1914


northern and southern nigeria merged to form what is known today as nigeria

http://www.channelstv.com/images/newsImages/north_south_nigeria.jpg

1950

general conference in ibadan, where things such as regional autonomy were disucssed and agreed on, between northern, western and eastern leaders

1953

alot of things happened, due to the things discussed in ibadan not being fruitful more urgency was need, one of the main things happening was the riots in kano in may, a political riot, which had wide implications because it showed more impatience, people wanted autonomy, alot of people didn't want the notion of 1 nigeria, and leaders from the talks in ibadan were also unsure, some wanted it quicker, some wanted more time, things were heated, northern leaders were calling for seccesion from nigeria, and as a matter of urgency, talks were taken to london in july

starting the 60s i will show pictures

Why make you that thread my dear friend?

Why make you that thread my dear friend?

i did not ask you to come hear, if you do not find nigerias history interesting then get out and never come back

Why make you that thread my dear friend?
Why Not ? :nuts::nuts:

1957

constitutional conference, southerners (west and east) gain there self governence status, it is agreed that the north would only get self governance status in 1959, for those that don't know, this agreement was important for nigerias independance, no self governance, no independance, the north did not want to get into this quickly, ahmadu bello especially did not want to sell himself to this idea, because npc (northern peoples congress) had many doubts such as that independance would lead to underdevelopment in northern nigeria, and the north wanted to think before making any decision which will have implications for the north, for generations to come

1959

elections, after pressure (from azikiwe especially) to go ahead with the multilateral decision from the conference prior, the north has caved in, npc has decided to go with independance, and has fulfulled the agreements of 1957, also the npc wins a majority in parliament, things are going according to plan (so far), winning 134 seats in the 312 seat parliament, only 9 short of a majority, it is during this time that the npc really turned into the political power


some scenes in lagos during the election results

http://i.imgur.com/Tmh5a.png

i did not ask you to come hear, if you do not find nigerias history interesting then get out and never come back

Abeg:nuts:, just to ask a question dear friend.:)

1960

octber first, nigeria gained independance, big day, things that were agreed in 1957 kick in, in 1953 who would have thought it would happen?

pictures of the celebrations

http://www.library.umass.edu/spcoll/collections/galleries/dubois/MS0312-0555.jpg

http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24_169_large/article/image/independance-main-m_20.jpg

http://emeagwali.com/photos/biafra/nigerian-school-children-celebrating-national-independence-october-1-1960.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/10/13/1255435975837/Nigerian-Independence-001.jpg

balewa (first pm)

http://maxsiollun.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/balewa1.jpg

azikiwe (first president)

http://nnn.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/NnamdiAzikiwe_02.jpg

Which kind of history be this one? Dan Katsina/Namfav version of events, for your own sake skip to 1971 :lol:

1964

now the first elections since independance. the npc/nna alliance was forming a goal to get influence in the west (using akintolas nndp), funny enough azikiwes ncnc/upga alliance was going contrary to what was agreed in 1957 (you have to ask who forced who into what, maybe they just lost focus), and the agenda was with regions according to ethnicity, like, west for yoruba, north for hausa, east for ibo etc. the ncnc did not like the influence of the npc in the west, the eastern region boycotted the elections but it did not stop the elections from going ahead according to plan, anyway, in the end the nndp with the support of npc scored big in the west, this started a era of what some in the east consider as betrayal from the west, and this would lead to a more dangerous situation

balewa and bello parade the streets

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xS5lMHBKi9I/TxMFMeWydBI/AAAAAAAAAMw/2oODSeWBzKg/s1600/487762_Balewa_parade_jpge9b9e18b0957350d3766f54be71a294e.jpg

1965


massive year, marred by some failure to adresse political issues with political solutions, violence in the west, with awolowo in prison for conspiring to overthrow the fg, the west now was won by the nndp (of akintola and allied to the npc in the north), this forced some elements in the military to stand by there whiskers, now let me tell you, before 1965, sardauna had predicted a plan by the east, in fact this were some things that were discussed with akintola and that is why initially the nndp formed an allience with npc, they knew something was going on, but wait for 1966, no one expected this, so after nndp won with the backing of npc, in the west of nigeria, and with azikiwe and his prime minister (balewa of npc) not even looking at each others eyes, up stepped a ibo general, by the name of johnson aguiyi ironsi , not only was he accused by most other tribes in nigeria of favouritsm, but even people close to the east (like awo), could not have been aware of what was in store. 1966 was going to be a year that nigeria changes forever

akintola
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Akintola.JPG/170px-Akintola.JPG

ironsi

http://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events/f80a8a01be12890be4611bff75013ec9_1M.png

Nigerian history by someone that can't spell igbo.

Death is Esrael #Aboki

Nigerian history by someone that can't spell igbo.

Death is Esrael #Aboki

or should i say yibo? you are free to add anything if you think i am wrong, serious stuff here, i dont want people to be misled so if you think you have anything to add, go ahead, i dont shut people like the madam in the ojukwu thread

Oh boy here comes the spin of history :lol:

i will give you a opportunity to very quickly tell anyone who is reading, where i have wrong unlike you i do not like when people are misinformed, 1966 is a big year and i will divide it with the months, i will be revealing somethings i am sure you did not even know, which may be interesting for non nigerians who dont really know nigerias history

A big year for spin by Dan Katsina, oh tell us how the Civil War was a just and moral cause led by Nigeria's knight in shining armor Gowon, and after the war he put Nigeria on the path of economic success allowing the future generations of Nigerians to live in the lap of luxury. Oh don't forget his noble sidekick Buhari who took criminals to task. Nigeria's dream team :rofl: I'm so glad it turned out like that :hilarious:

A big year for spin by Dan Katsina, oh tell us how the Civil War was a just and moral cause led by Nigeria's knight in shining armor Gowon, and after the war he put Nigeria on the path of economic success allowing the future generations of Nigerians to live in the lap of luxury. Oh don't forget his noble sidekick Buhari who took criminals to task. Nigeria's dream team :rofl: I'm so glad it turned out like that :hilarious:

i guess i am right, because you can not prove me wrong. if that is what you think i will reveal, then sorry, you are way off target

i guess i am right, because you can not prove me wrong. if that is what you think i will reveal, then sorry, you are way off target

Of course you are right because you are so much smarter than the rest of us:laugh: thank God we have you around to lead us down the right path :rofl:

I predict that you will revel that you haven't changed your underwear for 3 days :hilarious:

Of course you are right because you are so much smarter than the rest of us:laugh: thank God we have you around to lead us down the right path :rofl:

I predict that you will revel that you haven't changed your underwear for 3 days :hilarious:

it is 12am so its time to sleep, be prepared for information later, im sure you can not wait

The suspense is killing me I tell you :rofl:

what a good sleep i had, knowing that the truth is out their. this goes out to people like arinze, if you think i given wrong information or anything, just point out, or everything will be assumed as the truth, it is just my own opinion on things from 1914 to 2012, im being fair, so if you think im unfair, point out, im tired of people only pointing at one part of nigeria, lets look things from all angles

1966


january coup: first it should be clear, that the intial planning of the coup was not 100% ibo, but it was more or lese 90% but that is still a significant majority, as i have already mentioned, what happened in 1965 was marred by alot of violence with the crisis in the west boiling over, the government had basically dysfunctioned, the pm and president were not looking at each others eyes, accusations from all sides, the military saw this as a opportunity, and a coup, plotted by a majority of ibo generals overthrew the government, in what was a planned operations, akintola (the leader of nndp) was killed in ibadan, ahmadu bello (influential leader in npc), killed in kaduna, and tafawa balewa (prime minister), killed in lagos, various northerners and also westerners belonging to the nndp or allied to the npc were also killed in the january coup, as such, azikiwe was also overthrown as president but he was in london at the time as such it did not really matter, the initial announcement of the killings during the coup was kept secret, in fact balewas body was discovered by luck 6 days later, dumped in a forest near a roadside with that of several other men, the bodies of some leaders like sardauna were only official announced to most of the north after the counter coup, the initial coup did not directly announce the deaths, a day after the coup ironsi was appointed leader, other players in the coup included ifeajuna and nzeogwu, lets get in details, some things that ironsi did included, making his army considerably more eastern (but he had a few westerners and northerners on his side as well), some of the things he did however that were unacceptable and against the set up that kept the former government working, like he removed hausa from being compusory in the civil service test it meant that many northerners would lose some positions in civil service to non indigenes a mistake because he put all civil servants part of one civil service, colonel ojukwu used this change in policy to make it clear to civil servants in enugu state, that they were free to spread across nigeria including lagos, kano etc. to take up positions, he also gave many ibos within his circle key posts like making francis nwokedi sole commissioner for administrative review and i can go on , those that were captured in the coup and not killed, were transported to the east (mostly), during the coup emotions were high, the wives of northern soldiers were being taunted by the wives of southern (mainly eastern) soldiers (words of general danjuma), the picture of the nzeogwu standing on the body of sardauna was widely distributed in the markets, songs were being sang taunting northerners, to the point that ironsi threatened people 3 months in prison that were provoking northerners, the sound of machine guns was the theme of taunting for northerners, basically saying, those are the bullets that killed northern leaders in the january coup, it was turning into a ethnic over a very sensitive issue and ironsi was losing control over the situation, it turned to the worse, nelson ottah's drum magazine featured articles and photographs which directly taunted and provoked northerners, nelson ottah was sent to prison for this by ironsi, but damage was done, this directly caused a riot which killed hundreds of people, mostly of eastern extraction, another key point is that despite the initial coup, awolowo was still in prison, most would have expected him to be released because of his initial commitment to the east, but that did not even happen in the january coup, because the killings of most people in the january coup was a secret, and many people did not really have the exact details, things were going to turn for the worse in the coming months

ironsi adresses the country after the coup, on live tv

http://i.imgur.com/Hd1im.png

Yep fair is not in your vocabulary :|

this is why im saying if you consider it unfair, point out where i said things unfairly please

remember you did not want us (me and ghostx) to speak in your thread about ojukwu, i am allowing you and anyone else to come here and challenge history

Don't worry it's coming, being objective is the last thing you are :lol:

No just you I didn't want in that thread:yes:

come, if you can not challenge me i will go ahead with the counter coup and it means i am right with the events of the january coup

If you believe your version of the truth you'll always be right :rofl:

i did not say i completely right, but im not speaking trash either it is the other side of the story and i know what i am talking about, i said if you can't challenge me then that means i am right, you can laugh, but it is not a laughing matter, you are busy pointing fingers at the north everytime but here i am providing your opportunity to make it interesting im not like you i prefer people to be educated, you prefer to keep people dumb because that plays in your side, you like to call other people names but here you are provided the platform to show us what you know about nigeria and you are just quiet laughing with yourself. i dont have time, i want to move to the counter coup

You are always right in fact every word you type is ordained by God himself:hilarious:
This thread will have more balonea than a NYC deli and its only 2 pages in, oh boy I can't wait to read the Dan Katsina sanctioned and approved version of Nigerian history where the North is an innocent bystander in every event that takes place in Nigeria :popcorn: the riots during Ms. World an evil plot to blemish the North's good reputation by the South. The 2011 riots, Southerners disguised as Northerners who yet again were trying to disrupt the piece of the North :no:

In fact the South should write a formal apology for causing the North such emotional distress with its slanderous lies and falsehoods.:yes:


:hilarious: unlike you I know Nigeria's problems are everyone's fault and not just one region's fault, but facts be damned you'll try and acheive sainthood in this thread with tricks that would put Houdini to shame:lol:

Continue jor :popcorn:

im in 1966 and you're speaking about the riots of november 2002 and riots of april 2011, wait i will give those riots when we get to 2002 and 2011, and i will give the true events that caused the riots, nothing is a-b-c or 1-2-3, i am not putting the blame on anyone, but i will try to make it easier for you to make up your own mind, but because you can not even argue against the historical events even small by small, makes me believe that i am in fact right and you are just doing damage limitation with your laughs

don't like, you always blame the north for most problems, if not, why did you get me removed from the ojukwu thread for giving a different version? you have your own bias and im even giving any easterners the opportunity to argue against me, if i am in any way proven wrong, i will not be shy to admit i am wrong, but i am confident

counter coup events will be next

:yawn: post jare, what version? You were posting opinions not fact :|

1966


counter coup: without a shadow of a doubt, the counter coup had a ethnic turn, if you look at the events of the january coup, you see how things turned ethnic, with provocations, taunting, the military was dominated by a single ethnic dimension. the leadership at the top of npc had been wiped off, some of the most influential soldiers in the north wiped off. the pressure was their, people were killed, civilians, wives, families and just your average soldier of northern origin was fed up by the events of the january coup, how could it happen, why isn't anyone answering? ironsi was too secretive, the problem was too big for him to handle, the damage was done. by june, northerners, some westerners allied to the npc, people from the middle belt had already had a plan, they saw ironsi as a man who was too focused on ethnicity rather than the nation. for example in ibadan, colonel largema was killed, the man who took over was major nzefili who is of eastern extraction northerners refused to take orders from him, so ironsi appointed a northerner (of tiv extraction) to take over, it went on some parts, like kano, were shuwa took over from major okafor, but the heartache from the coup in january was not to be removed, northerners in the army were voicing their disapproval of ironsi, colonel murtala mohammed for example was vocal in his disapproval for ironsi. the fact that as i mentioned, the deaths of alot of senior people in the army and the npc was very secret and their was no official annoucement, just raised more suspicion, more tension. initially, the implications of the january coup were minimal because people didn't have so many details, the army (northern side) did not even have the full details, some of there own men they did not have a idea were they were killed, buried or if they had in fact just escaped out of nigeria. let's get the the point, in july, with mass mutiny in the army, on july 28th lt ogbonna called lagos to inform them of mutiny in the army and of killings of some soldiers allied to ironsi, but the call was by mistake connected to a northern lieutenant, this directly prepared most northerners in the army (who had initially no idea of the counter coup plans) to prepare themselves, and alerady with many people looking for answers and already vexed by the january coup, on july 29, at the government house in ibadan, ironsi was arrested by soldiers under the command of danjuma, were he was questioned about all the details of the january coup and what happened in the initial coup. within hours ironsi was dead, with him few men loyal to him. in lagos, northern troops took over, and ibo soldiers were given clemency and escaped before things boiled over. because of the phone call, things were actually slower in the north, in kaduna it took about 2 days for the coup to take effect, senior ibo soldiers were killed, kano was initially under the command of a soldier of northern origins (shuwa) who was also loyal to ironsi, he also had to flee before kano fell. things however were slower in the east because very very few northerners were stationed in the east, in parts of the midwest and the east, colonel ojukwu (to name a few) had managed to stop any northern advancement in the east, with the news coming out of the counter coup, through houses, through streets, and the answers to the questions coming out about the killings in the january coup, emotions were highest, people took matters in there own hands, violence erupted between northerners and mostly easterners, scores were killed, many people of ibo origins, fled and went back to the east, then came colonel ojukwu


hassan katsina, ojukwu, gowon, ironsi

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Ironsi-Address.jpg

Dan you're a joke idk how sold his cow to send you to school but its not working. This thread sucks and nobody respects it clearly. You also left behind the part where azikiwe freed nigeria from the british and awolowo pioneered industrialization whie the saradoona begged the british to stay and declared he wasn't a nigerian. Then the part where the treacherous bastards head was cut off and his people liberated by yibos. Nobody is going to 'contribute' to this joke. Lol at Iwhy did you make the thread'. Dan you're not a nigerian, go back to Niger, you're not a nigerian. Your father polishes yibo made shoes.

civil war history coming

Brief trollish history of Nigeria

1960: 40 million strong
1970:Idk
1980: Idk
1990: 90 million strong (I guess?)
2000: 120 million strong
2010: 160 million strong(:?)

Damn you guys are on fire!:lol::jk:

^^ source??

