In the 1930's the number of warehouses in the city centre and docklands would've been in the high hundreds.Today, that number is down to around 80. What is particularly regrettable is that there were in excess of 250 pre-1830, only 11 remain. Even the most humble of these Georgian warehouses had a sombre dignity,some, like the Goree and Duke's Dock were monumental. The loss of the latter prompted this from art historian, Nikolaus Pevsner; " The magnificent classical warehouse of 1811,one of the oldest preserved examples of this type at Liverpool,was senselessly destroyed in 1966"

It might be prosaic and unglamourous but Liverpool excels at warehouses.It was at the forefront of design and innovation of these buildings for nearly 200 years. The warehouse as architecture arrived in Britain with the Goree warehouses of the 1790s(rebuilt in 1802) with their stone colonaded ground floors. Then in the 1840s the apogee of dock warehousing, the Albert Dock, the finest Victorian dock in the world ! In north docks can be found the gargantuan(if nothing else) Stanley Dock Tobacco warehouse, the largest brick building in the world at the time of its construction.

Back in the late 1990's i contacted Liverpool City Council about the future of a warehouse on Galton St , off the dock rd. There were plans for a Toy store on the site and the warehouse was threatened with demolition. I was told by the council planning permission had been granted for the development,even though the warehouse was listed. Then, as now, Liverpool was in urgent need of investment and jobs. The warehouse was demolished and Toy 'r' Us was built.

The warehouse in question happened to be the earliest surviving example of a fireproof building in Liverpool,1836. The warehouse had stood isolated and neglected since the demolition of the neighbouring Bibby warehouse complex(which incidentally had included two Georgian warehouses) in the early 1980's.

This is an irony here,around the same time ,possibly just before, plans were put forward by MDHC, to build a ten storey hotel at the south west corner of Prince's Dock.The main opposition to the plans came from the vicar or rector of St Nicholas' church, who said the building would obscure views of the church from the river. Heritage groups supported him and the they pressured the developers to build something more 'in keeping' that was, warehouse style. Subsequently plans were revised, and the Crown Plaza is the result, 5 storey red brick. The irony is, a 5 minute walk from St Nicholas's was an historic warehouse, was demolished without a murmur of opposition:ohno:

The above illustrates perfectly the lowly status of the warehouse as anything of architectural or historic value. Understandable to some extent, most warehouses are primarily functional, quite often without any architectural detailing. However, it's worth noting, that i remember seeing the Albert Dock included on a top 100 buildings of the world on an international architecture website a few years ago:) and i personally would place it before St George's Hall and the cathedrals:)

It would be hard to write about warehouses in Liverpool without including some of the buildings that have been lost. Not just because some were very fine structure indeed but the sheer scale of the destruction.
Despite the losses, anyone interested in the development of the warehouse in the last 200 years, wouldn't go to London, New York or Boston, Hamburg or Marselles, they'd come here to Liverpool.
In the coming weeks i'll be photographing all the remaining pre-1930 warehouses left in the docklands and city centre.

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Pre-war photos of parts of Liverpool's north dockland showing the expanse of warehousing. These photos are from Huskisson northwards and dont include Stanley Dock. Almost all of the warehouses in these photos have gone.
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Baltic Triangle. Some warehousing still survives here but the three large warehouses in the bottom right,along with another large adjacent warehouse(just out of shot) were demolished in the early 1980's.
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The Baltic Triangle looking towards Toxteth.
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The Hanover St and Old Hall st areas. These were the main city centre warehouse districts, with smaller clusters spread around the city,such as the Mathew St area.

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The Duke's Dock warehouse, built by the Duke of Bridgewater in 1811. Not only was this warehouse of interest externally,with its classical detailing but internally there was extensive use of cast iron, columns and beams. It was demolished in 1966 to make way for a marshalling yard and storage for containers. The plans never materialised and the site was left vacant after demolition. If the building had've survived it would probably be Grade 1 listed today.
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Classical warehouse in New Quay, demolished in 1971.
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The cluster of warehouses in the foreground(mostly Georgian) were swept away in 1979-80 as part of a road widening scheme(ring road) and replaced with the King Edward Industrial Estate. At least half of the warehouses could've been retained. Nicholas Pevsner mentions these warehouses when he visited Liverpool in 1967 and advises people to visit. Unforgivable civic vandalism.
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A fine classical warehouse from the 1820's. Seven storeyed,pedimented with stone ground floor, Bath St. This and a similar warehouse just a few yards north were demloshed at the same time as Georgian warehouses in the previous photo. Although close by they weren't part of the ring road scheme. So the question is why were they demolished? the answer is probably because the wrecking ball could reach them. You have to venture into the realms of surrealism sometimes to figure out why these things happened.:ohno:

This is a brilliant thread GV. Totally mesmerising & utterly depressing at the same time. Keep it up! :cheers:

This is a brilliant thread GV. Totally mesmerising & utterly depressing at the same time. Keep it up! :cheers:

This.

How many of the pre-1930 warehouses still have an industrial function?

This is a brilliant thread GV. Totally mesmerising & utterly depressing at the same time. Keep it up! :cheers:

Cheers, i know i feel the same way myself:). On the positive side we still have a great legacy and to quote Pevsner on the Albert Dock......"For sheer punch there is little in the early commercial architecture of Europe to equal it":cheers:
A little warehouse tale:) in was living in London in 1987 but travelled home in the April of that year to see the Everton-Luton game and the presentation of the League Championship trophy:cheers::cheers::cheers:. The next day i went to Stanley Dock to see if could see the resident Peregrine Falcons in breeding display. I waited a couple hours, nothing. I decided to head home and popped in to a pub on Vauxhall Rd for a quick pint(pretty sure it was the Green Man) Anyway, a few old fellas were talking and one of them remarked how windy it was down there now with all the warehouses gone:) Good job the Stanley Dock warehouses are still there:) It's true though, the warehouses that dominated that area were a huge windbreak. The demoltion of the Tate and Lyle complex there also included a very good range of warehouses from the 1840's, Love Lane also had some good warehouses.
Someone posted an aerial shot on here a while back, which showed Tate&Lyle and the warehouses, anyone remember it?

