coovam in the making and a chance you create to blame the authorities.
I wanted to write more but time forbids me. Peace!

Do you want me to take your post seriously, bcoz I first laughed seeing this. Alright! What you mean when you say I'm demeaning our people? Does anyone of the points I said is not happening in Chennai? You are saying it happens less here when compared to other cities, any proof? If thats your opinion keep it with you and unless I can see myself thats no one is urinating on public places and everybody stops before the stop line, I'll not take back what I said. I really don't know WTH you are comparing each and everything to other cities and what brings you feel happy when you say we have better if not best civic sense. :doh:
My point No. 6, is specifically for people like you. Do not blame others, especially authorities, for anything and everything. Point fingers on you first.
There are two ways, this problem can be handled. One is self discipline and other is creating fear. You decide which is better. If you take oath be self disciplined you don't require someone to take care of you. India is democratic unlike Dubai and has very less infra unlike US. We need so much money to implement a working 'On-the-spot Fine' collecting mechanism. Unfortunately we don't have that. Till then have control on yourself.

I'm worried educated youths like you are not taking it in right spirits. Again your comparison is hilarious. :nuts:
With the civic sense, its a complete system that gets makeover. I can give you many examples. You know why people wanted to segregate waste at SOURCE? A correlation to your hilarious comparison, if people stop throwing trash on the road, roads with already working RWDs will not clog for sure. If we stop urinating on transformers and lamp posts, it enables someone else to clean that place atleast once is week/month time, if you allow it to stink, forget it, its another Coovam in the making and a chance you create to blame the authorities.
I wanted to write more but time forbids me. Peace!

i guess both arguments look fair to me. China has a lot more spitters than india has but still they have had better planning and construction done.

A correlation to your hilarious comparison, if people stop throwing trash on the road, roads with already working RWDs will not clog for sure.

You are talking as if the government has waste disposal facilities and people are not following it. It is the exception and not the norm. Not sure where you live. Take a simple example of a chennai suburb there is no Garbage trucks to collect the waste there is no garbage bins in most streets, where would you put your waste?
In the olden days when people had space they would burn most of it in their backyard, now most people don't even know what a backyard is.

You and Me cannot keep our street clean without dumping it in our neighboring street. We need civic infra for it and only govt can provide it, we have to come on dharna to force the govt to implement such facilities.

You are talking as if the government has waste disposal facilities and people are not following it. It is the exception and not the norm. Not sure where you live. Take a simple example of a chennai suburb there is no Garbage trucks to collect the waste there is no garbage bins in most streets, where would you put your waste?
In the olden days when people had space they would burn most of it in their backyard, now most people don't even know what a backyard is.

You and Me cannot keep our street clean without dumping it in our neighboring street. We need civic infra for it and only govt can provide it, we have to come on dharna to force the govt to implement such facilities.
I haven't said the government has the system in place. The correlation looks absurd for you since the comparison itself is absurd. Let me put in easiest way. Two ways to achieve our goal is either top-down or bottom-up. First needs a lot of money and more importantly time. The latter requires just the WILL and no time.

If we can manage to have civic sense the government's job is half done already. What is the use of investing so much money in advanced traffic signals and radars and well equipped policemen when an offender can always escape paying just Rs.50 to police. Civic sense and self discipline gives hand here. What is the use of investing crores of money in RWDs and Sewage management if as you said you dump waste on neighbouring streets? You got what I'm trying to say?

M4m is absolutely right. And the things he listed in his original post are basic stuff which are not being followed - awareness, discipline and sense of ownership reqd pls.

You are talking as if the government has waste disposal facilities and people are not following it. It is the exception and not the norm. Not sure where you live. Take a simple example of a chennai suburb there is no Garbage trucks to collect the waste there is no garbage bins in most streets, where would you put your waste?
In the olden days when people had space they would burn most of it in their backyard, now most people don't even know what a backyard is.

