how do you forecast the future for iran. lets say this time next year. whats going to happen with all these sanctions. toman reached £3 today:bash: and they have not even sanctioned its oil yet:nuts:

what ever happens, people of iran are the first to suffer.:ohno:

BTW guys please dont insult each other.stay on topic and respect each others views.

I can't say it's bright but it's not really dark either, either the U.S (or should i say the West) will start a war against Iran and throw out the regime if some neo-conservative president candidate wins, or the sanctions will get removed if Ron Paul wins.

So we just have to be patient i guess... still i'm getting worried about the value of the toman, £3? :ohno:

^^ the west wouldnt throw away this regime imo
i would hate that anyway

removing this regime is something iranians need to do by themselves

however, for the next year, i really dont know

how the people and system would cope with these dark times
from friends in iran i hear that people are really hopeless, and there is 0 activity goimg on (buying selling etc) and that that small amount of significance iran had in the world has been eliminated

Would it be correct to say Iranians are lazy or that they are not fighters, but just complainers? From what I gather they like to moan about their problems all the time, but when it comes down to actions and trying to change their own destiny then they are not willing to even lift a finger. I think most Iranians hate the regime but they haven't got the drive to actually make a change in the country. And even if they do summon up the willpower to make a change, I don't think the society is united enough to make it work properly, and would probably lead to dictatorship and bad governance again. I do really believe that much of the Iranian mentality, behaviour and culture does pave the way for dictatorship - I mean hasn't that been the history of Iran for centuries, just one tyrannical dictator after the other?

not many centuries, but certainly the past 250 -300 years

iranians are fairly lazy, it seems, and we are very selfish, we dont care about iran as a whole but rather only ourselves and our own families, this is exactly what the regime wants, they have hit the spot, they have created a ill-desired and rather un-drived people with no hope, nobody is willing to sacrifice anything, wonderful for the mullahs to prey on

however we are (most of us atleast) on the other side of the world and act all passionate but we cant really talk because we are not in the actual situation

however, iranians have managed to disprove such claims by certain sudden gestures , the 1979 revolution, even if it lead to misery (it was promised to be for the better) showed that iranians could be together and unite for a cause, or even in the massive protests of the early 1950s and the constitutional revolution, or resisting the arabs domination for hundreds of years, and even weakening the late sassanid tyranny

again, they seem lazy , sometimes they are like an army, the next moment they sit at home eating tokhmeh and just swearing at the regime,


issue is, we are an unpredictable people, just like our football team, just like our attitudes, our driving etc,

we cant sum anything up

Well from what I hear from sources in Iran, most people's financial situation has got terribly worse over the past months, so the sanctions definitely have had an effect on the majority.
On the other hand, most of the regime's supporters are from the lower income community. So my only hope is that they start waking up and do something to change their future for the better.

The way i see it the current tough times are a temporary problem, with the government keeping self sufficiency as a necessity and the 15 year economic goal being implemented Iran has a bright future. Our economy has been continously growing in the past 30 years despite the sanctions as well as managed to remain independant and blocked western efforts to destabilise our country since the revolution.

I have a horrible feeling the west is trying to do what happened to Argentina 15 years ago. Complete collapse of a once strong economy. You know in the 1920's Buenos Aires built the only other Harrod's store after London, now look at it. My point being the government has enough to keep the people from losing their paitence for a long while yet. So for the moment the economy is terrible my company is thinking of ways to diversify abroad and I would suggest that any canny businessman in Iran who has the where withall to become labor extensive should be able to survive this trouble.

Would it be correct to say Iranians are lazy or that they are not fighters, but just complainers? From what I gather they like to moan about their problems all the time, but when it comes down to actions and trying to change their own destiny then they are not willing to even lift a finger. I think most Iranians hate the regime but they haven't got the drive to actually make a change in the country. And even if they do summon up the willpower to make a change, I don't think the society is united enough to make it work properly, and would probably lead to dictatorship and bad governance again. I do really believe that much of the Iranian mentality, behaviour and culture does pave the way for dictatorship - I mean hasn't that been the history of Iran for centuries, just one tyrannical dictator after the other?
You are spot on! I always laugh when Iranians tell me they are nationalist, heh - really bad joke, eh? Iranians don't even have it bad, yet they never stop complaining.. Maybe that explains why we always have had authoritarian regimes, just to shut us up! :)

The truth is, a war/uprising will occur soon. I hope for an uprising as that will have a much better outcome. We'll see what happens around March/April/Summer time this year. Hopefully there will be total change and a start to as good as relations can get between 'the west' and Iran considering what they have done to Iran in these decades.

^^ war no, america cant attack iran, iran's situation is very different than iraq's or other places, america's benefits in iran wont allow america to attack iran, not by military atl east

however, i kind of take my word back regarding iranians being lazy and the comparison to syrians and other arab nations

what is happening in the arab world today, is like what happened to iran 30 years, ago, they are revolting and seem all united but that is while they dont know who is really running the undercurrents, its fair to say that the west is behind many of these movements and is what gives them a more united and organized appeal. syria and the rest of the arab nations are starting the cause trouble especially on demands regarding nuclear energy etc

america cant afford that, so they cripple the nation using its own people, assad is horrible but surely these long term revolts and uprisings only make them move closer to the possibilty of a worse government that will destroy even the things that they have today, similar to iran in the 1970s

however, iran's situation with america is different, america has alot of benefits from having a good tie with iran, if they attack iran, alot of america's benefits from iran would be lost, remember, you have to look at the situation from a long term perspective

aside from that, iran's society is very different in many terms than the syrians, dont forget that irans uprisings were spontaneous self set events, not really organized

funny to see that all the arab nations have started uprising in these 1-2 years that the situation between iran and usa has gotten very bad

its all a planned routine


anyway, bebinim chi mishe

I think that the future of Iran is very bright. It might take a decade or two, but Iran will get there. :)

Western democracy system is not absolute good
As now, it still crash along with the capitalist
The democratic system will require continuous refinement of several hundred years.:lol::lol::lol:

If the USA or Israel to wage war.
Some of countries economy will collapse and
World's economy even worse.
Part of the reason from the oil price and panic.

I think that the war does not happen in a long time,
Because the risks outweighed the benefits.
Permanent peace to need more friends or the nuclear :nuts:


(My English is not good enough :nuts:)

Hi Guys,

I am Israeli and I honestly think that the future of Iran is very bright (this assumes that the Islamic regime will be replaced). As I see it Iran has a number of tremendous advantages:

1) Natural Resources
2) Central Geographic Location...well-positioned as a transport hub for global trade
3) Huge territory which receives tons of sunlight--> Iran could perhaps meet its energy needs just from solar and even be a net export of solar-produced energy
4) Young, talented, well-educated work force --> perfect for creating a knowledge-based economy similar to Israel's
5) Massive tourist potential...from all the ancient and amazing historical sites to the thousands of kilometers of coastline along the Persian Gulf/Indian Ocean (would be a great location for tourist resorts)

I tell this to my Iranian friends, if I had sufficient means to invest in property in Iran, I would do so. I would take this chance.

is that a joke? -_-
lol he is being sarcastic
Hi Guys,

I am Israeli and I honestly think that the future of Iran is very bright (this assumes that the Islamic regime will be replaced). As I see it Iran has a number of tremendous advantages:

1) Natural Resources
2) Central Geographic Location...well-positioned as a transport hub for global trade
3) Huge territory which receives tons of sunlight--> Iran could perhaps meet its energy needs just from solar and even be a net export of solar-produced energy
4) Young, talented, well-educated work force --> perfect for creating a knowledge-based economy similar to Israel's
5) Massive tourist potential...from all the ancient and amazing historical sites to the thousands of kilometers of coastline along the Persian Gulf/Indian Ocean (would be a great location for tourist resorts)

I tell this to my Iranian friends, if I had sufficient means to invest in property in Iran, I would do so. I would take this chance.

hopefully :cheers:

NO more ethnic discussions. Purearch72 has also been given an infraction notice.

Hi Guys,

I am Israeli and I honestly think that the future of Iran is very bright (this assumes that the Islamic regime will be replaced).


I believe the future of Iran will also be bright,yes, a bright future with the Islamic Republic in place. No country would have a bright future when their central bank becomes a slave of the Rothchilds.