This.

How many of the pre-1930 warehouses still have an industrial function?

Good question. Some of the smaller ones,mostly from the 1890's onwards are small businesses, small workshops, garages. Very few are actually just for storage. Quite a few are now apartments, most are in use with the obvious exception of Stanley Dock(on which conversion work will start very soon) and the Jamaica St area.

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The Goree warehouses. The first Goree warehouses on that site were built in 1793,burnt down and rebuilt after a fire in 1802. They suffered war damage and were demolished in the 1950's. They could almost certainly have been saved. Personally, i don't think there was the will. Post'war government funding for rebuilding Liverpool after the devastating effect of the blitz on the city was prioritised for the docks(national importance) Despite the lack of funds available to the city i think there war damage could've even been a convenient excuse for demolition. The location of these magnificent structures was the cause of their ultimate demise imo. Freeing up space on the Strand for the motor car ,at the expense of the loss of warehouses,even those warehouses would've been an easy choice for the planners in the 1950's i'm afraid.
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Warehouses from the 1870's on Jamaica St in the Baltic Triangle. Demolished in the early 1980's.

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The first pic show the massive warehouses of Bibbys,demolished in the early 1980s. Also shown is Waterloo Dock,with two warehouses. Originally there were three warehouses at Waterloo, the north stack was demolished in the late 1940's and the west in 1967, leaving one today. Second pic,one of the Bibby warehouses that went in the early 1980's.

Looking at these photos brings out a resemblance to Detroit which has lost many significant old buildings.

I have always had a hankering to go back to 1930's Liverpool for some obscure reason if teleporting was a possibility

I am sure it was a fairly miserable existence for many during that time but the relative scale and importance of the city must have been quite impressive.

It would also have been good to catch up with my relatives and also see Dixie Dean play at Goodison

^^ I understand where you're coming from there.:)

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This huge Railway Goods warehouse in Kirkdale was built in 1880 and demolished in the late 1960's.
Photo, LRO.

The sad thing is (as proven) even when not required any more for warehousing they can be redeveloped into anything, good solid apartments,small business units retail and leisure.

The loss of the Bibbys warehouse is particularly heartbreaking.

This should be renamed the 'Square Battery Licking Thread'. It's deeply unpleasant, yet I insist on going back for more. Imagine how smart that area off Old Hall Street would be if those warehouses were retained, sandblasted and given the Albert Dock/Hamburg treatment. Such short-sightedness really is sad.

Have you got any pics of the large warehouses down from Millers Bridge, Bootle, that look like they've been halved in height?

:lol: Re: the Millers Bridge warehouses, Scarecrow, they can be seen in the first aerial pic in post 2. Some were demolished in 1976 and the rest in 1984,as part of the 'regeneration' of the area, replaced with the ubiquitous Industrial Estate.
I'll be concentrating on the legacy that remains from now on.:cheers:
(The remaining warehouses on the south side of Millers Bridge date from around 1900. The ones that were demolished were from about 1880 and far superior to what remains)

this is a great thread, and yeah the bibby building is a great loss. The old hall street area picture is great!

^^:cheers:

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Finally, before i move on to the extant warehousing,this is the photo of the Tate & Lyle complex i referred to on the previous page. The Eldonian Village now occupies the site. What a pity some of the canal side and Love Lane warehouses weren't retained as part of the development.

Existing Warehouses-1780-1860

The two earliest surviving warehouses in the city are both located in Henry St,which runs parallel to Duke St. It's no coincidence these warehouses are in close proximity to Duke St. It was the practice in the 18th century for merchants to have their warehouses at the back of their townhouses,sometimes even attached(there is an example of this in Fleet St)

Henry St in the 1780's was a dockland street,the northern end(where the Bridewell restaurant is) was then only yards away from the old dock(the world's first commercial wet dock) By the 1820's when the dock was filled in,the entire length of Henry St was packed with tall,narrow warehouses. A ten storey warehouse from the period, survived on the street until at least the 1930's. Ten storeyed warehouses were by no means uncommon in late Georgian Liverpool. In 1793, one visitor to the city observed ' on the sides of the docks are warehouses of uncommon size and strength,far surpassing in those respects the warehouses of London. To their different floors,often ten or eleven in number,goods are carried up with great facility' (Aiken,1793)

London did have warehouses of nine storeys in the late 18th century,however it couldn't match Liverpool. In fact there is a record of at least one 13 storey warehouse in the city at that time. With the exception of churches and cathedrals it's possible that the warehouses of late Georgian Liverpool were the tallest structures in the country ! Eighteenth century Liverpool skyscrapers, how appropriate:)

Great thread GV.

Soul destroying at times to see how built up the city was back then compared to now.

^^ Thanks. Yes, i agree but we still have a great architectural heritage.:)

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Warehouse from the 1830's on Argyle St. The 'box' at the top of the building is called a 'cathead' it was where the pulley came through from the winding gear in the loft.

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Warehouse and Bridewell from the 1850's, Argyle St. It looked unlikely these buildings would survive when i took the bottom two photos, in 2001 and 1989 respectively. However there has since been a very good restoration job carried out.:cheers:

Imagine how many building's like this we have lost.

Warehouses in the Baltic Triangle should NOT be allowed to be demolished. I know permission was given for a development that would see some warehouses there torn down, hopefully the scheme has been axed and the buildings saved.

