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Alvin

November 23rd, 2004, 03:27 AM

Indonesia to host first military expo

Tiarma Siboro, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Indonesia is set to host its first defense industry showcase, featuring over 250 prominent companies from around the world, from Wednesday through Saturday.

A variety of products will be on show during the three-day exhibition at the Jakarta International Expo in the Kemayoran fairground in Central Jakarta, including Russian-made Sukhoi jet fighters, military trucks, Steyr gas-operated semi- and fully automatic assault rifles, integrated shore-based communications systems for maritime security, head protectors and military boots.

Minister of Defense Juwono Sudarsono said on Monday that the event, called Indo Defense 2004, would help visitors and trade delegates develop business contacts and networks.

"However, we are not expecting all the participants to directly strike business deals during the expo," Juwono said.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who is on his way home from the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit in Santiago, is expected to open the exhibition.

Apart from Russia's Rosoboronexport State Corporation, which produces Sukhoi aircraft, other top names taking part in the defense expo include Steyr Mannlicher and Interarms, Oerlikon Contraves, Teijin Twaron GMBH, Daimler Chrysler, Korea Aerospace Industries Ltd., Daewoo Heavy Industry and Machinery Ltd., Britain's Rolls-Royce International Ltd., Kazan Helicopters, Russia's Rosverthol, Indian-Russian joint venture company Brahmo Aerospace, and, from Indonesia, the Army's munitions manufacturer PT Pindad, the Navy's shipbuilder PT PAL and state aircraft maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia.

The event comes as the defense ministry under Juwono is moving to streamline the military procurement process, which will start with the drawing up of a list of the hundreds of contractors that supply the country with its military equipment.

Indonesia has been seeking alternative suppliers of arms and other military equipment following an embargo imposed by the United States after East Timor atrocities following the former province's separation from Indonesia in 1999.

In the past year, the administration of former president Megawati Soekarnoputri bought four Sukhois and two Mi-35 assault helicopters from Russia and two submarines from South Korea as part of an attempt to rebuild the country's defense capabilities, which the military claims have been decimated by the U.S. embargo.

Defense experts from various countries will find a forum where they can exchange views, with a series of seminars on strategic security and defense issues in the Asia Pacific region due to be held on the sidelines of the exhibition.

Alvin

November 23rd, 2004, 03:28 AM

ROSOBORONEXPORT TO EMERGE AT INDONESIA ARMS EXHIBITION

MOSCOW, November 22 (RIA Novosti's Olga Semyonova) - At the first arms and military hardware exhibition INDO DEFENCE-2004 EXPO&FORUM, due in Jakarta in Indonesia on November 24 through 27, the FGUP Rosoboronexport will showcase versatile products of the Russian defence sector from the latest Su and Mig fighters to the renowned Kalashnikov automatic weapons.

"We will display the multifunctional Su-27SK and Su-30MK fighters; multifunctional attack plane Su-39 with the radar sight complex Kopye. We'll demonstrate the unique capabilities of the MiG-31E fighter-interceptor and the Yak-130 trainer," the Rosoboronexport spokesman told RIA Novosti before flying to Jakarta.

A place of pride in the Russian exhibition will be given to Mil and Kamov gunship, troop-carrier and reconnaissance helicopters - combat Mi-28NE; combat transport Mi-35, Mi-35P and Mi-35M; assault transport Mi-17-1V; radar picket Ka-31.

"Of the air-defence specimens brought along, specialists and visitors at the exhibition will inspect the 300VM Antei-2500 antiaircraft missile system, cutting-edge missile system S-300 PMU-2 Favorit and get exhaustive information on the antiaircraft missile systems of medium and small range Buk-M1-2 and Tor-M1, Pechora-2, Tunguska-M1, Osa-AKM, portable antiaircraft system Igla", the interviewee said.

He believes that foreign customers may find interest in the Zoopark radar system for missile and artillery positions surveillance; portable radar Fara-1 for group targets surveillance and aiming; radar Kredo-1 for moving surface targets surveillance; anti-radar protection system Gazetchik-E against self-aiming shells.

The Russian land forces exhibition will display the T-90S tank; T-72M1 updated tank with fire-control and heat-seeking sight of foreign make; updated light floating tank PT-76B; infantry combat vehicles BMP-3, BMP-3F; armoured personnel carriers BTR-90, BTR-80 and BTR-80A; self-propelled howitzer 2S19 Msta-S; as well as antitank missile systems Kornet-E and Metis-M1.

Rosoboronexport will showcase the well-known updated multiple-launch systems Grad and Smerch (RSZO), a multiple-launch version with the remote-controlled manned aircraft Pchela-1 (DPLA).

The Russian naval exhibition will show small coastal submarines Piranya, Piranya-T, Piranya-2; the escort ship Korsar; patrol boats Mirazh, Merkuri and Mangust; landing hovercrafts Murena-E and Chilim. Alongside them are different weapon systems - the shipborne missile system Uran-E with antiship missiles H-35E; shipborne rocket system with antiship cruise missiles Yakhont; shipborne antiaircraft missile systems Rif-M, Shtil-1 and Klinok.

Rosoboronexport will also present small arms like the Kashtan and Bizon-2 submachine-guns; improved Kalashnikov automatic weapons AK-101, AK-102, AK-103 and AK-104; Dragunov sniper rifles.

macgyver

November 23rd, 2004, 04:34 AM

Last Night I watched Metro TV.
That Indonesia Reject the condition from US for normalizing the military cooperation.
The US govt. wants Indonesia to ( skor = apa ya inggeris nya ? ) pejabat polisi dan militer yang terlibat kasus Timika dan Timor Timur.

Indonesia Defence Minister Say :
The Legal Process in Indonesia is merely Indonesian Business and cannot be pressed by other nation.
Indonesia regrets US that always use human rights to interfere other nation, in fact US itself has done many human right violations ... ( iraq, afghanistan etc. etc. )

PAK Juwono Sudarsono I am fully supporting you .... :okay: :okay:

Jakarta to press US on arms ban
Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono waves to reporters, 4 October 2004
Mr Yudhoyono plans to meet Mr Bush later this month
Indonesia's new defence minister is to visit the US to lobby for an end to Washington's arms embargo, as part of fresh moves to normalise relations.

Juwono Sudarsono will brief US officials about his country's need for arms and other military equipment.

The US banned weapons sales and direct military support to Indonesia because of the 1999 violence in East Timor.

Indonesia's new President Yudhoyono also hopes to meet President George W Bush at an Apec summit this month.

Foreign Minister Hassan Wirayuda gave no date for Mr Sudarsono's visit, but said it would take place early next year at the latest.

Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, has emerged as a key player in Washington's so-called war on terror. The new government of Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who won September's presidential election, is keen to present itself as a credible ally.

"We have really transformed ourselves into a democratic society," Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman Marty Natalegawa told BBC News.

"We feel that it is important that this new reality should be reflected by the United States."

Mr Bush is one of the leaders the new Indonesian President plans to meet on the sidelines of the Apec conference in Chile, which begins on 20 November.

Washington broke off military ties with Indonesia after pro-Jakarta militias went on the rampage in East Timor during and after the province's vote for independence from Indonesia in 1999.

It has insisted that those responsible must be held accountable before normal ties can resume.

Refugees in East Timor, 1999
Many thought responsible for East Timor's 1999 bloodshed walk free
US officials have expressed disappointment at the outcome of Indonesian tribunals set up to try those accused.

Last week, a court overturned a conviction against Abilio Soares, the last Indonesian governor of East Timor and the only man jailed over the violence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3998821.stm :okay: :okay:

Yamauchi

November 23rd, 2004, 06:35 AM

How is that good news or a thumbs up? The United States was preparing to provide hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid and lift the arms embargo, but it was rejected by the US congress because of East Timor and the Papuan incident. Now we see the Indonesian armed services being very unprofessional, such as a few months ago when getting in an argument they went and got their buddies, loaded up in a truck, and slaughtered some civilians.

So, the Indonesian people suffer under an unprofessional army, and the armed services suffer from the lack of needed equipment because of this man's pride. I was hoping Indonesia would enter a new era, but now my hopes are a bit crushed. Every great power has gotten to their position by utilizing the superpowers for their benefit. That's just a simple study of politics and economics.

macgyver

November 23rd, 2004, 06:50 AM

How is that good news or a thumbs up? The United States was preparing to provide hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid and lift the arms embargo, but it was rejected by the US congress because of East Timor and the Papuan incident. Now we see the Indonesian armed services being very unprofessional, such as a few months ago when getting in an argument they went and got their buddies, loaded up in a truck, and slaughtered some civilians.

Please Try to compare ...
Bombing many innocent people in the Mousque.
Bombing people who celebrate marriage party.
Bring Millions of millions... of innocent poeple in uncertainty condition.

That What people always see .....
If there is a single or some Indonesia military doing not proper action, they pictured it and tape it .... then distribute everywhere ......... as suggest that all Indonesia military do the same thing.

While ....

When ...Others .... ???

Ruler rule the world
Ruler rule the value
Ruler rule the news
Ruler rule everything rudely .....

( I hope you know what I mean by ruler )

Once Again ... Supporting Mr Yuwono .... :cheers:

macgyver

November 23rd, 2004, 07:54 AM

Selasa, 23 November 2004
Berita: Menhan Keberatan Penuhi Syarat Amerika Serikat

Berita UmumJAKARTA (Media): Menteri Pertahanan Juwono Sudarsono keberatan jika dalam rangka pemulihan kerja sama militer Indonesia-Amerika Serikat, termasuk pembukaan embargo, dirinya harus menskorsing orang-orang yang dinilai terlibat dalam kasus Timor Timur (Timtim) dan Timika, Papua.

Pernyataan itu disampaikan Menhan dalam konferensi pers yang digelar di kantor Departemen Pertahanan, Jakarta, kemarin. ''Salah satu butir dari lima persyaratan yang diajukan pihak AS ada yang agak saya tolak, yakni ketika mereka meminta saya sebagai Menhan untuk menskors para tersangka dalam peristiwa Timtim dan insiden penembakan di Timika, Papua, pada Agustus 2002,'' ungkap Juwono.

Alasan pernyataan keberatan itu, menurut Juwono, karena hal yang terkait dengan kedua kasus itu merupakan urusan internal pengadilan Indonesia. Selain itu, sambung dia, dirinya memang tidak berkenan melayani desakan-desakan dari pihak luar.

Selain permintaan untuk memberikan skorsing, lanjut Juwono, AS juga mengajukan persyaratan agar ada transparansi dalam penggunaan anggaran oleh Dephan dan Markas Besar TNI. Padahal, menurut Juwono hal itu tergolong rawan karena menimbulkan kesulitan tersendiri bagi pihak Indonesia untuk meyakinkan pihak AS, terutama para anggota Kongres dari beberapa negara bagian tertentu di negara Paman Sam tersebut.

AS mulai mengembargo pembelian senjata dan suku cadang oleh Indonesia sejak kasus Timtim tahun 1999. Saat ini, pemerintah Indonesia berniat untuk memulihkan kerja sama militer, khususnya dalam rangka pembelian suku cadang dan persenjataan dari AS.

Terkait upaya itu, Juwono menandaskan bahwa pihaknya berada pada posisi sesuai prinsip hubungan luar negeri Indonesia, yakni bebas aktif yang diterjemahkannya sebagai langkah untuk mempertimbangkan terlebih dulu seluruh syarat AS, kendati tidak dimungkiri bahwa Indonesia memang berkeinginan untuk menjalin kerja sama.

''Jadi, kita tetap akan melihat dulu apakah semua syarat harus ditanggapi. Karena sebagai negara berdaulat, Indonesia harus meneliti dulu satu per satu kelayakannya,'' tuturnya.

Seperti diberitakan Media, kemarin, persyaratan yang sama juga diajukan oleh Presiden AS George W Bush dalam pertemuannya dengan Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, di sela-sela pertemuan Forum Kerja Sama Ekonomi Asia-Pasifik (APEC) di Santiago, Cile. Bush mengatakan AS sangat berkeinginan memulihkan kerja sama militer kedua negara, namun dia mensyaratkan penyelesaian kasus Timika.

Diungkapkan oleh Juwono, sebenarnya pemulihan kerja sama militer Indonesia-AS sudah bisa dimulai dalam waktu dekat. Jika saja, sambung dia, Presiden George Walker Bush menyatakan bahwa masalah yang ditudingkan Kongres AS terhadap Indonesia sudah selesai.

''Tetapi, sesuai sistem di AS, Presiden Bush harus mempertimbangkan suara dari senat AS, terutama senator dari beberapa negara bagian. Sedangkan para senator itu sendiri menang dikenal memiliki lobi HAM yang sangat kuat di sana. Misalnya dari Wisconsin yang sejak lama memang sudah menjadi langganan sebagai penggugat Indonesia,'' katanya.

Kendati keadaannya demikian, Juwono mengaku, tetap akan berangkat ke AS sekitar bulan Maret atau April 2005, dan berupaya menemui sejumlah anggota Kongres. Dalam pertemuan tersebut, kata Juwono, dia akan berusaha menjelaskan persoalan HAM di Indonesia.

''Agenda saya ke sana adalah untuk menjelaskan kepada Kongres. Karena dalam sistem mereka, Kongres memang ikut menentukan apa yang perlu dibantu, misalnya untuk Indonesia, dalam kaitan dengan militer.''

Senjata Libya

Sementara itu, ketika ditanya ihwal tawaran penjualan pesawat tempur dari Libya yang disampaikan putra pemimpin Libya Moamar Khadafi beberapa waktu lalu, Direktur Jenderal Sarana Pertahanan (Ranahan) Dephan Mayjen (Purn) Aqlani Maza menyatakan bahwa tawaran tersebut baru sebatas wacana. ''Tawaran itu belum disampaikan secara spesifik ke Dephan. Karena itu, Dephan belum bisa menanggapi.''

