I've been approached by a member who thinks it would be a good idea to organise all Malmö threads into their own section much in the same way that we did with Stockholm as there has been a big increase in traffic in the Malmö section.

So, what do you guys think? Do you think that Malmö should have its own section? I've given the poll a 30 day limit as I think that should be enough to gauge opinions from active members.

There´s around 15 more or less active Malmö threads so I think it´s a good idea.

Well, since the Malmö threads are more active than the Stockholm ones it feels wrong to say no. ;)

I vote Yes.

[juxtaposition],smth around 20 threads,if you also count closed archive threads ;)


I'd like to add that if enough forumers support it and Malmö get's it's own city section on Swedish forum,then it would be good idea express ideas here regarding any improvements to Malmö related threads.

I love following the Malmö threads, and I think the deserve their own subforum, but only if it doesn't lead to less activity in them, casue that's bad!

:)

[juxtaposition],smth around 20 threads,if you also count closed archive threads ;)


I'd like to add that if enough forumers support it and Malmö get's it's own city section on Swedish forum,then it would be good idea express ideas here regarding any improvements to Malmö related threads.

Indeed :)

What kind of improvements did you have in mind?

;90254944']Indeed :)

What kind of improvements did you have in mind?
How to rename threads,what threads should be included in new section and what not (typically in addition to city's own projects,city's metro area projects are also included in it's section),if there's need for quick links thread,if there's need to split/merge certain threads etc.

It might seem irrelevant at the moment,but it's perfect time to figure out these things,as it saves Svartmetall's time as he can do necessary changes at same time with thread moving into future Malmö city section :)

^^ Wow, I really need to start thinking like a forumist more :)

Voted Yes!

The people in the Malmö threads are fantastic contributors, keep up the good work! :)

Probably yes. Out of the 20 top threads in the Swedish subforum maybe 10-15 are Malmö related, so it would probably make sense. It would make the Swedish subforum less Malmö dominated and also allow the Malmö section to develop more.



EDIT: I noticed that one forumer has voted against this proposal. Maybe we could get some input on why? We should probably list both the pros and the cons for this proposal. I, for one, can't really think of any cons at this point, other than that the general Swedish sub-forum would become a bit less active.

By the way, if Malmö gets its own subforum, make sure to call it Metropolitan Malmö as Lund and all other metro cities should be included as well. That way we can have separate threads for Lund's tram system and so on.

Good luck with the Malmö sub-forum! :) I hope it gets really active!

Nice to see you being really avtive again Staff, are you back in Sweden?

^^
Nope, in Melbourne. It is really interesting to follow all the developments back home though! And while I can't contribute with photo updates, I can still browse for information and news online. :okay:

Got to thinking about the naming convention for the project threads. I like them the way they are but adding the architects might be a good idea?

Y.E.S!

juxta,

There may be a standardised naming theme for construction threads throughout the entire SSC, but I'm not sure. Maybe Svartmetall could answer this.


Another thing I thought about; is it possible to have a Malmö thread in the general Swedish subforum where we post MAJOR updates and news (in English) so that outsiders can easily follow what is going on in the city? Since Stockholm got its own subforum I rarely find myself venturing in there to check what's going on, and I wish there would be a sort of general thread with major updates and news in the general section for that reason.

What about a united Malmö/København subforum, - is that too many threads ?

I vote: Yes. :)
Also, Gothenburg deserves a sub-forum.

juxta,

There may be a standardised naming theme for construction threads throughout the entire SSC, but I'm not sure. Maybe Svartmetall could answer this.

There is no standard naming scheme for threads, however, we generally try to keep naming standardised in each sub-forum for clarity and neatness. If you guys can suggest a new way of naming threads I'd be more than happy to hear about it and implement any changes as members see fit. :)

Hafnia,

Very interesting idea. Are you referring to a totally separate forum from the national forums? Like an Öresund forum next to Sweden, Denmark etc?



Svartmetall,

Sounds good. How about my proposal in post #17 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90262500&postcount=17)?

Also, with a Malmö forum I suggest that we should finally have different threads for different areas in Malmö-- like one VH thread, one Hyllie thread etc.

What about a united Malmö/København subforum, - is that too many threads ?
There's no such thing as "too many threads" ;) But it would be nightmare to link it together and still keep it accessible from both Danish & Swedish forums. I mean both Swedes and Danes would still like to have their city section in their forum,right?

Btw,are there really that many joint Copenhagen/Malmö projects?
I vote: Yes. :)
Also, Gothenburg deserves a sub-forum.
Yes it does,but right now Göteborg needs considerably more threads (and activity). At the moment there are just ~8 threads related to Göteborg on Swedish forum,which clearly isn't enough for city that size.
:D C'mon,where are all architecture fans from Göteborg hiding?

Yes it does,but right now Göteborg needs considerably more threads (and activity). At the moment there are just ~8 threads related to Göteborg on Swedish forum,which clearly isn't enough for city that size.

Somhow I feel that the activity might increase with the creation of a new sub-forum for this city. :)

C'mon,where are all architecture fans from Göteborg hiding?

