Yes or No and explain why you gave your answer?

For me right now NO.... because the same thing keep repeating every time with our politicians....they see running for any office as a chance to hit the jackpot...and steal the money that should be used to build the education system, infastructures e.t.c.....until we get someone reasonal that care for the people rather than his pocket then i can see hope....i call friends in nigeria and tell me...the same electric problems i lived with back in naija is still happening till today.....

I believe some parts of nigeria will get better but nigeria as a whole wont any time soon. Its not only corruption and mismanagement that plagues nigeria but also nigerians population. Goodluck trying to develop a city like kano with no proper urban planning guide/masterplan. And with an expected increase in population within the next decade many cities in nigeria will remain glorified slums. The only cities or states that i see developing are those with High IGR [internally generated revenue] and high education rate. cities and states without high IGR or high education rate will be the worst hit.

I believe some parts of nigeria will get better but nigeria as a whole wont any time soon. Its not only corruption and mismanagement that plagues nigeria but also nigerians population. Goodluck trying to develop a city like kano with no proper urban planning guide/masterplan. And with an expected increase in population within the next decade many cities in nigeria will remain glorified slums. The only cities or states that i see developing are those with High IGR [internally generated revenue] and high education rate. cities and states without high IGR or high education rate will be the worst hit.

That’s how it’s always been, unequal development. Nigeria will be lucky to survive the next 5 years, the rate it’s going. These Boko guys are the biggest threat to the country, all they have to do is start bombing parts of the South and Nigeria is finished.

yes, because things have to get worse before getting better
nigeria been through worse crisis like surviving the civil war

yes, because things have to get worse before getting better
nigeria been through worse crisis like surviving the civil war

Boko Haram is much worse because they’ve resorted to terror tactics; how do you win such a war? By murdering all her members and potential members (which would constitute a large number of the Northern Nigerian population), that’s obviously not viable.

i agree with dan and no boko haram isn't 'worst'.

boko haram is only seen as a 'national threat' because it's sensational. that's terrorism, it's loud, it's dramatic and it's intended to create an atmosphere of terror that far exceeds the capability to the perpetrator. Bin laden has many convinced he could have launched a global jihad to overthrow the west and islamize the world and the more he randomly bombs loud dramatic targets to more the irrational overcoat of fear allows people to believe the possiblity of this irrational goal.







i'll tell you something we all know but the irrationalization of terrorism has allowed us to feel ok forgetting. Boko Haram kills less nigerians then bad roads, kidnapping, armed robbers, building collapse, and poor medicine and ignorance such as going to a native doctor if you have aids or trying to pray away cancer.



we all know this. but these deaths are so common and boring that a senation like 40 died today from a bombing of a church makes us believe that this is the cause of most unwarranted deaths in nigeria and that's not true at all. Bad roads in nigeria have the often actualized potential to take 40 lives a week and we're all aware of this.




terrorists are best dealt with by ignoring them. Their power comes from attention because they lack the actual capacity to wield power since they take on their tactics after realizing they're fighting an unwinable battle against a superior foe.




Goodluck was called a fool for saying it, i even became upset, but the man is right. Terrorism is something we're just going to have to live with like everyone else. It's scary, it's tragic and it's frustrating but like car accidents, murders, rape, modern slavery and assault you can only react to them but you'll never completely stamp them out.


If I today took a bomb and threw it in a mosque there's nothing before god and man that can stop me. these people make bombs out of pop cans out of everyday materials. if i wanted to get a gun and shoot up a market nothing can stop me. If people realize these unpreventable attacks of violence are simply acts of violence and not overwhelming earthshaking conspiracies that can end the world order then we have no reason to fear.


nobody is predicting seperation because of traffic accidents, murders, robbery, prostitution, baby factories, kidnapping, extra judicial killings, drug dealing, gangsterism drug using, and social ignorance because though these kill more people and set back development further then boko haram, boko haram is simplier, more sensation, more dramatic and more fun to follow. It makes use feel as if we're facing a foe with a name unlike hearing an entire bus full of people were shot to death by robbers and being able to name a foe allows us to this we can kill it and end it.



it will never end. boko haram is a new introduction of the same problems the world faces that nigeria was blanketed from by time until now. Acts of selfless political anger. Risking your own life at no expected reward to harm the body politic out of anger. No matter how 'good' nigeria gets there willl still be the angry and now and forever they're going to take up arms and randomly attack people.


