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Baria

December 4th, 2006, 04:28 AM

Vietnam's high-speed IT rise
David Fullbrook
12/2/2006

With new foreign investments pouring in and more than 600 software-oriented firms already in place, Vietnam's information-technology sector is by all measures going great guns. And recent big-ticket investments from the multinational likes of Intel and Canon could soon establish Vietnam as a low-cost IT leader in the region, challenging the positions of such countries as Thailand and the Philippines.
US technology giant Intel this month announced plans to boost its investment in Vietnam to US$1 billion, a mere nine months after the company unveiled plans to spend $300 million on a factory to assemble and test microchips in Ho Chi Minh City. Canon is meanwhile spending $1 billion on a new printer factory in Hanoi, while Alcatel, Fujitsu and Siemens are all increasingly sticking "Made in Vietnam" on their products.
Where Intel goes, the IT industry often tends to follow. "Intel going in means they will bring along their supplier network - these are global companies that have to move with Intel," said Dieter Ernst, a senior fellow at Hawaii's East-West Center who researches innovation offshoring. "The industry notes these developments. It's very likely that other firms will follow."
In addition to suppliers ranging from household names like NEC, TDK and Kelly Services to obscure specialists such as Daewon Semiconductor Packaging, Dainippon Screen Manufacturing, Munters, and STATS ChipPAC, Intel's preference for sourcing locally will likely provide opportunities for dozens, if not hundreds, of new Vietnamese technology companies. That growing mass of suppliers will in turn make Vietnam more attractive for other global IT manufacturers.
Vietnam, which only really opened to manufacturing-oriented foreign investments in 2000 after a botched liberalization period in the early 1990s, significantly won the Intel contract against better-established IT regional players, including Thailand, Malaysia and the Philippines.
"After an extensive search, Intel selected a site in the Saigon High Tech Park because of its good physical infrastructure, the available workforce and the tremendous interest in information technology in Vietnam as evidenced by the rapid growth of the industry there," said Rick Howarth, general manager of Intel Products Vietnam in Ho Chi Minh City.
Vietnam's IT-relevant infrastructure and educational attainment are quickly catching up to Thailand, and arguably are soon set to overtake those in the Philippines. Malaysia has a bigger infrastructure lead, established manufacturing facilities by the likes of Intel, Microsoft and Seagate, and a much larger workforce fluent in English. But Malaysia has wholly failed to self-generate a new class of so-called "technopreneurs", as the government envisaged through its establishment of the Multimedia Super Corridor in 1996.
Though Vietnam is emerging as a mean competitor in Southeast Asia, it still pales next to China, which offers a huge market, masses of suppliers and a strong research base. However, for big Japanese and Taiwanese investors at least, Vietnam is free from the cultural or political baggage that goes with investing in China. Moreover, Vietnam's population is younger and more eager to learn than China's new generation of techies, and the bureaucratic hassle of doing business for IT firms is less severe in Hanoi than Beijing, industry sources say.
And, of course, IT firms are also drawn to Vietnam by the low wages. An experienced programmer on average earns $7,200 per year there, compared with China's going wage of $8,900, according to recent United Nations Development Program statistics.

Innovation premium
Vietnamese firms have importantly placed a premium on innovation, spending 1.42% of their sales on research and development, compared with just 0.15% by Thai IT firms and against a regional average of 1.24%, according to a recent International Finance Corp survey. Meanwhile, firms in Vietnam report waiting on average 17.57 days for electricity to be connected to new facilities, against a 23.64-day wait in Thailand. A main telephone line, meanwhile, is connected on average in 8.83 days in Vietnam, compared with a regional average of 9.32 days and 15.52 days in Thailand, according to the same survey.
Vietnam is rapidly plugging in its economy, in some areas faster than regional neighbors such as Thailand. More than 13.7 million Vietnamese, or 16.5% of the population, now regularly use the Internet, of whom 3.8 million surfers are regular subscribers, according to information compiled by the Vietnam Internet Network Information Center. That total figure has skyrocketed from 8.1 million in September 2005. In comparison, Thailand's National Electronics and Computer Technology Center reckoned 7.08 million people, or 8.75% of the population, were using the Internet as of last November.
Thailand's connection to the global Internet amounted to 9,904 megabits per second of bandwidth in November, against 1,010Mbps in December 2002, a reflection of its larger economy. However, Vietnam's international bandwidth is likewise growing rapidly, almost certainly now exceeding 6,000Mbps after reaching 5,795Mbps in September, up from 3,505Mbps last December. Greater bandwidth capabilities are important for boosting Internet speeds, a crucial factor for software services, online solutions and outsourcing - all rapid-growth areas for Vietnam.
Education is another key factor. About 40% of Thai students study beyond high school, compared with just 10% in Vietnam. However, Vietnamese high-school students are widely perceived to be stronger in math, which gives them an edge when it comes to IT.
"Something seems to work better in Vietnam. Company managers tell me they have good experiences - people are trainable, motivated, they can easily move beyond routine tasks and come up with solutions. I hear that more in Vietnam than a number of other countries," said Ernst, the innovation expert.
Intel's billion-dollar investment will strengthen the hand of those Vietnamese policymakers now advocating more state nurturing of the industry. And outside experts say Hanoi increasingly views the Internet and communications technology as fundamental to developing the broad national economy.
"There is no doubt that they see IT as important. Just as electricity was part of Russia 's modernization for Lenin, the Internet is part of the modernization of Vietnam for the government," said David Dapice, a specialist in development economics at the United States' Tufts University who is now researching and advising on economic reform in Vietnam.
One way is to promote Internet-ready mobile telephony to make up for a shortage of land lines. To that end, Vietnam has six mobile-phone firms battling for customers, and some are already preparing to roll out third-generation networks providing wireless broadband Internet. Mobile-phone subscriptions are doubling every two years in Vietnam, and in July 18.5% of the population owned a handset.
With Intel's support, Vietnam is already running pilot projects using the cutting-edge technology WiMAX (worldwide interoperability for microwave access), which offers higher speeds and range measured in kilometers rather than the mere meters of wi-fi (wireless fidelity). Commercial roll-out of WiMAX remains limited even in developed countries. Proving WiMAX's potential in Vietnam could pay dividends for Intel by stoking demand for its WiMAX chips in other developing countries that suffer from chronic shortages of phone lines and limited Internet access.
Vietnam's WiMAX projects aim to connect rural areas with public access to the Internet through telecenters. Through these, the government hopes to deliver better public services, such as health advice and farming tips, more efficiently. Further down the road it will be possible, and perhaps economically viable, to outsource some back-office operations to villages, providing an alternative for some to migrating to the cities.
Such ambitious projects show that Vietnamese officials - in some ministries at least - are increasingly thinking about how to apply information technology and wireless communications as tools for beating poverty and creating jobs in knowledge industries up and beyond traditional low-wage manufacturing jobs. "There is a concern in Vietnam about spreading development to the poorer areas," said Dapice, the development economist.
And that's arguably where Vietnam suddenly has an edge on its more economically established neighbors. For instance, Thailand's bureaucratic legacy and deeply ingrained approaches to managing the economy make it hard to overturn and reform because it would threaten so many vested interests, often connected to political cliques. The Philippines and Malaysia similarly suffer from bureaucratic morasses.
Vietnam's autocracy is often crude, and its strict structures are certainly no paragon of efficiency. But despite this and rapidly growing corruption, the communist government tends to issue clearer policies and implement them with more determination than Thailand's and the Philippines' fits-and-starts democracy, some economic experts contend. "In comparison with Thailand, the political decision-making processes can move faster once they've reached a certain a position on a policy," said Ernst.
It would be premature to write off Thailand's, the Philippines' and other regional countries' established IT industries because of Vietnam's recent rise and growing attractiveness to global IT companies. But Vietnam 's concentration on the industry is fast eroding other countries' head start. If Intel's recent decision is a sign of the times, Vietnam is set to draw more IT-related investments that would have previously been destined for elsewhere in the region.
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Asia Times Online

Siddude

December 4th, 2006, 11:21 PM

Vietnam's connection to Viet Kieu in Silicon Valley helps.

Capee

December 5th, 2006, 05:33 AM

Siddude,
I love your sign :) . Does it mean "Con Rồng Cháu Tiên"?

December 5th, 2006, 11:23 AM

oh man...a lot of new members in the recent days ^_^

coolink

December 5th, 2006, 11:15 PM

you want me to twist it baria?

VietnamCalling

December 6th, 2006, 02:12 AM

Bang, you're a post whore aren't you? LOL

Baria

December 6th, 2006, 04:06 AM

you want me to twist it baria?

I know that you are an expert on this! You don't have to prove it to me.
If you know that Vietnam twisted the news, why would you quote them so often?

Baria

December 6th, 2006, 04:13 AM

Posted on: Tuesday, 5 December 2006, 09:00 CST
Vietnam's Computer, Electronics Export Surges in 11 Months

HANOI, Dec. 4 (Xinhua) -- Vietnam earned over 1.6 billion U.S. dollars from exporting computers and electronics appliances in the first 11 months of this year, up 22.7 percent over the same period last year.

Many of the products were exported to Thailand, Japan, the United States and the Philippines, according to the Vietnam Electronic Industries Association on Monday. "We reaped nearly 1.5 billion dollars from exporting electronics goods, including computers, in 2005. By penetrating deeply into both traditional and new markets, including Japan, some Southeast Asian countries, China, South Korea and France, we can make export turnover of 2 billion dollars this year," said the association's general secretary Tran Quang Hung.

To gain bigger export revenues and maintain domestic market shares under pressure of regional tariff reduction roadmaps, electronics producers in Vietnam, many of them are making electronics appliances under outsourcing contracts with foreign firms, should increase the added value in their products, which currently stands at only 10-15 percent, he said.

The producers should either design their own product models, instead of relying on models supplied by the foreign firms, or strengthen production of components and spare parts for export, he said, noting that foreign-invested enterprises in Vietnam are doing that very well.

Vietnam spent over 1.8 billion dollars importing electronics goods, computers and their components between January and November, a year-on-year rise of 20.1 percent. Its key import markets included Singapore, Japan, China and the United States, according to the association.

(c) 2006 Xinhua News Agency - CEIS. Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning. All rights Reserved.
Source: Xinhua News Agency - CEIS

coolink

December 6th, 2006, 11:08 PM

baria you love commie ......admit it......i forgive you.

but da first news already posted by wantuhoa...ha

Baria

December 7th, 2006, 01:44 AM

baria you love commie ......admit it......i forgive you.

but da first news already posted by wantuhoa...ha

Don't you dare to call other a commie just because not agreeing with your twisted mind. Who needs your "forgiveness"? Keep it for yourself.

You twisted or mocked every news from Vietnam, just because some commie police got your money? Was that all? Cheap!!! And if you hate the commie so much, why do you care what they are building? I think you care about destruction more than construction. You thrive on Vietnam's mis-fortunes like typhoons, etc. Fit for a wicked mind?

This is the last line I have with you, because there is no point debating with some one who is so stuborn and a sore looser!

Simply "trâu buộc ghét trâu ăn," no more, no less. Shame!!!

Siddude

December 7th, 2006, 04:41 AM

Why do people have to self-censor themselves? If a person doesn't like a post or response, then don't read it. It's not the end of the world.

Capee

December 7th, 2006, 05:24 AM

Siddude,
The bottom line is: Marx-Lenin philosophy is still kicking and alive in VN. I don't know when people learn to take each other's critique with class and respect everyone else opinion :ohno: either you like it or not. The commie bully's philosophy is well indoctrinated... it's gonna be a long time, I guess...

famster

December 7th, 2006, 05:43 AM

Baria

December 7th, 2006, 04:32 PM

Baria, don't take Bang too seriously. He likes to joke around sometimes but he is definitely not the fanatic anti-communists one usually sees in every forum. He is entitled to his opinion about "commie" or whatever, just like the rest of us who have opinions on different things in here.

Thanks, Farmster.:)

His jokes have bad tastes. Diễu dở, diễu dai!!!

He is entitled to his commie opinion, but just don't impose it on others!

chinatown

December 7th, 2006, 04:56 PM

in my UOL (uni of London) sociology exam i basted marx's theory,advocated Weber's theory and i got how much?? 67%! the 2nd highest in my class of ~400 students, wuahahaa.

shike

December 7th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Hey hey, i m sure you ve done some of OB, can you help me with it?

Siddude

December 7th, 2006, 06:02 PM

Yea, you're right Capee! I always like this quote from Helen Keller.

