found a pic showing Hobarts CBD tallest building. The 14storey/58m AMP Building built 1968 .The 73m/20st Wrest point is located some 2km away.
I think its time Hobart received a new tallest!!! what do ya think!
Somethink maybe-80m? a mixed use glass scraper for edge of CBD. This would take advantage of views. A large podium with tall tower with apartments/office/hotel. maybe an observation deck?

http://www.swainaustralia.com/events/wpe22.jpg

hobart is in desperate need of a new tall! surely A/B grade office space must be low.

I think it is possible to build a mixed use skyscraper in Hobart.

My idea would be a building with apartments and a hotel, there could be some office space in the lower levels too.

I think this could work in Hobart, as it appears they have a shortage of hotel accomodation and apartments.

yeah. lets write a detailed letter/proposal to Hobarts Town planning and send the same letter to a dozen architects and developers and start up a frenzied competion for the landmark project! lol
there simply MUST be an excuse to erect such a building!
Hoabrt needs something like this? How many other capital cities in the world have the same tallest building since 1968??
thats 36 years!!!!

Dont worry about the HCC, they're all stupid and any good ideas would go straight through them

You just need to look at CBD traffic flow to realise how stupid they are

Hi all,

I noticed the Hobart page on skyscrapers.com (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=169840) has a few ambiguious or conflicting building details. I'm posting the ones listed there here, with changes or suggestions, in case anyone else has any ideas. Of course, being the only Hobartian I don't think I'll be in luck, but this particular forum has been Darwin/Canberra dominated for too long! :-P

You might want to read these in conjuction with my map here -> http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=61922 - though the map doesn't have street names marked.

I have emailed this to the contact listed on the site - it didn't occur to me that the name (Richard Braddish) might actually be Culwulla :P


1. Wrest Point Casino (Sandy Bay) - good

2. AMP Building (Cnr Collins/Elizabeth) - good

3. Trafalgar Building
- Trafalgar building is 110 Collins St, not Cnr Harrington/Collins.
- Cnr Harrington/Collins is probably Fed Govt building (ATO) - 188 Collins St

4. Office Building 2 (Cnr Morrison/Brooke Sts)
- No building greater than 2 storey on this corner.
- May refer to one of the buildings in #6 below, possibly Aurora building.

5. Office Building 1 (Macquarie St)
- Unknown - probably refers to either
- Lands Building (134 Macquarie St)
- TGIO Building (144 Macquarie St)

6. Hobart City Council (Cnr Elizabeth/Morrison Sts)

- This corner contains, and may refer to either:
- Aurora Energy Head Office
- Marine Board Building
- It may also refer to the "HCC Service Centre" building, cnr Elizabeth/Davey St, next to Aurora building

7. Hotel Grand Chancellor (Cnr Campbell/Macquarie Sts) - good

8. Empress Towers - (Battery Square) - good

9. Office Building (Cnr Campbell/Liverpool Sts)

- Not familiar with this corner - no tall buildings on it, I don't think.
- Closest would be Royal Hobart Hospital @ 5-6 storeys.

10. Silo Apartments (Princess Wharf) - good, but "Castray Esplanade" more accurate address

thanks heaps. i actually started the hobart page and try to keep it updated and accurate but its bloody hard from Sydney!lol
ill update the stats you posted .any pics would be very helpful!!
cheers :)

Ahh.. I just checked ss.com and found that this page has the old names...
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/?id=100512

..and this one.. has ones pretty much similar to what I had suggested.
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=100512&bt=2&ht=2&sro=1

I also had just drawn up this little map -- the numbers refer to the order listed on ss.com.

http://chuq.net/ss/Hobart-ss-dot-com.jpg

How did you get the original data? (Number of floors, and especially height, etc). Did you cross check them with my suggested buildings, or have some other source of info that helped you to work out which was the correct one?

There are a few other skyscrapers (well, 8+ storey buildings at least :) ) I'll add once these are sorted out.

over the many years of research and studying cities buildings ect. i compiled alot of data.ive changed/altered names ect to what you posted.ill recheck again. these stats dont show for 24 hrs.even office buildings of 8-9 storeys would reach 35m+, so i can add these also all i need is a pic so i can scale or estimate.
cheers again

over the many years of research and studying cities buildings ect. i compiled alot of data.ive changed/altered names ect to what you posted.ill recheck again. these stats dont show for 24 hrs.even office buildings of 8-9 storeys would reach 35m+, so i can add these also all i need is a pic so i can scale or estimate.
cheers again

Well.. I have gathered the two sets of rooftop pics I have (one from the Reserve Bank Building, posted here a few months back, and one from the Trafalgar Building, taken last week). Using www.thelist.tas.gov.au and the photos I have managed to identify many more buildings worthy of listing on ss.com. Now that I have a list to go by, I will get decent pictures of each of them, hopefully so they can be ranked and added to the Hobart ss.com page :)

The pics are on my website: http://chuq.net/ss/

And here is the latest map!

http://chuq.net/ss/HobartJul2004.jpg

Tasmania does not have the population density to build, let alone have the need, for a skyscraper. You said the tallest is 73m/20 storey casino, is that the tallest in the state?

Only way tas would get skyscrapers, if oz started opening up their arms to a greater population.

There should be a tower crane either up or very close to it, a M230D, I saw it getting loaded out of a crane yard in melb 6 weeks or so ago. Don't know where in Tassie, but somewhere????

Tasmania does not have the population density to build, let alone have the need, for a skyscraper. You said the tallest is 73m/20 storey casino, is that the tallest in the state?

Only way tas would get skyscrapers, if oz started opening up their arms to a greater population.
thats the tallest in tassie not Hobarts CBD. The wrest point tower is 2km from the CBD.

well its 7 months later and still nothing has happened !
not that I expected it too

100m seems more ideal for a little town like hobart if it wants something tall. but it have to be apartments and a hotel. shopping mall mabye?

heres a couple of classic shots from CML in 1950;s.
looking at T&G
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an23504164-v

Town hall
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an23504166-v

Hello,
I am a Territorian and i love my footy! i wanna hear from my fellow Territorians and Darwinites about whether Darwin should submit an NRL & AFL team into the league? I am a big supporter of the North Queensland Cowboys, since Townsville & Cairns are our nearest neighbours and i generally support Adelaide crows in the AFL.
I know that Darwin is an AFL & bit of NRL crazed city. So come on Territorians and Darwinites, should we have our own teams in the national comp? I cant believe that Townsville& Cairns have an NRL team in the Comp and both cities have basketball teams in the NBL. Whats wrong with Darwin? Both Townsville and Cairns are relatively same size as Darwin (or bigger, i dont know) and they've managed to get a team in the NRL & NBL and probably the AFL (soon) cos i know Cairns is pretty big on AFL just like Darwin

I think it would be best that you just continue supporting the Crows :)

i'll keep supporting them in meantime. But would like to barrack behind my own city (hopefully soon)

What name would you give to your Darwin team? Would it be the Darwin Daredevils?

i support more teams entering the NRL comp.

Gold Coast is putting in a team.. the Dolphins.

And i hear new zealand is putting in a second team.

So yes, why shoudlnt darwin.

What name would you give to your Darwin team? Would it be the Darwin Daredevils?

What about Darwin Buffalos? NT Buffalos? Darwin-Palmerston Brolgas? NT Crocodiles? just to name a few :cheers:

Welcome to the forums roberta - I'm afraid you're flying the NT flag alone - there's no other Territorians or Darwinites on skyscraper city as far as I know. Take a look at the Darwin projects thread - if you know anything about development or current projects in Darwin, please tell - we need a Darwin forumer real bad.

Darwin should look at afl or nrl team. Would be good to have a variety of teams, im sick of seeing NSW teams (no offence), but would like to see different state teams playing in the Grand Final. I believe Darwin has a big supporter base up there especially in Palmerston/Litchfield and outter Darwin. Darwin has my vote if it wants to join the league.
Ps. David Gallop and the NRL board are really starting to get on my nerves, they should just let the Gold Coast, Gosford and New Zealand submit teams.
Or why not start a new league competition independant of the NRL and welcome every man and his dog, that way your definitely guaranteed entry.

Do they still have the trams today?

My Fantasy 16 Team AFL League

Darwin Demons (Traded from Melbourne)
Brisbane Lions
Sydney Swans
Canberra Kangaroos (Traded from Nth Melb)
Richmond Tigers
Collingwood Crows
Essendon Bombers
Carlton Blues
St Kilda Saints
Ballarat Rangers (Replacing Western B'dogs)
Geelong Cats
Launceston Hawks (traded from Hawthorn)
Adelaide Crows
Port Adelaide Power
West Coast Eagles
Fremantle Dockers

Cutting 4 Melbourne teams (esp 4 of the underperformers) (OK so Melb goes well but is not profitable) and trading them to new cities (like the Lions) would be a great way to get into new Areas. Hawks and Roos already have support in Launceston and Canberra respectively. I chose Ballarat cuz there needs to be a second regional Vic team! And Darwin has always struck me as AFL territory so why not switch out the most unsupported team in the league.

i support more teams entering the NRL comp.

Gold Coast is putting in a team.. the Dolphins.

And i hear new zealand is putting in a second team.

So yes, why shoudlnt darwin.