I believe the future of Iran will also be bright,yes, a bright future with the Islamic Republic in place. No country would have a bright future when their central bank becomes a slave of the Rothchilds.
:nuts:

I believe the future of Iran will also be bright,yes, a bright future with the Islamic Republic in place. No country would have a bright future when their central bank becomes a slave of the Rothchilds.

lmffao :nuts:

I could say the same to you guys. Thankfully i realise brainwashed people to that BS they call "western democracy" are lost causes and there is no point reasoning with them. Its a good thing the ruling majority in Iran don't think with their genitals.


Peace.

Interesting KalePache.

I could say the same to you guys. Thankfully i realise brainwashed people to that BS they call "western democracy" are lost causes and there is no point reasoning with them. Its a good thing the ruling majority in Iran don't think with their genitals.

Peace.

nobody asked for a western democracy
why is it that some people only see 2 things, islamic regime or america's slave

we shouldnt be any, we are iran, and we will have our OWN democracy

I could say the same to you guys. Thankfully i realise brainwashed people to that BS they call "western democracy" are lost causes and there is no point reasoning with them. Its a good thing the ruling majority in Iran don't think with their genitals.


Peace.
I can tell you support the clerics and their regime, I respect that, I mean it, but please respect other opinions aswell if they don't agree with your thoughts.

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.

no
if america comes, they will replace this dictatorial regime with another, like they (west) have for the past decades

and this regime is not like mubarak or anything, its a semi nation of its own, and what we saw in iraq was horrible, all the damage, death, killing etc who would want that

iranians would fight back regardless of the regime
another thing is that iranians want to make changes from the roots, slow , renaissance like change, not some over night magic, and most importantly on their own, thats probably the most important factor,
real progress wont ever be made unless its from within
not to mentionnmany people in iran are quite conspiracy-like, and believe the regime itself is ultimately a western installment to destroy the stability of iran and the region (culturally, economically, politically etc) , which i agree too for a large part, although, its grown out of the wests own hands, so iranians , for the larger part, dont like the west or east or islamic regime or anybody else to interfere with our country, infact, america really wont attack , not this regime, why would they? its doing them fine, and all the political hype is a game to mess around with us and cover what really happens behind the curtains
iran is stuck between two evils, the west and the islamic regime, anything from both is not welcomed
we have had a very long democratic struggle spanning over 1.5 centuries from the 1800s, we dont want anybody to put more obstacles in our way

and the kurds, i can tell u the majority of iranian kurds dont even think about separation or anything, they see themselves as iranian,
iraqi kurds and turkish kurds are a different story

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.
The thing with Iran is that every nationality, be it Kurdish/persian/Azari, sees Iran as his or hers and any conflict is usually over who controls the nation. It's never about outright division. Plus, whereever kurds live, they're outnumbered by Azaris so they can't duplicate Iraqi Kurdistan in Iran as they're not even the majority in those lands. Plus, 4/7 million kurds are shias and for the most part they're persianized.

Also, Iranians will never welcome invaders, no matter what their beliefs or class are. Americans have also never talked about invasion in the past 32 years, just an aerial attack, and even that's extremely unlikely.

They will continue the sanctions and as we're seeing, the sanctions are breaking the back of the regime. What happens as a result of these sanctions is up for debate.

Edit: to answer your question better, Iranians see the regime and the West as both evil and anti-Iranian entities. The regime is trying to impose arabic culture and morality and the West is trying to impose its will. In reality Iranians want neither.

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.

Well nobody can talk on behalf of every Iranian because they have different opinions. But I have seen many people in Iran who see a western attack as the only way to get rid of this regime and thus they support it. And whoever thinks a democracy can be achieved from within this regime is only kidding themselves.

Well nobody can talk on behalf of every Iranian because they have different opinions. But I have seen many people in Iran who see a western attack as the only way to get rid of this regime and thus they support it. And whoever thinks a democracy can be achieved from within this regime is only kidding themselves.

not within the regime
by withing we mean internal changes made by force by the people

if the west loved iran so much they already would of "given" us "democracy" in the past 200 years

Thanks for answers. I actually have know many Iranians. Some of them are pro-government. And some anti-government. Most of them dislike both the shah and the current government. surprisingly the Arab Iranians (ahwazis) prefer to say that they are Iranian although they are closer to being Iraqi (I as an Iraqi can't even tell the difference between ahwazis and southern Iraqis)

Any rough estimates as to what percentage of Iranian would cooperate?. (With less bias as possible)

For iraq's case, most Iraqis abandoned the idea of fighting. Most Iraqis wanted to get rid of Saddam by any means necessary. Iraq was literally stuck in the stone ages, no development, no freedom, poverty, basically everyone was just worrying about staying alive and not starving or getting arrested. Besides it was a loosing war for the Iraqis. (the more resistance, the more our cities get bombed to the stone ages)

percentage wise, i have no idea lol

btw where have u met the pro-government iranians ?

percentage wise, i have no idea lol

btw where have u met the pro-government iranians ?

Iv met a few here in Canada. Most of them students who are here to study. Two of them said they support the government. But I'm not sure that everyone that comes from Iran are pro government. I also met many engineers who work both here and Iran (they travel to Iran occasionally). I'm not exactly sure if everyone who goes back to Iran is pro-government though. Many of the Iranians here are quite liberal.

I'm not sure how the system in Iran works, do they imprison everyone who is anti-government? That's the way it was in iraq during saddams time (all political allies and their supporters are either killed or imprisoned), don't know about Iran today but I'm guessing its not nearly as bad as saddam's dictatorship.

Iv met a few here in Canada. Most of them students who are here to study. Two of them said they support the government. But I'm not sure that everyone that comes from Iran are pro government. I also met many engineers who work both here and Iran (they travel to Iran occasionally). I'm not exactly sure if everyone who goes back to Iran is pro-government though. Many of the Iranians here are quite liberal.

I'm not sure how the system in Iran works, do they imprison everyone who is anti-government? That's the way it was in iraq during saddams time (all political allies and their supporters are either killed or imprisoned), don't know about Iran today but I'm guessing its not nearly as bad as saddam's dictatorship.

any anti government movement or people are arrested detaoned and either torchured or hanged etc
saddam was 1 guy
imagine a whole system of saddams but WİTH sharia, whi cover all their dirsty work witg islamic excuses
very unfair, sharia itself is bad enough, but these guys twist it even more
and the corruption and inequality ..... then they try to brainwash with islam
its like medieval europe in modern times lol
if u oppose the government its like u oppose god, so, u die
these guys have drilled to the bare bones of society

anyway

almost all iranians abroad are anti gvrnment
and i think the majority inside iran are too
not sure
personal observation

and dont listen to the people in canada that say the support the dictatorship
if they do , then WTF are they doing in canada? their words are just some lala land utopian imagery of an islamic republic but realistically they come out of iran themselves because they know its not the place to live
some return
and the few that do , usually go because they have a good job or they want to feed off the unlawfullnes in iran or they haveinvestments and personal business, or some just like it, but that doesnt mean they support the regime
i have met many of them, they have jobs or invesyments in iran but that has nothing to do with supporting the regime
i for example have plans on returning to work in iran as a doctor for a while, then come back and forth, not to mention almost all iranians return back for trips and visits in the summers (ie party time lol)
one of my friends is very religious (one of the 1% religious iranian diaspora) and he says he supports khomeini and and islamic gvrnment, but then, why on earth does he live in a secular country? because he deep down knows that the islamic regime is screwed up and his actions go against the regime, he has just been told that islam is #1 and secularism is bad and khomeini is good , from the same people that preach in a secular society, and he himselves lives in one

a paradox

Please, stop the bomb iran! The world want PEACE!

Please, stop the bomb iran! The world want PEACE!


Iran has no bomb and has no plan to build a bomb. Use google; search list of countries having atomic bombs and try to educate yourself.

We Iranian have 7000 years of history and continuous civilization. 2500 years ago we wrote the most important human achievement in all history "THE HUMAN RIGHT". It makes me so sad when I see ignorant people who were hanging trees for all history coming and call us non-peaceful? I don't care what your ignorant stupid media broadcast for you, stop writing hate speeches in all pages.

