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Þróndeimr November 9th, 2009, 11:54 AM Clarion Hotel & Congress Trondheim
Clarion Hotel Trondheim on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2153-clarion-hotel-trondh)
A 35 000 m2 hotel and aquarium in Trondheim. The hotel has 400 rooms and will be one of the largest conference hotels in Scandinavia. The
conference facilities include a congress/culture hall for 2000 people. Next to the hotel is a public park covering the 400 cars parking garage
which serves the hotel, aquarium and the existing swimming hall.
The white glass facade with a pixellated silk-screen print surrounds the hotel’s most striking feature: a star-shaped, golden atrium. Unlike
conventional atrium designs – where a grand, central, vertical space is exposed under a glazed roof – the Brattøra lobby has a much more complex
structure. It combines a series of views and angles, from panoramic fjord scenery to more intimate glimpses of the surrounding area. This puts the
hotel into context with Trondheim’s cityscape, where a large grid of straight streets is intersected by narrow, mediaeval closes.
Throughout the project, its designers have emphasised sustainability and an affinity with the site’s architectural typology. Public consultation and
interaction with local politicians led to some elevation design changes during the early stages of the development.
Due for completion in April 2012 the parking facilities on the site was torn down in January 2010, with foundation works on the hotel been prepared
through the spring of 2010.
View high resolution renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=71609273#post71609273)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7514/brattrahotel6x1000.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8306/brattrahotel5x1000.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6043/trondheimgrade00586.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/9250/clarionhotelcongresstrok.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/922/chtkongresslobby2x1000.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9844/aerialday2copy1460x1095.jpg
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/8616/aerialdaycopy1460x10950.jpg
Plan 01 (Se i full størrelse (http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4796/plan1h.jpg))
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3411/plan1x1000.jpg
Plan 07 (Se i full størrelse (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2192/plan7.jpg))
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8978/plan7x1000.jpg
Plan 09 (Se i full størrelse (http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/640/plan9.jpg))
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6954/plan9x1000.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3508/5plx.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3508/5plx.jpg
ivar_ka December 4th, 2009, 08:49 PM Some new info about the hotel at Brattøra:
http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC125767E003197D9?OpenDocument&frame=yes
Tohaki December 9th, 2009, 06:16 PM Some news on the hotel planned at Brattøra.
http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1420439.ece
http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.6902776
Tohaki December 10th, 2009, 07:04 PM This being Trondheim, the day after a project is presented the criticism comes.
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.6904027
That is not to say that all criticism is without foundation.
Þróndeimr December 10th, 2009, 07:15 PM ^^ that hotel was completely stopped a few years ago due to heavy opposition on the heights (8 floors tall). It has now been lowered to 7 floors.
That was approved.
Now they are back trying to stop it because its not green enough.
So far this opposition have made the project worse. Trondheim really need a grand hotel, but since they had to reduce the hotel, that cause is already lost! They should have done that 20 floor tall proposal which was one of the suggestions for this new hotel!
Þróndeimr May 9th, 2010, 05:10 PM I also see i have not mentioned Brattøra Kongresshotel in this thread yet. This is the renderings of the hotel at Brattøra, nabouring Pirbadet and Rockheim. The renderings are
not updated since they had to lower to building by one floor, so it will be one floor lower than on the renderings.
Project is designed by Space Group.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BrattraHotel2x1200.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BrattraHotel1x1200.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BrattraHotel3x1200.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BrattraHotelSituasjonsplanx1200.jpg
Full size image (2879x2089pixels) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BrattraHotelSituasjonsplan.jpg)
Þróndeimr May 9th, 2010, 05:12 PM Demolishion of the parking garage on the site is almost done now.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/DSC_0003x1000.jpg
Mulefisk May 10th, 2010, 02:36 PM I also see i have not mentioned Brattøra Kongresshotel in this thread yet. This is the renderings of the hotel at Brattøra, nabouring Pirbadet and Rockheim. The renderings are
not updated since they had to lower to building by one floor, so it will be one floor lower than on the renderings.
Project is designed by Space Group.
Your links are broken. :ohno:
Maggern2k May 10th, 2010, 10:06 PM Your links are broken. :ohno:
I see them fine...
Nice hotel! I'd love Brattøra to transform into a place I wouldn't detest spending time in. Just need to remove the freight terminal soon..
Þróndeimr May 10th, 2010, 10:10 PM Your links are broken. :ohno:
Can see them, might be that photobucket was down a moment earlier today.
54°26′S 3°24′E May 20th, 2010, 07:19 PM Can see them, might be that photobucket was down a moment earlier today.
At least for me, these links have been permanently down since you published your post. And I am not sure I like the new side of Arbeiderforeningen....
Þróndeimr May 20th, 2010, 07:48 PM ^^ strange, i can see them just fine, and which pictures are we talking about?
Can you see other pics i've uploaded lately?
