According to the news on Phnom Penh Post, Cambodia will plan to build a tunnel below the river. Do you think if it is feasible?

It's feasible but needs lots of $$$. Below which river, can you paste the article here ?

It's feasible but needs lots of $$$. Below which river, can you paste the article here ?

Online phnom penh post will be late in this afternoon. I just read its newspaper only. I will post it when it releases online

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Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:01
Joseph Freeman

ភ្នំពេញៈ ការកកស្ទះ​ចរាចរណ៍​កាន់តែ​ច្រើនឡើងៗ នៅតាម​ដងផ្លូវ និង​មហាវិថី​នានា នៃ​រាជធានី​ភ្នំពេញ អាចនាំឲ្យ​អ្នករៀបចំ​ផែនការ​ដឹកជញ្ជូន ចង់កសាងផ្លូវ​នៅក្រោម​ទន្លេសាប​។ នេះបើយោងតាម​សេចក្តី​ថ្លែងការណ៍​ផ្លូវការ​មួយនៅ​សប្តាហ៍នេះ​។

សេចក្តី​ប្រកាស ដែលត្រូវបាន​គេចាត់ទុកថា ជា​របស់​មន្រ្តី​មូលដ្ឋានម្នាក់ ដែល​សុំ​មិន​បញ្ចេញ​ឈ្មោះនេះ ត្រូវបាន​គេ​បង្ហោះ​កាលពី​ថ្ងៃ​ពុធ នៅលើ​គេហទំព័រ​របស់​សាលា​រាជធានី​ភ្នំពេញ​។

សេចក្តី​ប្រកាសនេះ​បានសរសេរ​បន្តទៀត​ថា​៖ «​កំណើន​សេដ្ឋកិច្ច​ឆាប់រហ័ស របស់​កម្ពុជា បានធ្វើឲ្យ​រាជធានី​ភ្នំពេញ​មមាញឹក​ជាងមុន​។ រាជធានី​នៅពេល​បច្ចុប្បន្ននេះ មាន​ប្រជាជន​ជិត ២លាន​នាក់​។ បញ្ហា​ចរាចរណ៍ កំពុងតែ​ស្មុគស្មាញ​»​។

ខណៈ​ដែលមិនមាន​ការរៀបរាប់​លម្អិត​បន្ថែមទៀត លើការកំណត់​ការសាងសង់ ឬ​កម្រិត​នៃ​ការគូរប្លង់ ផ្លូវ​ក្រោមដី ដែល​ពុំធ្លាប់​មាននៅ​កម្ពុជា​នោះ គំនិតនេះ បានកើតមាន បន្ទាប់ពី​ផ្លូវចូល​ក្រុងផ្សេងៗទៀត ព្យាយាម​កាត់បន្ថយការ​កកស្ទះ​ចរាចរណ៍​តាមរយៈ​ការកសាង​ស្ពាន​អាកាស​។

កាលពី​ចុងខែ​មេសា គណៈ​ប្រតិភូ​រាជធានី​ភ្នំពេញ​មួយក្រុម បាន​ធ្វើដំណើរ​ទៅប្រទេស​វៀតណាម ហើយ​បាន​មើលផ្លូវក្រោមដី ដែលមាន ៦ ខ្សែ កាត់ពី​ក្រោមទន្លេសាយហ្គន ក្នុង​ទីក្រុងហូជីមិញ​។

ប្រធាន​មន្ទីរ​សាធារណៈ រាជធានី​ភ្នំពេញ លោក សំ ពិសិដ្ឋ បានថ្លែង​នៅពេលនោះថា ផ្លូវក្រោម​ទន្លេសាប នៅរាជធានី​ភ្នំពេញ អាចជា​ផ្លូវ​មួយ​ទៀត ដើម្បីកាត់បន្ថយ​ការកកស្ទះ​ចរាចរណ៍​។