^^You didn't even give me time to refresh the page before demanding that.:lol:

Dan you're a joke idk how sold his cow to send you to school but its not working. This thread sucks and nobody respects it clearly. You also left behind the part where azikiwe freed nigeria from the british and awolowo pioneered industrialization whie the saradoona begged the british to stay and declared he wasn't a nigerian. Then the part where the treacherous bastards head was cut off and his people liberated by yibos. Nobody is going to 'contribute' to this joke. Lol at Iwhy did you make the thread'. Dan you're not a nigerian, go back to Niger, you're not a nigerian. Your father polishes yibo made shoes.

azikiwe freed nigeria as a journalist or as politician? false because their wouldn't have been independance if north and west leaders haven't agreed on self governance read what i said, the only thing azikiwe did was to rush things and accelrate, he succeded now look were nigeria found itself in 1965, it is not freedom, it is being short sighted, but i dont fault anyone, what is done was done

wow. dan you're an amazing entity. so the father of your nations independence did a crime by giving your country independence? lol
The country was in a great condition and ready to go. it was backwardsness in your region, which will be a permanent fixture because of an inferior work ethic, value system, and capacity to be educated, that put the country where it's at, not independence.


hell yes Azikiwe freed nigeria as a journalist AND politician. Colonial guards were out for Awolowo and bellewa (which idk what he did for nigeria unless you can name something, im being serious), they were out for Azikiwe because he was taking them on directly and demanding a free and UNITED Nigeria. It was Azikiwe that came out and asked the three regions to remain as one and advocated the idea till his death. Both bellewa and Awolowo at one point in their later carriers either denied they were Nigeria or denied nigeria's right to exist.

b75L8z1xxdI
unless this which you're watching above didn't happen. Zik of Africa is the one remembered continent wide, not the saradoona.

It was Zik that declared Nigeria is meant to exist for the purpose of restoring the dignity of man through out the world (a declaration and life mission i feel Nigeria has forgotten and MUST remember to remain one).

The idea of Nigeria restoring the dignity of the black man, or oppressed peoples through out the world is known as Zikism. It's studied in schools throughout the black world and from America i was introduced to this idea before i even knew who Azikiwe was.

It was this idea that created and alturistic Nigerian foriegn policy dedicated to the preservation of Africa. Zik's voice still influences us till this day and the more we allow it the better we'll be. Awolowo advocated the advancement of Nigeria through free education and industrialization. That resonates with use today. What is bellewa's legacy? what contribution to the betterment of man or even his people did he or the saradoona propose? void of ideas, void of hope and blaming the optimistic for your hopelessness. pele.

wow. dan you're an amazing entity. so the father of your nations independence did a crime by giving your country independence? lol
The country was in a great condition and ready to go. it was backwardsness in your region, which will be a permanent fixture because of an inferior work ethic, value system, and capacity to be educated, that put the country where it's at, not independence.


hell yes Azikiwe freed nigeria as a journalist AND politician. Colonial guards were out for Awolowo and bellewa (which idk what he did for nigeria unless you can name something, im being serious), they were out for Azikiwe because he was taking them on directly and demanding a free and UNITED Nigeria. It was Azikiwe that came out and asked the three regions to remain as one and advocated the idea till his death. Both bellewa and Awolowo at one point in their later carriers either denied they were Nigeria or denied nigeria's right to exist.

b75L8z1xxdI
unless this which you're watching above didn't happen. Zik of Africa is the one remembered continent wide, not the saradoona.

how was he a father did he lead nigeria to liberation? no, he just convinced other zones to go with self governance to secure a united nigeria's independance, are you saying that your hero ojukwu was crazy, because he went against what azikiwe stood for and was the most senior person to denounce ojukwu's plans. i dont understand you guys, why do you only use azikiwe when it is on your side but also ojukwu, 2 different people, their is a reason why azikiwe is not that popular in the east or even nigeria as a whole (his resting place is even in ruins)

It was Zik that declared Nigeria is meant to exist for the purpose of restoring the dignity of man through out the world (a declaration and life mission i feel Nigeria has forgotten and MUST remember to remain one).

The idea of Nigeria restoring the dignity of the black man, or oppressed peoples through out the world is known as Zikism. It's studied in schools throughout the black world and from America i was introduced to this idea before i even knew who Azikiwe was.

It was this idea that created and alturistic Nigerian foriegn policy dedicated to the preservation of Africa. Zik's voice still influences us till this day and the more we allow it the better we'll be. Awolowo advocated the advancement of Nigeria through free education and industrialization. That resonates with use today. What is bellewa's legacy? what contribution to the betterment of man or even his people did he or the saradoona propose? void of ideas, void of hope and blaming the optimistic for your hopelessness. pele.
azikiwe did not want nigeria to exist because it restores dignity of people, he did so because he wanted independance per british terms, the north could have gained independance and have own state even if their was no agreement with azikiwe or awo, being together just accelerated things do you think that the east would have gained independance by itself without the north and the west?
since when do you discuss awo as a influence? i have a level of respect for awo but the east hates awo with a passion, most you guys consider him a traitor for going against biafra in the civil war, why are you talking about awo? was he by the east when you decided to go crazy on nigeria?. the idea of azikiwe is funny even with you easterners, you consider ojukwu the king of ibos, and consider azikiwe's ideology as influential, yet azikiwe and ojukwu were the complete opposite, aren you the same guy who was crying when ojukwu was buried calling him your hero?

Ramble much, try saying it again in English.

Kinda laugh the way he pronounces some words but still you get the gist of nigeria

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how was he a father did he lead nigeria to liberation? no, he just convinced other zones to go with self governance to secure a united nigeria's independance, are you saying that your hero ojukwu was crazy, because he went against what azikiwe stood for and was the most senior person to denounce ojukwu's plans. i dont understand you guys, why do you only use azikiwe when it is on your side but also ojukwu, 2 different people, their is a reason why azikiwe is not that popular in the east or even nigeria as a whole (his resting place is even in ruins)
I respect both men because they were two men with two ideals that risked with lives to achieve it. leadership. leaders. Where has the Emir of Sokoto led any of you lol.

Azikiwe is the father of Nigerian independence. Ojukwu defened and inspired his people when they were being threatened with extinction. There's no reason one can't respect both of these men. What just listed what Azikiwe did whether you like him or not. what now can you say that the saradoona of Sokoto?

azikiwe did not want nigeria to exist because it restores dignity of people, he did so because he wanted independance per british terms, the north could have gained independance and have own state even if their was no agreement with azikiwe or awo, being together just accelerated things do you think that the east would have gained independance by itself without the north and the west?
since when do you discuss awo as a influence? i have a level of respect for awo but the east hates awo with a passion, most you guys consider him a traitor for going against biafra in the civil war, why are you talking about awo? was he by the east when you decided to go crazy on nigeria?. the idea of azikiwe is funny even with you easterners, you consider ojukwu the king of ibos, and consider azikiwe's ideology as influential, yet azikiwe and ojukwu were the complete opposite, aren you the same guy who was crying when ojukwu was buried calling him your hero?
im directly quoting his speech and writings. you can watch the video above because it was posted for a reason. and it was the north that wanted british terms because they were afraid of igbo domination due to the disproportion of development and education and already high number of igbos in top civil service positions. You can try to bend history to favor your ego but that's what happened in Nigeria. The North and the West eventually agreed but he was the primary factor in making this happen. People we not fighting for independence the way Zik was and this is know in universities all over the world. My history book in america bare's Zik's picture. nobody elses.

I respect both men because they were two men with two ideals that risked with lives to achieve it. leadership. leaders. Where has the Emir of Sokoto led any of you lol.

Azikiwe is the father of Nigerian independence. Ojukwu defened and inspired his people when they were being threatened with extinction. There's no reason one can't respect both of these men. What just listed what Azikiwe did whether you like him or not. what now can you say that the saradoona of Sokoto?


im directly quoting his speech and writings. you can watch the video above because it was posted for a reason. and it was the north that wanted british terms because they were afraid of igbo domination due to the disproportion of development and education and already high number of igbos in top civil service positions. You can try to bend history to favor your ego but that's what happened in Nigeria. The North and the West eventually agreed but he was the primary factor in making this happen. People we not fighting for independence the way Zik was and this is know in universities all over the world. My history book in america bare's Zik's picture. nobody elses.

azikiwe was ibo himself why didn't he see that ibos were being massacred? why did he disagree with the biafra concept? ojukwu and azikiwe were the same tribe but the complete opposite but you find ways to celebrate both

did you know that the north, the west and the east had complete opposite policies? the npc was clear in the positions of northerners in the north, you probably think that before 1960 the whole nigeria was binded by the same politic, ibos not being allowed in northern civil position was just a order of how things were to be, nigeria was completely differently ran until 1960, for example right after the coup people like ojukwu moved alot of easterners to the north after they abolished hausa being the language compusory in the civil service test, the east was hungry for positions in the north, awolowo was even against civil service positions in the west being occupied by non yoruba, northerners never had that hunger in the south, northerners were not interested in occupying positions that usually are reserved for southerners be it the west or the east but ibos had other ideas by large, that is also what akintola later realised

They didn't have the education, stop trying to play us for fools. The reason why the British had people from the West and East flood the Northern civil services was because they had the education. The Hausa language test and quotas were all done to bump up local numbers but the education lagged in the North. Stop trying to save face and admit that the North hated the fact that they wanted better jobs but lacked the education.

Why would they want Southern jobs when they couldn't get jobs in their own territory with accommodations set aside for them. You honestly think Sarduana was noble or some crap.

They didn't have the education, stop trying to play us for fools. The reason why the British had people from the West and East flood the Northern civil services was because they had the education. The Hausa language test and quotas were all done to bump up local numbers but the education lagged in the North. Stop trying to save face and admit that the North hated the fact that they wanted better jobs but lacked the education.

Why would they want Southern jobs when they couldn't get jobs in their own territory with accommodations set aside for them. You honestly think Sarduana was noble or some crap.

he ibo saviours came to the north to develop the illiterate northerners. is that what you believe? that is rubbish, i guess yorubaland was also so uneducated that is why you flocked their? the northernization policy was against southerners taking what northerners can do were not as incompetent as you believe, northerners taking up northern positions were just empowerment, the reason why southerners were taken up positions with the british was not because they were educated unless you consider christianity as education, easterners especially were desperate because the south east had nothing, so those easterners in europe did they go their because the people in europe are uneducated? no, because the east has nothing, no offense my friend its just thetruth, you don't find a carpenter willing to build a house outside his own home when he doesn't have a place he can call home

he ibo saviours came to the north to develop the illiterate northerners. is that what you believe? that is rubbish, i guess yorubaland was also so uneducated that is why you flocked their? the northernization policy was against southerners taking what northerners can do were not as incompetent as you believe, northerners taking up northern positions were just empowerment, the reason why southerners were taken up positions with the british was not because they were educated unless you consider christianity as education, easterners especially were desperate because the south east had nothing, so those easterners in europe did they go their because the people in europe are uneducated? no, because the east has nothing, no offense my friend its just thetruth, you don't find a carpenter willing to build a house outside his own home when he doesn't have a place he can call home

The east had nothing????...truely I don't know where you get our sources from, this sooooo utter crap. It is on record that eastern Nigeria had one of the fastest growing economy in the world; and all this from NOTHING!!??!!...Dan Katsina you seem to be a reasonable chap from your previous posts, albeit a misinformed one, unlike that semi illiterate buffoon ghostx, just that your post are littered with inconsistencies, half-truths which only proves the state of education regarding our history is in a sorry state. I recommend you show the sources of your statements to only prove its validity.

He's a fucking tribalist, and I just love how he's showing his ass for the world. It seems the Sarduna taught his boys well :applause: and as a reward has given the Boko Haram. You've made your bed now go and lie in it, I just tell folks from the South leave and go home.

It's One Nigeria when it's on your terms. May Allah bless you region with more of Boko Haram's mischief.

azikiwe was ibo himself why didn't he see that ibos were being massacred? why did he disagree with the biafra concept? ojukwu and azikiwe were the same tribe but the complete opposite but you find ways to celebrate both

did you know that the north, the west and the east had complete opposite policies? the npc was clear in the positions of northerners in the north, you probably think that before 1960 the whole nigeria was binded by the same politic, ibos not being allowed in northern civil position was just a order of how things were to be, nigeria was completely differently ran until 1960, for example right after the coup people like ojukwu moved alot of easterners to the north after they abolished hausa being the language compusory in the civil service test, the east was hungry for positions in the north, awolowo was even against civil service positions in the west being occupied by non yoruba, northerners never had that hunger in the south, northerners were not interested in occupying positions that usually are reserved for southerners be it the west or the east but ibos had other ideas by large, that is also what akintola later realised


The idea of what Nigeria is to be has been an argument amidst igbo minds, more so then Hausa ones.

Zik wanted Nigeria to exist and be united under federal pretenses
Ironsi wanted Nigeria to exist and be a unitary divisible structure
Ojukwu wanted Nigerians to be able to decide if they wish to remain in the union.



These three men were the ones bold enough to make Nigeria. Did Eisenhower, of german decent, not defeat the germans? It's very backwards thinking to believe that all igbos will agree on all issues. We have brave individuals that think for themselves and have always been know for this. The difference is our thoughts have molded history while I remain to find the example of change the saradoona made on Nigeria other then being the sperm of a king.


The Nigerian narrative has almost always been based on the activities of the igbo people. My own great grand mother was in the Aba Women's Riots, which was the beginning of the end for colonialism in Nigeria and the beginning of the Nigerian Feminist movement which i also find funny you left out of you 'history' thread.

The north, as it is today, was tired of igbo domination in their terrain and Nzeogwu's coup (nigeria's first, still igbo) gave them the pretense to begin the bloodshed (primary northern contribution to nigeria)

Kinda laugh the way he pronounces some words but still you get the gist of nigeria

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what an over simplistic video//....... when did Yoruba become a "Christian ethnic group"??

Tuesday :? :lol: Is that all you saw and stopped :lol: Yorubas are Christian I cant even watch anymore :rofl:

The Lies of History: Disclaimer, I'm not ibo or yoruba or hausa.

FIrst Lie: The north won the elections of 1960...
Fact check: Recent memoirs by former colonial officers states that the elections were rigged by the British!! John bull did not want to leave the independent Nigeria in the hands of southern radicals(east and west were percieved) Source: Harold smith publication, 1992

2nd lie:North is majority in Nigeria...
Fact check: British Home Office according to Harold smith manuscript falsified Nigerian census, giving the North an artificial majority. The census was and is based on head counts and multiplied by acreage of landmass, irrespective of actual population densities.

3rd lie:igbos were the only ones that wanted to seceed.
Fact Check: Afr the coup in 1966, he north had also talked about secession, then actively proded by the British govement. "you have the whole cake, while settle for half"

4th Lie: Awolowo is a Nigerian first
Fact check: Awolowo actually considers himself a yoruba first, he is the true tribalist

5th Lie:Yoruba are traitors to the igbos
Fact check:Depends on how you look at it. Awolowo did betray ojukwu. Ojukwu came to tell Awolowo about plans to seceed, and Awolowo subsequently joined the federal govt of Gowon but there were other yorubas like soyinka supported the Igbo cause

......to be continued

He's a fucking tribalist, and I just love how he's showing his ass for the world. It seems the Sarduna taught his boys well :applause: and as a reward has given the Boko Haram. You've made your bed now go and lie in it, I just tell folks from the South leave and go home.

It's One Nigeria when it's on your terms. May Allah bless you region with more of Boko Haram's mischief.

i am not a tribalist, i dont want southerners to leave the north, especially those that know no home but the north, it is unfair especially for kids that know nothing, that's not a legacy we want for the future
however we also needs respect on all sides, northerners have to respect that some things southerners do are not what we do, and southerners have to respect that northerners adhere to certain laws and peace between everyone will come naturally, you have no right to tell someone to leave, northerners have never given warnings or policies on southerners to leave the north, we are not in a warzone people are making a living
you are born in america and i dont think you will want to leave america as it will be unfair you know no better place, the same can be said for many southerners in the north, i dont want it to end up that way and i think you are reacting and really not being realistic, thats the problem we are facing, too many reactionaries, in nigeria when it is good everyone is content, but when heads get against each other, its a case of let us divide, let us leave the north and all kinds of rubbish

The east had nothing????...truely I don't know where you get our sources from, this sooooo utter crap. It is on record that eastern Nigeria had one of the fastest growing economy in the world; and all this from NOTHING!!??!!...Dan Katsina you seem to be a reasonable chap from your previous posts, albeit a misinformed one, unlike that semi illiterate buffoon ghostx, just that your post are littered with inconsistencies, half-truths which only proves the state of education regarding our history is in a sorry state. I recommend you show the sources of your statements to only prove its validity.

the east did not offer much for its people ask the young people that risk death to leave the east, in maiduguri a ibo trader said in clear words that he will risk his own life and will not leave for safety, if their were opportunities in the east he would leave, i know people from yobe and bauchi that left at the height of the violence and started clean in places like kano and sokoto which are more guarenteed of peace, the lure to the east of the northerners and westerners was for trading, you will hardly find many non easterners holding key positions be it as a lawyer, doctor, civil service etc. in the east and it is not because the rest of nigeria is uneducated, but because the east does not even have enough for its people, you have qualified engineers working for banks in the east, while someone with a engineering degree can easily find a job in somewhere like lagos or abuja or kaduna, the migration of easterners to places like lagos and kano was not because the people in those areas were more stupid, it was more because of lack opportunities in the east

The idea of what Nigeria is to be has been an argument amidst igbo minds, more so then Hausa ones.