This isn't the beginning and this isn't the end. both regions in nigeria have now experienced it and the trend started in the south (MEND) not the north. Goodluck is right, we're just going to learn to live with it like we've learned to live with murder, rape, riots, car accidents, kidnapping and cultism.

i also don't believe that nigeria, in any way, is getting 'worst'. Nigerians are sensationalist and speak in emotional exaggerations as opposed to factual assessment. nobody can look at nigeria now and say people are in a worst situation than they were in the 90s because i lived there in the 90s. The problems we face today are seldom new and the new ones, boko haram and mend, are worst than the old ones they replaced, marginalization of the south south and turning deltans into refugees with no voice to protect them, allowing shell to have free reign in killing and destroying nigerian communities and lives, and northern military dictatorship.


i feel nigerians will always say their lot is the worst in the world because they don't know the world, the worst in history because they don't know history, and worst then tomorrow because they don't know tomorrow.

we're not factual thinkers, at all, it's probably why people are so religious and tribalistic. facts are secondary injections in a nigerian conversation. it's all about emotion and flare.

^^^Based on all that you explained do you honestly think that Nigeria is getting better? You just explained that more deaths result from bad roads, non-existent healthcare, and societal decay than Boko Haram. Lol I'm not sure that this is proof that Nigeria will get better.

I personally think that Nigeria will get worse considering the population growth rate and the slooooow pace in providing social amenities to meet this (when I say slow I mean the pace of a snail on disability). Sure the middle class and rich folks are increasing in numbers but the population of the absolute poor is (IMO) outracing those who are better off.

I was watching a lecture made by former world bank president to students at Stanford Uni, and he mentioned that the average GDP per capita of Sub-Saharan Africans by the year 2050 will be about 2000-3000 USD. Relative to the GDP increase of BRIC nations by that time this is kinda sad. I think Nigeria's GDP per head is just about average for Black African countries so this is not a good look. Combine this with a teeming population and we realize that some fundamental changes to government should be made if we are ever going to materialize improvement.

When I say fundamental, I mean a total upheaval of governmental structure, officials, everything.

Our current institutions are rotting and in need of a total makeover.

i agree with dan and no boko haram isn't 'worst'

Please give me examples where governments have won conflicts against terror groups?

The major issue with terrorism is that it’s more ideological than anything else; it’s easier to win a war against a clearly defined target. Ideological battles are significantly harder, because the idea can just as easily be picked up anyone.

Boko Haram could be pulling in new recruits on a daily basis!

i also don't believe that nigeria, in any way, is getting 'worst'. Nigerians are sensationalist and speak in emotional exaggerations as opposed to factual assessment. nobody can look at nigeria now and say people are in a worst situation than they were in the 90s because i lived there in the 90s. The problems we face today are seldom new and the new ones, boko haram and mend, are worst than the old ones they replaced, marginalization of the south south and turning deltans into refugees with no voice to protect them, allowing shell to have free reign in killing and destroying nigerian communities and lives, and northern military dictatorship.


i feel nigerians will always say their lot is the worst in the world because they don't know the world, the worst in history because they don't know history, and worst then tomorrow because they don't know tomorrow.

we're not factual thinkers, at all, it's probably why people are so religious and tribalistic. facts are secondary injections in a nigerian conversation. it's all about emotion and flare.

Well it depends on how you define the word ‘worst’?

^^^Based on all that you explained do you honestly think that Nigeria is getting better? You just explained that more deaths result from bad roads, non-existent healthcare, and societal decay than Boko Haram. Lol I'm not sure that this is proof that Nigeria will get better.