រាជធានី​ភ្នំពេញ​បច្ចុប្បន្ន មានស្ពាន​អាកាស​ចំនួន​ពីរ មួយ​នៅក្បាលថ្នល់ ស្ថិតក្នុង​ខណ្ឌ​មានជ័យ និង​មួយទៀត​នៅក្បែរ​មន្ទីរពេទ្យ​លោក សង្ឃ ស្ថិតក្នុង​ខណ្ឌ​ទួលគោក ដែល​ស្ពានអាកាស​ទាំងពីរនេះ បានជួយកាត់​បន្ថយ​ស្ទើរតែ​ទាំងស្រុង នូវការកកស្ទះ​ចរាចរណ៍ ដែល​តែងតែ​កកស្ទះ​ជាប្រចាំ​នៅក្នុង​តំបន់​ទាំងពីរនេះ​។ សាលា​រាជធានី ក៏មាន​គម្រោងសាងសង់​ស្ពានអាកាស​បន្ថែមទៀត នៅតាមផ្លូវ​បំបែក​មួយចំនួនផងដែរ​៕

we dont we invest in more in securities and have university branches in every province rather than having these projects that look good on the outside

a tunnel to Arey Khsat is better

a tunnel to Arey Khsat is better

I agreed with you... Its suppose to build for p-penh-Arey Khsat.
The 2nd Chroy Chong Va bridge is under construction....
But its can be possible also if (Sok Kong) want his new sokha hotel more closer... That's why our p-penh governor visited Saigon.... Who know its maybe sponsor by Sok Kong.

I can't say if it will be build, but it is a good infrastructure project to connect the east to the west and open the possibility to develop the east side of the lake.

Certainly better then the stupid 555m idea.

I don't have a English version, but this is what I read
http://cambodia.sinchew-i.com/node/26323?tid=5


洞里薩河底闢隧道．可緩解交通堵塞

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2012-05-07 15:17

（柬埔寨．金邊）金邊市府計劃模仿胡志明市，建設一條橫穿洞里薩河的河底隧道。

一名金邊市府官員透露，為了緩解當前市內的交通問題，市府正計劃興建一條河底隧道。

他說，在位於棉芷區的第三座天橋和第一條地下隧道完工後，金邊市府將繼續開通我國歷史上第一條河底隧道，橫穿洞里薩河河底，以接連金邊市至水淨華東岸地帶。

他還說，針對興建河底隧道計劃，市長高竹德瑪上個月還率領技術代表團前往胡志明市，參觀當地橫穿西貢河河底的隧道。

他說，市長高竹德瑪希望金邊也能擁有一條河底隧道，以緩解金邊市交通阻塞問題。

他說，隨著國家經濟不斷往前發展，人民越來越富裕，交通阻塞問題也越來越嚴重，所以，金邊市府不斷的尋求解決對策。

據了解，越南第一條河底隧道是東南亞地區規模最大的跨河隧道，橫穿西貢河河底，隧道總長為1千490米，寬33.3米，總投資額為7千806萬美元。（柬埔寨星洲日報）

The article say it is trying to do what HCN did, a tunnel 1490m, 33.3m wide, and cost 78 millions.

But it did not say how long our propose bridge is going to be.

78 million sounds too cheap, if mekong bridge costs 300-400 millions
:sly:

It does sounds cheap, consider the 2nd Chroy Changvar Bridge cost $28m.

This is the thread for the Vietnam tunnel, but is all in Vietnamese

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1459786

This is the thread for the Vietnam tunnel, but is all in Vietnamese

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1459786

Thu Thiem Tunnel is the most important section of the East-West highway project in HCMC. Built at a total cost of US$189 million provided by Japanese ODA, it has been constructed by a consortium of four Japanese contractors: Obayashi Corporation, Taisei Corporation, Kumagai-Kajima consortium and Toa Corporation.

http://www.qdnd.vn/qdndsite/en-us/75/72/182/155/160/167411/Default.aspx

how can Tonle Sap River tunnel cheaper than thu thiem tunnel?

I don't think this project will happen in at least 10 years.

Thu Thiem Tunnel is built after Ho Chi Minh City has developed the most modern boulevard - Vo Van Kiet Boulevard ( East- West Highway ). I don't think Phnom Penh will have a tunnel until the city's road system gets more developed.