Love this thread, keep the old pics coming, a few good ones here ive not seen before

^^I take it you're referring to the warehouses at Bridgewater St/Jamaica st,Medi? There are a couple of issues here. Liverpool City Council are so negligent as regards compelling owners of Listed Buildings that are deteriorating to take remedial action(Urgent Works Notices) that buildings become unsafe and have to be demolished,or actually collapse, as has been seen several times in the last few years. The other problem is the council has no powers to force a an owner of building to maintain it or prevent it being demolished(obviously) if it isn't Listed, this being the case with the warehouses at Bridgewater St/Jamaica St.

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The blocked 'porthole' types on this warehouse in Argyle St are typical of early warehouses. They aren't decorative, they were to let light on to the stairs.

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This photo from English Heritage shows the loft and winding gear in a warehouse in Argyle St(i'm pretty sure it's the warehouse in post 30) This is a manual hoist, and would've been hard graft. Hydrauliic hoists weren't in common in use in a lot of warehouses until near the end of the 19th century.

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Warehouse of 1808, Parr St. This was restored a few years ago and though not the best restoration, this is still the finest Georgian warehouse in the city. It was built by merchant Thomas Parr and in typical 18th century style it is immediately behind his town house which fronts Colquit St.

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and Thomas Parr's warehouse when i photographed it the late 1980's..

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Warehouse from the 1780's on Henry St.

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Another warehouse from the 1780's on Henry St.
Derelict when i photographed it in 2001.

The warehouses in posts 39 & 40 are the oldest in the city but aren't listed.
Back in 2004 i contacted the


council and told them what i knew about these warehouses and that they should be listed. The Conservation Dept were unaware of the buildings but said they would look in to it.
Then in 2005, developers had been found for the Henry St and Lydia Ann St area. The warehouses still hadn't been listed. I then contacted the regional office of English Heritage, which is in Manchester, to try and get the buildings 'Spot' listed( a kind of emergency listing). Incredibly, nobody in EH Manchester knew anything about the buildings, this despite the fact one of the warehouses had recently appeared in an EH publication. They told me to go through the council for listing process. After being passed back and forward between the two i decided to visit the developments myself.

Luckily the conversion of the warehouse i visted on Henry St, seemed ok. Quite a lot of the original building was being retained. This also appeared to be the case at the warehouse on Lydia Ann St i visted(i'm an amateur btw),there was a sting in the tail here though !

The main thing is the buildings have been saved but.....this is in spite of EH and the Conservation Dept at LCC ,not because of them.

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Early nineteeth warehouse on Henry St and the same building when i photographed it in the late 1980's.

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Two early nineteenth warehouses on Lydia Ann St, which runs parallel to Henry St. I visited the larger warehouse whilst it was under conversion/restoration. I spoke to couple of people who said the developers were aware of its significance, etc,etc ,and they would be carrying out a sensitive restoration. I walked away quite happy. A month a so later i looked across from Park Lane, to see said warehouse had the loft/gable removed and replaced with the hideous box top storey that's becoming so prevalent in the area. There's no other description but so say the building's integrity has been totally compromised, it's just plain ugly now.
Inclidentally, this is the sting in the tale i referred to in post 41. The building wasn't listed and this is the result.

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I took this picture in 2002. It is Argyle St, the large warehouse was a listed building and dated from the 1820's. In 2005, what appeared good news, developers were on site. I visited a few weeks later only to the site completely cleared, not a brick standing. I phoned the Conservation Dept and was told the contractors had to come off site because the building had become unsafe, the building was demolished. It was later replaced with a copy, or rather, a fake.

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Henry St.

Correction to post 42, i took the second photo in 2001.

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I took this picture of Henry St in the late 1980's. The second photo is of refurbished warehouse in post 42. The warehouse was owned by the City of Liverpool Steam Navigation Company,shipping line, which was taken over by Elder Dempster Line in 1894.

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A pair of warehouses of around 1800, College Lane.

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Early 19c century warehouse, Fleet St.

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Merchant's house with warehouse attached,1810, Fleet St/Slater St.

There's some beautiful buildings on this thread that I didn't know about, thanks for posting! :cheers2:

^^Thanks.

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A follow up to post 22, the huge warehouses on Millers Bridge, demolished between 1976 and 1984.

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I took this picture in 2002. It is Argyle St, the large warehouse was a listed building and dated from the 1820's. In 2005, what appeared good news, developers were on site. I visited a few weeks later only to the site completely cleared, not a brick standing. I phoned the Conservation Dept and was told the contractors had to come off site because the building had become unsafe, the building was demolished. It was later replaced with a copy, or rather, a fake.

Great thread & pictures ...

I've been living in the lower Duke Street area since 2000 and some of these photos have brought back some memories!

Looking at #44 I would guess this was taken pre 2000, Campbell Square and the roads leading into it were all blocked off during the development of this area which, if memory serves me correctly started in early 2000. The warehouses in the photo were due for renovation in phase 2 of the project and were being used to store equipment & materials for the work taking place on the other buildings surrounding Campbell Square, I remember one witty builder had painted 'B&Q' on a makeshift wooden door of the warehouse storing the building materials!

The gap in-between the warehouses was where the site office was located ... one cold, damp night in late 2001 the tallest warehouse collapsed on top of the site office, being just around the corner & with world events at that time I assumed a bomb had gone off due to the long, loud, deep rumble followed shortly afterwards by a huge plume of dust ... Luckily nobody was working late in the site office that night!

The remaining warehouses were checked and it was decided they were too unsafe to work on or around due to the way their foundations had been laid all those years ago, so they took the decision to demolish, saving the bricks so they could rebuild as closely as possible. I think they did a good job all things considered.

I believe the Casartelli building had a similar issue with its foundations which is why that too was demolished & re-built sometime later.

Great thread & pictures ...

I've been living in the lower Duke Street area since 2000 and some of these photos have brought back some memories!

Looking at #44 I would guess this was taken pre 2000, Campbell Square and the roads leading into it were all blocked off during the development of this area which, if memory serves me correctly started in early 2000. The warehouses in the photo were due for renovation in phase 2 of the project and were being used to store equipment & materials for the work taking place on the other buildings surrounding Campbell Square, I remember one witty builder had painted 'B&Q' on a makeshift wooden door of the warehouse storing the building materials!