You and Me cannot keep our street clean without dumping it in our neighboring street. We need civic infra for it and only govt can provide it, we have to come on dharna to force the govt to implement such facilities.

+10000

@m4m,

System and the authorities have the responsibility to place appropriate facilities at public gathering areas before accusing people of lack of self-discipline. First let them place dustbins every 200 ft on such spots and have them collected without letting it overflow. Then come back and talk about people's behavior. In US and Dubai they have it and it is so easy for even the so-called un-educated Indians to follow the rules there.

India is the only country that charges money for using restrooms / urinals still (at few places) and look how are they maintained. Michael Jackson moon-walk madhiri toe-walk senju balance panni moocha adichi parunga, andha kashtam ungalukku puriyum :lol:

Yes self-discipline is important, but equally important is to create an environment for it. That can be done only by authorities and hence many blame them.

India is the only country that charges money for using restrooms / urinals.

You are lying.

^^ ok let me rephrase it, India is one of the countries that charges for restroom facilities, podhuma? :) ippo micha content padinga

we seriously need a Gandhi at the moment...

dig him out of his grave if need be but we need someone to lead us properly.

Adhan neenga irukkengale.

Adhan neenga irukkengale.

ithellam over!

The latter requires just the WILL and no time.

Please tell me this, do you see a difference in the cleanliness of chennai streets between say Anna Nagar and Tambaram? the former has a govt established disposal system and the latter none. Based on your assumption Anna nagar folks have discipline and Tambaram folks lack that. But the real fact is the role of govt, Given the chance people would manifest the will


If we can manage to have civic sense the government's job is half done already. What is the use of investing so much money in advanced traffic signals and radars and well equipped policemen when an offender can always escape paying just Rs.50 to police.


Your are mixing up ethics and organized work procedures for civic infra. You bribe because of lack of ethics, you dump waste because the govt does not create the facility and as individuals we lack the resource to create that infra.


Civic sense and self discipline gives hand here. What is the use of investing crores of money in RWDs and Sewage management if as you said you dump waste on neighboring streets? You got what I'm trying to say?

You have totally misconstrued my statement, our intention is not to spoil the neighboring street. If we have to clean our street where would you (bottom up) dump the trash. Are you saying we have device our own Garbage burning yards, then laying road, produce electricity........?

Please tell me this, do you see a difference in the cleanliness of chennai streets between say Anna Nagar and Tambaram? the former has a govt established disposal system and the latter none. Based on your assumption Anna nagar folks have discipline and Tambaram folks lack that. But the real fact is the role of govt, Given the chance people would manifest the will



Your are mixing up ethics and organized work procedures for civic infra. You bribe because of lack of ethics, you dump waste because the govt does not create the facility and as individuals we lack the resource to create that infra.



You have totally misconstrued my statement, our intention is not to spoil the neighboring street. If we have to clean our street where would you (bottom up) dump the trash. Are you saying we have device our own Garbage burning yards, then laying road, produce electricity........?

we Annanagar mortals also have an exnora system. if the government officials are busy reading kumuthams and ananda vigadans, we have the exnora handle the issue. So it is good thing to follow such practices in Tambaram too. And thats called innovation and initiative.

+10000

@m4m,

System and the authorities have the responsibility to place appropriate facilities at public gathering areas before accusing people of lack of self-discipline. First let them place dustbins every 200 ft on such spots and have them collected without letting it overflow. Then come back and talk about people's behavior. In US and Dubai they have it and it is so easy for even the so-called un-educated Indians to follow the rules there.
I beg to differ. Its a chicken egg story. Avana koduka solu nan marugirenu soldra madiri iruku. Who said in Dubai dustbins are there in every streets? In Dubai metro there isn't a trash box. I have seen people carrying their trash back home or drop it whenever they see one and most of the time I end up bringing back home. (got the difference?).