Anyway, ThuThiem Tunnel is longer than this project. ThuThiem is a 2250m ( longest in SEAsia) so it's definitely more expensive.

http://www.qdnd.vn/qdndsite/en-us/75/72/182/155/160/167411/Default.aspx

how can Tonle Sap River tunnel cheaper than thu thiem tunnel?

What makes you think Tonle Sap River tunnel is cheaper? No one has gave a price tag yet?

I don't think this project will happen in at least 10 years.

Anyway, ThuThiem Tunnel is longer than this project. ThuThiem is a 2250m ( longest in SEAsia) so it's definitely more expensive.

How long is this project?

How long is this project?

According to the speech of Governor on Bayon TV, this project is feasible but not now, we wait sometimes in future

I don't think this project will happen in at least 10 years.

Thu Thiem Tunnel is built after Ho Chi Minh City has developed the most modern boulevard - Vo Van Kiet Boulevard ( East- West Highway ). I don't think Phnom Penh will have a tunnel until the city's road system gets more developed.

I don't think so, p-penh is very different with VN cities.
Cambodian never expected that we can have overpass anytime soon but now we got 2 and more will come...

Why need to wait until boulevard upgraded to modern or only modern cars only are allowed to use that boulevard?

What our governor plan to do, and doing is to solved the traffic problem, easy and fast.

According to the speech of Governor on Bayon TV, this project is feasible but not now, we wait sometimes in future

I mean how long is this tunnel.

I don't think so, p-penh is very different with VN cities.
Cambodian never expected that we can have overpass anytime soon but now we got 2 and more will come...



If it wasn't for the deal between OCIC and the government about Diamond Island, this 2 bridge will probably not happen.

I don't think so, p-penh is very different with VN cities.
Cambodian never expected that we can have overpass anytime soon but now we got 2 and more will come...

Why need to wait until boulevard upgraded to modern or only modern cars only are allowed to use that boulevard?

What our governor plan to do, and doing is to solved the traffic problem, easy and fast.

Dude, seriously don't tell me that you want a super modern tunnel to connect with a tiny dirty street ! You have to have a nice modern boulevard to lead to the tunnel !


And as I remember Phnom Penh only has overpasses for pedestrians, not for vehicles.

Dude, seriously don't tell me that you want a super modern tunnel to connect with a tiny dirty street ! You have to have a nice modern boulevard to lead to the tunnel !

And as I remember Phnom Penh only has overpasses for pedestrians, not for vehicles.

pp has only overpasses for vehicles,not for pedestrians!check "Infrastructure & Tourism".

pp has only overpasses for vehicles,not for pedestrians!check "Infrastructure & Tourism".

Oh I see, a nice little bridge, I don't know why they call it an overpass.
Anyway, it doesn't prove anything.
Even in the state of overpasses, that little Pet Lork Sang thing is kind of the simplest and easiest to be built.
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l521/sopheaktr/sky-over-bridge-7-makara-132575965440128.jpg
Check out other countries overpasses and see the different.

the simplest and easiest overpass is the steel-made overpass,i saw many big cities in the world build this kind of overpass to solve traffic congestion,although steel-made overpass has shorter life span(about 15 years) than real overpass,but it provide effective as real overpass...why not?...easy to build,to remove,more cheaper than real overpass...i think soon PP goverment will think about this solution! :)

Dude, seriously don't tell me that you want a super modern tunnel to connect with a tiny dirty street ! You have to have a nice modern boulevard to lead to the tunnel !
Yes, everyone know VN has a worse traffic problem then Cambodia. and you need that blvd.

And as I remember Phnom Penh only has overpasses for pedestrians, not for vehicles.

I actually not aware of any pedestrians bridges.

Oh I see, a nice little bridge, I don't know why they call it an overpass.
Anyway, it doesn't prove anything.
Even in the state of overpasses, that little Pet Lork Sang thing is kind of the simplest and easiest to be built.

It does its job. What are you complaining about.