Zik wanted Nigeria to exist and be united under federal pretenses
Ironsi wanted Nigeria to exist and be a unitary divisible structure
Ojukwu wanted Nigerians to be able to decide if they wish to remain in the union.



These three men were the ones bold enough to make Nigeria. Did Eisenhower, of german decent, not defeat the germans? It's very backwards thinking to believe that all igbos will agree on all issues. We have brave individuals that think for themselves and have always been know for this. The difference is our thoughts have molded history while I remain to find the example of change the saradoona made on Nigeria other then being the sperm of a king.


The Nigerian narrative has almost always been based on the activities of the igbo people. My own great grand mother was in the Aba Women's Riots, which was the beginning of the end for colonialism in Nigeria and the beginning of the Nigerian Feminist movement which i also find funny you left out of you 'history' thread.

The north, as it is today, was tired of igbo domination in their terrain and Nzeogwu's coup (nigeria's first, still igbo) gave them the pretense to begin the bloodshed (primary northern contribution to nigeria)

nigeria would not exist without the mind of hausa or yoruba too, nigera was AGREED, not IMPOSED, the likes of sardauna, akintola, balewa you can name them including your own (ironsi), died for this, ojukwu did not die for nigeria or biafra, he fled. aba womens protest did not end colonialsm, it was only protested for women frmo the east, if im correct the system that they were rioting on was way different the one we had in the north, i did not mention it because it did not have a national effect.
the first coup just highlighted what everyone believed about the ibo, and i think even people like awolowo and many yoruba who before the coup had sympathy for the east realised

the east did not offer much for its people ask the young people that risk death to leave the east, in maiduguri a ibo trader said in clear words that he will risk his own life and will not leave for safety, if their were opportunities in the east he would leave, i know people from yobe and bauchi that left at the height of the violence and started clean in places like kano and sokoto which are more guarenteed of peace, the lure to the east of the northerners and westerners was for trading, you will hardly find many non easterners holding key positions be it as a lawyer, doctor, civil service etc. in the east and it is not because the rest of nigeria is uneducated, but because the east does not even have enough for its people, you have qualified engineers working for banks in the east, while someone with a engineering degree can easily find a job in somewhere like lagos or abuja or kaduna, the migration of easterners to places like lagos and kano was not because the people in those areas were more stupid, it was more because of lack opportunities in the east

The reason the east couldn't cater for it's skilled masses was not because it had nothing as you erroneously put it, but that its fast growing educated/skilled population had outgrown it's increasing, but still limited industries at that time. Its a fact that the east although started in disadvantage position of being the last region to come into contact with western education had wiped out their handicap with "fantastic burst of energy from 1930's to 1950's" (the trouble with Nigeria: 1983). The east with it's limited landmass and emerging economy was simply inadequate to cater for all it's workforce.

i am not a tribalist, i dont want southerners to leave the north, especially those that know no home but the north, it is unfair especially for kids that know nothing, that's not a legacy we want for the future
however we also needs respect on all sides, northerners have to respect that some things southerners do are not what we do, and southerners have to respect that northerners adhere to certain laws and peace between everyone will come naturally, you have no right to tell someone to leave, northerners have never given warnings or policies on southerners to leave the north, we are not in a warzone people are making a living
you are born in america and i dont think you will want to leave america as it will be unfair you know no better place, the same can be said for many southerners in the north, i dont want it to end up that way and i think you are reacting and really not being realistic, thats the problem we are facing, too many reactionaries, in nigeria when it is good everyone is content, but when heads get against each other, its a case of let us divide, let us leave the north and all kinds of rubbish

Yes you are dude its clear as day. Continue telling yourself whatever you like my friend :cheers:

No they should leave, God forbid your madness come out and they end up victims of it. In fact everyone should leave the North to Northerners, that's what you guys have wanted for 51 years, let everyone give it to you. While every nation is progressing its folks like you that want to behave like your forefathers in 323 AD :banana:

Oho who needs warnings when tomorrow because someone insults Islam a continent away thugs descend on the streets in the North killing innocent people :crazy:

Who will make me leave America? :lol: My ancestors fought for the right to stay here, I'm not leaving unless by choice:cheers:

The reason the east couldn't cater for it's skilled masses was not because it had nothing as you erroneously put it, but that its fast growing educated/skilled population had outgrown it's increasing, but still limited industries at that time. Its a fact that the east although started in disadvantage position of being the last region to come into contact with western education had wiped out their handicap with "fantastic burst of energy from 1930's to 1950's" (the trouble with Nigeria: 1983). The east with it's limited landmass and emerging economy was simply inadequate to cater for all it's workforce.

Thank you for explaining it to him :applause: after slavery it was Palm oil from the East that the British relied on, so when has the East been lacking:crazy: Oil, Gas, etc

I have no idea why he takes offense to the fact that education in the North was poor at the time. Its not saying that the people were ignorant, it means that the certification was largely not there :crazy: If a job requires a high school diploma and you don't have one, it doesn't mean you are stupid you just haven't met the requirements needed for a job. And in the Missionary schools that was what people were taught in addition to Christianity, basic skills. There were few missionary schools in the North and the schools that were there were not teaching the skills need for the jobs which is why the British often relied on Southerners to work in the North. The South East is not a big place so competition for jobs is stiff there, contrast it to the North where positions were open in large amounts, if you need a job where are you going to go :|

The reason the east couldn't cater for it's skilled masses was not because it had nothing as you erroneously put it, but that its fast growing educated/skilled population had outgrown it's increasing, but still limited industries at that time. Its a fact that the east although started in disadvantage position of being the last region to come into contact with western education had wiped out their handicap with "fantastic burst of energy from 1930's to 1950's" (the trouble with Nigeria: 1983). The east with it's limited landmass and emerging economy was simply inadequate to cater for all it's workforce.

so i asked you a question, today the ethnicity which migrates out of nigeria to europe and america the most is from the east, do they do so because in the east their too many educated and skilled people so much they can't cater them all? since when do you have too many doctors, engineers, scientists? in the east people are begging for qualified people, a lack of engineers, doctors etc. easterners that are profesionals elsewhere will tell you that the money that they can make in the east is too little that is why they don't return, and those that return will usually go to lagos or abuja because salaries are more competitive
if the east was so advanced why did it need foreign doctors and medical interns to help during the civil war? you are basically saying what i am saying, the east could not keep its workforce happy, the terms were not adequate and who provided better money? a better environment? the north and the west,
so i don't want to hear about the north being uneducated and lacking the skills, if you are going to send every emeka to take up every position in the north because the east cannot cater for all, none will be left for indigenes, its just common sense

Yes you are dude its clear as day. Continue telling yourself whatever you like my friend :cheers:

No they should leave, God forbid your madness come out and they end up victims of it. In fact everyone should leave the North to Northerners, that's what you guys have wanted for 51 years, let everyone give it to you. While every nation is progressing its folks like you that want to behave like your forefathers in 323 AD :banana:

Oho who needs warnings when tomorrow because someone insults Islam a continent away thugs descend on the streets in the North killing innocent people :crazy:

Who will make me leave America? :lol: My ancestors fought for the right to stay here, I'm not leaving unless by choice:cheers:

i am not a tribalist so you know me better than i know myself.
go and tell 1million+ southerners in the north that have set up there own families in the north and spend 20 years to leave, its easy for you because you are settled, if someone tells you to leave america you will struggle. we may have wanted separation, but that phase is over, you can't have it your own terms, why didn't your forefather (azikiwe) let everyone go there own separate ways, the phase is over now, we have to live with this, separation overnight will lead to a bloody conflict, because how do you want to separate nigeria? where do you start?
hate speech is a crime in nigeria, according to the law of nigeria if you insult muslims or anyone for that matter, christian be it, you can sit for over 5 years, do you think you can just insult people and go away with it, i realised that is the mindset of the east you think you can only insult, northerners don't insult people that way, you insult people words can kill, you still don't want to learn from anything stop being stubborn and realise that people don't take insults the same way, sometimes you can joke but don't come to insult muslims, it is not only against nigeria's law but you will put yourself and others in danger, someone's reaction can't be fault, you should know better, why should you be scared of living in the north all because you are scared you may say something offensive, as muslims we are told to care the quran in a certain way, we are told to say peace and blessings to the prophets including jesus (isa), why should someone do something that we don't do to anyone else? don't speak about barabrism, nothing is more barbaric than venomous words, calculation of what comes out of your mouth makes the difference between you being wise or stupid

so i asked you a question, today the ethnicity which migrates out of nigeria to europe and america the most is from the east, do they do so because in the east their too many educated and skilled people so much they can't cater them all? since when do you have too many doctors, engineers, scientists? in the east people are begging for qualified people, a lack of engineers, doctors etc. easterners that are profesionals elsewhere will tell you that the money that they can make in the east is too little that is why they don't return, and those that return will usually go to lagos or abuja because salaries are more competitive
if the east was so advanced why did it need foreign doctors and medical interns to help during the civil war? you are basically saying what i am saying, the east could not keep its workforce happy, the terms were not adequate and who provided better money? a better environment? the north and the west,
so i don't want to hear about the north being uneducated and lacking the skills, if you are going to send every emeka to take up every position in the north because the east cannot cater for all, none will be left for indigenes, its just common sense

Dude...I was referring to your earlier statement where you said that the east had " nothing" remember? Or has your recollection betrayed you? Just to repeat myself, again, the east had a growing but limited economic base which could not cater for all it's skilled/educated masses. I never said the region was so advanced. For crying out loud it was barely out of independence. What you had was a fledging economy as with the rest of the country. Common sense will tell you that the north and west offered alternative opportunity for the highly mobile easterner. As for your civil war comment; the east was the theatre of war subjected to arial raids on cities and villages etc Regarding foreign personnel. It was war situation that decimating the regional and FLEDGING economy. You may not want to face the truth since it puts your region in a negative light, but if the north could have matched the south skill wise then why didn't it's citizens compete directly for the jobs on offer in their backyard. Whoever were the employers obviously saw a more competent employee from the south and that's why they flooded your region which has irritated your likes to this day.

Dude...I was referring to your earlier statement where you said that the east had " nothing" remember? Or has your recollection betrayed you? Just to repeat myself, again, the east had a growing but limited economic base which could not cater for all it's skilled/educated masses. I never said the region was so advanced. For crying out loud it was barely out of independence. What you had was a fledging economy as with the rest of the country. Common sense will tell you that the north and west offered alternative opportunity for the highly mobile easterner. As for your civil war comment; the east was the theatre of war subjected to arial raids on cities and villages etc Regarding foreign personnel. It was war situation that decimating the regional and FLEDGING economy. You may not want to face the truth since it puts your region in a negative light, but if the north could have matched the south skill wise then why didn't it's citizens compete directly for the jobs on offer in their backyard. Whoever were the employers obviously saw a more competent employee from the south and that's why they flooded your region which has irritated your likes to this day.

when i said the east had nothing i did not say it did not have resources, i meant that the east had nothing for it's skilled people and that is true, read correctly.
yes sir, the north and west offered alternatives because the east for what the east lacked the north and the west provided, it is not as arinze was saying that the north is uneducated, according to her the easterners only went to the north because the northerners are so stupid and only people from the east could take up positions how misinforming was that?
the northernization policy was not because northerners were incompetent, it was to tackle an issue which was going out of control, at the time the biggest fear was getting people agitated this was national and as you saw what i said one of the mistakes that ojukwu was taking jobless civil servants from enugu and taking them to the north and that was one of the factors that also caused the counter coup,
many leaders in nigeria realised similar policies of prioritising the indigenes, yoruba did as did the east, do you even know what is competition? competition is invited you dont have competition at will,how would you feel if i come in your house and take over the administration of your house, will you accept competition or will you ask me to leave? take zones as houses

so i asked you a question, today the ethnicity which migrates out of nigeria to europe and america the most is from the east, do they do so because in the east their too many educated and skilled people so much they can't cater them all? since when do you have too many doctors, engineers, scientists? in the east people are begging for qualified people, a lack of engineers, doctors etc. easterners that are profesionals elsewhere will tell you that the money that they can make in the east is too little that is why they don't return, and those that return will usually go to lagos or abuja because salaries are more competitive
if the east was so advanced why did it need foreign doctors and medical interns to help during the civil war? you are basically saying what i am saying, the east could not keep its workforce happy, the terms were not adequate and who provided better money? a better environment? the north and the west,
so i don't want to hear about the north being uneducated and lacking the skills, if you are going to send every emeka to take up every position in the north because the east cannot cater for all, none will be left for indigenes, its just common sense

How do you know who migrates :nuts:? Are you at Murtala Muhammad checking the ethnicity of passengers... or Nnamdi Azikwe? Last time I checked the United States on recognizes Nigerian and not Igbo...you see why I say you are tribalistic :cheers:

Can you please show us your facts :banana:

i am not a tribalist so you know me better than i know myself.
go and tell 1million+ southerners in the north that have set up there own families in the north and spend 20 years to leave, its easy for you because you are settled, if someone tells you to leave america you will struggle. we may have wanted separation, but that phase is over, you can't have it your own terms, why didn't your forefather (azikiwe) let everyone go there own separate ways, the phase is over now, we have to live with this, separation overnight will lead to a bloody conflict, because how do you want to separate nigeria? where do you start?
hate speech is a crime in nigeria, according to the law of nigeria if you insult muslims or anyone for that matter, christian be it, you can sit for over 5 years, do you think you can just insult people and go away with it, i realised that is the mindset of the east you think you can only insult, northerners don't insult people that way, you insult people words can kill, you still don't want to learn from anything stop being stubborn and realise that people don't take insults the same way, sometimes you can joke but don't come to insult muslims, it is not only against nigeria's law but you will put yourself and others in danger, someone's reaction can't be fault, you should know better, why should you be scared of living in the north all because you are scared you may say something offensive, as muslims we are told to care the quran in a certain way, we are told to say peace and blessings to the prophets including jesus (isa), why should someone do something that we don't do to anyone else? don't speak about barabrism, nothing is more barbaric than venomous words, calculation of what comes out of your mouth makes the difference between you being wise or stupid


Yes there are a lot of people in the world who are racist and don't know they are racist, you are tribalistic and just either don't know or pretend not to know, pick your choice :cheers: its all the same.

Like I said if you value your life then you leave, all this fake crying you are doing really does not change my opinion one way or the other. If a man wants to kill me and I can kill him first, I will retreat until I can figure out another plan :cheers:

Who will tell me to leave America? No one jare :| I don't need to struggle, I earned my spot :cool:

Well lets see, if Nigeria had waited on Sarduana's time who wanted the British to stay indefinitely, Nigeria would still be a colony of the UK today:banana:

Can I separate Nigeria from you? In fact pack your bags and all the idiots that think like you bags and leave and go to the North Pole permanently:cheers:


:yawn: Talking badly about Islam/Christianity is not a hate crime :lol:

Your justification for murder is the reason why Boko Haram will continue to bomb Kano 30x over in Jesus name. If an insult is enough to kill someone then you are a stupid idiot not fit to be called an adult, only children think like that. So there's the answer the North is full of children who have yet to grow up:banana: No wonder the North will forever remain backwards, forwards never backwards forever :nuts:


Like I said you are a tribalism junkie, what mindset of the East? Go sit down you grade school flunky. God should pity you by striking you down where you stand, your type of stupidity is why Nigeria looks the way it does 51 years later.