Seperti diberitakan sebelumnya, dalam pertemuan yang digelar Ketua Umum Pimpinan Pusat Muhammadiyah Syafii Maarif, beberapa petinggi TNI Angkatan Udara (AU), serta pengusaha Dedy Yulianto dengan Saeifel el Islam Khadafi terungkap minat TNI AU untuk membeli delapan pesawat tempur milik Libya yang diembargo AS, sejak 1972. Disebutkan dalam pertemuan yang berlangsung di Hotel Mulia, pada 9 November 2004, pesawat tempur milik Libya itu berada di Georgia dan belum pernah digunakan sama sekali.

Lebih jauh diingatkan Aqlani, dalam sebuah rencana pembelian persenjataan militer ataupun suku cadang persenjataan, yang ditinjau bukan sekadar harganya, melainkan harus pula disertai dengan pertimbangan-pertimbangan lain, seperti masalah teknis dan taktis.(Nur/P-6)

http://www.dephan.go.id/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6166

macgyver

November 23rd, 2004, 07:56 AM

Corvette Production
State-owned shipbuilding company PT PAL Indonesia said it will build a navy corvette at a cost of $40 million in cooperation with 12 other state-owned and private companies.

The corvette to be completed in 2007 will be the first built in the country, PT PAL President H. Suryohadiprodjo said.

He said most of the components are expected to be supplied by state-owned companies PT Krakatau Steel, PT Pindad, PT Inti, PT Len, PT Dirgantara Indonesia, PT Inka, PT Brata, and PT Pupuk Kaltim, as well as private companies PT Texmaco, PT Maspion Indalex, PT Mastrada Surya Surabaya and PT Guna Elektro Tadakara.

The 80.4 meter long and 12.2 meter wide warship will be built by PT PAL, designed jointly with Orrizonte Sistem Navali S.P.A (Ficantieri Shipyard) and Italian Navy Corvette, reported Antara.

http://www.laksamana.net/vnews.cfm?ncat=36&news_id=7593

David-80

November 23rd, 2004, 02:28 PM

No matter what, Indonesia is really need to resume US military ties, When you learned the cost of mantainance and spare parts of NON US arms, you will understand why. The cost of Sukhoi itself, pretty much expensive for a country like Indonesia. India and China that have many sukhois in their fleet are asking more budgets for its 5th generation fighter operation cost. Yet, you also need to really adapt the culture of back in russian era. That lead to consider re-install and re-build the whole system for supporting the operation. Because most of the system installed in Indonesian forces command are western made. TNI is also in need for logistic and transport operation, the hercules are only 50% in operation, we have conflict in Aceh and most of eastern province, that needed a rapid reaction operational commands.

US arms companies are famous with its flexibility and good customers services. Thats why Suharto is choosing F-16s in 1989. Even for a country like Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia which are islamic country, they also choosing US fighters.

I am not always pro-US, but in this case, we really need to get the military ties resumed, I spoke with someone in the airforce during the wedding of my friend and he told me, nothing beats The US when it comes to maintainances.

Does the russian mechanics will go to Indonesia when some problems occured in one of the devices? I doubt so. Try that to the US company, they will be there right away less than 3 days.

Why i can told you this? My uncle is working for USAF and hes everywhere around the world everytime a country needed. He was in Saudi Arabia working to fix the saudi F-15s along with Mcdonald douglas mechanics before they merged with Boeing, then Indonesia with the lockheed guys for the F-16s and moved back to Honolulu in 2000 until finally hes now relocating to Guam for the pacific central command, in case North Korea plays dirty in Asia.

Finally, I am wishing the Military ties resumes soon, its a sad thing to see Indonesia, which is the front of the war on terror is not properly armed. Look at Pakistan, Saudi, Egypt, Israel, Turkey and many others....they got at least hundreds of US fighters and military arms.

Mac, I know you feel The US is unfair, you're right, I think they do. But you cant fight the giant with anger and revenge, instead work together with them and if the time comes, the giant will finally surrender. Not because of the war but from his own action.

Cheers

Yamauchi

November 23rd, 2004, 08:58 PM

Please Try to compare ...
Bombing many innocent people in the Mousque.
Bombing people who celebrate marriage party.
Bring Millions of millions... of innocent poeple in uncertainty condition.

That What people always see .....
If there is a single or some Indonesia military doing not proper action, they pictured it and tape it .... then distribute everywhere ......... as suggest that all Indonesia military do the same thing.

While ....

When ...Others .... ???

Ruler rule the world
Ruler rule the value
Ruler rule the news
Ruler rule everything rudely .....

( I hope you know what I mean by ruler )

Once Again ... Supporting Mr Yuwono .... :cheers:

macgyver, I'm not arguing with you that the United States does many terrible things. Of course it does. I'm saying that for the sake of the military Indonesia should deal with these issues.

Do you think General Musharraf likes being told what to do by the US? He is in control of a 97% Muslim nation which is much more hostile to America than Indonesia is, and he is not even democratically elected. Yet, because he has been willing to swallow some pride US congress yesterday passed $300 million in military aid for 2005 and another $1.1 billion in discounted military sales.

If you think the Indonesian military cares about the ethics of the USA, ask them why they are going to Israel for F-16 parts. This is my point. We have to set those things aside and go for the good of the defense.

Alvin

November 24th, 2004, 11:02 AM

Indonesia hosts major arms expo as concern over military abuses persist

Tue Nov 23, 9:22 PM ET Asia - AFP

JAKARTA (AFP) - A major defence industry showcase has opened in Indonesia, moving the country closer to the high-tech weapons it wants to fight militants and crush rebels but doing little to ease concerns of those who want it held to account for past military abuses.

AFP/File Photo

The four-day expo comes as Jakarta is struggling to overhaul its military under a US embargo imposed in response to abuses by Indonesia's armed forces in insurgency-hit Papua and Aceh and during East Timor (news - web sites)'s 1999 independence vote.

Although it has begun to restore military ties, Washington says Jakarta has yet to atone for atrocities, particularly after the release and acquittal of security personnel and officials convicted over the East Timor violence.

Indonesia is keen to open new supply channels for its military as it pursues an offensive against rebels in the western province of Aceh and efforts to combat Islamic militants blamed for a series of bombings.

New Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono said earlier this week the exhibition was not directly aimed at replenishing the country's armouries but would help forge contacts for future deals.

During former president Megawati Sukarnoputri's administration, Indonesia had purchased Russian Sukhoi jets and helicopters and Korean submarines.

The expo, to be opened by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, features fighter jets, boats, vehicles and guns made by 250 leading firms from 28 countries, including leading arms-makers from Germany, Poland, Russia and South Korea (news - web sites).

Alongside prominent names Siemens, Korea Aerospace Industries, Daewoo Precision Industries and Singapore Technologies Kinetics, Indonesia's own defence manufacturers are fielding a formidable array of hardware.

On display is an Indonesian navy boat named after Nasi island, an area that came under attack last year in the offensive against separatists in Aceh, where human rights groups accuse the military of torturing captives and killing civilians.

Activists say the arms expo will do little to remove stains from Jakarta's human rights record and could even help revive military dominance in a country that, until recently, bowed to the demands of its armed forces.

"I am not convinced that the exhibition will help to repair Indonesia's image as a country that has terrible human rights records," said Bonar Tigor Naipospos of the Solidamor human rights advocacy group.

He told AFP the military, which has had its financial wings clipped by recent legislation, would use the exhibition to show the government that its equipment was obsolete and in need of replacement by routes other than the United States.

Despite satisfying the US attorney general that rebels rather than its soldiers were behind a 2003 ambush in Papua which left two American teachers dead -- a version disputed by rights groups -- Indonesia has yet to convince Washington it is fully back on-side.

In October former US ambassador for Indonesia Ralph Boyce said Jakarta had "missed its opportunity" to restore military ties by failing to make its soldiers accountable for the violence in East Timor that left 1,400 people dead.

Of 18 people, mostly military and police officers, sentenced by an Indonesian tribunal investigating the bloodshed, all have had their convictions overturned or been freed on appeal.

Human rights groups say the tribunal was a sham set up to deflect calls for an international inquiry into the carnage during which whole towns were razed to the ground as the country voted overwhelmingly to separate from Indonesia.

In Jakarta's latest snub to international demands, the defence minister on Monday said his country had no intention of bowing to pressure for further trials.

"I have stressed that that is a matter of the internal judicial court of Indonesia and Indonesia will not heed calls that are based on their (United States) own regulations," Sudarsono said.

macgyver

November 24th, 2004, 12:07 PM

Indonesia hosts major arms expo as concern over military abuses persist

"I have stressed that that is a matter of the internal judicial court of Indonesia and Indonesia will not heed calls that are based on their (United States) own regulations," Sudarsono said.

Yes .... Agree Sir ... :-)
:)

David-80

November 24th, 2004, 02:28 PM

Juwono might said that in the press but you never know behind the doors...SBY is really looking forward to resume the US military ties. Yamauchi is right, Does Indonesia is really care with that, I doubt so. A-4 Skyhawks and it spare parts are coming from Israel, The intelligence school in Batam have some former mossaids agents teaching there, the airforce Boeing MPA and GMF are working together with Israeli company.

cheers

David-80

November 24th, 2004, 02:31 PM

Wednesday November 24, 6:27 PM

Indonesia may buy Russian fighters, will push for lifting of U.S. ban on weapons sales

Indonesia is considering buying up to 12 fighter bombers from Russia, and the nation's defense minister will go to the United States next year to push for the lifting of a ban on weapon sales, officials said Wednesday.

The embargo and a resulting lack of spare parts has led to the breakdown of many of Indonesia's American-made weapons. The ban was imposed in 1999 after Indonesian troops and their proxy militias killed nearly 1,500 people in East Timor.

Jakarta has made repeated efforts to have the embargo lifted. It gained the support of the Bush administration, which sees the Indonesian armed forces as a key ally in the fight against terror, but the U.S. Congress has rejected the move.

"I will make a trip to Washington, D.C., in March in an effort to reopen military ties with the United States," Defense Minister Juwono Sudarsono said on the sidelines of a military hardware expo. "If this is not fruitful, we will consider acquiring military equipment from other countries."

But the director general of strategic defense, Maj. Gen. Sudrajat, said the country was already considering buying up to 12 high-performance fighter bombers from Russia. Last year, it bought four Russian-built Sukhoi SU-27 long-range fighters.

He would not say when Indonesia may buy the new planes or how much the deal would be worth.

Indonesia has sought to forge ties with possible alternative weapons suppliers because of the U.S. embargo.

Officials said the Indo Defense 2004 Expo and Forum, the biggest military expo in Indonesia since the fall of ex-dictator Suharto in 1998, gives the country an opportunity to find suppliers to replace obsolete equipment and bolster its military forces, which are battling separatist rebellions at both ends of the country.

The expo runs until Nov. 27 and features 250 companies from 24 countries hawking fighter jets, tanks, weaponry and ammunition

Alvin

November 24th, 2004, 03:02 PM

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macgyver

November 24th, 2004, 03:12 PM

Juwono might said that in the press but you never know behind the doors...

Yup You never know :-) ... coudl be yes could be no, right ?

SBY is really looking forward to resume the US military ties.

Agree :-)

Yamauchi is right, Does Indonesia is really care with that, I doubt so.

Well, I have different Opinion, Boleh Khan ... :-)

A-4 Skyhawks and it spare parts are coming from Israel, The intelligence school in Batam have some former mossaids agents teaching there, the airforce Boeing MPA and GMF are working together with Israeli company.

cheers

Agree .... Me too, ... selling Israeli Products ... he he he ...

My Point is ....
Kalo Amerika memaksakan kehendak ya kita khan punya harga diri ...
Kita beli aja dari lain negara ....
Jadi peralatan militer kita berasal dari beberapa negara sehingga tidaak dengan mudah dipermainkan oleh satu negara ....

I always remember someone says .....

Whatever US can Make, ....
We Can make ..... with much lower price .... :-) ....
IT IS CHINA ....

We'll see China in 2100 .....
Hope the next is INDIA ... en ... our beloved country INDONESIA .....

:cheers:

bahar

November 24th, 2004, 03:12 PM

So, the Indonesian people suffer under an unprofessional army, and the armed services suffer from the lack of needed equipment because of this man's pride. I was hoping Indonesia would enter a new era, but now my hopes are a bit crushed. Every great power has gotten to their position by utilizing the superpowers for their benefit. That's just a simple study of politics and economics.

Having been living in Singapore for a couple of years, I really appreciate Yamauchi's statement Every great power has gotten to their position by utilizing the superpowers for their benefit. Being a tiny country, Singapore plays its part smart by balancing the influence of world powers such us the US, China, and increasingly India (due to the fact that India is gaining importance in world economy.

The Indonesian goverment, being the administrator of the world's most populous muslim country, should play its role smart too. Alienating the US due to public popular public view will be unproductive.

A country will progress forward if it's economy and international relations are run by experts, not public consensus.

David-80

November 24th, 2004, 03:13 PM

Thales to Supply Key Systems for New Corvettes Indonesian Navy Worth €60m

Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:43

The shipyard Royal Schelde and Thales recently signed several contracts for the delivery of a wide range of products that are to be installed on the two corvettes that Royal Schelde will build for the Indonesian Navy.

Thales will supply the ship's above-water defence system, the communication equipment and the sonar system. The value of the contracts amounts to approximately 60 million euros. The first ship is expected to be commissioned mid 2007.

The corvettes will be deployed by the Indonesian Navy mainly for patrol duties in the Indonesian archipelago in order to counter smuggling, illegal fishery and piracy, especially in the Strait of Malacca. One of the deciding factors for this contract is the good relation between the Indonesian Navy and Thales, based on the experience gained with the NAV5 patrol boats that were commissioned between 2000 and 2004.