Check out other countries overpasses and see the different.

like this one...

http://i.dtinews.vn/images/editor/images/thaonguyen/42012/26/Big/IMG4181_7b886.JPG
http://i.dtinews.vn/images/editor/images/thaonguyen/42012/26/Big/IMG4212_5536f.JPG
http://i.dtinews.vn/images/editor/images/thaonguyen/42012/26/Big/IMG4221_d3a2a.JPG

like this one...

http://i.dtinews.vn/images/editor/images/thaonguyen/42012/26/Big/IMG4181_7b886.JPG

http://i.dtinews.vn/images/editor/images/thaonguyen/42012/26/Big/IMG4212_5536f.JPG

http://i.dtinews.vn/images/editor/images/thaonguyen/42012/26/Big/IMG4221_d3a2a.JPG

lol this mini bridge is just a steel overpass. Its construction took only 3 months to be finished.

however, dont care about lamdai. He, and MYPHNOMPENH.. they are both way too.. aggressive :lol:

like this one...



No, like this one dear !
http://vnexpress.net/Files/Subject/3b/bd/09/aa/DSC_0565_r.JPG
http://www.dongtien.vn/uploads/sanpham/12241677181-Nut%20thuduc%20b.jpg


lol this mini bridge is just a steel overpass. Its construction took only 3 months to be finished.

however, dont care about lamdai. He, and MYPHNOMPENH.. they are both way too.. aggressive :lol:

LOL, I just give my opinion. I think Cambodian people took my idea way too serious ! I say, let's keep your vision realistic, don't dream too far away, don't skip any steps or you will stumble.

You want to solve traffic problem by building a tunnel ? I'm sorry, start with your roads first !

No, like this one dear !
http://vnexpress.net/Files/Subject/3b/bd/09/aa/DSC_0565_r.JPG
http://www.dongtien.vn/uploads/sanpham/12241677181-Nut%20thuduc%20b.jpg



You can't build something this scale in the middle of the city, and certainly we don't need something like that to solve traffic problem of the Pet Lork Sang intersection.

The one we have is a reasonably good design consider it doesn't need to demolish any buildings.

LOL, I just give my opinion. I think Cambodian people took my idea way too serious ! you have a problem with a little overpass, when vietnam has overpass that is smaller.

I say, let's keep your vision realistic, don't dream too far away, don't skip any steps or you will stumble.

You want to solve traffic problem by building a tunnel ? I'm sorry, start with your roads first !

I don't think it is too early to think about this, PP (and any other city) need to have a long term vision, there are dozen of traffic issues around, and we need to tackle many at a time.

Of course, a tunnel is useless unless the road that lead to it function correctly, but that can be implement concurrently.

I mean how long is this tunnel.

1490m long and 33.3m wide

1490m long and 33.3m wide

that was the vietnam tunnel,i believe the figure of our proposed tunnel is not avaliable.

that was the vietnam tunnel,i believe the figure of our proposed tunnel is not avaliable.

No Vietnam tunnel is 2250m

I can't say if it will be build, but it is a good infrastructure project to connect the east to the west and open the possibility to develop the east side of the lake.

Certainly better then the stupid 555m idea.

^^How about we have the 555m and this tunnel! :cheers:

No Vietnam tunnel is 2250m

I based those on the chinese articles I read.

the thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1459786

also mentioned the two value

Hầm dìm Thủ Thiêm dài 2.250m, trong đó chiều dài hầm là 1.490m bao gồm 371m hầm dìm. Tiêu chuẩn đường cấp I. Vận tốc thiết kế 60km/h. Mặt cắt ngang dạng hộp đôi rộng 33,3m, mỗi hộp là 1 chiều xe phân làm 3 làn xe và 1 lối thoát hiểm.


But I can't read Vietnamese, can you tell me what is 1490m?

im sick of LamDai, don't even bother to argue with him, he's a troll

I based those on the chinese articles I read.

the thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1459786

also mentioned the two value

Hầm dìm Thủ Thiêm dài 2.250m, trong đó chiều dài hầm là 1.490m bao gồm 371m hầm dìm. Tiêu chuẩn đường cấp I. Vận tốc thiết kế 60km/h. Mặt cắt ngang dạng hộp đôi rộng 33,3m, mỗi hộp là 1 chiều xe phân làm 3 làn xe và 1 lối thoát hiểm.


