Go past this development a lot. Its a big project, so I thought it deserves its own thread.

The redevelopment of Rathbone Market is being undertaken by Newham Council's partners English Cities Fund (ECF). The first phase of building works should be completed by August 2012 with 271 new homes built and new shops units being created. Ultimately the scheme will see a total of 650 new homes built.

Location: Canning Town, London Borough of Newham
Architects: CZWG Architects LLP
Client: English Cities Fund - a joint venture between English Partnerships, Legal and General and Muse Developments
Content: 62000 sq m in total, 52000 sq m residential, 4500 sqm of retail, 2600 sq m new typology of LSC and a privately run market
Completion Date: Expected by 2015 - Awarded planning permission in March 2009

http://www.siskgroup.com/sites/siskgroup.com/files/project/209/1328-rathbone-market-newham-london.jpg

http://www.ianhumes.co.uk/pages/images/rathbone-03-lb.jpg

Beautiful

Beautiful

The towers not too bad, and it certainly looks better than what was there before. Why, though, do new schemes in East London have to have tacky colours plastered all over them? Is that some sort of requirement from Newham's planning department?

Why shoudn't buildings have colour? I really like this new wave of coloured buildings, look at what Rogers does with colour.

Why do buildings have to be one colour?

Look at the ancient greeks, they painted all there buildings beautiful colours. We can't see these original colours now due to age but at the time they would have been amazing.

'God' gave us cones for a reason!

Rogers and Piano do colour beautifully...this looks bland and forced...though I agree much better then what is there. Absolutely hate the metallic looking cladding. :(

God that's nasty.

The towers not too bad, and it certainly looks better than what was there before. Why, though, do new schemes in East London have to have tacky colours plastered all over them? Is that some sort of requirement from Newham's planning department?

do they have a planning department?

Looks a bit like East German in the 1960s

was wondering if there was a thread for this... been watching it rise over the last few months from North Greenwich.

Looks a bit like East German in the 1960s

I dont mind the splashes of colour, the lack of detail on most of the silvery grey panelling facades is a bit ominous especially with the small windows. More generous windows would have made a world of difference.

Now it all depends how clean the panels can keep over the years. Overall the massing has more coherence than Stratford Hight Street as obviously this is a single developer versus the over-stretched Newham planning dept.

Colour on buildings is fine if it's the right colour. This has a whiff of the Barratt Homes 'Fusion' tower in Poplar about it... as is yuck

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/96/251612478_51887df8b2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mogwai_83/251612478/)
The Fusion Building (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mogwai_83/251612478/) by Docklandsboy (http://www.flickr.com/people/mogwai_83/), on Flickr

Certainly the colour used on the Rathbone Market is more striking (braver?) than the Barratts effort, the strong colours are in slithers and highlights rather than the expanse of the safer terracotta (that was all the rage back then) along with the large expanse of an alternate colour to try and break up the mass, the Barratts block would certainly look far worse without the 2nd colour.

At least with something bold and strong, if it doesn't work out you can rely on it endearing, that Barratts block just looks awkward and forlorn yet obvious in its presence.

The Rathbone scheme has gone for a rather bland grey silvery main cladding, my main gripe with these types of buildings is not the silvery grey cladding (which is quite popular at the moment) is that the window proportions in anywhere but the living room just are not attractive. This is a problem for cheaper large builds and tower structures as you get very poor sides that dominate. The Georgians got the use of windows right.

However the grey silvery panelling if we are going to go for cheap builds (which is what all these out of zone1 buildings are basically), is that it can help to hide the massing without resorting to heavy handed cladding tactics it has a very clever lightness and suits Londons changeable weather. Obviously a preferred tactic would be for proud intrinsic elegance via vertical emphasis instead of having to resort to trickery but this is London.

The Terrecotta on the Barratts scheme, which was once everywhere even on high end builds, the colour is very heavy and warm, but it lacks the detail, weathering ability and texture of brick leaving an uninteresting but heavy presence.

If we are going for cheap I would rather lightness, which is why I don't mind the tactics of random cladding too as you get lightness + massing break up suggested by the subtle visual noise.

Surely the duck egg blue will weather less well than the teracotta?

ultimately you could clad a building in anything and if the proportions of the windows look generous and attractive it would look good.

We haven't yet found a way to juggle glass costs and energy efficiencies from solar gain into an attractive package.

What do you think of the cladding now? To be honest, after seeing it today, the cladding looks better in real life than it does in the renders. Here is a picture i took today (3rd February 2012).

http://i55.tinypic.com/29cuedc.jpg

Here's another render, from the opposite side...

http://www.rathbonemarket.com/images/View1.jpg

And here's the website: http://www.rathbonemarket.com/

And...voilà!