Yes government is not providing everything to everyone, but what have you done to those that was already provided? I can list down many things here, but few:
1) What happened to the new classy stainless steel bus stops provided with lovely add boards and new sign-boards on roads? Steels have been stolen. In Estate road wavin bus stop, last time I saw the beautiful bus stop nicely designed and you know what it was stinking, pawn stains and urine smell, well it was having a trash bin very close by.
2) You must know the current condition of semi low floor buses bought 4years back. Seats torn, full of laguda pandigal names.
3) Government have provided so many parks for fresh air breathing from small to medium size. Millenium park in Mugappair, Annanagar Tower Park and for what are we using it after 10pm? Next day morning you can see lot of beer-whisky bottles, chips packet, condoms except gold and silver :lol:
Please don't tell me that this happens everywhere and I'll not buy that arguement. Developed countries has money for repeated investments but we don't. It is our duty to take care of what is provided to us. It is for this reason, I sometimes felt we don't deserve Monorails or Metros but only the silty sub-urban.

India is the only country that charges money for using restrooms / urinals still (at few places) and look how are they maintained. Michael Jackson moon-walk madhiri toe-walk senju balance panni moocha adichi parunga, andha kashtam ungalukku puriyum :lol:

Yes self-discipline is important, but equally important is to create an environment for it. That can be done only by authorities and hence many blame them.May be true, self discipline is not for public alone, it has to be for public servants also. Thats why I said its a complete system that gets changed.

Please tell me this, do you see a difference in the cleanliness of chennai streets between say Anna Nagar and Tambaram? the former has a govt established disposal system and the latter none. Based on your assumption Anna nagar folks have discipline and Tambaram folks lack that. But the real fact is the role of govt, Given the chance people would manifest the will
Yes the difference I see is, in Anna Nagar people urinate but government within a weeks time put chlorine powder and in Tambaram people urinate but stinks without anyones help. :lol: From Bluestar II Avenue till the small bridge that connects to PH road near Vaishnav college you can see so many places with this chlorine powder. Don't you think government is wasting money on this.

Your are mixing up ethics and organized work procedures for civic infra. You bribe because of lack of ethics, you dump waste because the govt does not create the facility and as individuals we lack the resource to create that infra.
You have totally misconstrued my statement, our intention is not to spoil the neighboring street. If we have to clean our street where would you (bottom up) dump the trash. Are you saying we have device our own Garbage burning yards, then laying road, produce electricity........?
I ain't mixing up. Ethics are part of moral code of conduct. You are saying as if you will steal your neighbour if you haven't given food. When you dump on neighbour again he is going to dump you back and thats not the solution. Government hasn't done its part, fine, but is your part done fairly to point the authorities? In your street if light is not working what will you do? You'll steal it from next street or complain to authorities to take necessary action. Inaction may be there but do not give up. Your rights comes after your duties and please be responsible.

I beg to differ. Its a chicken egg story. Avana koduka solu nan marugirenu soldra madiri iruku. Who said in Dubai dustbins are there in every streets? In Dubai metro there isn't a trash box. I have seen people carrying their trash back home or drop it whenever they see one and most of the time I end up bringing back home. (got the difference?).

Yes government is not providing everything to everyone, but what have you done to those that was already provided? I can list down many things here:
1) What happened to the new classy stainless steel bus stops provided with lovely add boards and new sign-boards on roads? Steels have been stolen. In Estate road wavin bus stop, last time I saw the beautiful bus stop nicely designed and you know what it was stinking, pawn stains and urine smell, well it was having a trash bin very close by.
2) You must know the current condition of semi low floor buses bought 4years back. Seats torn, full of laguda pandigal names.
3) Government have provided so many parks for fresh air breathing from small to medium size. Millenium park in Mugappair, Annanagar Tower Park and for what are we using it after 10pm? Next day morning you can see lot of beer-whisky bottles, chips packet, condoms except gold and silver :lol:
Please don't tell me that this happens everywhere and I'll not buy that arguement.
May be true, self discipline is not for public alone, it has to be for public servants also. Thats why I said its a complete system that gets changed.


