KL VS Singapore : draw Verdict by CNN GO

http://www.cnngo.com/singapore/visit/showdown-singapore-vs-kuala-lumpur-389306

A recent article by Kate Hodai in CNN GO : the showndown : Singapore Vs. Kuala Lumpur...the draw verdict caused some unhappy comments against each other from both Malaysians and Singaporeans....:) unfortunately..the "Kiasu" spirits of Singaporeans have been manifested in their comments...LOL

Personally I think the draw verdict is fair and factual!!

What is your opinion?

The showdown: Singapore vs. Kuala Lumpur
Who's bigger, better, tastier, et cetera? Two Asian capitals duke it out
By Kate Hodal 25 November, 2011 Which city is the bigger hitter: Singapore or Kuala Lumpur? .Just like all the greats -- Athens and Rome, London and New York, Paris and Berlin -- Singapore and Kuala Lumpur have had to endure a long-standing rivalry over which city does what best.

But for two capitals whose cultural similarities can sometimes outweigh their differences, finding a true winner in the great debate can prove difficult ...

Street food

Sweet, sour and spicy, Singapore's barbecued stingray doesn't compare to a simple plate of nasi goreng from a KL street trader. Without a doubt, the longest-running and most vociferous war between the two cities has always involved food.

•More on CNNGo: 40 Singapore foods we can't live without
In Singapore, street food equals hawker centers. And let's face it -- while they're supposedly cleaner, they just don't have the taste of a gritty roadside stall. While Singapore does do better Peranakan and Teochew cuisine, and a meaner chili sauce, there's something to be said about street food actually coming from the street.

And in Kuala Lumpur the stalls are never-ending -- from Ramly burgers to lok lok and satay. Their popularity proves something that oh-so-clean Singapore can't: when your street food is still in the street, you know you're in Asia.

Verdict: Kuala Lumpur

Shopping
Quantity does not win over quality. Kuala Lumpur's less crowded and more affordable malls beat Singapore. Singapore may have more shopping centers -- ION Orchard (2 Orchard Turn, +65 6238 8228, www.ionorchard.com), Ngee Ann City (391A Orchard Road, +65 6733 0337; www.ngeeanncity.com.sg), VivoCity (1 Harbourfront Walk, +65 6377 6860; www.vivocity.com.sg), Marina Bay Sands Shoppes (10 Bayfront Ave., +65 6733 0337; www.marinabaysands.com), Mustafa (145 Syed Alwi Road, +65 6295 5855; www.mustafa.com.sg) -- but the shopping malls in Kuala Lumpur -- KLCC (Lot No. 241, +60 3 2382 2828; www.suriaklcc.com.my/shopping), Starhill (Starhill Gallery 181, Jalan Bukit Bintang, +60 3 2782 38556; www.starhillglobalreit.com), Berjaya Times Square (1 Jalan Imbi, +60 3 2117 3111; www.timessquarekl.com) -- are just as good, if not better, and the prices tend to be around 10 percent cheaper.

With just as many high-end stores -- and an interesting mix of cheap local fashion -- Kuala Lumpur is the obvious choice, not least because Kuala Lumpur's malls are a lot emptier than Singapore's.

Verdict: Kuala Lumpur

Taxi drivers
Singapore's ComfortDelGro taxis may drive you to the point of profanity but at least you won't be ripped off. Taxi drivers in both Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are annoyingly often as lost as the passenger. But in Singapore, drivers have GPS, the cars pass roadside safety tests, and the booking system is relatively easy and fast. And, while prices are high, they're regulated -- meaning there's no haggling. Ever.

In Kuala Lumpur, drivers are either indifferent or crazy and can charge four times the metered price. Traffic can be atrocious any time of the day and travelling at night -- especially for lone females -- is way more dangerous than it should be. So no surprise that Malaysia's taxis have been voted the worst in the world.