I personally think that Nigeria will get worse considering the population growth rate and the slooooow pace in providing social amenities to meet this (when I say slow I mean the pace of a snail on disability). Sure the middle class and rich folks are increasing in numbers but the population of the absolute poor is (IMO) outracing those who are better off.

I was watching a lecture made by former world bank president to students at Stanford Uni, and he mentioned that the average GDP per capita of Sub-Saharan Africans by the year 2050 will be about 2000-3000 USD. Relative to the GDP increase of BRIC nations by that time this is kinda sad. I think Nigeria's GDP per head is just about average for Black African countries so this is not a good look. Combine this with a teeming population and we realize that some fundamental changes to government should be made if we are ever going to materialize improvement.

When I say fundamental, I mean a total upheaval of governmental structure, officials, everything.

Our current institutions are rotting and in need of a total makeover.

So I'm not talking to myself when I say these things :laugh:

:applause:
Jesus if what he listed is the least of Nigeria's problems, the serious ones must be catastrophic :eek:

Boko Haram is not the worst killer in Nigeria but it creates the worst climate for growth and development.

Infrastructural woes have long been sidestepped in Nigeria as you can predict it, you can create measures to work around it , terror on the other hand is unpredictable and really you cannot work around it.

How do you expect investors to invest in Northern Nigeria, when relative stability does not exist. Armed Robbery does not affect business the same way, in fact foreign investors even saw armed robbery in parts of Nigeria for example as more tame than violence in South Africa for example. You can predict armed robbery in Nigeria, you can handle kidnapping etc, most of the time it is just the money they are after and nothing else is affected. Terror in Northern Nigeria is senseless, it is unpredictable, it is relentless and cannot be tolerated.

Boko Haram are destroying Northern Nigeria systematically.

In my opinion Southern Nigeria is improving, the reforms that we have on ground today in Nigeria is unprecedented and the level of governance is much improved in many states.

Look at Cross Rivers, Rivers State, Akwa Ibom, Anambra, Ekiti, Ogun, Edo, Kwara etc, these states have all improved in governance. Even when you see poverty increasing, we know the root causes and there are measures that will be taken to curtail it.

Southern Nigeria is very much manageable and I don't see the cause for alarm.

Boko Haram is not the worst killer in Nigeria but it creates the worst climate for growth and development.

Infrastructural woes have long been sidestepped in Nigeria as you can predict it, you can create measures to work around it , terror on the other hand is unpredictable and really you cannot work around it.

How do you expect investors to invest in Northern Nigeria, when relative stability does not exist. Armed Robbery does not affect business the same way, in fact foreign investors even saw armed robbery in parts of Nigeria for example as more tame than violence in South Africa for example. You can predict armed robbery in Nigeria, you can handle kidnapping etc, most of the time it is just the money they are after and nothing else is affected. Terror in Northern Nigeria is senseless, it is unpredictable, it is relentless and cannot be tolerated.

Boko Haram are destroying Northern Nigeria systematically.

ok then see how the things you mentioned have anything to do with nigeria, basically every region in nigeria has its own problem, the issue of bombings are no worse than corruption, you admit that they are destroying the north systematically, but if it is destroying the north then it is not destroying the south, the north never had a crisis whereby we had people fleeing the north going to the south, the only people leaving the north going to the south are non indigenes going back to there home states, financially, whatever happens hurts the north and nowhere else, the development, security in the south is in the hands of southerners, not the north, up to date most terrorist attacks in the south were done by southern terrorists, the threats of last year which disrupted businesses and shook potential investors were made by southerners
when killing animal, you start at the head, make changes at the top starting with are incompetent president and those surrounding him and eventually,things will change

i also don't believe that nigeria, in any way, is getting 'worst'. Nigerians are sensationalist and speak in emotional exaggerations as opposed to factual assessment. nobody can look at nigeria now and say people are in a worst situation than they were in the 90s because i lived there in the 90s. The problems we face today are seldom new and the new ones, boko haram and mend, are worst than the old ones they replaced, marginalization of the south south and turning deltans into refugees with no voice to protect them, allowing shell to have free reign in killing and destroying nigerian communities and lives, and northern military dictatorship.


