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MILIUX
November 15th, 2004, 10:01 PM
Scores injured in Queensland train derailment

At least 79 people were injured, one seriously, when seven carriages of a high speed train derailed in southern Queensland today.

Police said the Tilt Train came off the tracks about 12.15am (AEST, 1.15am AEDT) about 400km north of Brisbane, near the Queensland coastal city of Bundaberg.

All 157 passengers and seven crew had been freed from the train, police said.

There were 79 people injured, with 48 "walking wounded" taken by bus to hospitals in Bundaberg, Gladstone and Gin Gin, police said.

One man with serious injuries was airlifted to Bundaberg.

Police said seven of the train's nine carriages derailed about 60km north of the city, near Rosedale.

The train was travelling from Brisbane to Cairns when the accident happened.

The cause of the accident was not known, police said.
A hotline has been set up for relatives and friends seeking information about the crash on 1800 100 188.

The Tilt Train has been in service since 1998 and can travel at speeds of up to 160kph.

Three services run between Brisbane and Cairns each week.
The Tilt Train can cover the 620km trip between Brisbane and Rockhampton, about a third of the way to Cairns, in about seven hours.

Trains that tilt can go up to 40 per cent faster around curves than conventional trains.

"About 12.15 (AEST) the train was going from Brisbane to Cairns and it's derailed about 10 minutes north of Rosedale," a police spokeswoman told ABC radio.

"Seven of nine cars have come off the tracks and emergency services have been frantic this morning clearing all 157 passengers, as well as seven crew, from the train.

"There are dozens of people being treated for injuries and one person has been airlifted this morning to Bundaberg in a serious condition.

"Those with less serious injuries are being treated at the scene, or transported by coaches ... as well as multiple ambulances. They are going to hospitals in Bundaberg, Gin Gin and Gladstone."

She said there were no fatalities.

Dr John Scott, the chief of operations with Queensland Health, said 17 people had received "significant" injuries.

"Fortunately, considering that we had about 160 people on the train, we've only got about 17 people who have been significantly injured, and of those only about two that are seriously injured," Dr Scott told ABC radio.

"We've got a variety of injuries, mostly rib injuries, spinal injuries, abrasions. We've got one fractured limb, and some abdominal injuries."

Queensland Rail chief executive Bob Scheuber said it was not known if the train was travelling at full speed when it derailed.

"We don't know what speed, yet, the train was doing, but there is a black box recorder on the train and of course that will be one of the key pieces of information that the ATSB will want to look at in determining the cause," he told ABC radio.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) will be fully investigating the cause of the accident.

Mr Scheuber said the train was on a good quality section of track when it derailed.

"It was on a 150kph section (of track). It's good quality track ... it's heavy duty rail," he said.

He said emergency services had difficulty getting to victims in the fourth carriage of the train.

"Initially we had difficulty getting into ... the fourth car to get everyone out," he said.

"But that was the only issue in terms of trying to get people off the train."

CULWULLA
November 15th, 2004, 10:56 PM
blend caused it.

Fabian
November 16th, 2004, 12:52 AM
The injury toll is now 128

TOCC
November 16th, 2004, 09:16 AM
yah lets all laugh at the near death of hundreds

tayser
November 16th, 2004, 09:32 AM
:|

I'm reading on railpage the segment of track that it derailed on was set for 150kph, however the corner it derailed on has a speed limit of 60kph as was splashed over the frontpage of MX this afternoon (a blown up version of the the below image)

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,396471,00.jpg

^ you can see the speed limit sign as a point where the police line is tied, just to the right of the cop.

other images

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,396596,00.jpg

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/11/16/train_narrowweb__200x312.jpg

uewepuep
November 16th, 2004, 09:56 AM
poor train :(

Avatar
November 16th, 2004, 11:29 AM
poor train :(

Sorry it was nothing special, maybe I could understand had it been the MLX-001 or a Skinkansen Nozomi. This is not the most sexy of trains.

Anywayz aint we supposed to be thinking of the people? :colgate:

MILIUX
November 16th, 2004, 12:01 PM
From the pics, it looks like it was over-speeding.

CULWULLA
November 16th, 2004, 12:25 PM
is this the fastest train in the world for narrow gauge?

Danubis
November 16th, 2004, 04:19 PM
is this the fastest train in the world for narrow gauge?

not anymore :P

hornetfig
November 16th, 2004, 11:00 PM
you've written that intonation in yourself?

CULWULLA
November 16th, 2004, 11:21 PM
not anymore :P i cant beleive your attitude cull. i mean, these are peoples lives... next thing you'll be saying you're glad they died. :eek2:
?you lost me. what attitude? im asking about if train is fastest on narrow gauge. i think everyone knows that its a terrible accident. i dont really have to voice my concerns. its a friggin train accident! of course i feel for passengers. but no was killed?? so its not that bad.
If you want to talk train tragedy, lets talk Granville- 83 people died.

http://www.concut.com.au/images/gran.jpg

or Sydney's Waterfall accident last year that killed 7.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1052591791210_2003/05/13/14nws_waterfall.jpg

now they were tragedies!!