Verdict: Singapore

Nightlife

Singapore's swanky nightclubs are a bigger hit with party revelers. Whether it's live jazz, karaoke or a philosophical talk you're after, Singapore is the place to be. Thanks to its large expat population, it simply has more to offer in terms of nightlife, from rooftop bars and international dance acts, to celebrity restaurants and glamorous nightclubs such as Avalon and Pangaea (Marina Bay Crystal Pavilion, 2 Bayfront Ave., www.avalon.com, www.pangaea.com) and Ku De Ta (57/F Marina Bay Sands, 1 Bayfront Ave., +65 6688 7688; www.kudeta.com.sg).

Kuala Lumpur, in contrast, has a more vibrant local music scene, with venues like No Black Tie (17 Jalan Mesui; +603 2142 3737) consistently providing awesome entertainment. But with standard nightlife centering around samey areas like Changkat, Kuala Lumpur City Center and Chinatown, things can get a little dull over time.

Verdict: Singapore

Pampering

Outdoor massages in Singapore's humidity are no competition for KL's no-nonsense hammams. This simply wouldn't be Asia if it weren't for a massage parlor every few blocks.

But where Kuala Lumpur is known for its cheaper, traditional Malay variety, Singapore has a plethora of higher-end spas that make pampering an other-worldly venture.

•More on CNNGo: World's Greatest City: 50 reasons why Singapore is No. 1
That said, the fact that Kuala Lumpur has two hammams -- Singapore has none -- and you can get a really good two hour deep-tissue massage for RM80 (S$40) almost anywhere; the winner has got to be Kuala Lumpur.

Verdict: Kuala Lumpur

Architecture
Singapore's new modern, eye-catching buildings beat out KL's Petronas Towers. A shared British history has left an interesting architectural legacy in both Singapore and Kuala Lumpur, although Singapore has better preserved its end of things.

The restoration of shophouse areas like Duxton Hill, Spottiswoode Park and Arab Street simply shows how much the city values its iconic buildings.

Then there's the vastly changed Marina Bay waterfront -- an area that simply didn't exist five years ago -- which, thanks to buildings like the durian-shaped Esplanade (1 Esplanade Drive, +65 6828 8222; www.esplanade.com.sg) and the Moshe Safdie design Marina Bay Sands -- is further establishing Singapore as a major player in the world of forward-thinking architecture.

Kuala Lumpur's large number of Islamic-inspired buildings, from the Kuala Lumpur Convention Center (KLCC, +60 3 2382 3359; www.suriaklcc.com.my), Petronas Towers (Jalan Ampang, +60 3 2051 1320; www.petronastwintowers.com.my) and Islamic Arts Museum (Taman Budaya Kuala Lumpur, Jalan Sultan Mohamed, +60 3 2274 2020; www.iamm.org.my), to Putrajaya and Dayabumi, demonstrate its own cultural and religious ties.

But apart from the Towers, what new stunning architecture can be seen gracing its skies? Kuala Lumpur's shophouses and art deco facades are in desperate need of repair, and the city has already lost historical buildings like Bok Mansion and Pudu Jail to time. Let's just hope they don't lose more.

Verdict: Singapore

Cleanliness

It's safe to breathe in Singapore's air, but we can't say the same for Kuala Lumpur. This really shouldn't even be a category -- but let's go for it anyway.

Thanks to public fines against littering and an obsession with cleanliness, Singapore -- or "Sterile City", as it's sometimes called -- is the cleanest capital in the world.

Kuala Lumpur, on the other hand and like many other cities in the world struggles to compete with the Singaporean fastidiousness with cleanliness. But that, some may argue, could bring a sense of roughness, chaos and excitement the city-state is lacking in.

Verdict: Singapore

Cost of living

It will cost you to live in Singapore -- approximately 47 percent more. No contest here -- according to Expatistan.com, Kuala Lumpur is 47 percent cheaper than Singapore -- prices that are reflected in everything from a night out on the town to a 85-square-meter apartment (which is actually 70 percent cheaper in Kuala Lumpur).