Maybe Yimby.se is the place where they hide. :D

Well, I am not a huge fan of the idea of having a joint area for Denmark/Sweden. I'm sure that there aren't enough projects between the two cities to justify a section of its own. I am happy to be proven wrong, though! :)

Svartmetall,

Sounds good. How about my proposal in post #17 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90262500&postcount=17)?

Also, with a Malmö forum I suggest that we should finally have different threads for different areas in Malmö-- like one VH thread, one Hyllie thread etc.

We can have a major projects thread in English if someone is willing to keep it updated as I am not familiar enough with Malmö myself to do that unfortunately. :(

I do agree with having separate threads for each area of Malmö, though that'll take rather a lot of sorting so you'll have to bear with me. I can go through the Malmö project thread over time and move information into the correct threads, or contributors are free to create a new thread and post the information themselves.

There is no standard naming scheme for threads, however, we generally try to keep naming standardised in each sub-forum for clarity and neatness. If you guys can suggest a new way of naming threads I'd be more than happy to hear about it and implement any changes as members see fit. :)

I´ll be happy with just adding "| architecht" to the existing way.


Also, give the Gbg guys a brake. They just got their own city architect ;)

There's no such thing as "too many threads" ;) But it would be nightmare to link it together and still keep it accessible from both Danish & Swedish forums. I mean both Swedes and Danes would still like to have their city section in their forum,right? I was thinking in a more independent forum. In fact as a kind of Öresund forum for the 2 cities as proposed by Staff below. The 2 cities - and the metropolitan areas around Öresund - develop closer and closer to each other, and will in future in all cases be one. On the other hand, it maybe doesn't make any sense if an united forum seems too diversed and tecnicially is too complicated.

I also think it would make a landmark for SSC to create a sub forum covering 2 cities with their respective metro areas, in 2 countries.

Hafnia,

Very interesting idea. Are you referring to a totally separate forum from the national forums? Like an Öresund forum next to Sweden, Denmark etc?
Atually that's what meant :dunno::yes: Yes this is the idea, maybe to extreme for the majority, but in my head I don't considerer the city of Malmö more different as e.g. Helsingør or Roskilde which for most Danes/Copenhageners are in the metropolitan area, and I guess the Malmö citizens think the same about Helsingborg and Copenhagen. I work daily with commuters from Skåne as has done it for severel years, so it's very normal, and with our historical and geographical background it's naturel.
A link to the Loop City Vision posted by Ramblersen. http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/11367/big-architects-finger-plan-to-loop-city-1947-2047.html

I voted without doubt for Malmö to have its own subforum. Right know Malmö have the most active threads in Swedish forum and i hope to contribute with more constriction pictures and news.

Hafnia,

I'm all for that. And like you mention-- it is not because there are many joint projects between the cities (many infrastructure projects are directly or indirectly joint though) but because they are part of the same metropolitan area. And I guess it would be a SSC first :)

However, before considering that there should probably be a poll in the Copenhagen forum as well.


Svartmetall,

Regarding the area-specific threads for Malmö-- I figured we'd just start new threads for each respective area, 'start from scratch', and just keep the older area-specific posts in the general Projects & Construction thread. No need to move things around I reckon.

:D C'mon,where are all architecture fans from Göteborg hiding?

Yes, there should be plenty considering the large Architecture program at Chalmers.

I was thinking in a more independent forum. In fact as a kind of Öresund forum for the 2 cities as proposed by Staff below. The 2 cities - and the metropolitan areas around Öresund - develop closer and closer to each other, and will in future in all cases be one. On the other hand, it maybe doesn't make any sense if an united forum seems too diversed and tecnicially is too complicated.

I also think it would make a landmark for SSC to create a sub forum covering 2 cities with their respective metro areas, in 2 countries.

Originally Posted by staff
Hafnia,

Very interesting idea. Are you referring to a totally separate forum from the national forums? Like an Öresund forum next to Sweden, Denmark etc?
Atually that's what meant

:dunno::yes: Yes this is the idea, maybe to extreme for the majority, but in my head I don't considerer the city of Malmö more different as e.g. Helsingør or Roskilde which for most Danes/Copenhageners are in the metropolitan area, and I guess the Malmö citizens think the same about Helsingborg and Copenhagen. I work daily with commuters from Skåne as has done it for severel years, so it's very normal, and with our historical and geographical background it's naturel.
A link to the Loop City Vision posted by Ramblersen. http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/11367/big-architects-finger-plan-to-loop-city-1947-2047.html

However much I like Malmö and to follow what's going on on over there, I must admit UI think that would be pushing it too far:

- It is not exactly like we are very regular visitors to eachother's threads
- Noone seems interested in using the Øresund Region thread even for topics of trans-sound relevance - they are kept in local threads.
- Malmö has pulled the excluding Swedish-language card

t is not that I mind common subforum with Malmö as such - and I'm all for everything that integrate our region - but I think that our ties with the rest of Denmark are basically still a lot tighter (and should be). And I don't really see the benefits, it will already be much easier to follow the development in Malm with a separate Malmö subforum.

^^
All good points.

