High speed trains Afrosiyab (route Tashkent - Samarkand) The first high-speed railway in Central Asia

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Talgo 250 AVE (Uzbekistan Railways)

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Thanks for the pictures. :)

Pretty pictures! Is that a modified Talgo model?

Is it a diesel train? What's the top speed?

Its a Talgo model, developed from the Talgo 250 used for Alvia services in Spain, as far as I can tell from the pictures. They are electric, and the Alvia version in Spain operates at 250km/h.

Great pictures! Didn't knew Uzbekistan had a hsr. How many Talgo trains are there?

Wow, that's the first time I ever heard about HSR in Uzbekistan and it looks like the line is already operational!

How long is the line between Tashkent and Samarkand and what's the frequency of the trains?

How long is the line between Tashkent and Samarkand and what's the frequency of the trains?

One train a day in each direction.

Amazing! Never thought Uzbekistan can have an HSR! Even Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia doesn't have one. cool. ;)

Well, it's only 160, so it isn't a true HSR, not at the moment, at least.

^^ that's fast enough.... Philippine Electrified trains runs only 40-90km/h :) Just really amazed and surprised with Uzbekistan.... :)

Well, a fancy train alone don't make it high speed rail. ;)

1 daily connection and a travel time of 2 hours for 340km aren't that spectacular. Apparently, there are a whopping 35km of HSL with the Uzbekistan railways lacking funds to construct more. I wonder how this can ever generate revenues.

Pretty pictures! Is that a modified Talgo model?

Yes, this is model Talgo AVE 250

Is it a diesel train? What's the top speed?

At an average speed of 175 km and in some areas to 220 km. Maximum - 250

Wow, that's the first time I ever heard about HSR in Uzbekistan and it looks like the line is already operational!

How long is the line between Tashkent and Samarkand and what's the frequency of the trains?

From Tashkent to Samarkand, the ride takes about 2 hours. The distance of 360 km

One train a day in each direction.

Uzbekistan has bought two trains that runs every day. Prior to 2015 Uzbekistan also plans to build high-speed railway to Bokhara and to other major cities in the country and buy a few trains Talgo Ave 250

Well, a fancy train alone don't make it high speed rail. ;)

1 daily connection and a travel time of 2 hours for 340km aren't that spectacular. Apparently, there are a whopping 35km of HSL with the Uzbekistan railways lacking funds to construct more. I wonder how this can ever generate revenues.

Do not tell me nonsense. Uzbekistan wealthy enough gas production, gold, uranium country. Dynamically developing country. Trains run on average 175 km per hour. In some areas of 220 km. I personally tried i

Well, it's only 160, so it isn't a true HSR, not at the moment, at least.

You can find out how well you train? From which country will you be?

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You can find out how well you train?
Sorry, but I don't get this sentence. :nuts:
I'm not a train for sure :lol:

I suppose he means "to train"...

Anyway, there's potential for a decent network, but in the current form, that's neither high speed rail (as this would include, at least in my opinion, more than one daily service) nor economically.

1 daily connection and a travel time of 2 hours for 340km aren't that spectacular.

If it takes really two hours for 340 (or 360) km on a conventional line then it IS spectacular :)

I suppose he means "to train"...

Anyway, there's potential for a decent network, but in the current form, that's neither high speed rail (as this would include, at least in my opinion, more than one daily service) nor economically.

I'm sorry. This high-speed railway. Your opinion for us is not important. You are a critic. Criticize without knowing. You are not a constructive critic.

Sorry, but I don't get this sentence. :nuts:
I'm not a train for sure :lol:

I want to know more about you. Where do you live? Do you have high-speed trains? and what speed?

I want to know more about you. Where do you live? Do you have high-speed trains? and what speed?


Go to other threads if you want to know about other high-speed trains. This is all about Uzbekistan Hi-speed Railways. No fighting, just Uzbekistan.

great trains! hehe

I want to know more about you. Where do you live? Do you have high-speed trains? and what speed?