ABS
November 17th, 2004, 12:12 AM
It's good that nobody has died.

JayT
November 17th, 2004, 01:24 AM
The most amazing thing is that the carriages are all very intact, I mean you would expect a tangled wreck but their all in very good condition considering how they ended up.

The fact that nobody died is due to strength carriages. Hope that Perth's and Brisbane's suburban trains are built to the same strength.

jt

Danubis
November 17th, 2004, 03:15 AM
6 people are still in critical condition... so lets not count out any deaths yet.

Bergin
November 17th, 2004, 06:14 AM
praise the lord there aren't any fatalities yet. I feel deeply for the victims after reading the paper and seeing the news. I was planning on going to Brisbane on the Tilt Train for christmas, um i dont know what im going to do just yet. I'll wait for the Transport authority's findings and then decide from there.
I would've been so distressed, being woken up in the middle of the night by a big bang and crash.
We can't say 100% that all trains are safe from derailment. This is the first train crash for the tilt train and lets hope no more ever occurs, The tilt train has up until now boasted a reputation of safety,style and elegance. Lets just hope that reputation hasn't been permanently damaged.

Macca-GC
November 17th, 2004, 08:57 AM
Well it's the first train crash for a long time in Queensland. It is the fastest narrow gauge train on Earth, and the fastest train in Australia.

The thing with the speeding, it was going at 112Km/h when it crashed, but the sign to tell the driver to reduce speed was only 100 metres before the corner. I wouldn't consider that enough time to slow down.

Jimmy James
November 17th, 2004, 10:49 AM
From a snippet I read out of the paper it seems the narrow guage is the very thing that caused the train to derail.

perthwa
November 17th, 2004, 10:54 AM
and the fastest train in Australia.

will be interesting if the transwa prospector can beat the speed record for australia they say it has a max of around 220kmph though I thinks its only doing 160kmph atm

tayser
November 17th, 2004, 11:02 AM
QR Tilt has Aus Speed record of 215kph.

The fastest narrow guage train was 245kph set in South Africa, but doesn't run in service at that speed, no where near it.

The fastest standard guage train is TGV Atlantique @ 515kph, which is the steel wheel on steel rail speed record likewise.

for a Vic RFR comparison, the conventional method of improving curves so they are much faster has been undertaken, i.e this is the Parwan curves on the Ballarat line, the old line on left was 50-60kph, new line as you can see double @ 120kph:

http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/rfr-ballarat/20040711-pwn-curves-1.jpg

http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/pics/ballarat_rfr_work/bull_farm_curves_2.jpg

Other Ballarat line stuff:

http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/pics/ballarat_rfr_work/near_gordon_1.jpg


with tilts it could go higher.

from The Age

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxmedia/2004/11/16/train_gfx.gif

tayser
November 17th, 2004, 11:18 AM
Non-tilt speed top, tilt speed bottom afaik:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,396734,00.jpg

Danubis
November 17th, 2004, 01:04 PM
they said on the news that the train was going 157km/h on a bend that had a speed limit of 60km/h. so no wonder it derailed.

jellyman
November 17th, 2004, 09:48 PM
The thing with the speeding, it was going at 112Km/h when it crashed, but the sign to tell the driver to reduce speed was only 100 metres before the corner. I wouldn't consider that enough time to slow down.

The train drivers are trained to know where all the speed limits are, and the driver must slow the train to the speed limit before it hits the sign, not after it hits the sign. As trains are slower to break than cars this routinely involves braking before the driver can see the speed limit sign.

Danubis
November 18th, 2004, 01:49 AM
maybe the driver was a terrorist and this was his suicide mission

ABS
November 18th, 2004, 04:09 AM
Or maybe it was late at night and the drivers lost track of where they were on the line. Normally high speed trains have an electronic system that detects low speed corners and automatically slows the trains. Except these systems are turned of on the tilt trains.

hornetfig
November 18th, 2004, 06:32 AM
Automatic Train Protection is apparently available between Brisbane and Rockhampton (the extent of electrification), but yes, it is not available on either the Electric or Diesel Tilt Trains. But it is substituted by a second driver.

AtD
November 20th, 2004, 07:33 AM
http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/11-19-04-railroads/-.-1.jpg

MILIUX
November 20th, 2004, 01:02 PM
I don't get how train de-railment which caused hundreds of injuries could be funny or can even be mocked at.

Neo
November 20th, 2004, 01:26 PM
I don't get how train de-railment which caused hundreds of injuries could be funny or can even be mocked at.

Neither do I, but then again, that picture above made me laugh.

Maybe it's our way of coping with events like these.... or maybe not.