The gap in-between the warehouses was where the site office was located ... one cold, damp night in late 2001 the tallest warehouse collapsed on top of the site office, being just around the corner & with world events at that time I assumed a bomb had gone off due to the long, loud, deep rumble followed shortly afterwards by a huge plume of dust ... Luckily nobody was working late in the site office that night!

The remaining warehouses were checked and it was decided they were too unsafe to work on or around due to the way their foundations had been laid all those years ago, so they took the decision to demolish, saving the bricks so they could rebuild as closely as possible. I think they did a good job all things considered.

I believe the Casartelli building had a similar issue with its foundations which is why that too was demolished & re-built sometime later.

Thanks for the input.

I can't be certain about the dates( i didn't date the photos) but i'm pretty sure it was shortly after 2000. Also the site of the collapsed warehouse was still unbuilt in Dec 2004. As far as the replacement goes.....i refuse to photograph it:) The photos in post 47 are either 1988 or 1989.

Also, you're correct about the Casartelli, Grade 11*, neglected until it was beyond saving. There was of course a Georgian warehouse adjoining on the Hanover St side, 'rebuilt' at the same time, another building which i won't photograph:)

It is really interesting to learn that many warehouse owners lived 'on site' in what would have been fairly plush accommodation for the time

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The cluster of warehouses in the foreground(mostly Georgian) were swept away in 1979-80 as part of a road widening scheme(ring road) and replaced with the King Edward Industrial Estate. At least half of the warehouses could've been retained. Nicholas Pevsner mentions these warehouses when he visited Liverpool in 1967 and advises people to visit. Unforgivable civic vandalism.
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Great pic and agreed about the civic vandalism. Cracking thread too.

There are quite a few warehouse photos in the various docklands books as well as Freddie O'Connors our city-our heritage and It all came tumbling down.

Galton Street 1968 - LRO

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Galton st 1968 - higher up


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^^Good stuff Keayman. :cheers:

Mathew St/Temple Court

Until the early 1960's the western end of Victoria St was the centre of the fruit & vegetable trade. Most of the warehouses on Mathew St were for fruit(i think the orginal cavern was a banana warehouse)
There are five warehouses in Mathew St/Temple Court, dating from 1830-1840. They are very good examples of the period,better than the average. Most have pediments, two have doorways that are more usually seen on townhouses of the time.
To put this cluster of buildings in a national context,there are only a handful of places(Gloucester's canal warehouses is one) where you will find warehouses from the 1830's of this stature and condition in close proximity.
Incidentally, nearby Button St and Rainford Gardens have have warehouses from the 1860's and 1880's, which will feature later.

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Warehouse from the 1830's, Temple Court.

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Temple Court/Mathew St, 1840.

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Temple Court,1830's.

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The corner of Mathew St and Rainford Square, 1830's.

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Mathew St, 1830's.

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View from Rainford Square in to Temple Court.

It's fascinating that they're so old. So well built too and so many bricks, not like today's steel and glass. Most people probably don't give these a second glance and very rarely upwards. Keep em coming GV and i'll see what else I can dig out.

Metcalfs warehouse on Bridgewater street.


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Inside it


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Bridgewater street showing No 41 in ye olden days.

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^^Good find. This is the warehouse i referred to in post 34. It is to be demolished to make way for apartments. Below is the block when i photographed it in 2002. No decision has been made on the two warehouses on the left. The warehouse far left is Georgian, still in tact in 2002. In 2004 it was damaged by fire and lost its top floor. The mystery is why it wasn't listed. The fire actually revealed how much original fabric remained in the building.:ohno:
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Bridgewater St/Jamaica St.

Great thread! Loving all these old warehouses, not something many visitors would look outdoor, but I shall be in Liverpool in a few weeks so shall keep my eye out for a few of these, they look stunning! And is there nothing we can do to get EH to list te non listed ones?

Glad you're enjoying the thread. Re: listing, specifically the Georgian warehouse in Bridgewater St, EH would be unlikely to list it now because of the fire damage and loss of the top floor. However it should NOT be demolished !

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The warehouses at Bridgewater St this morning. Metcalf's warehouse is far right and is to be demolished and replaced with apartments. No decision has been taken on the remaining warehouses,one of which is Georgian. This should NOT be demolished.

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The Georgian warehouse at Bridgewater St, showing original features,such as timber loading bays,windows and 'portholes' with their original iron grilles. If there isn't a safety issue with this building it should be retained.

The Jesse Hartley Warehouses at Stanley Dock.

Stanley Dock and warehouses were built between 1848-1852, by the great Liverpool Dock Engineer ,Jesse Hartley. The Hartley warehouses were the fiirst in Liverpool to have the benefit of hydraulics. The hydraulics tower can still be seen immediately to west of the the north warehouse.
In 1900, the dock was partially filled in with the construction of the huge Tobacco Warehouse.
With the recent very welcome news the dock is to be developed, now is the time for anyone interested in these buildings to visit them and record EVERYTHING:) before the restoration and alterations take place. I was fortunate on my visit to be able to access the interiors of both warehouses.

The South Warehouse .

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The first picture shows the columns encased in brickwork after the dock was partially filled in for the Tobacco Warehouse in 1900.

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First floor interior with arched-brick ceilings and cast iron columns.

The North Warehouse

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The last few bays of this warehouse were demolished after war damage.

