Prošlih dana sam malo švrljao po Njemačkoj i boravio po par dana u Berlinu, Stuttgartu, Düsseldorfu, Gochu i još par mjesta.

Pošto su ovi veći gradovi već skoro svima više-manje poznati i poslikani, riješio sam da malo obradim gradić Goch, koji se nalazi u okrugu Kleve, savezna država Nordrhein-Westfalen, tek kojih par kilometara od nizozemske granice.

Nisam nosio svoj fotić, te sam isti posudio od prijatelja i uhvatio dva sata lagane šetnjice u pauzi između konstantno kišnog i tmurnog vremena. Ljeti i u proljeće sve to izgleda puno, puno ljepše i živopisnije.

Tipični njemački gradić, kakvih u Njemačkoj ima na tisuće. Možda i najbolji primjer da dočara svakodnevni život većine obične populacije u Njemačkoj, van vreve, gužve, stresa i strke velikih gradova i njihovih metro zona.

Goch Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goch , http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goch

Web stranice grada - https://www.goch.de/

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Prvi put cujem o tom selu. :lol:
Samo dalje svabo! :cheers:

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Skromna kuća jednog Hercegovca :cheers: :lol:

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To bi bilo to! :cheers:

Ako pitate za ljude, na fotkama se vidi nešto školaraca i umirovljenika u središnjoj trgovačkoj ulici, a ostalo je sve prazno kao na mjesecu. Bio je radni dan.

Znači, atmosfera istovjetna kao u Hrvatskoj! :lol: :lol: (šala mala)

svaka čast za slike :D

kakvo lijepo mjesto
definitivno bi volio tu zivjeti

svaka čast za slike :D

kakvo lijepo mjesto
definitivno bi volio tu zivjeti

Gradić Goch, iz ove reportaže, je smješten u čisto poljoprivrednom kraju, neposredno uz nizozemsku granicu. Okružen je desetinama farmi i seoskih gospodarstava i nema neku jaču proizvodnu industriju i tradiciju. Ima jednu industrijsko-skladišnu zonu na periferiji gradića. Znači, okruženje i ambijent su farmersko-seljački.

Hoću reći da ovo mjesto nije ništa specijalno za njemačke pojmove. Ovakvih gradića po Njemačkoj ima na stotine, možda i tisuće, i mnogo, mnogo ljepših i uređenijih, te skockanijih.

Ovo sam stavio na forum čisto iz razloga da ljudima istaknem da su upravo ovakva mala mjesta i gradovi u tkzv. provinciji, daleko od velegradova i sjaja nebodera i palača, glavna i osnovna snaga svake razvijene države. Ono čime Njemačka meni najviše imponira je velika decentraliziranost cijele države i relativno ravnomjeran razvitak, kako saveznih država, tako i gradova i provincije. Kada se tomu doda super razvijena prometna i svekolika druga infrastruktura, može se reći da čovjek na cijelom teritoriju Njemačke živi maltene istim životnim standardom i stilom.

Kada pogledaš ulice Gocha i ulice u predgrađu Munchena, ne vidiš skoro nikakvu razliku u ambijentu i standardu življenja. Kao usporedbu, pogledajmo stanje u, primjerice, Drnišu i u Zagrebu kod nas. Neusporedivo!

Meni upravo imponiraju takve stvari, a ne to dali neki glavni li veliki grad gradi neki projekt od 1 milijardu $ ili 4, 5 nekakvih nebodera.

Kada se tomu doda super razvijena prometna i svekolika druga infrastruktura, može se reći da čovjek na cijelom teritoriju Njemačke živi maltene istim životnim standardom i stilom.

Kada pogledaš ulice Gocha i ulice u predgrađu Munchena, ne vidiš skoro nikakvu razliku u ambijentu i standardu življenja. Kao usporedbu, pogledajmo stanje u, primjerice, Drnišu i u Zagrebu kod nas. Neusporedivo!

Meni upravo imponiraju takve stvari, a ne to dali neki glavni li veliki grad gradi neki projekt od 1 milijardu $ ili 4, 5 nekakvih nebodera.

E to je to!
Upravo zato mene ni najmanje ne impresioniraju mega projekti poput neboderčina u Zagrebu ili planova za metro ili nešto slično, pa ni u Osijeku projekt Eurodoma dok imamo toliko drugog prečeg posla za podizanje općeg standarda...

Lijep gradić. Posebno mi se sviđa toranj crkve koji mi se čini novijom gradnjom, a opet potpuno uklopljen u okolinu. Nešto za što pojedinci (Aljmaš, Darda...) nisu valjda nikad čuli...

Hoću reći da ovo mjesto nije ništa specijalno za njemačke pojmove. Ovakvih gradića po Njemačkoj ima na stotine, možda i tisuće, i mnogo, mnogo ljepših i uređenijih, te skockanijih.



Ma u Bavarskoj i Baden Wurtembergu, što sam ja obilazio, ima masu i ljepših ovakvih manjih mjesta. Takvih lijepi gradića sam vidio, kao na razglednicama izgledaju - da poželiš živjeti tu. Uredno, čisto, infrastruktura na visokom nivou i razvijeno.

Njemačka je u tim stvarima nenadjebiva.

Ono što mene zanima je, koliko je Njemačkoj trebalo da svoja mjesta digne na tako visok nivo gledano od 2.svj. rata.

Njema je i prije rata bila više razvijena od našeg malog komadića svijeta, ali s obzirom da je u ratu bila poprilično razhebna, posramljena i iscrpljena, baš me zanima koliko je trebalo vremena...

Ima netko ideju?

