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SILVERLAKE
November 15th, 2004, 07:11 PM
This ticks me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why should we spend 500,000 dollars a year to give money to a Chicago company so they can run a marathon here.

Please contact Padilla and Weiss or other city council members and let them know that this ain't cool. A marathon as big as LA's should not be controlled by people from smaller cities and FOR SURE they should not be getting OUR tax money!!!!!

Sale of L.A. Marathon Raises Questions About City Subsidy

With a Chicago firm's purchase of rights to the race, officials ask why Los Angeles should spend $370,000 a year to police the annual event.

By Patrick McGreevy, Times Staff Writer


The company that stages the Los Angeles Marathon has been sold to a Chicago firm for more than $15 million in a deal that had city officials questioning Wednesday whether they should continue subsidizing the footrace with $370,000 in traffic control and policing each year.

William Burke and Marie Patrick, partners in Los Angeles Marathon Inc., sold their controlling interest to a subsidiary of Devine Racing in an agreement that leaves Burke and Patrick overseeing the marathon for five more years.

"We think the L.A. Marathon will be the cornerstone of our company," said Chris Devine, chairman of Devine Racing. "It's got a lot of growth potential, and we are going to infuse a lot of capital to help it expand."

This year, the race drew 24,600 runners, but Devine sees the marathon growing to 40,000 to 45,000 participants, which would make it one of the largest in the country.

Devine said the merger involved paying Burke and Patrick about $10 million in cash, but sources said the pair also received stock in Devine Racing that brought the total value to more than $15 million. Burke will also sit on the Devine board of directors.

Burke, who remains president of Los Angeles Marathon Inc., declined to comment on the price but said he and Patrick earned it, having started the marathon 20 years ago against daunting odds.

"There were five different marathons before Marie and I came along, and everybody else went broke," Burke said. "I took the risk. I put in 20 years, and I've earned mine."

Others, including City Council President Alex Padilla and Councilman Jack Weiss, said Wednesday that they planned to review the deal and determine whether the marathon company, because it is now flush with cash, should continue to receive the subsidy.

The city contract with Burke requires his company to pay $130,000 annually for traffic control, street closures and extra policing for the race, which city officials have estimated actually cost $500,000.

"It deserves looking into," Padilla said. "If we have been contributing to the success of the marathon financially or in kind, we have a vested interest in looking at this."

It is unclear whether changes could be made under a deal Burke cut with the City Council that made the multimillion-dollar sale possible. Earlier this year, Burke sought and won council permission to allow the transfer of the marathon to a third party without the city's being able to terminate or renegotiate the terms, as long as either Burke or Patrick remained in control for at least three years after the transfer.

Others questioned whether the politically influential Burke, who is married to Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke, should be allowed to enrich himself with an event owned and sanctioned by the city and its taxpayers.

"The right to run the marathon is something of value, and the city should benefit," said Jon Coupal, president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Assn.

Devine Racing runs the Salt Lake City and Las Vegas marathons and the Chicago half-marathon. The firm formed a subsidiary, Devine Racing of Los Angeles, to buy out Burke and Patrick.

Burke issued a statement Wednesday to assure Los Angeles officials that he would remain in charge of staging the race, which will celebrate its 20th anniversary March 6.

"It [the merger] is going to turn L.A. into, if not the largest marathon, one of the largest and most respected in the country," Burke said in an interview from Las Vegas.

He and Patrick operate the marathon under a contract with the city that extends through 2010.

Earlier this year, Burke settled a legal dispute with the city over the rights to the name "Los Angeles Marathon." Under the deal, Burke and his firm will receive a license to use the name and logo on T-shirts and other products, as well as in television and radio.

In return, the firm will pay a royalty to the city, starting next year, equal to 7.5% of any gross income received above the $3.86 million in gross income expected in 2004.

Burke is likely to weather any review by City Hall. His political influence extends beyond his marriage.

His firm has given city officials $64,000 in political contributions in the last decade, and thousands more to state officials. In 1995, the city Ethics Commission concluded that marathon employees had illegally laundered more than $50,000 in campaign contributions to 14 City Council members and other politicians around the state.