From the website's gallery, the cladding.

http://www.rathbonemarket.com/photos/RM%20Nov%202011%20D.jpg

Has a whiff of Playstation 2 about it

http://superclassicvideogames.com/sony_slim_ps2_1.jpg

I have a feeling this is going to come off too brash. I like the window bands but they would be so much better with brick and wood. Like the Canada Water stuff.

Awful. Such loud-coloured, plain metal panels can only make a building look cheap and ruin the cityscape. The grey facade with its small windows probably won't be any better though, I expect it to turn out like this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=87921596&postcount=68). The round mid-rise part looks like a car park.

At last London is getting some colour. What took them so long ?

You often get an early morning Thames mist here so a bit of colour mightn't be a bad thing. Certainly the area is crying out for some hope. The design of the new Rookby school building hasn't added anything to the area, especially when compared to the design of some of the academies in neighbouring Hackney.

To be fair the green on the temporary building, The Place, opposite the grey station brightens things up. You leave the grey steel and cement of the station for a busy road, concrete flyover and pa mix of 60s and 70s buildings. Many of these have been demolished and the million-pound bus-priority lane through the roundabout which never was never used is being converted into a junction. They're also closing slip lanes to allow a more convenient route from the station to Barking Road.

Unfortunately things have slipped due to the recession and I think the town centre won't prosper until the Leamouth Peninsula is built and (and it's a big and) a the much-promised bridge to Canning Town station is built. At present, The Sphere which is situated to the right of The Place, feels unconnected to the rest of the area.

Canning Town is a great location for excellent connections to Canary Wharf, the West End, Stratford and LCY. It just needs the investment.

I go past this every day and it certainly is growing and very noticable, a shame that the residents will be right next to the A13 and Barking Road.

As mentioned above, theres so much empty, overgrown land around Canning Town, when Siemens, Emirates Airways (cable car), Leamouth and Rathbourne is finished there may be more of a feel of vibrancy here. Currently it is a little disjointed and in desperate need of a town centre/square.

Wish and you shall receive ;)

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/new_canning_town_centre_plans_are_approved_1_1182734

wow i wish planning did work like that!

some pics from a walk with the family last weekend:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7048/6803186194_eeb923ef22_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803186194/)
Rathbone Market Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803186194/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7057/6803188272_a271e25b28_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803188272/)
Rathbone Market Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803188272/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/6949294449_973f847b64_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6949294449/)
Rathbone Market Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6949294449/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6803190612_a2516d1bb9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803190612/)
Rathbone Market Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803190612/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6803193766_743bbce8ee_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803193766/)
Rathbone Market Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6803193766/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

that was quick!

The 'Red Apple' style cladding is starting to make a statement.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/6957911989_c388e81634_b.jpg
got a quick snap as i was walking around the area looking for potential development sites for a university project, interesting history in the area, such as the market used to the biggest in london/or england. (was not paying that much attention to the lecturer as it was freezing today)

taken today:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6833536128_5d5182ac72_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6833536128/)
Rathbone Market Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/6833536128/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr
(does anyone know if they are planning LED crown lighting or similar for this? i hope they are)

I don't believe so judging by this night render:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_U3WQ1ysJfDU/TFwEQ7kdlSI/AAAAAAAAAGs/Wvm4-6tsn-4/s1600/Rathbone+Market.jpg

Couple more renders not posted before:

http://www.rathbonemarket.com/images/View2.jpg

http://www.rathbonemarket.com/images/View4.jpg

looks like they are lighting up the purple bit at the top in your first pic. that would be cool

Cool buildings. Like the colours

It's interesting the render includes the roundabout which is to be removed under the master plan. By the way Newham recently held an exhibition on phase 2 of the works at Rathbone market which will see another temporary move of the stalls as they knock down the large block of flats at the left of the site.

Meanwhile Newham Recorder this week announced funding has been agreed for the regeneration of the town centre.

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/canning_town_s_600m_lifeline_regeneration_scheme_1_1235839

It's interesting the render includes the roundabout which is to be removed under the master plan.

Probably too much effort to photoshop it out.

Looks to be almost externally complete.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380576_10151551006975541_787295540_23910020_2131707426_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578282_10151551010300541_787295540_23910040_974505859_n.jpg

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-mfGJJ7m/0/X3/MG9234-X3.jpg

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-7Nj3vjx/0/X3/MG9224-X3.jpg

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-hRbVTQp/0/X3/MG9246-X3.jpg

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-RJ2fWdH/0/X3/MG9256-X3.jpg

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-S3jckcP/0/X3/MG9233-X3.jpg

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-NZvkbhn/0/X3/MG9238-X3.jpg

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-N6D49kg/0/X3/MG9235-X3.jpg

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the construction chest (http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/)

Red and green, should never be seen. http://hallofthewendigo.informe.com/forum/images/smilies/sy.gif

http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/Architecture/skyscraper-construction/miscellaneous/i-mfGJJ7m/0/X3/MG9234-X3.jpg

Doesn't look too bad actually. Not as tacky as I thought it would.