IceCheese May 20th, 2010, 09:13 PM ^^I can't see the Brattøra ones now either, but I think I did last week:(
essenze May 21st, 2010, 12:00 AM Looking at the sketches, are these recently updated? I see that the old speedboat terminal (located between the hotel and Pirbadet) is not there. I know some of our (lame) politicians talked about tearing it down to get their freaking precious view of the fjord, but i am not aware if any such thing is decided. It would be a big shame if that was to happen, because it is a really nice building.
Also, the aquarium is drawn in. It is still not clear to me if that is decided to be built yet er not. Do you know if that is confirmed?
Þróndeimr May 21st, 2010, 12:41 PM ^^ I am not sure what is approved or not either, and i think the situation is stupid. They should have done a much better plan from the beginning (before Pirbadet was built). Because that old hurtigbåt-terminalen is beautiful, and should not be torn down. But Pirbadet was built next to it, and the edge of the new hotel will meet that buildings other side... That will make hurtigbåt-terminalen look very misplaces, an it will all look very misplaced and be a perfect example of poor planning.
^^I can't see the Brattøra ones now either, but I think I did last week:(
I've been having a lot of problems with photobucket lately, especially the quality issues. Was about to go to flickr, but then they fucked up everything last week when they banned skyscrapercity for 2 days (then they added a stupid flickr text beside every picture). Looks like i will go to tinypic, which i have been testing for a few months now. I have started uploading pics there, but it will take a while to move 15 000 photos...
Þróndeimr June 20th, 2010, 03:35 PM Construction update, 20.06.2010.
Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=8
http://i47.tinypic.com/a0f9j6.jpg
Ingenioren October 20th, 2010, 02:03 PM Finally construction starts on Brattøra conference hotel:)
http://www.horecanytt.no/id/44846
Þróndeimr October 21st, 2010, 07:50 AM ^^ it has been U/C for quite a while actually, two sections of the hotel is 3 floors up already.
Þróndeimr October 21st, 2010, 07:25 PM Clarion Hotel Trondheim
Clarion Hotel Trondheim on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2153-clarion-hotel-trondh)
A 35 000 m2 hotel and aquarium in Trondheim. The hotel has 400 rooms and will be one of the largest conference hotels in Scandinavia.......
http://i49.tinypic.com/23kcksp.jpg
Construction update, 20.10.2010.
http://i55.tinypic.com/xlcj6o.jpg
Ingenioren October 24th, 2010, 08:58 PM Who sets a "grunnstein" while 3rd floor is being built? :nuts:
Þróndeimr November 7th, 2010, 12:53 PM Clarion Hotel Trondheim
Clarion Hotel Trondheim on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2153-clarion-hotel-trondh)
A 35 000 m2 hotel and aquarium in Trondheim. The hotel has 400 rooms and will be one of the largest conference hotels in Scandinavia. The
conference facilities include a congress/culture hall for 2000 people. Next to the hotel is a public park covering the 400 cars parking garage
which serves the hotel, aquarium and the existing swimming hall.
The white glass facade with a pixellated silk-screen print surrounds the hotel’s most striking feature: a star-shaped, golden atrium. Unlike
conventional atrium designs – where a grand, central, vertical space is exposed under a glazed roof – the Brattøra lobby has a much more complex
structure. It combines a series of views and angles, from panoramic fjord scenery to more intimate glimpses of the surrounding area. This puts the
hotel into context with Trondheim’s cityscape, where a large grid of straight streets is intersected by narrow, mediaeval closes.
Throughout the project, its designers have emphasised sustainability and an affinity with the site’s architectural typology. Public consultation and
interaction with local politicians led to some elevation design changes during the early stages of the development.
Due for completion in April 2012 the parking facilities on the site was torn down in January 2010, with foundation works on the hotel been prepared
through the spring of 2010.
http://i49.tinypic.com/23kcksp.jpg
Construction update, 07.11.2010.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2ilngw8.jpg
Ingenioren November 7th, 2010, 04:28 PM Omg, the winter is already arrived! Thanks for updts!
IceCheese November 7th, 2010, 07:40 PM Yeez, I thought you had dug up some from some photo update in February!:eek:
Maggern2k November 9th, 2010, 01:39 AM God, it's times like this I remember why I emigrated to Oslo...:ohno:
GlennHGSD November 9th, 2010, 07:45 PM And then i look at Oslo at the worst winter weather times i am glad i live in Haugesund :lol:
Þróndeimr November 16th, 2010, 07:29 PM Finally got some renderings large enough that we are able to see the building! (Clarion Hotel Trondheim)
http://i54.tinypic.com/20hnamv.jpg
Copyright@ Luxigon (http://luxigon.fr/)
http://i52.tinypic.com/34eusfn.jpg
Copyright@ Luxigon (http://luxigon.fr/)
Þróndeimr November 16th, 2010, 07:31 PM And the facade tests up close, which i didn't really photograph then i visited the site last time.
http://i54.tinypic.com/2psefli.jpg
City of Rain November 16th, 2010, 07:37 PM wow, looks amazing!! :) good going, trondheim!