Who the hell cares if Iran gets a nuclear bomb. No one has the right to object, and in fact I would be glad if Iran made a thousand n-bombs just to shut all the whiny bitchy critics up. I hate the IR as much as the next guy, but I can't stand the hypocrisy from the rest of the world.

Please, stop the bomb iran! The world want PEACE!
piss off troll

Iran has no bomb and has no plan to build a bomb. Use google; search list of countries having atomic bombs and try to educate yourself.

We Iranian have 7000 years of history and continuous civilization. 2500 years ago we wrote the most important human achievement in all history "THE HUMAN RIGHT". It makes me so sad when I see ignorant people who were hanging trees for all history coming and call us non-peaceful? I don't care what your ignorant stupid media broadcast for you, stop writing hate speeches in all pages.
Man that aint how you talk to a braindead fool like him. His mind doesn't operate the same as me and yours. What you wrote means nothing to him. These type of people are modern day "KKK" types. Their racism and hate might not be based on colour, but it's racism and hate regardless. Trying to talk to them is pointless b/c they've made up their mind that they hate you. Every reason they use for hating you is a figment of their imagination based on the stuff they pick up in the media. Imagine it's the 20th century and a black guy is trying to explain to a bunch of KKK members that just b/c he's black, it doesn't mean he's from a different human specie etc...

Don't waste your time on these types.

"the world wants peace"

telling this to a country that hasn't attacked another nation in 3-4 centuries! :lol:

There is no doubt that the regime is building nuclear weapons, hopefully they will be stopped before that happening.

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.

:applause:

Iran has no bomb and has no plan to build a bomb. Use google; search list of countries having atomic bombs and try to educate yourself.

We Iranian have 7000 years of history and continuous civilization. 2500 years ago we wrote the most important human achievement in all history "THE HUMAN RIGHT". It makes me so sad when I see ignorant people who were hanging trees for all history coming and call us non-peaceful? I don't care what your ignorant stupid media broadcast for you, stop writing hate speeches in all pages.

Hellooooooo, who sad that iranians were stupids or something like that? But you definetly are.
I am Brazilian, and if you DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OUR CULTURE PLEASE SHUT THE F UP, OK?
"continuous civilization" :nuts::lol: I love the Persian culture, the true one, not that copy of arab muslim fundamentalists countries that is now Iran.

Who the hell cares if Iran gets a nuclear bomb. No one has the right to object, and in fact I would be glad if Iran made a thousand n-bombs just to shut all the whiny bitchy critics up. I hate the IR as much as the next guy, but I can't stand the hypocrisy from the rest of the world.
:nuts:

Man that aint how you talk to a braindead fool like him. His mind doesn't operate the same as me and yours. What you wrote means nothing to him. These type of people are modern day "KKK" types. Their racism and hate might not be based on colour, but it's racism and hate regardless. Trying to talk to them is pointless b/c they've made up their mind that they hate you. Every reason they use for hating you is a figment of their imagination based on the stuff they pick up in the media. Imagine it's the 20th century and a black guy is trying to explain to a bunch of KKK members that just b/c he's black, it doesn't mean he's from a different human specie etc...
SORRY, I AM NOT AMERICAN, I AM BRAZILIAN, USE THAT LOW ARGUMENT WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I DONT EVEN HATE YOU, I just despise you

"the world wants peace" Yes, but unfortunately some people dont

telling this to a country that hasn't attacked another nation in 3-4 centuries!
SORRY FOR BEING A PEACEFUL COUNTRY, I CAN SEE YOU ADMIRE THE WARRIOR ONE

Tchau para vocês ;)

Hellooooooo, who sad that iranians were stupids or something like that? But you definetly are.
I am Brazilian, and if you DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OUR CULTURE PLEASE SHUT THE F UP, OK?
"continuous civilization" :nuts::lol: I love the Persian culture, the true one, not that copy of arab muslim fundamentalists countries that is now Iran.


I don't mean, Brazillian culture, do not try to change the topic. I have visited Mexico city, have lots of Latino and hispanic friends in USA and you can not tell me that I don't know about Latin American cultures.

However, I can blame my Latino American friends because of they don't want to alive their own rich culture, heritages and language. Most of them now speak a language that doesnot belong to them, in your case Portugease and are so proud of the religion which was made/developed in Middle eat and Europe (Christianity) and forget their own heritages while they were one of the founders of the greatest civilization (Maya and so on..).

I still believe some body who comes and troll again Iranian civilian (You, here on SSC) is an ignorant.


BTW, there is no connection between us and the arab world. We never accepted arab culture and language. Yes in last 33 years we got Islamic government, but it's already died and is just waiting people kick it ass out of country.

just a quick note
many brazlians and latin americans have european blood, or are mixed, and the culture they have is fully enfused amongst them, they are part of it

there are millions of brazlians with full european blood, they arent homogenous

and argentina/uraguay etc are almost 100% european

Man that aint how you talk to a braindead fool like him. His mind doesn't operate the same as me and yours. What you wrote means nothing to him. These type of people are modern day "KKK" types. Their racism and hate might not be based on colour, but it's racism and hate regardless. Trying to talk to them is pointless b/c they've made up their mind that they hate you. Every reason they use for hating you is a figment of their imagination based on the stuff they pick up in the media. Imagine it's the 20th century and a black guy is trying to explain to a bunch of KKK members that just b/c he's black, it doesn't mean he's from a different human specie etc...
SORRY, I AM NOT AMERICAN, I AM BRAZILIAN, USE THAT LOW ARGUMENT WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I DONT EVEN HATE YOU, I just despise you

"the world wants peace" Yes, but unfortunately some people dont

telling this to a country that hasn't attacked another nation in 3-4 centuries!
SORRY FOR BEING A PEACEFUL COUNTRY, I CAN SEE YOU ADMIRE THE WARRIOR ONE

Tchau para vocês ;)

Nobody gives a sh!t what you think, what you want and where you're from. You're just another ignoramus tool who makes pronouncements about things he knows very little about. Respect, security and peace are two way streets. You won't get none from Iran in return, if you don't think you have to give any.

Now like other Iranians already told you piss off troll!

Koone laghet ;)

We should distinguish two things: Iran and IRI, unlike biased Islamists, the Iranian people are really among the most tolerant people in the world, for thousands years Persians, Turks, Arabs, Armenians, Jews, Kurds, ... with different cultures and religions have lived beside each other in this country peacefully, but unfortunately nationalist or religious bigotry of some people have always made some problems for us, I believe Iran with a real democratic regime can be among the most respectable countries in the world.

just a quick note
many brazlians and latin americans have european blood, or are mixed, and the culture they have is fully enfused amongst them, they are part of it

there are millions of brazlians with full european blood, they arent homogenous

and argentina/uraguay etc are almost 100% european


Yeah, I know about. This is why they called Hispanic. But true Argentinian are 100% Europeans. I am not against European culture as much as I am not against arab culture. It's very normal in this world many countries get invaded, for instance when China got invaded by Mongilian it took them 270 yeras to get back the Beijing city from them and again brought Chinease culture. We Iranians, we speak the same language as 1000 years ago like what you see in unesco cultural world heritage the Shahnameh, in fact our language reached a perfect development from more than 1000 years ago.

I don't like when the countries who have been invaded and adopted the culture of that country, now blame us why do you have an islamic government which is from another culture.

I also believe Iran must clarify its nuclear program and prove to the world that its peaceful. But I don't like when so many countries exploded atomic bombs, still have atomic bombs and are not a member of NPT telling Iranian non-peaceful while fucking Islamic republic has no bomb.

Well, lets stop about talking about troll guy and back to TOPIC ;-)

The undeniable fact is that Iran is already the most active state sponsor of terrorism in the world, a knife in the hand of a terrorist is very dangerous because this brainwashed person can cut one's head enjoyfully, it is better to not even think about the nuclear weapons.

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.

I don't know through what twisted logic you arrive at the conclusion that you do, or about the relevance of the fraudulent 09 elections to Iran's inherent national interests and the regional realpolitik. But I draw the line at foreign interference.

Iranians are entitled to their own experience and to make their own share of mistakes, learn their lessons and evolve as a result. In fact, much of what we suffer from today, is due to the stunted evolutionary cycle, caused by the numerous foreign interventions, and the resulting social backwardness and the political immaturity of the masses. We have to develop a culture where we take responsibility for all facets of our lives and not use outsiders to resolve our internal conflicts or settle scores, when events don't go our way.