i feel nigerians will always say their lot is the worst in the world because they don't know the world, the worst in history because they don't know history, and worst then tomorrow because they don't know tomorrow.

we're not factual thinkers, at all, it's probably why people are so religious and tribalistic. facts are secondary injections in a nigerian conversation. it's all about emotion and flare.

reactionaries, not revolutionaries, that is the problem we have in nigeria
when you make decisions or set out points when your emotions are high, you will say unrealistic things, remember the question of nigeria working only happens when their bomb attacks, as soon as things are quiet, no one questions nigeria working, the whole point is people have to show the spirit when nigeria is peaceful the same way when we have violence of any sort that is the only thing that define a strong nation, when their is a bomb blast that kills someone you know you may actually kill your neighbour before looking at real facts, i remember 2 months ago something happened within a space of weeks, a bus driver was shot, people speculated that it was a northerner that killed him, people started targetting northerners, a few hours later it was confirmed the policeman was actually a southerner
it is no point calling yourself educated, if you think with emotion and not with facts, fanaticism runs with emotion not doctrine

Boko Haram is much worse because they’ve resorted to terror tactics; how do you win such a war? By murdering all her members and potential members (which would constitute a large number of the Northern Nigerian population), that’s obviously not viable.

its easy to deal with terror tactics than with polarization, polarization will be used to recruit, terror tactics are just a symptom of a polarized nation, false dilemma is holding the country back as much as the bombings are bad for nigeria, we should not run away from the fact that nigeria is ran by some incompetent people who gain from a polarized country, when you use black and white thinking the issue happens that you will label northerners as the problem, and fail to see the problems in yourself, it is not northerners holding the country back, if you believe so, tell me how and i will tell you who and why you are wrong

reactionaries, not revolutionaries, that is the problem we have in nigeria
when you make decisions or set out points when your emotions are high, you will say unrealistic things, remember the question of nigeria working only happens when their bomb attacks, as soon as things are quiet, no one questions nigeria working, the whole point is people have to show the spirit when nigeria is peaceful the same way when we have violence of any sort that is the only thing that define a strong nation, when their is a bomb blast that kills someone you know you may actually kill your neighbour before looking at real facts, i remember 2 months ago something happened within a space of weeks, a bus driver was shot, people speculated that it was a northerner that killed him, people started targetting northerners, a few hours later it was confirmed the policeman was actually a southerner
it is no point calling yourself educated, if you think with emotion and not with facts, fanaticism runs with emotion not doctrine

The police officer was from the Middle Belt and I don't remember anyone targeting Northerners after that. They left of their own accord because they feared that they might be targeted.

Please give me examples where governments have won conflicts against terror groups?

The major issue with terrorism is that it’s more ideological than anything else; it’s easier to win a war against a clearly defined target. Ideological battles are significantly harder, because the idea can just as easily be picked up anyone.

Boko Haram could be pulling in new recruits on a daily basis!

Every boko haram attacker has been caught after their bombing.
The government has made countless busts and successful bunker raids
the government has caught boko harams spokesman
the government has put most of the north under intense security
MEND has ceased to halt oil production
MEND militants are sent abroad for schooling and have returned as engineers.

this is more then the US has done about 9/11.

Bok haram IS pulling new recruits on a daily basis. This is not the point. New armed robbers are taking arms every day. new pimps are finding women to sell everyday. more people catch aids everyday, in EVERY SINGLE nation on earth. Terrorism is a buzz word used by Us republicans to sell a neocon foriegn policy. Lets not fall into their trap. If someone takes a bomb and throws it at a school he's a terrorist, now consider the fact that anyone with at least 5 fingers can do this you'll realize it's not what it's being sold as (a war against a tangible foe). It's going to be a reflect that the world will have to deal with when someone is displeased and fanatical which someone somewhere always will be.









^^^Based on all that you explained do you honestly think that Nigeria is getting better? You just explained that more deaths result from bad roads, non-existent healthcare, and societal decay than Boko Haram. Lol I'm not sure that this is proof that Nigeria will get better.