"The highest result of education is tolerance"

That's why I always think a mark of civilization is how tolerant it is. That is true; especially, in thought, art, religion, politics, and culture. The more educated the society is the more tolerant it is.

vkameleon

December 7th, 2006, 10:41 PM

coolink

December 7th, 2006, 11:15 PM

Thanks, Farmster.:)

His jokes have bad tastes. Diễu dở, diễu dai!!!

He is entitled to his commie opinion, but just don't impose it on others!

oooooooo friend
let me help U

Diễu dở, diễu dai, diễu forever........diễu tới khi nào mi tóc bạc răng long luôn......răng mi chưa long ta sẽ tìm cách làm cho nó long.....be afraid, be very afraid

ok commie it is

Capee

December 8th, 2006, 05:35 PM

Source:
New Supermarkets Challenge Vietnamese Traditional Markets, Street Vendors (http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-12-07-voa37.cfm)
By Matt Steinglass
Hanoi
07 December 2006

As Vietnam's economy expands and consumers get richer, traditional markets and street vendors are facing increasing competition from big supermarket chains. The government sees "superstores" like Thailand's Big C as a symbol of economic progress, but some people fear they could harm Vietnam's culture, and its poorest citizens. Matt Steinglass reports from Hanoi.

http://www.voanews.com/english/images/afpVietnamStreetVendor210.jpg
A fruit vendor rides a rickshaw on her way to a local market in Ho Chi Minh City

Vendors are a familiar part of Hanoi street life. Carrying their goods in twin baskets suspended from shoulder poles, or on the backs of bicycles, they sell everything from dragonfruit and sticky rice to whisk brooms and plastic buckets.

But their trade is not legal. Fruit vendor Hoa had just been chased away from her spot behind Dong Xuan Market by a security agent.

Hoa says she is scared of the police, who often fine her $5, more than she makes in a day. But she has no other way to survive, so she will come back and try again another day.

Now, street vendors have more to worry about than just the police. Per-capita income in Vietnam is growing by eight percent a year, and modern supermarkets are proliferating in the country's cities. Newcomers include Thailand's Big C, and Germany-based Metro Cash & Carry.

A recent conference in Hanoi, sponsored by the organization, Markets for the Poor, discussed the impact of supermarkets on poor people. One speaker was Paule Moustier, an agricultural economist with the MALICA research consortium, who studies produce supply chains in Vietnam.

"The supermarkets in fact do not create as many jobs as the street vending or the normal markets, because they want to save on labor cost," he said. "Supermarkets will have to squeeze prices, and they will have to pay farmers lower and lower prices. That is the trend we observe in Europe and the U.S."

http://www.voanews.com/english/images/Vietnamsupermarket210.jpg
A woman chooses eggs at a supermarket in Hanoi

Moustier also says that supermarkets are too expensive for poor consumers.

It is a debate that recurs frequently as Asian nations modernize. Hong Kong and Singapore have issued tight restrictions on street vendors. India is debating the imminent arrival of the U.S.-based superstore, Wal-Mart, and what affect it will have on the millions of small shop owners there.

Many Vietnamese officials say they would be happy for supermarkets to replace traditional street vendors entirely. Ho Quoc Khanh works at the Hanoi Department of Trade.

He says the Hanoi government has been trying to clear the streets of vendors since 2002, because they disrupt traffic and public security, and make foreign visitors think Hanoi is just one big market. He is also concerned whether the food they sell is clean.

The vice chairman of a Hanoi district People's Committee, Luu That Thang, also thinks the vendors are a problem.

Besides the food hygiene problem, Thang says, street vendors make the city less beautiful. He says the government should license the vendors, and assign them to specific areas.

But many people, both locals and visitors, feel the traders make Hanoi more interesting.

Tran Le is a reporter at the Vietnam Economic Times newspaper.

Le says street vendors are part of Vietnamese culture, and that he will remember the sales cries of chicken-soup vendors until the day he dies. He says giving vendors licenses and restricting their movements would be like going back to the old communist planned economy, and would never work.

Paule Moustier agrees that much would be lost if the vendors disappeared.

"For many people, both Vietnamese and foreigners, the street vendors add to the beauty of the city, because it is so nice to see women in conical hats on their bikes and motorbikes, and very colorful products, vegetables and flowers," he added. "It is quite biased that the Vietnamese administration in Hanoi say they are harmful to the beauty of the city."

At a Hanoi branch of Metro Cash & Carry, there are no conical hats or cries of "chicken soup" - just supermarket pushcarts, and the ringing of cash registers.

Customers have flocked here since the massive store opened three years ago. One reason given by many consumers: you do not have to bargain.

An army officer, An, 37, says she finds the vegetables at Metro "safe." The prices are cheap too, she says, but the main thing is safety.

In fact, researchers say the levels of pesticides on supermarket produce are only slightly lower than street vendors'.

Moustier says ideally, Vietnam should promote a mixed retail economy of farmers' markets, street vendors, and supermarkets.

But for the moment, street traders will have a hard time competing with supermarkets for the money of Vietnam's increasingly prosperous shoppers, and Hanoi's police continue their off-and-on campaign to drive them out.

But for vendors like this orange seller, the government's efforts will have little effect.

She says the police fine her all the time, but she keeps coming back to sell here. She does not have any other way to make a living.

coolink

December 8th, 2006, 11:58 PM

it's friday I have time now, lets talk why not.

You twisted or mocked every news from Vietnam,

we need facts not fiction.

just because some commie police got your money? Was that all?

nope..... not only that.
But I want to let them know what once you swallow something you bound to spit it out one way or another.

I don't just speak for myself......I speak on behalfs of all my neighbours in Vietnam who complaint to me about how much money they had to bribe the local police for every big and small services over the time.

when they bought houses....some had to bribe the police "10-12 luong vang" you know how much that was in USD? $8.000-10.000 thousand USD.

when my neighbour married a girl in CAn THo, the wife had to pay the police "1-2 luong vang" to transfer and legalize her stay in the city.

1 guy around my age, the police mistaken him for a robber ....without question .....they took him during midnight when he was sleeping.....then beat him senseless.

In a democratic state we all know the famous phrase "inocence until proven guity" but that's not the case with your commi government.
when I talked to him......he asked me many times to find him a girl in Canada so he could get married and get out of Vietnam.

not to mention when you buy a bike, put your kids to school...practically the whole entire Bui Thi Xuan street where my family live complaint...they even named names of the particulars police in the police station.

so until they cut your own throat, you can not feel the pain.

Cheap!!!
this is not mocking, it's a compliment.

tell you a personal story.
usually people have 1-2 bank accounts from 1-2 banks. I have 5 accounts, from 4 banks. (3 saving accounts) and 1 of the accounts is reserved mainly for the coins I found on the streets....guess how much I have in that account by picking coins?......... over $4.000....next christmas I will have around $6000. and this is no joke.

so when the commie police took haft a million dongs /500.000 = $50 CAD from me....that's too much....TOO MUCH

And if you hate the commie so much, why do you care what they are building?

let separate the regime and the country for 1 moment shall we? and all those buildings are built by Japanese, chinese, asean countries, europe, US, OZ, Canada.....not the commie money....if it was the money came from the people's taxes.

I think you care about destruction more than construction.

nonsense

You thrive on Vietnam's mis-fortunes like typhoons, etc. Fit for a wicked mind?

nonsense

This is the last line I have with you,

lies, all lies
you said this before and you still talking to me.....you could simply posted the news instead of added the words "twist this" .........that was an invitation for me to come. so I came

because there is no point debating with some one who is so stuborn and a sore looser!

no.
From what I know you're like me: bac ky 54.....so your family left for baria, then baria wasn't good enough, you left for saigon, and when the commie took over saigon....... you left for refugees camp in South east asia....then ended up in the USA....and you now you said the commie government is good... it's alright.......that is sore loser

because my family left hanoi, and saigon for a reason.....according to you....the VN government is good ....then you have no reason for leaving Vietnam.

Simply "trâu buộc ghét trâu ăn," no more, no less. Shame!!!

nope
when all those Vietnamese protesting on the streets around the world and demanded democracy for Vietnam.....it doesn't mean they hold any grudges agaisn't the government.....but they are speaking up for the 80 millions Vietnamese who couldn't say a dang word.....and still being tortured by the commie government.

catholic, protestant priests, ........budhist, cao dai, hoa hao monks, and all the religious leaders they are the most forgiving people you could find......but they are also the ones who still protesting the commie government, and demanded religious rights, human rights and democracy for Vietnam.

so don't tell me you are bigger person than other people just because you know how to forgive and forget and have no grudges against the past and the government.

Good day!

Saigoneseguy

December 9th, 2006, 02:13 AM

calm down bang! plz keep this issue personal

Capee

December 9th, 2006, 04:21 AM

nope
when all those Vietnamese protesting on the streets around the world and demanded democracy for Vietnam.....it doesn't mean they hold any grudges agaisn't the government.....but they are speaking up for the 80 millions Vietnamese who couldn't say a dang word.....and still being tortured by the commie government.

catholic, protestant priests, ........budhist, cao dai, hoa hao monks, and all the religious leaders they are the most forgiving people you could find......but they are also the ones who still protesting the commie government, and demanded religious rights, human rights and democracy for Vietnam.

so don't tell me you are bigger person than other people just because you know how to forgive and forget and have no grudges against the past and the government.

Good day!
I didn't know this "baria" guy speaking for millions VN living oversea world wide :lol: :lol: :lol:

And for my highness "admin": just chill-out!!! let everyone speak their mind... it's good for VN.

Siddude

December 9th, 2006, 05:15 AM

Good for you Bang! I love the ordinary people Vietnam and still think about them. Ignoring their injustice does not mean the injustice is not there.

famster

December 9th, 2006, 07:07 AM

vkameleon

December 9th, 2006, 07:46 AM

chinatown

December 9th, 2006, 07:52 AM

plz come back to VN,baria! u'r the pride of the government!

Capee

December 9th, 2006, 06:29 PM

plz come back to VN,baria! u'r the pride of the government!
Joking aside!!! Does anybody know how many Vietnamese foreign students actually come back after school? The data will be telling ...

famster,

I wish I could share your optimism... I just wonder how much more VN could advance if they can determine their own future. I do not read "hai ngoai" press, so I can't tell... However, the corruption in VN that is on the open is only at the tip of the iceberg... My conversation with some VK trying to strike a deal to do business in VN telling the same story. Everything you do, you have to bribe from an "indian" type official on the street, everyone else in between, all the way to the "chief". Another the word, it's well entrenched top to bottom ... It's very discouraging to say the least.

Even in the West, we haven't seen a chief firing himself for the better of the company welfare and its survival :ohno: .

sqd

December 9th, 2006, 10:20 PM

Joking aside!!! Does anybody know how many Vietnamese foreign students actually come back after school? The data will be telling ...
I would say none return.

Vietnamese, we only care about our own personal interests, not the interests of the nation. This applies to every common person from bottom to the top politicians of the country.

fatcat

December 9th, 2006, 10:41 PM

I would say none return.

Vietnamese, we only care about our own personal interests, not the interests of the nation. This applies to every common person from bottom to the top politicians of the country.

Wrong,the data said that 45 pct of Vietnamese going study abroad and then came back.Better,85 pct have willingness to return home.
I'm a Viet going abroad to study and next year i'll finish my 2nd master in Economics.After presenting my Master dissertation,i'll return home and work in Vietnam.
If someone don't even know anything about the reality,don't say nonsenses.
Here in France,i see top talent Vietnamese who graduated from "Grand Ecole de France" return home every years.Being a member of Vietnamese student in France Association,i have contact with our compatriots in UK and Germany:People disapear every year and the last infomation show that they're all in Vietnam and hold many positions of responsability in FDI firm,Big public firm,in administration.You must to know that 5/7 economic advisor of Prime Minister NGUYEN Tan Dung had an Phd or was an Ass Prof at Harvard University.2 others held PhD at LSE(London School of Economics).
So be clear about that.Don't make assumption upon your own attitude.

One more information,Chinese Gov sent every years 35000 top scholars and engineers abroad.From 1986 to 1996,only 10 pct return to China and see how China is rising as Economic powerhouse of the World.
So,compatriots,be optimism.And one more thing,if you've got any chance working in VN,don't hesitate.Let do our best for our countries and people(not for Commies of courses)

sqd

December 9th, 2006, 11:29 PM

fatcat,

Can you let us know what is your expected salary in VN if you have a master in economics?

famster

December 10th, 2006, 12:03 AM

Capee,

I totally understand your frustration of corruption in VN. It is a problem that the communist government ignored for a long, long time. But with the change in leadership, I think we are starting to see that problem's being worked at. The communist party already knows that corruption is a major problem for it. As a matter of fact, its survival will depend on whether and how it is going to weed out corruptions within all ranks of the government and I believe it is going to work very hard to keep this problem under control.

