Wageuzi is Swahili for 'Transformers'. Here's the Kenyan version with a political twist to it. I like it!

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The storyline basically depicts the upcoming Presidential election next year.

For non-Kenyans the characters (Presidential aspirants) are as follows:

TINGA: Raila Odinga (Prime minister of Kenya)

WIPER: Kalonzo Musyoka (Vice President of Kenya)

IRON LADY: Martha Karua (MP, Gichugu constituency)

UHURU: Uhuru Kenyatta (Finance Minister)

RUTO: William Ruto (MP, Eldoret North)

Wow! totally awesome.that is one creative kenyan!

My opinion is probably a lonesome voice in the wilderness.First is a thumbs up for the creativity and quality of the work.However,i wish it were about better characters than politicians.I'd rather see business leaders like S K Macharia,Manu Chandaria,KQ ceo,Atul Shah or Chris Kirubi lionized (even the creators of this movie)Their businesses tranform kenya on a much more meaningful level.

Harshness! I love the suspense at the end and the hague part. The iron lady's strength is amazing, that is cool stuff right there.

Great animation!

They just have to remove ICC in whatever they make. I dont know why some Kenyans worship this Kangaroo court!

Someone needs to shut the front door.

True, the door needs to be shut!:lol:

Great animation!

They just have to remove ICC in whatever they make. I dont know why some Kenyans worship this Kangaroo court!

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Clearly you dont have the interests of Kenya in mind when you come up with such statements.Is that worse than worshipping known crooks,money launders,land grabbers,violence incitors etc(politicians)?If I had my way I would blow up parliament and shoot the survivors.They are the sole reason Kenya has never archieved her potential.

True, the door needs to be shut!:lol:
That means shut the fuck up btw

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Clearly you dont have the interests of Kenya in mind when you come up with such statements.Is that worse than worshipping known crooks,money launders,land grabbers,violence incitors etc(politicians)?If I had my way I would blow up parliament and shoot the survivors.They are the sole reason Kenya has never archieved her potential.
Thank you, it's so easy for him to talk like that, I don't blame him, he's not one of the people burnt to death in Kiambaa anyway. :nuts:

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Clearly you dont have the interests of Kenya in mind when you come up with such statements.Is that worse than worshipping known crooks,money launders,land grabbers,violence incitors etc(politicians)?If I had my way I would blow up parliament and shoot the survivors.They are the sole reason Kenya has never archieved her potential.
I have never indicated that I support any of the crooks, I just dont support any dealings with the court.

Of course I would have wanted anyone committing crime to face justice but they should be tried fairly and with a just system of the law.

I have never indicated that I support any of the crooks, I just dont support any dealings with the court.

Of course I would have wanted anyone committing crime to face justice but they should be tried fairly and with a just system of the law.


In what way is the ICC unfair and unjust? (I am waiting for your legal reasons Jamaax)

In what way is the ICC unfair and unjust? (I am waiting for your legal reasons Jamaax)There are reasons why countries like China, US,Russia, India and other smaller countries are not part of the ICC. If you look at the reasons why these countries dont trust ICC, you will agree with me that Kenya should have left this court long time ago. Some of those reasons are very important for sovereign nations by the way.

You dont always have to trust and worship everything foreign, Kenya is a country and should work as hard as possible to handle it's own matters instead of relying on a Kangaroo court to police the country as if you are a colony or something of that sort.

True, the door needs to be shut!:lol:

Wow, it takes guts to insult yourself like that! Guts or a total lack of awareness i.e dim lights.

Wow, it takes guts to insult yourself like that! Guts or a total lack of awareness i.e dim lights.
I knew what she was saying but I didnt want it to escalate into something else.;)

There are reasons why countries like China, US,Russia, India and other smaller countries are not part of the ICC. If you look at the reasons why these countries dont trust ICC, you will agree with me that Kenya should have left this court long time ago. Some of those reasons are very important for sovereign nations by the way.

You dont always have to trust and worship everything foreign, Kenya is a country and should work as hard as possible to handle it's own matters instead of relying on a Kangaroo court to police the country as if you are a colony or something of that sort.
We are looking for the reasons not the countries that are not members there, who are you trying to kid? Kenyans should be the last to call other courts Kangaroo, remove the log in your eye first meanwhile, justice delayed is justice denied, the victims want justice, we will use the best option availabe; that doesn't mean we are worshipping anybody. :nuts:

We are looking for the reasons not the countries that are not members there, who are you trying to kid? Kenyans should be the last to call other courts Kangaroo, remove the log in your eye first meanwhile, justice delayed is justice denied, the victims want justice, we will use the best option availabe; that doesn't mean we are worshipping anybody. :nuts:

Reasons?