I'm from Kiev, Ukraine. I don't have any trains personally :lol: But my country has some. Their top speed are 160 km/h, which a the same as the current speed of Afrosiyab. The 160 isn't a true High Speed rail by a world-wide standards. I'm really looking forward for both Ukraine and Uzbekistan further upgrading their railway networks and introducing true high speed services (that's starting from 200...220 km/h and more).

If it takes really two hours for 340 (or 360) km on a conventional line then it IS spectacular :)

343 km in 2:30 (http://www.poezda.net/en/train_timetable?mode=3&location=route_redirect&st_from_name=%D2%C0%D8%CA%C5%CD%D2&st_from=2900000&st_to_name=%D1%C0%CC%C0%D0%CA%C0%CD%C4&st_to=2900700&forDate=18-03-2012&titleval=&tr_code=1514391%3A%C0+). It's a good speed for conventional line, but nothing fantastic.

343 km in 2:30 (http://www.poezda.net/en/train_timetable?mode=3&location=route_redirect&st_from_name=%D2%C0%D8%CA%C5%CD%D2&st_from=2900000&st_to_name=%D1%C0%CC%C0%D0%CA%C0%CD%C4&st_to=2900700&forDate=18-03-2012&titleval=&tr_code=1514391%3A%C0+). It's a good speed for conventional line, but nothing fantastic.

Well, it 2h and 50' for 360 km, is not bad at all.

The average speed is about 144 km/h, which is similar to that of some HST's running in Western Europe.

Yep, it's quite good for a conventional line (which I never denied), but it's definitely not "High speed rail" (even if the train would allow for that) as that would mean more than 200kph speed according to the most conservative definitions.

On the other hand, of course, there is that 35km stretch of new line which apparently allows for 250kph. So, Uzbekistans high speed network is nowadays 35km long, but that probably doesn't make much of a difference for the traveller.

Thanks all for your interest in my thread. For the user XAN from Ukraine, I want to say that I first heard that in Ukraine there are high-speed trains. Perhaps it is. Only here in Ukraine, he apparently develops only 160. But in Uzbekistan develops if it is necessary above.

I have nothing against it.

Yep, it's quite good for a conventional line (which I never denied), but it's definitely not "High speed rail" (even if the train would allow for that) as that would mean more than 200kph speed according to the most conservative definitions.

On the other hand, of course, there is that 35km stretch of new line which apparently allows for 250kph. So, Uzbekistans high speed network is nowadays 35km long, but that probably doesn't make much of a difference for the traveller.

That's your opinion. Nevertheless, the Government fully support the further development of such a highway with such modern trains.

i didn't know that Özbekistan have HSR too,
good progress :)

i didn't know that Özbekistan have HSR too,
good progress :)

Thank you

That's your opinion. Nevertheless, the Government fully support the further development of such a highway with such modern trains.

Citi, the "ghost" in this discussion (which has also shown up on other boards) is the fact that those of us who have a European slant tend to align ourselves with the only authoritative definition ever attempted of HS. It is by the EU Commission and it is "authoriative" mostly in the sense that it sets the limits for what the EU is willing to support as HS lines under its TEN programme. Since Uzbekistan is obviously not an EU member, you may accept or dismiss the definition as you please.

According to EU standards high-speed denotes, primarily, newly built track for operating speeds of at least 250 km/h. Secondarily, upgraded conventional track for speeds of at least 200 km/h may also be considered as HS. There is a also a third implicit threshold: 160 km/h, which is the highest operating speed allowed for trains using conventional signalling equipment. (It is surprisingly expensive to upgrade line speeds from 160 km/h to 200 km/h because you have to provide computerised signalling on the entire line and in all trains.) Operating speeds beneath 160 km/h I think most of us would not consider as high-speed .

Citi, the "ghost" in this discussion (which has also shown up on other boards) is the fact that those of us who have a European slant tend to align ourselves with the only authoritative definition ever attempted of HS. It is by the EU Commission and it is "authoriative" mostly in the sense that it sets the limits for what the EU is willing to support as HS lines under its TEN programme. Since Uzbekistan is obviously not an EU member, you may accept or dismiss the definition as you please.