I personally think that Nigeria will get worse considering the population growth rate and the slooooow pace in providing social amenities to meet this (when I say slow I mean the pace of a snail on disability). Sure the middle class and rich folks are increasing in numbers but the population of the absolute poor is (IMO) outracing those who are better off.

I was watching a lecture made by former world bank president to students at Stanford Uni, and he mentioned that the average GDP per capita of Sub-Saharan Africans by the year 2050 will be about 2000-3000 USD. Relative to the GDP increase of BRIC nations by that time this is kinda sad. I think Nigeria's GDP per head is just about average for Black African countries so this is not a good look. Combine this with a teeming population and we realize that some fundamental changes to government should be made if we are ever going to materialize improvement.

When I say fundamental, I mean a total upheaval of governmental structure, officials, everything.

Our current institutions are rotting and in need of a total makeover.

you're just typing to argue. nothing i've said is irrational of non factual.
yes i listed "bad things" but i can make an equally hefty list for "good things" and nothing on either list will be exclusive to nigeria.


I see nigeria has improved, the entire world, except nigerians in diaspora, have seen nigeria has improved. You guys make the mistake of thinking improvement means giant dramatic overhaul and problemless society. that's not the case. every improvement will be someone elses problem and ever improvement will create a new problem as is the case everywhere in the world.

for the fact that in 10 years my relatives have gone from trying to find food to trying to lose weight i can say that yes nigeria is improving

Boko Haram is not the worst killer in Nigeria but it creates the worst climate for growth and development.

Infrastructural woes have long been sidestepped in Nigeria as you can predict it, you can create measures to work around it , terror on the other hand is unpredictable and really you cannot work around it.

How do you expect investors to invest in Northern Nigeria, when relative stability does not exist. Armed Robbery does not affect business the same way, in fact foreign investors even saw armed robbery in parts of Nigeria for example as more tame than violence in South Africa for example. You can predict armed robbery in Nigeria, you can handle kidnapping etc, most of the time it is just the money they are after and nothing else is affected. Terror in Northern Nigeria is senseless, it is unpredictable, it is relentless and cannot be tolerated.

Boko Haram are destroying Northern Nigeria systematically.

In my opinion Southern Nigeria is improving, the reforms that we have on ground today in Nigeria is unprecedented and the level of governance is much improved in many states.

Look at Cross Rivers, Rivers State, Akwa Ibom, Anambra, Ekiti, Ogun, Edo, Kwara etc, these states have all improved in governance. Even when you see poverty increasing, we know the root causes and there are measures that will be taken to curtail it.

Southern Nigeria is very much manageable and I don't see the cause for alarm.

no it's not. not at all. the worst climate for investment is a lack of transparency, rule of law, accountability and infrustructure, all of which has been improving in nigeria but still exist. again, improve doesn't mean eliminate.

Yes armed robbers doesn't effect business the same way terrorist do because terrorists are deliberately sensation and are meant to feed on people's irrational fears. i foriegner may refrain from investing after a terror attack, but after investing if he is cheated scammed abused or robbed will he want to stay as well, because if you stay in nigeria for 4 months one of these things will happen to you.

also get off foreign investors dick. wtf is foriegn investment, it's NOT the key to development just on of many brands of icing. a foriegn investory can hire 300 nigerians and that's a lot, and make 1 million USD a year from nigeria, which he'll send back to his country while paying that 300 people 150 usd a month. We're not winning in the situation. Local investment >> Foreign investment and local investment is more detered by armed robbery then the threat of terrorism.



my dad built a school in the village and was constantly set back by people stealing his equiptment at night, robbing the building site blind. in the duration of building this school there had to have been no less then 12 terror attacks in nigeria and none of them set anything he was doing back at all.



stop being a slave to sensation. for once i agree with Dan.