The above water defence systems to be installed on the corvettes include: the TACTICOS scaleable combat management system, the MW08 3D multibeam surveillance radar, the LIROD Mk2 tracking radar, the LINK Y Mk2 datalink system and Target Designation Sights. For under water defence capability, the Thales Kingklip medium frequency active/passive Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) hull-mounted sonar has been selected. The naval communication system of the corvettes has been developed by Thales in Germany, based on the FOCON system. Thales will perform the complete combat system integration of these corvettes. To operate this sophisticated equipment, the future crew of the ships will be trained in the Netherlands by Thales. Thales expects to be able to keep playing a substantial role in the safety of the Indonesian archipelago.

About Thales Thales is the only non-US company capable of providing and integrating a comprehensive naval defence system for a variety of ship classes. Recent tests have proved Thales' leading position in defence missile control capabilities. Thales is an international electronics and systems group, serving defence, aerospace and security markets. The group employs about 62,000 people worldwide and generated revenues of 10.6 billion euro in 2003. - Thales

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Fir3blaze

November 24th, 2004, 03:37 PM

Wednesday November 24, 6:27 PM

But the director general of strategic defense, Maj. Gen. Sudrajat, said the country was already considering buying up to 12 high-performance fighter bombers from Russia. Last year, it bought four Russian-built Sukhoi SU-27 long-range fighters.

He would not say when Indonesia may buy the new planes or how much the deal would be worth.

Hee...which fighter-bomber do you think will be purchased? I have a nagging feeling that it'll be SU-32 (the export derivative of Su-34). I think the Su-34 is an impressive aircraft, particularly from the way it looks. Anyone know about it performs?

David-80

November 24th, 2004, 03:49 PM

It should be SU-30MKK and SU-27SK, I doubt about the SU-34. I have the details of the products that the russian offered. Its Su-27sk, su-30MK, su-34 and SU-37. Later i will post for you guys.

Cheers

Fir3blaze

November 24th, 2004, 03:54 PM

I think that both Yama and Mac's argument are sensible. all we need is balance, for both internal and external relationship. Meaning that while you balance relationship with other countries, as a government you must also carefully balances relationship with the population as well. That's how politics work. If you don't please your public, you might find yourself losing the next election. On the other hand if you don't please uncle Sam, you can't live (at least it's very hard economically).

Why the US senate continues to be hard on us and why Bush administration wants to resume military cooperation are all due to politics. Does any of them truly care for the welfare of the Indonesian people? I sincerely doubt that.

David-80

November 24th, 2004, 04:20 PM

Here is the detail!

Rosoboronexport; issued Nov. 23, 2004)

On November 24-27, 2004, the first Indo Defence'2004 Expo & Forum International Exhibition of armaments and military equipment will be held in the Indonesian capital of Jakarta. It is expected that about six thousand foreign guests will visit this exhibition organized by the Ministry of Defence of Indonesia.

At the exhibition, there will also be a conference titled "Regional Defence Strategies: Cooperation in a Changing World". The Exhibition will demonstrate practically the whole range of armaments and military equipment used in Land Forces, Air Force and the Navy. Special emphasis will be placed upon special technical means, special weapons and security systems.

The Rosoboronexport State Corporation will represent Russia at this exhibition, organizing a common exposition of about dozen leading producers of home defense industries.

The Russian exposition segment devoted to combat and transport aviation has been prepared taking into account requirements of commanding staff of Asian armed forces. The exposition will display the whole export range of the Su family of aircraft, including the Su-27SK, Su-30 multi-purpose fighters and Su-39 multi-purpose attack aircraft with the Kopie radar sighting system. The display will help guests and participants to acquaint themselves with the unique capabilities of the Mig-31E fighter-interceptor and Yak-130 combat training aircraft.

The Russian display will provide much information on combat attack, assault and reconnaissance Mil and Kamov helicopters, namely: the Mi-28NE combat helicopter, Mi-35, Mi-35P, Mi-35 combat helicopters, Mi-17-1V assault helicopter and Ka-31 radar patrol helicopter.

The unique capabilities of the Mi-28NE combat helicopter is certain to spur interest among experts since it is capable of performing combat missions day and night, at critical low altitudes. The Mi-26 heavy combat transport helicopter could also be at the center of attention since it provides excellent maneuverability even when loaded with troops with all their combat materiel. It can also transport large lots of cargo up to 20 tons.

At the Russian display one can also learn about the performance of the Mi-35M combat transport helicopter, which is a modification of the famous M-35 combat transport helicopter. Due to additional gun armament, the Mi-35M helicopter can more effectively destroy enemy armored materiel and provide better fire support for the army.

The Corporation exposition will display various models of Air Defence systems – from the portable Igla to the S-300 long-range systems. Experts and guests of the Exhibition will have a chance to get acquainted in particular with the capabilities of the S-300VM Antey-2500 missile system - the only system in the world that can engage both ballistic missiles with launching ranges of up to 2500 km and all types of aerodynamic and aero ballistic targets, as well as the latest S-300 PMU2 Favorit SAM system.

Visitors will get detailed information on such middle and low-range air defense missile systems as the Buk 1-2 and Pechora-2, Tunguska-1, Osa-AKM, Igla portable air-defense missile system.

Foreign customers may also be interested in the Zoopark missile and artillery locating radar system, Fara-1 portable guidance and surveillance radar system, Credo-1 unified ground moving target surveillance radar and Gazetchik-E system to be used to protect radar systems against homing rockets.

Army systems' exposition includes a broad range of tanks, infantry combat vehicles, and armored personnel carriers of all generations, landing-troop combat vehicles, armored recovery vehicles, multiple rocket systems, self-propelled artillery guns and howitzers, anti-tank rocket and anti-aircraft gun/missile systems, small arms and close-combat weapons. These are also tanks such as T-90S, upgraded T-72M1 tank equipped with foreign-made fire control system and infrared sight, PT-76B light amphibious tank, BMP-3 and BMP-3F infantry combat vehicles, BTR-90, BTR-80 and BTR-80 armored personnel carriers, Msta-S 152-mm self-propelled howitzer 2S19, as well as Kornet-E and Metis-M1 anti-tank rocket systems.

The Corporation's representatives will brief visitors on well-known upgraded MLR systems. Being the top-of-the-line, Grad and Smerch multiple rocket systems are capable of destroying practically all types of today's ground targets with minimum consumption of rockets within the shortest period of time and at high accuracy. Russian designers are also offering a variant of using multiple rocket systems in conjunction with Pchela-1 remotely piloted vehicles. They believe that this will allow a target to be detected and engaged in real time and standard combat performances will be greatly improved.

Experts may also obtain comprehensive information on a wide range of the Russian infantry combat vehicles, including upgraded BMP-2 and BMP-3. The BMP-3F infantry combat vehicle is the most attractive amphibious version of the well-known Russian BMP. Design modifications now allow these vehicles to move in water and to easily move onto the shore/bank at water/sea state of up to 3, to be afloat for seven hours with the engine operating and to conduct firing at preset accuracy at water/sea state of up to 2. The upgraded PT-76B light amphibious tank has the same characteristics.

Naval military equipment and armaments will also occupy one of the central places at the Russian exposition. Foreign customer will be offered small submarines capable of operating in shallow waters, such as the Pirania, Pirania-1, Pirania-2, Korsar patrol ship of 11541 design, and Mirazh, Merkuri and Mangust patrol boats. We believe that landing air-cushion boats such as Murena-E and Chilim might spur interest among visitors.

Alongside combat ships, the Russian exposition will also offer a wide range of various systems of armament, most of which have no analogues abroad. These are the Uran-E ship-borne missile system with the KH-35E anti-ship missiles, ship-borne missile system with the Yakhont anti-ship wing missiles, ship-borne air defense systems like Rif-, Shtil and Klinok and other missile, ammunition, torpedo and mine armaments.

Rosoboronexport State Corporation will represent the most competitive models of troop- and special-purpose small arms. Among the exhibits, are the Kashtan and Bizon-2 pistol-machineguns. Visitors will also be interested in such world famous models of highly effective small arms as Kalashnikov's sub-machineguns including upgraded versions of 101, 102, 103 and 104 of 5.56mm and 7.62mm calibers, SVD and SVDS sniper rifles of Dragunov's system. The Corporation's display will help visitors to acquaint with SPP pistol and APS sub-machinegun to be used for underwater firing. It is characterized by high penetration ability. This weapon may be also used on land.

Participation of Russia represented by the Rosoboronexport State Corporation at the first Indo Defence'2004 Expo & Forum International Exhibition in Indonesia demonstrates its interest in promoting actively, the sale of Russian weaponry in market and to continue strengthening of military and technical cooperation with all the countries of South-East Asia.

David-80

November 24th, 2004, 04:26 PM

Here is what I heard, S-300 missiles system and the Igla missiles are on the table for the Army. Kh-31 missiles is also on its way forNI AU. The navy will eventually choose BMP-3P for the Marines.

Man if we buy the S-300....the threat of air bombardment is easing....S-300 is practicaly in the same level of Patriot missiles, or slightly above.

Cheers

Yamauchi

November 24th, 2004, 11:15 PM

Yeah, S-300s are awesome. They're expensive but worth it.

The Su-34 is apparently a great fighter, otherwise Russia would not have chosen it to be the core of its AF. It's pretty obvious Indonesia needs to stick with the 27/30, though.

macgyver

November 25th, 2004, 04:15 AM

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From the look , It looks OLD ....
I prefer Patriot ... :-) :)

David-80

November 25th, 2004, 01:42 PM

Mac, Russian hardwares always looks old but they're fearsome, S-300 is slightly ahead of patriot in terms of capability.

Vietnam is the new customer for S-300 just this year.

Cheers

Fir3blaze

November 25th, 2004, 05:26 PM

Thing is that the S-300 system was orignated back in the 70s if im not wrong. However, there have been many variants after that. The one that Vietnam bought is one of the relatively more advanced variant. Hope if Indonesia is getting the system, we can get at least the same as Vietnam.

@Dave, yeah, i agree..the S-300 is a very effective form of air defence.

David-80

November 25th, 2004, 06:14 PM

Indonesia have RBS-70 and Rapier for their SAM system, its quite advanced though but its time to change those system....

After we bought the S-300 and Igla, lets put it on 6 important spots

Jakarta.
Biak
Balikpapan
Malang
Makassar
Medan

what do you think?

Hey fir3blaze, i posted an article about jetstar asia route to Surabaya, its a good news for you dude. Its getting cheaper!

Cheers

macgyver

November 26th, 2004, 04:48 AM

Fir3blaze

November 26th, 2004, 05:52 AM

Hey fir3blaze, i posted an article about jetstar asia route to Surabaya, its a good news for you dude. Its getting cheaper!

Yeah man! good news...i need to start flying cheaper (save some money)...

Alvin

November 27th, 2004, 02:26 AM

Russia cozies up to RI defense industry
Tiarma Siboro, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Russia has said it is willing to provide Indonesia all the assistance it wants in developing its weaponry systems and defense industry.

"If Indonesia can absorb the technology -- which I think is possible -- then developing a cooperation between Russia and Indonesian state aircraft maker PT DI can become a reality," Anatoly Yo Voronkov, chief expert at Sukhoi's Aviation Holding Company, told The Jakarta Post on Friday.

He was referring to PT Dirgantara Indonesia.

Russia, according to Vorokov, would provide incentives for Indonesia to purchase aircraft from it, including generous conditions in the contracts.

"It's okay for us to adopt a countertrade mechanism," said Vorokov, adding that rubber, tin and palm oil were among the Indonesian commodities in high demand in Russia.

Indonesia was forced to seek alternative arms suppliers following a weapons embargo imposed by the United States after the Santa Cruz massacre in East Timor in 1992.

The U.S. maintained the embargo following 1999 atrocities after East Timor voted to break away from Indonesia in a United Nations-sponsored referendum.

Indonesia has purchased four Sukhoi jet fighters from Russia and is planning to purchase more next year.

Under founding president Sukarno, the newly independent Indonesia developed a close relationship with Russia and procured some military equipment from that country, including 14 submarines, missile carriers and torpedo boats.

Due to ideological differences, those close ties chilled when Soeharto took over power in 1966.

Promising that politics would not affect business ties between Indonesia and Russia, Voronkov said Indonesia's military was a potential partner in future trades.

"Let's leave political matters to our governments, while we deal with defense technology," he said.

At the ongoing Indo Defense 2004 Expo and Forum, Russia has the biggest pavilion, accommodating 24 companies, including producers of Kalashnikov rifles and Sukhoi jets.

The Indo Defense 2004 Expo and Forum is the biggest military expo ever held in Indonesia. It runs from Nov. 24 to Nov. 27 and features 250 companies from 24 countries.

Roman Nikolaev from Izhmash, which produces the Kalashnikov, said Russia's politics had never affected business matters.

The company produces AK rifles, the latest version being the AK-102 to AK-104 series. Many of these weapons have been offered to Indonesian security forces, in addition to the popular Bizon 2-01 submachine gun.

A submachine gun is an automatic rifle that can fire 53 bullets with one pull of the trigger.

Indonesia has developed the Army's munitions manufacturer, PT Pindad, which produces the SS-1 rifle in cooperation with neighboring Malaysia.

David-80

December 14th, 2004, 02:07 PM

Are you ready for national service? Dec 14, 2004

Indonesia plans to impose military draft

Controversial Bill calls for mandatory service for citizens between 18 and 45
By Devi Asmarani
Indonesia Correspondent

JAKARTA - INDONESIA is planning mandatory military service for its citizens in a bid to beef up the country's defence forces.

Under a controversial Bill, submitted to Parliament last week, all male citizens between the ages of 18 and 45 will be required to join the military reservists for a period of at least five years or face a jail term of up to two years.