So, to summarise so far:

Creation of a city specific sub-forum

The majority appear to be in favour of this, which is excellent. I'm refrained from offering opinion so far to be unbiased and I will remain that way. I am just a facilitator for the future of the forum for Malmö contributors. :)

Creation of a joint sub-forum between CPH and Malmö

Mixed opinions and views on this. Logistically it would be difficult, and though it is a nice idea, the Danes and Swedes would have to agree on how to organise the forum and I think things could get a bit messy (as a few members have pointed out). Currently it is good to have separate identities as despite there being a lot of cross-city commuting, there is also a lot of intercity commuting in other European nations, but the respective cities still maintain their own identity quite strongly (IE lots of commuting between Reading and London but both cities are still fundamentally separate).

Creation of an English language major project update thread

There are some members who believe this to be a good idea, but not all have voiced an opinion on this yet. I think it would work nicely and encourage more outside participation in some of the excellent projects occurring in Malmö at the moment too.

Creating separate threads for specific projects and different areas of the city

There has been talk about dividing up the projects by area and/or by specific projects for large, far reaching projects. I would like to hear more feedback on this before we go ahead with this. Largely it seems members are currently in support of it from what has been heard so far.

If you guys could offer opinions on each of these things it would be great as I'm really interested in getting opinions from all regular, contributing members so that everyone can reach agreement on how your sub-forum is run. :)

So, to summarise so far:

Creation of a city specific sub-forum

The majority appear to be in favour of this, which is excellent. I'm refrained from offering opinion so far to be unbiased and I will remain that way. I am just a facilitator for the future of the forum for Malmö contributors. :)

Creation of a joint sub-forum between CPH and Malmö

Mixed opinions and views on this. Logistically it would be difficult, and though it is a nice idea, the Danes and Swedes would have to agree on how to organise the forum and I think things could get a bit messy (as a few members have pointed out). Currently it is good to have separate identities as despite there being a lot of cross-city commuting, there is also a lot of intercity commuting in other European nations, but the respective cities still maintain their own identity quite strongly (IE lots of commuting between Reading and London but both cities are still fundamentally separate).

Creation of an English language major project update thread

There are some members who believe this to be a good idea, but not all have voiced an opinion on this yet. I think it would work nicely and encourage more outside participation in some of the excellent projects occurring in Malmö at the moment too.

Creating separate threads for specific projects and different areas of the city

There has been talk about dividing up the projects by area and/or by specific projects for large, far reaching projects. I would like to hear more feedback on this before we go ahead with this. Largely it seems members are currently in support of it from what has been heard so far.

If you guys could offer opinions on each of these things it would be great as I'm really interested in getting opinions from all regular, contributing members so that everyone can reach agreement on how your sub-forum is run. :)


Creation of a city specific sub-forum
Well, yes :)


Creation of a joint sub-forum between CPH and Malmö
I´m leaning towards keeping it separate.


Creation of an English language major project update thread
I agree that it would probably encourage more outside participation, and that would be fun. However, once we switched from English to Swedish we saw a bunch of new faces show up in the Malmö forums, surfacing because they found it easier to write in Swedish I presume. So from where I´m standing it is partly because of that switch we´re discussing a Malmö sub forum.

I wonder how a separate English speaking thread would be maintained. Would all projects be posted there, but with English comments? Are we still keeping a main Malmö Projects thread in Swedish for all projects not belonging to any specific thread? How much double posting would there be? Personally, I find it a little annoying when discussions about a project with it´s own thread pop up in a main thread instead. What´s the point of the sub thread then?

Or is it ok to leave this would-be thread a little outside the box and see what happens?


Creating separate threads for specific projects and different areas of the city
Yes. VH should for example have it´s own thread. It´s a big project, spanning decades of development.

So, to summarise so far:


Creation of a city specific sub-forum
Yes, please. Let's do it!

Creation of a joint sub-forum between CPH and Malmö
Nope, nothing but confusion will come of this. Malmö and CPH are not one city.

Creation of an English language major project update thread
This violates the DRY principle big time. Don't Repeat Yourself. Unless we can find someone willing to translate and keep threads in sync on a regular basis, I think we are better of without.

Creating separate threads for specific projects and different areas of the city
Yeah that's a good idea! Let's have one of VH and Hyllie. Both areas will see a lot of action in the coming years.

Creation of a city specific sub-forum
Yes.


Creation of a joint sub-forum between CPH and Malmö
It's possibly too early for this. I see it happening in the future though.


Creation of an English language major project update thread
Just to clarify what I meant when I proposed this-- it is meant as purely a summary of all major projects (and major updates of these) in English in the main Swedish forum. It's not meant for any real discussion unless such is generated by the readers.

Creating separate threads for specific projects and different areas of the city
Yes. :)

Thanks everyone for your responses. It's good to see such enthusiasm in shaping the future of the Swedish section! :)

I will give it a couple more days and then contact Matthieu to get a new section made for Malmö if there are no major objections.

I think it's a great idea to make an Øresund Region forum that includes all the cities, perhaps with Malmö and Copenhagen as separate forums, though I like the idea of having it all in one place. None of the cities have a future on their own.

We're competing for resources world wide, including for the best ideas and the strongest network effects. Therefore I think it's a great idea to be up to date on what's happening elsewhere in the region and help foster a healthy and friendly competitive spirit.

Keeping everything connected sends a strong message, both to the rest of the skyscrapercity forum, as well as to ourselves.