Yes the difference I see is, in Anna Nagar people urinate but government within a weeks time put chlorine powder and in Tambaram people urinate but stinks without anyones help. :lol: From Bluestar II Avenue till the small bridge that connects to PH road near Vaishnav college you can see so many places with this chlorine powder. Don't you think government is wasting money on this.

I ain't mixing up. Ethics are part of moral code of conduct. You are saying as if you will steal your neighbour if you haven't given food. When you dump on neighbour again he is going to dump you back and thats not the solution. Government hasn't done its part, fine, but is your part done fairly to point the authorities? In your street if light is not working what will you do? You'll steal it from next street or complain to authorities to take necessary action. Inaction may be there but do not give up. Your rights comes after your duties and please be responsible.

well the last para of argument looks a bit too harsh. We can only make a horse go to the pond. We cant force them to drink water. Similarly we can only go so far with respect to waste management. Authorities need to do the rest. How many unattended things are uncared for by the government u know? For example we have complained several times about the poor quality of Nelson Manikkam road like 10000 times. No action taken. Not the people's fault.

^^ Even we faced similar issue. Just because of one greedy man, my place Ayappakam stands outside the Greater Chennai today. This bi-election he was thrown out after 15years in office and lost deposit. In your case you can get help from persons who have succeeded these culprits already. Kannan is the right person for you! But still do not over-do your duty.

PS: Have you tried RTI on your complaints?

PS: Have you tried RTI on your complaints?


Well first have you tried RTI? If not I seriously suggest you to try it out and look at its efficiency (or lack of).

Do this. File an RTI for some issue. Ask your friends to do the same for same issue. Preferably spread it out to few weeks and don't do it together. You would expect same response for all inquiries correct? Look at the responses you get. Kamedy-ya irukkum.

Enna tool, enna system kondu vandhalum top-middle-layae manuplate senjidaranga. That's the problem. People at the bottom are responsible only for whatever filters down all these layers and reaches them (practically nothing)

^^ No I haven't tried bcoz a situation never arose for me. But heard from my friends that its really worth it. Just 2weeks back one of my friend staying near Ambattur OT backside of Patravakkam station area raised RTI for drainage and sewage system work stopped in her street. Amazingly she started to see people working and authorities requested to withdraw her RTI. I came to know when she put that as a great success in facebook!

Well having stayed for 2 years in madras,I feel the city as such is very much fine,it is safe,clean and friendly.Chennai's infra is on par with any other metro,no complaints here.

I feel chennai needs more of mid level restaurants,either you find very hi tech bhavans or Muthu parota stalls :P,it needs something in between the two extremes.

And It needs lot of Volvos :)

What I primarily want is a massive revamp of the transit system - CUMTA needs to be implement asap - call it Chennai Transit and give it a cool name, logo, livery etc - to be applied to all buses, mini buses, metro and EMU trains. Bring in seamless transit, interchange hubs which are higly walkable, maps, GPS info, Mobile Applications. Rehaul the MRTS. This has to be done on a war footing.

^^ No I haven't tried bcoz a situation never arose for me. But heard from my friends that its really worth it. Just 2weeks back one of my friend staying near Ambattur OT backside of Patravakkam station area raised RTI for drainage and sewage system work stopped in her street. Amazingly she started to see people working and authorities requested to withdraw her RTI. I came to know when she put that as a great success in facebook!

I have seen success stories of RTIs too.

10 kallu vittu erinja oru manga vizhalam, vizhamalum pogalam. But that's not how a system is supposed to work.

A system is deemed good only if it achieves consistent results. No-one is asking for 10/10 here, but 2 maangayavathu vizhum ngara guarantee system tharanum. illena adhu dubakoor system than

I have seen success stories of RTIs too.

10 kallu vittu erinja oru manga vizhalam, vizhamalum pogalam. But that's not how a system is supposed to work.