The Defence Ministry has been working on the Bill for the past two years.

The new Parliament will start debating it when it resumes next year.

It is aimed at strengthening the Indonesian armed forces (TNI) to 'maintain territorial integrity, the nation's sovereignty and protect the nation from security threats'.

According to the Bill, a copy of which was obtained by The Straits Times, a recruitment committee will be set up at the central and regional levels to begin registering those eligible.

They will be put through mental and health tests before they are given stints of 30-day basic military training every year.

The reservists will be ranked according to a military grading system and must serve a five-year term, which they can extend for another five years.

They will be deployed in wars or military-emergency areas.

The director-general of Defence Potential in the Defence Ministry, First Admiral Dharmawan, said: 'We are targeting about 800,000 people to join as reservists - which still pales in comparison to the 200 million people in Indonesia.'

A survey by the International Institute for Strategic Studies shows that Indonesia has a smaller military force in proportion to its population compared to neighbouring countries such as Vietnam and Thailand.

With 297,000 military personnel, the ratio is one soldier to 694 people, compared to one in 169 people in Vietnam.

Compounded with the country's vast territory and its challenging geography, this also means that one Indonesian soldier must guard about 6 sq km, while in Thailand, one soldier guards an average of 2 sq km.

Defence analyst Hari Prihatono told The Straits Times that misguided defence policies of former president Suharto - which emphasised the strengthening of the army to deal with internal threats of separatism and political dissidents - had contributed to its current state.

The army has also had to suffer in the past decade because of the United States military embargo that followed allegations of human rights abuses carried out by the Indonesian military in the former East Timor.

But some observers are worried that under the reservist system, millions of unemployed Indonesians could get training, raising the possibility of some of them using their skills to commit crimes.

Said Mr Hari: 'Without an effective and sophisticated recruitment system, we could end up giving street thugs military training.'

That apart, observers are questioning the urgency of having the military reservists when there is no clear external threat at the moment.

'We are not in war nor do we have enemy, and I assume in the next five to 10 years we will not likely have such threats,' said Mr Hari.

'Instead of spending the money, which we don't have, on drafting civilians, we should instead upgrade the weaponry and equipment, and improve training to have more professional soldiers.'

Yamauchi

December 14th, 2004, 08:43 PM

That's possibly the dumbest idea I've ever heard. I could write a lot about it, but Mr Hari said all that really needs to be said.

David-80

December 15th, 2004, 02:18 PM

Not just dumb but its really lame. It could also turns backlash for the Military. What happen if the youngsters that were trained can possibly turns to be terrorists or have their skills to help the rebels in Aceh?

If the Military needs man power, they can just pick guys from any other semi-military organisation like Satpam or Hansip. They got their training like what the military does.

cheers

sanhen

December 15th, 2004, 02:38 PM

Lol.
Its too early for Indonesia to do this kind of military service.
Even between ethnic there's fighting...
David is right, it could be backslashed

Ara

December 16th, 2004, 10:18 PM

Good idea if we are going to invade another country or we are being invaded by another country. Since neither is happening, this is a dumb idea. The threats we are faced with doesnot require a large military force. Instead, we need our military to be small and mobile to move from one spot to another and take care of the problem. We do not need a large military. Our external military operations are peacekeeping operations. Last time I check, nobody in their right mind will send reservist for peacekeeping operations. Dumb idea, beside, I don't think I can survive boot camp at my current fitness.

Yamauchi

December 21st, 2004, 07:55 AM

Daewoo International wins US$150 million orders from Indonesia

SEOUL (Reuters): South Korea's Daewoo International Corp. said on Tuesday it has won ship orders worth $150 million from Indonesia's navy.

The deal would provide for the supply of four landing platform docks starting from January next year, the company said in a statement.

sanhen

December 21st, 2004, 08:13 AM

Mac, Russian hardwares always looks old but they're fearsome, S-300 is slightly ahead of patriot in terms of capability.

Vietnam is the new customer for S-300 just this year.

Cheers

I remember some proverb...

"America might have good computers, but Russian has great math".

hahaha

Yamauchi

January 9th, 2005, 12:07 AM

Indonesia cancels Sukhoi purchase after tsunami

[World News]: Jakarta, Jan 7 : Indonesia said Friday it has dropped plans to buy a squadron of Russian-made Sukhoi jetfighters worth Rupiah 8 trillion (around $890 million) because of the Dec 26 tsunami disaster in Aceh.

Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono said here he had ordered Military Chief General Endriartono Sutarto to drop the Sukhoi proposal already submitted to the House of Representatives.

"We delay the purchase of war machines due to the disaster. We will shift the spending to personnel carriers such as helicopters," he said.

But the government will possibly renew the proposal in the next three years, Sudarsono said.

Indonesia has already bought four Sukhois, but the military has recommended the government to acquire at least one squadron (12 planes) this year.

Indo-Asian News Service

Yamauchi

January 11th, 2005, 10:33 AM

Seven C-130Hs are currently flying. Powell says that number will increase to 12 with spare parts.

US breaks military embargo to Indonesia with spare parts for relief planes
JAKARTA (AFP) Jan 05, 2005

Washington has decided to partially lift an embargo on supplying military hardware to Indonesia, promising spare parts for Hercules planes so they can be used to aid tsunami victims, officials said Wednesday.

Indonesian presidential spokesman Dino Patti Djalal said visiting US Secretary of State Colin Powell had confirmed that restrictions on equipment to mend a fleet of grounded military cargo aircraft would be lifted.

The embargo was imposed in the wake of alleged gross human rights violations by Indonesian troops in 1999 around an independence vote which saw East Timor separate from Jakarta.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono hailed the move, Djalal said, which would allow the planes to carry relief to northwestern Sumatra island to aid survivors of the tsunami which killed 94,000 Indonesians.

"The president welcomed it and said he hoped that it would be immediately implemented because we are in urgent need of the Hercules planes to resupply and distribute food, medicine," he said.

Djalal said that even though this decision was taken by Washington after evaluating the post-disaster needs of the Indonesian government, he believed the lifting of the restriction for the Hercules spare parts was permanent.

"I think this is something permanent... it is limited to spare parts for the Hercules," he said.

Powell on Wednesday toured tsunami affected areas of Sumatra's coastline, describing the carnage as one of the worst things he had ever seen.

"I've been in war and I've been through a number of hurricanes, tornadoes and other relief operations but I have never seen anything like this," he said.

Powell was due to attend an emergency summit in Jakarta on Thursday expected to secure pledges of aid for disaster victims and formulate strategies for delivering aid.

David-80

January 14th, 2005, 02:09 PM

Yeah, good news. I hope US will allow Indonesia to buy more choppers, we need something like seahawk or blackhawk.

cheers

Alvin

January 17th, 2005, 07:31 AM

U.S. and Indonesia May Restore Military Link
By ERIC SCHMITT

Published: January 17, 2005

AKARTA, Indonesia, Jan. 16 - The United States and Indonesia are seeking to use their cooperation in dealing with the tsunami crisis as a springboard to restore closer military ties after a decade of limited contact because of American concern over human rights abuses by the Indonesian Army, senior defense officials from both countries said Sunday.

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Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz, visiting here on a trip to three countries hit hard by the tsunami last month, said Congressional restrictions on American training and arms sales should be re-evaluated in light of what the Indonesian military is doing to refashion itself into a more professional and accountable force.

"If we're interested in military reform here," Mr. Wolfowitz told reporters, "I think we need to reconsider a bit where we are."

Earlier in the day, Mr. Wolfowitz, who was the American ambassador here from 1986 to 1989, in the Reagan administration, said, "Cutting off contact with Indonesian officers only makes the problem worse."

Military assistance to Indonesia was halted in 1992 in response to the killing of demonstrators in East Timor by Indonesian forces. After the Sept. 11 attacks, some counterterrorism training for Indonesian forces resumed. Last week, restrictions were relaxed to allow the sale of spare parts for Indonesia's aging fleet of C-130 military cargo planes so they could be used to deliver aid. Only 8 of Indonesia's 25 C-130's were in condition to be used, American officials said.

Any further changes would require congressional approval.

Even proponents of the restrictions - including those who have been critical of the army for its continuing rights abuses in places like Aceh Province, the site of worst devastation from the tsunami - acknowledge that the best hope for developing an army whose conduct fits a democracy is to send officers for training in the United States.

Mr. Wolfowitz pointed out on Sunday that the new Indonesian president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, is a former general who trained at the Army's Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kan.

He has made clear that in restoring assistance, the United States would not excuse past abuses and would press the Indonesian military to make changes to prevent such abuses. Any renewed assistance would have to be closely monitored, proponents of changes said.

Adm. Thomas B. Fargo, the head of the Pacific Command, said in an interview that the Indonesian military had already taken several steps - from no longer allowing officers to hold seats in Parliament, to centralizing control over special forces - and said he favored restoring full military ties.

Admiral Fargo is seeking Pentagon approval to expand a series of conferences his command has sponsored with Indonesian military officers on civil-military relations, democratic institutions and other nonlethal training, a spokesman said.

The Indonesian defense minister, Juwono Sudarsono, said Sunday at a news conference with Mr. Wolfowitz that he was trying to make needed changes in the 350,000-member military despite a limited budget.

Mr. Sudarsono sought to remove one possible irritant in relations between the United States and Indonesia by pulling back from his government's announcement last week that foreign militaries assisting the relief operations would have to leave by March 26, the three-month anniversary of the tsunami.

The comments had roiled some in Congress, who had viewed the remarks as an ungrateful reply to a surge of emergency American relief aid, particularly from Navy helicopters flying into remote coastal areas from the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and other ships off the western coast of Sumatra.

Mr. Sudarsono said Sunday that March 26 was not a deadline for foreign militaries, but rather the date by which the Indonesian government would try to improve and accelerate its ability to oversee all relief efforts. "Foreign military operations providing relief and rehabilitation will be allowed to continue, albeit on a reduced scale," he said.

Here in Indonesia, Mr. Sudarsono said it was difficult to bolster the military's public image, especially in places like Aceh Province, which had the greatest number of deaths from the tsunami and where a separatist rebellion has simmered for decades. He said he had placed a full-page advertisement in Indonesian newspapers to thank the military for its efforts in helping tsunami victims.

He also appealed to Washington to provide more training for officers, particularly in management and on the technical aspects of defense, and Mr. Wolfowitz responded that such training made sense for a military in a democracy.

Officials from both the United States and Indonesia said that the Indonesian military's handling of the crisis in Aceh could influence members of Congress on the issue of restrictions. But perhaps more important, it might also open the door to a settlement of the long-simmering strife there, American officials said.

"If the military proves itself in Aceh, and shows they can do something other than kill people there, it could bring about a settlement," said one American military official who had studied the tensions there but who spoke on condition of anonymity because he did not have an official policy making position.

Before the tsunami, Aceh was mostly off limits to foreigners, including aid workers. Martial law was declared in the province in May 2003 and relaxed to a state of "civil emergency" last year, as some 40,000 troops weakened the rebels.

Human rights groups have accused the Indonesian military of severe abuses of civilians.

Mr. Wolfowitz will wrap up his inspection of the tsunami-stricken region with a visit to Sri Lanka on Monday to review the damage there as well as American military relief operations. He visited Thailand earlier in the weekend.

David-80

January 18th, 2005, 05:01 PM

Good read, but again the problem is not from the administration but the congress.

Anyway funny isnt when you read this kind of stuff in the news.

If the military proves itself in Aceh, and shows they can do something other than kill people there, it could bring about a settlement," said one American military official who had studied the tensions there but who spoke on condition of anonymity because he did not have an official policy making position.

:lol: :lol: thats just an opinion, why you have to speak on anonymity or ?? :lol:

cheers

Fir3blaze

January 26th, 2005, 04:04 PM

*** From www.thejakartapost.com ***

Susilo wants stronger military

JAKARTA (Antara): President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said on Wednesday he wants Indonesia to have a stronger and better equipped military to enable it to help handle major events, such as the tsunami disaster.

"We face the challenge of building up stronger armed forces," Susilo said during a discussion on defense affairs.

Frequently criticized for human rights abuses during the Soeharto era, the Indonesian Military (TNI) has struggled to cope in the tsunami's aftermath, and has only managed to deploy a few helicopters compared to the number sent by other countries.

Foreign warships and aircraft proved crucial to the effort to get aid to the survivors of the Dec. 26 disaster stranded on remote coasts.

"If we had a stronger military, we could have done a lot more," he added.

Susilo also said that Indonesia must improve its capacity to produce military equipment so as to reduce its dependency on foreign armaments. (**)

Fir3blaze

January 26th, 2005, 04:07 PM

What to you think happened to these guys?

*** Taken from www.thejakartapost.com ***

Pirate attacks in Malacca Straits stop after tsunami

JAKARTA (Bloomberg): Attacks on shipping in the Malacca Straits, the world's busiest sea lane, stopped after the Dec. 26 tsunami that devastated Indonesia's Aceh province on Sumatra island which is adjacent to the waterway, a shipping group said.

A magnitude-9 earthquake off the coast of Sumatra caused a tsunami that swept across the Indian Ocean killing more than 200,000 people in 12 countries, most of them in Indonesia, where whole towns were wiped out. Sumatra is on the west side of the Malacca Straits, where about a fifth of the world's piracyincidents were reported last year.

"There hasn't been a single attack in any part of the Malacca Straits since the tsunami," said Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau's Kuala Lumpur-based Piracy Reporting Center. "If they were coming out of Aceh, we assume the pirates lost their boats and other assets."

Pirate attacks in the strait, where more than 50,000 vessels passed through last year, rose to a 14-year high in the first half of 2004. Most pirates come from the Indonesian side of the waterway and attacks were increasing in the two months before the tsunami, Choong said.