The police officer was from the Middle Belt and I don't remember anyone targeting Northerners after that. They left of their own accord because they feared that they might be targeted.

uh now he is from the middle belt, and the middle belt is part of the north now, but when it's doing good it is not part of the north (just playing). read and stop lying, northerners were being target after the bus driver was killed because the thought the policeman was actually hausa or fulani

http://africanspotlight.com/2012/02/nigeria-igbos-attacking-northerners-in-onitsha-asaba

the policeman was actually from the delta state actually

the nigerian media is also INCREDIBLY dangerous and the source of a lot of nonsense and death in nigeria because they're never held accountable to tell the truth and fan flames of ethnic disconnect to sell papers to a dramatic populace. I do feel northerners are completely under attack by the media in nigeria and it's worst then boko haram because such things have led to more deaths and evacuations of humans from their homes than boko haram. Anytime someone dies from jos up, without investigation, it's called an ethnic thing. next thing you know reactionary deaths in kaduna, ontisha, the delta and maidugari break out, war mongering vagabonds from chad flood in, and the real story comes out later that it wasn't what the news intitally called it but by that time they've made their money and are not accusing living breathing celebraties of being dead.

No they thought he was a Northerner, but he was actually from the middle Belt.

That is sensational writing :|

Even the leader of MASSOB said that people should not participate in reprisal attacks, it didn't say that civilians were attacked. Some Northerners fearing reprisal attacks would occur fled to Asaba, but there were no reports of actual Northerners being attacked, it was Police forces that were attacked.

However, the situation took an ethnic coloration as drivers and other hoodlums in the commercial city went on rampage demanding the elimination of Hausa people on the ground that the policeman who shot the deceased was a Hausa man.

The situation also escalated when the angry mob descended on the police team earlier sent by the Anambra state Commissioner of Police, Mr. Muhtari Ibrahim to reach and appeal to the rampaging crowd which led to the policemen retreating to avoid further casualties.

It was gathered that the Divisional Police Officer in charge of Central Police Station, Mr. Abdul Yusuf escaped death by the whiskers when the angry mob descended on him when he led his men to the scene of the incident.

The angry mob also went on the rampage in different parts of the commercial city hunting for Hausa people who (Which) led to many of them taking refuge at the Central Police Station, CPS and other police stations within the city, with many others around the Bridgehead crossing over to Asaba, the Delta state capital.

An angry mob consisting of members of the Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra(MASSOB) was yesterday stopped from attacking an "Hausa settlement in Onitsha following the killing of a Coaster bus driver by a police officer because he refused to offer bribe at a checkpoint.

LEADERSHIP gathered that the mob was stopped by the leader of MASSOB, Chief Ralph Uwazuruike from harming northerners who had already fled into hiding.

It took a timely intervention of MASSOB leaders to bring the situation slightly under control. The MASSOB leadership kept ordering the mob to concentrate only on dismantling the police checkpoints and not to attack any Hausa man.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201202101048.html


Malam Habibu Adamu, a Northerner who lives in Onitsha, said there was no loss of life among his people, but that their properties and belongings were looted by miscreants.

In his account, the Chief Imam of Onitsha Central Mosque, Abdurahaman Hamza, said as follows: “It was around afternoon when some people started attacking us and our people ran to barracks seeking [refuge]. Some of our people sustained injuries but there is no death. We thank God that soldiers and mobile police men have taken over the town, though some of our people have fled to Asaba and some are planning to go back to the North.”
http://saharareporters.com/news-page/onitsha-we-have-fished-out-killer-policeman-commissioner



The Police officers name was Samuel Ojana from Benue State which is in the Middle Belt.

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yes Arinze that's sensational writing. ...have you ever read a nigerian newspaper because it seems to me that you're gearing to begin an arguement about nigerian newspapers despite living in the US 24/7.

No they thought he was a Northerner, but he was actually from the middle Belt.

That is sensational writing :|

Even the leader of MASSOB said that people should not participate in reprisal attacks, it didn't say that civilians were attacked. Some Northerners fearing reprisal attacks would occur fled to Asaba, but there were no reports of actual Northerners being attacked, it was Police forces that were attacked.