From Ahmad shah qajar, to General Zahedi and Shaboon bi mokh, to today's MKO, we have suffered much from traitors who who have argued the end justifies the means. As an Iranian I would have no problem with the current Iranian government subjecting collaborators with foreign powers to the ultimate punishment.

Every country seeks its own interests, it is clear that a foreign invasion won't be to save us, as usual in Iran, I talked about bad and worse, a nuclear-armed IRI is not only dangerous for Iranians but almost all other peoples of the world, in this situation an upcoming war can be unavoidable, so if I can't stop the current regime of Iran then I will never support it under the assumption of defending my country.

Every country seeks its own interests, it is clear that a foreign invasion won't be to save us, as usual in Iran, I talked about bad and worse, a nuclear-armed IRI is not only dangerous for Iranians but almost all other peoples of the world, in this situation an upcoming war can be unavoidable, so if I can't stop the current regime of Iran then I will never support it under the assumption of defending my country.

So on the one hand you agree that foreign powers seek and care for their own interests, but on the other you prefer them to an Iranian one? Do you see the dissonance in your own logic. Or perhaps you're viewing this from a foreigner's perspective, in which case your point is good and valid and you won't get an argument from me!

And how is an Iranian government with nuclear weapons more of a danger to the Iranian people than it already is? Are you delusional enough to believe that the government of Iran will use nuclear weapons inside the country? And how is a nuclear Iran more of a danger to the rest of the world than the already existing ones, including one that believes they are literally the chosen people of god?

And you don't have to agree with anything the Iranian government says or does. But if you betray Iran or collaborate with foreign powers for the sake of whatever half-baked ideas you may have, like you mentioned previously, then you are a traitor and should be treated as such.

So on the one hand you agree that foreign powers seek and care for their own interests, but on the other you prefer them to an Iranian one? Do you see the dissonance in your own logic. Or perhaps you're viewing this from a foreigner's perspective, in which case your point is good and valid and you won't get an argument from me!

And how is an Iranian government with nuclear weapons more of a danger to the Iranian people than it already is? Are you delusional enough to believe that the government of Iran will use nuclear weapons inside the country? And how is a nuclear Iran more of a danger to the rest of the world than the already existing ones, including one that believes they are literally the chosen people of god?

And you don't have to agree with anything the Iranian government says or does. But if you betray Iran or collaborate with foreign powers for the sake of whatever half-baked ideas you may have, like you mentioned previously, then you are a traitor and should be treated as such.

Using or not using is one thing and having or not having is another thing, we say a mad man shouldn't have a gun, it is another thing that he will use it to kill his own family or other people.

I talked about 2009 elections because I saw from near how these mad people attacked their own people brutality, some days ago I asked my friends why no one complains about this disastrous economic situation in Iran and they replied no one dares to do it against this savage regime!

You can't call most of Iraqis and Afghans traitors because they didn't support Saddam and Taliban, the same thing can be said about Libyans and Gaddafi, and in the near future about Syrians and Assad, people who don't support an absolute dictator are not traitors.

Using or not using is one thing and having or not having is another thing, we say a mad man shouldn't have a gun, it is another thing that he will use it to kill his own family or other people.

I talked about 2009 elections because I saw from near how these mad people attacked their own people brutality, some days ago I asked my friends why no one complains about this disastrous economic situation in Iran and they replied no one dares to do it against this savage regime!

You can't call most of Iraqis and Afghans traitors because they didn't support Saddam and Taliban, the same thing can be said about Libyans and Gaddafi, and in the near future about Syrians and Assad, people who don't support an absolute dictator are not traitors.
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1 - YOU REALLY DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BRAZIL. FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE NOT HISPANICS, YOU REALLY NEED TO STUDY.
2- Maya culture has NOTHING TO DO with BRAZIL. As a matter of fact, the Maya sites are so close to Brazil as Denmark to Iran.
3- "True" Argentinians? That's racism.

I dont have nothing against you but your ideas.

There is no doubt that the regime is building nuclear weapons, hopefully they will be stopped before that happening.
You have no doubt or there IS no doubt? Who made you the decision maker my friend?

Even the top advisors in the US administration don't believe that Khamenei has made the decision and at the most they're after nuclear weapon's capability. Most recently Iran converted half of its 20% enriched uranium to oxide form and this will totally put a dent in any weaponization that you're saying Iran is persuing. Once you convert it it's easier to make a new batch than to convert it back. The Americans even acknowledged that this was a good step by Iran.

Even the biggest of the zionists clearly states that Iran isn't after nukes. Dr. Colin H. Kahl from the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) states clearly in this interview that Khamenei hasn't made the decision. This guy worked for the Obama administration and was an advisor to him prior to joining CNAS.

http://www.stimson.org/events/understanding-iranian-public-opinion/

Don't be so extreme just to show you're against the regime. I'm against the regime too, but we're not in Iran and in the end Iranian people will decide what will happen.

Every poll conducted in the last decade has consistently shown that 90% of Iranians support the nuclear issue.

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/25/irans_nuclear_resistance

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.

Spoken like a true exile. I'm an "exile" myself so I know you. We all talk like this from time to time. By exile I mean we've lived so long outside Iran that we can't live back home anymore no matter how many times we visit and no matter how many times we stick the farvahar sign on our chest. Correct me if I'm wrong (if you're currently living in Iran), but seems not.

There are two clear trends in Iran. 90 percent of Iranians support the nuclear program (this is an established fact and you're gonna have to conduct your own polls in order to be able to talk against this). Out of that number a very big minority believes Iran should persue weapons. Now the most interesting part of all this is that the more educated you're, the more access you have to Sat TV and the internet, the more likely it's that you're in favour of a bomb. The more religous you're and the poorer you're the more likely it's that you're going to oppose a weapons program and support the official line of the regime. Watch this video for more information:

www.stimson.org/events/understanding-iranian-public-opinion/

P.S. I didn't make this stuff up. These are based on 22 polls conducted in Iran in the past few years alone. The last of the bunch is from 3-4 weeks ago.

The undeniable fact is that Iran is already the most active state sponsor of terrorism in the world, a knife in the hand of a terrorist is very dangerous because this brainwashed person can cut one's head enjoyfully, it is better to not even think about the nuclear weapons.
Is this guy for real? :lol:

Extremism is a danger to logical thinking, here's a good case.

I'm a logical guy. If I see evidence, I accept the reality and move on. The evidence is showing that Iran is not spending even a percent of the money the Americans are spending on groups that serve to de-stabilize foreign governments. The Americans have funded every terrorist organization that has served their purpose and are continuing to do so. Just a few weeks ago they took the MKO off of their list. I'm sure you're not a mujahed are you? IF you aren't then you're not a logical human being b/c if you were you wouldn't come up with all the stuff you said.

Iran supports Hezbollah, Iran has supported Hamas, Iran has supported fringe elements in Iraq and AFG and they try to exert some ingfluence here and there as well. This to the Americans is child's play. Americans have funded and are funding fringe groups and terrorist groups in every single continent on the planet. From China, to Iran, Venezuela, cuba, Russia, Iraq... I can go on and on. The most famous example was the creation of the taliban back in the 80's.

I came to the West as a 12 year that wanted to fit in more than anything in the world. I understand what it means to be a foreigner growing up in the West. I however don't understand why some of us ex pat Iroonis try to stick to the most extreme elements of the societies that have adopted us in order to prove our alliance. I don't need to become an extremist to show that I'm a Canadian. I don't understand why you're becoming an extremist to prove you're loyal to your new country.

You have no doubt or there IS no doubt? Who made you the decision maker my friend?

Even the top advisors in the US administration don't believe that Khamenei has made the decision and at the most they're after nuclear weapon's capability. Most recently Iran converted half of its 20% enriched uranium to oxide form and this will totally put a dent in any weaponization that you're saying Iran is persuing. Once you convert it it's easier to make a new batch than to convert it back. The Americans even acknowledged that this was a good step by Iran.