But let's investigate. People in Kuala Lumpur tend to earn considerably less than Singaporeans -- so, technically, have even less money to spend when they do go out. That said, if you stick to basics in both cities, you'd need S$36,000 in Singapore for the same lifestyle that would cost just S$19,060 in Kuala Lumpur.

Verdict: Kuala Lumpur

Overall verdict: It's a draw!.

KL VS Singapore : draw Verdict by CNN GO

http://www.cnngo.com/singapore/visit/showdown-singapore-vs-kuala-lumpur-389306

A recent article by Kate Hodai in CNN GO : the showndown : Singapore Vs. Kuala Lumpur...the draw verdict caused some unhappy comments against each other from both Malaysians and Singaporeans....:) unfortunately..the "Kiasu" spirits of Singaporeans have been manifested in their comments...LOL

Personally I think the draw verdict is fair and factual!!

What is your opinion?

Personally I never think Singapore is better than Malaysia. Yes, singapore has better development & infrastructure and management efficiency which Malaysia can learn from.

However, on another hand, singapore has lousy food, lack of culture and ill society and fake natural in which malaysia beat sinagapore hands down.

the only thing singaporean always emphasizing is about materialistic issue, they ought to totally lost of the meaning of life. :cheers:

im shock with the shopping verdict but im happy for dat...lol

and obviously, improvement need to be done for malaysia are taxi drivers and cleaniness..

i've been to Spore last month just to visit universal studio and take a closer look at spore skyline.:)

their infrastructure and system is something that we can learn and apply.
but to stay there for a long period of time..it is kinda boring imo.
feeling of staying in a 'hostel' haha.

well maybe i love more 'colors' , 'smell', 'taste' , etc :) .

my experience with some spore taxi drivers - kinda same with some KL taxi drivers attitude .

what about architecture?do u believe singapore is better then KL?

what about architecture?do u believe singapore is better then KL? of course not...

what about architecture?do u believe singapore is better then KL?

Definitely.
much way better.

spore skyline is more eye catching even it is not massive like any others asean city.

KLCC needs more glassy supertall .

lot C kinda disappointment.

what about architecture?do u believe singapore is better then KL?

it was mentioned that KL lost its colonial buildings architecture...and thats one of the lossing point. Unfortunately the new MRT project at KL tends to destroy more heritage building at Jalan Sultan:bash:

KL will surpass SG in many factors in the future... But in terms of cleanliness, KL is no match compare to SG... IMO

Here's the tie-breaker: The first sentence was asking...which is bigger?

Let's use the metropolitan statistical figures:
KL - at least 6.5 milliion
Singapore - around 5.5 to 6 million (including JB)

Verdict: KL

Singapore is a clear winner for now, simply because of cleanliness, tidyness, public transportation especially rail and preservation of heritage which is well publicised.

As for KL, c'mon look at the road potholes, look at the uneven walkways and broken tiles, look at the illegal stickers and illegal stalls, look at our "Ah Beng" taxis, look at our over-crowded Monorail, look at the rubbish in Jalan Alor, Pudu and Chow Kit areas, some parts of our Rivers and where is the riverside promenade like Clarks Quay?, and our heritage buildings are not well integrated with modernity within a single complex.

Also please get rid of those eyesores like Plaza Rakyat, Vision City, Nas Pavilion, Monorail City, and even those little houses next to Sime Darby (the ramp between Jalan Kuching going to Jalan Sultan Ismail) and those abandoned shops at Jalan Raja Chulan and Dang Wangi areas.

Having said that, we can improve all the above, and I believe we are improving day by day and as time passes by, we will have more and more iconic landmarks and tourist attractions. The River of Life and the MRT projects are really needed!!! :lol:

Here's the tie-breaker: The first sentence was asking...which is bigger?

Let's use the metropolitan statistical figures:
KL - at least 6.5 milliion
Singapore - around 5.5 to 6 million (including JB)

Verdict: KL

The survey seems to consider only the KL Federal Territory area.