Actually we got rejected. But the Gold Coast should get teams before anywhere else. We're the 6th largest city in Australia and we have NO NATIONAL SPORTING TEAMS. We would get right behind the Gold Coast Dolphins NRL team. We would get right behind a Gold Coast AFL team. Two of our teams are the best in Queensland. We would get right behind a Super 14 team.

Sorry everyone from Darwin, I know I'm going to be burnt at the stake for this, but Gold Coast comes before Darwin

My Fantasy 16 Team AFL League

Darwin Demons (Traded from Melbourne)
Brisbane Lions
Sydney Swans
Canberra Kangaroos (Traded from Nth Melb)
Richmond Tigers
Collingwood Crows
Essendon Bombers
Carlton Blues
St Kilda Saints
Ballarat Rangers (Replacing Western B'dogs)
Geelong Cats
Launceston Hawks (traded from Hawthorn)
Adelaide Crows
Port Adelaide Power
West Coast Eagles
Fremantle Dockers

Cutting 4 Melbourne teams (esp 4 of the underperformers) (OK so Melb goes well but is not profitable) and trading them to new cities (like the Lions) would be a great way to get into new Areas. Hawks and Roos already have support in Launceston and Canberra respectively. I chose Ballarat cuz there needs to be a second regional Vic team! And Darwin has always struck me as AFL territory so why not switch out the most unsupported team in the league.
Dont forget us North Queenslanders, we love our AFL just as much as our southern neighbours. So i propose
NORTH QUEENSLAND MARLINS :)

Actually we got rejected. But the Gold Coast should get teams before anywhere else. We're the 6th largest city in Australia and we have NO NATIONAL SPORTING TEAMS. We would get right behind the Gold Coast Dolphins NRL team. We would get right behind a Gold Coast AFL team. Two of our teams are the best in Queensland. We would get right behind a Super 14 team.

Sorry everyone from Darwin, I know I'm going to be burnt at the stake for this, but Gold Coast comes before Darwin
I agree with you, but it would be good to give Darwin first Preference that way we have representation across the board/state/Country by N.T's Inclusion would bring us a step closer in having a more competitive league across the country and would pave the way for further opportunites for other states like WA&SA to hopefully follow suit :)

Do they still have the trams today?
No, the trams (and passenger trains) finished up in the 50s.

How about a header image for Hobart?

How about a header image for Hobart?

If you mean like this one...
http://skyscrapercity.com/images/forumheaders/15.jpg

I believe there already is one? Not sure who created it though... If there are archives kept somewhere, take a look there..

Gold Coast Sharks.

I reckon Darwin should have a Team in the NRL or AFL. In the meantime, Darwin is more big on AFL, so It should be an AFL team. If not, you could always try for Rugby Union Super 14.

I hate to be a realist, but look at Melbourne Storm. Sporting Performance wise, a very sucesful team and for a non NSW/QLD team, very respected.

But it can't support itself - they only get 8,000 or so to each game if they're lucky. Aparently they are looking into moving the club elsewhere - Gold Coast Storm is not out of the question (it has a ring to it). Perth was looking into it (still might be) but are concerned the same thing that happened to storm would happen to Perth. And I can't see why it wouldn't - unless you had a similar situation to the Broncos/Lions in Brisbane (but reversed).

I dare say Darwin could not support a major national comp team. Not yet anyway. As stated before, Queensland will get a 3rd and possibly a 4th team before Darwin will get an NRL team. You've got the central queensland (Bundy/Rocky/Gladstone/Maryborough/Hervey Bay) region which would make a good team, Sunshine Coast and even some Brisbane suburban teams.

I think the only thing stopping Brisbane itself getting another team is that we've always been a one-team city. Sydney supports bucketloads of teams (and Melbourne in the AFL) but it's a different mindset. Almost like we go for Brisbane, and not the Broncos. It's not too good for the future of the sport, because when the Broncos don't play too good, a whole city loose interest. Had there been 3 or 4 teams, chances are 1 would get in the finals and would be a much more dynamic fan base. I think this explains the recent rise of AFL in Brisbane - it started when the Broncos played shit and the Lions won the grand final. In the interests of NRL's future in South Queensland there needs to be some new teams.

we deserve a team on Central Coast!!! RL has a huge following up here. im sure all the ex north syd supporters would agree.

we deserve a team on Central Coast!!! RL has a huge following up here. im sure all the ex north syd supporters would agree.
You are right, however Its up to the NRL board and David Gallop on how many teams are allowed. WE should take it up with them, thier being very lousy in not allowing Central Coast, Gold Coast and Wellington another team.
:(

The next 5 years will either make or break NRL. They should be very careful with the following in South East Queensland - if they keep ignoring the problem NRL could end up being a one state competition. AFL is making huge advances in Brisbane at the expense of NRL. I guess that's why I hate AFL so much.

Yeah, you can't fault the nationalisation of the AFL, they have gone great guns and the NRL need to take a leaf out of that book. The Lions have really opened the QLD market (average crowd to Lions home games this year over 33'000) and I would not be suprised if there was a proposal for another QLD based team or NT team in the near future. A move of one of the existing financially struggling clubs from Melbourne seems the most likely outcome. I would think the Western Bulldogs will be the first to go personally.

NRL expansion to victoria just never worked. Despite the success of the team on field the NRL and the team failed to advertise and market it properly to wrest some crowds from AFL. It is crazy, average AFL crowds are over 34'000 and can get a full house to many games in Melbourne depending on the teams..... but they could only manage to draw like 8000 to the Storm games.

This was in contrast to AFL. Another example being South Melbourne which moved to Sydney in the eighties. After some flashy marketing, they turned the game into a show up there for a while, they made a huge success out of it. Sydney now being one of the most supported teams in the league... and get some decent crowds in every week (averaged over 30'000 to home games this year). If the AFL can so sucessfully penetrate NRL markets such as Sydney and Brisbane there is no reason why the NRL can't do the same if they plan it and penetrate properly.

Well that's my two cents.

Stu

Yeah, NRL needs to stop ingoring Qld. Solution: Gold Coast Dolphins
AFL needs to build on its base in the northern states. Solution: Gold Coast Sharks.

For the NRL, they need to make some bold moves for three goals. First being the securing of their followers. Second, getting more followers. Third, diversify their followers. They need to become a national competition. Without a doubt, it was SuperLeague that started that, but it really needs to continue.
For the AFL, they also need to meet two goals. Firstly, they need to support their northern teams in the next 5-10 years. Brisbane won't get back up to the standard of the past 4 years for a long time. Their followers will walk away if they aren't kept in. Secondly, they need to get more followers in areas that don't have anyone to support. i.e. Canberra, Tasmania, New Zealand, Queensland outside Brisbane, Northern Territory.

I reckon as well that the NRL should stop Ignoring the Gold Coast but however, The Gold Coast isn't always the solution. Even though yes the Gold Coast is a brilliant city and it has 500 000+ it still should be able to have an NRL Team or AFL.

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11199214%255E3462,00.html

$50m plan for Tassie shopaholics
By MICHELLE PAINE
27oct04

A $50 million shopping complex near Hobart airport aims to stem the flow of Tasmanians heading interstate for their homewares bargains.

Plans for a warehouse-retail centre on the Tasman Highway at Cambridge were revealed yesterday by Angus Reed, chief executive officer for the developer, Prudentia Investments.

"Every year, thousands of Tasmanians travel interstate to take advantage of the competition and bargains available there in home-maker goods -- beds, outdoor furniture, garden settings and barbecues," said Mr Reed, Tasmania-born and now based in Melbourne. "And every year, thousands of Tasmanians miss out on the variety and competition that exists in other states and regional centres, where these destination shopping complexes are commonplace."

Mr Reed said a development application for the 39,000 square metre Hobart Homemaker Centre had been lodged with the Clarence City Council. A major hardware store and national furniture, homeware and electrical shops are envisaged. In June, Prudentia bought 42ha of land on the northern side of the Tasman Highway, 10 minutes from Hobart's city centre, for the shopping development plan.

Mr Reed said there were about 14 home-maker retailers with nationwide branches, but not in Tasmania. "It will not compete with other retailers because the bulky goods concept of the Hobart Homemaker Centre is new to the state." He said the centre would provide 300-plus jobs during construction and 600 new jobs in the long term. "The area surrounding Cambridge and the Hobart airport, already under increasing development, has the potential to become the state's next retail and light industrial centre," Mr Reed said. The company was talking with community users for other parts of the site.

Mr Reed said public comment was encouraged on the development. He hoped permits would be approved by April next year so building could begin in August for a completion in April 2006.

Last week Prudentia was named as a preferred tenderer to develop Kangaroo Point, Bellerive, to the tune of $25 million.

Also http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1228016.htm (another article about the same thing)


At first this sounded like a shopping centre, but it appears to be a homewares/furniture type centre. Cambridge is a fairly "out in the sticks" area, but it is close to the growing areas of Lauderdale and Seven Mile Beach, so there is a good chance it could become a big commercial district in the future.

I don't really get the first line - ...aims to stem the flow of Tasmanians heading interstate for their homewares bargains. I don't exactly think people buy bulky things like BBQs and furniture etc. interstate. Maybe the complex will be more like a DFO centre.

I've stayed at that Motel/Resort at Seven Mile Beach! Those Home-Maker places are Brisbane - there's a huge complex in Aspley that has all furniture and lighting stores, Babyco, a Toy Store and some sort of Fast Food Outlet (Aspley has Red Rooster and Lone Star, Jindalee has Maccas) this will be good for Hobart.