1)ICC can conduct and arrest citizens of countries that are not signatory to it. Isnt this stupidity?How do you indict citizens of other countries that are not signatory to the court?Sudan for example.

2)The definitions and perpetration of crime is still vague. In some cases, the leaders are not charged when the crimes have been committed by their juniors or people under them and there is still less definitions of how they can be charged. Take Kenya for example, both the leaders have been left while the court is dealing with junior members of the group while there has been no clear outline of the relationship of the leaders with their juniors in these crimes.

3)The court is located in the Netherlands, very far away from some people's countries. It's hard for some people to call witnesses and in some cases to be able to have access to evidence in a short period of time.By the way, the court can also arrest you for a long period of time for dubious reasons like preventing you from further committing crime or causing more trouble even with the absence of evidence.

4)The prosecutor has a lot of powers and can choose to leave out some cases that seem genuine and go for cases that are of less magnitude/importance.. This makes the court less effective and may target some people politically.

5)Powerful countries can interfere with justice by arresting or hunting down people wanted by the court. These countries can also do everything possible to prevent their citizens from following the due process.

There are many reasons too, just search why countries are not signatory to the court and you will find more.

It's not like I dont support justice, I just want it done by a transparent and credible court or system.

I think you are derailing the thread. Like I said earlier, this is an amazing animation!:cheer:

Reasons?

1)ICC can conduct and arrest citizens of countries that are not signatory to it. Isnt this stupidity?How do you indict citizens of other countries that are not signatory to the court?Sudan for example.

2)The definitions and perpetration of crime is still vague. In some cases, the leaders are not charged when the crimes have been committed by their juniors or people under them and there is still less definitions of how they can be charged. Take Kenya for example, both the leaders have been left while the court is dealing with junior members of the group while there has been no clear outline of the relationship of the leaders with their juniors in these crimes.

3)The court is located in the Netherlands, very far away from some people's countries. It's hard for some people to call witnesses and in some cases to be able to have access to evidence in a short period of time.By the way, the court can also arrest you for a long period of time for dubious reasons like preventing you from further committing crime or causing more trouble even with the absence of evidence.

4)The prosecutor has a lot of powers and can choose to leave out some cases that seem genuine and go for cases that are of less magnitude/importance.. This makes the court less effective and may target some people politically.

5)Powerful countries can interfere with justice by arresting or hunting down people wanted by the court. These countries can also do everything possible to prevent their citizens from following the due process.

There are many reasons too, just search why countries are not signatory to the court and you will find more.

It's not like I dont support justice, I just want it done by a transparent and credible court or system.


Like our Kenyan courts maybe? SMH? Dude if we or the AU had some strong judicial system, I am sure alot of people would have supported it, but as things stand, our politicians can kill and go scot free in Kenya.

Reasons?

1)ICC can conduct and arrest citizens of countries that are not signatory to it. Isnt this stupidity?How do you indict citizens of other countries that are not signatory to the court?Sudan for example.

2)The definitions and perpetration of crime is still vague. In some cases, the leaders are not charged when the crimes have been committed by their juniors or people under them and there is still less definitions of how they can be charged. Take Kenya for example, both the leaders have been left while the court is dealing with junior members of the group while there has been no clear outline of the relationship of the leaders with their juniors in these crimes.

3)The court is located in the Netherlands, very far away from some people's countries. It's hard for some people to call witnesses and in some cases to be able to have access to evidence in a short period of time.By the way, the court can also arrest you for a long period of time for dubious reasons like preventing you from further committing crime or causing more trouble even with the absence of evidence.

4)The prosecutor has a lot of powers and can choose to leave out some cases that seem genuine and go for cases that are of less magnitude/importance.. This makes the court less effective and may target some people politically.

5)Powerful countries can interfere with justice by arresting or hunting down people wanted by the court. These countries can also do everything possible to prevent their citizens from following the due process.

There are many reasons too, just search why countries are not signatory to the court and you will find more.

It's not like I dont support justice, I just want it done by a transparent and credible court or system.

Do you know how ignorant you sound? I guess to you at the time(before the constitution enactment) Kenyan courts were transparent and credible. SHUT THE FRONT DOOR INDEED!!

Do you know how ignorant you sound? I guess to you at the time(before the constitution enactment) Kenyan courts were transparent and credible. SHUT THE FRONT DOOR INDEED!!