According to EU standards high-speed denotes, primarily, newly built track for operating speeds of at least 250 km/h. Secondarily, upgraded conventional track for speeds of at least 200 km/h may also be considered as HS. There is a also a third implicit threshold: 160 km/h, which is the highest operating speed allowed for trains using conventional signalling equipment. (It is surprisingly expensive to upgrade line speeds from 160 km/h to 200 km/h because you have to provide computerised signalling on the entire line and in all trains.) Operating speeds beneath 160 km/h I think most of us would not consider as high-speed .

So, how to define railways for speeds 170 to 240 km/h?

Citi, the "ghost" in this discussion (which has also shown up on other boards) is the fact that those of us who have a European slant tend to align ourselves with the only authoritative definition ever attempted of HS. It is by the EU Commission and it is "authoriative" mostly in the sense that it sets the limits for what the EU is willing to support as HS lines under its TEN programme. Since Uzbekistan is obviously not an EU member, you may accept or dismiss the definition as you please.

According to EU standards high-speed denotes, primarily, newly built track for operating speeds of at least 250 km/h. Secondarily, upgraded conventional track for speeds of at least 200 km/h may also be considered as HS. There is a also a third implicit threshold: 160 km/h, which is the highest operating speed allowed for trains using conventional signalling equipment. (It is surprisingly expensive to upgrade line speeds from 160 km/h to 200 km/h because you have to provide computerised signalling on the entire line and in all trains.) Operating speeds beneath 160 km/h I think most of us would not consider as high-speed .


Of course we can not compete with Europe. Do you at higher speeds. But the 170-220 km it is still much higher than the rate in the global rate. Check out Wikipedia. Uzbekistan is listed there is the 15th country with a high-speed railways

So, how to define railways for speeds 170 to 240 km/h?

If parts of a line are only useable at speeds of 170 km/h then, by the EU definition, the line may not normally be described as highspeed. The one exception from this is where a project involves the overcoming of a major bottleneck that used to slow the rail traffic disproportionally. In that case, speeds down to 160 km/h may be considered as HS. (Examples include the Channel Tunnel and the Danish/Swedish railway bridges, as well as outside the EU area the Swiss Loetschberg Tunnel.)

But, again: I'm just proffering an EU definition. I'm not offering any "universal solution" to the question of what is HS and what is not.

Thanks all for your interest in my thread. For the user XAN from Ukraine, I want to say that I first heard that in Ukraine there are high-speed trains. Perhaps it is. Only here in Ukraine, he apparently develops only 160. But in Uzbekistan develops if it is necessary above.

I have nothing against it.

Well there is no high speed rail in Ukraine - because 160 km\h isn't a high-speed rail.
Uzbekistan has no HSR at the moment - because 160 km\h isn't a high-speed rail.

Some day, both Uzbescistan and Ukraine will get a true HSR services with 200+ speed, just not now.

Well there is no high speed rail in Ukraine - because 160 km\h isn't a high-speed rail.
Uzbekistan has no HSR at the moment - because 160 km\h isn't a high-speed rail.

Some day, both Uzbescistan and Ukraine will get a true HSR services with 200+ speed, just not now.

Personally, I was driving 175 km per hour in some of the more than 200 km. It was December 31, 2011.

Make no mistake people. In Ukraine, no high-speed railway. In Uzbekistan, there will be developed.

Personally, I was driving 175 km per hour in some of the more than 200 km. It was December 31, 2011.

Make no mistake people. In Ukraine, no high-speed railway. In Uzbekistan, there will be developed.

Are you a train driver?

Are you a train driver?

No. I went to Samarkand in the day (31 december)

ADB and JICA sign Uzbekistan electrification loans

01 March 2012


UZBEKISTAN: The government has signed two international loans which will be used to complete 25 kV electrification of the 831·5 km north - south route between Toshkent and Termez by July 2017.

On February 16 Asian Development Bank signed a US$100m loan to fund work on the 140·8 km section from the current end of the electrification at Marakand to Qarshi.