But I can't read Vietnamese, can you tell me what is 1490m?

length isn't a matter...Lamdai! the important matter is how it's effective..ok,thu thiem tunnel work great,make whole thu thiem area develop fastly

the total length is 2.250m,but main length of the tunnel is only 1,490m....this is true

Thu Thiem Tunnel running under the Sai Gon River is 1,490m long and 33m wide with 6 lanes and has two doors for getting out of danger. It is the most important section of the East-West Highway.
The highway was built with total capital of 16,000 billion VND (762 million USD), of which 65% came from the Japanese Government’s ODA and 35% came from the city’s budget.
http://solvaymarketing.com.vn/chi-tiet-y-tuong-marketing/63/thu-thiem-tunnel-.html

oh right! back to topic!

You can't build something this scale in the middle of the city, and certainly we don't need something like that to solve traffic problem of the Pet Lork Sang intersection.

The one we have is a reasonably good design consider it doesn't need to demolish any buildings.

you have a problem with a little overpass, when vietnam has overpass that is smaller.



I don't think it is too early to think about this, PP (and any other city) need to have a long term vision, there are dozen of traffic issues around, and we need to tackle many at a time.

Of course, a tunnel is useless unless the road that lead to it function correctly, but that can be implement concurrently.

actually we would build it, but then there is no space to build so thats why no one proposed it

mrfusion, you can read Chinese, that 's amazing!!

actually we would build it, but then there is no space to build so thats why no one proposed it

there is no space, thats why I said we cant do it.

mrfusion, you can read Chinese, that 's amazing!!

what is so amazing about been able to read chinese

I am not sure Cambodia can do it, because ho chi minh city is a rich city and the economic situation also better than PP, so PP can't do it at all.

length isn't a matter...Lamdai! the important matter is how it's effective..ok,thu thiem tunnel work great,make whole thu thiem area develop fastly

the total length is 2.250m,but main length of the tunnel is only 1,490m....this is true


http://solvaymarketing.com.vn/chi-tiet-y-tuong-marketing/63/thu-thiem-tunnel-.html

oh right! back to topic!

We are on the topic dude. When did I say that length is the matter ?

im sick of LamDai, don't even bother to argue with him, he's a troll

haha, this guy is funny ! What are you so afraid of to tell the truth ? I just spit out my opinion.
The topic starter asked "Do you believe that Cambodia will build tunnel below Tonle Sap River?"
I answer: "No I don't"
And you guys call me a troller ! LOL I think people have mental problem ! Seriously !

^^How about we have the 555m and this tunnel! :cheers:

Why stop there, how about a tunnel to Yunnan.

there is no space, thats why I said we cant do it.

I think build a bridge should need more bigger space...

If so I think they can build it from west side at the current night market, the east side (Chroy changva) is still ok because not much big house or building there yet.

I think p-penh government already learned from some mistakes (too late) to developing...

Not easy to doing eviction peoples from place to place with low compensation... Cambodia many NGOs are helping people to fight for human right, right for..etc different with some neighbouring countries.

Totally its still better since p-penh not so crowded these day,, and better build the tunnel or what ever... don't wait until thing become worse..

Yes the big problem is moneys.... but hopefully, any investors will invest with p-penh government... any ways also good even if (BOT).

I am not sure Cambodia can do it, because ho chi minh city is a rich city and the economic situation also better than PP, so PP can't do it at all.

Without foreign money, the Japanese goverment for example, the rich Saigon would not be able to pay for its tunnel. So, nothing is so special about it. PP can do same with money from out side. It is just matter of time and whether or not it is the best choice to it.

haha, this guy is funny ! What are you so afraid of to tell the truth ? I just spit out my opinion.
The topic starter asked "Do you believe that Cambodia will build tunnel below Tonle Sap River?"
I answer: "No I don't"
And you guys call me a troller ! LOL I think people have mental problem ! Seriously !