Like our Kenyan courts maybe? SMH? Dude if we or the AU had some strong judicial system, I am sure alot of people would have supported it, but as things stand, our politicians can kill and go scot free in Kenya.
ICC is not credible enough.

Actually it was a good opportunity for Kenya to come up with something that will handle the suspects instead of off-shoring this judicial system to a Kanagaroo court.

Not having a transparent court doesnt mean you should hand over the cases to this court.Think twice.

ICC is not credible enough.

Actually it was a good opportunity for Kenya to come up with something that will handle the suspects instead of off-shoring this judicial system to a Kanagaroo court.

Not having a transparent court doesnt mean you should hand over the cases to this court.Think twice.

And who handed the cases over to the ICC.Was the issue not before parliament and the same politicians did not want our Kenyan courts to handle the cases.They were against a local tribunal,they were given ample time to set this up, but did not.Now that they face the ICC prosecutor, you have a problem with that??Its easy for you to trash the ICC from behind your computer am guessing with a roof over your head,why dont you ask a real victims opinion,check on IDP's.If our system is worth so much,why are people still not resettled??I could go on and on but as long as you watched the whole '07 thing happen on TV and have read stories in the papers, you have no idea.

And who handed the cases over to the ICC.Was the issue not before parliament and the same politicians did not want our Kenyan courts to handle the cases.They were against a local tribunal,they were given ample time to set this up, but did not.Now that they face the ICC prosecutor, you have a problem with that??Its easy for you to trash the ICC from behind your computer am guessing with a roof over your head,why dont you ask a real victims opinion,check on IDP's.If our system is worth so much,why are people still not resettled??I could go on and on but as long as you watched the whole '07 thing happen on TV and have read stories in the papers, you have no idea.If you have been following what I was saying, you will realize that I am against any perpetrators of the post elections violence. I just want the justice system handled by a credible judicial system.

It's so unfortunate that these MPs decided to offshore the judicial system instead of forming something on their/our own.:ohno:

So I am for fair justice on both the victims and the suspects and not for this court that was mistakenly chosen.

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Clearly you dont have the interests of Kenya in mind when you come up with such statements.Is that worse than worshipping known crooks,money launders,land grabbers,violence incitors etc(politicians)?If I had my way I would blow up parliament and shoot the survivors.They are the sole reason Kenya has never archieved her potential.

I do believe the ICC is a kangaroo court. The funny thing is, Kenyans are so enamored with having to please the west than protecting their own integrity. Writing the constitution based on international law is mindless worship. If the post election violence instigators are found to be guilty, I have no problem with them getting the noose. But don't tell me the ICC is end all be all when it comes to prosecuting African cases. Any country that defies the ICC is forwarded to the UN Security Council for punishment. The UNSC has USA & Russia who are signatories but haven't ratified the Rome Statute... which means their own citizens can never be tried by that kang.... er court. What irony. China is not even part of the ICC in any way. A Kenyan judge signs an arrest warrant for a leader of a sovereign nation (Sudan) and torpedoes the appeals process before it's even began just because they want to prove their independence from the executive branch. The loss in economic terms notwithstanding! Cutting off one's nose to spite the face comes to mind. What nonsense. America would never let any court rulings run counter to their national interests because the court would take into account the ramifications of such a ruling. Keep beating those drums of change meanwhile westerners are snickering behind our backs.

^Exactly!:applause:

I do believe the ICC is a kangaroo court. The funny thing is, Kenyans are so enamored with having to please the west than protecting their own integrity. Writing the constitution based on international law is mindless worship. If the post election violence instigators are found to be guilty, I have no problem with them getting the noose. But don't tell me the ICC is end all be all when it comes to prosecuting African cases. Any country that defies the ICC is forwarded to the UN Security Council for punishment. The UNSC has USA & Russia who are signatories but haven't ratified the Rome Statute... which means their own citizens can never be tried by that kang.... er court. What irony. China is not even part of the ICC in any way. A Kenyan judge signs an arrest warrant for a leader of a sovereign nation (Sudan) and torpedoes the appeals process before it's even began just because they want to prove their independence from the executive branch. The loss in economic terms notwithstanding! Cutting off one's nose to spite the face comes to mind. What nonsense. America would never let any court rulings run counter to their national interests because the court would take into account the ramifications of such a ruling. Keep beating those drums of change meanwhile westerners are snickering behind our backs.