Singapore is a clear winner for now, simply because of cleanliness, tidyness, public transportation especially rail and preservation of heritage which is well publicised.

As for KL, c'mon look at the road potholes, look at the uneven walkways and broken tiles, look at the illegal stickers and illegal stalls, look at our "Ah Beng" taxis, look at our over-crowded Monorail, look at the rubbish in Jalan Alor, Pudu and Chow Kit areas, some parts of our Rivers and where is the riverside promenade like Clarks Quay?, and our heritage buildings are not well integrated with modernity within a single complex.

Also please get rid of those eyesores like Plaza Rakyat, Vision City, Nas Pavilion, Monorail City, and even those little houses next to Sime Darby (the ramp between Jalan Kuching going to Jalan Sultan Ismail) and those abandoned shops at Jalan Raja Chulan and Dang Wangi areas.

Having said that, we can improve all the above, and I believe we are improving day by day and as time passes by, we will have more and more iconic landmarsingaks and tourist attractions. The River of Life and the MRT projects are really needed!!! :lol:

but IMO, from what you mentioned, that are representing singapore having better infra but doesnt means better in other area if comparing with KL / other cities in malaysia:cheers:

The survey seems to consider only the KL Federal Territory area.

Seems? Maybe, probably? Doesn't look like you are sure about that too, bro. Whatever the semantics...I am putting in my own category here...no right, no wrong. As an example, when people refer to Sydney, they are referring to the metro area. I said Sydney because it is very small city (city proper) with a correspondingly small population.

dont u think singapore is a fake city,a city with no identity,people just
know singapore as Singapore,the clean city and better transportation,...infrastructure
btw,Kl,dirty streets,potholes,crazy taxi driver and mamak food,Kl doesnt known as
vibrant city for no reason.....

Public transport really needs to be improved, especially within KL.

One of the major problem is that KL Sentral bus area is not convenient and has very serious bottleneck when you see RapidKL bus and LCCT bus altogether on same lane, slowing down the traffic circulation on the lane itself, and some buses ended up delayed.

dont u think singapore is a fake city,a city with no identity,people just
know singapore as Singapore,the clean city and better transportation,...infrastructure
btw,Kl,dirty streets,potholes,crazy taxi driver and mamak food,Kl doesnt known as
vibrant city for no reason.....

Singapore age is actually roughly the same age as those of Kuala Lumpur.

Kuala Lumpur was set up in 19th century, same goes to Singapore, in 19th century.

Infact, Singapore city was set up earlier than KL. KL was in 1850's, while Singapore was set up in 1820's.

dont u think singapore is a fake city,a city with no identity,people just
know singapore as Singapore,the clean city and better transportation,...infrastructure
btw,Kl,dirty streets,potholes,crazy taxi driver and mamak food,Kl doesnt known as
vibrant city for no reason.....

in some extend, i do agree, a city without soul...:cheers:

in some extend, i do agree, a city without soul...:cheers:

In terms of old world feel, KL has maintained much of its old world feel compared to SG, that one is for sure :)

Food, trade etc.

In terms of old world feel, KL has maintained much of its old world feel compared to SG, that one is for sure :)

Food, trade etc.

culture, human relationship....:cheers:

Also , different individual has different weightage

I don't care at all about Pampering and Nightlife.

But what are seriously important to me are Street Food , Public transport system etc

So am not surprised with agreement/objection to this verdict.

Also , different individual has different weightage

I don't care at all about Pampering and Nightlife.

But what are seriously important to me are Street Food , Public transport system etc

So am not surprised with agreement/objection to this verdict.


Skyprince, if you take out Pampering and Nightlife; and Street Food and Public Transport - the verdict will still be a DRAW.

So who do you choose? and why?

Skyprince, if you take out Pampering and Nightlife; and Street Food and Public Transport - the verdict will still be a DRAW.

So who do you choose? and why?

Actually I disagree with the yardstick used.