The Nigerian case was markedly different as the British divide and rule policy segregated the educational services of the two protectorates and maintained this policy long after the amalgamation, thereby making the kind of educational interaction that Anderson discusses impossible. The educational systems of the two regions were amalgamated only in 1929.Western missionary education arrived the South as early as the middle of the 19th century as Christian conversions progressed side by side with Western education. Indeed the latter was the medium of missionary work. Southern animism gradually gave way to Christian practices and Western liberal education gained ground rapidly as missionary schools were set up in many provinces. By the first decade of the 20th century, many Southerners had become profoundly educated and a handful of them had gone to London for professional studies. One major feature of this education was that it was largely unregulated; the missionaries were allowed to formulate curriculum and syllabuses as they wished. Thus, subjects such as history, literature and psychology were freely taught. The result was the creation of a large pool of educated Southerners whose intellectual faculties had been acutely and liberally aroused. This ran counter to British educational desire, which privileged the training of clerks and vocational workers for the British colonial bureaucracy. The colonial system simply had no room for this class of professionals and liberally educated Southerners. Hence it has been argued that unemployment and British indifference to and contempt for this class drove its members into the radical anti-British nationalism of the 1920s and 1930s.The British did not intend to let the ‘mistake’ of the South, that is, the unregulated spread of Western liberal education repeat itself in the North, so Lugard, the first Governor of Northern Nigeria, prevented missionaries from operating in the Muslim North ostensibly out of respect for Islam and Islamic education. Pressures from missionaries between 1900 and 1909 yielded no fruit. Lugard and subsequent British administrators of the North took measures to preserve the educational gap between the North and the South in spite of requests by some Northern emirs like Sanusi of Kano for missionary schools. In this period the provision of joint educational facilities for the North and the South seemed quite remote even though the provision of liberal Western education in the North might have brought the people closer to the Occident and, therefore, closer to the South at least ideologically. As educational integration did not accord with the British policy of disciplining and limiting what they say as dangerous radicalism in the South, the colonial authorities blocked any movement towards educational uniformity. Instead, the colonial government in the North supported Koranic education and made it clear that the North was to be protected against the ‘contamination’ of Southern radicalism with which the colonial authority in Lagos had been fighting a recurring battle since the late 19th century. Lugard particularly believed that:The preaching of equality of Europeans and natives, however true from doctrinal point of view, is apt to be misapplied by people in low stage of development, and interpreted to mean abolition of class distinction (Coleman, 137)Similarly, he noted that “the premature teaching of English…. inevitably leads to utter disrespect for British and native ideals alike, and to a denationalized and disorganized population.” When therefore the government released its educational plan in 1910, a plan which remained in operation with little revision till 1929, it contained the proposal for a carefully controlled education whose aim was literacy in Arabic and Hausa, the training of clerks, training of gardeners, agriculturalists and vocational workers. With the sustained implementation of this educational policy, Northern exclusivity and separate development was secured on a firm footing and the possibility of the ideological and cultural intercourse between North and South put in acute jeopardy.The long-term impact of the educational exclusion of the North was twofold. First, the North remained grossly undereducated in Western education terms. As late as 1951 there was only one university graduate of northern origin. Second, it strengthened the role of the Northern oligarchy, a pressure group of Northern traditional rulers and their clients, whose opposition to cooperation with the South was as vehement as their invocation of their adopted Eastern, Islamic heritage. This class of Northern elites would later constitute themselves into an obstacle to national ideological integration during the pre-independence constitutional conferences, popularizing an ideology of gradualism that was a euphemism for maintaining a status quo in which they were profitably invested. In fairness to the Northern establishment, the Southern elites and their newspaper propaganda had concentrated more on the denigration of the North and its institutions than on the discrediting of British rule, the North being constantly used as a canon-fodder to attack and illustrate the failures of British policies. Moreover the educational backwardness of the North made it impossible to extend the nationalist newspaper network to the territory, especially since these newspapers were also profit-oriented, market-driven enterprises. But Southern disdain for the North was also partly to blame for this as a majority of the Northern population was Arabic-literate and the Southern elites, had they sought to create a national consciousness and a pan-Nigerian nationalism, could have employed the medium of an Arabic newspaper to reach out to the North. Thus the dilemma of the North, which revolved, according to Moyibi Amoda (1972:42), around the question of “whether (it) could contain the Orient and the Occident without being a victim of cultural schizophrenia,” was also a dilemma of the South, which was similarly wary of ‘Northern/Oriental influence.’ It was not until after the Second World War when the British signaled decolonization by initiating constitutional debates and conferences that the Southern elite, recognizing the inevitability of an independent Nigerian nation comprising the North and the South, began to initiate a belated pan- Nigerian nationalist struggle.The Northern elite, far from being political greenhorns as they were portrayed in the Southern press, interpreted this belated Southern effort as an attempt to manipulate the North for a Southern dominance of a future self-governing Nigeria and therefore refused to cooperate with the Southern anti-British efforts. This attracted further denigration from the Southern press, which described the Norther elites as ‘conservatives’ and as people who were not sensitive to their freedom—people who preferred domination over independence. The problem was more profound; it revolved around the unwillingness of the Islamic power structure of the North to subordinate its Islamo-Oriental identity to the looming imperative of Nigerian independence, an independence process that was indexed by Western models of government and jurisprudence and was thus a subject of intense suspicion in the North. The compromise necessary to forge a true national union was not forthcoming from the South or the North. The former was steeped in a learned cultural arrogance that brooked no call for reconciliation with the cultural and religious preferences of the Islamic North. Conversely, the North enjoyed and cherished its exclusivity and despised the Southern attitude towards its worldview. In fact as early as 1943 a key figure in the Northern oligarchy and the editor of the first newspaper in the North, Gaskiya ta fi Kwabo, after refusing to associate with Nnamdi Azikiwe and other Southern members of a Nigerian press delegation to London, told them that We despise each other… we call each other ignorant; the South is proud of Western knowledge and culture; we are proud of Eastern culture. To tell you the plain truth, the people of the North put more confidence in the white man than in their black Southern brothers” (Coleman, 360). Throughout the constitutional negotiations between 1946 and 1957 the North minced no words in declaring its intention to remain an autonomous and exclusive region, if it must remain in Nigeria. Using its numerical advantage, it virtually held the constitutional talks to ransom, insisting not only on complete regional autonomy with separate foreign policy (to enable it maintain affiliation with the Islamic world), but also threatening to secede from Nigeria if it was not given 50% of the seats in the legislative assembly due to take off in 1953. The British, not willing to see its amalgamation of 1914 undermined, decided to “satisfy the agitation of the North for separate and independent development” by entrenching regionalism and regional autonomy into the constitution of 1946 and maintaining (even reinforcing) it in the revisions of 1954 and 1957.Regionalism became a centrifugal political phenomenon which further widened the political and cultural gap between the North and the South, so that even on the question of independence it was not possible to forge a North-South consensus. The South proposed self-government in 1956 but the North insisted on the phrase “as soon as practicable”; at which the Southern delegation booed the Northern delegation, calling them stooges of the British. The Sardauna of Sokoto and the leader of the northern delegation declared in response that “the mistake of 1914 (the amalgamation) has come to light.” This statement reflected the deep-seated conviction of the Northerners that they did not fit with the South and that they should therefore never have been brought together in one colonial state.This period witnessed the formation and the strengthening of regional parties. The Northern Peoples Congress (NPC), which was hurriedly formed in 1949 to be a platform of Northern bargaining in the new political dispensation was firmly entrenched in the North.[i] In the south the National Council for Nigeria and Cameroon (NCNC), which prior to the 1950s, had a pan-Southern spread retreated more or less into the heartland of Southeastern Nigeria, while the Action Group (AG) became the dominant party in the Southwest. The South, failing to draw the North out of its cultural and political cocoon, was moving to protect its base. The regional nationalisms of this period differ markedly from the trend in other West African colonies where relatively mass-based, monolithic, and rabidly centralist anti-colonial movements were emerging. In Ghana, Mali and Ivory Coast, these movements transformed into various forms of one-party states at independence and continued to discipline agitations that deviated from the national ideal.[ii]Meanwhile the North proceeded to build a formidable regional government along lines which accommodated the cultural and ideological affinities shared by its predominantly Muslim population. It strengthened relations with the Arab world and heavily subsidized the pilgrimage to Mecca. Scholarships were awarded to deserving Muslim Northerners to study in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The North, therefore, developed separately from the rest of Nigeria and this trend continued after independence in 1960.Attempts to reform the Emirate bureaucracy of the north to bring it in line with democratic principles prevailing in local administration in the South was frustrated by the insistence of the Northern oligarchy on maintaining the status quo.[iii] The south similarly pursued a separate developmental agenda. This situation made the achievement of national integration impossible throughout the 1960s, and the secession attempt by the largely Igbo-speaking eastern Nigeria in 1967 was both a culmination of a long period of mutual distrust, suspicion, and antagonism as well as an expression of the absence of a national consciousness among two broad units of the country. The creation of states to replace the semi-autonomous regions in 1975 mitigated but did not do away with the existence of different nationalisms—different nations which continued to pursue goals that corresponded to different worldviews and political and economic aspirations within an imagined national community.Conclusion After 1945 when the pan-regional character of British colonialism in West Africa dissolved into the new emphasis on preparing each British possession for self-government, the anticolonial nationalism of each of the colonies began to unfold towards different trajectories. The trajectory followed by Nigerian nationalism differed markedly from those of other West African states; in fact its uniqueness is comparable only to India and to some extent Burma, whose ethnic and religious complexity and the multiplicity of historical experiences within their borders made the kind of integrative nationalism that was going on in other colonies impossible. The case of Nigeria was particularly difficult because it was a battleground, so to speak, between the Orient and the Occident, represented by the North and the South. Having failed (in fact lacking the ability) to block the union of these two different cultural and religious orientations, the Northern and Southern elites sought to preserve their exclusivity and the ‘purity’ of their cherished institutions within the political structure imposed by the British. I argued that the North, more than the South, sought political and cultural exclusivity and that this emanated from several centuries of interaction with Arab/Islamic civilization. The Southern elites similarly harbored a deep resentment of Northern institutions and feared possible Northern domination. This situation of mutual antagonism and suspicion resulted in the pursuit of centrifugal aims and militant regional nationalisms which have since independence in 1960 imposed enormous constraints on the Nigerian state, forcing Anthony Smith to conclude that for Nigeria to make the transition from country to nation-state it “will have to invent ethnic ties and sentiments, perhaps by rewriting ethnic histories and conflating ethnic cultures.” This has not been attempted and should not be attempted because it is doomed to failure. The failure of the existing national symbols (as contrived as they are) to inspire loyalty, patriotism, or emotional attachment is a pointer to the limits of invented devices of cohesion.For Nigeria to survive, a radical renegotiation of the union is an imperative. The aim is to do away with the modernist, centralist, and unitary assumptions and impulses that inspired the creation of Nigeria in the first place, and to concede significant economic, political, and cultural autonomy to ethnic groups or regions. A new constitution weakening the predatory, distant, parasitic, and stifling central government is necessary. This constitution must guarantee the expression of the multiple political and economic aspirations in the country and return the control and management of natural resources to areas of their derivation.References: Amoda, Moyibi. 1972. “Background to the Conflict: A Summary of Nigeria’s Political History From 1914-1964” in Okpaku, Joseph, ed., Nigeria: Dilemma of Nationhood, an African Analysis of the Biafran War, New York: Third Press.Anderson, Benedict. 1991. Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism (Revised Edition) New York: Verso.Bello, Ahmadu. 1962. My Life, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.Chatterjee, Partha. 1993. The Nation and its Fragments: Colonial and Postcolonial Histories, Princeton, N.J: Princeton University Press.Coleman, James Smoot. 1958. Nigeria: Background to Nationalism, Berkeley: University of California Press.Henley, David. 1995. “Ethnographic Integration and Exclusion in Anticolonial Nationalism: Indonesia and Indochina” Comparative Studies in Society and History, 37:5.Hodgkin, Thomas. 1960. Nigerian Perspectives: An Historical Anthology, London: Oxford University Press.Lovejoy, Paul and Hogendon, Jan. 1990. “Revolutionary Mahdism and Resistance to Colonialism in the Sokoto Caliphate 1905-6”, Journal of African History 31:2

Smith, Anthony. 1987. The Ethnic Origins of Nations, New York: Basil Blackwell Inc.______1977.“Introduction: The Formation of Nationalist Movements” Smith, Anthony, ed., Nationalist Movements, New York: St. Martin’s Press Inc. 1977. [i] See Richard Sklar, Nigerian Political Parties: Power in an Emergent African Nation New Jersey, Princeton University Press 1963 p.90-93 for details on the formation of the NPC.
[ii] For a discussion and analysis of the development of the one-party trend in West Africa in this period see Aristide Zolberg, Creating Political Order: The Party States of West Africa. Chicago, Rand McNally and Company 1966.

I'm quite tired of arguing with a fact-less dummy so here they are ^^

Because I have time to lie :| the ball is in your court Dan, prove what I said is wrong :laugh:

when i said the east had nothing i did not say it did not have resources, i meant that the east had nothing for it's skilled people and that is true, read correctly.
yes sir, the north and west offered alternatives because the east for what the east lacked the north and the west provided, it is not as arinze was saying that the north is uneducated, according to her the easterners only went to the north because the northerners are so stupid and only people from the east could take up positions how misinforming was that?
the northernization policy was not because northerners were incompetent, it was to tackle an issue which was going out of control, at the time the biggest fear was getting people agitated this was national and as you saw what i said one of the mistakes that ojukwu was taking jobless civil servants from enugu and taking them to the north and that was one of the factors that also caused the counter coup,
many leaders in nigeria realised similar policies of prioritising the indigenes, yoruba did as did the east, do you even know what is competition? competition is invited you dont have competition at will,how would you feel if i come in your house and take over the administration of your house, will you accept competition or will you ask me to leave? take zones as houses

...so why didn't the sardauna and his likes enact an indigene based policy to encourage the skilled to take advantage of the employment opportunities on their doorstep, why did they wait till the "house" was overtaken by the likes of "Emeka" before they wise up. When they were constructing the railway from Kano to Jos etc why didn't the indigenes take advantage of the opportunities ahead of the likes of "Emeka" who may have either lived in his Sabon gari surrounded and dwarfed in population comparison by the locals or had migrated from the east. Did you know that the vast majority of the construction workforce on projects like these were southerners or are you going to deny that too?

He's an idiot, he will tell you a million things wrong in the South East but wont acknowledge the fuck up that is on his doorstep. Boko Haram is only the beginning my friend, you are worried about Emeka and Chinedu when its Muhammad and Ahmed that will do you in :laugh:

the east did not offer much for its people ask the young people that risk death to leave the east, in maiduguri a ibo trader said in clear words that he will risk his own life and will not leave for safety, if their were opportunities in the east he would leave, i know people from yobe and bauchi that left at the height of the violence and started clean in places like kano and sokoto which are more guarenteed of peace, the lure to the east of the northerners and westerners was for trading, you will hardly find many non easterners holding key positions be it as a lawyer, doctor, civil service etc. in the east and it is not because the rest of nigeria is uneducated, but because the east does not even have enough for its people, you have qualified engineers working for banks in the east, while someone with a engineering degree can easily find a job in somewhere like lagos or abuja or kaduna, the migration of easterners to places like lagos and kano was not because the people in those areas were more stupid, it was more because of lack opportunities in the east
dan stop.

igbos don't leave the east because it doesn't 'offer much'. They leave the east because it's their culture. a man is expected to venture out of build a name for himself then return home with his earnings and success. Igbos saw opportunities in the north because there was a void of businesses that didn't exist in the east and thus they can get further in life with less competition.

I'll tell you now that there's 10X more oppurtunity in PH, Enugu, Onitsha, Asaba, Aba, Owerri, and Calabar then Dutse. but still ppl from Enugu go to Dutse and still make money.

He's an idiot, he will tell you a million things wrong in the South East but wont acknowledge the fuck up that is on his doorstep. Boko Haram is only the beginning my friend, you are worried about Emeka and Chinedu when its Muhammad and Ahmed that will do you in :laugh:

Dan seems to be stuck in a mindset that Boko Haram will make him shift. How ironic. When Soludo declared that the northeast was the mist impoverished region some years ago, the likes of Dan and co were calling did his head. Now see where this Boko nonsense originated from. The writing was and is on the wall all this while.

How do you know who migrates :nuts:? Are you at Murtala Muhammad checking the ethnicity of passengers... or Nnamdi Azikwe? Last time I checked the United States on recognizes Nigerian and not Igbo...you see why I say you are tribalistic :cheers:

Can you please show us your facts :banana:

you are crazy, read what herachioblo said he also says that ibos migrate out of nigeria the most he even attributes that as 'cultural', alot of ibos say they are the israelis because of migrations and how you can find an ibo everywere hustling :lol:, most of tribes migrate but you cannot argue that ibos migrate out of nigeria for economical reasons the most and this is why i brought up the issue of the lack of opportunity in the east, you don't move to pastures anew if what you left behind is better, the lure drives some people insane but i will never call someone stupid for migrating to better his situation , how is it even a bad thing, maybe to you, you are settled in america even though you have nigeria ancestry :nuts:
let me say again clear for you. I AM NOT A TRIBALIST

Yes there are a lot of people in the world who are racist and don't know they are racist, you are tribalistic and just either don't know or pretend not to know, pick your choice :cheers: its all the same.