By the way I know that Tasmanians travel to Melbourne to shop, but I didn't think it was for Beds and BBQs! Like that's a big load to take back on the boat!

Darwin isn't just getting AFL, there's now going to be an SANFL game held at Marrarra next year!

Yeah, NRL needs to stop ingoring Qld. Solution: Gold Coast Dolphins
AFL needs to build on its base in the northern states. Solution: Gold Coast Sharks.

For the NRL, they need to make some bold moves for three goals. First being the securing of their followers. Second, getting more followers. Third, diversify their followers. They need to become a national competition. Without a doubt, it was SuperLeague that started that, but it really needs to continue.
For the AFL, they also need to meet two goals. Firstly, they need to support their northern teams in the next 5-10 years. Brisbane won't get back up to the standard of the past 4 years for a long time. Their followers will walk away if they aren't kept in. Secondly, they need to get more followers in areas that don't have anyone to support. i.e. Canberra, Tasmania, New Zealand, Queensland outside Brisbane, Northern Territory.

Brisbane came third..? that isnt bad lol.

Plus a semi between the 1 QLD teams shows we are good enough. i mean both our teams out of all the teams were in the finals.

I think Adelaide, Perth, Darwin, Wellington and the GC need teams.
Possible a Geelong team also.

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11874276%255E3462,00.html

'Home' is closer for homemakers
By CHARLES WATERHOUSE
07jan05

A PROPOSAL for a $50 million homemaker centre at Cambridge has been advertised, providing people with an opportunity to comment.

A major hardware store and national furniture, homeware and electrical shops are envisaged on land adjoining the Tasman Highway. Clarence City Council considered the planning scheme amendment and development application last month. The plan includes three buildings, collectively about the size of Eastlands Shopping Centre in floor area. A planning amendment was needed because the council had not considered the establishment of a homemaker centre and required a definition to be prepared. The large homemaker centre concept is relatively new and is becoming popular on the mainland. Full details of the amendment were printed in a council public notice on Wednesday. The notice is customary for combined development and planning amendment applications. The application can be inspected at the council's office until January 27, the date when public comment closes. Clarence Mayor Cathy Edwards said: "Even though it's a commercial development, we are trying to get the best result we can from an aesthetic point of view, particularly because of its profile from the Tasman Highway." The proposed development is a little different from the original plan. Ald Edwards said she believed this was because certain developers of businesses in the centre wanted to use their own architects. Ald Edwards said it was a good, flat and accessible location. After the close of public advertising and the public comment period, Clarence council staff will do a report on the public comments. The report and the public comments will then go to a council meeting when the council will review its decision whether to continue to support the development and planning amendment, or whether to change the proposed conditions on the development. The final decision on approval will be made by the Resource Planning and Development Commission.

(Great. Power outage at my server host! Pics will appear below when service is restored)

http://chuq.net/pics/tasman-bridge/DCP_3781.JPG

http://chuq.net/pics/tasman-bridge/DCP_3784.JPG

http://chuq.net/pics/tasman-bridge/DCP_3796.JPG

http://chuq.net/pics/tasman-bridge/DCP_3801.JPG

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CRAZY BRIDGE!!!!! very steep at one section.

CRAZY BRIDGE!!!!! very steep at one section.

If you mean that second last pic - its more of an optical illusion. The first pic gives the best impression as to the steepness of the bridge. I took these pictures when walking over it (and back) and it wasn't steep at all to walk over.

oh, well its an awesome bridge anyway!

A few weeks ago it was the 30th anniversary of the disaster that occurred on this bridge when the SS Illawara hit the bridge causing the middle section to collapse taking some on the bridge with it and resulting in 7 deaths. The middle section was rebuilt without the pier that was struck in the form of a drawbridge.

I heard something in the news about a top end footy side beating the bulldogs? !Some1 clarify this :)

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,12201793%255E3462,00.html

Hobart low for office vacancies
By CHARLES WATERHOUSE
10feb05

HOBART'S CBD office space vacancy rate has shifted from the highest of Australia's capitals to the lowest.

In January 2001 the vacancy rate in Hobart was 14.28 per cent, with only Adelaide close to this.

Since then, Hobart's vacancy rate has dropped each year to a low of 3.5 per cent last month.

During the same period the vacancy rate in Sydney has increased from just under 5 per cent to just over 11 per cent, and in Melbourne also the rate has increased.

Randall Jackson, of Knight Frank Tasmania, gave Hobart's statistics at a Property Council of Australia Tasmanian division lunch yesterday.

In Hobart vacant A grade space has dropped from 12.58 per cent to just 0.44 per cent. Grade B now stands at 5.72 per cent (was 17.92), grade C at 5.10 per cent (10.45) and grade D at 8.76 per cent (16.52).

Mr Jackson said demand for A grade space had been strong for two or three years and B to D grade areas were also showing improvement, which he suggested would continue.

William Reynolds, of Brothers and Newton valuers and property consultants, said much capital investment was occurring in northern Tasmania with the proposed billion-dollar pulp mill, major spending to upgrade the Bass Highway and mining and exploration on the West Coast.

"The core business of the state is being driven out of the North," Mr Reynolds said.

"What will happen in Hobart is it (investment) will be driven more by turning our waterfront into a nice place to be with shops and restaurants."

He predicted a major new office building would be built in Hobart in two to five years and said several buildings had been constructed in the early 1990s and it had taken a decade to recover from an oversupply of space.

Mr Jackson, however, said it was his view that the oversupply was created in the 1980s when several buildings were built on 10-year leaseback arrangements with the Federal Government.

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The bold is mine. Interesting! I reckon they need to blow up 10 Murray St (ugly, ugly building) and build something decent/taller in its place. Problem is they will need to house the offices that are there during construction - perhaps build a real big one (to house 10 Murray St + more) on another site, then on the old 10 Murray St, build something a bit more waterfront-friendly rather than a big tower.

best news ive ever heard!!! we need more new scrapers in Hobart!!!

Has there ever been a mention as to how much sqm Hobart CBD has?

I'm surprised Hobart hasn't leaped at the chance of a sister city relationship with Copenhagen or Århus considering a certain Tasmanian has now been thrust into a position of a shitload of influence.

It'd be awesome if Hobart pulled some Danish co's their way, one of the big Danish shipping lines, a DR representative office, or a bank or two.

Big opportunities, just don't waste them Tas.Gov!

Anyone know how the different grades of office are defined? What makes and A grade office better than a B grade?

i think its overall quality. its hard to explain but one say if oyur in the city, go up a bunch of different quality scrapers and you will see.

Floor to roof height would play a big part.. as well as uninterupted space (ie no big poles going though the floor)..

Yep the Indigenous All-Stars beat the Western Bulldogs by about 5 goals last weekend.

For several years there's been talk of a Darwin team joining the SANFL, however I think the talks broke down when the SANFL werent willing to help fund the new team (I think thats what happened). I'm led to believe that Darwin folks are very keen to have a team though, and I'm sure they'd get great crowds.

Darwin would easily have enough local talent to support a team, and really given the current boom Darwin is experiencing its probably only a matter of time before they get a team somewhere. And after seeing the fantastic guernseys the All-Stars team had, I suggest the new team could be known as the NT Suns.

The Gold Coast is an interesting one. From what I cant tell, AFL seems to be very popular up there for some reason, and obviously theyve got a huge population to support a team. But didnt Brisbane used to play games on the GC and get terrible crowds? Though I guess it might be different if they had their own team, and the consensus seems to be that there'd be enough support for an AFL team. To be honest then, given all this, I'm quite surprised the AFL isnt seriously looking into a Gold Coast team already. I think now would be the perfect time to introduce a GC team, while the AFL is still at its peak of popularity in QLD.

My own thoughts for the future of the AFL would be:

- Increase the league to 18 teams, the 2 new teams being the NT Suns and Gold Coast Sharks
- Relocate either St. Kilda or Hawthorn to Hobart/Launceston, as both teams have great support in TAS
- Relocate the Kangaroos to Canberra, they have little support in Melb as is

The problem is that relocation isnt as easy with clubs as it is with NFL-style franchises. But its been said before that some Melb teams wont survive in the longterm, so someone has to make the tough decision and move. With Darwin and the Gold Coast booming, it'll be very interesting to see what transpires over the next few years.

We were contacted today by a senior chief planner from Hobart City Council and he asked us about our city model concerning cost/materials how to data ect. He said Hobart is about to experience a boom and the council want to be prepared. Already there getting backlash about an approved 13storey hotel which will dominate Sullivans Cove.Having a city model will instantly show how developments compare to each other and show the general public new projects ectr.
Sounds like a novel idea!!
I think its going to be just the CBD which wouldnt include Wrest point ect.

http://img192.exs.cx/img192/1425/wrestpointcasino7eg.jpg

Free trips down to Taswegianland Cul? :) :banana: :D

Free trips down to Taswegianland Cul? :) :banana: :D

Awesome news cul! If you get a trip down here, keep in contact :)

Many Councils are going for 3D models instead of tradional physical models. I know the one we use at Mornington is fantastic, you can do shadows, change building heights up and down and stuff all in real time.