On February 26 Japan International Cooperation Agency signed a 30-year official development assistance loan providing US$221m for electrification of the 325 km from Qarshi to Qumqo'rgo'n and Termez, along with modernisation of telecoms, repairs to electric locomotives and purchase of other equipment. This package covers the 223 km mountainous Tashguzar - Qumqo'rgo'n line which was partly funded by JICA and opened in August 2007.

Electrification is intended to lower operating costs and energy consumption while increasing speeds, capacity and efficiency on the Toshkent - Termez route, which forms part of the Northern Distribution Network supplying international forces in Afghanistan.

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25KV = 250km/h for the Talgo ?

Surprised with Uzbekistan HSR. Keep it up.

Any further upgrading or new HSR in short term?

Hopefully extend to Astana or even connect China HSR.

Do not tell me nonsense. Uzbekistan wealthy enough gas production, gold, uranium country. Dynamically developing country.
Your opinion for us is not important. You are a critic. Criticize without knowing. You are not a constructive critic.
No offense, citi, but your comments, stance, position clearly reveal Central Asians' symptons at being duped by all their despots-in-the-making. One book went so far as to be predicting serious escalation of the whole region's problems, aggravations, to an extent that will surpass the Middle East's own share as we know it. In addition, mere daily service on an HSR line serves as further evidence of exclusionary practices adopted ... such a whopping sum of money doled out in a country with an abominally staggering, mind-boggling onset of impoverishment :(

No offense, citi, but your comments, stance, position clearly reveal Central Asians' symptons at being duped by all their despots-in-the-making. One book went so far as to be predicting serious escalation of the whole region's problems, aggravations, to an extent that will surpass the Middle East's own share as we know it. In addition, mere daily service on an HSR line serves as further evidence of exclusionary practices adopted ... such a whopping sum of money doled out in a country with an abominally staggering, mind-boggling onset of impoverishment :(

In general I understand you are discriminated against!

It's become clear which of us two be the one wishing it ...

If this train doesn't go up 200km/h, this thread should be merged with : UZBEKISTAN | Railways (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=808196&highlight=uzbekistan)

If this train doesn't go up 200km/h, this thread should be merged with : UZBEKISTAN | Railways (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=808196&highlight=uzbekistan)

Apparently the train touches 250 km/h on a short stretch, as far as i can make out.

Tallying how many minutes per week?

Tallying how many minutes per week?

Heck if I know, but it seems to match Gadiri's requirement.

All international experts:

I personally went above 200 miles per hour It was on this train.

I have to prove anything to YOU IS NOT GOING. I am sorry that I have created a theme and I did not know that there are sitting absolute critics (who do not want to see the obvious)

Well if it touches 250km/h, however short the distance it is, should qualify it as HSR.

All international experts:

I personally went above 200 miles per hour It was on this train.

I have to prove anything to YOU IS NOT GOING. I am sorry that I have created a theme and I did not know that there are sitting absolute critics (who do not want to see the obvious)

200 miles per hour?

200 miles per hour?

Excuse me. I wanted to write more 200 km

Citi, please keep us informed about the future of HSR in Uzbekistan. Thank you for this thread. It is important.
Are there any plans to connect Bukhara (or even Qarshi or Nukus) with Tashkent with HSR? Are there any plans (and needs) for more than one train per day between Toshkent and Samarkand?

Citi, please keep us informed about the future of HSR in Uzbekistan. Thank you for this thread. It is important.
Are there any plans to connect Bukhara (or even Qarshi or Nukus) with Tashkent with HSR? Are there any plans (and needs) for more than one train per day between Toshkent and Samarkand?