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The second photo shows the concave profile of the coulmns. These are similar to the columns at Wapping warehouse. Both Wapping and Stanley were built after the Albert Dock,where the coulmns are slightly convex in profile. The architectural term for this is entasis, it was used in Classical Greek architecture to correct the optical illusion of concave profiles on straight sides, viewed from afar. The change from convex at the Albert Dock to concave at Stanley and Wapping was a 'correction' by Hartley who thought concave would be appropriate for hollow cast iron coulmns.
Absolutely fantastic:cheers:

Warehouse at Vulcan St/Waterloo Rd


This is the earliest surviving example of a fireproof warehouse in Liverpool. Built in 1843,and designed by Liverpool architect, A.H. Holme,it only predates the fireproof warehouse at nearby Dublin St, by a year and the Albert Dock by a couple of years. Never the less, it's a fine and historic building by a fine architect.

It was built to store cotton but the mid 1840s was used as a holding area for refugees fleeing the Great Hunger in Ireland.

Recently i was lucky enough to be given a tour of the building,by the owner, who has been in possession of the building since 1983. The building is listed, but more importantly is in the ownership of someone who is fully aware of its historic significance and is eager to retain as much of the original fabric of the building as possible.
The building is currently in use as a Recording Studio and is in good hands.:cheers:

Fireproofing.

The first fireproof warehouses in Liverpool were built in the 1830's. From the late 18th century the streets around the waterfront, with their tall, densely packed warehouses had plagued by fire. Several local building acts had been passed in the 1820's and 1830's to reduce the risk of fire but it wasn't until 1842, that warehouses were graded for insurance purposes for their fire resistance.

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Vulcan St/Waterloo Rd,1843.

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Brick arched ceilings and cast iron columns.

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Cast iron window frames and shutters and stone tiled floors.

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The roof, which is completely wood free. The slates are tied on to the iron frames.

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It was great to see this, the original manual hoist. Alongside it are the later hydraulics and eclectrics, all untouched. The owner is in the process of restoring this and other parts of the building.:cheers:

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The first pic show the massive warehouses of Bibbys,demolished in the early 1980s. Also shown is Waterloo Dock,with two warehouses. Originally there were three warehouses at Waterloo, the north stack was demolished in the late 1940's and the west in 1967, leaving one today. Second pic,one of the Bibby warehouses that went in the early 1980's.

Exchange Court Building, 1920. New York City...

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Interesting view of New York 1920...
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Bigger scale than Liverpool, by far, but there's a sense of how the two cities once had much in common, for a time.

Looking at these photos brings out a resemblance to Detroit which has lost many significant old buildings.


Yep.



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-rcctmcxGwM

^^^^Someone posted a photo a few years ago of a photo of the New York waterfront in the 1920's with a picture of Liverpool's central waterfront and part of the north docks. The foregrounds were strikingly similar. A really wide river, lined with miles of docks built out onto it and huge,densely packed warehouses.

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The first pic show the massive warehouses of Bibbys,demolished in the early 1980s. Also shown is Waterloo Dock,with two warehouses. Originally there were three warehouses at Waterloo, the north stack was demolished in the late 1940's and the west in 1967, leaving one today. Second pic,one of the Bibby warehouses that went in the early 1980's.This was particularly handsome. What a shame!

Hello GV. Regarding the Vulcan street warehouse. Obviously you'll know why the bottom floor is painted like a keyboard as it houses the studios/rehearsal rooms - which we used to go to.

Once inside, of course I have a nosey around.


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Argyle street

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Back Commutation Row

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Bankhall

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That one at Bankhall is great, ive seen some photos from inside, back in the day a barge could sail right in through that bricked up arch

No, Keayman, i didn't know that about the facade at Vulcan St:) good one. Great pics btw.:cheers:

The Clarence Warehouse at Great Howard St.


This warehouse is also known as Brancker's Warehouse,after the original owner. Constructed in 1844, just a year before the Albert Dock, it was the largest warehouse in the city at the time. Fireproof, similar to the nearby Vulcan St warehouse, brick ceilings, iron window frames,stone floors and iron framed roof.

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The warehouse when i photographed it in 1988( not a bad photo for me:))

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Interesting to see the TDG logo on the warehouse above. I assume this means it is being used as a warehouse still. It would be interesting to know how 'competitive' these warehouses are with their metal shed counterparts today... probably not so much as trucks and forklifts carry much more than people and ships...

^^ It's still in use at least partially as a warehouse. Incidentally, The Liverpool Warehousing Company as seen on Clarence Warehouse was set up in 1895, and once owned over 400 warehouses in Liverpool and Manchester.

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Early 19thc warehouse, Henry St/York St.

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Former Rice Mill, Park Lane, the Baltic Triangle. Part of the warehousing here dates back to the 1830's.

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What a lovely apartment.

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Love to see this converted into flat's.

^^ It's still in use at least partially as a warehouse. Incidentally, The Liverpool Warehousing Company as seen on Clarence Warehouse was set up in 1895, and once owned over 400 warehouses in Liverpool and Manchester.

Indeed, I passed one of those warehouses in manchester - doing a double take at the 15 foot white brick words 'Liverpool Warehousing Company' incongruesly placed next to MUFC's Old Trafford.

^^ That's right, it's here.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=623851

^^ That's right, it's here.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=623851

Someone has painted over the words on the side of that building in black paint :lol:

^^I'm surprised it lasted so long:)

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Warehouse from the 1840's on the Sefton St stretch of the dock rd. A plan to convert this building into apartments fell through about 5 years ago. Buildings like this are particularly vulnerable to demolition, it isn't listed and isn't in a conservation area. Buildings like this disappear overnight because the public doesn't have to be notified about possible demolition/alterations to it.

Wapping Warehouse


Another of the great Jesse Hartley warehouses. 1856, Grade 11*. Similar to the Hartley warehouses at Stanley Dock,concave columns and like the north warehouse at Stanley,damaged in the war ,although the columns of the missing section remain at Wapping.

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The columns of the missing section of warehouse that was lost to wartime bombing.

The Albert Dock


The Albert Dock is the largest group of Grade 1 listed buildings in the country. Constructed between 1843 and 1847 to the designs of Liverpool dock engineer, Jesse Hartley, it is the finest 19thc dock in the world.