Þróndeimr November 16th, 2010, 07:42 PM good going, trondheim!
Not really, im still not over this getting reduced from 25 floors to 7 floors... :D
City of Rain November 16th, 2010, 08:06 PM ah, well.. that sucks!
but it still looks like a very expensive building :) love the golden stuff in the middle.
mjoks007 November 16th, 2010, 08:09 PM Most say I'm a bit sceptic to this hotel. With such location and their ambitions, the design should been way more spectacular. Now, I'm getting the hospital feeling every time I look at the render...
ivar_ka November 17th, 2010, 12:48 PM Maybe it is here somewhere already:
http://brattora.no
http://brattora.no/brattoera-i-3d/spill-av-film/
essenze November 17th, 2010, 08:19 PM Maybe it is here somewhere already:
http://brattora.no
http://brattora.no/brattoera-i-3d/spill-av-film/
Oh, i didn't know about that website. It's good! I have just been to this one before: http://www.brattorkaia.no/ and it sucks.... no updates. Of course i must say, to my dissapointment, the development on Brattøra is going extremely slow... still no sign of either the "Tverrforbindelse" or any of the buildings on the plots next to Rockheim :( I want some action - NOW ;)
Þróndeimr November 17th, 2010, 08:51 PM Oh, i didn't know about that website. It's good! I have just been to this one before: http://www.brattorkaia.no/ and it sucks.... no updates. Of course i must say, to my dissapointment, the development on Brattøra is going extremely slow... still no sign of either the "Tverrforbindelse" or any of the buildings on the plots next to Rockheim :( I want some action - NOW ;)
Since Clarion Hotel was delayed by three years we now have to wait to its finished in 2012 before they can start construction on the plots between Rockheim and Tverrforbindelsen. All the parking space to Pirbadet and Pirterminalen was located on Clarion Hotel site, and the only place to move the parking temporary was of course to Brattørkaia.
Kinda funny, since Clarion Hotel was rejected in 2007, then redesigned, then rejected again, then the developer threatened to cancel the project, which gave the politicians such a headache they approved the original proposal! Three years for this gain: Clarion Hotel delayed, paying millions in worthless redesigns and planning, entire Brattørkaia delayed... yay!
So we just have to wait to they have made parkings!
essenze November 17th, 2010, 11:49 PM Since Clarion Hotel was delayed by three years we now have to wait to its finished in 2012 before they can start construction on the plots between Rockheim and Tverrforbindelsen. All the parking space to Pirbadet and Pirterminalen was located on Clarion Hotel site, and the only place to move the parking temporary was of course to Brattørkaia.
Kinda funny, since Clarion Hotel was rejected in 2007, then redesigned, then rejected again, then the developer threatened to cancel the project, which gave the politicians such a headache they approved the original proposal! Three years for this gain: Clarion Hotel delayed, paying millions in worthless redesigns and planning, entire Brattørkaia delayed... yay!
So we just have to wait to they have made parkings!
Goddamn... useless politicians in this town obstructing development wherever and whenever they can! That being said, it still sounds weird that start construction of the Brattørkaia plots have to wait until the hotel is finished. Surely the parking garage will be completed long before the rest of the hotel, and surely there must anyway be other places to park if this is deemed absolutely necessary (which i think it doesn't ought to be). It's unbelievable if the reservation of the plot for a parking lot is what should put this construction on hold for 2 years.
Þróndeimr December 12th, 2010, 04:17 PM Construction update, December 12th, 2010.
Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://urbika.com/projects/view/2153-clarion-hotel-trondh
http://i54.tinypic.com/34y8os0.jpg
Þróndeimr December 31st, 2010, 04:35 PM Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://urbika.com/projects/view/2153-clarion-hotel-trondh
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4504/trondheim1.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8471/trondheim2.jpg
essenze January 1st, 2011, 09:39 PM Starting to look like something now! :D
Þróndeimr January 8th, 2011, 12:58 AM Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://urbika.com/projects/view/2153-clarion-hotel-trondh
This is a view the top floor rooms on Clarion will have (exclusive pics taken tonight!).
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2392/clarion4.jpg
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5802/clarion3.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9429/clarion2.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5347/clarion1.jpg
essenze January 9th, 2011, 11:38 AM Wow!! How did you get up there??
Þróndeimr January 9th, 2011, 12:25 PM ^^ use your imagination! ;)
Argur January 10th, 2011, 05:06 PM Þróndeimr the real spiderman! Nice pics!
Þróndeimr February 5th, 2011, 03:19 PM Construction update, 05.02.2011.
Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=8
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/5347/clarion1.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9429/clarion2.jpg
essenze February 7th, 2011, 07:48 PM It's good to see that the Brattøra Hotel has reached 8 floors now. I was afraid it was gonna stop at 7 for a while..
essenze March 3rd, 2011, 10:50 PM The congress hotell seem to move along fine, one year till opening:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/TXALC08SYRI/AAAAAAAABDc/vL9yAVEsm7U/s800/IMG_0246.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/TXALFbAGedI/AAAAAAAABDs/HUcnnK0FEMg/s800/IMG_0250.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/TXALFx_2m2I/AAAAAAAABDw/QIYPrfsHRF4/s800/IMG_0252.JPG
This one shows the start of the actual congress hall, built on top of the now completed parking garage:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/TXALDmidKWI/AAAAAAAABDo/JMv4fmLluUA/s800/IMG_0248.JPG
And finally, I was pleased to see that they now (at last) have started construction of the pier, which the new speedboat terminal will be built on (seen here in the middle of the picture):
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/TXALDLN00EI/AAAAAAAABDg/CLIXo3qyOIw/s800/IMG_0244.JPG
And a close-up from the other side:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/TXALGNYNxWI/AAAAAAAABD0/XLiHBE9ei38/s800/IMG_0254.JPG
Þróndeimr March 27th, 2011, 12:02 PM Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=8
Update, 26.03.11
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/5347/clarion1.jpg
arntf April 3rd, 2011, 11:37 PM A couple of pics from the new hotel at Brattøra:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802359.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802361.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802390-1.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802392.jpg
Þróndeimr April 4th, 2011, 07:30 AM ^^ lol, let me guess, taken yesterday?
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9021/trondheimsentrum11.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3333/trondheimsentrum14.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6962/trondheimsentrum13.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6008/trondheimsentrum12.jpg
essenze April 4th, 2011, 10:58 AM Those windows are quite peculiar. They seem to restrict the view from inside. Also, do you know what kind of cladding there will be?
arntf April 4th, 2011, 06:24 PM ^^ lol, let me guess, taken yesterday?
Spot on! Though, judging from the shadows, I was there about 3 hours after you.
Tohaki: They tore down that beauty? Bastards!
Þróndeimr May 17th, 2011, 10:06 PM Construction update, May 17th, 2011.
Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=8
I managed to get some close-up pictures of the windows from the inside (!). I must say it looks better looking out than i was afraid it would be. Still i am really
not satisfied with the facades look from the outside. The facade material should have been whiter, but the main issue remind with the windows, it certainly looked
much better on the renderings (http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7514/brattrahotel6x1000.jpg). They should have been bigger, and probably they all should have had different forms. Not it pretty much looks like a hospital. And
of course, it would have been so much better if they built a higher building instead of this massive 8 stories blocks!
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5347/clarion1.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7766/24953240.jpg http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7766/24953240.jpg Right: Looking down to the atrium.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7766/24953240.jpg http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7766/24953240.jpg http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9429/clarion2.jpg http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5802/clarion3.jpg
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/102/clarion10.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3609/clarion9.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4245/clarion5.jpg
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8932/clarion11.jpg
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/2392/clarion4.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7619/clarion6.jpg
View from the roof. Looked like the roof will be accessible for people as they were dressing it in wood on one side (not visible in this picture),
hopefully more than just the hotel guest may be allowed to get up here.
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6633/clarion7.jpg
Rockheim, and the ground works at Brattørkaia.
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4218/clarion8.jpg
Tohaki May 19th, 2011, 09:30 AM I don't like those windows at all.
arntf May 19th, 2011, 11:40 PM It looks like sitting on a bus with commercials covering the windows. And I purely hate those.
essenze May 20th, 2011, 12:33 AM The windows are dreadful! And from what I can see, not in line with the architect renderings. They should have been like in one row for each floor. Now there's a row between the floors that's only grey. And the grey section between the rooms are to wide as well. This is a big mistake I think, and they ought to redo it. Surely, noone can think this looks good?? Neither from the inside or from the outside...
Þróndeimr May 20th, 2011, 05:04 PM ^^ i guess the politicians policy to make Trondheim's buildings greener killed all those windows we saw in the renderings. And as you can see from the inside of the rooms, it won't be possible to just easily redo it and make the windows bigger, or be in line, so we just might as well get used to it, this is how it will look like for decades...
Þróndeimr May 21st, 2011, 12:33 AM If our politicians would dare!
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5586/panorama1bzzzzz2x800.jpg
IceCheese May 21st, 2011, 01:12 AM ^^I think I've seen better looking highrises than that one! It belongs in a desert, not Trondheim:lol:
Þróndeimr May 21st, 2011, 09:51 AM ^^ of course i don't want that in Trondheim, i just needed something to illustrate that we should think in other ways than boxy highrises! Anyway, it was a crappy photoshop which i gave up on!
essenze May 21st, 2011, 05:11 PM ^^ i guess the politicians policy to make Trondheim's buildings greener killed all those windows we saw in the renderings. And as you can see from the inside of the rooms, it won't be possible to just easily redo it and make the windows bigger, or be in line, so we just might as well get used to it, this is how it will look like for decades...