^^
Can't really argue with this. I definitely think there should be a joint Oresund forum-- I'm just not sure we're ready for it just yet. Maybe we should have another poll where only CPH and Malmo forumers were allowed to vote?

I think it's a great idea to make an Øresund Region forum that includes all the cities, perhaps with Malmö and Copenhagen as separate forums, though I like the idea of having it all in one place. None of the cities have a future on their own.

We're competing for resources world wide, including for the best ideas and the strongest network effects. Therefore I think it's a great idea to be up to date on what's happening elsewhere in the region and help foster a healthy and friendly competitive spirit.

Keeping everything connected sends a strong message, both to the rest of the skyscrapercity forum, as well as to ourselves.

I pretty much agree with what you say. Only thing is that Copenhagen is not just part of the Øresund Region but just as much the centre of the 'Denmark Region". Aarhus likes to see itself as the capital of the "(East) Jutland Region" - and in many ways it is - but in just as many ways Copenhagen is the centre of a pan-Danish Region. The distances are not really that much larger (by international standards) and for all sorts of political, economic, social, historic and practical reasons, we are still much more integrated with the 'Denmark Region' that with that of Øresund. In my mind, the true region is a "Denmark + Scania one - but that wouldn't work for all sorts of reasons (mental though). But just look at traveling times and densities compared to other regions.

As for the proposal about a Copenhagen and Malmö only vote I must say I don't really like it. Copenhagen is the capital of all of Denmark and therefore not just the local's city (as you could argue that Malmö is), although I am sure that some people from Jutland would only be happy to see Copenhagen leave the Danish forum.

I think the whole swedish forum would suffer if Malmö were to go with Copenhagen since Malmö is the most active part in the Sweden division.

@ramblersen: I find myself agreeing wildly with some of your sentences only to completely disagree on others. I think you see the world as split into countries and "cultures". I see it as networks of commerce and human relationships (culture?). The core of this region is Copenhagen+Malmö with extensions all the way to Aalborg and Herning. I'm not so certain about where the region extends to on the Swedish side. Perhaps all the way to Göteborg? Perhaps not.

Fact is the infrastructure is lacking in the region both internally (Aarhus-Copenhagen doesn't work for commuting) and to other regions (Hamburg, Stockholm, Oslo). We need high-speed rail to create a high-volume education, job and culture "market" or "space" within the region. Femern is a small part of fixing this though it is mostly sold as a cargo line.

But all these short comings are about the past. This forum is about the future. The future, if we dare grasp it, is about integrating around the core of the Øresund region. We need to gather all our resources to compete.

But you do hit the nail on the national politics. Malmö's future is with Copenhagen not Stockholm. But the political system is not set up for that. That's a major issue. But we're not here to talk politics, but discuss city development. Therefore it makes sense to integrate Copenhagen and Malmö into one forum.

@staff: You might be right. But someone has to say it. Eventually it will happen. The timing depends on when people want the future now. That starts with debate.

Hm, I'm going to finally offer an opinion as a foreigner in Sweden here. I'm sorry but I still like the concept of nation states rather than economics ruling the interactions between cultures. I still see Malmö as having its future attached firmly to Sweden and it's only because of geographical proximity to a much bigger city that there is economic integration between CPH and Malmö. Economically, perhaps, but politically and culturally, I would think not. I think Malmö benefits quite a lot from being part of Sweden on many levels and I for one am happy for it to stay that way. I wouldn't want the south of Sweden to simply turn into an extension of the Danish political system simply because there is more trade and both economies are more in synch due to proximity.

I don't see how the situation between Malmö and Copenhagen as a lot of border cities where a smaller city co-exists and relies economically on a power house across the border. The smaller city still maintains its own culture, politics and identity despite geographical proximity so I don't quite understand why this situation is the exception to this rule. Perhaps a local can enlighten me?

As far as the forum goes, logistically it is too difficult to have it so that the region becomes its own "country forum" almost as some propose here. It hasn't been done elsewhere and I'm sceptical about doing it here.

@Svartmetall: You're making it into a political problem by making it sound as if it there's a master plan of evil colonization at work. That's a total non-issue. The political issue is the lack of will to collaborate and plan accordingly on the interstate level. Look at how there is no talk of cooperating on high speed rail. The lines make sense if everybody does it, but it is very costly to be the lonely first mover. The cities of Malmö and Copenhagen do much better thankfully. But they do not command the resources necessary. We're in the same boat whether you like it or not. Even Copenhagen and Stockholm to some degree. Frenemies ;-)

Voted Yes.

Please keep in mind what staff highlighted. In my view, it's instrumental:

By the way, if Malmö gets its own subforum, make sure to call it Metropolitan Malmö as Lund and all other metro cities should be included as well. That way we can have separate threads for Lund's tram system and so on.

Hey guys, I have asked the Euroscrapers Admin to create a new sub-forum for Metropolitan Malmö (with that very title). Hopefully this will be done as soon as possible and I can start setting up threads in there.

Have fun with your new forum when it arrives! :)

^^ Thanks dude :cheers:

Awesome! :yes:

Thanks a lot Svartmetall-- you're now an official hero of the Malmö Forums. ;)

Congratulations,guys! :)

Very nice! Congrats!!