Even the biggest of the zionists clearly states that Iran isn't after nukes. Dr. Colin H. Kahl from the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) states clearly in this interview that Khamenei hasn't made the decision. This guy worked for the Obama administration and was an advisor to him prior to joining CNAS.

http://www.stimson.org/events/understanding-iranian-public-opinion/

Don't be so extreme just to show you're against the regime. I'm against the regime too, but we're not in Iran and in the end Iranian people will decide what will happen.

Every poll conducted in the last decade has consistently shown that 90% of Iranians support the nuclear issue.

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/25/irans_nuclear_resistance

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Nice! that's how to answer an idiot. With facts.

I don't know what's wrong with Cyrus. He is as brainwashed and in denial as every neo-con warmonger in the West. abii has a point...Cyrus has gone off the deep-end and seems lost as an Iranian. There is NO evidence Iran is building or even has the intention of building a nuclear weapon. And as I stated earlier, no country has the right to tell another sovereign nation what to do. 'IF' Iran decided to build nuclear weapons, America, Israel, and even Cyrus, will have to bite the bullet and accept this fact.

But, this most likely won't happen. This imagined threat of a nuclear armed Iran, with the finger on the trigger, is completely hocus-pocus, made up by warmongers with self-interest in mind. Even Israel's chief of defense, Benny Gantz, admits Iran's leaders are rational players with no intention of building nuclear weapons, AND even more important, no intent to use one.

I believe the best answer is International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), why we refer to some stupid american, european or arabs aljezaeera and alarabia. or even akhonds TV.

If we look to International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) documents it is much more clear than western propaganda.

You have no doubt or there IS no doubt? Who made you the decision maker my friend?

Even the top advisors in the US administration don't believe that Khamenei has made the decision and at the most they're after nuclear weapon's capability. Most recently Iran converted half of its 20% enriched uranium to oxide form and this will totally put a dent in any weaponization that you're saying Iran is persuing. Once you convert it it's easier to make a new batch than to convert it back. The Americans even acknowledged that this was a good step by Iran.

Even the biggest of the zionists clearly states that Iran isn't after nukes. Dr. Colin H. Kahl from the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) states clearly in this interview that Khamenei hasn't made the decision. This guy worked for the Obama administration and was an advisor to him prior to joining CNAS.

http://www.stimson.org/events/understanding-iranian-public-opinion/

Don't be so extreme just to show you're against the regime. I'm against the regime too, but we're not in Iran and in the end Iranian people will decide what will happen.

Every poll conducted in the last decade has consistently shown that 90% of Iranians support the nuclear issue.

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/25/irans_nuclear_resistance

It is better to be quiet if you don't live in Iran, no one here support the nuclear issue, of course it could be different in the last year, in fact this thing really didn't matter for many, but after the sanctions and in the current economic disaster, there are just some idiots who wish to destroy Israel, support this thing.

Of course I don't expect that you understand these things, people here are selling their kidney for food, numerous people have lost their work, most of companies and factories have gone bankrupt or closed down, all things are at least four times more expensive than the last year, for what? For making some medical isotopes for research? No, we are not silly!

And as I stated earlier, no country has the right to tell another sovereign nation what to do. 'IF' Iran decided to build nuclear weapons, America, Israel, and even Cyrus, will have to bite the bullet and accept this fact.


Sorry but this is wrong, iran has signed the NPT promising it won't. So if it were to do so it would have to pull out of the treaty. If iran pulls out of the treaty then if you think things are bad now, wait till you see what they do then.

Anyway, Nuclear weapons are AGAINST the interests of iran. Not just because of the pressure but because geo-strategically it will completely ruin the advantage we have now. The advantage of being such a large country compared to the other countries in the region. As soon as nuclear weapons come into the picture, then thats gone. Our size is no longer relevant. (i'll give one example, if iran gets nuclear weapons and then somehow UAE gets nuclear weapons then suddenly UAE and Iran have nullified each other, iran no longer has a size advantage over UAE that we have now)

Also, nuclear weapons do not increase security, they decrease it. Look at the mess pakistan is. And when has nuclear weapons ever helped israel? they still get rockets thrown on them every now and then.

So hopefully whoever is running iran isn't so stupid to make that decision. So far it looks like they haven't.

Using or not using is one thing and having or not having is another thing, we say a mad man shouldn't have a gun, it is another thing that he will use it to kill his own family or other people.

I talked about 2009 elections because I saw from near how these mad people attacked their own people brutality, some days ago I asked my friends why no one complains about this disastrous economic situation in Iran and they replied no one dares to do it against this savage regime!

You can't call most of Iraqis and Afghans traitors because they didn't support Saddam and Taliban, the same thing can be said about Libyans and Gaddafi, and in the near future about Syrians and Assad, people who don't support an absolute dictator are not traitors.

Did you come to the realization that the Islamic government is backward and brutal just now? I had the opportunity to learn that first hand when my father was psychologically and physically abused for 3 years in the late 80s, simply for knowing some people who knew some people. He was never quite the same after that. I'm sorry, but you're teaching us anything new here. What's your point?

In my personal opinion, the current regime is retrograde, brutal and at times murderous. But I know for a fact that a good number of Iranians don't share that view. So what are we to do with each other? Kill and be killed until one side vanquishes the other? And how different would that be from our current situation? There are no easy solutions. This is going to be a long and painful process, through which the Iranian nation will experiment with different ideas, and somewhere along the way form a consensus on many fundamental and difficult to deal with issues.

This is a struggle for the future of Iran and the lives of Iranians. Therefore it must be carried out by Iranians. If anybody chooses to resort to outside players in order to change the outcome to what they see fit, they are a traitor to that struggle, to Iran and to Iranians, and they should be treated as such.

And please don't use Iraq and Libya as examples. There's a reason why they're in the shape they are.

Did you come to the realization that the Islamic government is backward and brutal just now? I had the opportunity to learn that first hand when my father was psychologically and physically abused for 3 years in the late 80s, simply for knowing some people who knew some people. He was never quite the same after that. I'm sorry, but you're teaching us anything new here. What's your point?

In my personal opinion, the current regime is retrograde, brutal and at times murderous. But I know for a fact that a good number of Iranians don't share that view. So what are we to do with each other? Kill and be killed until one side vanquishes the other? And how different would that be from our current situation? There are no easy solutions. This is going to be a long and painful process, through which the Iranian nation will experiment with different ideas, and somewhere along the way form a consensus on many fundamental and difficult to deal with issues.

This is a struggle for the future of Iran and the lives of Iranians. Therefore it must be carried out by Iranians. If anybody chooses to resort to outside players in order to change the outcome to what they see fit, they are a traitor to that struggle, to Iran and to Iranians, and they should be treated as such.

And please don't use Iraq and Libya as examples. There's a reason why they're in the shape they are.

It is clear that we never ask the foreigners to attack our country and kill us, the problem is that our leaders are forcing them to do it by insisting on their nuclear ambitions and seeking the destruction of another country (Israel), most of countries of the world are against it and the global sanctions on Iran proves this thing, what should we do? I think the best thing is that we at least don't support this regime.

You have no doubt or there IS no doubt? Who made you the decision maker my friend?

Even the top advisors in the US administration don't believe that Khamenei has made the decision and at the most they're after nuclear weapon's capability. Most recently Iran converted half of its 20% enriched uranium to oxide form and this will totally put a dent in any weaponization that you're saying Iran is persuing. Once you convert it it's easier to make a new batch than to convert it back. The Americans even acknowledged that this was a good step by Iran.

Even the biggest of the zionists clearly states that Iran isn't after nukes. Dr. Colin H. Kahl from the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) states clearly in this interview that Khamenei hasn't made the decision. This guy worked for the Obama administration and was an advisor to him prior to joining CNAS.

http://www.stimson.org/events/understanding-iranian-public-opinion/

Don't be so extreme just to show you're against the regime. I'm against the regime too, but we're not in Iran and in the end Iranian people will decide what will happen.

Every poll conducted in the last decade has consistently shown that 90% of Iranians support the nuclear issue.

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/25/irans_nuclear_resistance

First of all, we are not friends. Secondly, I don't believe in a single poll that comes out of Iran as people are always scared to express their real opinion in are. Thirdly, I spent a good part of the year in Iran so there is no need to put me in your imaginary category. I, unlike many other people here don't live in fancy rich parts of Tehran, rather I have communications with lower and middle class people in the cities that I live in, and I can tell you they are so sick of their current life that not only they hate this regime and its nuclear program, but some even ask for any means of a change in the current situation, including a foreign invasion.