Between Tashkent and Samarkand trains run every day. By 2015, trains will run up to Bukhara (and other major cities in the country). I know high-speed railway will be laid to the city of Termez, Navoi

Samarkand? :rofl: Quite a new challenge laid out for HSR know-how! What emergency measure might be in place to mitigate passengers' suffering should their unit outright stall because of some power failure, somewhere in the vast remote desert underneath sunshine exceeding 150ºF, pray tell us ;)

Samarkand? :rofl: Quite a new challenge laid out for HSR know-how! What emergency measure might be in place to mitigate passengers' suffering should their unit outright stall because of some power failure, somewhere in the vast remote desert underneath sunshine exceeding 150ºF, pray tell us ;)

In the first 150 degrees of the sun perhaps you have there is (unless you live on planet earth) Leave your own jokes

Praying's no joke, right?

In the first 150 degrees of the sun perhaps you have there is (unless you live on planet earth) Leave your own jokes
Well, he measures temperature in F, not in C, as all CIS countries do.
150 F = 65 C

Praying's no joke, right?

Do not write your stupid comments. For your jokes, there are other forums

Well, he measures temperature in F, not in C, as all CIS countries do.
150 F = 65 C

I think the man is not all right with his head. 65 degrees probably somewhere in the Sahara Desert

There has never been 150 F (65 C) in shadow anywhere on Earth. In Sahara, 57 Celsius is recorded, but dubious. The 56 Celsius in Death Valley is regarded as more reliable.

However, confined dark vessels can and do get much hotter than free air in shadow. Which is why children and beasts commonly get heatstrokes when locked in cars.

The highest temperature ever recorded in Spain was +47 in Murcia. The record for, for example, Iraq is +52.

There has never been 150 F (65 C) in shadow anywhere on Earth. In Sahara, 57 Celsius is recorded, but dubious. The 56 Celsius in Death Valley is regarded as more reliable.

However, confined dark vessels can and do get much hotter than free air in shadow. Which is why children and beasts commonly get heatstrokes when locked in cars.

The highest temperature ever recorded in Spain was +47 in Murcia. The record for, for example, Iraq is +52.

Maybe you're right. What is the lowest temperature in Spain?

Since 2005 between Tashkent and Samarkand shuttle train "Registan"

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Trains Uzbekistan Railways

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What is
A lazy example of educating oneself ...

Try distinguishing between joking and ridiculing, the difference is mightier than you think ;)

Anyone could show HSR video in there?

I just got christened http://forums.aria.co.uk/images/smilies/ScratchHead.gif as follows (by way of PM):dude, you're tired of me already. We have with you some personal relationship? Who are you? Ask not to write in my thread
Refused.
By what's been shared thus far here, the chance that any fraction of the remaining 99% of Uzbekis at travelling on this very fast service any time soon is remote, if at all existent :(

I just got christened http://forums.aria.co.uk/images/smilies/ScratchHead.gif as follows (by way of PM):
By what's been shared thus far here, the chance that any fraction of the remaining 99% of Uzbekis at travelling on this very fast service any time soon is remote, if at all existent :(

I just do not understand. What do you do? What do you want me to prove?

Can the little children stop fighting and please just start writing information about this Uzbekistan Hi-speed Railway?

Can the little children stop fighting and please just start writing information about this Uzbekistan Hi-speed Railway?

That you are writing to some other user. I understand that trade is not for war. I do not like too "smart" users

That you are writing to some other user. I understand that trade is not for war. I do not like too "smart" users

Ok, i don't even understand what this means, but i see no information about Uzbekistan's HSR, so cut it out.

Citi, could you please explain: Does the Registan train runs in addition to HS train or now only HS train runs between Toshkent and Samarkand?
And one question more please: what about plan to connect Angren and Kokand with railway?

Citi, could you please explain: Does the Registan train runs in addition to HS train or now only HS train runs between Toshkent and Samarkand?
And one question more please: what about plan to connect Angren and Kokand with railway?


Train "Registan" also ply between Tashkent and Samarkand. 3 times a week. At the expense of another of your question I will try to find out more about this (Angren-Kokand)

start writing information
Some gaitkeeper, eh?

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220 km/h maximum
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Citi, were you able to find some information about Angren – Kokand line?

Citi, were you able to find some information about Angren – Kokand line?

Unfortunately:ohno:

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^^ have you more pictures or videos??

Hi-speed trains Afrosiyob

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