My judgement is based on :

1) Liveliness/Vibracy
2) Overall infrastructure
3) Choice of restaurants/food
4) Cleanliness
5) Public transport
6) Mix of people
7) Affordability of quality housing
8) Crime rate
9) Convenience for Muslims
10) Weather
11) Hospitality/human warmth
Probably there are many other criteria which don't come to mind right now.

Then, each of above 11 indicators has its own "Weightage" . My weightage is higher on Liveliness/vibracy, Convenience for Muslims, Mix of people ( I love cosmopolitan places ), Weather, Public transport and Choice of restaurants/food.

Re: item 9 above. Dude, you mean you use your bare hands? That's gross!

That's why the restrooms are so yucky, smelly, splashed and ponding with waste water. There is a need for Japanese-style toilets with washlets with more controlled waste water drainage!

for me, singapore wont over KL in almost all infrastructures, and well management as well.

About cleaniness, SG certainly better, concluded its "everything are fine" concept is workable.

however, i would still prefer any cities in malaysia compared to singapore, reason being malaysia are much more diverse, genuine, colourful, full and cultural and authentic..

although everything seems perfect in singapore, however, when come to the preference i mentioned, singapore seems totally knocked out...

Re: item 9 above. Dude, you mean you use your bare hands? That's gross!

That's why the restrooms are so yucky, smelly, splashed and ponding with waste water. There is a need for Japanese-style toilets with washlets with more controlled waste water drainage!

Don't diss us Muslims for that! :bash:

KL gives me the impression of being hard to move around. Hopefully when the MRT comes, even from the tourists perspective KL can give SG linkage a run of their money. I would say S’pore look smarter now due to is highly organized and systematic approach the city makes me feel, but in a way its soulless and unchanging, so pretty a boring place to stay for a long time. I would prefer KL if the air quality is improve vastly. I feel healthier in SG city, more compact hence all the nicer things are at within your glances. Once KL achieve this SG will never be able to catch up with KL’s blessings that its in a bigger country, therefore more charming with more potential.

Don't diss us Muslims for that! :bash:

and i dont wash mine with my bare hands,and im muslim,i use water and tissue,
best of both world......not all muslim like tht la,maybe ur the traditional one,and
some are urban muslim:cheers:

^^ I guess I am used to doing that as I have gone through National Service having to shit in the jungle.

Well, he is just a little biadap in the way he says it. I just make sure I do not leave a mess when I am using a public toilet. It is the individual not the community.

Re: item 9 above. Dude, you mean you use your bare hands? That's gross!

That's why the restrooms are so yucky, smelly, splashed and ponding with waste water. There is a need for Japanese-style toilets with washlets with more controlled waste water drainage!

Its matter of culture, tradition, belief and the way you were being bring up. It not just Muslims who use hands and water (wash) after poop but others too. In the west, most people use bare hands to wash after poop by having 'the bidet' next to the toilet bowl and some toilet bowls already have shower spray to wash after poop or pee. Some Japanese also wash after poop, not just using tissue by having electric toilet bowl for wash the butt.

For Muslims, Arabs (which included Christians), some other Asian nations such as the Filipinos find it is 'gross' and 'yucky' to whomever not wash their butts after poop and unhygienic as for 'us' water and soap is the best combine with the tissue to dry your butt. So even in toilet we have 'clash of civilzation' and cultures.:lol: Some people prefer dry bathroom/toilet with carpet/rug and some with wet bathroom/toilet. Many also fell uneasy when Muslims using sink to take their ablution/wudhu mostly when to wash their feet. Water splash all over the places. The dirtiness of the toilet not because the way use water or tissue to finish their 'businesses' in the public toilet but the manner and not selfish as think about others as well while using the facilities.

You can read further' Wash, don't Wipe Your Butt!" :)

http://www.the-vu.com/2010/12/wash-don’t-wipe-your-butt/

There was no reference to religion...read the comment again. There are millions of Muslims in the West and they don't mess up the toilet stalls and/or require such facilities in the restrooms, which are dry and clean and not stinky. Keep in mind also that this is a cultural thing and has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I am not against washing by any means, and that is why I would like to see bidets installed for this purpose...like the ones in Japan, as I stated clearly. Are we going to join the ranks of the first world or are we going to hang on to die-hard habits that make us stuck in the third world? Cleanliness of public restrooms speak a lot about the country!