^ we also do 3d stuff with microstation.We do weekly shadow tests for planners which go into reports and L&E cases. but councillors always request sections of our physical model for meetings ect. They get the concept staright away with model.
Sartor was once shown a report on a new DA with a laptop with 3d state of art fly throughs ect but he couldnt understand size and surrounds and demanded part of the our city model in front of him ASAP! lol
he said nothing beats viewing a large scale physical model. I have to agree with him.
Id love to get to tassie. not only to see Hobart but also the Valley of the giants! in Styx Valley

Hobart is a beautiful city and full of potential.

Id love to get to tassie. not only to see Hobart but also the Valley of the giants! in Styx Valley

Heh.. our tallest 'scrapers :)

^yeah, not capital cities around the world that can boast that trees are taller then there tallest skyscrapers!!! but then again 100m trees is such a great height! thats 30storeys!

Lets hope Hobart gets a few new buildings, because I was recently looking at photos of Australian cities taken in 1984, and sadly Hobart hasn't changed much since then.

We have the same problem here in Townsville, mainly because it was thrived by the Banks, but since Internet banking has been introduced, office space vacancy has been going up, thats why office space is so cheap.

To add to that, The only major occupants in tSV's CBD are Government offices or Banks like this for example

1. Suncorp Metway Plaza
2. Stanley Place (ATO Office)
3. Commonwealth Bank.

Lets hope Hobart gets a few new buildings, because I was recently looking at photos of Australian cities taken in 1984, and sadly Hobart hasn't changed much since then.

Between 1984 and when? Apart from the Grand Chancellor (mid 80s), we have recently had the Federation Concert Hall (2001), and The Silo Apartments (2001), ZeroDavey (http://www.escapesresorts.com.au/locations_t_zero.htm) (2003) and OneCollins (http://www.onecollins.com.au/intro.html) (2004).

My work collegue got to Hobart on weekend and took some piccies for me.
Hobarts tallest building-
AMP Centre-14st/58m/1968

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/4609/amphob3ow.jpg

Silo apartments conversion

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/1844/siloshobart2wn.jpg

tallest structure in tassie
Mt Wellington telstra mast 130m

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/685/mtwelltower5to.jpg

Australia's oldest catholic church
St Johns, Richmond 1836

http://img158.exs.cx/img158/6957/stjohns6df.jpg


scale model display of early Hobart in Richmond.
gorgeous bonsai trees and exceptional models.
heres one of St Johns church which at the time was 2nd tallest structure in Australia in 1830's.

http://img158.exs.cx/img158/9594/modelstjohns9py.jpg

My work collegue got to Hobart on weekend and took some piccies for me.
Hobarts tallest building-
AMP Centre-14st/58m/1968

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/4609/amphob3ow.jpg

Silo apartments conversion

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/1844/siloshobart2wn.jpg

tallest structure in tassie
Mt Wellington telstra mast 130m

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/685/mtwelltower5to.jpg

Australia's oldest catholic church
St Johns, Richmond 1836

http://img158.exs.cx/img158/6957/stjohns6df.jpg


scale model display of early Hobart in Richmond.
gorgeous bonsai trees and exceptional models.
heres one of St Johns church which at the time was 2nd tallest structure in Australia in 1830's.

http://img158.exs.cx/img158/9594/modelstjohns9py.jpg

looks nice there. i'm a little surprised that the oldest catholic church was only from 1836. but then again most of australia is of british ancestry, which means protestant. or was australia not around for long when the church was built? any possible reasons the oldest catholic church was built that late?

Australia was only discovered by the british at the end of the 18th century.

There's not nearly enough photos of Hobart on here - nice teaser Cul. AMP looks good.

That's not the same St Johns in model and photo is it??

Australia was only discovered by the british at the end of the 18th century.

Australia was first discovered by Europeans in the 15thC by a Portugese explorer and later around early to mid 16thC by the more well known Dutch explorers. Speaking of Tasmania it was originally known as Van Diemen's Land the island below New Holland (Australia). Discovered by Abel Tasman 1642, naturally from the Nederlands.

http://www.abeltasman.org/tasmans.jpg

that AMP Building is a small version of the Sydney AMP building. So similair!

looks nice there. i'm a little surprised that the oldest catholic church was only from 1836. but then again most of australia is of british ancestry, which means protestant. or was australia not around for long when the church was built? any possible reasons the oldest catholic church was built that late?
i said it was oldest catholic church. that doesnt mean it was first.there were many catholic as well as Anglican before 1800.Sydney first major cath church was St marys in 1821. Most churches then were wooden . St MArys burnt to the ground in 1865. A cathedral started after which is the cathedral which stands today.
Australia's oldest Anglican church is St Lukes @ Liverpool,NSw built 1819.
The oldest church in Australia is the Ebenezor church near Windsor,NSW built 1809.

here is an aricle about new hotel proposed for macquarie street.
http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,12317142%255E3462,00.html

www.emporis.com does not have a picture of this building (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=169550)

thanks for link scared! yes i havent got a pic yet , thus no pic on ss.com. but will try.
heres the thread about the hotel>>
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=181315

i said it was oldest catholic church. that doesnt mean it was first.there were many catholic as well as Anglican before 1800.Sydney first major cath church was St marys in 1821. Most churches then were wooden . St MArys burnt to the ground in 1865. A cathedral started after which is the cathedral which stands today.
Australia's oldest Anglican church is St Lukes @ Liverpool,NSw built 1819.
The oldest church in Australia is the Ebenezor church near Windsor,NSW built 1809.

thanks for the info.

ive just added two historic highrise to hobarts ss.com. The 7st/35m CML bldg of 1936 and 37m/6st TG bldg of 1938. both terrific towers.

CML
http://www.deh.gov.au/cgi-tmp/rt54523-27107.jpg

T&G
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an23504221-v.jpg

here is the latest list on ss.com
please let me know of errors ect'
its getting there. now 19 skyscrapers!!

bldg/height/storeys/year
1. Wrest Point Casino 73 m /19 /1973
2. AMP Building 58 m /14 /1968
3. Commonwealth Government Centre.. 52 m /14 /1976
4. 10 Murray Street 46m/12/1976
5. Aurora Building 46 m /12/ 1972
6. Trafalgar Building 45 m/ 12 /1995
7. Lands Building 45 m /12/ 1976
8. Hobart City Council 43 m /12 /1974
9. Hotel Grand Chancellor 42 m/ 12 /1987
10. Empress Towers 42 m /12 /1970
11. Royal Hobart Hospital 42 m /9 /1970
12. Reserve Bank Building 40 m /9 /1980
13. Number One Market Street 40 m /13 2006?
14. Silo Apartments 40 m /11/ 2001
15. Marine Board Building 37 m /9/ 1970
16. MBF Building 37 m /7 /1983
17. T&G Building 37 m/ 7 /1938
18. Executive Building 37m/111988
19. Colonial Mutual Life Building 35 m /7 /1936

heres some more pix of cbd from 1994
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11723208&T=P&S=1

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11723209&T=P&S=1

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11723180&T=P&S=1

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11723211&T=P&S=1

opening of casino 1973
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11722524&T=P&S=1


http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11723130&T=P&S=1

commonwealth bank 1954
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11722481&T=P&S=1

1971- AMP dominates
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11667529&T=P&S=1

1955- view from Holy trinity church. T&G dominates cityscape
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=11722733&T=P&S=1

Between 1984 and when? Apart from the Grand Chancellor (mid 80s), we have recently had the Federation Concert Hall (2001), and The Silo Apartments (2001), ZeroDavey (http://www.escapesresorts.com.au/locations_t_zero.htm) (2003) and OneCollins (http://www.onecollins.com.au/intro.html) (2004).


My point exactly...

great! :D Hobart feels like a sleepy town to me, time to get on the map besides Mary lol.

i'll keep supporting them in meantime. But would like to barrack behind my own city (hopefully soon)


the market cannot support teams in Hobart or Darwin.

lol Hobart reminds me of a sleepy town


which is nice!

lol hobart cbd is so cute!

some realestatedotcom
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/9938/102729938ml1129071964.jpg

st georges church shining brightly over battery point
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5109/102725109ml1101116204.jpg

the quay should be getting a major make over soon.
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/1133/102511133ml1120110526.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5632/102285632ml1111104791.jpg

tallest units in tassie Empress towers

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/4498/102714498ml1128478197.jpg


http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/0842/102520842cl1120611177.jpg

I love the way the houses rise on the hill in this shot.Very similar to Nagasaki and Wellington,New Zealand

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5109/102725109ml1101116204.jpg

The city is awesone.The only captial in Australia with close and tight geographical features

Hobart has the lowest vacancy rate of quality office space of any Capital, and given the recent growth in population and boom in industry a new high rise can't be too far away. There are one or two high rises close to the construction stage, but they are hotels or apartments. The 52m Commonwealth Government Centre is to have a two story addition of apartments, adding about 10m to the height. There have been a number of new 2-4 level office buildings constructed recently. Public pressure may prevent any building in Hobart from nearing 100m. As in most cities, more and more small businesses are utilising former inner city housing for office space rather than new buildings.

^ yes i agree,but the additional levels on commonwealth Gov Cent dont actually add height at all. this is what architect told me. the 2 levels are being built on roof which is lower then the plant level. but i think Hobart is due for a skyscraper. be it 12storeys or 20.

If you would like me to take a photo of a site in Darwin, just list it below and I'll do it as soon as possible.

If it's in the CBD it should be done very quickly.

I just need the address and and special instructions, if any.