Pirates attack shipping in the Malacca Straits usingspeedboats that can travel fast and undetected. Armed with machine guns they board ships with grappling hooks and steal cash and other valuables from the crew, according to incident reports filed with the Piracy Reporting Center. (**)

David-80

January 26th, 2005, 07:08 PM

being wiped out in the ocean? :lol:

I think the fact that many foreign vessels and even aircraft carrier in the straits of malacca, its making them to think twice before they actually go in action.

chers

David-80

January 27th, 2005, 05:38 PM

SBY seeks to boost defense spending

Tiarma Siboro, The Jakarta Post/Jakarta

In a bid to create a strong and modern military, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is contemplating up to a five fold increase in defense spending to an "ideal level" of 3-5 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) compared to the current 1 percent.

Speaking at the opening of a seminar on developing the national defense industry on Wednesday, Susilo described the country's defense system as "under-strength, under-funded and under-capacity" to confront the various potential threats facing the archipelago.

"The time has come for this country to have sophisticated weapons system," said the retired army general, without specifying any time frames.

"Political will alone is not enough, because the aim of achieving an ideal defense system will also depend on the availability of funds, which in turn will depend upon the country's economic performance," he added.

He explained that one of the benefits of having a modern military was the ability of the nation to better cope with major natural disasters such as the tsunami in Aceh, where the country was forced to rely on foreign military because of the Indonesian military's limited equipment, especially helicopters.

"Our Air Force could only get nine aircraft into the air to help (tsunami) survivors, evacuate victims, and distribute aid, while foreign forces, within a matter of minutes, were able to supply twice as much military equipment, and were able to immediately carry out relief efforts," he said.

"Poor weapons systems are also causing difficulties for our soldiers in quelling the guerrillas in Aceh. If we had more sophisticated weaponry, I'm sure our security operations would be more effective there," he said, at time when his top ministers are heading to Finland for peace talks with leaders of the Free Aceh Movement (GAM) in a bid to seek a peaceful solution to the decades-long conflict.

The defense budget of the world's fourth most populous country is considered low even compared to smaller neighboring countries such as Thailand and Malaysia, which a few years ago had already achieved a defense budget of more than 2 percent of GDP.

Indonesia has a 400,000-strong military. But much of its military equipment is in poor condition. For instance, Indonesia has two squadrons of Hercules aircraft, but only 40 of them are airworthy. This is often used by the TNI as a reason for their slow response in sending troops and humanitarian aid to remote areas hit by security disturbances or natural disasters.

Some experts at the seminar suggested that the country should start reducing its dependence on foreign supplies of military equipment by pushing local companies to produce such supplies.

President of Bandung-based arms producer PT Pindad, Budi Santoso, gave a presentation on the company's capability in developing a certain type of rocket as well as modern tanks, but they were facing funding constraints.

"We are now seeking partnerships with foreign companies," Budi said.

It has been reported that some eastern European countries, as well as neighboring ASEAN countries, had proposed cooperation in developing defense industries, but the ministry's director general of defense strategy, Sudrajat, repeatedly said that "all the deals required us to provide huge funds."

For the 2005 fiscal year, the government has allocated Rp 21 trillion (US$2.3 billion) for defense expenditure, accounting for only 6 percent of the state budget.

Yamauchi

February 3rd, 2005, 08:01 PM

U.S. Seeks Military Ties With Indonesia

By CHRIS BRUMMITT, Associated Press Writer

ABOARD THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Indonesia - The United States wants to boost military ties with the Indonesian military on the back of the two countries' close cooperation in helping victims of the Dec. 26 tsunami, America's ambassador to Indonesia said Thursday.

The United States cut off ties with the Indonesian military in 1999 because of human rights concerns. The Bush administration, however, is keen to see the restrictions lifted, partly because of fears that al-Qaida may launch attacks from Indonesia, which has seen a string of deadly bombings in recent years.

The U.S. military was the first foreign army to arrive in Indonesia to join the tsunami relief efforts. Its helicopters have ferried tons of food and water to the survivors.

Ambassador B. Lynn Pascoe praised the two militaries' cooperation.

"We look forward to having much better relations with the military in the weeks and months to come, and we will certainly be working on that with them," he told reporters.

Pascoe declined to say whether he would recommend that the U.S. Congress lift the ban.

The USS Abraham Lincoln, meanwhile, was departing from Indonesia's tsunami-battered Sumatra island in the single biggest withdrawal of the American military aid effort since the Dec. 26 disaster.

The aircraft carrier, with 5,300 sailors and Marines aboard, "is moving out of Indonesian waters," said U.S. Navy spokesman Cmdr. Mark McDonald. The ship is expected to head for Singapore.

In a visit to Indonesia last month, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said closer contact with the U.S. military would strengthen the Indonesian military's commitment to human rights and allow it to better respond to natural disasters.

Wolfowitz, a former U.S. ambassador to Indonesia, is a key proponent of improved ties between the two countries. Critics say he is turning a blind eye to massive human rights abuses by the Indonesian military.

Congress has so far blocked moves to reopen ties, which were severed in 1999 when Indonesian soldiers and militia proxies took part in bloody rampage that killed hundreds of people in East Timor following its vote for independence.

U.S. lawmakers maintain that the military has not improved its human rights record since then.

Suspected military involvement in the murder of two American teachers at a U.S.-owned gold mine in the remote province of Papua in 2002 has also complicated moves to restore links.

Indonesia has long called for the ban to be lifted so it can buy new U.S. military equipment and take part in American training programs.

Indonesian military chief Gen. Endriatono Sutarto, who also attended Thursday's ceremony, said he hoped the tsunami cooperation would "pave the way for a wider range of cooperation between the two armed forces."

Alwi Shihab, the government minister in charge of the tsunami relief effort, said he expected more "fruitful" ties with both the Bush administration and Congress in the coming months.

David-80

February 4th, 2005, 02:32 PM

Lifting the ban is just a matter of time right now, EU and UK already lifted the ban long time ago, why not the US.

cheers

Fir3blaze

February 6th, 2005, 08:30 AM

tata

February 6th, 2005, 03:44 PM

Is it PAKSI?
Anyone has more pictures of it?
Tata

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/4631/paksi8qz.jpg

sanhen

February 6th, 2005, 04:40 PM

Woah
What a strong car
What kind of engine and fuel consumption this car has?

Fir3blaze

February 6th, 2005, 05:01 PM

Yeah..that's the name..PAKSI. I saw the other pics before, but didn manage to find it again. I personally think that the design looks good.

Sorry Sanhen, im unsure of the specifications.

PS: Seems like it doesnt suffer any damage from knocking down that piece of wall :eek2:

tata

February 6th, 2005, 06:15 PM

do they have the civil version? ;)

sanhen

February 7th, 2005, 12:52 AM

Must be really hot inside.
Hope TNI has allocate some fund for air conditioner.
Poor soldier.. with such clothing inside a metal oven :) :) :)

David-80

February 7th, 2005, 01:02 PM

Paksi has aircon on it, thats Indonesia answer to Humvee :)

Anyway, Pindad also made APV with 90 mm turret gun, its very cool though, Also the patrol boat made by PAL with zebra cammo.

cheers

sanhen

February 7th, 2005, 03:12 PM

Actually
how many manpower Indonesian military currently have in total?
About 200,000 all together, I think?

Fir3blaze

February 7th, 2005, 06:16 PM

www.thejakartapost.com

Indonesian Navy, Lapan to produce missiles

JAKARTA (Antara): The Indonesian Navy and the NationalAeronautics and Space Agency (Lapan) signed a memorandum of understanding on Monday to develop missile to reduce the dependency on foreign weapons.

"We are very dependent on foreign weapons. It is very harmful not to be able to operate our weapons just because we are under an embargo," Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Bernard Kent Sondakh said.

"The missiles will be for defensive purposes only," he added.

Lapan chief Mahdi Kartasasmita said the early stages of the development process would make use Lapan's expertise in rocketry.

Lapan launched its first rocket, the Kartika, on Aug. 14, 1964, under the tutelage of then president Sukarno.

"We expect to launch the missile from a naval warship in 2006 if everything goes as planned," he said on the sidelines of the signing.

The Rp 25 billion (US$2.7 million) national missile program will produce a surface-to-surface missile with a range of 20 nautical miles and equipped with a steel-piercing warhead.

Bernard expects the venture also to involve Indonesia's other defense-related companies, including airplane maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia, arms maker PT Pindad, the National Institute of Sciences and the National Electronics Board.

The U.S. slapped an embargo to Indonesia following the Santa Cruz, East Timor, massacre in 1992. It tightened the embargo following violence in East Timor following the 1999 independence referendum there. Great Britain followed suit.

While the embargo is mostly aimed at the Army, the Air Force and Navy have also suffered. (***)

Yamauchi

February 7th, 2005, 09:09 PM

Actually
how many manpower Indonesian military currently have in total?
About 200,000 all together, I think?
All forces combined are right around 300,000.

sanhen

February 7th, 2005, 11:21 PM

@Yama: Thanks!

@missile
Missile is no longer a goverment exclusive.
You can make one using off the shelf spareparts.
Example: http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/

Fir3blaze

February 15th, 2005, 07:24 PM

http://img238.exs.cx/img238/1671/halim016wk.jpg

http://img238.exs.cx/img238/9004/halim027dr.jpg

http://img238.exs.cx/img238/8454/halim046yy.jpg

http://img238.exs.cx/img238/4826/f162vn.jpg

http://img238.exs.cx/img238/7010/foto7b7cg.jpg

Ara

February 16th, 2005, 08:50 AM

This is old news, but i think that this pic might be interesting.

http://img171.exs.cx/img171/2443/540116fu.jpg

The black vehicles in the pics are made by TNI themselves, and called sth like 'paksi'. Look at how they ram the Merc van :P *Pretty bad way to waste money*

That vehicle looks exactly like a South AFrican made vehicle. I can't remember the name though. here is the picture:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1165000/images/_1168130_sapolice300.jpg

David-80

February 16th, 2005, 01:57 PM

isnt that pic cute, combination of russian and american jet fighters laying together in the same airforce. :)

cheers

Fir3blaze

February 16th, 2005, 04:56 PM

Ara, i don't think the two vehicle looks similar. The south african one got a "flat nose", while the Indonesian made one isn't. :)
Cheers,

Fir3blaze

February 16th, 2005, 05:13 PM

taken from www.thejakartapost.com

'Air Force has less than half of required aircraft'
JAKARTA (Antara): Indonesian Air Force Chief of Staff Vice Marshal Chappy Hakim told the House of Representatives on Wednesday that he only had less than half of the aircraft required to safeguard Indonesian airspace.

"Currently we only have seven squadrons of fighters, five transport squadrons, one maritime patrol squadron, three helicopter squadrons and two training squadrons," he told House members.

"Actually we need 13 fighter squadrons, 14 transportsquadrons, three surveillance squadrons, seven helicopter squadrons and six training squadrons."

Chappy said the Air Force was prioritizing adding to the number of its aircraft in the next five years, especially fighter squadrons.

"Money is not the only obstacle to increasing the number as the Indonesian Military (TNI) is still under an arms embargo sanctioned by the United States and its allies.

It is difficult to get spare parts for our aircraft,particularly for fighters," he said.

The U.S. imposed an embargo on Indonesia following the Santa Cruz, East Timor incident in 1992 and further tightened the clamp following the riot following the UN-sponsored referendum in 1999that led to East Timor's independence. Great Britain followed suit.

Indonesia owns a number of American-made jets such as A-4 Skyhawks, F-16 Fighting Falcons, F-5 Tigers as well as C-130 Hercules transporters.

Meanwhile, British made aircraft include Hawk Mk 53s, Hawk Mk 100s and Hawk Mk 200s.

The Air Force currently has four Russian-made Sukhoi fighters, two Su-27 SKs and two Su-30 SKs. These fighters, however, are not equipped with weaponry. (***)

David-80

February 18th, 2005, 06:05 PM

Rice to 'soon' decide on resuming military training for Indonesia

(Kyodo) _ U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Thursday she will "soon" determine whether to fully resume military cooperation with Indonesia, which is now legally banned.
Rice told a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing that she is in the final stages of consultations with members of Congress about deciding whether Indonesia has met the cooperation requirements under the law for resuming the program to train the Indonesian military. "I expect to come to a determination really rather soon on that matter," Rice said, noting that Indonesia is cooperating "well enough" in an investigation that has led to an indictment in the 2002 case of two Americans killed in an ambush in Papua Province where violence is continuing between separatist rebels and government forces.

"I think it's a good time to do that," Rice said, also crediting Jakarta for holding its first direct presidential election last year, which Rice described as a "successful democratic exercise in a huge country with a huge Muslim population."

Rice noted that President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who was elected then, is a graduate of the training program.

The United States suspended military exchanges with Indonesia and banned weapons sales in reaction to the Indonesian military's alleged involvements in human rights abuses during the process of East Timor's independence in 1999.

The two nations partially resume military exchanges in 2002 as part of antiterrorism measures after the terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001

http://sg.yimg.com/i/aa/providers/kyodo.gif

Ara

February 18th, 2005, 10:15 PM

Indonesia's Yudhoyono changes top military brass

Thu February 17, 2005 12:49 PM GMT+05:30

JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesia's president has named several new military chiefs, replacing a tough-talking nationalist general who headed the powerful army with an officer seen as a moderate.

The military said at a news conference on Thursday that President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono had also appointed new heads of the air force and navy, but not the position of overall armed forces commander, expected to become vacant in a few months.

Former general Yudhoyono picked the army's deputy chief, Lieutenant-General Djoko Santoso, to replace staunch nationalist General Ryamizard Ryacudu, military spokesman Major-General Sjafrie Sjamsuddin said.

"This decision didn't come overnight, but through a process," Sjamsuddin said. Ryamizard would remain on active duty but it was unclear what his new job would be.