Yes, you do believe it in the next ten years at least. Isn't not what you said? What is your real answer? You don't believe That Cambodia is not building the tunnel now or will never build one?

You seem to compare Saigon and PP regarding this matter. Saigon builds the tunnel because it has has money from the Japanese, who think it would benefit their business. All PP needs is the same thing - money and interest from investors.

By the way, people here include "you".

Yes, you do believe it in the next ten years at least. Isn't not what you said? What is your real answer? You don't believe That Cambodia is not building the tunnel now or will never build one?

You seem to compare Saigon and PP regarding this matter. Saigon builds the tunnel because it has has money from the Japanese, who think it would benefit their business. All PP needs is the same thing - money and interest from investors.

By the way, people here include "you".

Please read my comment

I don't think this project will happen in at least 10 years.


That's my answer for the topic question. Isn't it clear enough ? Once again you're trying to interpret my words into comparison. Fine ! I know you're afraid of comparison between PP and Saigon. And I didn't mention a word about that, you guys brought this up all by yourself.

Or do you Cambodian members wants to hear some sweet things like this :" Oh, I do belive Cambodia will build a tunnel soon. PP is such a wonderful city and nothing she can't do. Maybe in a few more years, PP will have monorail and even subway !"
If you want to hear those comments I can make a hell lot of them for you.

By the way, this topic is bullshit because all you want to hear is : "PP will definitely have the tunnel !" Then hell, why did you waste time creating this thread ?

P/S: You guys always said that Vietnam have the tunnel while Cambodia doesn't just because Japan give Vietnam money to build this or that.
Please, don't you know the meaning of ODA ? You guys should ask yourself why Japan gives ODA to Vietnam not Cambodia ? Maybe you don't have enough conditions. Or the Japanese government see nothing in Cambodia future. ( No offend ). Just look at your attitude of facing things, you're so insecure.

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I don't can even imagine that they would build a tunnel thru the Tonle Sap o.O
this Sound realy ridicoulous

From what i have seen, Whatever projects that governor announced it's already built or under construction. I am sure they will build the tunnel in the future. My guess they will not build tunnel to Arei Kshat because it is about 3km from city to there.

Building a tunnel below the river costs much more money than building a bridge over it.

Please read my comment

That's my answer for the topic question. Isn't it clear enough ? Once again you're trying to interpret my words into comparison. Fine ! I know you're afraid of comparison between PP and Saigon. And I didn't mention a word about that, you guys brought this up all by yourself.

Or do you Cambodian members wants to hear some sweet things like this :" Oh, I do belive Cambodia will build a tunnel soon. PP is such a wonderful city and nothing she can't do. Maybe in a few more years, PP will have monorail and even subway !"
If you want to hear those comments I can make a hell lot of them for you.

By the way, this topic is bullshit because all you want to hear is : "PP will definitely have the tunnel !" Then hell, why did you waste time creating this thread ?

P/S: You guys always said that Vietnam have the tunnel while Cambodia doesn't just because Japan give Vietnam money to build this or that.
Please, don't you know the meaning of ODA ? You guys should ask yourself why Japan gives ODA to Vietnam not Cambodia ? Maybe you don't have enough conditions. Or the Japanese government see nothing in Cambodia future. ( No offend ). Just look at your attitude of facing things, you're so insecure.

Did you not say "I answer: No I don't" later ? So, I find that you are kind of flip flopping around answer. I don't believe in comparing cities just by looking at the physical appearances. So, I have no reason to be afraid of whatever you are meaninglessly comparing.

You had meant that PP would get tunnel after 10 years or so; unless I am not clear of what you said. By the way, I am glad for Vietnamese that Japan sees things more in Vietnam that Cambodia lacks off. In their views, they can make more money in Vietnam, in where they are fighting with others, particularly China, for bigger market share. Whatever reason that they do not give ODA to Cambodia, it is not my concern because I am not a Cambodian citizen. Maybe Cambodia is too small in term of market share for them is one of the reasons. If you think that you know the meaning of ODA more than anyone here, would you care to explain? Also, I may have missed something, but I hardly see people here "always say" that Vietnam bla bla bla like you have said.