Rename this to an organizer-thread, perhaps?

I closed the poll, moved the Malmø-threads to this section and renamed all of them into PROJECT and DEVELOPMENT until you guys figure out how you want it.

Congratz to all forumers from Malmö! :cheers:

Who came up with this idea? It's just plain stupid. Are we gonna make sub-forums for kiruna, linköping, gävle etc as well. Stockholm is the capital and scadinavia's biggest city so of course it deserves its sub-forum. Malmö has a population 1/10 of stockholm so I really cant understand why they have got their own sub-forum.

That's mine opinion.

Who came up with this idea? It's just plain stupid. Are we gonna make sub-forums for kiruna, linköping, gävle etc as well. Stockholm is the capital and scadinavia's biggest city so of course it deserves its sub-forum. Malmö has a population 1/10 of stockholm so I really cant understand why they have got their own sub-forum.

That's mine opinion.

The size of the city doesn't really matter when we create city subforums. It all depend on the number of projects and developments in that city and how many forumers are actively contributing and discussing its projects. In most cases, when a city or geographical/political region with lots of project development and many forumers contributing, discussing and showing interest in projects in that city activity increases further and more members join as it becomes much easier to find the threads you are looking for and it opens up for more threads for projects that drown in massive threads. It all becomes better organized = much more fun to read and search through = a better reason for forumers to stay, discuss even more, or new forumers to join!

Who came up with this idea? It's just plain stupid. Are we gonna make sub-forums for kiruna, linköping, gävle etc as well. Stockholm is the capital and scadinavia's biggest city so of course it deserves its sub-forum. Malmö has a population 1/10 of stockholm so I really cant understand why they have got their own sub-forum.

That's mine opinion.

Malmö has a population of about 1/3 of Stockholm (regardless if you count city- or metropolitan population), Skane County is 70% the size of Stockholm Country and the Oresund metropolitan region is, obviously, quite a bit larger than anything else in Scandinavia.

Besides how does population matter when Malmo is one of the most active subforums in all of N&B? Using your logic no cities at all should have their own subforums because some of the worlds largest cities like Tokyo and Shanghai don't.

Stop being a hater...

I closed the poll, moved the Malmø-threads to this section and renamed all of them into PROJECT and DEVELOPMENT until you guys figure out how you want it.

Congratz to all forumers from Malmö! :cheers:
Thank you! :yes:

Could you please move all threads related to Lund to this subforum as well?

Who came up with this idea? It's just plain stupid. Are we gonna make sub-forums for kiruna, linköping, gävle etc as well. Stockholm is the capital and scadinavia's biggest city so of course it deserves its sub-forum. Malmö has a population 1/10 of stockholm so I really cant understand why they have got their own sub-forum.

That's mine opinion.

As it is with Stockholm now it really shouldn't have a sub forum at all, it is not very active is it? And this despite it being the largest city. Malmö is the part which is active, so god luck and congrats to Malmö!
I just hope it's not temporarily because in the past the activity level in the Malmö forum has come and gone quite much. I hope it stays really active because there is a lot of intersting stuff to read if posted about Malmö and the whole of 'Greater' Malmö!

:cheers: to Malmö!

Äntligen!:cheers:

Malmö has a population of about 1/3 of Stockholm (regardless if you count city- or metropolitan population), Skane County is 70% the size of Stockholm Country and the Oresund metropolitan region is, obviously, quite a bit larger than anything else in Scandinavia.

Besides how does population matter when Malmo is one of the most active subforums in all of N&B? Using your logic no cities at all should have their own subforums because some of the worlds largest cities like Tokyo and Shanghai don't.

Stop being a hater...

3-0!

+1

As it is with Stockholm now it really shouldn't have a sub forum at all, it is not very active is it? And this despite it being the largest city. Malmö is the part which is active, so god luck and congrats to Malmö!
I just hope it's not temporarily because in the past the activity level in the Malmö forum has come and gone quite much. I hope it stays really active because there is a lot of intersting stuff to read if posted about Malmö and the whole of 'Greater' Malmö!

:cheers: to Malmö!

Yes, Stockholm should have a sub-forum as it moved a lot of project threads to one area making it easier to see despite the lack of activity. It's the same with Malmö now.

I think Yimby has poached too many members from the Stockholm forum and your blog has taken over as far as project announcements go too so there is little interest in Stockholm on SSC other than what I and a couple of others can do in our spare time.

Still, congrats to Malmö! Also, thanks for moving the threads - when I checked yesterday the sub-forum was still not created!

Of course Stockholm should have a subforum. Just ignore the troll who initiated this "discussion" in the first place.

Svartmetall, would you be so kind to move all Lund related threads (should not be more than 2-4 of them) over to this section as well? Also quite a lot of thread titles need to be updated as heights have changed etc-- do you want me to send a PM with that info?

Yes, Stockholm should have a sub-forum as it moved a lot of project threads to one area making it easier to see despite the lack of activity. It's the same with Malmö now.

I think Yimby has poached too many members from the Stockholm forum and your blog has taken over as far as project announcements go too so there is little interest in Stockholm on SSC other than what I and a couple of others can do in our spare time.