Santoso won praise for helping implement a peace pact between warring Muslims and Christians in the volatile eastern Moluccas islands. Santoso took over as military commander after the deal was signed in 2002.

Analysts said the rise of Santoso -- who holds a masters degree in management and has a background in intelligence -- could dash Ryamizard's hope of heading the military and pave the way for Santoso himself to take the top post.

Nationalist politicians have been rallying behind Ryamizard to become military chief while moderates have wanted Santoso.

While the English-speaking Yudhoyono was seen as a thinking general who feels comfortable with foreigners, Ryamizard was known for his anti-foreign views and harsh attitude towards separatists in Aceh and Papua provinces.

Indonesia's military has lost some of its powers since the downfall of autocrat Suharto in 1998, but still retains much influence, especially over regions such as tsunami-hit Aceh province, where the government is engaged in a fresh round of peace talks with rebels.

Yudhoyono stopped short of picking a new chief for the armed forces to replace General Endriartono Sutarto, known as a professional soldier who has largely kept the military out of politics since he took over in 2002.

Sutarto has asked to be replaced, saying he wants to retire. Santoso's appointment could see him move into the top job after several months, analysts said.

The new navy chief will be Vice Admiral Slamet Soebijanto. The top air force job goes to Vice Marshall Djoko Sujanto.

Alvin

February 27th, 2005, 09:20 AM

U.S. to resume Indonesian military training

WASHINGTON (AFP): The United States, eager to build up its alliances in Southeast Asia, has decided to resume training members of the Indonesian armed forces suspended since 1992, officials announced on Saturday.

"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has determined that Indonesia has satisfied legislative conditions for restarting its full International Military Education and Training program," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in a statement.

Indonesia's participation in the program has been essentially on hold since 1992, when the Indonesian military launched a bloody crackdown against pro-independence protesters in East Timor.

The sanctions were further tightened in 1999, after the Indonesian army was accused of killing about 1,500 people in East Timor in an unsuccessful bid to prevent the territory from gaining independence.

The ban was effectively written into law by the U.S. Congress in 2002, when U.S. lawmakers insisted that generals in Jakarta were blocking an investigation into the killing of two U.S. school teachers in Indonesia's Papua province.

But Indonesian authorities have since taken steps to improve cooperation with the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation and brought murder and illegal firearms charges against Indonesian citizen Anthonius Wamang, a member of a Papuan separatist group.

Moreover, the administration of President George W. Bush has repeatedly stressed the importance of broadening post-Sept. 11 counterterrorism cooperation with Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation.

Boucher said Rice had concluded the Indonesians weredetermined to continue its cooperation with the FBI in the case of the murdered Americans "and thus have fulfilled the requirements articulated in the legislation to allow for resumption" of the training program.

"The department expects that Indonesia resumption of full international military education and training will strengthen its ongoing democratic progress and advance cooperation in other areas of mutual concern," the spokesman said.

There was .o immediate word on where Indon%sian military personnel will be trained and what kind of courses will be offered to them.

But the decision caps a quiet lobbying campaign by top Pentagon officials led by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who has openly advocated the view that congressional restrictions on military-to-military contacts with countries like Indonesia and Pakistan were hurting U.S. interests more than helping them. (***)

Alvin

March 8th, 2005, 02:13 PM

Malaysia spat raises questions of Indonesia military
By Shawn Donnan in Jakarta
Published: March 8 2005 11:38 | Last updated: March 8 2005 11:38

Indonesia has been engaging in old-fashioned gunboat diplomacy this week as it tries to shoo away Malaysia from a disputed and oil-rich patch of sea off north-eastern Borneo.

Yet alongside the nationalist calls to arms and anti-Malaysian protests that have accompanied the show of strength as Jakarta sent warships into the disputed waters is a nagging reality: if Indonesia wanted to turn the parade of muscle into action it would have to do so with a decidedly creaky fleet.

“What muscle do we really have?” said a senior Indonesian official this week. “People look at Singapore and think it is just a dot on the map. But now even the Singaporean navy would defeat ours.”

The question over Indonesia's ageing military might - the country has been under a US arms embargo for 13 years - is likely to be on the mind of Syed Hamid Albar, Malaysia's foreign minister, as he arrives in Jakarta today. Mr Albar will be in meetings aimed at finding a diplomatic solution to the dispute over the “Ambalat” block, which flared up last month after Malaysia awarded an oil concession in the area to Royal Dutch Shell.

But it also plays into a debate over the isolation to which the Indonesian military has been subjected by western governments since the early 1990s because of human rights abuses in East Timor.

Eager to see justice done for the 1999 military-led violence in East Timor, human rights groups continue to call for the US and other western governments to shun the Indonesian military, or TNI, until it hands over senior officers indicted by UN prosecutors.

Others argue there is more mileage to be had in engaging the military, something they say was proven in part by the welcome received by US and other foreign troops from the TNI in tsunami-stricken Aceh.

The debate will hit its latest milestone this weekend when Indonesia's defence minister, Juwono Sudarsono, leaves for Washington for an official visit that follows what are already encouraging signs for Jakarta in its bid to restore full military ties with the US.

The Bush administration last month restored a controversial programme that will allow Indonesian officers to train in the US. Following the Asian tsunami disaster it also relaxed conditions on a long-running arms embargo to allow Jakarta to buy spare parts for its ageing fleet of C-130 cargo planes. And Jakarta has influential friends in figures like Condoleezza Rice, US secretary of state, and Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defence secretary.

Mr Sudarsono says he wants to “explain the broader context of reform” to critics of Jakarta in the US Congress during his trip. He argues that as Indonesia emerges as a democracy, further engagement is needed so young TNI officers can be prepared to run a “modern military” which knows how to report to a civilian government.

He says that would fit in with future reforms of the military planned by the new government of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, such as reining in notoriously corrupt military-owned businesses.

Mr Yudhoyono, the defence minister points out, is also seeking to sideline a hardline general who was widely expected to be the next head of the armed forces.

But analysts say the situation may not be as cut and dry as Mr Sudarsono may want it to appear.

For all its ageing equipment, Indonesia's military remains one of the most influential institutions in the country, says Kusnanto Anggoro, a military analyst at Jakarta's Centre for Stategic and International Studies. Although Mr Yudhoyono is a former general, in his first four months in office he “has not been able to assert his authority over the military”, says Mr Anggoro.

Constitutional changes passed in 2002 saw the military give up its seats in parliament. But Mr Anggoro says that has not always yielded change on the ground where soldiers continue to be accused of human rights abuses in the fight against separatists in places such as Papua and tsunami-stricken Aceh.

Yamauchi

March 8th, 2005, 08:47 PM

The Singaporean navy would obliterate Indonesia's. However, they shouldn't say "even" Singapore. Their Formidable frigates that are being built and coming into service are some of the most advanced frigates in Asia.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/formidable/images/Formidable_1.jpg

Alvin

March 9th, 2005, 05:40 AM

haha...again...the "red dot" frame of mind at work

Fir3blaze

March 9th, 2005, 10:02 AM

Yeah...in fact i think Malaysia would be a less intimidating adversary. In any case, the good thing about the Ambalat quarrel is that the people at DPR now realize (hopefully they do) that the TNI needs more funding to replace old inventories.

David-80

March 9th, 2005, 02:14 PM

But Indonesia's new sigma corvettes should be one of the most advance corvettes in the region though. Yama, do you think US will resume full military ties with Indonesia anytime soon? I was surprised they can deploy four f-16s to Kalimantan where the flyable fighters was only two last year. I think they already got the spareparts, my guessing is from Israel or....the netherland?

cheers

sanhen

March 9th, 2005, 02:44 PM

Ummm.. in general.. not againts certain country etc.. I think in term of hardware Indonesian military is not strong (but not weak too). However, in term of 'experience', TNI wins. Is not that easy to pull that trigger againts a moving objects... etc.

Fir3blaze

March 9th, 2005, 05:38 PM

I used to think that TNI will win in terms of experience, but as I observe things longer I begin to have doubts whether they actually do. I mean, if you count fighting GAM as experience, then we do have lots of experience. But when fighting other nations, I don't think that they'll be as "easy" opponent as GAM.

The Sigma corvettes would be a nice addition to the Navy, however its weaponries are just average I'm afraid. Given its size (length 91m), the ship should be able to accomodate a VLS.

Yamauchi

March 10th, 2005, 01:14 AM

I think that the US will soon resume full military ties given the prominent position of Paul Wolfowitz. He's essentially the overlord of the neo-conservative movement (Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. - Not Bush), and Rice has indicated she supports restoring ties. If Indonesia wants good naval equipment look toward Japan. Since Russia's navy chief said their fleet was non-operational, Japan is really high on the list of world's strongest navies. They have all kinds of advanced designs.

Anyway, just looking at a list of Malaysia's ship list, I don't think Indonesia would have much of a problem given Indo's submarine fleet. Maybe if TNI is lucky they can get all of South Korea's 209-class subs (9 of them). I think if they go ahead with plans to develop anti-ship missiles they should look into creating their own class of missile boats. Sigma seems like it'll be a really good addition to the navy.

As far as Singapore is concerned, they're not going to war with Indonesia (it seems to me). They didn't get to where they are today by being stupid.

Yamauchi

March 10th, 2005, 06:53 AM

I think it's time for pictures of security forces.

Indonesian Police: Gegana - Anti-terror/Special Forces unit

http://img158.exs.cx/img158/4085/gegana8ov.jpg

Yamauchi

March 10th, 2005, 07:03 AM

http://www.cvl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kazmi/indexindonesia.html - This site has a list and pictures of all known naval units I suppose.

sanhen

March 10th, 2005, 08:09 AM

Huh?
Somehow that pic remind me of Counter Strike: Source new Counter Terorist models..

Ara

March 10th, 2005, 08:46 AM

That is a nice looking uniform.

Fir3blaze

March 10th, 2005, 10:25 AM

His glasses (the eye protection thingy) looked funny tho. Hee...

Alvin

March 10th, 2005, 01:23 PM

Military to up spending to modernize equipment

Rendi A. Witular, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

The recent dispute between Indonesia and Malaysia over territory and resources has rung alarm bells for the Indonesian military (TNI) to immediately increase spending to modernize its tattered war machines.

TNI Commander Gen. Endriartono Sutarto said the TNI along with the Ministry of Defense would propose a significant increase in military spending this year during the upcoming state budget revision scheduled to start this month.

"An immediate increase in military spending is a must. The TNI needs support from all parties to improve its equipment and arms in order to address future external threats," Endriartono told journalists aboard a commercial flight on Tuesday.

Endriartono refused to disclose the exact amount of the increase being sought, however, he hinted that the budget increase should be able to cover costs for reviving and modernizing all of TNI's war machines, which were either not functioning or too old.

"Our target for the next two years is to make all of our equipment fully operational. That will be just enough to defend our country from external threat," said Endriartono, adding that most of the funds would be allocated to the Navy and Air Force.

Based on the state budget, military spending this year is set at Rp 21.9 trillion (US$2.4 billion), up slightly from Rp 21.4 trillion last year and Rp 11.53 trillion in 2003.

The TNI's military equipment has been steadily deteriorating as a result of the 13-year arms embargo by the United States, which was imposed due to gross human rights violations in East Timor.

Endriartono said that the TNI was unlikely to purchase new arms for another two years, but might start expanding its equipment purchases again in 2007 when the country's economy was stronger.

Indonesia, southeast Asia's largest economy, needs a strong military force not only to address threats at home, such as separatist movements, but also as a deterrent to neighboring countries.

"Fighting separatism is not a grave threat for us since they can be tackled with small arms. The most dangerous threat comes from other countries. We need to show them that we are strong that they can't mess around with us," said Endriartono.

"Having a strong military is also a matter of dignity and sovereignty. Malaysia dares to claim our territory and acts rudely to our migrant workers because they know that we are not that strong," he said.

Endriartono also said that Indonesia would soon be able to directly procure spare parts for its Hercules aircraft, worth some $50 million this month, after the United States agreed to ease restrictions on the purchase of such parts.

Meanwhile, regarding efficiency efforts within the TNI, Endriartono said he had undertaken discussions with related ministries over the possibility of revising existing regulations on procurement, which had only created high costs for the TNI.

Endriartono suggested that any procurement of military equipment should be carried out directly by the Ministry of Defense without having to seek the assistance of third parties or private partners.

"Procurement using third parties only makes the price of our equipment more expensive because we have to cover the interest on the costs and also for their service fees ... We can actually save up to 50 percent if we can procure directly," he claimed.

The regulations, where military equipment and arms have to be purchased through third parties, was issued by former President Soeharto with the sole aim of enriching his family and cronies.

Fir3blaze

March 10th, 2005, 03:58 PM

Hee..that's good news. I just wish that the people in charge of this don't put the 'extra funding' into their own pockets.

Marshal

March 11th, 2005, 10:39 PM

Hi guys is it true that the Army s main battle tank is a French AMX13 and British Centurion and that they have Russian BVR ?

You guys don't make your own tank :?

Marshal

March 11th, 2005, 10:40 PM

Well at least Indonesia has F16s and Submarines. Philippines' military is so weak...we only have 2 F5s.

I dont think Indonesia needs F-22s. They just need an aircraft carrier to patrol the archipeligo filled with F18s and MiG-29s.

I agree!!

But HOLD ON!!!

F18s and MIG-29s are totally different a/c.. You can have one or the other but not both..

Marshal

March 11th, 2005, 10:42 PM

Based on the state budget, military spending this year is set at Rp 21.9 trillion (US$2.4 billion), up slightly from Rp 21.4 trillion last year and Rp 11.53 trillion in 2003.

Is indonesian rupiah (right?) very weak as trillions mean one US $2 billion???