Why do you like to justify the unjustifiable.
Why don't the "African" states/countries prove to THEIR CITIZENS that they can handle cases without manipulations maybe then the citizens can allow for them to move out of the Rome statute.I mean do you want to say the court processes in Africa is free and fair of external manipulations...am all for Africa being on her own but not at the expense of the citizens and the benefit of a few.Why do you even fathom debating this issue.

Why do you like to justify the unjustifiable.
Why don't the "African" states/countries prove to THEIR CITIZENS that they can handle cases without manipulations maybe then the citizens can allow for them to move out of the Rome statute.I mean do you want to say the court processes in Africa is free and fair of external manipulations...am all for Africa being on her own but not at the expense of the citizens and the benefit of a few.Why do you even fathom debating this issue.

Makes me wonder,the facts are there for all to see.Its not a matter of pleasing the West which I think is a ridicuous notion,but to get justice for those who suffered and are still suffering from the PEV.

Makes me wonder,the facts are there for all to see.Its not a matter of pleasing the West which I think is a ridicuous notion,but to get justice for those who suffered and are still suffering from the PEV.

Thank you.

Why do you like to justify the unjustifiable.
Why don't the "African" states/countries prove to THEIR CITIZENS that they can handle cases without manipulations maybe then the citizens can allow for them to move out of the Rome statute. I mean do you want to say the court processes in Africa is free and fair of external manipulations...am all for Africa being on her own but not at the expense of the citizens and the benefit of a few.Why do you even fathom debating this issue.

To put this into context, when Kenya's VP went to the UN security council to lobby the 'Ocampo Six' cases be deferred, it was only the Executive Branch that did it. The Judiciary is firmly in the corner of the ICC! That in itself tells the international community that we can't prosecute our own cases without their help. Now, take into account that the majority of Kenyans are firmly behind the new constitutional provision of the independence of the judicial system. If the Judiciary feels that the new constitution backed by the majority of Kenyans is not enough, then we as a country are in trouble. Africa by nature has a lousy judicial process, but Kenya took a step to change that. How about we give it a chance to showcase their new found clout? Don't put the cart in front of the donkey. It should be the other way around.

P.S I debate the issue because I see the fallacy of the matter. And just in case you are doing selective reading; I did mention the fact that if the Ocampo Six are guilty, they should face the stiffest penalty of the law. Nobody is above the law, including the president.

Makes me wonder,the facts are there for all to see.Its not a matter of pleasing the West which I think is a ridicuous notion,but to get justice for those who suffered and are still suffering from the PEV.

The facts may be there (which is a good thing), but you don't arbitrarily sentence somebody to the gallows on a whim or hearsay. There's a reason we have law courts; Everybody has their day in court to face their accusers and defend themselves. That said court should be manned and adjudicated by their peers, not strangers! The fact that people suffered (and still are) should not be a basis for forming preconceived notions of malice. Even here in America I've seen the worst criminals walk free because of a technicality or sheer incompetence of the prosecution. If you don't think the Kenyan judiciary is competent enough to prosecute the cases, just come out and SAY it! Don't hide behind the curtain of corruption & influence.

Just to add, to the skeptics; Do you honestly think the UN set up more department bases in Kenya than any other country in Africa by accident? Kenya has 41 different speaking native languages which by far is the most than any African nation. But still, the country is more peacefully coexisting than any in the continent.
Kenya has to take the initiative of prosecuting it's own cases and relying less on the international community. The new constitution gave Kenyans that mandate. Make it happen! Unless that happens, Africa as a whole is doomed to the status of the needy. The country (Kenya) is almost 50 years old and we are still relying on outside help to solve our own domestic problems! Jesus, I'm embarrassed for all of us.

Look at the current ICC ongoing cases around the world. The countries indicated by the color green are it! You think Africans are the only ones committing atrocious crimes??? Now you know why the AU instructed it's member states not to enforce the al-Bashir arrest warrant

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This whole thing reeks of selective prosecution. I kinda laughed when a couple of weeks ago ICC's prosecutor Ocampo got replaced by an African one, a woman at that (from Gabon) to legitimize their actions. Looks like they're trying to placate African skeptics. Pathetic.

The facts may be there (which is a good thing), but you don't arbitrarily sentence somebody to the gallows on a whim or hearsay. There's a reason we have law courts; Everybody has their day in court to face their accusers and defend themselves. That said court should be manned and adjudicated by their peers, not strangers! The fact that people suffered (and still are) should not be a basis for forming preconceived notions of malice. Even here in America I've seen the worst criminals walk free because of a technicality or sheer incompetence of the prosecution. If you don't think the Kenyan judiciary is competent enough to prosecute the cases, just come out and SAY it! Don't hide behind the curtain of corruption & influence.