Of course it can be redone. All it takes is will and money. This case shows that somebody has not done their job properly, since the result is clearly totally different from the architect drawings. These drawings was what the authorities approved as well. Now, if I were CEO of Clarion, I simply would not accept that the entrepreneur constructs a totally different facade than what my architects made. Neither should the authorities.
Now, I know that there's no limit to the stupidity and the incompetence of the current socialistic administration in Trondheim, but I find it hard to believe that even they have overruled the facade design here.
Þróndeimr May 21st, 2011, 05:26 PM ^^ like thats going to happen, even if we do have the money. Such a shame they fuck it up this badly!
arntf June 5th, 2011, 03:13 AM Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=8
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802876.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802877.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802882.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802896.jpg
Galro June 6th, 2011, 02:10 AM [B]
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c136/arntf/Urban%20Trondheim/XL802882.jpg
Now that's some depressive shit. Who approved those windows? This must be one the worst examples of cheapning from the renders to real life I have ever seen.
The windows reminds of this building in Tokyo (only without the cool pixelated theme to it):
http://www.michaeljohngrist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2008%2011nov%20nakagin%20capsule/nakagin%20straightup%20front.jpg
IceCheese June 6th, 2011, 02:22 AM ^^I'm personally more interested in seeing how the golden parts will end up..
Galro June 6th, 2011, 02:25 AM I wouldn't except much after seeing how the windows ended up looking.
Þróndeimr June 6th, 2011, 05:55 AM Now that's some depressive shit. Who approved those windows? This must be one the worst examples of cheapning from the renders to real life I have ever seen.
I took some pictures from the inside out on a little visit of mine on May 17th and there was a discussion concerning the windows then as well, see it here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=77953459#post77953459
Galro June 6th, 2011, 10:58 AM Well, nice to see that others share the same opinions. It brings up a interesting question though: Should the city accept redesign like that after the buildings are approved? Surely it's then no longer the same building they green lighted?
essenze June 6th, 2011, 03:03 PM Well, nice to see that others share the same opinions. It brings up a interesting question though: Should the city accept redesign like that after the buildings are approved? Surely it's then no longer the same building they green lighted?
The answer to this question is to me very simple: NO! The developer (Clarion) should not accept it, and neither should the authorities. If one first is to have a slick glass curtain facade, why on earth would you want to have small, oval shaped windows? The windows were floor-to-ceiling type in the rendering, and this is what it should have been built like.
Þróndeimr July 5th, 2011, 08:06 PM Construction updates, taken today.
Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=24
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2374/trondheimupdate1.jpg
Testing how the 1st floor windows should look like, hopefully the wider choice.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5170/trondheimupdate2.jpg
The "crown" of the building is been built, hopefully these metal plates they are installing on top are just temporary.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3799/trondheimupdate3.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6312/trondheimupdate4.jpg
essenze July 5th, 2011, 10:49 PM Nice job again Drondeimr! Now, that tall window to the right there, that's how ALL the windows/cladding on the hotel should've been. Even the short ends of the hotel buildings look better than the other face, because the windows are more continuous horisontally and give it some style.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5170/trondheimupdate2.jpg
mjoks007 July 5th, 2011, 10:50 PM Its not that bad I think, clarion on the other hand...
Galro July 6th, 2011, 12:06 AM To me is more about the whole picture: Each individual building may be okay or even good looking, but when you get more and more of these then you loose the historic feeling. And then it is better to let the architects decide the shape them self based on what looks good/fits the site.
essenze July 6th, 2011, 12:15 AM To me is more about the whole picture: Each individual building may be okay or even good looking, but when you get more and more of these then you loose the historic feeling. And then it is better to let the architects decide the shape them self based on what looks good/fits the site.
Generally I agree. But that would never have passed the city council in this case.
Galro July 6th, 2011, 12:19 AM No, I realize that, but I don't always agree with city councils opinions.
:)
Frode123 July 6th, 2011, 12:53 AM I actually think the Clarion Hotel looks good, I kinda like it :)
Þróndeimr August 6th, 2011, 01:31 PM Construction update, pictures taken this night.
Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=24
From top of the "crown".
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4245/clarion5.jpg
"Crown" as seen from the future skybar.
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7619/clarion6.jpg
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2392/clarion4.jpg
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9429/clarion2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1597/clarion3oo.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1338/clarion1a.jpg
From some of the rooms.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4218/clarion8.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6633/clarion7.jpg
essenze August 6th, 2011, 03:32 PM Thanks, nice pictures. My immediate reaction though is: How the hell do you get in to these places ??