It seems unthinkable now, but there was a real possibility of the dock being demolished in the 1960's. Several schemes were put forward and it appears it was ony the financial crisis at the dock board and its eventual collapse that prevented the unthinkable from happening. This despite the dock being Grade 1 listed since 1952.

The inspiration for the Albert Dock, was St Katherine's Dock in London,built in the 1820's and designed by Philip Hardwick. Hartley consulted Hardwick on his plans, the clock and cupola which topped the NE stack was designed by Hardwick(demolished in 1960)
Hartley improved on St Katherine's Dock, which had wooden floors and roofs. Albert Dock was fireproof throughout,Hartley also introduced eliptical arches to facilitate more efficient unloading. In 1848 hydraulic hoists were installed,the first in the world, another first, was the iron-skin roof,iron plates supported by iron trusses.
If Hartley was to be judged on his engineering achievements at Albert Dock,he would be acclaimd a great success but his work in Liverpool is much more that. The columns at Albert, convex, 'corrected' at Stanley and Wapping Docks to concave, for aesthetic purposes only, this was a warehouse after all, not a Greek Revival Temple ! The whimsical nature of the arrow slits and battlements of the gates and towers around the dock estate are a delight


The Albert Dock to me is much more evocative and symbolic of the city's past role as truly global city, than St George' s Hall or the mercantile palaces at the Pier Head. To quote Pevsner once more: " For sheer punch there is little in the early commercial architecture of Europe to equal it" It's also a great monument to the people who toiled at its quays and warehouses and those who manned the ships that were the city's life blood.

It has to be admitted, there is a democratic deficit on the city's waterfront.Principal roads and the majority of docks are named in honour of exploits of empire or Royalty(one notable exception being Great Howard St,named after the penal reformer) Dukes, Princes, Lords, Kings and Queens.
It's to the city's embarrassment that no public sculpture has been erected,dock or thoroughfare named after Jesse Hartley.
Instead of the city's most famous dock being named after a German Prince,who through an accident of birth , was elevated to a position of privilege and power, the dock should be renamed in honour of the genius who designed it. Realistically, Regent Rd, should be renamed Hartley Rd , a small tribute to a man who left Liverpool a world legacy.:cheers:

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The Albert Dock around the early 1980's, marooned in a sea of mud but refusing to go under. That image could be a metaphor for the city at the time,politically and economically isolated, beseiged but defiant.:cheers:

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The clock on the NE stack at the Albert Dock, designed by Philip Hardwick,it was demolished in 1960.

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Warehouses 1860-1930


The 1860's seen the emergence of the huge warehouses on much larger footprints than before,especially around the Jamaica St and dock rd areas. This was in part due to the land available after the clearance of the court dwellings. This was repeated again in the Baltic Triangle in 1914, a number of warehouses that replaced the slums still remain.
The architecture has now moved on from the Classical. Polychrome and decorative brickwork are fashionable, pressed red brick and round arched windows also.

Warehouses at Rainford Square/Button St/Rainford Gardens

These two blocks continue in a 'U' shape off Mathew St. They were built between 1863 and 1880, they aren't fireproof, having wooden floors.

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Rainford Square,1863.

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Button St, 1863.

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Rainford Gardens,1880.

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Another warehouse of 1863,this time on Argyle St. I like this, quite austere,very good restoration job.

Love this thread why can't we build stuff like this anymore.

^^:cheers:

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Pair of adjoining warehouses ,1860's, Peter St, off Victoria St. Probably the same architect, quite interesting. The first warehouse has 'Horseshoe' windows,a touch of the east. Then the next warehouse carries that on only to the Victoria St facade goes full Venetian Gothic, with the addition of pointed arch windows.
Venetian Gothic is very rare in Liverpool, i can only recall 4 or 5 buildings in this style. It was much more popular Manchester,which has some very fine warehouses in this style.

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The Albert Dock should have black pillars like this, instead of the tacky pinkish ones that they currently have.

^^I know what you mean, the black is more sober but i prefer the Salmon/pink, the colour of common brick. I think it works well.

^^I know what you mean, the black is more sober but i prefer the Salmon/pink, the colour of common brick. I think it works well.

They're not made from brick though, so why paint them pink?

Every old pic of the Albert Dock has them in black - I know that this must be dirt and grime to some extent, but are there any historical records for how they looked when the dock was opened?

EDIT

This pic from 1924 shows the rusted iron (I think), but later pics still look better with the black grime. I can't imagine that they would have been rusty when it opened

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http://www.chesterwalls.info/gallery/albertold.html

^^Black would be much too sombre for what it is now,even though it adds more dignity. They were orginally black but then it performed a completely different function. The pink/salmon, actually accentuates the columns. No other shade would work. Just my opinion:)

^^Black would be much too sombre for what it is now,even though it adds more dignity. They were orginally black but then it performed a completely different function. The pink/salmon, actually accentuates the columns. No other shade would work. Just my opinion:)

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one GV (though for me it's like comparing Mann Island with the Crown Plaza).

Anyway, here're the earliest image that I can find of the Albert Dock:

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/upload/img_400/A008945.jpg


...plus an E. Chambre Hardman pic from 1945:

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The thing to remember about conversions of historic buildings rather than restorations is that is unavoidable that some of the integrity of the building is lost. The Albert Dock is a different buiding today to what it was before it was restored/converted. Some of the windows were made bigger, it lost something in the conversion but that is a price that has to be paid so save these buildings and to put them to new uses. Black columns on a four sided dock like Albert ,would be gloomy, they would be almost invisible on some days.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one GV (though for me it's like comparing Mann Island with the Crown Plaza).

Anyway, here're the earliest image that I can find of the Albert Dock:

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/upload/img_400/A008945.jpg


...plus an E. Chambre Hardman pic from 1945:

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PR, i totally understand where you coming from on this and also i know you hate red brick:lol:

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A good , late Victorian warehouse of 6 storeys, at Porter St, off the dock Rd, near Waterloo Dock. A very good restoration/ conversion, restaurant on the ground floor.