Like I said if you value your life then you leave, all this fake crying you are doing really does not change my opinion one way or the other. If a man wants to kill me and I can kill him first, I will retreat until I can figure out another plan :cheers:

Who will tell me to leave America? No one jare :| I don't need to struggle, I earned my spot :cool:

Well lets see, if Nigeria had waited on Sarduana's time who wanted the British to stay indefinitely, Nigeria would still be a colony of the UK today:banana:

Can I separate Nigeria from you? In fact pack your bags and all the idiots that think like you bags and leave and go to the North Pole permanently:cheers:


:yawn: Talking badly about Islam/Christianity is not a hate crime :lol:

Your justification for murder is the reason why Boko Haram will continue to bomb Kano 30x over in Jesus name. If an insult is enough to kill someone then you are a stupid idiot not fit to be called an adult, only children think like that. So there's the answer the North is full of children who have yet to grow up:banana: No wonder the North will forever remain backwards, forwards never backwards forever :nuts:


Like I said you are a tribalism junkie, what mindset of the East? Go sit down you grade school flunky. God should pity you by striking you down where you stand, your type of stupidity is why Nigeria looks the way it does 51 years later.

a tribalist is someone who thinks his tribe is better than every tribe, i judge people individually, when i use words like mindset of the east is because of things i see, tbite is from the west and i have argued with him and seen him argue but swear i have never seen him throw around insults even when angry, but any person sees herachioblo, yourself, uyomfok, the other girl that was here last year with the foul mouth, rdokoye, you are all easterners and can not control yourselves when you are angry and you blame me for using words like mindset of the east, do you do yourself justice? the same provocations that i am speaking about is the exact provocations and how you cannot control yourselves when angry from 1953, 1966 and you find it today, i am warning that not everyone will take insults, it is not like provocations are a new thing for easterners, you been doing it for ages through your masquerades, your dances and music, i am not supporting violence, but if you can not control your anger or choose words correctly, you are supporting violence

I'm quite tired of arguing with a fact-less dummy so here they are ^^

Because I have time to lie :| the ball is in your court Dan, prove what I said is wrong :laugh:

do you expect me to read that red nonsense? summarize it and i will read so i can respond to you better

...so why didn't the sardauna and his likes enact an indigene based policy to encourage the skilled to take advantage of the employment opportunities on their doorstep, why did they wait till the "house" was overtaken by the likes of "Emeka" before they wise up. When they were constructing the railway from Kano to Jos etc why didn't the indigenes take advantage of the opportunities ahead of the likes of "Emeka" who may have either lived in his Sabon gari surrounded and dwarfed in population comparison by the locals or had migrated from the east. Did you know that the vast majority of the construction workforce on projects like these were southerners or are you going to deny that too?

listen sir northerners didn't need competition, it is not like the east was so developed that they could transfer jobs to the north, jobs were already scarce, if easterners had a developed house then it makes sense to help someone else, but we had nothing to gain from easterners and nothing to learn, maybe the british loved ibo because they were willing to be toyed around, who was behind this railway lines, was it northerners or the colonial office? you can accept people of the same faith, speaking the same language, having some understanding especially when it came to recruitment it had nothing to do with skills because what someone from the east could do, someone from the north could also, with that said and your relationship during colonial times as 'master' and 'willing servant', it is really ironic how the british "betrayed" the east during the civil war

Dan seems to be stuck in a mindset that Boko Haram will make him shift. How ironic. When Soludo declared that the northeast was the mist impoverished region some years ago, the likes of Dan and co were calling did his head. Now see where this Boko nonsense originated from. The writing was and is on the wall all this while.

soludo the thief said the northeast was impoverished that meant the north had terorrist when did he say so i'm sure it was between 2006-2008, considering the actual situation he was even late, so those that say africa is impoverished must believe that africa has alot of terorist :|

listen sir northerners didn't need competition, it is not like the east was so developed that they could transfer jobs to the north, jobs were already scarce, if easterners had a developed house then it makes sense to help someone else, but we had nothing to gain from easterners and nothing to learn, maybe the british loved ibo because they were willing to be toyed around, who was behind this railway lines, was it northerners or the colonial office? you can accept people of the same faith, speaking the same language, having some understanding especially when it came to recruitment it had nothing to do with skills because what someone from the east could do, someone from the north could also, with that said and your relationship during colonial times as 'master' and 'willing servant', it is really ironic how the british "betrayed" the east during the civil war

That relationship as you put it was fraught from beginning. You know the British had their own exploitive agenda regarding Nigeria and that included these pre-colonial infrastructure developments. The fact is whether willing or not, the east took advantage of the opportunities at disposals with both hands ahead of the north. The British were always wary of the Igbo who they regarded as "troublesome" mainly because they resisted colonial rule the most. A highly republican and individualistic nature deeply entrenched in the easterners psyche where always going to put the east at potential loggerheads with the colonials. Some parts of the east were not colonised as late as 1901 while the north had already come under colonial rule by the 1860's or thereabouts. You mention easterner's tendency to violence. That is strange. When has there been a wide scale massacre of northerners residing in east?... From 1945 to date it has been a litany of killing over flimsy excuses from a journalist comments to an election of a non-northerner. Or maybe the likes of oriental bros, Oliver de coque or Chief Stephen Osadebe's violent rhetoric were the reason behind the killings? Can you compare the activities of Boko Haram to MASSOB? Has MASSOB ever bombed a mosque or government institution? Boko Haram wants to islamise Nigeria by force. MASSOB's modus oparendi is non violence. Dan you are clearly displaying your ignorance that has formed stereotyped image of the Igbo in your mindset. Because a few individuals on this forum confronted you on your miss information you have cast aspirations on an entire region mire than thirty million people.

soludo the thief said the northeast was impoverished that meant the north had terorrist when did he say so i'm sure it was between 2006-2008, considering the actual situation he was even late, so those that say africa is impoverished must believe that africa has alot of terorist :|

Stands to reason. Where there's mass poverty there may be a tendency of social unrest. Africa over the last centuryhas experienced more conflict than all the other continents. Soludo "the thief (please provide proof)" made that statement. Boko Haram came from where...? It's no brainer

That relationship as you put it was fraught from beginning. You know the British had their own exploitive agenda regarding Nigeria and that included these pre-colonial infrastructure developments. The fact is whether willing or not, the east took advantage of the opportunities at disposals with both hands ahead of the north. The British were always wary of the Igbo who they regarded as "troublesome" mainly because they resisted colonial rule the most. A highly republican and individualistic nature deeply entrenched in the easterners psyche where always going to put the east at potential loggerheads with the colonials. Some parts of the east were not colonised as late as 1901 while the north had already come under colonial rule by the 1860's or thereabouts. You mention easterner's tendency to violence. That is strange. When has there been a wide scale massacre of northerners residing in east?... From 1945 to date it has been a litany of killing over flimsy excuses from a journalist comments to an election of a non-northerner. Or maybe the likes of oriental bros, Oliver de coque or Chief Stephen Osadebe's violent rhetoric were the reason behind the killings? Can you compare the activities of Boko Haram to MASSOB? Has MASSOB ever bombed a mosque or government institution? Boko Haram wants to islamise Nigeria by force. MASSOB's modus oparendi is non violence. Dan you are clearly displaying your ignorance that has formed stereotyped image of the Igbo in your mindset. Because a few individuals on this forum confronted you on your miss information you have cast aspirations on an entire region mire than thirty million people.

in 2000 the bakkasi boys sponsored by the abia state governor (orji kalu) massacred over 500 innocent northerners, anyway i was not even speaking about who commits the most violence, it is individuals who commit violence like murder, i can not say ibos are violent, i can say easterners have insults which is what i was saying. no no, ibos did not resist the british AFTER nigeria was under colonialism, if you actually think the north did not resist colonialism, the north resisted colonialism and it was bold, if we in the north were really supportive of colonialism we would really embrace english, embrace european culture and tradition, but mentally, when nigeria got colonised the ibos were submissive and saw british as godlike, the only resistence was cultural before colonialism and slightly after like the womens protests in onitsha that herachioblo was speaking about day ago, but when the europeans had told them that certain cultural practices were wrong and so on they felt indebted maybe? some people don't actually think, the north in the 1800s was high developed, it was easier if you were from the east to risk your small village because it was basically made of nothing of worth other than for pagan tradition, the north places like kano and sokoto were highly developed just try and look for pictures when the british first arrived in kano and see the development, very beautiful city,
people were not going to let 400 years of history, architecture to vanish with no thought prior? who do you fight against? for me i saw the battle in the mind as more important, things could have been done differently that is why even during colonialism no missionary had touched the north, they knew what would happen of such a move, potentially it could unite the north, which the british were wary of, the north was less united then, and really only united during the npc when unity in the north was a priority and a policy, if the north was as united in the 1800s the british would be destroyed overnight, one thing to remember is the north is not only hausa and fulani.
the ibos made use of the sudden decolonization of nigeria by sending its people en masse, it is not the first time, as i said ojukwu did it in enugu in 1966, the way that ibos tried to profit from the first coup is the same way how they tried to profit from the demise of colonialism
i do not blame anyone for grabbing opportunities, but not under those conditions, it is not only sick but also insulting, i am not talking about the years during colonialism (the 1920s and so) during the coup what we learnt is that, the fact that all civil servants during the coup were put under a unified civil service, and removing hausa language test for entry into the civil service in the north, meant 1 thing, that is not for competition, that is for monopoly, you and i know that during colonialism and early on english was the favoured language in civil service, no english, people were not perceived to go anywhere, if you are a business person, a politician etc. i can agree it makes things difficult in nigeria, the salary in the north for civil servants was lower compared to the rest of nigeria, what do you achievie from sending your people to the north? speaking english already gave southerners the advantage, and no, speaking english does not make you skilled, even the people coming from the south that spoke english that time did not have command of english, you could be a non english speaker and be competent, it will not stop you from learning english in future

Stands to reason. Where there's mass poverty there may be a tendency of social unrest. Africa over the last centuryhas experienced more conflict than all the other continents. Soludo "the thief (please provide proof)" made that statement. Boko Haram came from where...? It's no brainer


the issue in the northeast is no civil unrest, it does not speak for the people of the northeast no does it highlight poverty in the northeast, believe me if their was to be a civil unrest in the northeast things would be worse than now. libya and egypt both were more prosperous than most countries in africa including nigeria, but they had civil unrest, the closest nigeria as a whole gets to civil unrest now is when labour unions put heads together, this in the northeast has 98% nothing to do with poverty, if something comes out of frustrations over poverty, it will be 20 times worse. soludo (the thief) was speaking about a group that existed atleast 5 years before making that comment

in 2000 the bakkasi boys sponsored by the abia state governor (orji kalu) massacred over 500 innocent northerners, anyway i was not even speaking about who commits the most violence, it is individuals who commit violence like murder, i can not say ibos are violent, i can say easterners have insults which is what i was saying. no no, ibos did not resist the british AFTER nigeria was under colonialism, if you actually think the north did not resist colonialism, the north resisted colonialism and it was bold, if we in the north were really supportive of colonialism we would really embrace english, embrace european culture and tradition, but mentally, when nigeria got colonised the ibos were submissive and saw british as godlike, the only resistence was cultural before colonialism and slightly after like the womens protests in onitsha that herachioblo was speaking about day ago, but when the europeans had told them that certain cultural practices were wrong and so on they felt indebted maybe? some people don't actually think, the north in the 1800s was high developed, it was easier if you were from the east to risk your small village because it was basically made of nothing of worth other than for pagan tradition, the north places like kano and sokoto were highly developed just try and look for pictures when the british first arrived in kano and see the development, very beautiful city,
people were not going to let 400 years of history, architecture to vanish with no thought prior? who do you fight against? for me i saw the battle in the mind as more important, things could have been done differently that is why even during colonialism no missionary had touched the north, they knew what would happen of such a move, potentially it could unite the north, which the british were wary of, the north was less united then, and really only united during the npc when unity in the north was a priority and a policy, if the north was as united in the 1800s the british would be destroyed overnight, one thing to remember is the north is not only hausa and fulani.
the ibos made use of the sudden decolonization of nigeria by sending its people en masse, it is not the first time, as i said ojukwu did it in enugu in 1966, the way that ibos tried to profit from the first coup is the same way how they tried to profit from the demise of colonialism
i do not blame anyone for grabbing opportunities, but not under those conditions, it is not only sick but also insulting, i am not talking about the years during colonialism (the 1920s and so) during the coup what we learnt is that, the fact that all civil servants during the coup were put under a unified civil service, and removing hausa language test for entry into the civil service in the north, meant 1 thing, that is not for competition, that is for monopoly, you and i know that during colonialism and early on english was the favoured language in civil service, no english, people were not perceived to go anywhere, if you are a business person, a politician etc. i can agree it makes things difficult in nigeria, the salary in the north for civil servants was lower compared to the rest of nigeria, what do you achievie from sending your people to the north? speaking english already gave southerners the advantage, and no, speaking english does not make you skilled, even the people coming from the south that spoke english that time did not have command of english, you could be a non english speaker and be competent, it will not stop you from learning english in future

Come come Dan... Orji Kalu sponsored bakassi boys to massacre northerners??!!?!. The Igbo tried to profit from the first coup?!?!. Even you previously stated that not all the participants were Igbo. Did you know that the original intention was to install Awolowo as prime minister. It may have disgusted you the way you perceived the domination of the workforce by non-indigenes in the north, but not half as disgusting at the wholesale massacre after the second coup which included innocent civilians. The deliberate policy of marginalising the east of federal presence after the civil war by the northern-led military regimes.

you are crazy, read what herachioblo said he also says that ibos migrate out of nigeria the most he even attributes that as 'cultural', alot of ibos say they are the israelis because of migrations and how you can find an ibo everywere hustling :lol:, most of tribes migrate but you cannot argue that ibos migrate out of nigeria for economical reasons the most and this is why i brought up the issue of the lack of opportunity in the east, you don't move to pastures anew if what you left behind is better, the lure drives some people insane but i will never call someone stupid for migrating to better his situation , how is it even a bad thing, maybe to you, you are settled in america even though you have nigeria ancestry :nuts:
let me say again clear for you. I AM NOT A TRIBALIST

igbos don't leave the east because it doesn't 'offer much'. They leave the east because it's their culture. a man is expected to venture out of build a name for himself then return home with his earnings and success. Igbos saw opportunities in the north because there was a void of businesses that didn't exist in the east and thus they can get further in life with less competition.


Where did you see leave Nigeria? I saw East and North unless the US and UK are North now:lol: God did you bother to even read :rofl: I guess you have already relocated Northern Nigeria into another country:cheers:

A lot of what? I honestly think you need to separate Nairaland from real life, because all of your points are from the internet:banana:

Igbos saw opportunities in the north because there was a void of businesses that didn't exist in the east and thus they can get further in life with less competition.

I'll tell you now that there's 10X more oppurtunity in PH, Enugu, Onitsha, Asaba, Aba, Owerri, and Calabar then Dutse. but still ppl from Enugu go to Dutse and still make money.

What you missed this part or you only pick and choose your points that fit your agenda. Unashamed bastard, even when stealing you don't even cite right:lol:

Tribalist goat:lol:

do you expect me to read that red nonsense? summarize it and i will read so i can respond to you better

Don't read, I don't care but the proof that the North was not as educated as the other regions at independence is there for people to see, with actual sources.

I know it kills you to hear truth but there it is tribalistic baboon:banana:

Like Dummy Katsina this thread is a joke, expecting truth and non-bias from a tribalistic troll is like expecting a chick named Crystal or Delicious not to be a stripper :lol:

You can't help but laugh at a semi-literate clown who tries to justify murder, "But but you offended us". Its a good thing you and your family live in Nigeria, had you been America they would have dropped you in prison for such stupidity.

You can continue your joke of threat where the evil Igbo offended and stole jobs of Northerners and the North is always being persecuted. Everyone can click google for the truth, the British known the truth and have admitted the flaws of leaving the North in power, the Northern Elite known the truth, everyone but Dan Katsina knows the truth. Boko Haram should take pity on you and help assist you on to the next life, you are not redeemable in anyway. I pray that your "friend" come to their senses that you are madman not to be trusted :cheers:

Dan it warms my heart to know you will die an old decrepit man foaming at the mouth because an Igbo man is doing better than you :cool:

Everyone can continue trying to educate a dummy.