Someone might say that exposure of corruption cases being broadcasted all over the Vietnamese media lately is just a show. But if you look back as recent as 7 years ago, I don't think you would find anything of that magnitude being reported in any newspaper within VN. This is a good sign because the press is being allowed to have more freedom and with its help, corruptions will continue to be exposed and once exposed, something WILL be done.

Some of my old school colleagues have come back and worked in VN. I am sure they have met with problems but it seems that all of them are doing exceptionally well over there. (Otherwise, they would come back to the U.S., don't you think?) One of these guys now owns and operates a very famous software company that develops video games for American companies.

Despite all the problems, I am confident in the future of Vietnam, Capee.

Saigoneseguy

December 10th, 2006, 12:07 AM

Young people shouldn't put salary or other benefits as primary goal imo.

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 12:19 AM

Constructive critism is one thing, blind criticism just for the sake of criticism is another!

No matter what you think, the Vietnamese government will remain communist for a long, long time. Bringing up the past mistakes it made is good to a point to remind it never to repeat those mistakes. But along with that, acknowlege what it has done for the country. Vietnam today is so much better than it once was. Without the stability provided by the communist government, do you really think that foreign investments would come at the rate they have been coming? The growth of the economy is the hard work of many people, government included, so discredit NO ONE!

Baria is not exaggerating when he speaks of people who thrive on Vietnam's misfortunes. Many are like that, pioneering by the so called 'hai ngoai' media.

Baria never claims to be the voice of overseas Vietnamese. But his voice resonates better for me than Bang's. I, for one, am an overseas Vietnamese who have nothing against the government of Vietnam. It is going on the right path that will continue to lead Vietnam to a better rank among the countries of the world!

who's bringing up the past?
we're talking about the ......right here, right now.

they want oversea vietnamese to forget about the past.....yet they're still hanging on to it. read their commie news, their commie books, their commie movies.

when you want people to do something...you do it first......simple as that.

you know who are the people that thrive on Vietnam misfortune? those Vietnamese oversea traitors......

when Vietnam was killed by the commies....they ran.....they didn't care million of people still had to eat "khoai lang, khoai san, bo bo"
when life changes a little, they come back to Vietnam and praise the commie and how good they have done for the country.
those are the ones who thrive on Vietnam misfortune.

the Vietnamese oversea media. they have new lives, families, in the new countries now....they have no time to bother with VN and its government, except for their love and passion for the unfortunate Vietnamese people.

you know how many foreign investments was chased away by the Vietnamese government?
you know how long they;ve been holding back the growth of Vietnam economy?
"communist gives vietnam stability"......I think you're underestimated how many educated vietnamese around the world are reading this.
I won't say nothing but let them be the judges.

right now you read all the news you see all the rosey images......you don't really care how many Vietnamese in Vietnam are crying right at this moment as we're speaking.
that's to me is thriving on Vietnam misfortune

Saigoneseguy

December 10th, 2006, 12:26 AM

"communist gives vietnam stability"

This time i have to agree with u, contrary to China, a bunch of hardcore communists in BCT is trying to put Vietnam in a nearly still motion, very stable.

Siddude

December 10th, 2006, 01:10 AM

Look we are passionate about what is happening in Vietnam! This has already been said but I will say again, we are critical of the government, they hold the reins of power in VN, and it has been this way for over 50 years in the North and over 30 years in the South. How is being critical of the government the same as criticizing the people or the nation? People in the West and progressive Asian countries criticize their leaders all the time, it's a natural order of things to do that. Have you ever read any poetry from Confuncian China or Vietnam? They were critical of the rulers of the day too. How does society progress if there is no introspection, no self-reflection, no honest reappraisal of the problems and issues of the day? In order to solve problems, people have to have a forum to discuss, to debate, and to analyze in a peaceful civilized way. If you deny that a problem exist, or ignore it, the problem will not go away. What we are doing is the very foundation of a civil society! We can see problems exist and we bring it up to see and to analyze.

Vietnam is a 19th Century society at the moment. She has made great progress but all this progress is just a start. She has a lot ground to make up. VN is one of the most corrupt societies in the world. This aspect is a reflection of her underdevelopment. Transparency International ranks her 107th out of 159 nations for corruption. She is in the same league as Zimbabwe, Belarus, and Ukraine.

http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2005/cpi_2005

Corruption flourishes in totalitarian societies because there is no independent judiciary, no rule of law, no free press to report wrongdoings, no competitive electoral process etc.

Vietnam ranks 79th in the competitiveness scale according to the World Economic Forum.

http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Global%20Competitiveness%20Report/index.htm

VN ranks 142 in Economic freedom index.

http://www.heritage.org/index/countries.cfm

Totalitarian and authoritarian regimes have always touted how stable they are! You should peel away the layers of the onion though. Dictatorships are inherently unstable because no amount of dissent is allowed. It's like a pot of steam with a lid over it. One day it will explode if there is no space allowed let the tension be released. USSR went along for over 70 years then boom. Same with E. Europe, boom. Indonesia under Suharto, 30 years then boom. Philippines under Marcos, boom. It's a facade because nothing is written, seen, reported, etc.

In essence, there is much to be done and ponder. Knowledge is dependent on freedom of thought. That's a given that pundits and polemicists have written about it extensively. Let's not make this forum into a forum intolerance for the opinions of others. We can all agree to disagree.

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:15 AM

USSR went along for over 70 years then boom. Same with E. Europe, boom. Indonesia under Suharto, 30 years then boom. Philippines under Marcos, boom. It's a facade because nothing is written, seen, reported, etc.

Malaysia under Mahathir. Boom. South Korea under Park Chung-hee, boom. Singapore under Lee Kuan-Yew, boom :)

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:19 AM

Vietnam is a 19th Century society at the moment. She has made great progress but all this progress is just a start. She has a lot ground to make up. VN is one of the most corrupt societies in the world. This aspect is a reflection of her underdevelopment. Transparency International ranks her 107th out of 159 nations for corruption. She is in the same league as Zimbabwe, Belarus, and Ukraine.

Consider the fact that during the 19th century, the French exploited Vietnam's resources (oh no the communist drove them away! but look at all the havoc they wrecked)

Consider the fact that United States dropped more bombs in Northern Vietnam than it did in WWII, and Kissinger even wanted to drop the atomic bomb in Hanoi.

Consider the fact that United States forcefully shut off all Vietnam's trade with other nations including East Asian countries.

Consider the fact that United States REFUSES to pay for 2 MILLIONS agent orange infected people in Vietnam.

Siddude

December 10th, 2006, 01:25 AM

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:29 AM

S. Korea, yes, the economy grew under his stewardship and I admire leaders like Park because he was faced with a life and death struggle with NK. How did Park die? He was assasinated by KCIA chief. Do you think that environment is stable? Period of unrest Roe Tae Woo leading up the Olympics in 1988. All those years were unstable. Student demonstrations, labor unrest, etc. Economy can grow but it can also be a source of instability, hello? Chile with Pinochet and the period after. Those regimes you touted were Right Wing regimes not Totalitarian left wing regimes. There is a difference because they can evolve into a democratic order given the right conditions. Do you know the difference?

Your point doesn't prove anything!

Yes it does, dictatorial rule can lead to development of a countries. Under Park Chung Hee's dictatorial rule with the dissolving SK parliament rule, South Korea's growth rate reached its zenith. You obviously care more about politics, but I really don't. I think "democracy" will only work with a favorable economic condition. Vietnam is nowhere to that level yet. I don't why you can use Pinochet example for Vietnam, the Vietnamese Communist Party is very different Pinochet's military junta.

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:37 AM

Vietnam is a 19th Century society at the moment. She has made great progress but all this progress is just a start. She has a lot ground to make up. VN is one of the most corrupt societies in the world. This aspect is a reflection of her underdevelopment. Transparency International ranks her 107th out of 159 nations for corruption. She is in the same league as Zimbabwe, Belarus, and Ukraine.

http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2005/cpi_2005

Corruption flourishes in totalitarian societies because there is no independent judiciary, no rule of law, no free press to report wrongdoings, no competitive electoral process etc.

*hint**hint* Look at an asian nation that is below Vietnam's rank :nuts:

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:38 AM

the US government refuses to pay the (estimated) orange agent victims, but at the same time they've taken in the same the population of Vietnamese and give you guys the future in America......which is a dream to many in VN.
let just say they pay the orange agent victim and they kick 2 million vietnamese back to Vietnam.........I think some of our heros here won't be here debating with me

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:40 AM

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:42 AM

they think I'm this ani-communist, individual who doesn;t share their point of view.
you're wrong.
the world is now dealing with the islamic terrorists.....and we're almost on the verge of world war 3......the rest of Asia is crazy and in chaos.
SO for the moment I do want the commie to hold the power, maybe a year or two until the world restore peace.
commie is evil. we need them to deal with other evils (for the moment)

put sweep away everything under the carpet just to hail the Commie government....that is wrong....that is inhuman for the 80millions vietnamese who still living under the dicatorship

ps. and yes I do want the US to pay the orange victims

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:45 AM

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:45 AM

yeah it's funny huh

they also taken in all the "2 lúa dudes" in the mekong and educate them and turned them into cool wannabees asian american

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:46 AM

Oh no I don't think you're anti-communist, I just think you as another ba tau :)

of course rich ba tau buy your poor ass

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:47 AM

yeah it's funny huh

they also taken in all the "2 lúa dudes" in the mekong and educate them and turned them into cool wannabees asian american
I know.. it's so cool that the opportunities American gave to those "2 lua" made them equal handed to ba tau who previously monipolized all the rice's prices, and benifited from the poor of the poor :ohno:

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:50 AM

anyway you look at it, 2 lua still 2 lua, still rooted from being poor

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:51 AM

anyway you look at it, 2 lua still 2 lua, still rooted from being poor
and ba tau will always be ba tau, no? :)

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:51 AM

the spelling is: phờ, o, o, rờ

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:53 AM

ey all the vietnamese kids want to be ba tau, love ba tau movies, know all ba tau history and actors, actresses.......no Viet kids want to learn about 2 lua, or be 2 lua.......that is something

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 01:55 AM

ey all the vietnamese kids want to be ba tau, love ba tau movies, know all ba tau history and actors, actresses.......no Viet kids want to learn about 2 lua, or be 2 lua.......that is something

Thank you.. That was easy work to show how a typical Ba-tau view about Vietnamese people. I comment no more :cheers:

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 01:57 AM

nope, everything I said are on Vietnamese newspapers.......read it

ps. your mommy studied chinese too.....so fact is fact

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 02:03 AM

nope, everything I said are on Vietnamese newspapers.......read it

ps. your mommy studied chinese too.....so fact is fact

it came out of a Vietnamese as self-criticism, when it comes out of a ba tau.. of course it's a condescending attitude :nuts:

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 02:06 AM

not only self-criticism it's a kick in the groin too eh?

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 02:08 AM

not only self-criticism it's a kick in the groin too eh?

of course it is but sometimes kicking in the groin will make people realize to defend their groins next time :)

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 02:11 AM

if you kick it too much and too often your goirn will get big and fat....and nobody wants big and fat groins

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 02:12 AM

if you kick it too much and too often your goirn will get big and fat....and nobody wants big and fat groins

sorry but that doesn't happen in reality :( Kicking on the groins won't make people's private part bigger..