A modest 4 storey on the corner of Norfolk and Simpson Street, dating from 1881.

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^^ And here it is in detail. Iron window frames and doors but wooden floors, a good degree of fire resistance but not fireproof. Warehouses were graded for their fire resistance for insurance purposes.
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Warehouse from the 1880's at Greenland St/Jamaica St/Parliament St. Three neighbouring warehouses on the same scale as this were demolished in the early 1980's and replaced with industrial units.

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The warehouse from the previous post when i photographed it in 2001. The industrial unit in the centre of the picture replaced a huge Victorian warehouse in the early 1980's. The industrial unit has since been demolished itself. The creation of this and other industrial estates scattered across inner Liverpool in the 1980's was little more than a cosmetic exercise in 'regeneration' .

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Polychrome warehouses from the 1870's at Watkinson St/Jamaica St. Some excellent brickwork here.

Waterloo Warehouse


Waterloo warehouse was built in 1867 to the designs of dock engineer,G.F.Lyster, who took over the post from the great Jesse Hartley in 1859. The dock was built in the 1830's but was adapted in the 1860's to become the world's first bulk grain dock.

Originally there were 3 warehouses, the north stack suffered bomb damage in the war and was demolished in 1947, the west stack went as late as 1969.

Waterloo Dock and its warehouses were a very impressive sight when first built,prints of the dock were on sale nationally when it opened,celebrating Victorian engineering and the majesty of Liverpool's docks and warehouses.

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The dock pre-war with the 3 warehouses intact.
Photo, LRO.

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The remaining Waterloo Dock warehouse under conversion when i photographed it in the early 1990's.

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Taken yesterday.

Another brilliant thread mate :cheers:

the west stack went as late as 1969.


unbelievable!

^^ Cheers Yosh. If you don't mind, have a look at my last post on the Doorways thread, re: Cyclopean, what do you think?

2 i just found from 2006 on Gradwell Street, this now has apartments both sides

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^^Good stuff. Here are the apartments which i photographed for the 'Terracotta' thread.
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Derelict warehouses on Henry St.

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The Campbell Square end of Henry St, pressed red brick with date stone of 1886.

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The Kent St end of Henry St, late Victorian. Despite the the presence of the two derelict warehouses shown previously, Henry St is a success story. Only 6 or 7 years ago, this forgotten historic street was decaying and neglected,today it is alive with small businesses and apartments.:cheers:

2 i just found from 2006 on Gradwell Street, this now has apartments both sides

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That one will have workers in it soon too as it is getting converted into student apartments.

^^ Cheers Yosh. If you don't mind, have a look at my last post on the Doorways thread, re: Cyclopean, what do you think?


Dunno mate, maybe Cyclopean with a hint of Hartley/Victorian pragmatism perhaps? To be fair, the ancient Greeks never used cast iron either.

^^It's not a criticism of Hartley,he didn't call Cyclopean, it's an effective building method. The man was a genius.:cheers:

Dunno mate, maybe Cyclopean with a hint of Hartley/Victorian pragmatism perhaps? To be fair, the ancient Greeks never used cast iron either.

Yosh, the ancient Greeks were too clever to use cast iron(iron anyway) on their buildings. The column sections on the temples (called drums) were held in place by lead rods. They wouldn't use iron because they knew it would expand, crack the columns and rust away. It was left to the dumbo conservators in the 19thc, to use iron rods in the columns, with devastating results on the Parthenon in particular:bash:

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Peter's Lane, off Hanover St, warehouse from the 1850's. Credit to Grosvenor's architects for including this in the development, it is certainly worthy of the truncated Peter's Lane.

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Warehouses from the 1880's fronting Argyle St/York St/Henry St.

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and back in 1989.

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Duke St Lane.

This thread is becoming totally addictive.

^^:):okay:

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Humyak House, Duke St. Much of the interior of this warehouse remains untouched since it was built in 1864. It still retains its old manual hoist in the loft, and iron staircase.I've seen photos of the interior but i haven't actually been inside. I've tried to view the building a couple of times in the last few weeks (as it's about to be converted to student accommodation, thanks to Bugged Boy for the info on that)but it has been locked up both times unfortunately.

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Wood St, early 20thc, i like this.

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Rainford Square, off Mathew St.

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Polychrome brickwork on Cheapside.

Vulcan studios on Waterloo Road

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^^ I was in there a few weeks ago. Good one.

The Midland Railway Goods Warehouse (Conservation Centre)
Built in 1874 and designed by Culshaw & Summers. This warehouse takes up most of the block fronting Crosshall st/Peter St/ Whitechapel and Victoria St. A great building considering its original purpose, now of course the Conservation Centre.

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Polychrome brickwork on Cheapside.

That would make a great house.

^^Yes, the good thing is most warehouses are in use. Quite a lot have already been converted to either apartments or offices.

One of the ones of Jamaica Street
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Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/4737carlin/6830275105/) by 4737 carlin (http://www.flickr.com/people/4737carlin/), on Flickr

Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse


Built in 1900 to the designs of dock engineer,A.G.Lyster, it was reputed to be the largest brick building in the world. 13 storeys, blue,red and brown brick with a granite base, concrete floors and iron columns. Although from an architecture or engineering point, not that interesting(especially internally,which is to its advantage in resspect of conversion) size is everything here. You can only really appreciate the scale of this building from an elevated position. Conveniently a train journey on the nearby Northern Line gives a a perfect vantage point.
Closed in 1980, redevelopment is imminent.:cheers:

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Warehouses from the 1880's on Progress Lane(between Stanley St and Temple Lane)

Another one just off Jamaica Street

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Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/4737carlin/6851608717/) by 4737 carlin (http://www.flickr.com/people/4737carlin/), on Flickr

Great photo and some fantastic photos on your website

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Warehouses from 1867 and 1869 fronting Wood St/Concert Sq/Fleet St.