Burke's political clout appeared to work in his favor from the beginning. A former City Council aide who was inspired by the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles, Burke put together a team to bid for the original marathon franchise. Although his bid was ranked third by city officials, Burke won the contract anyway.

Padilla also voiced concern about the marathon being taken over by people from out of town.

"The fact that it is going to a non-L.A.-based company should also cause us some pause," Padilla said.

But Devine said the race would only get better.

"We are going to put several million dollars more into the event, which will translate into more entertainment during the race and after the race," said Devine, who previously owned and operated the Chicago Marathon before selling it to LaSalle Bank in 1994.

In a statement released Wednesday, Burke said the city's marathon generated millions of dollars each year for the city's economy and has raised more than $16 million for more than 50 charities since its inception.

Imperial Teen
November 16th, 2004, 04:26 AM
The Chicago Marathon had 40,000 registrants in 2004. LA had less than 2/3 of that last March. The Chicago metropolitan area has half the population as LA. Therefore something is drastically wrong. The LA marathon should be potentially taking 80,000 registrants. That of course is unheard of. But let's face it the LA marathon has tons of growth potential. Maybe these guys can turn LA's marathon into one of the premier marathons in the world ala Boston, Chicago, London and NY.

Suburbanite
November 16th, 2004, 04:40 AM
It isn't just registrants from a particular city's metro area that makes a marathon large, it is international registrants and those from other parts of the country that compose a marathon and make it successful. Judging from LA's prominence, it should have no trouble developing a massive marathon.

LosAngelesSportsFan
November 16th, 2004, 05:10 AM
You gotta remember that the LA marathon is relatively new, i think 20 years old. Its actually a great marathon, with fun costumes and other things to go along with the elite runners. There have been some changes for the better and there is plenty of growth potential. The number of runners increases every year and hopefully that trend will continue. i dont think Boston or NY has more than 30,000 participants but are still considered great. i think Honolulu had over 45,000 but i may be wrong.

Imperial Teen
November 16th, 2004, 10:03 AM
You gotta remember that the LA marathon is relatively new, i think 20 years old. Its actually a great marathon, with fun costumes and other things to go along with the elite runners. There have been some changes for the better and there is plenty of growth potential. The number of runners increases every year and hopefully that trend will continue. i dont think Boston or NY has more than 30,000 participants but are still considered great. i think Honolulu had over 45,000 but i may be wrong.

NY and Chicago are very close for the largest marathons in the US with over 35,000 runners. Chicago has slightly more registrants but NY has slightly more finishers. The NY marathon is a bit more competitive to get into, but the Chicago marathon is for all purposes just as large.

Lastly virtually all marathon records in the last 5-10 years have been set in London and Chicago.

Still Boston is THE MARATHON. You gotta qualify for it, and for the average runner it ain't easy.

LosAngelesSportsFan
November 16th, 2004, 10:53 AM
Lastly virtually all marathon records in the last 5-10 years have been set in London and Chicago.

i wouldnt doubt that. i dont think we will ever see a record time in LA because of the steep variations in the terrain and the route.

Imperial Teen
November 17th, 2004, 04:05 AM
Lastly virtually all marathon records in the last 5-10 years have been set in London and Chicago.

i wouldnt doubt that. i dont think we will ever see a record time in LA because of the steep variations in the terrain and the route.


You are right. London and Chicago's races are both at times when it is likely to be cool and both cities are as flat as a pancake, ideal conditions for setting records.

The Urban Politician
November 19th, 2004, 03:22 AM
The Chicago Marathon had 40,000 registrants in 2004. LA had less than 2/3 of that last March. The Chicago metropolitan area has half the population as LA. Therefore something is drastically wrong. The LA marathon should be potentially taking 80,000 registrants. That of course is unheard of. But let's face it the LA marathon has tons of growth potential. Maybe these guys can turn LA's marathon into one of the premier marathons in the world ala Boston, Chicago, London and NY.