It's quite striking from a distance, you get a good view of it from East India DLR and its not unpleasant to look at ...

its actually higher quality than the renders (thank god) the cladding is a much better quality than i would have though considering some of the previous attempts to be colourful by the developers

From the Olympic Park:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7257/7699602282_f85deddf13_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/57855223@N05/7699602282/)
IMG_7198 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/57855223@N05/7699602282/) by corerising (http://www.flickr.com/people/57855223@N05/), on Flickr

Phase two of the project was given the green light in July

http://www.rathbonemarket.com/images/phase2-image.gif

I'm likeing the trend of introducing more colour into buildings.

I'm likeing the trend of introducing more colour into buildings.

I wish I could agree. I think they look fine on their own, but when you look at them as part of the skyline it starts to look a bit messy in my view.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8302/7742100972_f3161af3c7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/57855223@N05/7742100972/)
IMG_7946 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/57855223@N05/7742100972/) by corerising (http://www.flickr.com/people/57855223@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8441/7742099918_4131e5aac2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/57855223@N05/7742099918/)
IMG_7947 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/57855223@N05/7742099918/) by corerising (http://www.flickr.com/people/57855223@N05/), on Flickr

the problem with colour as it looks a bit cheap and this building looks a bit cheap.

I wish I could agree. I think they look fine on their own, but when you look at them as part of the skyline it starts to look a bit messy in my view.

the problem with colour as it looks a bit cheap and this building looks a bit cheap.

Do you live/have you been to Canning Town?

I live there. Infact, I live a 5 minute walk from this development, and have done for a long time. Colours from developments like this is what Canning Town needs. It needs to start attracting families, workers, and and better social and living standards. Canning Town is 2 stops to Canary Wharf, a few more to London Bridge and Bank. It has Greenwich and Stratford on its doorstep, and A13 arterial route into London and out to Southend running right through it. It has a lot going for it, and we need to start advocating development like the one under construction in this thread.

One way to do that is to add colour, vibrancy and fucking life to an otherwise dull town. Stuff like this should have happened years ago, and not now.

The dull dreary grey block next to the main tower is what is really offensive. London developments generally needs to use less drab grey in a bloody miserable climate most of the time and more colour. Not neccesarily bright colours though they have a place, but pastels, rendered exteriors etc.

here's some pics of vermilion in canning town (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=5778). i like it personally.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5778Vermilion_pic1.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5778Vermilion_pic2.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5778Vermilion_pic3.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5778Vermilion_pic7.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5778Vermilion_pic9.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5778Vermilion_pic11.jpg

I like the red and the silver, but I think the purple spoils it somewhat.

I think the overall colour combinations are good. Here in Melbourne we have a look of dark, moody buildings with dark glass etc - they tend to work well as we get a lot more blue sky days. For London, they just look drab.

My issue with this development, and just about any that do use colour and pattern though, is how they age.... how will this building look in 20 years?

My issue with this development, and just about any that do use colour and pattern though, is how they age.... how will this building look in 20 years?

The paint on this building has a 20 year guarantee that it will not fade below an agreed standard .

It should stay the same colour for the life of the building with a bit of luck.

interesting. got any more factoids for us on it?

The paint on this building has a 20 year guarantee that it will not fade below an agreed standard .

It should stay the same colour for the life of the building with a bit of luck.

They expect the life of the building to be only 20 years? I've got socks older than that!

this building looks so much taller than 74m? I mean the place is 88m and looks far shorter than this? Love this building though, the Red (although not the purple) was definitely won me over

reminds me of tesco value branding =\

Should have used wood. Would have look much nicer

I welcome the colour. Canning Town suffers terribly from grey mist from the Thames. There were times I walked along Barking Road and it looked so bleak. Could the building be better? Of course but I applaud the reconstruction in the area. I hope new apartments and the brilliant transport links attract newcomers who will spend money locally. Canning Town has such huge potential, it just needs a little more exposure.

I like the red, but it's the grey and the window frames that are already starting to look a bit 60s.

It's bright to the point of being brutal.

It needs some tall neighbours to soften the impact.

It's bright to the point of being brutal.

It needs some tall neighbours to soften the impact.

So glad you said that. I see this as neo-brutalism, maybe the first of it's kind in London? *Discuss*

So glad you said that. I see this as neo-brutalism, maybe the first of it's kind in London? *Discuss*

But it's not made of concrete. Neo-brutalism would essentially be something like Canary Wharf Underground station or the London Aquatics Centre.