Where did you see leave Nigeria? I saw East and North unless the US and UK are North now:lol: God did you bother to even read :rofl: I guess you have already relocated Northern Nigeria into another country:cheers:

A lot of what? I honestly think you need to separate Nairaland from real life, because all of your points are from the internet:banana:



What you missed this part or you only pick and choose your points that fit your agenda. Unashamed bastard, even when stealing you don't even cite right:lol:

Tribalist goat:lol:

herachioblo knows, ask him which tribe migrates the most out of nigeria he will tell you he will not lie

carry on with the insults

Don't read, I don't care but the proof that the North was not as educated as the other regions at independence is there for people to see, with actual sources.

I know it kills you to hear truth but there it is tribalistic baboon:banana:

if you go on the internet only to look for negative reports on the north, you will find plenty, go on the internet and look for negative reports from anywhere in the world, you will find plenty

carry on with the insults

Like Dummy Katsina this thread is a joke, expecting truth and non-bias from a tribalistic troll is like expecting a chick named Crystal or Delicious not to be a stripper :lol:

You can't help but laugh at a semi-literate clown who tries to justify murder, "But but you offended us". Its a good thing you and your family live in Nigeria, had you been America they would have dropped you in prison for such stupidity.

You can continue your joke of threat where the evil Igbo offended and stole jobs of Northerners and the North is always being persecuted. Everyone can click google for the truth, the British known the truth and have admitted the flaws of leaving the North in power, the Northern Elite known the truth, everyone but Dan Katsina knows the truth. Boko Haram should take pity on you and help assist you on to the next life, you are not redeemable in anyway. I pray that your "friend" come to their senses that you are madman not to be trusted :cheers:

Dan it warms my heart to know you will die an old decrepit man foaming at the mouth because an Igbo man is doing better than you :cool:

Everyone can continue trying to educate a dummy.
never did i justified murder, i only spoke about the causes, if i justified murder i will justify it everytime but no, it is common sense that if you provoke people you will get a reaction, we may disagree with it or agree with it, the wave of reprisals in nigeria (which you don't even condemn) are due to peoples perception that they are being provoked by northerners,
in your home state over 100 northerners were injured because they believed a northerner had killed a ibo bus driver, you did not even say anything about it, last time i spoke with you about the reprisals you only said that it is due to the attacks, since when are these attacks even due to northerners who are just living there lives? if you are telling me that you are better person than me, atleast you have to show it
i will not feel envy because someone is doing better than me, i will be happy for them, but the manner, i had a similar argument with rdokoye and i spoke about some of this practices, what was his response to me?
he says MONEY IS MONEY, you may stand up for that idea but i will not, for me it is wrong whatever the circumstances to loose ethics because of money
carry on with your insults, call me goat, baboon, terrorist etc. you are showing how you were raised, the thought of only seeing one side, i already said that even though i have argued with people like tbite i have respect for them because he does not even throw insults but you, you just insult. it is not nice, it is uncultured and uncivilized

Come come Dan... Orji Kalu sponsored bakassi boys to massacre northerners??!!?!. The Igbo tried to profit from the first coup?!?!. Even you previously stated that not all the participants were Igbo. Did you know that the original intention was to install Awolowo as prime minister. It may have disgusted you the way you perceived the domination of the workforce by non-indigenes in the north, but not half as disgusting at the wholesale massacre after the second coup which included innocent civilians. The deliberate policy of marginalising the east of federal presence after the civil war by the northern-led military regimes.

i can't say if he payed them to specifically massacre northerners, but at the time around the actual massacre in abia, they were on his pay roll. of course ibos did tried to profit from the first coup, how so did ojukwu transfer civil servants from the east to the north and the west en masse? i know the original intention was to install him as prime minister, yet it was gowon that released him and not the first coup plotters. of course yes i am disgusted by the murders of the 2nd coup, as much as i am disgusted by the provocations and the 1st coup

Where did you see leave Nigeria? I saw East and North unless the US and UK are North now:lol: God did you bother to even read :rofl: I guess you have already relocated Northern Nigeria into another country:cheers:

A lot of what? I honestly think you need to separate Nairaland from real life, because all of your points are from the internet:banana:



What you missed this part or you only pick and choose your points that fit your agenda. Unashamed bastard, even when stealing you don't even cite right:lol:

Tribalist goat:lol:

wtf? are you ok?
herachioblo knows, ask him which tribe migrates the most out of nigeria he will tell you he will not lie

carry on with the insults

fulani

herachioblo knows, ask him which tribe migrates the most out of nigeria he will tell you he will not lie

carry on with the insults

I will retarded asswipe :cheers: I mistakenly assumed I was talking to a person and found out it was a goat...

if you go on the internet only to look for negative reports on the north, you will find plenty, go on the internet and look for negative reports from anywhere in the world, you will find plenty

carry on with the insults

Dude go through the News section who has a fixation on tribal news... That would be you :cheers:

Like I said I will tribalistic fucktard :cheers:

never did i justified murder, i only spoke about the causes, if i justified murder i will justify it everytime but no, it is common sense that if you provoke people you will get a reaction, we may disagree with it or agree with it, the wave of reprisals in nigeria (which you don't even condemn) are due to peoples perception that they are being provoked by northerners,
in your home state over 100 northerners were injured because they believed a northerner had killed a ibo bus driver, you did not even say anything about it, last time i spoke with you about the reprisals you only said that it is due to the attacks, since when are these attacks even due to northerners who are just living there lives? if you are telling me that you are better person than me, atleast you have to show it
i will not feel envy because someone is doing better than me, i will be happy for them, but the manner, i had a similar argument with rdokoye and i spoke about some of this practices, what was his response to me?
he says MONEY IS MONEY, you may stand up for that idea but i will not, for me it is wrong whatever the circumstances to loose ethics because of money
carry on with your insults, call me goat, baboon, terrorist etc. you are showing how you were raised, the thought of only seeing one side, i already said that even though i have argued with people like tbite i have respect for them because he does not even throw insults but you, you just insult. it is not nice, it is uncultured and uncivilized

Dude you justified murder. Your a sick bastard for that one.

I don't care if you have respect for me, in fact I spit on your respect it's not worth shit in my opinion.


Yawn, propaganda. I love when I catch you in your little lies, me and you are not even remotely the same :lol:

Here is what I said about the bus driver story:

Like I have always said it wrong to attack anyone because they happen to share the same tyhe ethnicity with someone who committed a crime.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1438135&page=7
^^
It's there for you to see yourself:lol: I stand by my convictions regardless of the ethnicity, can you say the same? I've always said this.

Same thing for Jos, I said that reprisals will unfortunately follow because It Jos, and if anything Boko Haram will have more Muslims killed for no reason.

Please show me where I have not condemn reprisals. Dude it's the Internet everything is there for all to see.

If I want to talk to reasonable Muslim I'll talk to Hadrami. If I want to talk to a nut, I'll look you up.

I'm glad you have accepted your many titles. I knew your thread like you would be propaganda and self pity. It's all good people like you will help keep Northern Nigerians a permanent underclass, to benefit the tiny minority.

:shocked::shocked: What happened here!! :cripes::colbert:

Dude you justified murder. Your a sick bastard for that one.

I don't care if you have respect for me, in fact I spit on your respect it's not worth shit in my opinion.


Yawn, propaganda. I love when I catch you in your little lies, me and you are not even remotely the same :lol:

Here is what I said about the bus driver story:

Like I have always said it wrong to attack anyone because they happen to share the same tyhe ethnicity with someone who committed a crime.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1438135&page=7
^^
It's there for you to see yourself:lol: I stand by my convictions regardless of the ethnicity, can you say the same? I've always said this.

Same thing for Jos, I said that reprisals will unfortunately follow because It Jos, and if anything Boko Haram will have more Muslims killed for no reason.

Please show me where I have not condemn reprisals. Dude it's the Internet everything is there for all to see.

If I want to talk to reasonable Muslim I'll talk to Hadrami. If I want to talk to a nut, I'll look you up.

I'm glad you have accepted your many titles. I knew your thread like you would be propaganda and self pity. It's all good people like you will help keep Northern Nigerians a permanent underclass, to benefit the tiny minority.

goodness me i have never justified murder stop lying. you have to cheer up because you are vexing now just calm down i am not some terrorist here, we can speak about nigeria history without name callings, ok, deal? i do not hold anything personal against anyone as far as i am concerned we are just a big family having fights like any family

:shocked::shocked: What happened here!! :cripes::colbert:

i apologize sir, their won't be name callings or insults anymore, it was just a little transgression, from now on it is back to topic, please leave the thread alive, arinze (the naughty girl) has agreed to behave herself. thank you for understanding

goodness me i have never justified murder stop lying. you have to cheer up because you are vexing now just calm down i am not some terrorist here, we can speak about nigeria history without name callings, ok, deal? i do not hold anything personal against anyone as far as i am concerned we are just a big family having fights like any family

Yawn.

More revisioneering

thank you, back to topic now and history

Your version of it anyway :lol: the day you ever criticize your region for anything is the day I get married to Fulani man :lol:talk less of any MUslim.

Lies of History
Discovery of oil in the east was the reason for talks about secession
Fact Check:The degree of dehumanization of its pple was likely the cause especially the brutal killings by Gowon's government and thier lack of concern for the ppl of the east

All of Northern Nigeria is conservative
Fact check: Actually someminority elements in the north such as the Tivs, who are politically affiliated with the north are just as radical and rebellious as the south

Nnamdi Azikiwe was the first president of Nigeria
Fact heck: actually , "Ze-ee-eek" after he failed to capture power at the federal level, announced his retirement from politics, he was the true nationalist, who was the only American educated regional leader with a master;s degree, and he said with independence "his task was done". He was subsequently awarded the ceremonial role of governor-general.

Tafawa Balewa won the elcetion of 1960, making him the prime minister
Fact Check: Although the election was "rigged" in favor of the north, the northern political leader was Ahmedu Bello, a feudal fulani descendant(he claimed descent from Usman dan fodio) he gave up federal rule to his leutenant Tafawa Balewa( a school teacher)

Awolowo and his party conspired to overthrow the govt of Tafawa Balewa
Fact check:Although they were found guilty, interestingly the judge at the trial before delivering his judgement stated "My hands are tied", which is opened to various interpretations

Na wa o...this thread has been quite a ride lol.

I can sense the chemistry b/w Dan and Arinze :P

:jk:

Madness :lol:

Off topic - I've never heard of Fulani-Igbo couples. Igbo and Hausa or some other Northerner, yes. But hardly Fulani and Igbo...hmmm.

I think I saw a person of Igbo-Fulani heritage online...one :lol: its like a chupacabra or big foot.

Polar opposites I guess :lol:

Off topic - I've never heard of Fulani-Igbo couples. Igbo and Hausa or some other Northerner, yes. But hardly Fulani and Igbo...hmmm.

atikus 4th wife is ibo from onitsha

a friend of mine is fulani and igbo, him and his sister. good looking kids.
i dont think they're polar opposites, i actually think they're more alike then a lot of the other tribes in nigeria

@Dan lol wow you learn something new everyday. Fourth wife you say? Is she muslim?

a friend of mine is fulani and igbo, him and his sister. good looking kids.
i dont think they're polar opposites, i actually think they're more alike then a lot of the other tribes in nigeria

Very interesting. On what side are they igbo/fulani? Father or mother? What is their religion and what ethnicity do they identify with the most?

Honestly I think the cultural outlook and pov is very different for both groups but enlighten me.

@Dan lol wow you learn something new everyday. Fourth wife you say? Is she muslim?


yes she's muslim since she married atiku, her name is jamila (formerly jennifer)

civil war: 1967

another development to mention was that awolowo who was a "key" ally to the eastern region was released during the 2nd coup. after alot of easterners had left the north claiming that they were being targetted after the 2nd coup, the east and the rest of nigeria, agreed to meet in ghana (aburi) to discuss on the future and how the strain could be repaired over the events of both coups , ojukwu made some demands like guarentees that easterners would be protected in the north, which was of course accepted, other demands from both sides were, to re organisation the army all together, to recover any lost property, to the army to be covered by the supreme military council, and to make sure that all regions are represented equally in the army and that all report to the chief of staff (such as appointments) and the supreme council to have commands on all the regions and there internal security. pledges for a peaceful agreement were initially agreed on but after a war of words and accusations and mainly differences and some personal interests , and after ojukwu was advised not to go ahead with the seccession (also by the first president azikiwe who disagreed with biafra idea and awo who differed with it and went on to become the man who was managing the economy during the civil war times) and to accepts the peace treaty he nonetheless went with the republic of biafra in may 1967. this was would lead to the civil war which would last for 3 years 1967-1970

http://www.nigerianfolks.com/gallery/var/albums/Nigerian-Political-Faces-Past-And-Present/Chukwuemeka%20Odumegwu-Ojukwu_Biafra-Declaration.jpg?m=1325513899

Claiming :? See you are at it again :|

i did not deny anything :|

How can you claim something, that we know was fact or are you alleging to pogroms were not true :|

after alot of easterners had left the north claiming that they were being targetted after the 2nd coup,

:|

Either find an encyclopedia to copy from or be neutral.

How can you claim something, that we know was fact or are you alleging to pogroms were not true :|



:|

Either find an encyclopedia to copy from or be neutral.

some people will dispute that the first coup was majority an ibo coup, we can also argue that not all those that moved back the east were in fact in danger of being injured or killed as not all easterners in the north went back to the east, some in fact stayed back

some people will dispute that the first coup was majority an ibo coup, we can also argue that not all those that moved back the east were in fact in danger of being injured or killed as not all easterners in the north went back to the east, some in fact stayed back

Dan please learn to be more articulate in your writings because you constantly contradict yourself then backtrack, but you never admit an error. You seem unable to be objective in your presentations which makes come off as being slyly biased and with a warped view of history.

Dan please learn to be more articulate in your writings because you constantly contradict yourself then backtrack, but you never admit an error. You seem unable to be objective in your presentations which makes come off as being slyly biased and with a warped view of history.

what error did i make? maybe i will look at it again and correct myself if necesary, i don't like to contradict myself

back to key events in civil war

A complete rewrite by Dan Katsina :laugh:

Just skip the war for peace sake...

(I'd like to ignore the fact that this whole thread was indirectly created for discussions on the war)

initial civil war

the initial civil war started in july of 1967, ignore the previos part it was just the politic such as the conference in ghana and how things did not go to plan, the first commands of mohammed shuwa originally a division of northerners, i think at the beginning most other regions like in the west did not want to get involved in the whole conflict,
anyway, the division of shuwa tookover nsukka (enugu) a few days after the offensive, or can i say a week after the offensive which was actually quick, biafrans were not trained but they did put up a fight, and after bombardment from shuwa,
a month later, biafrans made a mistake, they took the war to the west, as i said the other parts did not even get involved in the initial offensive but other regions saw biafra for what it is, biafrans took over some parts in the west and were marching for the capital lagos,
the west was not prepared for the offensive of biafra, this offensive initially saw some of the most brutal acts and escalated the war into national level, most of the ibos in the west who were supposed to defend nigeria decided to fight with biafra, this prompted gowon to ask murtala mohammed to fight the biafrans in the west (my fathers brother lost his life in murtalas division),
these men did a good job, but biafrans also achieved there aims, they got the ibos in the west on there side, the ibo soldiers trained to defend nigeria joined up with biafra, some parts were retaken with the help of murtala, , adekunle's division went ahead with it's offensive against biafra,
the ibos from biafra attack on the west helped nigeria because most other tribes joined against biafra, prominent people like saro wiwa (who saw the genocide and oppression against his people by biafran troops) were against biafra because of how the took there offensive to the west, the offensive of onitsha was not well planned,
nigeria suffered casualties and the war as of 1968 was going nowhere, biafrans were holding there own as were nigeria troops, which brings us to a different part of the war

http://www.africafederation.net/2010CICCONVENTION%20%20Message%20BIAFRATHE%20NIGERIAN%20CIVIL%20WAR%5BCulled%20from%20Obichi%20Ikechi%5D_files/168267_491971624833_804839833_5784333_4101198_n.jpg

Once again Biafra was more than just Igbo, the second in command was Efik. Furthermore you would refer to the troops as Biafran troops not Igbo and civilians from Biafra as Biafrans but that would take objectivity and IQ slightly higher than that of a rock, which let's be honest you lack on both fronts :laugh:

Once again Biafra was more than just Igbo, the second in command was Efik. Furthermore you would refer to the troops as Biafran troops not Igbo and civilians from Biafra as Biafrans but that would take objectivity and IQ slightly higher than that of a rock, which let's be honest you lack on both fronts :laugh:

ok i am stupid to you, still biafran troops consisted 98% ibo even back then ibos found it a sham to support nigeria, almost every ibo supported biafra entirely i am not wrong,
most the tribes in the mid west were fighting against biafra so you can not say it was more than ibo,
ojukwu created a ethnic based war at first noone was interest but biafra tried to take over the west which put them against everyone, whose fault is it

ok i am stupid to you, still biafran troops consisted 98% ibo even back then ibos found it a sham to support nigeria, almost every ibo supported biafra entirely i am not w the tribes in the mid west were fighting against biafra so you can not say it was more than ibo,
ojukwu created a ethnic based war at first noone was interest but biafra tried to take over the west which put them against everyone, whose fault is it

Once again when you write about history you are to remain objective and neutral. Can you provide a source that says that the Biafran army was 98%? If you can't then you are not being factual.