^^OR...they can grow some balls and do something about it. Force the change in the government. Iranians need to stop being such pussies, sitting in their homes behind close doors, complaining and bitching about the government. Go out and do something about it. Look what the egyptians did, look what the syrians are doing. Damn it :bash:

^^OR...they can grow some balls and do something about it. Force the change in the government. Iranians need to stop being such pussies, sitting in their homes behind close doors, complaining and bitching about the government. Go out and do something about it. Look what the egyptians did, look what the syrians are doing. Damn it :bash:

What the egyptians did was nothing compared to the numbers iranians turned out in 2009. Mubarak stepped down as soon as the americans stopped backing him, iranians dont have that luxury.

And syria? seriously? thats what you want for iran?


On the other hand, i don't have any better suggestions so :\

It is clear that we never ask the foreigners to attack our country and kill us,

Well I'm glad to hear that from you. But I'm not sure if it's so clear, given that you were advocating a foreign invasion, in case Iran develops nuclear weapons.

the problem is that our leaders are forcing them to do it by insisting on their nuclear ambitions and seeking the destruction of another country (Israel),

Nulcear ambitions? Iranians shouldn't have right to nuclear technology that is clearly allowed to them under international treaties? Do you view Iranians as inferior to every other nation in the world? Did we have nuclear 'ambitions' when we were invaded left, right and center by the Russians, British and Americans in the recent past? Did we threaten to destroy another country to deserve to be blockaded by foreign navies in 1952 and then finally our best hope for liberal democracy to be destroyed by the same powers in 1953? Should we permanently crawl up in hole for them to find us less offensive? Do you think we will finally stop 'forcing' them to do these things to us when we hand over the last bit of our sovereignty and national rights? It's sad to see such inferiority ridden remarks by an Iranian!

most of countries of the world are against it and the global sanctions on Iran proves this thing,

Global sanctions? Most of what is hurting Iran is due to the work of a handful of former colonial powers and the US, that have traditionally sought to dominate Iran. The vast majority of the globe has and would gladly trade with Iran if a reliable method could be found to actually pay Iran and conduct transactions. I'd hardly call them global. But you're free to exaggerate if you wish.

what should we do?

Keep walking! Who said the rise of Iran would be cost free? We have tried appeasing the West over and over and over again. And the results have always been disastrous and detrimental to our national interests and country. And that's because power talks and bullsh!t walks. Why should the western nations accommodate us and respect our interests, when they can get what they want by dominating and bullying us? Once Iran has the power to inflict serious harm to her adversaries and their interests, you will see a very different tone coming out them.


I think the best thing is that we at least don't support this regime.

Don't support the regime. But support Iran. Support Iran's rights despite the regime. Support Iran's sovereignty. Support Iran's interests. Support Iranians' right to self-determination. Support Iranians' right to define themselves by their own values. Support Iranians' right to make mistakes.

The regime is our problem, our fault, our responsibility. It is our ugly side. We've had it for a long time. We have to first start to understand it and then gently deal with it... ourselves.

As I said in my frist posts, one the major problems in Iran is the nationalist bigotry of some people, similar to religious bigotry of our current leaders.

Of course people should defend their country but we should consider the situation that they live in, in the Achaemenid era, a dictator named Artaxerxes III came to power, this mad man burnt a city to the ground and killed forty thousand people in one day, then we see some years later Alexander with a small army came and conquered the whole Persian empire but in the Parthian era, Trajan with a huge Roman army wanted to do the same, there wasn't even a Parthian army to defend the country, but we see the people stood firmly against him and he had to retreat.

Ultra-nationalists can't dictate to the people what they should do, in the current situation the only important thing for the people is that this regime is changed even by a foreign invasion, it doesn't matter for them what will happen later.

no
u fail to understand that any sudden change causes another group of idiots to come

even if that wouldnt be the case, we need to make our own nation and destiny

its not like america would come and hand us a nice democratic system anyway

funny it is that u get offended by me saying a mosalla is ugly and consider it hatred towards iranian culture then u are OK with a foreign invasion

Soroush, I hope you are not offended but unfortunately there are many people like who hate the Iranian culture and civlization and talk about our nation and destiny, this anti-Iranian regime came to power through a long process by these people, not foreigners, whenas we know the previous regime was the real reviver of our ancient culture and civlization.

If we want the western democracy then it will be better that they come and hand us a nice democratic system because we have a very bad experience of it and these people will probably make something worse than it but if want our own monarchy system then we can do it ourselves.

Soroush, I hope you are not offended but unfortunately there are many people like who hate the Iranian culture and civlization and talk about our nation and destiny, this anti-Iranian regime came to power through a long process by these people, not foreigners, whenas we know the previous regime was the real reviver of our ancient culture and civlization.

If we want the western democracy then it will be better that they come and hand us a nice democratic system because we have a very bad experience of it and these people will probably make something worse than it but if want our own monarchy system then we can do it ourselves.

democracy works because the government elected is seen as legitimate by the people. if democracy is "handed to you" by foreigners, it will not work because there is no way that the government will have the proper legitimacy for democracy to work.

It has to be organic otherwise its not democracy.

The US "handed" iraq democracy, how did that work out...

Then there is the more important matter that the US doesn't actually give a crap about democracy.

An Iranian type of democracy already exists in Iran, by your logic, there is no need to change.

I completely agree with you Cyrus.

An Iranian type of democracy already exists in Iran, by your logic, there is no need to change.

the west doesnt want a democratic iran, thats their nightmare
the IR was heavily supported by western powers.
now its a monster out of controll

democracy must and MUST be internal or else we will continue to be enslaved ,
destiny must be in our OWN hands

if our government should be handed to us, might aswell hand our land, people language industry etc to them aswell!

we have been struggling for democracy for almost 2 centuries,
and we had a partial democracy with mosadegh, thats iranian, not thia IR

thia isnt democracy, and nobody claims it is

u want the easy way out

but iranians in iran arent that pissed yet, it takes time

and secondly, u are thinking a about a direct overthrow, that doesnt work, and never will
we need shifting changes

Here is what we are all over looking: "separation of church and state." In this case the separation of Islam from our so called democracy. The IR has to go in order for democracy to flourish. People in Iran have to accept that Islam in politics is the problem, and the fact that one douchebag of a person (khamenei), can't be the sole ruler of a country. He is a dictator. Once we realize that, we can hang his ass, and go on about creating a true democracy...ON OUR OWN.

^^ Most people in Iran want seperation of church and state, i dont know if you ever been to Iran cause it seems like you think Iranians somehow dont know whats going on. In fact Iranian people are to most smart and educated people in the world when it comes to politics and all cause they have been thru so much..

I think there are three options about the near future of Iran, especially by considering the recent economic and nuclear issues:

1. The current regime stays in power and continues its way.
2. A popular uprising and probably a civil war, like in Syria.
3. A foreign invasion and some unknown later events.

Which one do you think will happen?

none, maybe something between 1 and 2

but again, over time, pressure will cause them to melt down
its a long process
my thoughts
another possibility is that the regime digs its own grave which they kindof are, there is a few huge splits and cracks in the system, which can lead to them knocking eachother out

Obviously you are all over looking the fact that there are, unfortunately, many supporters of this islamic regime in Iran. Or else, the regime would not have been able to last this long. You say, "'Most people' in Iran want seperation of church and state." If most people were against this regime, there is no way it could get the proper support to survive. Clearly there are many (probably atleast half) of the nation, middle to low income, old, religiously conservative population that lend their support to khamenei. It's sad to say this, but the old and conservative have to die off, and give rise to a younger, more liberal overwhelming majority of the population in order for the IR to lose its stable support. OR, the young and ambitious can violently (or nonviolently) force a regime change internally.

Obviously you are all over looking the fact that there are, unfortunately, many supporters of this islamic regime in Iran. Or else, the regime would not have been able to last this long. You say, "'Most people' in Iran want seperation of church and state." If most people were against this regime, there is no way it could get the proper support to survive. Clearly there are many (probably atleast half) of the nation, middle to low income, old, religiously conservative population that lend their support to khamenei. It's sad to say this, but the old and conservative have to die off, and give rise to a younger, more liberal overwhelming majority of the population in order for the IR to lose its stable support. OR, the young and ambitious can violently (or nonviolently) force a regime change internally.