Þróndeimr August 6th, 2011, 03:41 PM ^^ its quite simple, just jump over the fence. ;)
arntf September 10th, 2011, 12:38 AM The roof of the Clarion Brattøra hotel is begining to take shape, and of course there are some people who just don't get it, eagerly supported by a newspaper desperate for any hint of scandal:
Dette taket har ikke rast sammen (http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1692435.ece)
http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01236/Bratt_ra_hotelltak_1236007c.jpg
Source: Adresseavisen ASA (http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01236/Bratt_ra_hotelltak_1236007c.jpg)
Þróndeimr September 12th, 2011, 08:43 AM Construction updates 11.09.2011
Clarion Hotel Trondheim
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=24
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5170/trondheimupdate2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3508/5plx.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3508/5plx.jpg
Tronnelon October 18th, 2011, 12:17 AM Clarion Brattøra - snart ferdig:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lyY1kZ8jDcc/TpypShuB_YI/AAAAAAAAHVc/KydWS5svrLk/s720/IMG_1813-1.jpg
essenze October 18th, 2011, 12:15 PM Cool picture Tronnelon, did you take it yourself? I'd like to have a hi-res version of it .. please :) Compliments also to the Clarion promo video !
Tronnelon October 18th, 2011, 11:22 PM Since you enjoyed that, here's another one taken from the same spot last night, showing St. Olavs Hospital where Kunnskapssenteret is currently under construction:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6215/6258792310_04b7bc547e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11710980@N05/6258792310/)
St. Olavs hospital fra Utsikten (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11710980@N05/6258792310/) by Tronnelon (http://www.flickr.com/people/11710980@N05/), on Flickr
Þróndeimr December 4th, 2011, 04:58 PM And the congress center beside Clarion. Me like its organic shaped facade!
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3384/trondheimconstupdate2.jpg
arntf December 4th, 2011, 09:17 PM The effect is achieved by angle cuts made in the black metal cladding, where the resulting ends are bent out at varying degrees. Very nice effect :)
essenze December 4th, 2011, 10:34 PM But why does the congress centre have to have a BLACK façade like so much else that's been built in Trondheim recent years ? :ohno:
arntf December 4th, 2011, 11:05 PM If it looks good and keeps well, why not? I find it more irritating that the walls of Lerkendal stadium are yellow when the football club it houses is strictly black and white.
Þróndeimr December 22nd, 2011, 08:41 PM I know its been posted before but couldn't find the link, here is the video for the hotel taken from their website (http://www.clariontrondheim.no).
ngWZANY7Zgo
Þróndeimr December 27th, 2011, 09:25 PM Byggestatus, Clarion Hotel & Congress Trondheim. Bildene ble tatt mellom haglskurene og de verste stormkastene ikveld, 27.12.2011.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1697/clarionhoteltrondheimde.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1697/clarionhoteltrondheimde.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1697/clarionhoteltrondheimde.jpg
Parti av hovedinngangen.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1697/clarionhoteltrondheimde.jpg
Mellom Clarion og Pirbadet.
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/1697/clarionhoteltrondheimde.jpg
Atriumet mellom hotellet og kongress-hallen.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1697/clarionhoteltrondheimde.jpg
Kongress-salen, med lys-installasjonene godt på vei.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1697/clarionhoteltrondheimde.jpg
Þróndeimr December 27th, 2011, 09:33 PM Til sammenligning, Luxigon (http://luxigon.fr/)'s illustrasjon til Space Group vs. den ferdigstilte fasaden.
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/7746/brattrahotel6x1000b.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5135/brattrahotel6x1000a.jpg
Galro December 27th, 2011, 09:35 PM Pretty poor. The facade looks much more transparent in the render.
Þróndeimr December 27th, 2011, 09:58 PM ^^ its transparency will work better when the light are on inside. However, the main difference between the rendering and the final version is that they have cheapen down, or decided to redesign the windows in the last minute to make the building more energy-friendly i guess.
On the rendering the floors had windows from their floor to roof, while in the final version they made the windows smaller building the first 60cm from the floor and up in wood and the top 60cm in wood. This makes the exterior facades look very dull compared to the renderings.
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9379/cltrondheimspacegroupx1.jpg
Inside.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4218/clarion8.jpg
Þróndeimr December 31st, 2011, 01:42 PM Clarion sett fra Kuhaugen, bildet ble tatt idag.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3404/clariontrondheim1.jpg
Tohaki December 31st, 2011, 02:36 PM Nice picture! It certainly is a big building. How does it compare to Realfagbygget?
Are there any plans for the lot between Rockheim and the customs building?
Þróndeimr December 31st, 2011, 02:38 PM ^^ The skating park plot? That will be open space, its part of the Rockheim site actually.
essenze December 31st, 2011, 04:46 PM Nice picture! It certainly is a big building. How does it compare to Realfagbygget?