Two, not every Igbo person supported Biafra.

Three, how was it an ethnic war when Biafra included Ibibio, Efik, and various other groups of the Eastern region. In fact the borders of Biafra were that of the Eastern region which is not only Igbo. By simple math Igbo people would be the majority because they are the largest ethnic group in the region but they were not the only one in Biafra. Hence the reason why it was called Biafra which was a neutral name that is not indegenous to Nigeria.

If no one wanted Biafra why was Ojuku not overthrown by the people. Biafra was created in response to the federal government's failure to protect South Eastern people in the North and other parts of Nigeria from pogroms. The federal government attacked Biafra first. There are various explanations for Biafran troops advancing westward but its all based on which version you want to go with. Did retaliation attacks occur in the West by Biafran troops? Yes they did and this in part did galvanize people from other regions to fight for the Nigerian side.

The problem with you revision of history, which is what this whole sham is, is that its clear you are inserting your own opinion in this retelling. Where are your sources? Or are your opinions a credible source?

This is why i call you an idiot. You are tribalistic and ignorant and in the one moment you could actually redeem yourself you fuck it up by not being able to manage the simple tenants of quality writing. Compare any of my threads to yours and you'll see that i quote and source my facts. Hell I'm even more objective than you are.

Did you mention the riots that were common in the North long before independence? Fela' s mother activism? The Aba Woman's war? No you didnt you shot straight to the civil war so you could give your biased retelling of events under the guise of history.

Your colors show through and through every time. Look at how you brush aside the fact that 50 thousand innocent people were killed for sharing the ethnicity of some of the coup plotters, instead of taking out vengeance on the coup plotters alone.

Even Soyinka who is from a different ethnic group sympathizes with the people of Biafra and understand why they took the drastic step to self determination, even he was against the two sides going to war. Its only a bigot like you who can rewrite this as those damn Igbo and their damn greediness wanting a country to themselves for no real reason :| because thats the real reason right?

You went straight to the civil war because of your twisted agenda to prove how awful Igbo are according to you. Which is fine but dont lie to other posters by sticking the word history in the thread title because its not history when you write whatever bullshit you want in a biased manner.

I will never one day say that the Biafran troops were saints, they did awful things as well. But the real loser who owns the blame is Gowon who in true federal government of Nigeria fashion could not protect its own citizens despite tasking itself with said duty.

You want some facts, here's one:
Which region has been consistently a source of religious and ethnic strife even before independence?

The North. A place where any insignificant thing can be cause to lose your head with your long time neighbor being your executioner. Even issues not pertaining to Nigeria can because for riots in the streets. Its the same place where youth corpers who's only mistake was to serve their country by helping to conduct elections were murdered because one side lost the election.
Its no surprise that Nigeria's worst terrorist group hails from the same place.

I know you will begin your usual rants of how the SE backwards but I honestly dont give a fuck because for a region that was decimated and neglected the SE fairs pretty well. When it comes to education JAMB, WAEC, and etc scores speak for themselves. Literacy of women are some of the highest in Nigeria. Most children receive their vaccines in the SE as well. Much of the infrastructure in the SE were funded by communities since the government was uninterested in contributing funds or support.
These were the folks who were given 20 pounds and told to get the fuck on and they managed. So nothing you can come up with will make me think any less of the SE.

To be honest I'm tired of giving. You the benefit of the doubt. Its clear you don't like Igbo people despite claiming you have some of them as friends.

Whenever the truth about your region is exposed just like every other part of Nigeria your go to place is to drag out Igbo people to make one of your idiotic points. I'm starting to think its a Northern thing because it seems to be the tactic of a lot of Northern posters on Nairaland or Naijapals. Maybe its a form of groupthink or psychosis, I don't know and don't care.

My only hope is that people of the SE go back to the SE and build it up so that everyone else can have their part of Nigeria Igbo free as some claim they want it. You yourself have bragged how Igbo people need the North, so I propose they leave the North en-mass and go back home and make it friendly for business and tourism. If there is one thing I cannot stand is for people to be condescending to me like you are to Igbo people.

So if I can ever make it a possibility I will do whatever it takes to make the SE a go to destination in Nigeria just to make you even more bitter and hateful. But unlike you I don't believe any group is superior to another and would like people of all backgrounds make the SE their home. Whether you like it or not the SE will move forward, and it will get better unfortunately I can't say the same for your part of the world, but I'm not wishing failure for the North because once again unlike you I know that the success of Nigeria means that all regions and states must succeed.

So continue on with your farce, because you only feel good when you are lording your undeserved self righousness over others.

Once again when you write about history you are to remain objective and neutral. Can you provide a source that says that the Biafran army was 98%? If you can't then you are not being factual.

Two, not every Igbo person supported Biafra.

Three, how was it an ethnic war when Biafra included Ibibio, Efik, and various other groups of the Eastern region. In fact the borders of Biafra were that of the Eastern region which is not only Igbo. By simple math Igbo people would be the majority because they are the largest ethnic group in the region but they were not the only one in Biafra. Hence the reason why it was called Biafra which was a neutral name that is not indegenous to Nigeria.

If no one wanted Biafra why was Ojuku not overthrown by the people. Biafra was created in response to the federal government's failure to protect South Eastern people in the North and other parts of Nigeria from pogroms. The federal government attacked Biafra first. There are various explanations for Biafran troops advancing westward but its all based on which version you want to go with. Did retaliation attacks occur in the West by Biafran troops? Yes they did and this in part did galvanize people from other regions to fight for the Nigerian side.

The problem with you revision of history, which is what this whole sham is, is that its clear you are inserting your own opinion in this retelling. Where are your sources? Or are your opinions a credible source?

This is why i call you an idiot. You are tribalistic and ignorant and in the one moment you could actually redeem yourself you fuck it up by not being able to manage the simple tenants of quality writing. Compare any of my threads to yours and you'll see that i quote and source my facts. Hell I'm even more objective than you are.

Did you mention the riots that were common in the North long before independence? Fela' s mother activism? The Aba Woman's war? No you didnt you shot straight to the civil war so you could give your biased retelling of events under the guise of history.

Your colors show through and through every time. Look at how you brush aside the fact that 50 thousand innocent people were killed for sharing the ethnicity of some of the coup plotters, instead of taking out vengeance on the coup plotters alone.

Even Soyinka who is from a different ethnic group sympathizes with the people of Biafra and understand why they took the drastic step to self determination, even he was against the two sides going to war. Its only a bigot like you who can rewrite this as those damn Igbo and their damn greediness wanting a country to themselves for no real reason :| because thats the real reason right?

You went straight to the civil war because of your twisted agenda to prove how awful Igbo are according to you. Which is fine but dont lie to other posters by sticking the word history in the thread title because its not history when you write whatever bullshit you want in a biased manner.

I will never one day say that the Biafran troops were saints, they did awful things as well. But the real loser who owns the blame is Gowon who in true federal government of Nigeria fashion could not protect its own citizens despite tasking itself with said duty.

You want some facts, here's one:
Which region has been consistently a source of religious and ethnic strife even before independence?

The North. A place where any insignificant thing can be cause to lose your head with your long time neighbor being your executioner. Even issues not pertaining to Nigeria can because for riots in the streets. Its the same place where youth corpers who's only mistake was to serve their country by helping to conduct elections were murdered because one side lost the election.
Its no surprise that Nigeria's worst terrorist group hails from the same place.

I know you will begin your usual rants of how the SE backwards but I honestly dont give a fuck because for a region that was decimated and neglected the SE fairs pretty well. When it comes to education JAMB, WAEC, and etc scores speak for themselves. Literacy of women are some of the highest in Nigeria. Most children receive their vaccines in the SE as well. Much of the infrastructure in the SE were funded by communities since the government was uninterested in contributing funds or support.
These were the folks who were given 20 pounds and told to get the fuck on and they managed. So nothing you can come up with will make me think any less of the SE.
most tribes in the delta like urhobo, itsekiri, ogoni, ijaw were against biafra, for example in ogoni parts biafrans commited alot of atrocities which as i mentioned saro wiwa spoken about too, but i will return to people who are not ibo like efiong, i am not done yet, you will find out what efiong did after ojukwu ran away,
i will not say much as the efik, ibibio were in close proximity with ibos, they shared land miles apart and during a war which was instigated by ibos, you can say they had a right to defend there property, do you see how neutral i am? you will find out what efiks thought about ojukwu, basically biafra was also part of efik and ibibio land,
but the mid west was united in there approach, efik and ibibio were slaves of ibos for centuries you also know it,
a war was declared, tomorrow if any state decides to break away from nigeria it is a act of war against the country, they did not respect what was agreed on in ghana, nigeria had every right to defend herself, the west had every right to defend herself because biafrans were trying to capture lagos,
they were trying to cause more divisions by for example declaring benin city independant, a bini state making it a ibo moutpiece with okonkwo trying to pull strings on someones land
my friend i do not have to read sources, my version is what i was taught, history has 2 sides, i try to be neutral but you can not be neutral with ojukwu, his points were clear from the first hour,
you also see i mention the riots already just go back, i mentioned everything in details, even how nigeria was formed, i will also mention the beginning of things after the civil war believe me their is still alot after the civil war it is not easy, i will only mention key events because i can not do everything in detail, it will have to be a book but i respect your opinion and i can understand why you are not happy

To be honest I'm tired of giving. You the benefit of the doubt. Its clear you don't like Igbo people despite claiming you have some of them as friends.

Whenever the truth about your region is exposed just like every other part of Nigeria your go to place is to drag out Igbo people to make one of your idiotic points. I'm starting to think its a Northern thing because it seems to be the tactic of a lot of Northern posters on Nairaland or Naijapals. Maybe its a form of groupthink or psychosis, I don't know and don't care.

My only hope is that people of the SE go back to the SE and build it up so that everyone else can have their part of Nigeria Igbo free as some claim they want it. You yourself have bragged how Igbo people need the North, so I propose they leave the North en-mass and go back home and make it friendly for business and tourism. If there is one thing I cannot stand is for people to be condescending to me like you are to Igbo people.

So if I can ever make it a possibility I will do whatever it takes to make the SE a go to destination in Nigeria just to make you even more bitter and hateful. But unlike you I don't believe any group is superior to another and would like people of all backgrounds make the SE their home. Whether you like it or not the SE will move forward, and it will get better unfortunately I can't say the same for your part of the world, but I'm not wishing failure for the North because once again unlike you I know that the success of Nigeria means that all regions and states must succeed.

So continue on with your farce, because you only feel good when you are lording your undeserved self righousness over others.

that is a lie, how can you say i do not ilke ibos
we all know who creates lies about the north, since the first attacks on the north were by ibos, and the first division of nigeria in the civil war was led by shuwa, so alot of things are not coincidence, but we the young people of today have to accept the past and work together,
northerners, ibos, every tribe has alot on the table for nigeria, but do you think i am happy when people mention the north for everything which is bad in nigeria?
i accept we have problems, no one can convince me we do not have share of problems, but you people act like you are better, i believe in nigeria more than anyone here but you do not know how it feels to be associated with every problem in nigeria

most tribes in the delta like urhobo, itsekiri, ogoni, ijaw were against biafra, for example in ogoni parts biafrans commited alot of atrocities which as i mentioned saro wiwa spoken about too, but i will return to people who are not ibo like efiong, i am not done yet, you will find out what efiong did after ojukwu ran away,
i will not say much as the efik, ibibio were in close proximity with ibos, they shared land miles apart and during a war which was instigated by ibos, you can say they had a right to defend there property, do you see how neutral i am? you will find out what efiks thought about ojukwu, basically biafra was also part of efik and ibibio land,
but the mid west was united in there approach, efik and ibibio were slaves of ibos for centuries you also know it,
a war was declared, tomorrow if any state decides to break away from nigeria it is a act of war against the country, they did not respect what was agreed on in ghana, nigeria had every right to defend herself, the west had every right to defend herself because biafrans were trying to capture lagos,
they were trying to cause more divisions by for example declaring benin city independant, a bini state making it a ibo moutpiece with okonkwo trying to pull strings on someones land
my friend i do not have to read sources, my version is what i was taught, history has 2 sides, i try to be neutral but you can not be neutral with ojukwu, his points were clear from the first hour,
you also see i mention the riots already just go back, i mentioned everything in details, even how nigeria was formed, i will also mention the beginning of things after the civil war believe me their is still alot after the civil war it is not easy, i will only mention key events because i can not do everything in detail, it will have to be a book but i respect your opinion and i can understand why you are not happy

The Ibibio and Efik were not slaves of the Igbo, Arochukwu who were Igbo slave traders best allies in slave trading were some Ibibio and Efik groups :doh:

Cross Rivers and Awka Ibom where those groups are right next to the SE not miles apart. Igbo people and Efik and Ibibio people have historically had good relations which is why to this day the two groups intermarry.

Of course you don't need sources when you lie :lol:

Because even my brief readings tell me that you are rewriting history.

And what happened to Ken Saro Wiwa?

Many of the same groups that participated on the Nigerian side during Biafra have actually made statements saying they regretted their decision.

Breaking away from a state is not an act of war.

Nigeria attacked first, you cannot claim you are defending yourself when you attack first. You would know this if you had sources.

Gowon didn't keep his promise that pogroms against South Easterners which he said he would do during the Aburi accords.

I never said Ojukwu was a saint.

Lol you think your lies make me sad? It only makes you look like a biased idiot :laugh:

that is a lie, how can you say i do not ilke ibos
we all know who creates lies about the north, since the first attacks on the north were by ibos, and the first division of nigeria in the civil war was led by shuwa, so alot of things are not coincidence, but we the young people of today have to accept the past and work together,
northerners, ibos, every tribe has alot on the table for nigeria, but do you think i am happy when people mention the north for everything which is bad in nigeria?
i accept we have problems, no one can convince me we do not have share of problems, but you people act like you are better, i believe in nigeria more than anyone here but you do not know how it feels to be associated with every problem in nigeria

You don't like Igbo people its clear as day :lol:

Which attacks on the North? You do realize that even the British were appalled by the violent riots in the North. Riots that have gone on before the ink dried the declaration of independence from Britain. Am I lying?

I wouldn't work with you if you were the last human on Earth, you are a tribalist pure and simple.

You are happy when you say the SE is the worst place in Nigeria so why are you mad when people do the same to you?

You don't believe in Nigeria unless you mean Northern Nigeria.

My friend go ask Igbo people how it was after the war. You are crying because of a few insults :lol:

The Ibibio and Efik were not slaves of the Igbo, Arochukwu who were Igbo slave traders best allies in slave trading were some Ibibio and Efik groups :doh:

Cross Rivers and Awka Ibom where those groups are right next to the SE not miles apart. Igbo people and Efik and Ibibio people have historically had good relations which is why to this day the two groups intermarry.

Of course you don't need sources when you lie :lol:

Because even my brief readings tell me that you are rewriting history.

And what happened to Ken Saro Wiwa?

Many of the same groups that participated on the Nigerian side during Biafra have actually made statements saying they regretted their decision.

Breaking away from a state is not an act of war.

Nigeria attacked first, you cannot claim you are defending yourself when you attack first. You would know this if you had sources.

Gowon didn't keep his promise that pogroms against South Easterners which he said he would do during the Aburi accords.

I never said Ojukwu was a saint.

Lol you think your lies make me sad? It only makes you look like a biased idiot :laugh:

ibibio lost there land to ibos do you know about the aro-ibibio war? read about and see how ibos enslaved ibibio and colonised ibibioland, don't lie that historically they had good relationship,
that is actually what i mean about close proximity between ibo, efik and ibibio, i mean that cross rivers and akwa ibom are only seperated by a few miles not hours,
how am i lie, until now you have not tried to show anything which shows i am wrong, what happened to saro wiwa is irrelivant, his position in the civil war was very clear, his people were oppresed and colonised,
many people also, including ojukwu have admitted there mistakes, i also think their were mistakes in the first place,
separatism is met with full force, go anywhere you will find that, biafra was building an army on are doorstep,
they are not lies, that is why you are sad

You don't like Igbo people its clear as day :lol:

Which attacks on the North? You do realize that even the British were appalled by the violent riots in the North. Riots that have gone on before the ink dried the declaration of independence from Britain. Am I lying?