Re: item 9 above. Dude, you mean you use your bare hands? That's gross!

That's why the restrooms are so yucky, smelly, splashed and ponding with waste water. There is a need for Japanese-style toilets with washlets with more controlled waste water drainage!

Yeap, using bare hands + water + soap , and after that wash my hands with hand soap. In the end, the toilet is perfectly clean again and I am perfectly clean too. Toilets don't get dirty by this , I dunno why u said that ? Toilets get dirty by people who don't flush, or by ppl peeing while standing ( thus doesn't hit the target and spill around ) , or by water spilling too much on the ground. Not because of washing by bare hands.

Yeah, the Japanese-style bidet really makes life easy for Muslims

Yeap, using bare hands + water + soap , and after that wash my hands with hand soap. In the end, the toilet is perfectly clean again and I am perfectly clean too. Toilets don't get dirty by this , I dunno why u said that ? Toilets get dirty by people who don't flush, or by ppl peeing while standing ( thus doesn't hit the target and spill around ) , or by water spilling too much on the ground. Not because of washing by bare hands.

Yeah, the Japanese-style bidet really makes life easy for Muslims

Sure, the bidet is good to have for EVERYONE...not sure how religion comes into play. Why I said that? I am sure you realize how filthy, wet, and smelly public restrooms can be in Malaysia, and it was said in my last couple of posts, and every now and then in the news?

How the toilets got soiled? Well, get rid of those hose bibs and replace them with bidets. That's why the floors (and toilet stall walls) are always wet. You may be more considerate than most. Most others don't care...they just splash and the residue waste water just ponds on the floor.

I rest my case with this one. Let's shake hands and move on (err...the other hand please).

There was no reference to religion...read the comment again. There are millions of Muslims in the West and they don't mess up the toilet stalls and/or require such facilities in the restrooms, which are dry and clean and not stinky. Keep in mind also that this is a cultural thing and has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I am not against washing by any means, and that is why I would like to see bidets installed for this purpose...like the ones in Japan, as I stated clearly. Are we going to join the ranks of the first world or are we going to hang on to die-hard habits that make us stuck in the third world? Cleanliness of public restrooms speak a lot about the country!

I don't think we should prolong this issue. However I think you missed the point. Skyprince raised the issue that it is much convenience for Muslims by having water facilities in the restroom to wash after poop. I do live in the west at the moment and Muslims do wash after poop as its part of Islamic teaching unless there is no water which we can use other things to clean so called 'istinjak' which included tissue. Your initial response to skyprince is such insulting, by mentioning using 'bare hands' etc, even with a good intention. Its not necessary living in the 1st world country we have to look down at our fellas from our country and with insensitivity comments. :) Even in some airports in the UK, due their sensitivity to Muslims, the airport authority providing special facilities in the restroom for Muslims taking ablution(wudhu) for prayers, so Muslims don't have to wash their feets in the sinks. Lol

Having bidets in the public toilets need to use extra spaces unless for disable toilets. Yes we agree it much convenience to whoever prefer to wash rather than just tissue after poop or pee, regardless of religions or races. Japanese style toilet or by having water spray in the same toilet bowl is a good solution compare to have hose which I also hate as make the restroom wet, messy and dirty. Anyway it off the original topic. Haha..peace Happy New Year all!

Apple vs orange : Draw

Singapore doesn't give me a World City kind of feeling like Tokyo, Londo, NYC etc although i am staying here whereas everytime i go KL, i feel that KL is truly a World City

Singapore doesn't give me a World City kind of feeling like Tokyo, Londo, NYC etc although i am staying here whereas everytime i go KL, i feel that KL is truly a World City

Thats an interesting observation..as I always thought on other way around...can you elaborate further and share with us..