From what I can remember Realfagbygget is 60,000 m2, so almost twice the size of Clarion in terms of floor area.
marshol December 31st, 2011, 05:31 PM Now just complete the view with Trondheim Tower hotel.
mjoks007 December 31st, 2011, 06:05 PM ^^And a awesome multi arena.. Then fill the rest of Brattøra with dense city blocks and some small 'pocket parks'.
Great work brondeimr!
Þróndeimr January 7th, 2012, 04:20 PM Clarion sett fra Tyholttårnet. Bildet ble tatt idag.
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1354/clarionhoteljan2012x110.jpg
Þróndeimr January 15th, 2012, 01:08 PM Legger til noen gamle forslag fra arkitektkonkurransen i 2006/2007 sånn at de ikke blir helt glemt enda!
Forslag fra JDS Architects (står bak nye Holmenkollen) (Info om forslaget (http://*************************/norway/crown_hotel_brattora.htm))
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
Forslag fra Schmidt Hammer Lassen
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
Yellowinc January 17th, 2012, 02:55 PM ^^
Architecturally I think I prefer both to the one that’s being built. Not that I find the current one unfortunate looking. However, it could be mistaken for any office building along a motorway anywhere in the northern hemisphere (by that I mean boring!)
Galro January 17th, 2012, 04:45 PM I think I like JDS Architects' proposal best, but I also think that would have been a project that would have met huge protests from the Trondheims powerful nimbys. :)
Þróndeimr January 28th, 2012, 04:43 PM Enda en oppdatering av bygginga. Mye begynner å komme på plass nå.
Sett fra Møllenberg.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8330/clarionjan20122.jpg
Sett fra Ila.
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4138/clarionjan20123.jpg
Sett fra Kristiansten Festning.
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3750/clarionjan20124.jpg
Nærbilde av skybaren i 9 etasje sett fra Brattørkaia.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3163/clarionjan20121.jpg
Þróndeimr January 28th, 2012, 04:45 PM Illustrasjon fra Lobbyen mot Kongress-salen.
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4579/chtkongresslobby2x1100.jpg
Byggestatus lobby
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9978/clarionjan20125.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5025/clarionjan201217.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2160/clarionjan20127.jpg
Þróndeimr January 28th, 2012, 04:53 PM Tekniske installasjoner i underetasjen.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/2553/clarionjan201210.jpg
Kjøkkenet.
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5183/clarionjan201211.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4060/betweenbar20pixelsssc.jpgOppover i etasjene.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4060/betweenbar20pixelsssc.jpghttp://img10.imageshack.us/img10/444/clarionjan20128.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4060/betweenbar20pixelsssc.jpgHotell-gangene tar form
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4060/betweenbar20pixelsssc.jpg(prikk samme gulvmatter og design i samtlige etasjer og deler av hotellet!)
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4060/betweenbar20pixelsssc.jpghttp://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7155/clarionjan20129.jpg
Rom i 5 etasje
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6544/clarionjan201216.jpg
Utsikt fra rom i 7 etasje
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/79/clarionjan201215.jpg
Fra skybaren i 9 etasje
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4521/clarionjan201213.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5857/clarionjan201214.jpg
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/319/clarionjan201212.jpg
Þróndeimr March 8th, 2012, 07:16 PM Enda en oppdatering, tatt i ettermiddag.
http://a.imageshack.us/img7/4373/brattra6.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img685/7307/brattra9.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img525/7891/brattra10.jpg
Þróndeimr March 10th, 2012, 10:30 AM - Den er litt tung
http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1787348.ece
Legging av marmorgulvet i storhotellet på Brattøra krever god rygg og sterke muskler. Se video i artikkelen.
http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01257/flis1_2_1257376c.jpg
mjoks007 April 16th, 2012, 02:50 PM Slaktes av kritikerne (http://estatenyheter.no/component/content/article/1-nyhter/2027-slaktes-av-kritikere.html)
Når Stordalen ler på Brattøra (http://www.adressa.no/meninger/article1803933.ece)
Þróndeimr April 22nd, 2012, 05:18 PM Bare noen dager igjen til åpning nå, hotellet åpner på Fredag 27 April.
Ett flyfoto tatt i November 2011
http://imageshack.us/a/img26/1711/41258127726347898979114.jpg
abk April 29th, 2012, 06:24 PM Noen som vet om den parkløsninga mellom hotellet og Pirbadet er skrinlagt? Var der nede i dag, men alt ser ut til å være asfaltert/parkering.
Þróndeimr April 29th, 2012, 07:30 PM ^^ vet ikke helt, var der idag jeg å, så ikke bra ut, en kald stor betongplass...