See that's where your wrong, things arn't just as simple as that. Iran is a very complex country, also very rich, which means alot of power, that power is gained unfortunatly by a very few procent of filty people who control the country. as already said in this topic bullshit walks power talks. So it's also easy for them to bring thousands of people together from all over to make it look like they got alot of support.

And it's not the young one's that are just liberal, in fact most of them are that free thinking because their parents and even grandparents are to. Iranians have always been open minded and tolerant people. But then again it's easy to be confused when you dont know nothing about the country and see those filthy I.R. individuals in charge for 3 decennia now. Again Iran is complicated, you have to spent some time there to understand..

Obviously you are all over looking the fact that there are, unfortunately, many supporters of this islamic regime in Iran. Or else, the regime would not have been able to last this long. You say, "'Most people' in Iran want seperation of church and state." If most people were against this regime, there is no way it could get the proper support to survive. Clearly there are many (probably atleast half) of the nation, middle to low income, old, religiously conservative population that lend their support to khamenei. It's sad to say this, but the old and conservative have to die off, and give rise to a younger, more liberal overwhelming majority of the population in order for the IR to lose its stable support. OR, the young and ambitious can violently (or nonviolently) force a regime change internally.

a report from the uni of zanjan shows that 70% want democracy
anyway that can be bs

ussr lasted for 80 years but majority were unhappy for a long time

when u have an army and power behind u , u stay in power for a long time

thats how it works

simple

It is not difficult to predict that Iran will fall in anarchy and chaos in the near future, we have to admit that sanctions have worked so well and the regime has really been paralyzed, as far as I know at least one half of the people have either lost their job or haven't received their salary for several months, their savings are not enough to continue this way for a long time, it is clear that Iranian leaders will never ignore their nuclear ambitions, so there is no hope for the future.

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In the end it were people with guns which made the last regime collapse, so...

^^...so thank you that is my damn point!

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This is a struggle for the future of Iran and the lives of Iranians. Therefore it must be carried out by Iranians. If anybody chooses to resort to outside players in order to change the outcome to what they see fit, they are a traitor to that struggle, to Iran and to Iranians, and they should be treated as such.


OH MAN, it's such a SAD reality you live... Helloooooo, we are in the POSTMODERNITY (at least the humankind outside fundamentalists muslims countries and north korea) There is no "outside" anymore, we are just ONE BIG WORLD. Your words are so...old-fashioned!

THANKS GOD (if in fact there is one) that I was born in the New World. I would be enourmously glad if the Iranians, mainly the persecuted ones like the people against dictatorship, gays, sometime atheists, or whatelse, move to where I live in Rio de Janeiro and be my neighbour, so we could spend time talking about the forest, the sun, beach, women, guys and some other problems like global warm, animals being extincted, climate change, corruption around the world, the inequality of income, etc.... and not about war and persecutions.

nationality and blood never dies my friend, thinking that just because u are in a modern world, u have to forget the your closest people is backwards


if we are one big world, we wouldnt all be fighting with eachother, as sad as it may seem, the world is in such chaos, people are dieing and sadly we are getting further and further away from a world where everybody is happy

I doubt that Iranians repeat their mistake, the more possible thing is that they support a foreign invasion.

I think there are three options about the near future of Iran, especially by considering the recent economic and nuclear issues:

1. The current regime stays in power and continues its way.
2. A popular uprising and probably a civil war, like in Syria.
3. A foreign invasion and some unknown later events.

Which one do you think will happen?

option 2 hasn't got a chance until the south of Tehran starts protesting and I don't see that happening any time soon.

So between 1 and 3 I would definitely go for 3, as I believe the damage of IR staying in power each day is a lot more than a foreign invasion. :bash:

south tehran is already was protesting, as did many other cities

u have to give up the cliche divisions

iran is very mixed now khar to khare

nationality and blood never dies my friend, thinking that just because u are in a modern world, u have to forget the your closest people is backwards


if we are one big world, we wouldnt all be fighting with eachother, as sad as it may seem, the world is in such chaos, people are dieing and sadly we are getting further and further away from a world where everybody is happy

"nationality and blood never dies"?????? It is such a racist thought. WOW. Nationality is just a convention, and "blood", excuse me, but we all have the same blood. But if you are talking about DNA I assure you that every human being is the result of a mixture of people. Couldnt you engage an east asian girl or man? Or have a children with an european person for example because you has "another blood"? :nuts:
Unfortunately your thought is not uncommon in the Old world of eurasia...

south tehran is already was protesting, as did many other cities

u have to give up the cliche divisions

iran is very mixed now khar to khare

I don't recall seeing any protest in southern parts of Tehran in recent years.

Oh by the way, to all the people who want a foreign invasion...IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. really the only country strong enough and willing to attack Iran is the USA. And that is not going to happen. The economy here is terrible right now, we are in a HUGE budget deficit and would not be able to afford another war, especially a war that would not only have a massive economic cost, but also a massive loss of lives. If the US could afford it, and thought hundreds of thousands of American lives weren't at risk, then we would have attacked sometime in the last decade. That is why it has not happened yet, and will not happen anytime in the near future.

SO STOP BEING A TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND APPRECIATE THE LIVES YOU DO HAVE!!!!

"nationality and blood never dies"?????? It is such a racist thought. WOW. Nationality is just a convention, and "blood", excuse me, but we all have the same blood. But if you are talking about DNA I assure you that every human being is the result of a mixture of people. Couldnt you engage an east asian girl or man? Or have a children with an european person for example because you has "another blood"? :nuts:
Unfortunately your thought is not uncommon in the Old world of eurasia...

yea yea make up random claims i never made
by blood i dont mean the molecular structure of blood
im talking about ur identity

and thats important
when did i say u cant marry with another nationality ???

if u think its "old" well maybe because ur country is young
there is already enough gang violence and killing in your cities so instead of being concerned about us and europe go fix your own problems
man, u make everyone be angry at u for no reason

I don't recall seeing any protest in southern parts of Tehran in recent years.

there were protests a while back regarding the oil price shifts i believe

and alot of the 2009 protests happened in the central-central south area, people from all around came

not to mention in varzeshgahs mostly payin shahri ppl come and allu here them say is naseza at basij and sepah lol

Oh by the way, to all the people who want a foreign invasion...IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. really the only country strong enough and willing to attack Iran is the USA. And that is not going to happen. The economy here is terrible right now, we are in a HUGE budget deficit and would not be able to afford another war, especially a war that would not only have a massive economic cost, but also a massive loss of lives. If the US could afford it, and thought hundreds of thousands of American lives weren't at risk, then we would have attacked sometime in the last decade. That is why it has not happened yet, and will not happen anytime in the near future.

SO STOP BEING A TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND APPRECIATE THE LIVES YOU DO HAVE!!!!

thats true lol

The US is not alone, some weeks ago 30 other countries also participated in a military exercise against Iran in the Persian gulf, the important point is that instability in the Middle East is one of the main threats to the economy of the world, motsly because oil and petroleum products which are very crucial for the transportation, industrial purpose, ... as sursena somehow said, some people still don't know that we all live in the same world and all economies depend on each other.

So those who love Iranian Mullahs can't be happy for a long time, you can be sure that other countries will never allow them to build nuclear weapons, a military invasion is just one of their options.

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Yes, my country is young... lol... I've heard a few times in the old world about "my country is old" Some people suffer from some pathological condition to think they are the embodiment of the country. :nuts:
Excuse me, I am talking about Asia, about Iran, not europe. And while Iran threatens world peace, that is a much bigger problem.

The US is not alone, some weeks ago 30 other countries also participated in a military exercise against Iran in the Persian gulf, the important point is that instability in the Middle East is one of the main threats to the economy of the world, motsly because oil and petroleum products which are very crucial for the transportation, industrial purpose, ... as sursena somehow said, some people still don't know that we all live in the same world and all economies depend on each other.

So those who love Iranian Mullahs can't be happy for a long time, you can be sure that other countries will never allow them to build nuclear weapons, a military invasion is just one of their options.