A system is deemed good only if it achieves consistent results. No-one is asking for 10/10 here, but 2 maangayavathu vizhum ngara guarantee system tharanum. illena adhu dubakoor system than

andha kallu yen mandaila viizhama irunda seri. yedhukkum helmet pottu nadakaren inumelendhu

I have seen success stories of RTIs too.

10 kallu vittu erinja oru manga vizhalam, vizhamalum pogalam. But that's not how a system is supposed to work.

A system is deemed good only if it achieves consistent results. No-one is asking for 10/10 here, but 2 maangayavathu vizhum ngara guarantee system tharanum. illena adhu dubakoor system than
10000 vati complain panavanga oru 10vati RTI use panirukalame?! Enna boss, enga arambicha vandiya enga kondu porenga? If we aren't caring whatever government has given us, then obviously government will hesitate to give again. Ivargaluku idu podumnu mudivu panirupanga pola.
It all started when one said civic sense does not deserve to be listed as need of the hour. Reason, I think, it has to come from within us. But others has to come from Government (simply pointing fingers). Easiest task is to list, but its difficult to follow even one. Idu namakum sari Govtkum sari porundhum.
I will stop here!

I have seen success stories of RTIs too.

10 kallu vittu erinja oru manga vizhalam, vizhamalum pogalam. But that's not how a system is supposed to work.

A system is deemed good only if it achieves consistent results. No-one is asking for 10/10 here, but 2 maangayavathu vizhum ngara guarantee system tharanum. illena adhu dubakoor system than

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Performance appraisal for SACHIN TENDULKAR




Achievements:

Sachin: I scored 200 run
200 Runs/ 147Balls/ 25X4 / 3X6



Manager: Agree you have done GREAT BUT BUT BUT BUT

25 x 4s = 100
3 x 6s = 18

IT implies that you have done 118 Runs in 28 Balls.

And 12 x 2s = 24
58 x 1s = 58

IT means you have done all 200 Runs in only 98 balls

So you have wasted 147-98 = 49 balls

Considering only 1 run scored on each of these balls you could have earned
49 valuable RUNS FOR OUR TEAM


MANAGER'S COMMENT:
So you only met the expectations and NOT EXCEEDING
(though anyone of our team could not do it) and your Grade is L3.

Trainings for him:
Learn from how to STEAL singles. ( you better know what
I mean stealing single )

Ennathan nadanthalum iyo namma nasamapoitom, avan ippadi irrukan, ivan ippadi irrukan solrathu fasiona pocchu.....

If we aren't caring whatever government has given us, then obviously government will hesitate to give again. Ivargaluku idu podumnu mudivu panirupanga pola.



In school they teach so many things to follow in life...orderliness,grooming, some dreams like "My Village", MY Town" etc with stream lined clean streets with a organised way of life etc .. But going back to their 10 the Century way of life, young and old forget the lessons.. we continue in the past.

Unless we destroy and rebuild our Villages...starting from where we must...We will continue to enjoy the past,present and future simultaneously..

we also have to totally ban the electric poles and have all electric and phone connections going underground like Singapore. No electric and phone wires above ground level. It gives a very poor look to the city.

^^
kakka kuyil mela aasai padalam ,mayil mela aasail padalama :lol:

Getting the cables and wires underground, A clean garbage system, an efficient corporation, good roads or storm water drains is no big deal. The need of the hour is the will to do something so that we Chennaites to can show off our great city proudly. Is this too much to ask ?

we also have to totally ban the electric poles and have all electric and phone connections going underground like Singapore. No electric and phone wires above ground level. It gives a very poor look to the city.

Hindu asks the same question to some celebrities and common people.




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ABHINAV MUKUND, cricketer

I hope the regulation of traffic is better especially with the metro-rail project nearing completion in certain areas of the city. And as a sportsman, I dream of a new sporting complex in Chennai — an academy for all sports in one complex with World Class infrastructure and training facility.