Marshal

March 11th, 2005, 10:46 PM

As far as Singapore is concerned, they're not going to war with Indonesia (it seems to me). They didn't get to where they are today by being stupid.

I don't know about indonesian navy which could be strong as indonesia is a big island chain (or I could be wrong :? ) but Singapore a/f is one of its kind..

My friend gave me info as he lives in singapore and served in RSAF and they have kick ass F-16s blk52s etc. fitted with awesome israeli avionics and missiles NOT TO MENTION Hawkeye Awac's (top-of-the-line) and unrivaled by any other of their neighbours..

TheTramp

March 11th, 2005, 10:52 PM

that's cos the have the $$$ to purchase them and train the pilots....

TheTramp

March 11th, 2005, 10:53 PM

Is indonesian rupiah (right?) very weak as trillions mean one US $2 billion???

it's weak alright

Marshal

March 11th, 2005, 10:56 PM

Marshal

March 11th, 2005, 10:59 PM

that's cos the have the $$$ to purchase them and train the pilots....

Indonesian economy is pretty big (GDP is pretty big as compared to many s. asian countries) but still it doesn't make sense for an oil/gas producer like Indonesia (also mineral rich) to be sooo poor compared to a resource-poor singapore (which only has its people as its resource)..

I read that US controls those mines (with offcourse indonesian military serving as defense) of gold and oil in Java I believe??

Gumnaam

March 11th, 2005, 11:14 PM

...

Marshal

March 11th, 2005, 11:21 PM

Indonesia was supplied prior to East TImor but I dunno if US (probably didn't) transfer any tech??

I am interested if INdonesia asked Russia for sukhoi tech?

Pakistan is a different case and I dunno if it is rite to admins that we discuss pakistan here???

TheTramp

March 11th, 2005, 11:23 PM

Indonesian economy is pretty big (GDP is pretty big as compared to many s. asian countries) but still it doesn't make sense for an oil/gas producer like Indonesia (also mineral rich) to be sooo poor compared to a resource-poor singapore (which only has its people as its resource)..

I read that US controls those mines (with offcourse indonesian military serving as defense) of gold and oil in Java I believe??

Actually I think it makes a lot of sense. It's those countries that lack natural resources that always end up on top, because that's where the people have to use their brains to run their countries. Service-based economies have proven to be much stronger, Japan, Singapore, HongKong, you get the picture.

Indonesia's poor economy has nothing to do with its resources, but rather its people and decades of economic mismanagement following World War 2.

Not sure about gold mines and oil fields. I know oil is monopolized by the state there.

Yamauchi

March 12th, 2005, 12:08 AM

I assume when you say "The US" you are referring to the multinational corporations such as the Canada-based Inco, America-based Freeport, Australia-based Santos, Britain-based Premier, etc. Even in the case that you were referring to multi-national investment corporations when you say "The US," you would be wrong. The vast majority of the nation's oil wells and mines are not on the island of Java.

On the topic of Su-30s, of course they have better performance than the F-16. It has cost China and India over $100 million for each Su-30 they have acquired for their air force. The costs of keeping these aircraft operation are roughly ten times that of the F-16, with mandatory engine overhauls after only 150 hours of flight. As far as the US not currently having a comparable fighter aircraft in service, there are presently 29 F/A-22 Raptors in USAF service with about 25 coming on line every year.

Bapu: the reasons are obvious, but it probably doesn't fit into your world view which you support with a massive case of cognitive dissonance. I suppose it was only a matter of time until this thread was ruined. Or I'm just being mean. There is a website called Pakistanidefence.

Gumnaam

March 12th, 2005, 01:25 AM

^^ Don't take me wrong. I have no such intention. I have edited my post.

Marshal

March 12th, 2005, 03:23 AM

there are presently 29 F/A-22 Raptors in USAF service with about 25 coming on line every year.

They aren't mass deployed yet!!

Plus, Pak-fa will be there to encounter F-22 while JSF is more towards engaging other a/c.

Yamauchi

March 12th, 2005, 04:50 AM

They are being deployed at the rate they are being produced, which is roughly 25 a year until there are about 275 in service, with 29 presently in service. Those are the simple facts, and I'm not sure what you are arguing. Does the truth simply offend you?

Why are you talking about the Pak-fa? Firstly, you are speaking as if there is a war in which the two will meet each other. What kind of sick jackal are you? Do you foam at the mouth at the thought of China or Russia fighting the USA? Secondly, the Pak-fa is not presently being funded by Russia. When funding does come in line with Russia's economic development, the service entry date would be roughly 15 years passed that point.

Alvin

March 12th, 2005, 08:51 AM

March 12, 2005
US looks into resuming military funds for Indonesia

US financial aid for Indonesian military is 'in the interest of both countries'
By Eugene Low
US Correspondent

WASHINGTON - FOLLOWING its decision to resume a training programme for Indonesian soldiers, the Bush administration is now looking to lift restrictions on financial aid to Indonesia's military.

'US assistance in the form of foreign military financing would be in the interests of both countries,' Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Marie Huhtala said at a congressional hearing on Thursday.

Foreign military financing, or FMF, refers to grants approved by the United States Congress to help foreign governments pay for the purchase of American-made weapons, services and training.

Since 1950, the US has given out more than US$91 billion (S$147 billion) in FMF to armed forces worldwide.

US lawmakers voted to renew the ban on FMF for Indonesia in June last year.

According to conditions laid down by Congress, the ban cannot be lifted unless Indonesia holds its military accountable for human rights abuses in Timor Leste in 1999.

The lifting of sanctions also depends on the progress of Indonesian military reforms.

Full military ties move a step closer
AMERICAN moves to lift restrictions on financial aid to the Indonesian military are seen here as yet another sign of warming ties between the two countries.

Last month, the United States decided to resume military training for Indonesian soldiers.

Military analysts say that news of the proposed lifting of the restrictions would be welcome in Jakarta, coming as it does on the eve of the Indonesian defence minister's trip to Washington to further bilateral relations.

'It paves the way for a full restoration of cooperation and bilateral relations between the military forces of both countries,' retired Lieutenant-General Agus Widjojo told The Straits Times yesterday.

The Bush administration is keen to restore military links with Indonesia, which it sees as a key ally in the war on terror.

Last month, it resumed a military training programme for Indonesian soldiers.

The US cut military contacts with Indonesia in 1992 after massacres of civilian protesters in Timor Leste, then an Indonesian province.

But relations received a boost with the close cooperation of the Indonesian and US militaries in emergency relief after the Dec 26 tsunami disaster.

Lt-Gen Agus, a former military chief for territorial affairs, said the financial aid would come in handy for the Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI), which is planning to beef up its weapon systems and modernise its military.

'The aid will enhance the operational capability of the United States-made weapon systems,' he said.

The time was also ripe to restore military relations as the TNI is focusing its role strictly on the defence of the country, he added.

Another analyst, Mr Bantarto Bandoro, said the decision to resume financial aid might have come about after a close evaluation of the country's track record in pushing for democratic reforms.

'The Bush administration must have been convinced by now that Indonesia has undergone major changes in moving towards democracy. Washington must also see Jakarta as a key ally in the battle against terrorism,' he told The Straits Times. -- SALIM OSMAN

Ms Huhtala told the House Committee on International Relations that the administration 'looks forward to consulting with interested members of Congress on how we might help Indonesia reach these goals'.

Describing Indonesia as an 'important strategic partner', she said the US had 'a better opportunity now than at any time in the recent past to help strengthen democracy and respect for human rights' in the Muslim nation.

'We are hopeful that the day will come when the US and Indonesia will be able to enjoy full restored relations between our respective militaries,' she added.

A resumption of FMF would be another key step towards full military-to-military ties between the US and Indonesia.

Last month, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced the restoration of the International Military Education and Training (Imet) programme for Indonesia.

The Bush administration, keen on deepening cooperation with Jakarta in the war on terror, has been eager to restore links with the Indonesian military.

Washington is also concerned about security in the Malacca Strait, a critical sea lane for international trade and oil shipments as well as a key transit route for US Navy ships.

The US is ready to assist Indonesia in addressing this issue 'in ways that we will decide on jointly', said Ms Huhtala. She added that the US has always viewed Indonesia as a 'pillar of regional security in South-east Asia'.

Her remarks came amid warming relations between Washington and Jakarta.

Indonesian Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono will arrive in the US capital on Monday for a six-day visit to meet US officials and lawmakers.

His trip is said to be paving the way for a visit by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in May. But it remains to be seen whether Congress will be in favour of further lifting sanctions against the Indonesian military.

Various human rights groups as well as congressmen still complain about the Indonesian military's continuing lack of accountability.

Ms Patsy Spier, whose husband was killed in Papua province in 2002, has also lobbied for Congress to maintain its restrictions.

Indonesia Human Rights Network director Edmund McWilliams said at Thursday's hearing: 'The restoration of Imet dangerously conveys to the Indonesian military that longstanding US concerns about its human rights abuses...are no longer on the US agenda.'

Marshal

March 12th, 2005, 07:30 PM

Pak-Fa is jointly?? (funding..) developed by RUssia and India!

The more important sublimal message that I see is that this russian research will ultimately go into the richer China as it grows so in the end you might see Pak-fa as some JX42 type chinese plane..

Infact it is already happening.. chinese companies with russian fronts trying to steal russian tech lol

Marshal

March 12th, 2005, 07:31 PM

David-80

March 13th, 2005, 02:08 PM

Alright, this thread has been out of topic..I hope both parties back to the topic right now.

cheers

Yamauchi

March 13th, 2005, 08:28 PM

David, you can accuse me, but I was simply correcting misinformation being spread in the thread which could adversely affect people's opinions on certain issues.

Yamauchi

March 13th, 2005, 08:33 PM

Indonesia sends frogmen to dpisuted area with Malaysia

Indonesia has sent seven navy frogmen to a small reef that neighbouring Malaysia has also claimed as its territory.

Lieutenant Colonel Guntur Wahyudi says the elite troops were dropped on the Karang Unarang reef in the Sulawesi Sea from an aircraft.

Wahyudi says the frogmen were deployed on the reef to assist with work to construct a lighthouse there.

Last month, Indonesian workers working on the lighthouse complained that Malaysian troops who landed on the reef had beaten them up.

The incident has further fueled the tension between the two countries that had erupted after Malaysia awarded an offshore oil concession contract to an international oil company in the disputed area.

Marshal

March 14th, 2005, 06:07 AM

So who does the US support in indo-malay case as yours???

Dammit, I don't get it!!!!!

You guys are muslims and even more similar and share language (malay) and still can't come to deals with each other.. FIne if you guys can't share 50-50 with each other, THEN SIT LIKE GOOD NEIGHBOURS AND DEAL WITH IT THRU NEGOTIATIONS..

sanhen

March 14th, 2005, 01:48 PM

?
What Marshal talking about?

David-80

March 14th, 2005, 02:04 PM

Yama I was only trying to get the discussion back on its feet. No offence taken please.

And Marshal, no one is supported by anyone, because this is a matter of the two countries to resolve. I think every country in the world has territorial dispute, for example South Korea and Japan, which i saw on tv today, the korean protestors were cutting their own fingers and burning the japanese flags because of a small island...

cheers

sanhen

March 14th, 2005, 06:47 PM

Lastresorter

March 14th, 2005, 08:45 PM

?
guess marshal is talking about Indo vs. Malay territorial dispute?
Just think of it this way...
There is no fence between your house and your neighbour's house backyard. And the two of you know of this fact and still need to discuss about it. BUT your neighbour sell part of the backyard to somebody else. How do you feel?

She did not sell part of the backyard to somebody else, she simply rents the place that she claims hers to someone whom she thinks is the best candidate to develop it. After inviting in that someone, then only to find out that her neighbour is yelling at her and threaten to crush her, and had placed some armed men in her backyard. And then she found out that her neighbour also had handed their part of the backyard to some others which happen to overlap hers. So, knowing there are some threats at her backyard, she stayed in the house, did nothing, while her neighbour send in more and more armed men to show power and continue to wave their weapons at her door.

Interestingly, her neighbour ridiculed that she did not respond to their swearing and thus assume that she knows she's in the wrong, while all she did were to convince her neighbour for a peace talk. She asked for a third person to intervene the matter but her neighbour seem to have refused the suggestion as they assume they might lose the backyard to her altogether. The yelling and swearing continues and her neigbour starts camping on the backyard that she claims hers. But she is still hopeful for a peace talk though the armed men at her backyard continue to point the guns at her.

She wants peace. She is afraid of a neighbour who would threaten to kill her if she refuse to give up her backyard. This is what she feels.

*Give Peace A Chance, Malaysian For Peace*

sanhen

March 15th, 2005, 03:29 AM

lol,
a longer and good analogy.

but renting and selling doesnt really make a difference. it is still a tresspassing of territory.

however, you remind of one thing.. indonesia did give some company a concession in that area too in the 60s. details and about how malaysia response at that time, i dont know.

anyway, lets stop this thread hijacking, i will not response here any longer, lets continue the discussion in the right thread here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=107194

Lastresorter

March 15th, 2005, 10:07 PM

Hehe... agree... :)

Yamauchi

March 16th, 2005, 07:21 AM

Japan to provide Indonesia with antipiracy speed boat

(Kyodo) _ Japan will give Indonesia a high-speed patrol boat as part of its aid to help the Southeast Asian nation crack down on pirates in the Malacca Strait, government officials said Wednesday.

Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura told parliament the same day that the government will thrash out details of the plan "as soon as possible."

The plan emerged in the wake of a pirate attack Monday in the Malacca Strait in which three crewmembers of a Japanese tugboat were kidnapped by an armed group.

Japanese officials said Japan will send a fact-finding team by the end of next fiscal year through March 2006 to Indonesia to determine the type of vessel to be provided through consultations with Indonesian authorities.