:yes:

Iran is a great country :D

Iran has increased nuclear enrichment capacity, IAEA report says
The country could sharply step up production of enriched uranium to a purity that could be quickly improved to bomb grade, says the United Nations' watchdog agency.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-nuclear-20121117,0,7828780.story

Iran is a great country :D

grazie! İtaly is great too :)

Iran has increased nuclear enrichment capacity, IAEA report says
The country could sharply step up production of enriched uranium to a purity that could be quickly improved to bomb grade, says the United Nations' watchdog agency.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-nuclear-20121117,0,7828780.story

Good :banana:

Stop trolling. I read your comments on the Iraqi section. Please don't do the same here.

Iran is allowed to enrich as much uranium as it wants under the NPT agreement.

What do you think reactors run on? Water and sunshine? They need enriched uranium to run. We have the Bushehr reactor, IR-40, research and medical reactors... Plus, this is LEU we're talking about. You can't turn LEU into weapons grade uranium just like that. Iran's LEU is under watch and every molecule has to be accounted for. PLUS, there's no evidence that Iran even wants to do that.

Bushehr is only allowed to use Russian supplied fuel, as per the contract.

So the several tonnes of <5% LEU thats just sitting around is useless. Bushsher has taken 40 years to get built, i don't see any development of any other plants at the moment. Although, if shahs program was to continue without disruption, iran would have had 20 reactors by the 90s.

The 19.75% level uranium i believe there is more than enough of. I don't know if the stock bought from argentina is finished yet but either way half of the stockpile of the 19.75% has been converted to fuel pads which means its ready to be used at TRR.


About the recent news, (actually it happened a while ago, the IAEA report only comes out in 3 month intervals), it was only about iran finishing installing the centrifuges. they haven't actually started using them. all the new ones are just "installed", the amount of centrifuges actually running in fordo is the same as it was before. All it means now is that the fordo has been filled to max capacity of 3000 centrifuges. And if iran wanted to, they can turn those on and enrich uranium faster. (thats if they can, there have been reports that the centrifuges were having problems - these centrifuge designs are really old, slow and inefficient, the designs of the new IR3 and IR4 are still several years away of working, its taking them ages to get even one prototype of a new generation centrifuge).

Other developments: iran is actually taking the fuel out of Bushehr, so its stopped for now. we don't know why but its probably having problems again. 40 years, i mean come on....

From now on. Any off-topic comment will receive a high infraction, including political, attacking eachother's opinions, Israel, nuclear, Saudi Arabia,... and even replying to the comments that weren't appropriate and posted before I write this.
I will delete them as soon as I have time. So don't say you were just answering the previous comments and etc.

Good :banana:
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Nuclear is good, of cause. But I think, the other of most valuable is TransIranian high speed railway.
Main reason: cargo transit to inland countries: Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan & South Russia (!), & to EU at the end. The main target is Europe. South East Asian cargo to EU via Iran, Russia & other lands.
Gauge: European or Russian, there should be talks, Russia may not agree to use EU gauge, & I've heard, even Germany agrees to prolong Russian gauge via Poland to Germany in.
Main economic competitor: China, wants to build Trans-Eurasian railway from her coast or at least Chongking to Germany & other EU countries directly connected.
On today many products are made for EU in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Kambodia & other South Pacific countries. Iran may serve for the link & terminal of these cargo routes.
Support: deep water NEW cargo port at the beginning of railway. Hubs for cargo, with some in the middle of Iran (for some imported products spreading & for export products collecting), terminals in Russia, in Turkmenia, in Kazakhstan (ATTENTION: the last two have no OCEAN ports, inland closed countries), in Germany, in other EU's.
Iran should obtain an OCEAN real port, to be Junction Hub for transit cargo (& of cause, earn money from this).
For passengers: also hubs for domestic passengers & may be (!) for international (Russia, Turkmenia, Kazakhstan).
Speed: for cargo up to 200 km/h, for passenger's - 300 km/h.
Investments: Russia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Turkmenia, Poland, Germany together.
http://www.railcolor.net/images/basic/pesa_111001_53.jpg (http://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.railcolor.net%2Findex.php%3Fnav%3D1000006%26file%3Dpesa_111001_53%26action%3Dimage&ei=6QLEUNf8KqHf4QS8n4DwAw&usg=AFQjCNHyCbHvnguuo6MKAen8EjNOSEBm1g&sig2=xXUiyVnU0uExdN3HPVvyeg)
Source of picture: http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1000006&file=pesa_111001_53&action=image

^^ yes

rail linkage especially high speed is very good :cheers:

regarding nuclear : its good to know it and have it, but shouldnt be relied too much in, it has no real future , countries like japan and germany are slowly moving away fron it as a result of the lack of ability to process the toxic wastes etc and the general risks regarding the whole system (leakage, explosion over heating etc )

I speak about STRATEGIC rail for Iran as WORLD CARGO TRANSITION ROUTE & TERMINALS. It is more important than even high speed rail for passengers only. By 2015 China will finish her Lanzhou-Urumchi high speed line (including cargo moving). Next step for China will be enter Kazakhstan or Kirgizstan (this country is more likely to agree). Their main target - direct railway to Europe. And, for Iran better to start building Trans-Iranian railway from seacoast to the border with Turkmenistan. If Iran starts to build new OCEAN port with transit transportation HUB with new modern facility at the same time - it will be much more dividends in the future. China industry (in prices) weak year by year, some of industry's field are replaced by Vietnam, Indonesia, others. Sea transportation is still the cheapest way, but if sea route is long, time is money, & freight rate also is the same almost. So, Trans-Iranian Rail + Port + Terminal = "road of money" (as source of money).

Future of Iran?
from my - Israeli - point of view, I think its not too bad. I might be very wrong - and you guys all know better then me - but I think Iran is gonna do right. Not yet, but sooner or later Iran will be a great nation as it was before. And hopefully Iran and Israel could establish relationship.

About the nuclear thing: from my point of view - and surley most Israelis - we do not care whether you use nuclear energy or not, its your right to do so. Israeli politicans react that harsh about Iran for several reasons. Its not a secret (and please guys do not tell me its Western propaganda) that Ahmadinejad wants (shall I know say - wanted?) to "erase" Israel. You know Israeli people take threats pretty seriouse ;) (plus we are a bunch of paranoid girls :lol:) Another reason is the arming of hezbollah and the hamas. it is pretty much like a war.

this is not supposed to be critic on Iran. I have never been there but since I can think I wanna go there to see this country. I am born in Europe, living in Israel nearly all my life. when I was a child, we had an Iranian Jewish neighbour and he hanged two flags on his front door: the Israeli and the Persian (with the lion). he told me stories about Iran. good ones. And soon I will see my self (using my Austrian passport. tryin to get a Visa. you guys think itll work?)

Anyway, all Iranians I know are smart people. I do see a bright (maybe not near but still...) future for Iran

sry for typos.

Future of Iran?
from my - Israeli - point of view, I think its not too bad. I might be very wrong - and you guys all know better then me - but I think Iran is gonna do right. Not yet, but sooner or later Iran will be a great nation as it was before. And hopefully Iran and Israel could establish relationship.

About the nuclear thing: from my point of view - and surley most Israelis - we do not care whether you use nuclear energy or not, its your right to do so. Israeli politicans react that harsh about Iran for several reasons. Its not a secret (and please guys do not tell me its Western propaganda) that Ahmadinejad wants (shall I know say - wanted?) to "erase" Israel. You know Israeli people take threats pretty seriouse ;) (plus we are a bunch of paranoid girls :lol:) Another reason is the arming of hezbollah and the hamas. it is pretty much like a war.

this is not supposed to be critic on Iran. I have never been there but since I can think I wanna go there to see this country. I am born in Europe, living in Israel nearly all my life. when I was a child, we had an Iranian Jewish neighbour and he hanged two flags on his front door: the Israeli and the Persian (with the lion). he told me stories about Iran. good ones. And soon I will see my self (using my Austrian passport. tryin to get a Visa. you guys think itll work?)

Anyway, all Iranians I know are smart people. I do see a bright (maybe not near but still...) future for Iran

sry for typos.

Thank you for your nice compliments. It is really appreciated. I hope in the future, every nation would become friends with eachother, regardless of political problems.
I don't know but I hope you could get your visa ;)