I hate to be a realist, but look at Melbourne Storm. Sporting Performance wise, a very sucesful team and for a non NSW/QLD team, very respected.

But it can't support itself - they only get 8,000 or so to each game if they're lucky. Aparently they are looking into moving the club elsewhere - Gold Coast Storm is not out of the question (it has a ring to it). Perth was looking into it (still might be) but are concerned the same thing that happened to storm would happen to Perth. And I can't see why it wouldn't - unless you had a similar situation to the Broncos/Lions in Brisbane (but reversed).

I dare say Darwin could not support a major national comp team. Not yet anyway. As stated before, Queensland will get a 3rd and possibly a 4th team before Darwin will get an NRL team. You've got the central queensland (Bundy/Rocky/Gladstone/Maryborough/Hervey Bay) region which would make a good team, Sunshine Coast and even some Brisbane suburban teams.

I think the only thing stopping Brisbane itself getting another team is that we've always been a one-team city. Sydney supports bucketloads of teams (and Melbourne in the AFL) but it's a different mindset. Almost like we go for Brisbane, and not the Broncos. It's not too good for the future of the sport, because when the Broncos don't play too good, a whole city loose interest. Had there been 3 or 4 teams, chances are 1 would get in the finals and would be a much more dynamic fan base. I think this explains the recent rise of AFL in Brisbane - it started when the Broncos played shit and the Lions won the grand final. In the interests of NRL's future in South Queensland there needs to be some new teams.

Man that was funny - reading these posts - then saw this one and kept disagreeing - then to my horror I looked over and saw that I wrote it!

My opinions have definitely changed now that I live here.

Hi - I'm new to this forum.

I currently live in Canberra ACT (Braddon) but have previously
lived in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne & Sydney + overseas.

My girlfriend and I have seriously been thinking about relocating
to Hobart in Tasmania at some stage, even tho we haven't even
been there yet. I've heard a lot of good things about it tho.

Has there been much inner-city apartment building there over the
last few years, like there has been in other aussie cities? I'd be
interested in any pics of the inner city.

Probably the best new housing developments I've seen recently have been
in Subiaco in Perth. I tend to like apartment complex's that will stand the
test of time and look good 50 years from now.

Anyway - good to find this forum.

Cheers.

Hi there, yes there has been a considerable amount of appartment building in Hobart and it's continuing. Small appartments can be had for $250,000+ up to $3 million. Most are adjacent to the waterfront and have spectacular views. If I could figure out how to post piccies I would post some new developments.

:) Thanks for the info. Yep - any pics would be great.

I'm more on the $250,000 side of things than the 3 million side.

Here is a link to some photos taken while in Hobart 12 months ago:

http://www.tassiephotos.homestead.com/index.html

Regards,

Drew

fantastic drew. appreciate it. always love seeing photos of hobart.
cheers

Thanks, mate. Plenty more to come.
If I could get a decent job there I'd move to Hobart tomorrow!

I went to Hobart in January of this year, and I did notice that there a few new residential apartment buildings in the CBD. Although they are all around the 6-8 level range, most of them have nice designs, and the views are superb.

This is beside the point, but Hobart is a very enchanting city, and I am tempted to buy (when I can afford it!) a holiday home or apartment in Hobart.

Great photos Drew! Hobart definitely proves that a city does not have to be big, or have big skyscrapers to be beautiful!

Great pictures of Hobart. i was there for the first time back in July 2004 and found it very clean and beautiful. It kinda reminds me of Canberra!

in todays fin review there is a big story on developer Sabina planning to build a lighthouse themed hotel in Georgetown. Its planned for 2007 and will have themed units (french,italian ect). the artist impression looked impressive.
20storeys = about 60m?
can someone post article?
called- SABINA COURTS YOUNG LOVERS

sabina website for hotel>
http://www.sabina.com.au/current-activities/4/
brief description-
A themed boutique hotel consisting of: ground level for reception, restaurant, cocktail bar, shops; level 2 for function facilities; level 3 - 6 for hotel suites (total 60 rooms); level 7 for an exclusive "Lighthouse Club". Level 20 is observation deck with a white feature membrane material wrapping the lift tower between level 7 to 18; giving a unique "lighthouse" appearance. This development has the potential of becoming an iconic landmark not only for George Town but for whole of Tasmania.
-------------------------------

article from ABC


See plans before judging proposed hotel, says developer
The chairman of a Queensland company seeking to build a $20 million hotel in northern Tasmania is urging people to wait until the plans are publicly released before passing judgement.

The Brisbane property investment and development company Sabina Corporation wants to build a boutique hotel on prime land near York Cove in the George Town municipality.

A development application is yet to be submitted to the George Town Council for consideration.

Company chairman Peter Chen says while the George Town Chamber of Commerce is already raising concerns about the 20-level development, the design is in the early stages.

"It's too early to crystalise the height of the site," he said.

"The plan that we have indicated is only schematic and it's only to show the concept. There's a lot more work to be done."
-----------------------------------------------
The $16,000 firm with $500m plans
BY TOM ELLISON , Thursday, 9 February 2006


BIG PLANS: Developer Peter Chen hopes to develop projects worth $100 million in Tasmania.


print this story...

The company behind a plan to build a $20 million, 20-storey hotel at George Town has less than $16,000 in net assets, according to documents released to the Australian Stock Exchange.

Sabina Corp.'s 2005 annual report shows a surplus of assets over liabilities of just $15,709, and states that the company's accumulated losses exceed $7.4 million.

The company's assets include a leased Jaguar motor vehicle and a mobile phone.

Sabina has a single employee, chief executive Peter Chen.

Auditors to the company say Sabina's ability to continue operations and meet debts as they fall due is dependent on financial support from another company associated with Mr Chen, and "on future events, which are inherently uncertain".

Mr Chen hopes to develop residential and tourism projects worth $100 million around the State, and is said to be looking for a suitable site to build a $350 million Chinese-themed cultural resort. New Orleans is being touted as a possible location.

The Tasmanian projects include a 99-unit apartment and hotel complex near the University of Tasmania's Launceston campus at Newnham and a 140-block Chinese-themed subdivision, golf course and resort near Scottsdale.

An industrial park at Legana and two residential developments in the South of the State are also claimed to be on Sabina's drawing board.

The George Town Council this week admitted it was close to selling a parcel of council-owned property to Sabina but Mayor Doug Burt admitted details of the proposed 20-storey hotel, restaurant and observation tower complex were scant.

Mr Burt also said that the council had not considered whether Sabina had the financial capacity to raise funds for the $20 million venture.

The council has been criticised for conducting secret negotiations to sell the property to Sabina and for failing to seek community input on whether a 20-storey building would be appropriate for the area.

Mr Chen defended his proposal earlier this week, saying George Town needed an icon property to attract people to the area.

He also said that no decision had been made on how to raise capital for the project, suggesting the sale of time share units or club memberships as options to raise the $20 million.

Agreeing that his offer was subject to a number of conditions, Mr Chen declined to say how much he was prepared to pay for the vacant land, saying that in a $20 million project the price of land was inconsequential.

The council is expected to decide within days whether to sell the land to Sabina.

(sigh) OK, here comes a highly opinionated rant.

Look, I don't mind big developments in a place like Georgetown. Heck, it's a sleepy little town located next to a scenic river and near some scenic coastline, making it ripe for some tourist development. But I'm getting a little tired of this post-modernist tacky crap (pretending to be critical regionalism) that mediocre developers allow mediocre architects to design, just so they can show the world how small their peni... I mean how big their ego's are.

You can tell from quotes like this:
The chairman of a Queensland company seeking ... is urging people to wait until the plans are publicly released before passing judgement.and this:
"The plan that we have indicated is only schematic and it's only to show the concept. There's a lot more work to be done."that even the chief protagonists aren't sure that this is the right way to go.

Judging by the financial situation of the developer explained in the story above, I doubt the project would go ahead anyway. Plus theirs a huge gigantic dirty great big billion dollar pulp mill going to be built just down the river a bit. I'm sure all those tourists would enjoy a great view of it from the lookout at the top.

http://www.sabina.com.au/_assets/1-08-03-2006-15-59-14.jpg
When will they let post-modernism die?

Hmmm, interesting. I had to look George Town up in the atlas. So I take it the the glowing bit is just the lift core up to the level 20 ob deck - ie even though its 20 storeys high it actually only has 8 floors?

So are you going to get George Town it's own page on Emporis Cul? :)

^yes basically a 8storey hotel with mast on top which is accessed by a lift and topped with observation turret. if it gets approved ill add George Town to Emporis.

Looks a bit like a cock.

Abit OTT for Tassie I think!

Looks a bit like a cock.

I agree. Just look at that illuminated, "throbbing" shaft. Don't you just want to grab it and tug it a little?

^yes the church light up is St Georges at battery Point.
at over 107ft high, on completion in 1847, it was the 3rd tallest structure in Australia! amazing really.

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5109/102725109ml1146232800.jpg

view across to Sandy Point.
wrest point casino
at 21st/73m it is still tallest in tassie after 33 years.
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/6286/103116286ml1144386004.jpg

No offence but that thing is soo ugly, just another develpers way to make more money.

This is one of the ugliest things I have ever seen. It reminds me of the shit that got built at Niagra Falls in the 80s. An embarassment for Tasmania. Who the hell dreamt this up? (Themed rooms!!! What is this? Vegas in the 60s?)