...jer evo gledam jučer na temi Photo o Vukovaru kako je grad izgledao 1988. i ne mogu se oteti dojmu da nas je rat unazadio ne 20 već 40 godina. Vjerujem da bi Vu danas kao i cijela RH bio bar na razini Slovenije sada.

Ono što mene zanima je, koliko je Njemačkoj trebalo da svoja mjesta digne na tako visok nivo gledano od 2.svj. rata.

Njema je i prije rata bila više razvijena od našeg malog komadića svijeta, ali s obzirom da je u ratu bila poprilično razhebna, posramljena i iscrpljena, baš me zanima koliko je trebalo vremena...

Ima netko ideju?

...jer evo gledam jučer na temi Photo o Vukovaru kako je grad izgledao 1988. i ne mogu se oteti dojmu da nas je rat unazadio ne 20 već 40 godina. Vjerujem da bi Vu danas kao i cijela RH bio bar na razini Slovenije sada.

Njemacka je imala srecu u nesreci.

Oko 80 % proizvodnje kapacitete u Njemackoj nije bilo osteceno nakon rata. Velike gradove su bile unistene, ali Njemacka je oduvik bila dobro podjelenje sta se ekonomije tice. A i ulice, pruge nisu bile previse rusene.

Cilj SAD, Francuske i Engleske nije bilo jacenje Njemacke. Ali kad je doslo do problema izmedju SAD i Sovjeta (hladni rat, da li se to tako u Hrvatskoj kaze?) obe sile su ulozile puno da svoju Njemacku jacaju, jer ako ne jacaju svoje podrucje, lako je moglo pripast drugome, kako se i na kraju desilo. Ni jedan svabo zapadne Njemacke nije htio u istocnu Njemacku, obrnute su istocnjaci pokusali proc u zapad.

Uz to jos i gospodarsko cudo sta je bilo u Njemackoj (1948 - 1958). :cheers::cheers:

Ono što mene zanima je, koliko je Njemačkoj trebalo da svoja mjesta digne na tako visok nivo gledano od 2.svj. rata.

Njema je i prije rata bila više razvijena od našeg malog komadića svijeta, ali s obzirom da je u ratu bila poprilično razhebna, posramljena i iscrpljena, baš me zanima koliko je trebalo vremena...

Ima netko ideju?

...jer evo gledam jučer na temi Photo o Vukovaru kako je grad izgledao 1988. i ne mogu se oteti dojmu da nas je rat unazadio ne 20 već 40 godina. Vjerujem da bi Vu danas kao i cijela RH bio bar na razini Slovenije sada.
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Prvi put cujem o tom selu. :lol:
Samo dalje svabo! :cheers:

Ja nekad čuem prvi put za gradove od skoro 100 tisuća stanovnika u Njemačkoj, a kamoli za ovo. :D

Ja nekad čuem prvi put za gradove od skoro 100 tisuća stanovnika u Njemačkoj, a kamoli za ovo. :D

Zar i ti zivis u BRD? :banana:

Lijep je Goch :okay:

Zanimljiva reportaža,a najviše zbog veličine i čudesne blagodati Gocha.

Da,već su i meni malo dosadile reportaže velikih gradova. Odlične slike :okay:

Dobra reportaža i apsolutno ispravan komentar u postingu 57 - inače živim u toj pokrajini i dobro su mi poznati gradići u provinciji blizu nizozemske granice ... imaju svoj poseban šarm.

:cheers:

Dobra reportaža i apsolutno ispravan komentar u postingu 57 - inače živim u toj pokrajini i dobro su mi poznati gradići u provinciji blizu nizozemske granice ... imaju svoj poseban šarm.

:cheers:

Radi trave? :lol:

Radi trave? :lol:

Jezik pregrizao! :bash: :lol:

Radi trave? :lol:

höhö - nööööö :lol:

Imao sam priliku da živim u raznim krajevima švabije

Duesseldorf
Heidelberg
Berlin
Muenchen

Sad ponovo Duesseldorf - i ne kajem se.
Ljudi su prijatni, opušteni i kulturni - život mi se tu gdje sam apsolutno dopada - imam prijatelje u Kevelaer-u i Wesel-u, tako da mi je taj ćošak dosta poznat.

Heidelberg je posebna priča, pošto sam tu studirao - a Berlin i Muenchen su za posjetu na dva-tri dana okay ... ali nebih zelio tamo duže boraviti nego potrebno.

Uz to sam se navikao na ovaj

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll8l00pTFZ1qjaholo1_500.jpg


:cheers:

Meni je Alt bez veze, bolje Kölsch :cheers::cheers::cheers:

Boze dragi, taj gradic je tolko depresivan i dosadan da nisam vjerovao da se radi o njemacku. To tamo vise lici na Nizozemsku ili Belgiju. Naravno svak ima svoj ukus ali ja cu se upravo sada zahvaliti bogu kaj zivim na jugu drzave-ma nema do Baden-a :D
Ipak je to drugi svijet tam gore-stvarno izgleda puno depresivnije nego tu gdje ja zivim.

@Esseker
naravno se radi i o mentaliteti tog naroda : njemcima je posao bog i batina u zivotu, cesto vaznije od recimo prijatelje, familje itd. A na tom principu im funkcionira cijela drzava. Rijekto bus naso neku drzavu koja bi bila u stanju se ovak dic nakon izgubljenog svijetskog rata.

Jako bezdušno... iskreno me glava zabolila gledajući te slike... I vidim jako JAKO vole betonske kockice :D

Sve je to čisto i uredno... ali, nebi me iznenadilo da ima visoku stopu samoubojstava od dosade :D