Still, congrats to Malmö! Also, thanks for moving the threads - when I checked yesterday the sub-forum was still not created!

I don't think you understood what I ment or perhaps more likely i couldn't explain my self good enough! It wasn't that i don't think Stockholm shouldn't have one, it was an answer to Joney not thinking Malmö should have one, but I explained my self badly. I tried to draw some parallells that didn't work. Sorry aboout that! :)

Writing blogs and having sites like Yimby really shouldn't affect the activity in threads from the region here, they should and do compliment each other. Both Yimby Stockholm and most other blogs about projects in Stockholm are in swedish and aimed at the locals. And not as international as SSC.

The activity level sky rocketed in the Malmö threads as Yimby Malmö became active but I don't think that Yimby Malmö is a threath to the activity here, as shown the activity instead increased :) And I hope it's not just temporary. Yimby maybe feels more 'serious' if you like, in both a good and a bad way, while SSC feels more inviting for everyone and that is a big plus. And too finish I think both SSC and Yimby are great and read both everyday!

Again Congrats Malmö!

Of course Stockholm should have a subforum. Just ignore the troll who initiated this "discussion" in the first place.

Svartmetall, would you be so kind to move all Lund related threads (should not be more than 2-4 of them) over to this section as well? Also quite a lot of thread titles need to be updated as heights have changed etc-- do you want me to send a PM with that info?

Yeah, sure. It would be really great if you could message me the details on the threads you want renaming too as that would save me a load of searching. \

I have already asked for the forum to be renamed to Metropolitan Malmö rather than just Malmö too. :)

Of course Stockholm should have a subforum. Just ignore the troll who initiated this "discussion" in the first place.


I believe so too and since you mention Stockholm I hope this wasn't aimed at me? I just answered what Joney wrote.

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Don't worry, it was directed at Joney's statement.

Svartmetall,
I'll PM you soon!

staff
Regarding my idea about adding the architect to the thread title... It´ll take a little work from our (I can do it, probably not today however) side of course, but I´m asking now since you´re about to do a mass request and it seems to be hard to get the mods attention regarding individual title updates to threads.

Or was it not a good idea?

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Regarding my idea about adding the architect to the thread title... It´ll take a little work from our (I can do it, probably not today however) side of course, but I´m asking now since you´re about to do a mass request and it seems to be hard to get the mods attention regarding individual title updates to threads.

Or was it not a good idea?

No, as soon as someone tells me I'll update titles for you. All you need to do is PM me if you ever need anything and I'll respond within a day maximum (as I check several times daily). :)

Members must understand that we do this job for free and so sometimes need to be told to do something if we miss posts in the project threads. I also moderate two other sections on SSC aside from the N&B section so can't always read every post due to time constraints, though I try my best.

No, as soon as someone tells me I'll update titles for you. All you need to do is PM me if you ever need anything and I'll respond within a day maximum (as I check several times daily). :)

Also when sending PM's to mod's in N&B about thread title changes and things like that you can always send that pm to all of us ( Þróndeimr, moveteam, Svartmetall, Tin_Can ), so that the changes are done as soon as one of us does online. As Svartmetall points out, its hard for us to keep track in all the threads and project status/changes ourselves and we're depended on everyone's help to keep it all up to date! :)

^^ Point taken, and it was definitely not meant as criticism.

To be perfectly honest, until the discussion about a Malmö sub-forum started I wasn´t entirely sure who was moderating this area. So I´ll just go stand over there in the ignorant corner and look appropriately shameful :)

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To be perfectly honest, until the discussion about a Malmö sub-forum started I wasn´t entirely sure who was moderating this area. So I´ll just go stand over there in the ignorant corner and look appropriately shameful :)

I guess we mod's haven't really made it very clear either who do what, but all of us moderate all corners of N&B, though I have a special responsibility for Norway, Svartmetall for Sweden, moveteam for Denmark and Tin_Can for Estonia. So don't be ashamed that you didn't know! :D

Any suggestions on thread naming formats?

^^ maybe try to do them in Swedish instead of English?

I have already asked for the forum to be renamed to Metropolitan Malmö rather than just Malmö too. :)

Tbh,plain simple 'Malmö' sounds far better than 'Metropolitan Malmö'. :dunno:

I mean that it's natural that greater metro area urban neighbourhoods (villages,towns,cities etc) get included into specific city section and pointing it out in section's name,that this indeed includes those areas,is just nit-picking.

Simply just Malmø would do i think, its the same with Oslo as well, which includes all of Oslo and its metropolitan area.

Tbh,plain simple 'Malmö' sounds far better than 'Metropolitan Malmö'. :dunno:

I mean that it's natural that greater metro area urban neighbourhoods (villages,towns,cities etc) get included into specific city section and pointing it out in section's name,that this indeed includes those areas,is just nit-picking.

I think the reason that members wanted me to change the name to Metropolitan rather than just the city is that in Sweden there is a distinction between Malmö and Lund as far as cities go, however, both constitute Metropolitan Malmö. Lund is most definitely a city in its own right, but is so inextricably tied to Malmö that it should be grouped together for developments.