I don't think we should prolong this issue. However I think you missed the point. Skyprince raised the issue that it is much convenience for Muslims by having water facilities in the restroom to wash after poop. I do live in the west at the moment and Muslims do wash after poop as its part of Islamic teaching unless there is no water which we can use other things to clean so called 'istinjak' which included tissue. Your initial response to skyprince is such insulting, by mentioning using 'bare hands' etc, even with a good intention. Its not necessary living in the 1st world country we have to look down at our fellas from our country and with insensitivity comments. :) Even in some airports in the UK, due their sensitivity to Muslims, the airport authority providing special facilities in the restroom for Muslims taking ablution(wudhu) for prayers, so Muslims don't have to wash their feets in the sinks. Lol

Having bidets in the public toilets need to use extra spaces unless for disable toilets. Yes we agree it much convenience to whoever prefer to wash rather than just tissue after poop or pee, regardless of religions or races. Japanese style toilet or by having water spray in the same toilet bowl is a good solution compare to have hose which I also hate as make the restroom wet, messy and dirty. Anyway it off the original topic. Haha..peace Happy New Year all!

oh...no insensivities intended...like i said, nothing to do with religion nor race...

i was reading that thread queitly until item 9 came up...thought to myself, "why in the world would any one share this private stuff in a forum like this???" and then i said the first thing that came in my mind...mainly to stress how appalled i am with the state of public restrooms in malaysia every time i return for a vacation.

listen...this includes the non-muslim establishments as well that i was referring to...ghastly and repulsive.

so maybe we have different taste in bathroom humor...west versus east.

but at any rate, thanks for pointing that out.

and HAPPY NEW YEAR and HAPPY SKYSCRAPING everyone! it is good to get the updates and news and whatnot from afar on the homeland. :cheers:

Re: item 9 above. Dude, you mean you use your bare hands? That's gross!

That's why the restrooms are so yucky, smelly, splashed and ponding with waste water. There is a need for Japanese-style toilets with washlets with more controlled waste water drainage!

i love cut dick more.
even dildo *'cut' too. :lol:
cut dick is superb clean and the best.


uncut dick is smelly and yucky and choi.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

^^ ???

i love cut dick more.
even dildo *'cut' too. :lol:
cut dick is superb clean and the best.


uncut dick is smelly and yucky and choi.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Back to the topic please and stop with insulting and vulgar remarks. I think we don't need this such thread at the first place, comparing countries as it'll be no ending story. This such post can be post to 'Malaysia and ASEAN countries' thread instead.

This thread is getting gross big time...haha
And it makes me LMAO.

XNeo, you are muslim and what u use the dildo for?
:omg:
i love cut dick more.
even dildo *'cut' too. :lol:
cut dick is superb clean and the best.


uncut dick is smelly and yucky and choi.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The thing is, :toilet: paper is always not enough here in Malaysia. hahaha

people have their own individual opinion. this is only based on CNN's point of views.both cities might be lacked of something but, but they compliment each other. we should stop feeling obnoxious of certain inadequacies and just take this with open heart. i don't know why and how the original article had been falsely interpreted as a political,racial, kiasu-ism or even religious issue here..

Hahaha... I do not understand the comparison and the so-called 'long-standing rivalry' between these 2 cities.

Based on whose opinion... the writer's own? hahaha..

If Singapore wins over KL, Malaysians will not be happy...
If KL wins over Singapore, our neighbours will not be happy...

So, guys (fellow Malaysians), let's not take this poll seriously... there are a lot of factors not considered...

why KL air is not clean? Kl sit on the foothill of the titiwangsa, with the super lucky fengshui crecent like hill formation

the best thing for me bout Kl is it weather.its milder,cloudy, colder at night,got fog sometimes, nice heavy rain.very close to titiwangsa the air are crispier, i do not really enjoy island weather.those places are hot, sun shinning so bright,can't see a thing,its even unbarable inside an aircon car, let alone walking. high humidity,susah nak bernafas..