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S. BADRINATH, cricketer

I would love for the roads to be better all over the city. And I wish that people would follow traffic rules. It is everybody's responsibility to do so, irrespective of whether the cops and cameras are watching or not. As a sportsman, I wish to see other sports besides cricket, like football, hockey and athletics, to develop too. The city needs to have better infrastructure to help in that aspect and also I wish players of other sports are given more opportunities and made to feel as secure as we are in cricket.

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ANITA RATNAM, danseuse

During the season, I had performed at sabhas in Mylapore and from that experience I can tell you that the city needs more public parking spaces and better roads. Such lack of infrastructure serves as deterrents for the public to attend concerts and performances. Besides, as an artist I wish that the media gives artists as much prominence in their coverage as they do cricketers or others. We need culturally sensitive reporting that showcases the versatility of the city instead of projecting it as a “wanna-be” Mumbai or Bengaluru. There's more to Chennai than just parties and inaugurations.

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OPHELIA, RJ, BIG FM

Provided the world does not end in 2012, I hope for the metro rail construction to get completed soon so that the traffic congestion is eased. The monsoon has resulted in bad roads which call for attention. As far as people go, I noticed they've got more aggressive. I even read a report in the paper that said the driver of a MTC bus had pushed an auto on to the pavement just because he would not give way. I think this aggressiveness is the result of people being pressurised by excess workload. I also hope for a city where women my size can find clothes that fit.

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SUCHITRA, singer

I dream of a Chennai that treats its people, animals, infrastructure and heritage with respect. Politeness and respect are non-negotiable, in any and every context. I'd also like to see people at every level being, well, just “nice”.

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Sharath Kamal, Table Tennis Player

My Dream and hope for Chennai in 2012 as a citizen is it continues to become cleaner and greener ( I liked that we are having more parks and greenery) and as a sportsperson I would like more international and national sporting events to take place in Chennai so that the young kids can watch and learn a lot from the professional players and this can also be a source of inspiration.

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Citizens Speak

I wish the roads would be available for us to use at least in the coming year; now everywhere you turn you only see a “Take Diversion” board because of the metro rail construction that's under way. I want a city that offers a better nightlife to the people who begin their day at night. Also hoping there would be more public toilets almost everywhere so people can pay heed to the call of nature in privacy.

KARTHICK MURTHY, 22, Managing Editor, Be Stylish (Magazine)

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I would love my city to be a place where we are aware of our roles in maintaining public places clean. Also I would want all children including the ones slogging for their family to avail their right to education. With buses being a paramount medium of public transportation I would want the frequency of buses to increase with non-rutted and less rocky roads supporting them for minimal traffic congestion to reach our destinations on time.

MOUNIGA VE

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I'd love to see a few changes in the city. I wish that the government and public would plant more saplings. I wish the entire nation would look up to Chennai as the ideal city. I also want the public transport systems to be a little more organised. And instead of waiting for the government to do these I just wish we could do these by ourselves and bring about the changes we want to see.

SAI SHYAM G., 22, Programmer Analyst Trainee, CTS

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I wish there would be talk of metro rail in the suburbs as well so we can connect to the city quickly. But topping my list is the wish to see my city become corruption-free. Hoping this New Year grants me this.

MUKUNDHAN DURAISAMY, 21, Software Engineer

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I want my city to be clean and green. A city that respects its environment and stands up against pollution. A city with a blend of tradition and modernisation. A city where there is less traffic and accidents, and where people abide by the traffic rules. The day when these come true, I would proudly say, “Singara Chennai!”

SOWMYA SWAMINATHAN, II Year, B.Com, S.D.N.B.Vaishnav College for Women, Chennai

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What I'd really love to see is an awareness about civic hygiene among people — no spitting, urinating or washing in public — just basic awareness because it's a nuisance to others. People also need to have some level of courtesy like wishing someone or flashing that little smile, waiting inqueue… I wish that people would drive with more patience and wait when required to.

ANAND MOHAN, 22, Design Technician, Caterpillar India Private Limited

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I would like to see the city clean and green in the New Year! Political parties should understand their role and do their duty without causing any inconvenience to the public. Above all, the city should remain as it is with a blend of tradition and modernity.