I bet people will want it tared down in 10 years because it's so ugly, thats if it is made. Anyway Who designed that? Some monkey from the 70's. It should not be built in the first place.

Hey Guys, thought this article in the yesterday's NT News might be of interst.



Twin Towers plan for Darwin city
By BEN LANGFORD
08jun06
TWIN towers that would be Darwin's second-largest buildings are proposed for a site in the city.




At 30 storeys, the Sunset Towers development would be second in height only to the Evolution building being built nearby.

Adelaide developers APP plan to build 249 units in the 6900sqm development, which is before the Development Consent Authority.

A decision is expected soon.

There were no objections to the plan yesterday.

This pleased architect Mark Bell, director of Bell Gabbert Associates, who designed the towers.

The proposal is for 25 storeys of residential towers above five storeys of recreational and car park levels, with a pool, tennis court and barbecue area.

``The splayed arrangement of the floor plates provides a good level of privacy both between apartments and between each tower,'' Mr Bell said yesterday.

``The vistas will include a panorama encompassing the city and harbour around to the casino, Frances Bay and waterfront.''

But last night Planning Action Network's (PLan) Margaret Clinch said: ``There doesn't seem to be any discipline left in the planning at all.

``It seems to be `you come with a plan and we approve it'.

``More and more it seems that if the project seems to reflect government policy of providing employment it gets approved.

``PLan no longer has faith in the planning process whatsoever.''

Ms Clinch added she had no problem with the design of Sunset Towers but she said parkland was needed near high-density living.

Beautiful !!!

wow, fantastic.no objections! perfect. Approve one tall and others will follow. Darwin wont be recognizable in 10 years. thats 2x 300/90mfooters. near 330ft/100 Evolution! and not forgeting Outrigger! mark bell is a good architect. ive spoke to hima few times over past couple of years.cant wait for plans or renders. should get em after approval!
cheers staminous

great news for darwin!!

So are all DA's in the NT asssesed by the Territory are they? If anyones keen to look for other development proposals in Darwin then have a trawl through this (http://www.ipe.nt.gov.au/whatwedo/planning/notices/2006/index.html). The notice for Sunset Towers is under 24th March 2006. No extra info or renders but it does include a little map - the site is right up the back of the CBD.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7310/darwinipemap8pm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

yes i look through planning notices all the time. must missed it.
good location
cheers

Town of Darwin?

Are they not even considered a city council?

Of course it's a city. It has over 100,000 people.
To the best of my knowledge, to be classed as a "city" in Australia, the population has to be over 20,000.

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/6677/103216677ml1148617397.jpg

looks nice there. i'm a little surprised that the oldest catholic church was only from 1836. but then again most of australia is of british ancestry, which means protestant. or was australia not around for long when the church was built? any possible reasons the oldest catholic church was built that late?
There's quite a simple explanation: Catholicism was illegal until 1829 in the UK and Australia. Before then Catholicism was mostly underground and a number of priests and parishoners were severely punished.

St Johns is the oldest "remaining" catholic church. there were many built before 1836.
St Marys in Sydney started in 1821.part of a wall is still extant.

I know.... but it's weird. They must have just tolerated it because so many of the convicts were Ctaholic or something because, officially, it was illegal. Quite a curious piece of history.

I think Darwin along with GC, TAS and Canberra are not well represented in the national competition. I feel the NBL by moving the Hunter Pirates to Singapore, just implied that NT has no sports market. I think this is grossly wrong.

In the AFL, the Northern Suns - based in Darwin and some games in Alice Springs. Great for night matches and the winter season is the best season in NT.

Cairns too could support a N QLD team playing in Townsville as well. Canberra and Tas can be the new bases for relocated VFL/AFL teams in Melbourne, like the Hawks and the Kangaroos.

Darwin has been administered by the Darwin City Council since 1957.

I noticed even here in Brisbane, some old maps in the late 1980's classify Brisbane to be the "Town of Brisbane", it must be just some planner still call it a town. I know working at Logan council, some planners refer to Logan Council as Logan Shire Council still in written and spoken communication still.

I don't think Darwin has the population to grant an NRL or AFL team just yet hopefully in the future for sure, but I do find it unfair that the city/territory is being overlooked for team's coming from completely different countries like New Zealand for example.

The Australian sporting authorities should worry about developing teams for the whole Australia before going out and targetting teams from New Zealand to join an Australian league.

I went to the Victorian state library yesterday to look up any information about Darwin's proposed twin 30 story Sunset Towers at Harvey Street.

I did manage to come accross a small black and white render of the Mark Bell designed development. They are basically round in shape with a few sharp edges (similar to Q1).


But i did come accross a much larger artical in an NT Government 8 page suppliment outlining various large projects. e.g. heavy infrastructure, mining, oil exploration, port expansion etc, etc.

There was a whole page article on the this twin 25 story apartment development. Bascially the details are as follows:


To be funded and constructed by local company MALEKOS GROUP. Who has the finance ready to go. This company has successfully built several other Darwin highrise apartment blocks and a major timor sea gas pipe line.

To be built on the former Top End Hotel/Motel site. Corner of Daly Street and The Esplanade. (which Malekos Group already own) Prime Esplanade frontage.

It is called, "Ascension".
There was a wonderful full sized colour render. The development is very stylish ...more so than Evolution in my opinion.

Obviously aware of sales competition from Evolution, Malekos states "it's not the tallest, but is the most upmarket". Prices to begin at $600 000+.

The towers are predominately white with striking flashes of purple, pink, gold and yellow. Rectanglular with a striking roof top.

In all, this is by far probably the most visually appealing proposed tower complex in darwin.

Construction to begin in September to be completed in March 2008!!!

However, this is pending permission from the NT Development Consent Authourity.

But considering they let Pandanus Outrigger and Evolution through, ...this one will easily get through due to its superior design.

There was a guy on here the other month saying that he was actually working on the drafts for this development. I wonder if this person can post more information himself. ( ..he's only new, one of only two darwin based members on here.)

So thats,

33 story Evolution u/c
26 story Pandanus Outrigger u/c

2 x 30 story Sunset Towers proposed
2 x 25 story Ascension Towers proposed ...hopefully with a september start.

also the 2x 10 story Arkababa development is now also under construction, and the 10 story luxury Lameroo Beach apartment tower development next door to the Esplanade Holiday Inn.

also, a 15 story apartment tower on the southern end of the Esplanade is now complete. But so far It's hard to get any information about this, but it dwarfs Darwin's State Insurance building (the city's tallest ofice tower) next door.


Thanks guys.

Good news for Darwin.
Pitty you couldnt get a scan of the render.

wow, thanks staminous. darwin is just taking off. 2more 300footers. wont recognize the city soon. the 15storey you mention is maybe carey st tower?
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=214799
thanks

Alright, this is getting ridiculous. And I'm getting jealous :)

Found the DA notice (look here (http://www.ipe.nt.gov.au/whatwedo/planning/notices/2006/index.html) under 28th April). Seems it's actually towers of 23 & 24 storeys with 128 "flats" :lol: - all of them 3 bedrooms which is unusual.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2787/4dalydarwin4nf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm guessing its no coincidence that Charles Darwin visited Ascension Island during his voyage on the Beagle??? I guess ascension is a good name for highrise in any case.

flats? love the old term. yes the Ascension. what great names darwinese are coming up with for there new wave of skyscrapers.that DA has an architect contact. i might ring em to find out more.
thanks

amazing Darwin is really becoming a Boom Town
whats fueling all this demand ?

Man thats ugly
What a mistake
Its a landmakr for sure.

The word TACKY does come to mind with this one. I have periodically peeped in to this thread and still can't see the point, in fact why is it here at all?

....however, if it stops a few ships crashing into the rocks, so be it.

Perhaps they will see it and then crash to wipe the impression of this tower from their minds forever. I know the idea entered my head.

thought I'd add a few piccies of Hobart I've taken lately (mostly taken at night)

A little something I took out my window (stupid powerlines and trees :mad: )
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8792/01citypanorama2gh.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/340/kif09055ro.jpg

AMP Building in background
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2521/kif09043fd.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8176/kif00930oo.jpg

Hobart Rivulet after a drop of rain
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1485/40rivulet0iv.jpg

dam that thing looks a wierd. what an eyesore

I read somewhere, probulary here on this site,
that Darwin's main investor is one of it's sister cities; "Brunei" has billions of dollars invested in infrastructure:

There is the off shore OIL industry, which will allow 50% to go to Indonesia and 50% to the NT government, which will sell it to southern Australia once the processes are complete..

Melbourne is interested in getting a new railway via Brisbane & Toowoomba from Darwin. There is a website: It would be possible to catch a high speed train from Melbourne to Darwin, there is already 2 BILLION invested by major companies in NSW, VIC and QLD. With plans being around for over 15 years now.

http://www.rag.org.au/frag/victobne.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/features/train/default.htm

Also there is the large amount of mixed culture's mostly those who want to escape the larger cities and start something new in a all year round warm city. I guess while most of us southerns think it's too hot, or at least the humidity we cannot stand. Those who are from Asia already experience this kind of heat and would be used to it.

^yes quite amazing. darwins potential is mind boggling.
thanks for links

It ees that old Tassie has gone quiet with the Scrapers, where are all the developers

What's the rivulet?? Is it like a canal or something that runs through the city?

MG2

What's the rivulet?? Is it like a canal or something that runs through the city?