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 02:14 AM

why don't you try on you then come back later and tell me

vkameleon

December 10th, 2006, 02:33 AM

why don't you try on you then come back later and tell me
It's ok. I have better things to do like studying for my final.. cheer :cheers:

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 02:45 AM

It's ok. I have better things to do like studying for my final.. cheer :cheers:

oh you're still a kid........no wonder you're so purple.
I'm succesful businessman........lets not ruin my reputation

sqd

December 10th, 2006, 02:57 AM

I know.. it's so cool that the opportunities American gave to those "2 lua" made them equal handed to ba tau who previously monipolized all the rice's prices, and benifited from the poor of the poor :ohno:
Chú bang này bức xúc đó mà. Ngày xưa dòng họ bà con của chú làm tay sai phục vụ cho bọn thực dân Pháp được tụi nó bố thí cho cái ngành lúa gạo trên xương máu của nhân dân ta nhưng từ ngày CS vào thì bọn Chợ Lớn mấy hết tay trắng thì sao bọn nó không bức xúc được

Mẹ, cái ngành lúa gạo một năm có giá trị tới 10 tỷ đô la mà bọn chúng mất hết sao hổng bức xúc được

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 03:11 AM

ễnh ương thì tối tối mới ngoi lên ộp ộp được vài tiếng rồi thôi.......có phải không?
còn nói chuyện làm kinh tế thì chắc quá xa vời với loài ễnh ương

thời nay mà còn ca tụng CS một cách hãnh diện như vậy...........vào forum của tụi Phi coi nó nói về VN và CS như thế nào

đừng hơn thua với ta cháu ngoan Bác Hồ..........hơn thua với mấy người không biết tiếng Việt, chưa từng đặt chân tới ViệtNam.....cái đó mới hay

famster

December 10th, 2006, 07:12 AM

Ta.i sao ngu*o*`i Vie^.t no'i thi` kho^ng nghe, chi? nghe khi "ngu*o*`i ngoa.i quo^'c" no'i? Tu.i Phi no'i gi` ve^` VN ve^` CS thi`frankly, who cares?! Phi la` 1 quo^'c gia da^n chu? ddo', nhu*ng kinh te^' thi` e`o uo^.t bao nhie^u na(m nay. Da^n Phi co' a'c ca?m vo*'i VN (va` CS) vi` VN (va` CS) dda~ "ngang nhie^n" la^'y he^'t nhu*~ng foreign investments ma` Phi ao u*o*'c nhu*ng kho^ng ddu*o*.c ddu.ng tay dde^'n!

To^i dda~ la`m vie^.c nhie^`u vo*'i ngu*o*`i Phi va` tha^.t su*. la` nhie^`u ngu*o*`i Phi ra^'t ganh ti. vo*'i ngu*o*`i VN. Muo^'n bie^'t ho. ganh ti. dde^'n dda^u va` dde^'n mu*'c na`o, chi? ca^`n nhi`n va`o ca'c forum ve^` sa('c dde.p (beauty queens) va` xem ho. no'i gi` ve^` hoa ha^.u VN Mai Phu*o*ng Thu'y khi co^ na`y ddu*o*.c lo.t va`o ba'n ke^'t cuo^.c thi Miss World 2006 vu*`a qua!

So, again, ddu*`ng co' du`ng forum cu?a Phi do ngu*o*`i Phi vie^'t dde^? ddu*a le^n dda^y nhu* mo^.t "ba(`ng chu*'ng" cho ca'i gi` he^'t! It proves nothing!

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 07:25 AM

phải đem phi ra trước, vì phi nó nghèo mà nó cũng chê Vn te tua, đặc biệt là nó phang cho 1 câu không trốn đi đâu được "dân Vn agressive tại vì đã theo CS lâu ngày"
1 nước tiểu nhược mà dám chê VN thì những nước giàu nó coi Vn ra cái gì?
nhưng đọc báo Vn thì sẽ thấy 1 hình ảnh khác......bông hồng rải khắp nơi đón bước Việtnam
cái tên wantuhoa nói 1 câu hay thiệt là hay.....tự mình kick mình để mình defend lần sau

famster

December 10th, 2006, 07:40 AM

who's bringing up the past?
we're talking about the ......right here, right now.

If i'm not mistaken, you always seem to bring back 'memories' of your parents' asset loss to the hands of the communists

they want oversea vietnamese to forget about the past.....yet they're still hanging on to it. read their commie news, their commie books, their commie movies. when you want people to do something...you do it first......simple as that..

Guess what, they are the victors here. They fought hard on a war that won them the victory to reunite the country. Meanwhile, many overseas Vietnamese are the ones who never forget the past. The only thing that they forget so easily is the reason why they lost the war 31 years ago.

you know who are the people that thrive on Vietnam misfortune? those Vietnamese oversea traitors......

when Vietnam was killed by the commies....they ran.....they didn't care million of people still had to eat "khoai lang, khoai san, bo bo"
when life changes a little, they come back to Vietnam and praise the commie and how good they have done for the country.
those are the ones who thrive on Vietnam misfortune.

You know what, those people you called "overseas traitors" do more good for Vietnam as a country than the rest who cannot separate Vietnamese government and Vietnamese peoples as a whole. If the so-called "commies" improve the living standard for the Vietnamese people, why not praise them? It makes more sense to praise them to encourage them to do better than to discredit them for all the good things they have done.

the Vietnamese oversea media. they have new lives, families, in the new countries now....they have no time to bother with VN and its government, except for their love and passion for the unfortunate Vietnamese people.

Hello? what planet are you living on? "except for their love and passion for the unfortunate Vietnamese people"? You made me laugh! The so-called Vietnamese overseas media on the other hand, would not be able to survive if they only care about the 'new countries'! When was the last time you ever read any of these newspapers to see how Vietnamese government has such a prominent space in their reports? They thrive off every single bad news there is about Vietnam and choose to ignore most good news. Just read what they wrote about APEC 14 in Hanoi and tell me if they are unbiased and professional! When it comes to Overseas Vietnamese media, I ignore them all because to me, they are an insult to my intelligence!

you know how many foreign investments was chased away by the Vietnamese government?
you know how long they;ve been holding back the growth of Vietnam economy?
"communist gives vietnam stability"......I think you're underestimated how many educated vietnamese around the world are reading this.
I won't say nothing but let them be the judges.

How many? Who said that the Vietnamese communist government is holding back the growth of Vietnam? With the economy growth only 2nd to China in the world, do you think without that communist government we would be up there passing China? What about all the other democratic countries in the region, communism is not there but why are they being held back?

I don't underestimate anyone but one thing I can be sure is that I am one of those 'educated' people and that is how I see things about Vietnam. I don't have any baggage to hold me back like most people do (My parents lost everything they had when they left VN but that was their choice and they are not complaining about it.)

right now you read all the news you see all the rosey images......you don't really care how many Vietnamese in Vietnam are crying right at this moment as we're speaking.
that's to me is thriving on Vietnam misfortune

You are being too dramatic! It's best for a cai luong stage, not here!

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 07:46 AM

blah blah blah you're a middle age dude with kids and a traitor

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 07:47 AM

stop copying me eh, find your own traitor style

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 07:50 AM

if your kids ever ask you "father why are we here in america and not in VN?"

you better not lie like: because I'm amerisian....my father was an american soldier....although I don't look much like him because i live in Vn too long so I looked more Vietnamese"

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 07:58 AM

who's bringing up the past?
we're talking about the ......right here, right now.

If i'm not mistaken, you always seem to bring back 'memories' of your parents' asset loss to the hands of the communists

how many times have i said this? tell me the month, day, year, etc......the number of time

I recall about mentioning this but last last year long long ago.......unless you're someone very familiar here and now a clone.

sorry dude.....when your friend tran van truong got beat up by the whole Vietnamese community in Bolsa....I didn't see any famster standing next to Tran van Truong and supporting him.

famster

December 10th, 2006, 08:01 AM

I copied your "style"?! Huh? You're very funny, Bang. Dramatic and hillarious!

What's wrong with being "middle-aged with kids"? Remember, your parents once were there and so will be you someday.

My kids learned from history in school so they KNOW exactly why we are here in America. They know that their grandfather used to be an officer in the Vietnamese army that was an ally of the U.S. and when the war was won by the other side (communists), the Americans helped their grandfather and the whole family out of Vietnam for fear of communist revenge. They also know that it is normal after 20 years of war that vengeance ought to happen no matter who eventually wins the war. They also know that despite being communist, Vietnam is doing well and they saw that with their own eyes when they visited Vietnam on their trips. They also feel "cool" that Vietnam was the only country that won the war against America, the most powerful country on earth.

So you see, I am proud of being Vietnamese and so are my kids. Again, I don't have any baggage on my back to start sobbing the same old stories like "my parents' house(s) were taken away by the communists...blah blah blah" ;-)

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 08:06 AM

nope wasn't talking about middle aged in that way......i was refering to your maturity.....with your age you should do something useful with your time and your family instead of sitting here deabting nonsense with a bunch of teenagers

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 08:08 AM

good for you!
form a group and take the whole shebang back to Vn and present them to mother and father communists and help them rebuild the economy......Vn needs more people like you. doing more business and good for the economy.....human rights and democracy.......flush it down the toilet....let other people suffer

famster

December 10th, 2006, 08:12 AM

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 08:16 AM

How many times you said that? Frankly, I don't remember. I just joined this forum but I remember having seen you writing about it at least twice already.

Where was I when Tran Van Truong got "beat up" in Bolsa by your "freedom and democracy fighters"? Tell me, is it smart to waltz right in the middle of a pack of rabied dogs? I'm a lot smarter than that, Bang!

the first part quote me
find it and tell me the dates and times that I mentioned that

the second part...don;t tell me nothing......i'm a nobody.....tell that to the Vietnamese communities around the world..better yet american media like CNN or British BBC news

yep you're right....... smart people always hide in the corner..

famster

December 10th, 2006, 08:16 AM

Debating "nonsense"? Debating about Vietnam to me is not nonsense. Even if I had to debate with some teenagers (like you?), it would still be helpful to shed some light into some mind that was already poisoned by their parents on the Vietnam issue. If someone read what I wrote and found it reasonable, I would consider it mission accomplished. At least Vietnam will have one less enemy and gain a friend.

famster

December 10th, 2006, 08:17 AM

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 08:19 AM

you're wrong I live with my uncle and he doesn't care about Vn or politics.

and you should find people your own age to play, before they call you pedophile

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 08:20 AM

yep CNN interviewed me just yesterday, and I told them i don't like communism......so please don't always pin point vietnamese as communist

USSnimitz

December 10th, 2006, 08:22 AM

quán triệt:)

famster

December 10th, 2006, 08:23 AM

Ha! Now the childish side is really showing!

famster

December 10th, 2006, 08:24 AM

Nimitz, viet the nghia la gi vay?:)

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 08:25 AM

it's okay famster growing up with the war i know you lost your childhood.....and now want to relive it.....it's okay you can stay and enjoy the youth and capture the missing childhood

USSnimitz

December 10th, 2006, 08:28 AM

đồng ý với mọi người

December 10th, 2006, 03:20 PM

join this Forum http://www.3dvn.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=77 ..it contains loads pics of architecture...

Baria

December 10th, 2006, 03:56 PM

Farmster, it is the weekend. Go out and do something more meaningful than debating with a stuborn sore looser. His past is always in front of him. Take your kids to feed the ducks in the park!

To some people, the truth hurts. You will be branded "commie" if you say it, like I was. Remember, those people are the very people advocating for "democracy" for VN. This is what you have to do to avoid it: Go to the web every morning, find some bad news, no matter how little, about VN, magnify it several times and spread it. If you can not find any bad news, use good news and twist it and spread! Before going to bed every night, ask yourself "Did I bad mouthed VN today? If you did, then you will be a "patriod." That's what oversea so-called media do.

I made a mistake of tell-it-like-it-is. I failed to be a "patriod" many times, because I have no twisting skill!! Oh well, I will be what I am. And still going to Bolsa and say what I think. And still waiting to get beaten up!

famster

December 10th, 2006, 05:03 PM

Thanks, Baria, for the suggestion. I totally agree with you about 'twisting'. As I wrote once about this topic, I caught Viet Bao in 2 incidents which they actually twisted VN news translated from English without even naming the source of the news. I wrote the writer of the original article and got the reply from him telling me that his editor would soon contact VB about that issue. If I can find the writings, I will post them here for everyone to see how far from the original article VB, the 2nd largest overseas Vietnamese newspaper, had strayed. And it was so clear to see that it was not just 'technical difficulty'. It was totally a twist to make Vietnam (and its government) look bad with a combination of wrong and fabricated translation.
That's what I meant by "an insult to my intelligence". Most of the readers of these newspapers are fed everyday with news like these. And most of them don't read english news to differentiate between real and twisted news. As someone who has the capability to read english news from various sources, I feel that these hai ngoai media thrive on the ignorance of their readers and nothing else. They paint a horrible picture of Vietnam and with time, their readers actually believe it. There is just no conscience at all in these so-called 'journalists'. It makes you wonder how many of them actually graduated from any journalism schools?

Anyways, just venting some frustration ;-)

p.s. my nick is faMster, not "farmster". Famster is from my family name "Pham" whereas "farmster" sounds something from a ..farm which I am not :-)

Baria

December 10th, 2006, 05:26 PM

:)
Sorry for mistaken your nick.

I'll go out and feed the ducks!

coolink

December 10th, 2006, 08:50 PM

good for you

after you feed them ducks, please don't twist their necks and barbeque them.