Stockholm doesn't need to be called Metropolitan Stockholm as it is assumed to be Stockholms län, which includes all surrounding towns and municipalities, whilst Malmö doesn't have its own län attributed to it and Lund is a significant chunk of the population of Malmö as a whole. Perhaps I'm wrong here and a local can correct me as to why they wanted me to call it Metropolitan. :)

Hmm,okay...but wouldn't 'Malmö & Lund' make more sense in that case?

Ah alright, i guess the forumers of Malmø should decide all this details! ;)

I vote for "Malmö", plain and simple. Lund is, according to SCB which define these regions, part of the greater Malmö area, thus it is included in the Malmö sub-forum.

"Metropolitan Malmö", I guess, would just raise a lot of unnecessary questions.

;90496823']I vote for "Malmö", plain and simple. Lund is, according to SCB which define these regions, part of the greater Malmö area, thus it is included in the Malmö sub-forum.

"Metropolitan Malmö", I guess, would just raise a lot of unnecessary questions.

Well, I'll let you guys argue it out. Staff and BrenC were the ones who wanted it called Metropolitan.

Let me know what you want. I'll stop Matthieu from changing the name.

I think the reason that members wanted me to change the name to Metropolitan rather than just the city is that in Sweden there is a distinction between Malmö and Lund as far as cities go, however, both constitute Metropolitan Malmö. Lund is most definitely a city in its own right, but is so inextricably tied to Malmö that it should be grouped together for developments.

Stockholm doesn't need to be called Metropolitan Stockholm as it is assumed to be Stockholms län, which includes all surrounding towns and municipalities, whilst Malmö doesn't have its own län attributed to it and Lund is a significant chunk of the population of Malmö as a whole. Perhaps I'm wrong here and a local can correct me as to why they wanted me to call it Metropolitan. :)
This is exactly my reasoning, but I'm fine with it being called simply "Malmö".

Great to see the Malmö subforum up and running, I look forward to follow it. Not least the new threads it will generate.:)

I think it is a bit of a shame that a solution which included Helsingborg wasn't opted for. it is still Malmöhus län afterall.

All the same, shouldn't the Öresund sticky be moved here - even if all of Scania isn't included. The thread is also located within the Copenhagen subforum even though most of the Danish side of the region is located outside Copenhagen Metro and belongs to the main Denmark section. I think it is more likely to be people from Copemhagen and Malmö than, say, from Næstved and Kristianstad who will take an interest in it.

Yep, and the Öresund Airports Thread should be accessible from this forum as well, since all developments at Malmö Airport (let alone CPH Airport) go in that thread.

And you're right Ramblersen, Helsingborg is part of Malmöhus. There are so many metropolitan, policial and geographical definitions in the Malmö region that's it becomes confusing to determine what to include. Malmöhus is quite fragmented and while Malmö is by far the dominant city in most measures, Lund (also being a major education and science centre) and Helsingborg are fairly large cities on their own by Scandinavian standards as well. Lund is officially part of Metro Malmö so there's not really any question about including this city, but for Helsingborg I am not sure. I guess it would be up to the Helsingborg forumers to determine whether they want to stay in the Sweden forum or if they would rather be in the Malmö section.

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Yeah I realize that Helsingborg is not a part of Malmö as such. My point about Malmöhus was merely to justify its inclusion without having to change the title (vis-à-vis Bosco's very relevant point about Stockholm Län). And my opinion was mainly based on pragmatics - it would be nice to have the entire Swedish section of the "Loop City" together now that we didn't go with the ^resund forum. And that it is one of the towns I have a special interest in following.

But having little knowledge of Swedish local politics and intra-Scanian rivalry, I don't hope I stepped on any toes. you are quite right that it must be up to the Helsingborgers of course.:)

Great to see the Malmö subforum up and running, I look forward to follow it. Not least the new threads it will generate.:)

I think it is a bit of a shame that a solution which included Helsingborg wasn't opted for. it is still Malmöhus län afterall.
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Malmöhus län stoped to exist on the 31st of december, 1996! It has been Skåne län since januari 1st, 1997.

But why not include all of Skåne? Or if it's too large go for the old Malmöhus Län anyway, even though it doesn't exist anymore? Helsingborg should be apart of it just like ramlersen says. So many interesting projects are going on in Helsingborg, and really cool projects at early stages now will start to develope further! :)

How it used to be before 1997::

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/6540/oldprovincesscania.png

Skåne län:

http://imageshack.us/a/img528/8672/sknecounty.png

Aren´t we getting a little "off-topic" now? Include all of Skåne, or Malmöhus, seems a stretch to me in a Malmö sub-forum context.

This is Stormalmö.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Stormalm%C3%B6.PNG

Malmöhus län stoped to exist on the 31st of december, 1996! It has been Skåne län since januari 1st, 1997.


Just see how little I know, thansk for enlightening me.:)

It was not to start some major disvussion, I am sure it will work well the wai it is now. I just think it splits up an area which seems quite interconnected.

;90511093']Aren´t we getting a little "off-topic" now? Include all of Skåne, or Malmöhus, seems a stretch to me in a Malmö sub-forum context.

This is Stormalmö.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Stormalm%C3%B6.PNG

Yes it is large to go for Malmöhus or Skåne, but on the other hand hardly nothing is written about the rest of Skåne, but as you say it is steretching it.