I wouldn't work with you if you were the last human on Earth, you are a tribalist pure and simple.

You are happy when you say the SE is the worst place in Nigeria so why are you mad when people do the same to you?

You don't believe in Nigeria unless you mean Northern Nigeria.

My friend go ask Igbo people how it was after the war. You are crying because of a few insults :lol:

i do not like ibos? you are lying but i can not proof anything to you, you are free to believe i hate ibos with all my heart, something which is not at all true, you are the one who blames the north for everything,
i am honest to say i have said stupid things before, but because i was angry it was just a reaction,
i think you forgot the first coup, you fail to realise most of those people who launched those attacks were in the end just transfered to biafra's army,
i believe in nigeria, wallahi you do not know anything about me and keep on forgetting, whenever tbite starts takling about dividing nigeria i am the first to tell him we have to remain one, people have died for the country, i never wish for any bad for the east or any region of nigeria, we all have are shares of problem, and i have seen insults before, far far worst insults, that is nothing,
but you are accusing me of things that are very wrong

ibibio lost there land to ibos do you know about the aro-ibibio war? read about and see how ibos enslaved ibibio and colonised ibibioland, don't lie that historically they had good relationship,
that is actually what i mean about close proximity between ibo, efik and ibibio, i mean that cross rivers and akwa ibom are only seperated by a few miles not hours,
how am i lie, until now you have not tried to show anything which shows i am wrong, what happened to saro wiwa is irrelivant, his position in the civil war was very clear, his people were oppresed and colonised,
many people also, including ojukwu have admitted there mistakes, i also think their were mistakes in the first place,
separatism is met with full force, go anywhere you will find that, biafra was building an army on are doorstep,
they are not lies, that is why you are sad

No you don't, you just dislike Igbo people for whatever reason.

And did you know there were Ibibio groups on Arochukwu's side? So things are never cut and dry.

Can you provide sources or not.

What happened to Wiwa after the war is very important. The same man who fought for Nigeria was hanged by that same Nigeria, so what does that say about Nigeria?

I'm not sad because I know there were groups of all stripes who wanted Biafra in the Eastern region. Biafra was a promise that Nigeria of that time period could never fulfill.

The Biafran army was not perfect and neither was the Nigerian army who committed even more atrocities.

No you don't, you just dislike Igbo people for whatever reason.

And did you know there were Ibibio groups on Arochukwu's side? So things are never cut and dry.

Can you provide sources or not.

What happened to Wiwa after the war is very important. The same man who fought for Nigeria was hanged by that same Nigeria, so what does that say about Nigeria?

I'm not sad because I know there were groups of all stripes who wanted Biafra in the Eastern region. Biafra was a promise that Nigeria of that time period could never fulfill.

The Biafran army was not perfect and neither was the Nigerian army who committed even more atrocities.

let me let you know again, i do not dislike ibos at all and i swear, i have many many ibo friends, you will be surprised,
yes yes, did you know their were northerners who sympathised with ojukwu? northerners who sympathised with the first coup? you can go on, the aro and ibibio war was between ibos and ibibio, it was cut and dry you may not want to believe that,
as for my sources, it will take me forever, i have my information from things that i already knew and things i double checked, if you do not believe me just compare what i said to what you believe, i will never make up a story,
my points may not be 100% perfect but i try and be as close to the reality as possible so if you think i am wrong come up with something,
i am sure i will follow through with sources who support me,
what happened to saro wiwa after the civil war does not mean much since we were talking about the civil war,
we can bring up what happened to him after the other things are spoken about, saro wiwa was not against biafra because he loved nigeria, he was against biafra because of what he saw happened to ogonis during the civil war, d
uring ibb, murtala, abacha, alot of northerners who fought against biafra were also executed for a variety of things it does not mean they were wrong for there standing in the civil war,
i strongly believe myself that biafra could have been realised if biafrans did not get a big head and started going crazy on the mid west and the south west,
trying to capture lagos, declaring benin city an independant state, occupying and oppressing various parts in the mid west eventually was there own downfall, the judgement of biafran troops created the most atrocities

let me let you know again, i do not dislike ibos at all and i swear, i have many many ibo friends, you will be surprised,
yes yes, did you know their were northerners who sympathised with ojukwu? northerners who sympathised with the first coup? you can go on, the aro and ibibio war was between ibos and ibibio, it was cut and dry you may not want to believe that,
as for my sources, it will take me forever, i have my information from things that i already knew and things i double checked, if you do not believe me just compare what i said to what you believe, i will never make up a story,
my points may not be 100% perfect but i try and be as close to the reality as possible so if you think i am wrong come up with something,
i am sure i will follow through with sources who support me,
what happened to saro wiwa after the civil war does not mean much since we were talking about the civil war,
we can bring up what happened to him after the other things are spoken about, saro wiwa was not against biafra because he loved nigeria, he was against biafra because of what he saw happened to ogonis during the civil war, d
uring ibb, murtala, abacha, alot of northerners who fought against biafra were also executed for a variety of things it does not mean they were wrong for there standing in the civil war,
i strongly believe myself that biafra could have been realised if biafrans did not get a big head and started going crazy on the mid west and the south west,
trying to capture lagos, declaring benin city an independant state, occupying and oppressing various parts in the mid west eventually was there own downfall, the judgement of biafran troops created the most atrocities

And I'm saying I don't believe you, it is what it is.

Like I said sources or it did not happen.

do you have points which you want me to show you the sources for?
it is not possible for me to guess for which you want the sources for

Um all :? Lol

o.k, it will take me time but i will do that in a few hours time

this is the dumbest thread in the whole nigeria section

arinze for start read what biafran troops did in the midwest and how it turned against them and how it instigated the war
http://www.dawodu.net/midwest.htm
http://www.dawodu.com/okonkwo2.htm

you may find reading about murtala's story from the first coup until the civil war since he led the division which played a part in defending the midwest, few men played a bigger part
http://www.dawodu.com/siollun2.htm
read biafran troops failed attempt to capture lagos
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19670823&id=_WwUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=eQEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3173,8376
i think those were some important points but if you want anything specific just ask

I'd have to agree with Arinze. Dan Katsina has an indisputable hatred for Igbos in whatever he does and says. Some folks here also mentioned that he is Namfav on Nairaland. I checked out his posts there and based on those write-ups his hatred cannot be denied.

Some of the things he writes there as so shocking. From calling Igbo people cannibals and cowards, historical slaves to hausa-fulani (yes he said this lmao!!!), and primitives, to calling Igbo women cheap prostitutes/sex fiends and Igbo men evil and women killers. I can only feel sorry for the so-called Igbo friends he has. What he must think of them then.

It seems that many Northerners share the same sentiment too. I actually used to have empathy for these folks but after seeing what they really think of us forget all of that.

Thank God for the internet. At least you know what others are thinking. That people are in the same country with you does not mean that they like you. Actually for that they can hate you with a passion, as has been proven time and time again in Nigeria. I also hope that those "detribalised" Igbos who go all over the place in Nigeria can see the country for what it is and focus on improving their home regions. No place like home.

I also hereby decide to treat any Northern Nigerian I meet with extreme caution.

Its the realities on the ground, unfortunately.

I keep saying it but he keeps denying it, you cannot talk so badly about Igbo people and at the same time have Igbo friends unless you are fake and phony person.

I have no idea what Igbo people did to Northerners that warrant such dislike but that's their business.

I'd have to agree with Arinze. Dan Katsina has an indisputable hatred for Igbos in whatever he does and says. Some folks here also mentioned that he is Namfav on Nairaland. I checked out his posts there and based on those write-ups his hatred cannot be denied.

Some of the things he writes there as so shocking. From calling Igbo people cannibals and cowards, historical slaves to hausa-fulani (yes he said this lmao!!!), and primitives, to calling Igbo women cheap prostitutes/sex fiends and Igbo men evil and women killers. I can only feel sorry for the so-called Igbo friends he has. What he must think of them then.

It seems that many Northerners share the same sentiment too. I actually used to have empathy for these folks but after seeing what they really think of us forget all of that.

Thank God for the internet. At least you know what others are thinking. That people are in the same country with you does not mean that they like you. Actually for that they can hate you with a passion, as has been proven time and time again in Nigeria. I also hope that those "detribalised" Igbos who go all over the place in Nigeria can see the country for what it is and focus on improving their home regions. No place like home.

I also hereby decide to treat any Northern Nigerian I meet with extreme caution.

you have to grow up, you are living in a fantasy even if hate something why should you say you do not? but it is not about me,
let us talk about history and stop destroying the details by making things personal, you and arinze know history is the truth that is why you want to defame my name, if from now on you will not trust any northerners no one cares, you are a small fish,
i deal with different people even every day for me it is true you have never met anyone other than a southerner in you're life

now back to port harcourt in 1968

Its the realities on the ground, unfortunately.

I keep saying it but he keeps denying it, you cannot talk so badly about Igbo people and at the same time have Igbo friends unless you are fake and phony person.

I have no idea what Igbo people did to Northerners that warrant such dislike but that's their business.

if lying is in your blood do not do that with me please, until now i have not had any problems with you or anyone else here

the end of the war

in 1968, many civilians were caught up in the fight, the capture of towns key towns like umuahia, arochukwu and so on meant that the biafran government could not provide for it's people as most routes were blocked, this dragged on for months and as such many people died of illness and many civilians in the side of biafra were caught up in the middle of the lines of fire, so in 1970 the division of obj launched the final attack at the heart of biafra capturing one of the few towns held by biafra since the 1968 offensive the town of owerri, with nigeria coming close to the hideout of ojukwu the then leader of biafra, ojukwu ran away to ivory coast capital and effoing (a non ibo) took over from him and was leader for less than 5 days accepting the collapse of the state of biafra until surrendering after nigeria continuing taking over biafran areas with no fight, that is how the civil war came to an end, in january of 1970

effiong with gowon

http://images.biafranigeriaworld.com/BNW-Effiong-meets-Gowon-at-1970-armistice.jpg

i just want to mention on effiong that he had an interview where he mentioned the civil war from the side of biafra, read it
http://www.tellng.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=854:ojukwu-was-a-dictator-%E2%80%93-phillip-effiong&Itemid=164

if lying is in your blood do not do that with me please, until now i have not had any problems with you or anyone else here

Am I lying your posts are on Nairaland to see.

If I recall a week or two after joining here you began your usual tirade of Igbo people are cannibals, if I look now I can easily find those posts.

If anyone is angry I dare say its you, your folks won the civil war yet are in no better position than the losers of the war. How is it that there is more industrialization in Nnewi than much of the North when much of the SE was burned to the ground? How is it that every SE state manages to be in the top rankings for exam scores when government support has been lacking in the region?

How is it possible that 40 years of leaders from one particular region has no tangible benefit for those people?

I guess I would be pissed too if the folks I marginalized manage to better than I'm doing:lol:

This coming from the guy who said nobody likes Igbo people yet he has Igbo friends what a conundrum :rofl:

Am I lying your posts are on Nairaland to see.

If I recall a week or two after joining here you began your usual tirade of Igbo people are cannibals, if I look now I can easily find those posts.

If anyone is angry I dare say its you, your folks won the civil war yet are in no better position than the losers of the war. How is it that there is more industrialization in Nnewi than much of the North when much of the SE was burned to the ground? How is it that every SE state manages to be in the top rankings for exam scores when government support has been lacking in the region?

How is it possible that 40 years of leaders from one particular region has no tangible benefit for those people?

I guess I would be pissed too if the folks I marginalized manage to better than I'm doing:lol:

This coming from the guy who said nobody likes Igbo people yet he has Igbo friends what a conundrum :rofl:

i have shared words with ibos, on nairaland and here, with you as well,
do you remember the ibo girl here who used to insult me and my family? why do you think i had a reaction?
i promised never to use any words against any tribe as we are all equal, something which i have done respectably, i am not a tribalist, i have cousins who are half yoruba, i shared words with ibos that is all,
if i see any ibo we share words with i am sure i will make that person comfortable

you have to grow up, you are living in a fantasy even if hate something why should you say you do not? but it is not about me,
let us talk about history and stop destroying the details by making things personal, you and arinze know history is the truth that is why you want to defame my name, if from now on you will not trust any northerners no one cares, you are a small fish,
i deal with different people even every day for me it is true you have never met anyone other than a southerner in you're life

Who is defaming your name or living in fantasy world? Anyone can easily go to Nairaland and see all your written words in all their glory? :?

On the bolded - I really pity those people especially Igbos. How easy it would be you to deal with them if, for instance, it came to light that they knew exactly what you think of them and what you do behind their backs 24/7 on different message boards?

Don't let this small fish stop you oooo! Continue to do what you do best LMAO.

Now that we have gotten the real issues out of the way, you continue with your retarded "history" lesson while better people peace out to live life.

Bye! :)

Who is defaming your name or living in fantasy world? Anyone can easily go to Nairaland and see all your written words in all their glory? :?

On the bolded - I really pity those people especially Igbos. How easy it would be you to deal with them if, for instance, it came to light that they knew exactly what you think of them and what you do behind their backs 24/7 on different message boards?

Don't let this small fish stop you oooo! Continue to do what you do best LMAO.

it is false because that is not what i am, i am not a tribalist,
if you find i am angry just know it is self defense, if you call me a goat i will not be happy,
on nairaland i have ibos who are also my friends on facebook, every house has its own fights, you and arinze do not know anything, really small kids

Now that we have gotten the real issues out of the way, you continue with your retarded "history" lesson while better people peace out to live life.

Bye! :)

i knew you were just angry because i spoken the true, remove the hatred and bitterness from your heart brother

i have shared words with ibos, on nairaland and here, with you as well,
do you remember the ibo girl here who used to insult me and my family? why do you think i had a reaction?
i promised never to use any words against any tribe as we are all equal, something which i have done respectably, i am not a tribalist, i have cousins who are half yoruba, i shared words with ibos that is all,
if i see any ibo we share words with i am sure i will make that person comfortable

Angry about what :lol: much of what you posted is mostly half truths and whole lies, but that's par for you.

No, I do remember someone who also called you out on your bullshit from time to time:lol:

My friend I've seen you go on a thread on Nairaland throw out an insult towards Igbo people and the thread has nothing whatsoever to do with them :laugh:

Well I guess you have broken that promise already, on this site and NL.

No you can still be a tribalist just towards Igbo people.

And after they leave your presence you talk about them like a dog :lol:

Can we put the Northerners are trustworthy people myth to a rest because I have exhibit A here that says otherwise :lol:

Maybe this Boko Haram nonsense will get folks to open their eyes and realize the folks they have for neighbors.

It sounds mean but just dealing with you Dan makes me distrustful of anything a Northerner (Hausa or Fulani) has to say. Your politeness is of a fake and phony type that as many have found out can lead you to your grave if one is not careful.

How a person can be your friend and neighbor one morning kill you the next because of a cartoon by a Dutchman.

Anyway continue with your thread, I've seen your madness and want no part of it.

Angry about what :lol: much of what you posted is mostly half truths and whole lies, but that's par for you.

No, I do remember someone who also called you out on your bullshit from time to time:lol:

My friend I've seen you go on a thread on Nairaland throw out an insult towards Igbo people and the thread has nothing whatsoever to do with them :laugh:

Well I guess you have broken that promise already, on this site and NL.

No you can still be a tribalist just towards Igbo people.

And after they leave your presence you talk about them like a dog :lol:

Can we put the Northerners are trustworthy people myth to a rest because I have exhibit A here that says otherwise :lol:

Maybe this Boko Haram nonsense will get folks to open their eyes and realize the folks they have for neighbors.

if you think i have done wrong, what can i say? just sorry for being to self defensive, but you do not take apologies

1975 next

I really wish Britain never gave Nigeria Independence because look at what its turned to. now i'm not saying we don't need independence but of course we will be given rights of how to rule our country.The amount of Nigerians regret ever being involved for fighting for Nigeria's independence but i don't blame them they never thought Nigeria will turn into this.:ohno:

^togolese.

right i'm in a good mood right now so i'm not willing to argue because think yourself do i seem Togolese i come from a Yoruba background that i hardly know of because i'm not born or breed from Nigeria in my name you will see Anu short for Anuoluwapo but i think its too long so i kinda just changed it a bit you happy now stop calling me togolese its getting really annoying now can anyone edit of what i have too say about the independence of Nigeria please.thank you