Global Davao

December 11th, 2006, 07:29 AM

hello... gud day!
can i ask a little favor?
im doing a presentation about either saigon or hanoi...
this is in our french class and im really not that good in french...

im asking if someone could help me by giving me information about hcm or hanoi's
brief history(like 5lines)
population
hotels and world class reorts
tourist spot
and other information...

all these in french...

thanks alot....

December 11th, 2006, 05:52 PM

coolink

December 11th, 2006, 11:46 PM

what grade is this?
I remember I gave 45mins to 1hr presentation without any written paper.......this presentation ya can read in 2 minutes

you don't read stuff for presentation.........you just surf the net.......remember all the lines, then tell it to the class and the teacher like you're the pro.........stay away from paper

December 11th, 2006, 11:49 PM

coolink

December 12th, 2006, 12:30 AM

good for you...smart kid
ey you're 14 not 17

fatcat

December 12th, 2006, 12:34 AM

fatcat,

Can you let us know what is your expected salary in VN if you have a master in economics?

My expected wefare is far greater than a certain salary.My expected welfare is to do something good for the country.May be just a little things but i could be just happy with that.
But to response more accurately to your question,i think that dynamism make money.You just can't use your diploma to make your life better.You need to speeze your brain for projects,for idea that could flourish business.Beside,i have friend to build a project together since we're all graduated from foreign universities in France,UK and Germany.I think things could be just fines.
But i still try to work in Administration.I believe the Administration of VN is a big failure,a big joke when we talk about productivity and professionalism.Even don't mention the corruption and etc....So it must be a double life private and public.Only with that you could nourish yourself without taking bribes and do a good work for the country.

And other things,may be my project a little bit "hard" and a bit like an aventure,but you need to draw a certain way which is needed to do things and to do it right.I think i'm enough endured to be able to compete in life without being a "traitor" to the VN people.I don't want to be just a kid who just fu...around with cynicisme and hatred and i sincerely thank to peoples here with a beautiful mind,plenty of optimism and hope for our motherland and her people.
Hatred and cynicism is a waste of time of people who got it.Don't waste your time anymore.Be a good citizen no matter where you're living and that's all.Don't talk about VN anymore since you have no idea what to do to help construct a better,greater VN

Saigoneseguy

January 4th, 2007, 01:47 AM

blue_milkyway88

January 4th, 2007, 03:34 PM

Khổ thân cho mod quá ^_^

nguyend

January 4th, 2007, 04:24 PM

Warning for USSNimitz and nguyend
Please take your issue personal as no one here wants to see endless profanities and potshots from you guys. No need to mention that such act is considered as spamming the forum and should not be tolerated.

If you guys keep bombing dirty words on your posts, then the path is clear: warning->brigging for 1 week->banning.

And I think most forumers here don't want to hear any pretext under the name of freedom of speech. Will you teach your children freedom of speech while insulting the others? :ohno:

"The fire makes the smoke", sometimes in your life you will encounter mishap by some undignitized selves, who purposely stir up your life to make themselve feel better and above others. I found that everywhere in real life and in this thread is no exception. I left that misfortune there for days trying to know nothing, feel nothing and in hope who manages this site take it down before I, myself stir up. Unfortunately, it is still there day after day and I see it everyday, whenever I go by. I felt like a swing of a sword across my chest that cut through my flesh and open a wound, blood dripping drop by drop on the ground and permeate into the soil and there it reserves my DNA.

This is not purposely insult anyones here in this thread who have a clear and clean mind, who tries to bring images of a developing part of the world to any prospectators. I respect that and hope that you keep on your good works because whenever I see our birth place, and for some even it is not a place where they see the world, slowly catching up with the rest of the world I feel quite proud. Eventhough, with all of such attracting picturesques, we are still far from best; we need to be better and better and do not attempt to destroy them. My two cents philosophy is somewhat good philosophy, don't you agree?

NO OFFENSE please

skidlin

January 4th, 2007, 08:58 PM

this is getting annoying

pipapipo310

January 5th, 2007, 03:09 AM

... so mod pls, juz ban him or at least delete those entries, for us sake :D

CongTuSaiGon

January 6th, 2007, 06:36 AM

Follow-up on Spratlys and Paracel Islands issue:

Có ai còn nhớ là khi còn thời Nam Bắc chia đôi thì chính bọn cộng sản miền Bắc đã đồng thanh đồng tiến hô hào với bọn rợ trung hoa rằng lãnh thổ Hoàng Sa và Trường Sa là thuộc về trung cộng và nhà nước Việt Nam Cộng Hoà không có chủ quyền trên hai quần đảo ấy?

Bọn này có khác gì nhà Hồ hay nhà Mạc ngày xưa, vì lợi ích cá nhân mà buôn nhà bán nước?

vkameleon

January 6th, 2007, 07:02 AM

yet again..

vitcon14

January 6th, 2007, 07:49 AM

xin tu gioi thieu mem moi day....em la vit con hien dang song o uc,tung co mot khoang thoi gian 18 nam than iu o dat viet nam

pipapipo310

January 6th, 2007, 09:30 AM

chu~ VITCON nhi`n same same chu viEtconG ;))

blue_milkyway88

January 6th, 2007, 10:06 AM

Việt cộng khác việt gian ở chỗ nào :D ????? giải thích dùm tui cái

Saigoneseguy

January 6th, 2007, 11:48 AM

Người Việt gọi việt cộng là việt cộng mà không phải là việt cộng sẽ bị việt cộng gọi là việt gian. Việt gian nhiều lúc cũng nói việt cộng là việt gian luôn mà việt cộng nhiều lúc cũng không nhận mình là việt cộng, sự thật họ có phải việt cộng không thì không biết trừ phi nói ra hai chữ "việt gian". Hiểu không ku.

blue_milkyway88

January 6th, 2007, 01:53 PM

Chú mày nói vậy có trời mới hiểu được chịu thua >_< túm lại là việt cộng và việt gian ko đợi trời chung được đúng ko ???

vitcon14

January 6th, 2007, 02:54 PM

a' a' a' vitcon ko phai la viet cong,vitcon la ducky,viet cong va viet gian la hai ke thu ko doi troi chung,cung giong nhu ko phai viet cong va viet gian la hai ke thu ko doi troi chung:banana:

saigonily

January 6th, 2007, 03:55 PM

hello, I am newmember. I am living saigon.
saigonily - sai gon I love you

blue_milkyway88

January 7th, 2007, 04:35 AM

vậy tại sao VC và VG lại ko thể cùng đợi trời chung được ???

btw , saigonily you sống ở quận mấy thế tui cũng ở SG nè :D

saigonily

January 7th, 2007, 09:03 AM

Minh song o quan 12( truoc day la HOC MON), mot quan vung ven. Minh hoc o trung tam nen hang ngay phai di lai rat nhieu, va vi vay co dip quan sat su doi thay cua sg moi ngay. Minh thich nhat la duong Nguyen Thi Minh Khai- mot trong nhung duong trung tam co cao oc xay dung nhieu nhat. Minh muon up vai tam anh ve con duong nay, xin cac bac cho minh hoi minh phai lam nhu the nao? vi minh la thanh vien rat rat moi....thanks!

:cheers1:

January 7th, 2007, 07:44 PM

please support a friend of mine: http://hanoi.intro.vn/index.php

blue_milkyway88

January 8th, 2007, 04:43 AM

Uhm đường NTMK có Sailing , Pacific SPN đang xây rất triển vọng , nhưng bây giờ mới chỉ có Avalon và Indochine là trông được nhất trên đoạn đường này ^_^ , Saigonily thấy dự án nào đang xây cứ chụp tuốt rồi post lên cho mọi người xem :)

saigonily

January 8th, 2007, 07:43 AM

posts hinh anh bang cach nao vay?

wulizhong

January 9th, 2007, 12:21 AM

Mấy giờ rồi mà còn Việt cộng với chẳng Việt gian! Bây giờ thì chỉ có mỗi 2 loại, thằng nào là Việt và thằng nào không phải là Việt mà thôi!

to saigonily: This forum are the same with the other regular, popular and simple forums. But U can not upload Image direct to the forum, it must be third party host! OK!

pipapipo310

January 9th, 2007, 01:07 AM

how about BẮC KÌ vs. NAM KÌ :d:d:d TRUNG KÌ để sang một bên ^^

wulizhong

January 9th, 2007, 02:09 AM

how about BẮC KÌ vs. NAM KÌ :d:d:d TRUNG KÌ để sang một bên ^^

:master: :master:

thôi thôi cho em xin cho em xin! Sao đồng chí không bảo xem thằng nào họ Nguyễn thằng nào họ Trần..........!

hoangduong

January 9th, 2007, 11:00 AM

Sự kỳ thị lẫn nhau đang làm yếu đi dân tộc mình, có đúng không nhỉ?

Saigoneseguy

January 9th, 2007, 01:11 PM

Tại không hiểu nhau. Với lại chẳng ai chịu đi du lịch mà chịu khó tìm hiểu cuộc sống nơi mình đến hết. Tòan chụp hình mình với shopping.

famster

January 9th, 2007, 05:49 PM

Su*. chia re~ giu*~a ca'c vu`ng cu?a VN la` na(`m trong ke^' hoa.ch "Chia dde^? tri." cu?a ngu*o*`i Pha'p khi chie^'m ddo'ng VN. Ngu*o*`i Pha'p chia VN ra la`m 3 vu`ng: Tonkin, Anam, va` Cochinchine o*? Ba('c, Trung, va` Nam. Mo.i tu* tu*o*?ng chia re~ vu`ng, mie^`n ba^y gio*` la` ca'i "gia sa?n" co`n so't la.i cu?a tho*`i ky` ddo'! Mong la` mo.i ngu*o*`i Vie^.t dde^`u "sa'ng suo^'t" dde^? nha^.n tha^'y ddie^`u ddo'!

pipapipo310

January 9th, 2007, 09:54 PM

giơ tay , điểm danh NAM KÌ - BẮC KÌ đi :D

tiện đây là forum VIETNAM, em xin được đưa vào một số bài học giao lưu Văn Hóa giữa các miền. Cụ thể là trong cách ăn nói :D

Bài học số 1:

có từ này rất hay: ĐỊT (để em giải thích - đừng ban em)
miền Bắc: ĐỊT là một từ vô cùng mất dạy (phần đông dân số đều dùng từ này, ít nhất cũng vài lần, nghe thì thường xuyên), nó là 1 từ chửi thề vô học nhất. Nó là một động từ chỉ sự giao phối ... (thế là đủ). Mẫu câu thường được dùng như: ĐMM, ĐBM (các bác tự hiểu). từ này trong tiếng Nam là ĐỤ :(
miền Nam: từ ĐỊT nhiều khi được sử dụng phổ biến hơn, đặc biẹt trong hoặc sau bữa ăn, nhất là những bữa nào ăn KHOAI nhiều :D. Nó cũng là một động từ, ám chỉ sự thoát "hơi" từ asshole. miền bắc gọi là ĐÁNH RẮM. theo ý kiến từ các bạn miền Nam thân yêu của em, thì các bạn ấy bảo là: ĐÁNH RẮM nghe nó LỊCH SỰ hơn ĐỊT (nam). với miền bắc thì bảo từ ĐỤ (theo nghĩa chửi thề của miền Nam) nghe VUI hơn và bớt ĐAY NGHIẾN hơn từ "ĐỊT" của miền Bắc vì nhiều khi người Nam nói là ĐÙ MÁ (nghe rất funny). :D

Bài học chấm dứt tại đây. Có đại biểu nào thắc mắc xin cứ giơ tay góp ý.

wulizhong

January 10th, 2007, 12:06 AM

coolink

January 10th, 2007, 12:31 AM

lạy Chúa lòng lành vô cùng

hoangduong

January 10th, 2007, 04:59 AM

Bạn pipapipo biết rộng quá ta :wink2:

hoangduong

January 10th, 2007, 05:12 AM

Tại không hiểu nhau. Với lại chẳng ai chịu đi du lịch mà chịu khó tìm hiểu cuộc sống nơi mình đến hết. Tòan chụp hình mình với shopping.