MG2

Hi MG2,

Pretty much - it runs under a lot of the city, but it is exposed in some areas (such as in the pic above). You can see it on this map:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=-42.881357,147.331123&spn=0.011274,0.020127&om=1

If you switch to satellite view you will notice that through most of it's length it isn't visible at all.

The photo above was taken near corner of Collins St and Campbell St, at a guess!

It ees that old Tassie has gone quiet with the Scrapers, where are all the developers

most likey being scared off by community groups and the stupid council>(

developers really need to pull there head out and build a signature tower for the CBd. it would create interest and give some life to the city.
some recent piccies

cbd
http://static.flickr.com/113/261462855_7b8fffc5b0_b.jpg

58m/14st dominates CBD

http://static.flickr.com/101/252803985_52366f2611_o.jpg


nice art deco Mercury bldg

http://static.flickr.com/93/265997329_1a905b803f.jpg?v=0

classic T&G
http://static.flickr.com/98/263849506_76b792516e.jpg?v=0

elizabeth st mall
http://static.flickr.com/86/263849504_7acb9f60d8.jpg?v=0


http://static.flickr.com/108/260215692_3bfb66f3cd.jpg?v=0

mt wellington
http://static.flickr.com/92/256810310_0744c6579b_o.jpg

200ft tv tower dominates this view

http://static.flickr.com/90/252803910_21a9a19cf5_o.jpg


http://static.flickr.com/83/261462863_b55d55913a_b.jpg

north hobart

http://static.flickr.com/97/260685603_c1e7b74d05_o.jpg

hobart from mt wellington

http://static.flickr.com/87/260457429_b6f2e0786e_b.jpg

totally agree culwulla
nice selection of pics there too

Given that pretty much any tower development is probably going to come from state government needs rather than any serious business development then it's probably a good size. What they really need is to drive business growth in the city. Then more towers will follow.

Despite our desires for it, I just don't think there's any demand for a new big tower, developer, business or government. There has, however, been a lot of building going on in Hobart, as in other parts of Tasmania. Most of it in the form of new apartment buildings (up to about 7 storeys...), refurbishing older buildings, urban renewal, etc.

The govt is holding a competition (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/) to redesign a large area adjacent to the waterfront where there's some good sites for a new tower. Perhaps this is the catalyst for development we are looking for.

http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/ims/comp_area.jpg

nice pics cul!

Fantastic pictures - wow

make sure you Hobart people vote on this thread

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=412027

Hi MG2,

Pretty much - it runs under a lot of the city, but it is exposed in some areas (such as in the pic above). You can see it on this map:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=-42.881357,147.331123&spn=0.011274,0.020127&om=1

If you switch to satellite view you will notice that through most of it's length it isn't visible at all.

The photo above was taken near corner of Collins St and Campbell St, at a guess!

They should do more to capitalise on this. It's a unique feature in an an Australian city and quite picturesque.

tassies tallest structure
130m telstra tower mt wellington

http://static.flickr.com/122/300624576_c4678af955.jpg?v=0

still tassies tallest building since 1973.
Wrest point casino
19st/73m

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9339/wrstpointjd2.jpg

Hobart looks beautiful, I really love the Rivulet (sic?) -probably just because I have a thing for canals.

does mt wellington ever get snow on it?

http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/ims/comp_area.jpg

Those sheds just to the right of the area selected are in such prime real estate! WHY ARE THERE SHEDS THERE AND NOT APARTMENTS OR MIXED USE????!

Hobart reminds me of Gosford. That's always a good thing :ohno:



EDIT: Sorry, just realised that those sheds are converted apartments... my bad.

http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/

Hobart City Council has called for designs to rejuvenate/reinvent the Hobart waterfront area (Sullivan's Cove). 280 designs were received from over 50 countries.

Winners were announced on Australia Day, and are on display at both the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery, and online at the above website.

The three winning entries appeared to be rather conservative - but there are some great ideas in there which weren't selected, such as the ones from Emma Mitchell Architects (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/3144_web.jpg), Volkan Erkan (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/3500_web.jpg) and Cabezas Borja (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/3088_web.jpg) - (they are just from the ones I glanced at).

Why from all those world class competition entrants, those chose three of the most safe, boring, unexciting entries???? What a wasted opportunity. :ohno:

I know, it is quite depressing. The third winner is probably the most adventurous of the three, but I agree with the "wasted opportunity" statement. I'm sure many Sydneysiders thought the design for the Sydney Opera House was a horrid modern art monstrosity when they first saw the design ... but it is now an internationally recognised symbol of Sydney!

FYI, the juries' runner-up entrants were:

Jaklina Lindle, Lindle-Lindle, Melbourne, Australia (2965) (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/2965_web.jpg)
Bratislav Gakovic, JJB, Warrington, United Kingdom (3325) (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/3325_web.jpg)
Daniel Ortiz, Arquivio Arquitectura and AGI Architects, Madrid, Spain (3437) (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/3437_web.jpg)
Satoshi Matsuoka and Yuki Tamura, Tokyo, Japan (3535) (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/3535_web.jpg)

None of which I think are a patch on the three I linked before. But then, I'm not a professional architect or urban designer so what do I know :P

I quite liked the student design...

I quite liked the student design...

Which one? I thought the Travis Wright one was the best of the student winners.

some great designs. the waterfront really needs to be world class. yes the 3 winning are not bad. I really liked a design from a guy that works here at sydney city council. he had a 100m tall building at the quay. real landmark with mixed use /roof top observation etc. oh well.
thanks for posting

I really liked a design from a guy that works here at sydney city council. he had a 100m tall building at the quay. real landmark with mixed use /roof top observation etc. oh well.


this one (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/2802_web.jpg) or this one (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/2574_web.jpg)?

Hi all, thought I'd share with you my vision for Hobart! :) This is my own design proposal for Hobart waterfront redevelopment which I wanted to submit in the recent competition but didn't ended up doing. However I am expecting to use if for my Master thesis proposal. I spent about 2 months working on it p/t

some sketches & scribbless
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/sketch3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/sketch4.jpg

massing study
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/blue_diagram.jpg

preliminary idea for Dunn Place car park..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/square.jpg

more scribbles
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/sketch2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/sketch1.jpg

idea for the rivulet.. let the stream flow!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/rivuletpath2.jpg

Dunn Place car park
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/dunnpl2.jpg

more scribbles
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/sketch2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/sketch1.jpg

Wapping Corner
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/hedburggarage2.jpg

waterfront..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/b387.jpg

rivulet walk
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/rivuletwalk2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/canalwall.jpg

Did anything ever happen with this Cul ?

Why from all those world class competition entrants, those chose three of the most safe, boring, unexciting entries???? What a wasted opportunity. :ohno:

This is Tasmania. Most Tasmanians value safe, boring and unexciting. Believe me, as someone who has worked for architects and as a "building designer", I've tried to get clients and employers not to waste their opportunities. But, alas, mediocrity seems to be a core Tasmanian value.

Frankly, knowing how the State Govt operates here, I'm surprised they held a competition at all.

The exhibition makes a good excuse for a trip to Hobart though.

this one (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/2574_web.jpg)?

That looks pretty good.


Jaklina Lindle, Lindle-Lindle, Melbourne, Australia (2965) (http://www.hwidc.tas.gov.au/resims/2965_web.jpg)


And this one was interesting. Nice idea and looked good. Probably my favourite from the ones I've seen.

And the Tokyo peoples roof concept was unique.

The winners were plain boring, the third one the most different of the three..

chuq, it was submission on right. i liked it.

havent heard. maybe when the waterfront starts, the rest of city should be modelled.

I think any result of this will be a real winner for Hobart. I'm in Perth, and would love to visit Hobart, this only adds to that desire. What time will it be finished? I hope it's not some year like 2015, like most Perth redevolpment plans are supposed to finish.

No. They're not building any of this. It was only ever an "ideas" competition. It was only meant (to paraphrase the organisers) to put some ideas out there and start "the debate".

I went and saw this at the TMAG the other day. Interesting mix of ideas, although no one seemed to mind too much in cutting off davey st and macquarie st even though these are possibly the busiest streets in the whole state.

I quite like both the ones that chuq posted links to that feature towers out in the habour. This would make a great landmark.

I saw a there were a few 3d models of the city in the waterfront design comp. maybe they just flogged them :-P

some interesting ideas there pas. pity you didn't submit it, especially considering how detailed the 3d models look!
I like the sound of where the rivulet walk thing is going, although from an insurance point of view it mightn't be the best idea to let people wander along the rivulet bed.
maybe a board walk type thing would be better.

Wow, very detailed models there mate. Alot of effort put in there! Good work.

Good evening,
My father is looking to relocate to Darwin for business and he wanted to know what the average house prices are in the inner-city suburbs and what the rents are like in the CBD and inner city areas.

Also just a general question from me, has Darwin got an increasing number of eating establishments like restaurants and cafes?

Cheers.

I think I'm the only Darwin resident on here, but as I've lived in the same place for a while I don't follow rental and housing prices that closely. Still, I've heard prices having rocketing upwards, and I'm pretty sure they're now a lot higher than Adelaide. Darwin's been generally following the Perth style resource-based house price explosion. Rents are also pretty high because of the huge Defence population who all receive rental subsidies which just encourage landlords to increase their asking price by the same amount - everyone else gets forced out of the market.