However, if they don't really see anything in Cambodia, they would hepl her build a few bridges, and sea port and other things, even the amount is as small as it might be. What made you think that I am so insecured? What made you think people here have problem? What made you think that you are the only one that does not have problem?

Dude, seriously don't tell me that you want a super modern tunnel to connect with a tiny dirty street ! You have to have a nice modern boulevard to lead to the tunnel !

And as I remember Phnom Penh only has overpasses for pedestrians, not for vehicles.

Have you been to PP yet to conclude such thing?

Oh I see, a nice little bridge, I don't know why they call it an overpass.
Anyway, it doesn't prove anything.
Even in the state of overpasses, that little Pet Lork Sang thing is kind of the simplest and easiest to be built.

Check out other countries overpasses and see the different.

It is still an overpass. Don't tell me you don't see cars are driven on it. And don't tell me that you don't know what overpass means and for.

Did you not say "I answer: No I don't" later ? So, I find that you are kind of flip flopping around answer. I don't believe in comparing cities just by looking at the physical appearances. So, I have no reason to be afraid of whatever you are meaninglessly comparing.

You had meant that PP would get tunnel after 10 years or so; unless I am not clear of what you said. By the way, I am glad for Vietnamese that Japan sees things more in Vietnam that Cambodia lacks off. In their views, they can make more money in Vietnam, in where they are fighting with others, particularly China, for bigger market share. Whatever reason that they do not give ODA to Cambodia, it is not my concern because I am not a Cambodian citizen. Maybe Cambodia is too small in term of market share for them is one of the reasons. If you think that you know the meaning of ODA more than anyone here, would you care to explain? Also, I may have missed something, but I hardly see people here "always say" that Vietnam bla bla bla like you have said.

However, if they don't really see anything in Cambodia, they would hepl her build a few bridges, and sea port and other things, even the amount is as small as it might be. What made you think that I am so insecured? What made you think people here have problem? What made you think that you are the only one that does not have problem?

I'm too lazy to read your comment. What do you want ?

I'm too lazy to read your comment. What do you want ?

You ask people to read your comment, then refuse to read the response. :ohno:

I see a little arguement at the first few quote, haha. Modern or what has no difference, but people are having happiness with peace and relax is enough though. We are the same and equal, we don't look down each other. We are just different, and perhaps you are luckier; that's all. I am Cambodian, I am just proud to have such small overpass which you don't call it an overpass; because 10 years after civil war, you really can't do anything to change one country. It needs time. Hope my baby-boom-generation would change those!!

Please, don't you know the meaning of ODA ? You guys should ask yourself why Japan gives ODA to Vietnam not Cambodia ? Maybe you don't have enough conditions. Or the Japanese government see nothing in Cambodia future. ( No offend ). Just look at your attitude of facing things, you're so insecure.

I am confuse, Japanese does help Cambodia, I think the Neak Leung Bridge was form Japanese money, or did that stopped already?

I am confuse, Japanese does help Cambodia, I think the Neak Leung Bridge was form Japanese money, or did that stopped already?

The Japanese-donated bridge is still being constructed at Neak Loeung. It cost more than $180 million and will finished by 2015.

The Japanese-donated bridge is still being constructed at Neak Loeung. It cost more than $180 million and will finished by 2015.

That is what I mean, Japanese does assist Cambodia, but different type construction.

Dude, seriously don't tell me that you want a super modern tunnel to connect with a tiny dirty street ! You have to have a nice modern boulevard to lead to the tunnel !


And as I remember Phnom Penh only has overpasses for pedestrians, not for vehicles.

That's right, to build a tunnel, first we need is a wide boulevard

That's right, to build a tunnel, first we need is a wide boulevard

Isn't that part of the project if they decide to build it?

That's right, to build a tunnel, first we need is a wide boulevard

Why is the prerequsiter for building a tunnel so different to building a bridge?