Đúng đó Trung :)
Sự thực là nếu ai đó đã có một cái "tâm", thì dù cho chưa lần nào đi tới những vùng đất mới (trên đất nước mình), họ cũng đã không bỏ lỡ bất kỳ một cơ hội nào để tìm hiểu về địa phương đó, khao khát một ngày được đi thăm, được trải nghiệm cuộc sống nơi miền đất mới. Niềm mong muốn ấy chính là một yếu tố cần thiết để tạo nên tình yêu tổ quốc. Một người không "động lòng" với chính vẻ đẹp của mảnh đất quê hương mình thì sao có thể gọi là "ái quốc" được :) Rất đáng tiếc, chính chúng ta đôi khi lại có một cái nhìn phiến diện, chỉ chăm chăm vào cái xấu, cái chưa đổi mới mà quên đi mất những di sản vô giá lưu lại, những mầm mống tươi dẹp đang nhú lên. Con người Việt Nam, mảnh đất Việt Nam đang vươn dậy mãnh liệt, chúng ta cần góp sức cho sự hồi sinh đó :) Các bạn có ý kiến gì chăng ?

blue_milkyway88

January 10th, 2007, 11:14 AM

^^ Tất cả nghe bạn hoangduong nói chưa , bộ hết chuyện rồi hay sao mà lại đi kể xấu nhau thế ko biết >_<

vitcon14

January 10th, 2007, 01:55 PM

Saigoneseguy

January 10th, 2007, 01:59 PM

Mọi người tính nhào vô tiếp không :)

wulizhong

January 10th, 2007, 05:49 PM

Mọi người tính nhào vô tiếp không :)

:lol:

Baria

January 10th, 2007, 06:29 PM

Đúng đó Trung :)
Sự thực là nếu ai đó đã có một cái "tâm", thì dù cho chưa lần nào đi tới những vùng đất mới (trên đất nước mình), họ cũng đã không bỏ lỡ bất kỳ một cơ hội nào để tìm hiểu về địa phương đó, khao khát một ngày được đi thăm, được trải nghiệm cuộc sống nơi miền đất mới. Niềm mong muốn ấy chính là một yếu tố cần thiết để tạo nên tình yêu tổ quốc. Một người không "động lòng" với chính vẻ đẹp của mảnh đất quê hương mình thì sao có thể gọi là "ái quốc" được :) Rất đáng tiếc, chính chúng ta đôi khi lại có một cái nhìn phiến diện, chỉ chăm chăm vào cái xấu, cái chưa đổi mới mà quên đi mất những di sản vô giá lưu lại, những mầm mống tươi dẹp đang nhú lên. Con người Việt Nam, mảnh đất Việt Nam đang vươn dậy mãnh liệt, chúng ta cần góp sức cho sự hồi sinh đó :) Các bạn có ý kiến gì chăng ?

:applause: Đồng ý

pipapipo310

January 10th, 2007, 09:24 PM

"ai cũng phải cho ý kiến, không thể chí vỗ tay, giơ tay a-dua theo được. chắc chắn các quý vị có các ý kiến khác nhau, tôi muốn được lăng nghe ..."

:D
em chỉ muốn chỉnh đốn lại 1 tí, không thì lại đi-vào-vết-đổ của các bậc tiền thân, ai hiểu thì hiều, không hiểu thì giơ tay, không thể giấu dốt được
:D

wulizhong

January 10th, 2007, 09:33 PM

coolink

January 10th, 2007, 11:56 PM

ban duong noi chi li,nhung co nhung chien ko nhu y muon cua minh,hien nay van con mot so nguoi chong lai chinh phu vietnam,ko bit ho an cai ji ma suot ngay chong voi chong,bo ho ko co mat hay sao ma cu bao kinh te viet nam di xuong,dan viet nam song doi kho...that ko the tin duoc

biet ho an cai gi khong? bo bo, khoai san, khoai mi......an nhieu qua nen bi "thoi nao"
bay gio nhieu nguoi duoc an thit roi, nhat ra nhieu nguoi ra nuoc ngoai duoc an rat nhieu nhieu thit.......nhung moi lan nho toi "ky niem" la nguoi ta chui nha nuoc Vn ngot xot.....bao dam khong hay khong an tien

vitcon14

January 11th, 2007, 12:53 AM

Saigoneseguy

January 11th, 2007, 01:36 AM

http://www.projectsvietnam.com

Vietnam Exhibition on Building and Construction 2007.

vkameleon

January 11th, 2007, 02:54 AM

^^ somebody must go there and take pictures for us lol

famster

January 11th, 2007, 05:59 AM

do chi la nhung chuyen ko hay o wa khu,tai sao nhieu nguoi lai cu phai lay chuyen cu de so voi chuyen bay gio the.tai sao nguoi viet nam chung ta ko la mot,cu xau xe lan nhau nhu the nay,thi biet bao gio viet nam moi tro thanh mot cuong quoc tren the gioi.

Nhung nguoi do khong dang de chung ta quan tam den dau, vitcon a. Dat nuoc Viet Nam khong can, va chua bao gio can, den nhung nguoi nhu the. Duong ta, ta cu di nhe!

blue_milkyway88

January 11th, 2007, 03:11 PM

mấy bác công nhận nhiều chuyện wé , em xin pó tay , đầu hàng :bash:
thằng Wuli kia mi nói năng cho cẩn thận ko ông cạo đầu mi đấy :D

Saigoneseguy

January 11th, 2007, 09:13 PM

http://www.xes.cx/pics/hcmc-buildings-1.JPG

Tubehouses rule !!

coolink

January 11th, 2007, 11:25 PM

yeah viêtnam cần những người:
biết chạy theo thời cơ
dể dàng mua chuộc..
dễ dàng lung lay,
dễ tin.
ý chí không vững mạnh
thay vua như thay áo,
thay chủ như thay quần

Saigoneseguy

January 11th, 2007, 11:27 PM

^^ Đó là dân chủ đấy :)

Dính ông vua nào mấy chục năm cũng khổ nữa.

coolink

January 12th, 2007, 12:35 AM

mi sai rồi...ta mà là Vua cho ViệNam ta sẽ cho dân Việt ấm no hạnh phúc......giàu sang phú qúi...ai nói xấu Việtnam ta sẽ thuê xã hội đen bóp cổ hết
ta sẽ cho mấy em bé Việtnam đi học hết, không có ai ngopài đường bán vé số, ăn xin.....mấy cụ già sẽ được cho vào viện dưỡng lão hết, có người hầu, và được uống thuốc 24/7
những người xấu sẽ được vào viện thẩm mỹ viện hết để sửa lại cho d0ẹp....ra ngoài thành phố nào của Việtnam cũng thấy người đẹp.....và ta sẽ mượng america đục hết mã lai, phi, trung quốc, để lấy lại hoàng sa và trường sa.......rồi ta sẽ đòi lại cao bằng lạng sơn cho Việt nam.....không những thế ta còn xâm chiếm cam bu chia và lào rồi ăn cắp đất của tụi nó nữa....coi như ta sẽ bình Chiêm phạt Tống lần thứ 2
sẽ qua Pháp đòi hết nợ mà Pháp đã ăn cắp của Việtnam.,..rồi bay qua Mỹ đòi Mỹ bồi thường chất độc màu da cam......nước nào không chịu nghe lời ta sẽ lập ra hội "trả thù" và đi trả thù hết
1 ông vua thương dân như con, yêu nước như yêu chính mình..và đặc biệt biết đánh nhau giỏi và trả thù hết xảy
mi tìm đâu ra nữa hả?

pipapipo310

January 12th, 2007, 12:44 AM

em không muốn spam đâu nhưng mà em sợ bác Bang rồi ... em vái bác 1 lậy

wulizhong

January 12th, 2007, 01:36 AM

em không muốn spam đâu nhưng mà em sợ bác Bang rồi ... em vái bác 1 lậy

Bây giờ mới vái là hơi muộn đó! :D

hoangduong

January 12th, 2007, 10:01 AM

nguyend

January 12th, 2007, 04:44 PM

Co' nhu?~ng ke? kho^ng co' di~ va~ng buo^`n ne^n kho^ng bie^'t gi` ve^` tu?o?ng lai va` chi? tha^'y hie^.n ta.i . (lo?'p ngu?o?`i sinh sau cuo^.c chie^'n, gd kho^ng no?. na^`n gi` vo?'i che^' ddo^. hie^.n ta.i)

La.i co' nhu?~ng ke? co' di~ va~ng buo^`n nhu?ng co^' ti`nh que^n de^? mong co' mo^.t hie^.n ta.i va` mo^.t tu?o?ng lai sa'ng su?a ho?n (lo?'p nguoi da~ ne^'m vi. thie^n duong CS, nhu?ng da~ ra kho?i ca'i thien duong ay va nay da~ co' cuoc song on dinh noi su nguoi hoac la` nguoi huong thien)

Co`n nhu?~ng ke? co' di~ va~ng buo^`n nhu?ng kho^ng the^? na`o que^n duoc ca'i di~ va~ng a^'y ( da^y chi'nh la` lo?'p nguoi co' nguoi than trong gd bi nguoc da~i trong che^' do^. , gd bi. da'nh tu san, hoac qua' kho^? trong ca'i che^' ddo^. da^`y kha*'c nghie^.t kia)

Pha^`n co`n la.i la` nhu?~ng ke? cho mi`nh la` nguoi chien tha*'ng va` co' quye^`n vie^'t ne^n li.ch su??

Rie^ng to^i , to^i cu~ng nghi~ ra*`ng chu'ng ta ne^n ga'c la.i qua' khu?' de^? huong toi tuong lai. Nhung tiec rang ke? din.h doa.t va^.n me^.h tuong lai da^'t nuoc khong phai la` ta. Hy vo.ng la` ho. la` nhu?~ng ke? huong thie^.n de^? da^n to^.c bo?'t kho^? nhe'.

coolink

January 13th, 2007, 01:37 AM

ta sinh sau chiến tranh, và cũng muốn bỏ quá khứ để xây dựng ViệtNam, nhưng mà về Vn tụi công an đâu có quên quá khứ đâu.......tụi ni không quên ta cũng không quên.
tình ai cho không biếu không .....chứ ta thì phải tiền trao cháo múc.
nồi cháo của ta lúc nào cũng đầy,,,,,nhưng muốn ăn phải trả tiền.....3 nghìn đồng hehehe

blue_milkyway88

January 13th, 2007, 05:12 AM

Hoàng Sa và Trường Sa dẫu biết dưới đấy có dầu mà ko thằng nào dám khoan nhỉ :D , rồi sẽ có ngày VN và TQ choảng nhau vụ này mất , sao ko kêu Mỹ cho mấy quả bom NT san = chỗ đấy cho rồi ^_^

pipapipo310

January 13th, 2007, 06:14 AM

sao ko tranh thu? luk' chua biet' cua ai, khoan bua` di nho*` lol

blue_milkyway88

January 14th, 2007, 03:19 AM

Biển ở 2 chỗ đó độ sâu trung bình từ 1000m trở lên , TQ thì ko sao chứ VN mà khoan dầu kiểu này hơi bị khó , coi chừng thay lõi thép = lõi sắt như vụ PM18 thì hỏng :D

January 14th, 2007, 10:18 AM

ASHUI ---> http://www.ashuicorporation.com/blog/

pipapipo310

February 1st, 2007, 05:27 AM

[off topic chatting]
Đất nước vừa giải phóng, chính phủ có chính sách gộp các tỉnh lại với nhau để dễ quản lý. Vì vậy, các tỉnh được gộp lại là: Quảng Bình + Quảng Trị + Thừa Thiên Huế được đặt tên: Bình-Trị-Thiên. Quãng Ngãi + Bình Định = Nghĩa Bình, Phú Yên + Khánh Hòa = Phú Khánh…. Nhưng có 3 tỉnh không thể gộp lại được với nhau là: Kontum, Plei-ku, Daklak. vì không thể đặt tên được (Kon-Ku-Lắc, Lắc-Kon-Ku, Ku-Kon-Lắc, ....), nên chính phủ quyết định không gộp 3 tỉnh này..

coolink

February 2nd, 2007, 03:33 AM

giỏi qúa ha

Saigoneseguy

February 3rd, 2007, 01:39 PM

Tên pipapipo spam a lot ah?

Xứng đáng bị cho vào đây (http://360.yahoo.com/profile-QTo3xbkgbqcVU.5lSIsXKLRpmgY-?cq=1)

blue_milkyway88

February 4th, 2007, 03:57 PM

Thằnng pipo này là trung tâm truyền nhiễm văn hoá phẩm ĐT :D

wulizhong

February 5th, 2007, 08:17 PM

Thằnng pipo này là trung tâm truyền nhiễm văn hoá phẩm ĐT :D

Thì ngay từ đầu đã bảo là thằng pipapipo với thằng Milky là một cặp rất xứng đôi vừa lứa còn gì nữa. Thằng thì ĐT, thằng thì Bậy bạ tục tĩu! :bash: :D

coolink

February 7th, 2007, 12:15 AM

read this and tell me seriously
what kind of loser ordered newspaper from Vietnam? like Nhan Dan ..and listen to Vn radio from oversea.
and all this came from the mouth of a Hanoian professor.....unbelievable!