^One of the reasons why the Chicago marathon is premier is because it often has the largest cash prize in the world for winners.
Why does it attract larger numbers of runners? That's a good question, and I have no idea. Maybe because it's perceived as easier (cooler, flatter terrain), or because of location (Chicago's central location, easier to get to). Either way, I have no idea, doesn't really equate

The Urban Politician
November 19th, 2004, 03:24 AM
This ticks me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why should we spend 500,000 dollars a year to give money to a Chicago company so they can run a marathon here.

^why do I get the feeling that if it was a company from any other city but Chicago Silverlake wouldn't mind as much? :)

crawford
November 19th, 2004, 04:07 AM
NY and Chicago are very close for the largest marathons in the US with over 35,000 runners. Chicago has slightly more registrants but NY has slightly more finishers. The NY marathon is a bit more competitive to get into, but the Chicago marathon is for all purposes just as large.

Lastly virtually all marathon records in the last 5-10 years have been set in London and Chicago.

Still Boston is THE MARATHON. You gotta qualify for it, and for the average runner it ain't easy.

No, the NY Marathon is not open admission. The size is strictly limited to 35,000 runners, even though more than twice as many apply. More importnant, the NY Marathon has a minimum 50% international runner requirement, which makes it extremely difficult to qualify as a U.S. citizen. This is why people pay thousands of dollars on the black market to run.

Boston is totally different. It isn't THE MARATHON, rather it's a completely unique format. Boston is limited to elite runners and is overall quite small.

I'm not sure of the Chicago Marathon specifics.

Imperial Teen
November 19th, 2004, 04:56 AM
No, the NY Marathon is not open admission. The size is strictly limited to 35,000 runners, even though more than twice as many apply. More importnant, the NY Marathon has a minimum 50% international runner requirement, which makes it extremely difficult to qualify as a U.S. citizen. This is why people pay thousands of dollars on the black market to run.

Boston is totally different. It isn't THE MARATHON, rather it's a completely unique format. Boston is limited to elite runners and is overall quite small.

I'm not sure of the Chicago Marathon specifics.


Yeah that's what I meant by being a bit more competitive to get into. You have to win a lottery to get into the NY marathon. Chicago admits the first 40,000 registrants, and then closes registration. But even with 5000 more registrants, slightly more NY marathon runners end up finishing. However, I think Chicago has a more stringent cut off time for walkers, so I'm not really sure. You have to maintain a 13 min mile in Chicago, which is somewhere between a really slow jog and a really fast walk.

As a person who has run 4 marathons over the last 5 years I can say unequivically that amongst marathoners, Boston is THE MARATHON. It has been run yearly for about 110 years now. And to say that you have qualified for Boston is about the greatest achievement for your average marathon runner ( a 25 year old man has to have run one in under 3:15 and a woman has to have run one in under 3:40, not at all impossible but, except for the gifted runners, it takes much dedication to achieve those times). Any schmuck can run the NY or Chicago. some people even walk it.

crawford
November 19th, 2004, 05:23 AM
Yeah that's what I meant by being a bit more competitive to get into. You have to win a lottery to get into the NY marathon. Chicago admits the first 40,000 registrants, and then closes registration. But even with 5000 more registrants, slightly more NY marathon runners end up finishing. However, I think Chicago has a more stringent cut off time for walkers, so I'm not really sure. You have to maintain a 13 min mile in Chicago, which is somewhere between a really slow jog and a really fast walk.

As a person who has run 4 marathons over the last 5 years I can say unequivically that amongst marathoners, Boston is THE MARATHON. It has been run yearly for about 110 years now. And to say that you have qualified for Boston is about the greatest achievement for your average marathon runner ( a 25 year old man has to have run one in under 3:15 and a woman has to have run one in under 3:40, not at all impossible but, except for the gifted runners, it takes much dedication to achieve those times). Any schmuck can run the NY or Chicago. some people even walk it.

Aha, you're speaking from a runner's perspective, I'm speaking from a spectator's perspective. The Boston Marathon is obviously a more elite race, but it isn't particularly interesting for spectators, and is less of an overall "event" than the NY Marathon. I've watched and enjoyed both, and have also watched the (frankly pathetic) Detroit Marathon.