Uansett, her har vist Adressa sendt en "anmelder" for å anmelde nybygget. Da ser overskriften slik ut:
- Et gigantisk, malplassert fremmedelememt
Clarion-hotellet er ikke bare en mur mot fjorden. Det har dimensjoner som hører hjemme i en større by.
http://www.adressa.no/kultur/article1814684.ece
Þróndeimr April 29th, 2012, 07:43 PM Og her er noen bilder fra det jeg mener (i kontrast til veldig mange negative omtaler) er ikke så alt for horribelt alikevel. Helt klart en forbedring av området, selv
om mye kunne selvsagt ha blitt gjort anderledes. Fasaden på kongress-bygget er både pen å kreativ, mens inngangspartiet til hotellet, derhvor det skal se ut som
gullstjerna smelte seg over inngangen er ganske kul å spennende. Interiøret, spesielt i lobbyen var både flott og moderne!
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/4356/clarionhotelcongresstrol.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img687/664/clarionhotelcongresstroj.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img26/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img99/7552/20pixel.gifhttp://imageshack.us/a/img208/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img99/7552/20pixel.gifhttp://imageshack.us/a/img803/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img99/7552/20pixel.gifhttp://imageshack.us/a/img515/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img717/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
Þróndeimr April 29th, 2012, 07:50 PM Noen bilder fra innsiden.
http://imageshack.us/a/img252/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img99/7552/20pixel.gifhttp://imageshack.us/a/img513/6087/clarionhotelcongresstrow.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img853/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img220/8744/clarionhotelcongresstro.jpg
Galro April 29th, 2012, 08:38 PM ^^ vet ikke helt, var der idag jeg å, så ikke bra ut, en kald stor betongplass...
Uansett, her har vist Adressa sendt en "anmelder" for å anmelde nybygget. Da ser overskriften slik ut:
- Et gigantisk, malplassert fremmedelememt
Clarion-hotellet er ikke bare en mur mot fjorden. Det har dimensjoner som hører hjemme i en større by.
http://www.adressa.no/kultur/article1814684.ece
WTF? You need more than 176,348 people to support 8 floors? :nuts: Why focus on the dimensions at all? It's the design that is the problem imho (sorry Þróndeimr, but I don't like it).
Þróndeimr April 29th, 2012, 09:11 PM (sorry Þróndeimr, but I don't like it).
If you compare it to what we see built elsewhere then it isn't any good, but compared to what we have in Trondheim this is one of the best shots we got.
mjoks007 April 29th, 2012, 09:14 PM Too bad he's good points drowning in the usual wall, view and giant arguements.
But I agree with this:
"Effekten av den dominerende arkitekturen kunne vært dempet noe hvis prosjektet hadde skapt tiltrekkende byrom rundt seg."
arntf April 29th, 2012, 10:19 PM ^^ Well, gosh, if only they´d let them build a little taller and more slender, eh?
IceCheese April 30th, 2012, 02:58 AM ^^ vet ikke helt, var der idag jeg å, så ikke bra ut, en kald stor betongplass...
Uansett, her har vist Adressa sendt en "anmelder" for å anmelde nybygget. Da ser overskriften slik ut:
- Et gigantisk, malplassert fremmedelememt
Clarion-hotellet er ikke bare en mur mot fjorden. Det har dimensjoner som hører hjemme i en større by.
http://www.adressa.no/kultur/article1814684.ece
Mye retorikk, og lite fakta og reelle avveininger. Fyren låter som en særing med liten innsikt i arkitektur og byutvikling. Mest opptatt av at det som er nytt bør tilpasse seg/ helst ikke være synlig blant det som er etablert.
Han må gjerne kalle utblåsningen sin for en "anmeldelse", men den har lite med arkitekturkritikk å gjøre. Sjekk helder Aftenpostens Lotte Sandberg. http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/anmeldelser/Utsyn-mot-fjellheimen-5014265.html#.T53iWLNXXjI
arntf May 6th, 2012, 12:18 PM http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7147858537_c239394f59_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5076/7147858543_12be397991_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7147858821_b736d3bbae_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/7147858817_6919e6d668_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8009/7001771986_d8380b93e7_b.jpg
INFERNAL ELF June 5th, 2012, 08:37 AM This is the Verdict The Hotel Got from The Twisted sister rock group and their Roadie tour reporter
"Dee also announced that the band TNT was playing at a local hotel (not sure of the name) but when he described it as “The Big Ugly One…..who designed it? A Blind man?” everyone seemed to know exactly which one he was referring to. I saw it. It was downright odd looking. Like a space ship that had crash landed. Into an ice palace."
taken from herehttp://twistedsister.com/armadillo/
I dont really have that much against the hotel myself its the best we could hope for when building a large central hotel in Trondheim, With crazy height restrictions.
I only think that the white facade should be Black would look much cooler in contrast to the gold. and the lobby turned out amazing much larger than the usual Norwegian hotel lobby.
Galro February 28th, 2013, 05:47 PM At Archdaily:
http://ad009cdnb.archdaily.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/512e22abb3fc4bd7f10001e3_clarion-hotel-congress-trondheim-space-group-architects_01_space_group_peter_hebeisen_trondheim_a_2374.jpg
http://www.archdaily.com/337342/clarion-hotel-congress-trondheim-space-group-architects/
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