điêu ngoa xảo trá
http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.aspx?ArticleID=185641&ChannelID=13

vkameleon

February 7th, 2007, 12:30 AM

read this and tell me seriously
what kind of loser ordered newspaper from Vietnam? like Nhan Dan ..and listen to Vn radio from oversea.
Pretty much all Vietnamese Americans. Most Vietnamese American get their news from local news that copied from Vietnamese News with a little bit of edits here and there :lol:

skidlin

February 7th, 2007, 12:41 AM

seriously all the news from vietnamese american tv channels, radio stations, and newspapers are copied from vn news, i read news on the web one night ahead and then the next day is like rendezvous

Saigoneseguy

February 7th, 2007, 12:36 PM

Bai viet gi the? Tieng Viet nao la tieng Viet nao? Chi co mot thu "tieng Viet" duy nhat tren qua dat thoi. Cai da^`u o^ng giao su kia be^nh hoa.n qua'

blue_milkyway88

February 7th, 2007, 02:38 PM

Thì ngay từ đầu đã bảo là thằng pipapipo với thằng Milky là một cặp rất xứng đôi vừa lứa còn gì nữa. Thằng thì ĐT, thằng thì Bậy bạ tục tĩu! :bash: :D

gớm chú mày chả trong trắng thế , vậy lần trước thằng nào rủ tao đọc truyện " Hòa thượng Thich Giao Hop ,con trai ngài Hoà thượng Thich Khoai Lac cháu ngài Thich Vu Em , chắt ngài Thich Bia Om, chít ngài Thich Lau Xanh..." thế hả. Em nói với mấy bác chứ thằng Wulihong này ghê lắm , em đã nói là ko đọc rồi mà nó vẫn dụ dỗ= những lời mật ngọt như : " đọc thử đi cho biết " rồi " đọc đi hay lắm đó " cho nên .....

Baria

February 9th, 2007, 04:57 AM

Pretty much all Vietnamese Americans. Most Vietnamese American get their news from local news that copied from Vietnamese News with a little bit of edits here and there :lol:

You are absolutely right. Thêm mắm thêm muối mà thôi. Làm cóc gì mà có ban biên tập!! Chỉ có ban sao chép.

famster

February 9th, 2007, 07:30 AM

seriously all the news from vietnamese american tv channels, radio stations, and newspapers are copied from vn news, i read news on the web one night ahead and then the next day is like rendezvous

Don't forget their big mission in which they inserted their own comments into the news as they were part of the original news and let the readers... find out for themselves.

Nowaday, I don't care to pick up any of them any more because there is nothing to read there except news that you could have read so easily online from Vietnam news websites.

famster

February 9th, 2007, 07:32 AM

You are absolutely right. Thêm mắm thêm muối mà thôi. Làm cóc gì mà có ban biên tập!! Chỉ có ban sao chép.

"Sao chep" va "su*?a ddo^?i"i!!! Khong biet co bao nhieu nguoi trong so^' ho. da tot nghiep voi bang bao chi tai cac truong dai hoc dda^y?!!

pipapipo310

February 9th, 2007, 09:37 PM

'cuz Vietnam has no Regulations/ Rules on PLAGIARISM !!!
Asian students, particularly Asean and Chinese who come oversea to North America most have problem with PLAGIARISM if their teacher dont tell them about. i plagiarized one time too, :lol:, without noticing it ( i put no quotation marks, no references)
in Vietnam, it s currently OK to plagiarize :D during my high school time in Vietnam, among the literature classes, we have the subject called "TAP LAM VAN" (learn how to write an essay (kinda)). 90% students (including me :lol:) opened the reference book and calmly copied the sample essay with some editing and a little bit changes on language. :lol: it was so fun during the test /exam time.
vietnam's board of education and training should set some regulations then.
actually the whole education system should be renewed (to a better one)

CongTuSaiGon

February 10th, 2007, 05:42 AM

Hey guys,

Does anybody know any direct distributors and wholesalers of Vietnamese clay flowers?

Thanks

titanic98

February 10th, 2007, 12:12 PM

Hey guys,

Does anybody know any direct distributors and wholesalers of Vietnamese clay flowers?

Thanks

Check this website
http://ad.emsvn.com/vn/

coolink

February 11th, 2007, 11:41 PM

i really don't understand why thanh xà bạch xà are never here to talk about buildings and construction........ but always show up for dicussion like this

famster

February 14th, 2007, 09:12 PM

New Five-Year Plan for Vietnam

February 5, 2007—The World Bank says it expects to provide more than US$800 million a year over the next five years in interest free grants and loans to Vietnam – a country it describes as having the potential to be one of the great success stories in development.

The assistance was announced today in Hanoi by the Bank’s new Vice President for East Asia and the Pacific, Jim Adams, when releasing the Bank’s new Country Partnership Strategy for Vietnam.

The strategy, laying out the Bank’s future involvement with Vietnam, describes the country’s success in reducing poverty and promoting economic growth as “spectacular”.

Over the past 15 years, poverty levels in Vietnam have dropped from about 70 percent to less than 20. Real income has grown 7.3 percent a year over the past ten years.

“There’s probably no other country in the world that, over the last 15 years, has moved its development so far and so fast,” says the Bank’s outgoing Country Director for Vietnam, Klaus Rohland.

“Vietnam has moved from rice importer to feed its people to the second largest rice exporter of the world.”

However Rohland says Vietnam does face challenges in realizing its goal to achieve middle income country status by 2010.

“Vietnam wants to complete its transition to a market economy over the next five years and that really requires a focus on institution building,” he says. This includes strengthening the banking sector, improving health care systems and a “legal system built on what people believe is right or wrong and reflects the needs of a modern market economy.”

It’s a move which Rohland describes as “almost a race against time.”

“The market economy and the process towards the market economy moves at its own speed,” Rohland says. “And we need to make sure that the gap between a full-fledged market economy and institutions, that are needed to reign in the excesses of a market economy, is narrowed as much as possible.”

It’s a view reflected in the Bank’s Country Partnership Strategy for Vietnam which stresses Bank support to improve the country’s business environment. Assistance will focus on banking reform and financial sector development, state enterprise reform, as well as support for the emerging domestic private sector and private participation in infrastructure.

The Strategy says while Vietnam’s development is rightly regarded as a success story, “there are certain fault lines that could put Vietnam’s future progress at risk.” It cites reform of state owned enterprises and state owned commercial banks as lagging behind other reforms.

The 2007-2011 Country Partnership Strategy will also focus on improving governance and anti-corruption measures by concentrating efforts to improve public financial management, accountability and transparency. The Bank says partnerships with other donors will be vital to making progress on gove rnance.

The Bank document highlights the fact that poverty in Vietnam is predominantly rural and progress in reducing poverty in the ethnic minorities population has been slow. Ethnic minorities make up only 13 percent of the total population, but they account for 39 percent of the poor.

The strategy lays out priorities for future Bank support to help the poor and those with disabilities, increasing access to quality basic infrastructure and health services for the rural poor.

Rohland says while Vietnam has been successful in achieving development with equity, maintaining that in the future is a challenge.

“Inequity is probably part of any development process but too much inequity generates instability, political and social upheaval. Vietnam should be proud of what it has achieved in terms of social cohesion and should continue on that path.”

More about good news at: http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTABOUTUS/IDA/0,,contentMDK:21194412~pagePK:51236175~piPK:437394~theSitePK:73154,00.html

World Bank's 8 page brief on Vietnam as a country is at:
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/IDA/Resources/IDA-Vietnam.pdf

coolink

February 16th, 2007, 12:29 AM

long endless article just to tell everybody Vn vẫn cần bố thí

vkameleon

February 16th, 2007, 02:18 AM

long endless article just to tell everybody Vn vẫn cần bố thí

Of course, we aint no Taiwan and Korea that America had to bo thi everything. We earned that shit :banana:

famster

February 16th, 2007, 07:46 AM

long endless article just to tell everybody Vn vẫn cần bố thí

Tre^n dda^y ddu'ng la` ta^m tra.ng cu?a mo^.t ngu*o*`i Vie^.t ha?i ngoa.i mang dda^`y ma(.c ca?m, hoa`n toa`n tra'i ngu*o*.c vo*'i su*. la.c quan, tin tu*o*?ng va`o tu*o*ng lai tu*o*i sa'ng cho que^ hu*o*ng cu?a ha^`u he^'t ngu*o*`i Vie^.t trong nu*o*'c, nhu* pha?n a'nh trong tinh tha^`n ba`i vie^'t tre^n dda^y.

I don't know how old you are but your pessimism scares me! Your comment shows that you're such a party-pooper. Go ahead and be negative yourself, but please, don't rain on my parade!

blue_milkyway88

February 17th, 2007, 02:39 PM

cái bang cái bang :D

Don Omar

February 17th, 2007, 10:11 PM

The Awakening of Hanoi

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By JENNIFER CONLIN
Published: February 18, 2007
nytimes.com (http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/travel/18hanoi.html?pagewanted=1)

TO find the Mai Gallery in Hanoi, you must first walk down the bustling avenue of Le Thanh Tong, a street filled with flower stalls, neighborhood shops, sidewalk cafes and the ubiquitous roar of hundreds of motorbikes streaming in the direction of the century-old opera house. As you turn down Phan Huy Chu, one of a maze of narrow alleys in the Old Quarter, the throngs of teenagers leaning against parked mopeds with their cellphones cupped to their ears quickly disappear. Instead, squatting on the sidewalk stirring steaming pots of soup laced with noodles, pork and cilantro, are elderly women, their faces hidden under traditional farm-field conical hats, chatting among themselves as they give you a quick, inquisitive glance.

As I made my way down this passage on a warm morning in late November, I thought about why I had come to Hanoi — to see a country I knew only from history books and vaguely remembered images from the nightly news in the 1970s. The map of Vietnam was like a screen saver on our television set, and the war in Southeast Asia dominated the discussions at the dinner table in the politically active college town of Ann Arbor, Mich.

Thirty years later, I found myself experiencing an enormous disconnect. Hanoi was not at all as I had pictured it. Instead of being a squalid third world capital struggling to recover from years of war and isolation, it was a stylish, European-influenced metropolis with manicured lakeside promenades, tree-lined boulevards, ancient pagodas and French-colonial buildings painted in a peeling palette of jade, turquoise and burgundy.

On the streets, elderly men sipping tea at food stalls and grandmothers balancing poles on their shoulders laden with heavy baskets of fruits and vegetables were outnumbered by representatives of a younger and more boisterous generation. Nearly sixty percent of the population in Vietnam was born after the war ended in 1975, and Hanoi feels like a city of teenagers. They were everywhere — doubled up on motorbikes, their hair streaming behind them like jet spray as they raced off to school or work. At night they gathered in the parks and the city's dance clubs before zooming off again to start a new day.

Two days into my stay in Hanoi, I had made the obligatory visits to Ho Chi Minh's mausoleum (where the body of the still-revered leader lies in state) and the Temple of Literature (once a university, built in 1070) but had also found my time increasingly taken up by visits to the city's art galleries. That's because back in London, where I now live, friends who had been to Hanoi had all come back raving about the art. One showed me her collection of traditional paintings — each a different village scene, Impressionistic in style, painted on wood and then treated and polished with sap from a lacquer tree. They were stunningly luminous, laced with gold and silver gilt as well as crushed eggshell. The effect was like looking at a detailed painting under a thin, still puddle of water.

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“Just wait,” my friend said. “You will fall in love with the art there.”

And I had. But while I was fascinated by 20th-century Vietnamese art — a mixture of Eastern techniques (woodcutting, engraving, silk and lacquer painting) with European influences from the early 1900s (Impressionism, Cubism) — I was most taken with the contemporary works by younger artists, many of whom are integrating the traditional into the modern and expressing themselves in new ways that reflect an awareness of what is happening in the Western art world.

THAT'S one reason I was now headed toward the Mai gallery, hoping to meet Tran Phuong Mai, the owner, herself. As I wandered from art gallery to art gallery, her name kept coming up in conversation, as other dealers would describe her — sometimes with a slight roll of the eyes or a faint note of exasperation in their voices — as being among the most prominent figures in their midst, the one who was most adeptly taking advantage of the increased attention contemporary Vietnamese art was attracting in the West. (Well, that was certainly in contrast to one gallery owner I met, who when I happened to mention that Charles Saatchi, the noted British collector, was beginning to feature young Vietnamese on his Web site, said, “Charles Saatchi? Oh, I got an e-mail from him several months ago asking me if he could link my gallery Web site. But I had never heard of him. Is he famous?”)