The Police officers name was Samuel Ojana from Benue State which is in the Middle Belt.

but this is what i said "northerners were being target after the bus driver was killed because the thought the policeman was actually hausa or fulani" and you just provided this

Malam Habibu Adamu, a Northerner who lives in Onitsha, said there was no loss of life among his people, but that their properties and belongings were looted by miscreants.

In his account, the Chief Imam of Onitsha Central Mosque, Abdurahaman Hamza, said as follows: “It was around afternoon when some people started attacking us and our people ran to barracks seeking [refuge]. Some of our people sustained injuries but there is no death. We thank God that soldiers and mobile police men have taken over the town, though some of our people have fled to Asaba and some are planning to go back to the North.”
http://saharareporters.com/news-page...n-commissioner

what else arinze? stop defending the indefensible, people were attacked for something they had no ties with based on false information

The fact of the matter is that he was from the Middle Belt.

Like I have always said it wrong to attack anyone because they happen to share the same tyhe ethnicity with someone who committed a crime.

Nigerian Police once again show how useless they really are.

What Arinze said when this story was originally posted :|
I probably forgot the rest of the story :dunno: Give me a break, back to back weeks of being sick, sorry I don't remember every detail.


what else arinze? stop defending the indefensible, people were attacked for something they had no ties with based on false information

So what am I defending?

Every boko haram attacker has been caught after their bombing.
The government has made countless busts and successful bunker raids
the government has caught boko harams spokesman
the government has put most of the north under intense security
MEND has ceased to halt oil production
MEND militants are sent abroad for schooling and have returned as engineers.

this is more then the US has done about 9/11.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/BunnyWurb/giffy/2iiwk1s.gif

I agree that deserves some serious side eye :laugh:

I wonder what kind of drugs you have to get your hands on to trip that hard...

you're just typing to argue. nothing i've said is irrational of non factual.
yes i listed "bad things" but i can make an equally hefty list for "good things" and nothing on either list will be exclusive to nigeria.


I see nigeria has improved, the entire world, except nigerians in diaspora, have seen nigeria has improved. You guys make the mistake of thinking improvement means giant dramatic overhaul and problemless society. that's not the case. every improvement will be someone elses problem and ever improvement will create a new problem as is the case everywhere in the world.

for the fact that in 10 years my relatives have gone from trying to find food to trying to lose weight i can say that yes nigeria is improving

So in your honest opinion there are at least as many good things as there are bad things in Nigeria?

Honestly????? With all of the Nigerians queuing at embassies and praying and fasting to get visas to get the hell out?

Come on dude.

Yes I state confidently that the Nigerian government has to be totally uprooted before Nigerians can start to talk of substantial improvement. Much of the political elite today are the same people (or offshoots of the same people) who messed up Nigeria.

Do you expect change from them? :ohno:

I know the main theme of discussion at Skyscrapercity is about architectural design and city/urban planning (at least in the visual sense), but the pictures of few shopping malls, Lagos buildings, and other decorations here doesn't equate development or improvement in Nigeria at all.

My definition of development: the ability to be VASTLY self-sufficient in multiple areas including agriculture, manufacturing, technology, among others.

My definition of social amenities: reliable pension and social security, quality universal health care with functioning emergency service, free quality education with passable infrastructure and human resources to enable it, adequate security (police), welfare and housing for the homeless/poor, ELECTRICITY and reliable utilities such as water, gas(for cooking), etc..

How is Nigeria faring on the two points above in your opinion?

You are attempting to reason with a brick wall :lol:
Ajepako and Paddylo have this belief that Nigeria is way better because of malls and fast food joints, despite the fact all the basic functions of government are non existent :crazy: They are believers in the trickle down policy, voodoo economics, Reaganomics..take your pick :lol: That if a few folks get rich that translates to greater wealth for the rest.

From water to security, Nigerians are on their own and this hasn't changed, if anything it seems like more tasks are being required to live "comfortably".

I don't have anything against flashy cars, malls, and etc. but the fact is that Nigeria on the human development side is not progressing. China with its massive population can boast of infrastructural development in addition to the flashy things, Nigeria?

You cannot have people rioting in the streets over fuel increase, which in dollars amounts to a few cents, and say things are "Ok"