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Preston St, off Dale St/Victoria St,1870's. The original iron doors have been retained as a feature.

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Peter St(adjoining the Conservation Centre) 1860's.

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Temple Lane, about 1880.

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A similar warehouse in date and style to the previous one,this time in Cheapside.

An Update

I have now located (i think :)) and photographed all the warehouses in the city centre and docklands, i will upload the remainder in the fortnight or so. There are 88 purpose built warehouses with another 23 offices or factories with an integrated warehouse facilty, usually at the rear of the building,this type is almost exclusively found in the city centre. I haven't included offices with a basement warehouse, such as The Albany, Old Hall St.

This little survey has been enjoyable and informative for me and i've appreciated the positive comments from forumers.:cheers:

A fantastic, and no doubt time consuming effort TGV.

I trust you have a robust pair of Doc Martins kindest footwear!

^^Hush Puppies, RS:) :cheers:

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Preston St,1870's.

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The Lomax, Cumberland St,about 1880. White glazed-brick is most often used in the side streets/back streets. Can't say i like the white myself, although i've noticed coloured glazed-bricks on some new developments which look ok.

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Stanley St,1880's. The close-up of the balcony reminds me of the red brick apartments of the 1890's in London's ,Kensington.

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Cornhill, 1900. Not great pics these but the Baltic Fleet is just visible in the background,also the hoardings of the failed Windsor development, Neptune have recently revealed their plans for this site(see the Baltic thread)

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The warehouse when i photographed it in 1997. The site of the building centre right, is now occupied by Chandler's Wharf apartments.

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Princes St off Victoria St.

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Temple St, 1870's.

^^^ Good work Golden vision^^^

^^:okay: :)

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This range of warehouses are at the the rear of Abbey Buildings and Crown Buildings at the eastern end of Victoria St,1880's.

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Temple Lane,1870's.

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Preston St.

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Crosshall St.

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North St, which is at the eastern end of Dale st.

Brilliant photos GV, a really great collection there. Your Crosshall st ones though are Tithebarn st. As much as I think that new(er) fangled glass/balconied building is on the far right of the pic, it's nothing compared to Beetham House and the old Bradford Hotel is it.

^^Thanks Keayman. Only a townie would know that Tittybarn St ends a further 30 yards east:lol: . Should've been GREAT Crosshall st as well.:) I agree about the Bradford, i took a few close-ups, a fine building.:cheers:

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White glazed-brick warehouses from the 1880's on Hockenhall Alley,off Dale St.

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Bands' warehouse,Vernon St,off Dale St,1890's. An interesting building this, not only is it one the few remaining historic warehouses in the city centre,which is virtually unaltered(it retains the hydraulic hoist in the attic) but it was in ownership of the Bands family, who in the 18thc were,and i'm quoting English Heritage here 'Plantation owners' sounds like a euphemism to me,anyway,here's the bad news: The vacant site alongside the warehouse was occupied by a late 18thc building until its collapse 4 or 5 years ago. This building was the home of the Bands family.:ohno:

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Warehouse with blind tracery, Mathew St,1890's.(tracery is ornamental,intersecting work, usually seen in gothic windows,see the close-up)

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Pall Mall, around 1900. This warehouse is a good example of why studying even seemingly mundane buildings like this can be so interesting, for me anyway. The very top of the building has raised brickwork, this is a Romanesque motif, called a billet,nice little touch. There is a similar warehouse in Wood St, which has already featured, it has to be the same architect.

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The Wood St warehouse,again about 1900 and red brick with billet motif.

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Stanley St. This has to be the finest office/warehouse building(i'm excluding the likes of the Albany,with basement warehousing) in the city, palazzo style,excellent.:cheers:

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Here's another warehouse with a little surprise near roof level, a couple of what look like Imps, clinging onto the cornice.Stanley St,1890's.

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Trueman St. This warehouse probably dates back to the 1830's but unfortunately has been messed about a bit.

Love this thread, keep up the good work! It's interesting to see how so much of it is converted to the earlier pics you took a decade or so ago. Also like the building on Stanley street, reminds me of the warehouses in Manchester

^^Thanks. Manchester has some fine palazzo style warehouses.

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Canal warehouse at Bankhall St, i like this:)

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Vulcan St off the dock rd,1903.

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Warehouse from the 1860's on Fulton St off Blackstone St, Kirkdale.

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Grundy St off Derby Rd, 1920's.

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Late Victorian on Kitchen St, Baltic Triangle.

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Blundell St, Baltic Triangle. This and most of the other streets nearby were developed in the 1780's with a combination of Court dwellings and warehouses. The area has a dark history, nearby Cornhill is the site of a mass grave of cholera victims of the 1840's. Blundell St and the adjacent Sparling St are both named after Slave Merchants.

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Blundell St, 1882 and 1916

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Warehouse from the 1920's between Millers Bridge and Effingham St, Bootle. Still visible here is the remains of a huge warehouse from the 1880's, cut down in the 1920's.

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The remains of a huge warehouse which originally occupied the block between Howe St and Effingham St, adjacent to Millers Bridge. This was also reduced in size in the 1920's, although with sections removed rather than cut down as at Millers Bridge. The two remaining Victorian sections are well worth preserving.

Cheers GV. It'd be interesting to see inside those warehouses. Have they had the inner floors removed to create large shed-like spaces?

^^That certainly appears to be the case judging by the size of the entrances,this is the Effingham St side of the Millers Bridge block. Good spot:cheers:
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^^That's part of the range on Button St/Rainford Gardens. I like that block, it has a domestic look about it, doorways etc, it resembles a Victorian tenement.

The following warehouses are all in the city's north dockland, these are on Birchall St.
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Grundy St

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Luton St