On the other hand:

Helsingborg and Landskrona are included on the first page of the Malmö Developement| Projects & construction thread.

MALMÖ LUND HELSINGBORG TRELLEBORG LANDSKRONA VELLINGE ESLÖV KÄVLINGE STAFFANSTORP LOMMA SVEDALA BURLÖV HÖÖR SKURUP

First page (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=455712)

I moved the sticky for projects for the region to the sub-forum and left a perm redirect in the main Sweden page. :)

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Is it possible to have those two threads cross-linked as actual threads in this forum as well? As it is now, that sticky with two links inside it aren't really useful, as there is no way of telling if those threads have been updated or not.

Sorry, but I can't let go of the name discussion just yet :) I still think it would be a good idea to give the subforum a name that clearly indicates to new forumers that it contains threads for the whole metropolitan area, including Lund.

As the discussions over the last two pages show: "Stormalmö" is not by far an established expression in Sweden to the same extent as "Storstockholm" is. Stockholm is much more dominant in its' region than Malmö is. One explanation is of course the size of Lund (approx. 1/3 of Malmö). If the same size relations would exist in the Stockholm region it would mean that there would be a city/municipality within Storstockholm with a population of almost 300.000, i.e. one "Malmö"(!) right next to Stockholm... (Perhaps the Stockholm subforum wouldn't be called just "Stockholm" then...)

With that in mind I would go for a name that clearly states for everyone, especially new forumers, that this is a forum not only for the City of Malmö but for the whole metropolitan area. If it was up to me, I would call it Metropolitan Malmö or maybe Malmö-Lund metropolitan area

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Is it possible to have those two threads cross-linked as actual threads in this forum as well? As it is now, that sticky with two links inside it aren't really useful, as there is no way of telling if those threads have been updated or not.

Unfortunately not. That's beyond the capabilities of the forum. I am just going through your PM now and renaming threads too. :)

Sorry, but I can't let go of the name discussion just yet I still think it would be a good idea to give the subforum a name that clearly indicates to new forumers that it contains threads for the whole metropolitan area, including Lund.

As the discussions over the last two pages show: "Stormalmö" is not by far an established expression in Sweden to the same extent as "Storstockholm" is. Stockholm is much more dominant in its' region than Malmö is. One explanation is of course the size of Lund (approx. 1/3 of Malmö). If the same size relations would exist in the Stockholm region it would mean that there would be a city/municipality within Storstockholm with a population of almost 300.000, i.e. one "Malmö"(!) right next to Stockholm... (Perhaps the Stockholm subforum wouldn't be called just "Stockholm" then...)

With that in mind I would go for a name that clearly states for everyone, especially new forumers, that this is a forum not only for the City of Malmö but for the whole metropolitan area. If it was up to me, I would call it Metropolitan Malmö or maybe Malmö-Lund metropolitan area

"Malmö-Lund" wouldn't reflect the contents of the sub-forum very well, there's what... two Lund threads? Even if that figure were to increase somewhat the ratio Malmö to Lund threads still wouldn't motivate Lund's name in the title imo.

My vote goes to "Malmö", plain and simple, or "Greater Malmö area". You´re right in that the term isn't as established as the Sthlm dito, but it exists as an officially defined area and is easily understood. That you can´t name every municipality in it shouldn't matter, few people can with Greater Sthlm (outside of Sthlm anyway ;) ).

:banana: Simply WOW Malmö, great job, great active forumers - something that the threads of Stockholm and Copenhagen could learn plenty of. :banana:

I have a request, and since I think that this thread is active - I'll post it here: Anyone got or know where I can find a picture of all Malmö icons put together? Like this image with Brooklyn bridge and ESB:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2aj9yso.png

TT and the bridge are musts! But the Kockums would also do good, since it was a big part of the city.

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http://www.oresundsregionen.se/images/header/stad.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4375748382_0386c3fdaa_o.jpg



...or were you looking for photos?

:banana: Simply WOW Malmö, great job, great active forumers - something that the threads of Stockholm and Copenhagen could learn plenty of. :banana:

lol relax Hafnia... :lol:

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http://www.oresundsregionen.se/images/header/stad.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4375748382_0386c3fdaa_o.jpg



...or were you looking for photos?

Looking good staff, the first picture was great but only if TT also was in it, hate that I suck at doing shit on photoshop. Well I'll try to mix it up!
TT, the bridge and also watertower are mandatory, but I'll try to get kockums and St: Petri too.

Congrats Malmö! The new section looks great.

I have been in China for the past weeks, so have, sadly, missed the exciting discussions completely. For now, I agree with the general consensus that the CPH and Malmö sections should stay in their respective country sections.

But with time it could make even more sense - if/when Malmö just is a another stop on the Copenhagen Metro, when the region's population reaches 4 million inhabitants or when the Loop City vision gets a bit more tangible.

'Loop' could even be a great name for a new section, but Copenhagen is still the capital of an entire country (kingdom, if you want to include Greenland and the Faroes :D), not just of a region.

But it's a beautiful idea visualised by a magnificent bridge - you can't ask for a better starting point. After all, Scania has a lot of historical ties with Copenhagen/Denmark.