The number of eating establishments is slowly increasing, especially in the city centre, in fact its hardly reconigsable from a few years ago, and once the new waterfront development and a few other city constructions are finished it should improve even more - but we could always use a few extra!

Thanks for your reply Deep North.
Very interesting to hear that actually but it sounds pretty true.

As for Restaurants and the like, the business my dad is involved in bases its success on the number of restaurants/bars that it can service so of course a growing market in that area would surely benefit the business.

Thanks again.

whats happened to this project??

^^ Its still on the cards, but they are waiting for the market to catch up. There are so many major developments going on at the moment (in much better locations than this one) that it might take some time before demand is there for it to go ahead. Its actually called Sunrise Towers (not Sunset) which makes a lot more sense because they are on the side of the city that faces east. Renders of the towers are in the Darwin Projects thread.

May as well chuck it in here...

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9477/sunriseha1.jpg

some from flickr
apr18
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/471943078_b29d4e8c11_o.jpg

apr27
Battery point in backgrd

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/474299132_d342a4c5f0_o.jpg

customs house

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/477356260_d57f532607_b.jpg

Ross Bridge /Australia;s oldest 1823

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/477380259_401db8feed_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/469855290_dc21ae7d51_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/467171518_0ff14c5507_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/467184669_2cc0309814_o.jpg

st davids cathedral

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/467182789_6253da03ab_o.jpg

markets seem popular

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/467168286_0abc3676bb_o.jpg

Tasmanisa tallest structure-130m testra tower + 1270m Mt Wellington elevation= 1400m above sea level!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/467012643_5eb8f00553_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/216/467011865_ae9a25815e_o.jpg

So what exactly is going on with this building at the moment, does anybody know? Is it the penthouse projects that have been mentioned previously on some of these threads???.............

cant insert the pic.....

..new to this thing, can anyone tell me how to insert pictures????

yes i remember. such a massive bldg.
from emporis-
In 2005, it was planned to erect a 2 level penthouse on the roof of this building, but as a result of the strengthening Hobart office market, the original plans have been modified and now the building will receive an extra two floors of office accommodation.
- The addition of the two extra floors of office space is expected to cost $6.5 million.

photo
click>
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=459913

Is there any way I can post pictures of my own? Got some recent shots of the building undergoing construction of these add-on levels...

yes, just join in free photo host site. like www.imageshack.us. or hit the BROWSE button and grab your photo from your pc.
you then upload your photos on the site.
and you simply copy its url address and post it in a thread. put this at front of address> and this at end
tel me how you go.

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=govbuldingfz8.jpg

See if this works.....


http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4640/govbuldingfz8.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7149/citykk2.jpg

nice pics rent-a-kill, although the first one looks a bit dated.
I keep meaning to take a piccy of this every day when I walk past but always forget :lol:

for anyone that is wondering, the first additional floor is well under way now.

The addition of the two extra floors of office space is expected to cost $6.5 million.

maybe I just want to see more high rises in Hobart (who doesn't?), but surely we could actually build a fairly large office block for $6.5mil?

and does anyone have any idea what the deal with the funny uneven vertical windows are?

and another thing, AFAIK the top section (where the funny vertical windows are) used to be the plant room...how have they managed to not need this anymore?:?

Yeah I guess that pic would be at least a couple of months old... It looks a bit different to that now.

No idea why the windows are staggered like that and all different sizes. It's bizzare.

great rentakill. so is this addition finished now? yes would be nice for Hobart to actually build a new skyscraper. must be the most stagnated city in Australia? why? it has such promise.so much potential.

skyscrapers or no, hobart is a beautiful little city. i've spent many happy hours walking around the docks area and salamanca place. even in winter! it's all fine so long as there's boags on tap when my feet get tired.

not finished yet Culwulla.
I'm about to walk to work, so I'll try to remember to take some pics this time on the way!

as promised here are some pics I took on my way past:)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1643/dsc00323vk0.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1975/dsc00324zm9.jpg

Is there any way I can post pictures of my own? Got some recent shots of the building undergoing construction of these add-on levels...

There's now a sticky thread in skybar that has tips on this subject - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=472341

excellent shots of hobart by the way!

great rentakill. so is this addition finished now? yes would be nice for Hobart to actually build a new skyscraper. must be the most stagnated city in Australia? why? it has such promise.so much potential.

^^ i agree... it seems to be the only big city in australia that hasnt caught the construction boom :(

ooo a render??! well done muse. are these still on the drawing board?

great rentakill. so is this addition finished now? yes would be nice for Hobart to actually build a new skyscraper. must be the most stagnated city in Australia? why? it has such promise.so much potential.


Not much population growth, and not much expectation of long term growth, and economically it always trails the other states and it doesn't have a single big corporation hq based in it's city. Even the apartment market will never really result in a lot of towers being built, not when you can own a decent house, which typically has a pretty good view (unless you live in the chavey northen suburbs), and you can drive to the centre of town in less time than it would take to drive along Punt Rd in Melbourne. It's a lovely town, but that's really all it will ever be, just a town.

Hi, i'll be visiting Hobart for the first time in July.

Can anyone please tell me what the shopping is like - apart from Salamanca Markets i have no idea what's there? I guess there is a downtown pedestrian street or Westfield Mall?

Thanks

Hi, i'll be visiting Hobart for the first time in July.

Can anyone please tell me what the shopping is like - apart from Salamanca Markets i have no idea what's there? I guess there is a downtown pedestrian street or Westfield Mall?

Thanks
Just spent the weekend in Hobart (first trip to Tassie) and had a great time.

Main downtown pedestrian street is Elizabeth Street from what I could gather. Not much in terms of enclosed shopping malls other than 'Centrepoint' and 'Centro Cat & Fiddle'.

Darwin deserves a NRL before Cairns deos!

^^ lol

Can we off load Port Power to the NT... Free of Charge!

Darwin may not get an AFL team, but the push is definately on for a team to represent the NT in a big league.

Storm brews over NT AFL team

June 29, 2007 A STORM is brewing over where the Northern Territory's Australian Rules football team will have its base - in the steamy capital or the desert town of Alice Springs.

Territory football groups met this week to discuss plans to set up the team to play in either the SAFL or the WAFL.

NT member for Port Darwin Kerry Sacilotto issued a statement after the meeting saying it would be a natural choice for any team to be based in Darwin.

But member for Stuart Karl Hampton today said he backed Alice Springs, claiming the town was at the heart of the territory.

"We have a proud tradition of producing great AFL players like Darryl White and current Kangaroo, Matthew Campbell," he said. "I was born in Alice and I have spent most of my life playing, coaching and watching footy in Alice and I can swear to you one thing - Darwin may be the Capital of the Territory, but Alice is the territory's AFL Capital."

Nearly half the town's population attended AFL matches, Hampton said. "Darwin can't match this," he said.

"After significant investment from the Martin government Traeger Park (in Alice Springs) is now an excellent venue for elite AFL training and games, let's use it."

Hampton said Darwin could still host at least a couple of games. In addition, he said a new training academy should be tied to the new team.

"The first Clontarf Academy in the Territory has been established in Alice Springs. The academy is going to be a breeding ground for great footballers and it makes sense to link it with the territory's footy team.

"Unlike Darwin, we actually play footy in Alice at the same time as down south. Players resting from the territory team can run around in the local league, strengthening the local competition.

"We are a growing community, with a good track record on delivering and supporting sporting events - this is an easy decision for the AFL."

Earlier this month, billionaire businessman and Carlton chairman Dick Pratt said he supported a proposal to see the NT team join the SAFL as soon as next year.

http://newsroom.nt.gov.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewRelease&id=2659&d=5
The Member for Port Darwin, Kerry Sacilotto, today called on the AFL to base any NT AFL Representative Team in the Top End.

“Darwin is the Capital of the Territory and it is natural to have a team representing the Territory based here,” said Ms Sacilotto who is also the Chair of the Sessional Committee on Sport and Youth.

“I’ll be asking the Territory Sports Minister, Kon Vatskalis, to make this part of his discussions with the AFL.

whats this bldg? looks tall
new bldg built on carpark?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/101566399_41fbc3c2d9_o.jpg

Yes. It's an office on top of a carpark.

what............that is strange

whats this bldg? looks tall
new bldg built on carpark?


Building is called the Trafalgar Centre .. floors 1, 2 are retail/commerical, 3-12 are car park, then floors 13, 14 and 15 are offices. So 15 storeys, which is the highest in the CBD, but the 12 storey AMP building is taller.. presumably because the height of 1 storey of car park isn't as high as the average 1 storey.

The building was actually originally built like that - it isn't an add-on or anything!

Yes, weird and a little ugly maybe.

That is very wierd and very ugly. I hope they come up with a well designed modern building for hobart CBD. This city desperately needs something special on what is quite a boring skyline.

some random shot
liverpool st. where else could you paint a sign on your property and see it from the nearby cBD? see top of hill "keens cure"

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1437/620503243_abda07aaef_b.jpg

See if this works.....

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7149/citykk2.jpg


That is just simply beautiful, great work! :)

some random shot
liverpool st. where else could you paint a sign on your property and see it from the nearby cBD? see top of hill "keens cure"

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1437/620503243_abda07aaef_b.jpg

Looks like that shot was taken pre-Myer fire as well!

the sign actually says "Keens Curry" :P

wow what a nice looking city! you should be proud!