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And who handed the cases over to the ICC.Was the issue not before parliament and the same politicians did not want our Kenyan courts to handle the cases.They were against a local tribunal,they were given ample time to set this up, but did not.Now that they face the ICC prosecutor, you have a problem with that??

THEY WANTED THE ICC.I was not in parliament.Having refreshed your memory, let me say that am all for "us" moving away from the puppet masters, but am sorry to say my friend we are just getting ready. We are taking the right steps, the Judiciary is finally looking up but we are not there yet.

To put this into context, when Kenya's VP went to the UN security council to lobby the 'Ocampo Six' cases be deferred, it was only the Executive Branch that did it. The Judiciary is firmly in the corner of the ICC! That in itself tells the international community that we can't prosecute our own cases without their help. Now, take into account that the majority of Kenyans are firmly behind the new constitutional provision of the independence of the judicial system. If the Judiciary feels that the new constitution backed by the majority of Kenyans is not enough, then we as a country are in trouble. Africa by nature has a lousy judicial process, but Kenya took a step to change that. How about we give it a chance to showcase their new found clout? Don't put the cart in front of the donkey. It should be the other way around.

P.S I debate the issue because I see the fallacy of the matter. And just in case you are doing selective reading; I did mention the fact that if the Ocampo Six are guilty, they should face the stiffest penalty of the law. Nobody is above the law, including the president.

And who was to find them guilty,are you suggesting that since now we have a Judicial system that is somewhat trustworthy,we should have the cases back in Kenyan courts.Do think that is even possible.Am talking of the court system before we had the new chief justice, dpp, Att Gen,.Before the new Constitution was enacted.This is the court that would have dealt with this cases at the time we did not know if we would have a new "Kenya"....

I wash my hands

And who was to find them guilty,are you suggesting that since now we have a Judicial system that is somewhat trustworthy,we should have the cases back in Kenyan courts.Do think that is even possible. Am talking of the court system before we had the new chief justice, dpp, Att Gen,.Before the new Constitution was enacted.This is the court that would have dealt with this cases at the time we did not know if we would have a new "Kenya"....

I wash my hands

Pessimism has become such an epidemic in Africa, especially in Kenya. How on earth will you know if something works or not unless you give it a try?
For instance, you're driving on the highway and your car breaks down. You have it towed to a repair shop and the mechanic tells you that you need a new water pump, fan belt & tensioner. You authorize the repair and leave. A day later the mechanic calls to inform you the car is ready for pick up. You head on down with a relieved feeling.... till you reach the counter to pay.

You: Were there any other problems other than the ones you identified earlier?
Mechanic: Nah, that was it.
You: How does it drive?
Mechanic: I replaced the broken parts.
You: I know, but how does it drive?
Mechanic: I don't know, I just repair/replace the broken parts!

Do you see the absurdity of that concept?

You're one of those people who have a self deprecating attitude that you'd rather have your foreign masters decide for you.... and for that, the whole continent will forever be doomed to wearing rags with a bony outstretched hand begging for handouts. Simply brilliant!
Happy New Year.

Pessimism has become such an epidemic in Africa, especially in Kenya. How on earth will you know if something works or not unless you give it a try?
For instance, you're driving on the highway and your car breaks down. You have it towed to a repair shop and the mechanic tells you that you need a new water pump, fan belt & tensioner. You authorize the repair and leave. A day later the mechanic calls to inform you the car is ready for pick up. You head on down with a relieved feeling.... till you reach the counter to pay.

You: Were there any other problems other than the ones you identified earlier?
Mechanic: Nah, that was it.
You: How does it drive?
Mechanic: I replaced the broken parts.
You: I know, but how does it drive?
Mechanic: I don't know, I just repair/replace the broken parts!

Do you see the absurdity of that concept?

You're one of those people who have a self deprecating attitude that you'd rather have your foreign masters decide for you.... and for that, the whole continent will forever be doomed to wearing rags with a bony outstretched hand begging for handouts. Simply brilliant!
Happy New Year.

Am done here dude.You sound very brilliant but we seem to be going round in circles and you dont realize it.I do.
To summarize, am for Kenya being on her own,dealing her own cases...but for the Ocampo 6, its too late for Kenya to bail them out. Remember the phrase "NO HAGUE IS VAGUE?" Yeah they dealt their hand,let 'em play it.
As for other cases in future,Kenya will test drive the Car.
:cheers:

Another great kenyan animation.....

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