Although very common in brutalist architecture concreate does not necessitate brutalism, likewise concreate structures are be no means necessarily brutalist. I personally would describe the Aquatics center as post-modern, in fact it's almost the antithesis of brutalism as it is 'non-blocky'.

Personally, I see the defining aspect of brutalism as a construction of a form build from many unit pieces where the units are block-like, and there is no attempt to hide this but instead emphasis it.

This building, instead of using concreate lines as say the barbican does, emphasis its 'blocky-ness' with colour further divided into sub-shades within.

Actually it's not 'neo-brutalism' it's a cheap modern imitation of brutalism. In my opinion modern minimalism-architecture as produced by the likes of Tadao Ando is neo-brutalist.

The British architects Alison and Peter Smithson coined the term in 1953, from the French béton brut, or "raw concrete", a phrase used by Le Corbusier to describe the poured board-marked concrete with which he constructed many of his post-World War II buildings. The term gained wide currency when the British architectural critic Reyner Banham used it in the title of his 1966 book, The New Brutalism: Ethic or Aesthetic?, to characterize a somewhat recently established cluster of architectural approaches, particularly in Europe. Wikipedia: Brutalist Architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture)


We're way beyond the term 'post-modern' or 'post-modernist' (in fact two separate things). Zaha's work can be described as deconstructivist, but even that is a term that is out of fashion now, especially with her latest, more fluid style. Blobismus tried to catch on but was more derogatory than artistic in its describing. The closest we have (and should) be using as a contemporary term is Parametricism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametricism)

The British architects Alison and Peter Smithson coined the term in 1953, from the French béton brut, or "raw concrete", a phrase used by Le Corbusier to describe the poured board-marked concrete with which he constructed many of his post-World War II buildings. The term gained wide currency when the British architectural critic Reyner Banham used it in the title of his 1966 book, The New Brutalism: Ethic or Aesthetic?, to characterize a somewhat recently established cluster of architectural approaches, particularly in Europe. Wikipedia: Brutalist Architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture)


We're way beyond the term 'post-modern' or 'post-modernist' (in fact two separate things). Zaha's work can be described as deconstructivist, but even that is a term that is out of fashion now, especially with her latest, more fluid style. Blobismus tried to catch on but was more derogatory than artistic in its describing. The closest we have (and should) be using as a contemporary term is Parametricism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametricism)

sounds like zoomorphic to me, or organic. parametric can be used to describe almost any style surely as it is concerned as much with HOW the design was done as anything else and pretty much everyone these days uses parametric design techniques. the simple geometry of international and modernism came about surely because that was as advanced as it could at the time? -
http://straddle3.net/context/03/en/2003_10_24.html

common confusion between a building looking "brutal" in it's design, and in a brutalist style. Brutalist doesn't mean the building looks brutal. As Darjole says, the term comes from the 50's and the style of buildings being built post war that were of raw concrete.

The fact that many of these buildings would be considered "brutal" in their style and appearance to the onlooker however just further complicates the matter!

Newham Recorder: Work begins on £3.7billion Canning Town and Custom House regeneration scheme

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk:80/news/work_begins_on_3_7billion_canning_town_and_custom_house_regeneration_scheme_1_1741072



Just a thought, perhaps the mods could rename this thread Canning Town as much of this development is about bringing together the Rathbone Market and Canning Town tube areas together.

much of this development is about bringing together the Rathbone Market and Canning Town tube areas together.

How do they intend to do that with a dirty great roundabout and flyover between the two?

I see a pic there with loads of people walking across zebra crossings and a near total absence of cars. That's wishful thinking to be frank.

Here's the masterplan

http://www.newham.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/72AEFE5E-B2DE-4219-89FB-8B1A76D20035/0/CT_Masterplan.pdf

The idea is to divert the traffic coming off of the slip road and get rid of the roundabout, creatinga new public space in between the station and the Barking road:

"The elimination of the roundabout and re-aligned
roads, delivers a large site, to the east of the bus
station, for redevelopment as a new “commercial
core”, with a public place or “piazza” below the A13
flyover. This site, because of its prominent position,
highly visible from the A13 and the west, provides
the opportunity to develop a series of spectacular
buildings that can re-establish the image of Canning
Town. The commercial core will accommodate a
mix of commercial and residential floorspace, with
the emphasis on the commercial. The proportion
of commercial floorspace on land to the south of
this commercial core will be determined by market
conditions at the time of development, although it is
anticipated that residential uses will predominate on
the southern part of the site"

I think the 'old' roundabout with the ill-fated priority bus lane has already been replaced by a new junction and the slip road from the London-bound A13 diverted.

Newham Recorder: Penthouse in Canning Town goes on sale for £700,000

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk:80/news/penthouse_in_canning_town_goes_on_sale_for_700_000_1_1882378