Young, stylish, attractive and with a close relationship with many of the city's young artists, Mai was beginning to sound like a character I knew well from my days of living in Manhattan in the early 1980s, when New York's downtown art scene was exploding. Could this be the Mary Boone of Hanoi?

Opposite a wall of boldly drawn graffiti in the tiny alleyway was her sleek, modern art gallery. On display inside the stark white space were the colorful urban landscape paintings of Nguyen Bao Ha, an Abstract Expressionist, whose work has been described as depicting the “cancerous” pace at which Vietnam is being developed. There was no one inside, however, except Mai's mother. Her daughter, she explained in her halting English, was at her new art gallery, her second — a sign that business was booming.

When I finally tracked down Mai at the other gallery, a three-story space on less-remote Hang Bong Street, it was clear to me she was a young force — she's 36 — in Hanoi's art world. With a stylish crop of jet black hair and trendily dressed in a hooded red zipper jacket and black skinny jeans, she looked every bit the part of an artist's friend. But she also had the demeanor of an experienced businesswoman. She instructed her assistant to get us a pot of tea, and she invited me to sit while she told me her story.

“We were the first private art gallery to open after doi moi,” she said referring to the Communist government's decision in 1986 to allow foreign trade and private ownership. A poet's daughter who grew up around artists — many of whom painted her portrait as a child — Mai opened her original gallery in 1993 with the help of her parents. “Previously, every gallery was state owned, and Vietnamese contemporary art was anonymous to the rest of the world,” she said, adding that the Hanoi University of Fine Arts (previously the École Superieure Beaux-Arts de l'Indochine) had provided Vietnam with an unending supply of talent since it was founded by the French in 1925.

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“Now many of our artists are exhibiting outside of the country,” she said, adding that her paintings, like those in most Hanoi galleries, range in price from $300 for a small canvas by a relatively unknown artist to less than $6,000 for a large canvas by one of the “Gang of Five”— the first contemporary group to gain international recognition outside Vietnam, in the late '90s.

“My clients come from all over the world,” she said as she escorted me to see “master” paintings — works from modern artists like Bui Xuan Phai, whose work is frequently compared to Van Gogh's and Klee's, and who died in poverty in 1988. Now his paintings are sold by Mai for $10,000 and go at auction for twice that.

After warning me about Hanoi's many “art shops” — kitschy stores aimed at tourists that sell cheaply produced decorative art — she sent me down the street to meet Vu Dan Tan, one of the first experimental artists in Hanoi, whose atelier, Salon Natasha, is open to the public and served as one of the first meeting places for contemporary artists in Vietnam. I found Tan, a white-bearded man, sitting in his paint-splattered studio surrounded by his work, paper creatures and masks constructed from recycled packaging — a style developed during the war years when materials were short and now was a statement on the Western-style consumerism that has enveloped the country. He told me his work had been exhibited in Australia, Germany and Japan. “It is a very different time for artists,” he said, sitting down gingerly at a wooden desk covered with paint brushes.

An international art expert agreed. “There are many vibrant young contemporary artists in Hanoi, and people are definitely buying their work — hoping it will one day appreciate,” Mok Kim Chuan, a specialist in the Southeast Asian Paintings Department at Sotheby's in Singapore, told me by telephone. “We are not auctioning many of the younger artists yet because their work is still readily available in the galleries, but we are very aware of them.” He said that the post-Impressionist works by the Vietnamese artist Le Pho, who died in 2001, were now auctioning for around $300,000. “Contemporary art is very hot right now,” he said.

Suzanne Lecht, an American art consultant who escorted Bill Clinton around the galleries of Hanoi in 2000 and who has lived in Hanoi and run the Art Vietnam gallery since 1994, is trying to help Vietnamese artists gain more recognition in the United States. Her newest gallery, the Fielding Lecht Gallery, is in Austin, Tex., and she is planning an artist-in-residency program in Hanoi for international artists. “I want it to be a meeting place for artists from all over the world,” she said in a recent interview. “It will also expose Vietnamese artists to many more ideas,” she added.

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Just down the road from Mai's second gallery is the Apricot Gallery, which features minimalist artists like Le Thiet Cuong, whose family fled Hanoi for the countryside from 1964 to 1973 to escape American bombings, and Le Thanh Son, whose colorful canvases of village life impressed Mr. Clinton enough that he bought one to take home.

All galleries must get permission for exhibits; the government frowns on raw sexuality, and overtly political paintings, like depictions of “Uncle Ho,” are prohibited. Curious to see the experimental side of Vietnam's art scene — which was beginning to feel like a cross between Montmartre in the 1920s and Williamsburg in the 1990s — I visited L'Espace Centre Culturel Français de Hanoi and the Goethe Institute. Both, being foreign owned, get less government scrutiny (though they must still get a permit) and regularly hold public events that give exposure to installations and performance art presentations by conceptual artists.

At L'Espace an exhibit called “Surfaces” was on display, which showed small bits of dirt from historic places in Vietnam like My Lai, the site of a massacre of civilians by American troops in 1968. The Ryllega Gallery, next door to the opera, also provides space for experimental art installations, aided by a grant from a British cultural organization.

Art, it seemed, was everywhere in this city — from the Hanoi Museum of Fine Arts, with three floors and more than 2,000 objects on display, including artifacts from the Stone and Bronze Ages, an array of Buddhist images (one from 1057) and early lacquer paintings, to the many Hanoi restaurants that incorporate contemporary Vietnamese art into their décor.

In the public spaces of the century-old Metropole hotel, I noticed well-heeled American couples checking out the contemporary art on display in the lobby before heading out to the thatched roof terrace bar overlooking the hotel pool. The bar, with its large comfy wicker chairs, is an inviting spot to enjoy a well-made cosmo and warm, crispy spring rolls.

And, later, at dinner at the fashionable Restaurant Bobby Chinn, I watched a parade of young women in miniskirts traipse by my table and then followed them into a back room, where they were nestled on silk cushions in velvet banquettes, a water pipe in one hand, a drink in the other. On the walls behind them were abstract paintings from Mr. Chinn's personal art collection, which he regularly rotates through his restaurant.

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layered

February 18th, 2007, 06:48 AM

TO find the Mai Gallery in Hanoi, you must first walk down the bustling avenue of Le Thanh Tong, a street filled with flower stalls, neighborhood shops, sidewalk cafes and the ubiquitous roar of hundreds of motorbikes streaming in the direction of the century-old opera house.

On display inside the stark white space were the colorful urban landscape paintings of Nguyen Bao Ha, an Abstract Expressionist, whose work has been described as depicting the “cancerous” pace at which Vietnam is being developed.

The Mai Gallery website (http://www.maigallery-vietnam.com/default.asp) features the images of the paintings by Nguyen Bao Ha, and I agree that his paintings do present an evocative image of urban Việt Nam. However, I do not consider the development of urban Việt Nam to be "cancerous". The country is definitely at a turning point where development could turn out bad results, but I am confident that Vietnamese planners and architects are headed in a good direction at this time and will blend new development without sacrificing the existing culture and environment.

Take a look here at a couple of Nguyen Bao Ha's images:

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http://homepage.mac.com/overlain/.Pictures/Skyscraper/114,80x100.jpg

coolink

February 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM

Tre^n dda^y ddu'ng la` ta^m tra.ng cu?a mo^.t ngu*o*`i Vie^.t ha?i ngoa.i mang dda^`y ma(.c ca?m, hoa`n toa`n tra'i ngu*o*.c vo*'i su*. la.c quan, tin tu*o*?ng va`o tu*o*ng lai tu*o*i sa'ng cho que^ hu*o*ng cu?a ha^`u he^'t ngu*o*`i Vie^.t trong nu*o*'c, nhu* pha?n a'nh trong tinh tha^`n ba`i vie^'t tre^n dda^y.

I don't know how old you are but your pessimism scares me! Your comment shows that you're such a party-pooper. Go ahead and be negative yourself, but please, don't rain on my parade!

this is the true VC word used to describe those who are agains't them "mặc cảm" ...........mặc cảm? mặc cảm about what?, what is there to be mặc cảm about?......seriously...VC use strange strange expression for everything...

mặc cảm is everywhere but here, because I'm not the one who begged..think about it.

and I don't know how old you are but you said once you won't show yourself to the Vietnamese community in your area because you will get whoop.......you speak for yourself, I don't need to say anything more eh?

famster

February 18th, 2007, 05:10 PM

this is the true VC word used to describe those who are agains't them "mặc cảm" ...........mặc cảm? mặc cảm about what?, what is there to be mặc cảm about?......seriously...VC use strange strange expression for everything...

mặc cảm is everywhere but here, because I'm not the one who begged..think about it.

and I don't know how old you are but you said once you won't show yourself to the Vietnamese community in your area because you will get whoop.......you speak for yourself, I don't need to say anything more eh?

Listen and listen good, kiddo: "Ma(.c ca?m" vi` lo`ng tu*. ti mang do`ng ma'u Vie^.t Nam trong ngu*o*`i. "Ma(.c ca?m" nhu* khi ngu*o*`i ngoa.i quo^'c ho?i mi`nh tu*` dda^u dde^'n thi` kho^ng da'm no'i mi`nh la` ngu*o*`i Vie^.t Nam... You showed the lack of self-esteem being a Vietnamese yourself in your previous posts when you asked people to go to the Phillipines forum to read what they said about Vietnamese ("aggressive because VN is a communist country"). You also stated that young overseas Vietnamese don't want to be identified as Vietnamese or with Vietnamese culture because "VN is still one of the poorest nations on earth" or something of sort! How pathetic is that?!

I am no VC and again, I don't carry this HUGE baggage on my back to pass it to my children like your parents have done so successfully on you. My kids are PROUD to be Vietnamese and no one looks down on them because they are Vietnamese. Perhaps it's about time you take off that baggage on your back to start seeing things in a more positive way. From such a positive article that the World Bank wrote about Vietnam, you saw nothing but "begging"? I wonder how many readers of that article agree with you? Or is it only you and your parents who possess this tunnel-vision capability?

In my opinion, the fact that you are being so negative is way more pathetic than Vietnam is receiving aid from the World Bank.

coolink

February 18th, 2007, 10:27 PM

famster

February 19th, 2007, 01:14 AM

no you kid with many kids ..........listen and listen excelence

I Am super sorry that U mistaken my quote from a news article to me.

People ask where I'm from.... I tell them..."Ho chi minh city why not" which district "Tan Binh de thuong oh yeah"
where in Tan Binh? right next to the smelly river Thi Nghe.

I have no "mac cam" you strange person.

well you said communism is this and that and super cool ......so I just want to wake ya up to see what other people from other countries are thinking of VN communism.

so please don't ever link Vietnam the country...vietnam the people with the
"party" please don't it's so dirty

I have high hope for Vietnam the country and I have great trust for its people. It's just the "party" that I feel itchy.

my parents passing what what to me what what?
I don't see them until weekends or monthly now....so I am happy to see your parents bless you with this big fat forgiving heart........I mean huge.......you know how to forgive and all.......you're a saint.

but Vietnam the country....and its people I repeat are 2 different things from the communist party...........so don't link them together...or people will get confuse and think one of us is senile.

happy new year....love you

Where is it in that article that linked Vietnam, the country, to the Communist Party that it deserved your NEGATIVE comment? I put that article up because I am PROUD of Vietnam's progress as a country AND if the government of Vietnam is responsible for that progress, GOOD FOR IT!!! I don't give a hoot if it is communist or not, as long as it is making real progress to bring Vietnam forward. I also don't care if someone in the "Philippines Forum" thinks about communism because I don't think the Philippines has much to be proud about its own "democratic" government. It is jealousy that prompted such comments. And by the way, being called "aggressive" is NOTHING to be ashamed of, especially in the business world. It is those "aggressive" people that are getting ahead, not the other way around.

Did I ever say that "communism is supercool"? I am saying that like it or not, Vietnamese government is a communist one. You can criticize it all you want but it is still in firm control of VN and you have absolutely no choice. If you have constructive criticism, feel free to voice it because perhaps someone there will listen. With Vietnam's opening up to the world, its communist government has been changing for the better. You can argue that the change is too slow but you cannot deny that there have been drastic changes since the earlier years and thanks to that, the Vietnamese people are now in much better shape than they once were.

Anyways, Happy New Year to you, too. Open your heart and you too will be loved!