VINOLIA JEBARATNA C., 21, Assistant, SBI

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Stricter implementation of traffic rules and violators should be dealt with severely. Proper electricity consumption and no power cuts. I wish the restaurants would be open round-the-clock. Better training facilities for sports people. There should also be a reduction in the use of plastics. I wish there would be safer homes for stray animals. Also, I would be very happy if something could be done about bringing the touring bands to the city as well.

MOHAMMED SAMEER, Final Year, Automotive Engineering, Vel Tech College of Engineering

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Clean streets and better civic sense among its people! That's the first thing I want to see. The other day I saw one worker near the Cooum dropping his cup of unfinished tea just like that on the road, even though there was a dustbin on the opposite side! I wish for cold summers! Above all, people with giving hearts, who don't just feed themselves but also the less privileged. I want to see grass everywhere; lots of flowers and trees. I want Chennai to look like a big garden!

JERUSHA MARGARET, 21, Communications Department, Help a Child of India

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I hope I get to see cleaner, neater and better laid roads. Wish people were more co-operative and with broader mindset. Better transportation facilities, improved sewage facilities, better overall infrastructure, proper garbage disposal and sanitation facilities like more dustbins, and comparatively less stink.

NIRMAL JOSEPH SEBASTIAN, I MA Communication, Madras Christian College

As told to: MADHUMITHA SRINIVASAN, ARCHANA SUBRAMANIAN, P.G. SESHASAYEE (pursuing CA) and DIVYA THIAGARAJAN (I Year, M.A. Communication, MCC)
http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/nxg/article2752193.ece

^^ I'm happy that many of them touched civic sense,the changes that has to come from ourselves and can be brought by ourselves. :cheers:

my list :

1) better pavements, curb sides
*walk-able
*clean from debris
*odorless, forget green
*public utilities such as transformers, manholes, cables lying barebone without any sophisticated finishing
2) water drainage, sewage
3) solid fill handling
4) motor=able roads without potholes

we should try not to fudge or build a facade around the effect but address the root cause. for example, think about why we build skyscrapers when we know for sure there is no load bearing capacity of the elements. forget about widening the roads, when the existing road width are not used to the full extent ... forget about the landscaping the median, when the street-side debris & slush is accepted as norms!

am surprised to note several jingoistic statements such as, 'tis fine the way it is, or just we are getting there .. kind of arguments. whatever we are doing is not working. am sure after a year from the metro rail is over, we will still be here with our days of woes brimming multiplying over without any reprieve. it is really difficult to go in any arterial or back roads without the car getting a good beat up. almost like we landed in this IT age with having skipped the other natural evolution-traits such as public infrastructure management, common minimum civic senses. You don't have to look farther than colombo, jakarta, bangkok to see how the big cities are managed, cleaned and attractive. the only "natural selection" advantage we seem to yield over other developing or erstwhile undeveloped nations seem to be that the English ordained on us by british raj.

its really abominable that there's a lot of complacency that kicks in by just pitting ourselves among the other filthier cities in india to find some sick solace.

if you've been around in one of the foreign nations and come back to your own and see the most mundane, taken for granted infrastructures posing an "engineering" challenge .. it really breaks your heart and you feel a lump in your throat with no words to express. and if it does'nt, then you're missing the point.

how would the city look if encrouchments are removed and planned properly.
Even compound walls are an eye sore to the city. Landscaping can be done in place of them.

^^ machamilla mangayin udambu pol irukum (macham than azhagu) :lol::nuts:

^^ appadiyae macham udambil enga irundha azhagunnu solunnga machans :)

^^ public public ;)

^^ machamilla mangayin udambu pol irukum (macham than azhagu) :lol::nuts:

உடம்புல மச்சம் இருக்கலாம் ஆனா மச்ச்சதிலேயே உடம்பு இருந்தாதாதா.....

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^^ -delete repeat-