The Japanese government plans to give Indonesia a patrol boat currently in use by the Japan Coast Guard or a similar vessel to be built anew.

JCG patrol ships are equipped with machine guns and other weapons. But they would be removed when the vessel is delivered to Indonesia.

In 2003, then Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri asked Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to provide patrol boats to curb piracy attacks.

Machimura told Indonesian Vice President Yusuf Kalla when they met in Indonesia in January that Japan would send a fact-finding team tasked with deciding the type of boat in fiscal 2005, the officials said.

David-80

March 16th, 2005, 02:59 PM

Gam is behind all the piracy...no doubt about it..its been known for quite sometimes. And this article is misleading, i thought sofyan daud already shot dead a year ago? thejakartapost was reporting it and GAM is acknowledge if sofyan has been killed by the Army of the Raiders division

Malaysian police say Aceh rebels may be behind Japanese tugboat attack

KUALA LUMPUR (AFP): Indonesian separatist rebels may have carried out the armed attack on a Japanese tugboat in the Malacca Strait and the kidnapping of three crewmen, Malaysia's marine police said Wednesday.

"The pirates are from Indonesia. They may be GAM rebels. I will not rule it out," Mokhtar Othman, operations officer for Malaysia's northern region marine police, told AFP.

Mokhtar said the fact the pirates were well armed and "had something like a rocket launcher" pointed to the involvement of Free Aceh Movement (GAM) rebels, who since 1976 have been waging a revolt in the north of Sumatra island.

Marine police commander Abdul Rahman Ahmad, quoted by the national news agency Bernama, said the pirates are believed to have crossed over into Indonesian waters and to be hiding out on an island off north Sumatra.

"The victims have been taken across (to Indonesia) and we believe they are hiding on an island over there," he said.

GAM spokesman Sofyan Daud denied the rebels were behind the attack, saying they had never been involved in piracy in the Malacca Strait. "We are freedom fighters, not pirates," he told AFP by telephone.

The London-based International Maritime Bureau (IMB) has in the past suggested that GAM rebels could be involved in piracy and warned ships to stay clear of Aceh's coast.

The Japanese tugboat was on its way from Indonesia's Batam island to Myanmar on Monday when the pirates kidnapped 56-year-old captain Nobuo Inoue, 50-year-old chief engineer Shunji Kuroda and a Filipino crewman identified by Manila as Sangdang Paliawan,31. (**)

Lastresorter

March 16th, 2005, 08:09 PM

I thought Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore have a joint operation to patrol on Malacca Strait??? So I assume the cooperation fails.

Lastresorter

March 16th, 2005, 08:10 PM

I thought Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore have a joint operation to patrol on Malacca Straits??? So I assume the cooperation fails.

David-80

March 17th, 2005, 02:27 PM

Not fail, considering how big and almost more than 400 ships passing the straits, you could imagine how difficult is it to prevent piracy. But something you gotta note, the piracy rates was down after the joint patrol and it was dissapearing after the tsunami. Now it started again and i think they can deal with it even better right now, since my assumption is the pirates logistic and arms power are weakening thus they are now kidnapping the crewmen for a ransom or money.
Before, they hijacked and stolen whatever it is on the ship, even if its not worth more than 2 dollars.

cheers

Alvin

March 23rd, 2005, 01:47 PM

Amid border dispute, defense minister proposes Rp 5t budget for Navy, Air Force

JAKARTA (JP): Amid a border dispute with Malaysia over the Ambalat block in the Sulawesi sea, Minister of Defense Juwono Sudarsono said on Wednesday that his ministry had proposed a Rp 5 trillion (US$531 million) budget for the development of the Indonesian Navy and Air Force.

"We are recommending nothing as regards the currentnegotiations with Malaysia over Ambalat, but have proposed the budget for the Navy and Air Forces," Juwono told reporters.

He claimed that the budget proposal was primarily based on the need to develop the Navy and Air Force.

Meanwhile, Air Force spokesman First Marshall Sagom Tamboen told Antara news agency that the Air Force would propose the purchase of six additional Sukhoi jet fighters and spare parts for Hercules C-130 planes.

Navy spokesman First Admiral Abdul Malik Yusuf said the Navy would use the allocation for buying submarines, speed boats and missiles. (ade/*)

David-80

March 23rd, 2005, 10:34 PM

I hope that 5 trillion is for yearly basis, $531 million for 6 sukhois, submarines and missiles are very insufficient. Considering how expensive sukhois and submarines are...

cheers

Sielo

March 25th, 2005, 09:06 AM

Jakarta to boost defence spending

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - The Indonesian government will ask parliament to boost this year's defence budget by US$538 million (euro415 million), media reported Thursday.

The planned increase comes amid a dispute between Indonesia and neighbouring Malaysia over an offshore oil and gas field that included a naval standoff, though Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono said the funding boost had been planned before the latest tensions.

Juwono told lawmakers on Wednesday the funds would be used to purchase missile boats for the navy and more reconnaissance aircraft and Russian-made Sukhoi fighter-bombers for the air force, The Jakarta Post newspaper reported.

Juwono, who was named to his post in November by newly elected President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, has repeatedly complained about the lack of funding for Indonesia's 400,000 strong armed forces.

The official defence budget - amounting to the equivalent of about US$2.5 billion (euro1.9 billion) dollars - covers only about a third of the armed forces' spending, the remainder of which comes from a network of military-run businesses and foundations.

Some analysts say a large portion of the non-budget funds- which are not subject to government control or independent audit - comes from criminal activities such as illegal logging, prostitution and drug running.

Sudarsono has been pressing for a tripling of the defence budget so the government could eventually end military's reliance on outside sources of financing and assert civilian control over the politically powerful generals.

Yamauchi

March 29th, 2005, 07:48 PM

Indonesia and US navy to hold first joint exercise in four years

JAKARTA (AFP): Indonesian and US navies will hold their first joint exercise in four years in the Java Sea in July after Washington lifted military restrictions, an Indonesian navy spokesman said Tuesday.

Lt.Col. Guntur Wahyudi said the program, dubbed Cooperation Afloat, Readiness and Traning (CARAT), would involve 1,500 navy personnel from both countries.

"The exercise ... will resume after it was halted in 2000 due to the US embargo," Wahyudi was quoted as saying by the national news agency Antara.

A navy officer told AFP that apart from conducting naval exercises, personnel of both countries would fix roads and provide free medical treatment for the people in Surabaya, the capital of East Java province.

The CARAT initiative, which began in 1995, also sees the US hold joint annual exercises with Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore andThailand.

The United States decided in late February to resume training members of the Indonesian armed forces.

The US imposed restrictions on contacts after the Indonesian military in November 1991 massacred pro-independence protesters in East Timor.

The restrictions were further tightened in 1999 after the Indonesian army was accused of being behind the killing of about 1,500 people in East Timor in an unsuccessful bid to prevent the territory from gaining independence.

David-80

March 30th, 2005, 02:08 PM

Guys, on monday, dephan represent the approval budget for the airforce and Navy. This budget is for 6 more SU-30MK jet fighters and submarines.

And today, they represent the house with extra budget for about 2,1 Billion USD for this year alone. Which mainly is for "ambalat protection". I wonder what Indonesia can get with 2.1 billion...hmm maybe dozen of corvettes or 30 more sukhois.

cheers

sanhen

March 30th, 2005, 04:14 PM

Increase the welfare of the soldiers!!!!

Fir3blaze

March 30th, 2005, 06:22 PM

$2.1 Billion is a lot of money. I hope they can use it to both buy new equipments and increase the welfare of soldiers. Man, these men / women risk their lives for our nation. Anyway, it'll also help prevent soldiers from being paid thugs as their second occupation.

Ara

March 30th, 2005, 06:26 PM

Increase the welfare of the soldiers!!!!
I agree completely. We've already had way too many mafia like organization within the military. It's time to clean up the military and take care of its soldiers. They should not be expecting their paychecks to pay their kids education from the generals or some business. The government should be paying them enough to be comfortable in life.

sanhen

March 30th, 2005, 07:02 PM

Let see....

Budget = US$2.100.000.000
Total soldiers = ~700.000 personel

So....... US$2.100.000.000 / 700.000 = US$3.000 / personel.
Assuming US$1 = Rp.9.500 ---> Rp.28.500.000 / personel per year.. which calculates to only Rp.2.375.000 / month!!!!

I think Rp. 2 million income per month is not that big isnt it? Standard low salaryman income in Jakarta, no? Of course it'll worth more outside Jakarta, but still..

*sigh*.. I guess our military is really underbudget............

Yamauchi

March 30th, 2005, 09:48 PM

There are not 700,000 active personnel, closer to 300,000. Definitely good news about the defense spending increase, though.

sanhen

March 31st, 2005, 04:05 AM

heheheh
i got that 700k number from somewhere
i know its big, but i think its include police and any other element
dunno its correct or not

David-80

March 31st, 2005, 03:49 PM

The total armed forces power are 400,000 personel. Basically the police department is under different division with the armed forces, thus different budget allocation.

cheers

David-80

April 5th, 2005, 02:31 PM

I think the military should spend the budget on increasing defense capabilities by purchasing and transfering the technology of newer arms, Yet also try to increase the salaries of the soldiers. Because creating a new command and strategic operational is very expensive.

These are what the Indonesian defense has been lacking so far.....its the weak
logistical and transport support combined with lack of vision for the future program and development. Its a pitty when you are looking at how dedicated and courages the soldiers are in the field.

Critics caution over rise in military spending

Tiarma Siboro, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Critics of the military are worried that the government's proposal to increase the defense budget this year would be used to expand the Army's much-criticized territorial function.

The Ministry of Defense has proposed to the House of Representatives a Rp 5 trillion (US$538 million) increase in the 2005 defense spending from the current Rp 21.6 trillion.

Meanwhile, the Army is planning to establish 22 new territorial commands nationwide; develop three new military commands in Riau and Bangka-Belitung, and Merauke in Papua; and a new division of its Strategic Resort Command (Kostrad) in Sorong, also in Papua. The plan was unveiled by Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Djoko Santoso during a recent meeting with the House of Representatives Commission I on political, security, and foreign affairs.

Minister of Defense Juwono Sudarsono seemed to support the plan, saying the expansion was crucial to help ensure security in the country.

But human rights activists Usman Hamid and Zoemrotin K. Soesilo were concerned the move would hamper the process of democracy in the country and allow the Army to further strengthen its role in the business sector.

"The presence of more territorial commands will have three consequences: First, it will endanger the democratization process. Second, it will ensure the military continues its (illegal) timber business. Thirdly, it will mean we will continue to be unable to prevent rampant human rights abuses from taking place," Usman said.

Military analyst Andi Widjajanto from the University of Indonesia said that the Army's plan to develop more territorial offices was against the military's internal reform drive.

"If the Army is concerned about the development of defense capacity, it must develop its strike force units in several strategic areas instead of establishing (territorial) institutions that have a structure parallel with civilian administrations," Andi said.

The Army's plan to set up new military base in Papua comes amid an ongoing investigation into the involvement of TNI officials in illegal logging and timber smuggling in the province.

The investigation comes after a report made by the London-based Environmental Investigation Agency (EIA) and the Indonesian environmental group Telapak last month that accused security officers and government officials of being involved in the smuggling of 300,000 cubic meters of timber a month from Indonesia (mostly Papua province) to China.

The two NGOs identified the Sorong, Manokwari, Fak Fak, Nabire and Serui regencies in Papua as the main illegal logging hotspots, from which the logs are shipped to the Chinese port of Zhangjiagang.

A report by an internal TNI investigation team obtained by The Jakarta Post shows that the Army, the Navy and police officers are all involved in the logging.

According to the report, the several timber companies in Papua are engaged in "a coordination" arrangement with TNI officers, police personnel, customs officers and forestry officials, who are paid between Rp 50 million and Rp 500 million.

"This coordination is a various levels, from the commander in charge of the Navy's ships, commander of the Navy's sea defense area, the operational assistant to the Navy's eastern fleet, the Navy's eastern fleet commander to the Navy chief's operational assistant," the report says.

In the police, the funds are also distributed at all levels; from police precinct commander to the Papuan police chief, it says.

Spokespeople from the security forces could not be reached for comment.

David-80

April 5th, 2005, 05:08 PM

Oh yeah, I think we should get one of these.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_cannon-lg.jpg

The skywalker era has just started....

cheers

sanhen

April 5th, 2005, 05:20 PM

Or maybe some of these:
its from skywalker era too btw :)

http://aliens.humlak.cz/aliens/Aliens_papirove_modely/wip/pics/deathstar2.jpg

macgyver

April 6th, 2005, 09:05 AM

Oh yeah, I think we should get one of these.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_cannon-lg.jpg

The skywalker era has just started....

cheers

Agree Agree ......

THEL ...or MTHEL .... he he he ....

But is it enough money to buy that ? ..... maybe for just 1 THEL/MTHEL .... he he he ......

How much does it cost anyway ? anybody know ? :)

David-80

April 6th, 2005, 02:04 PM

I dont think its for sale yet, northrop still use it for trial. But i expect the price will go as high as what patriot or S300's price today. maybe even more expensive.

cheers

Yamauchi

April 10th, 2005, 06:36 AM

It is going to be a lot more expensive, I think. Probably about $100 million for each system.

ncon

April 10th, 2005, 04:48 PM

indonesia plan to build nuclear weapon for defense (i think)

Indonesia moving ahead with plans for nuclear power

PARIS (AFP) Mar 21, 2005
Indonesia is moving ahead with plans for a civilian nuclear power program, Jakarta's ambassador to the UN atomic agency Thomas Aquino Sriwidjaja said in Paris on Monday.
Speaking at a conference on nuclear power here, Sriwidjaja said Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, was "preparing to operate a nuclear power plant by most likely in the next decade."

Like Iran, which the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agencyis investigating on US charges that it is secretly developing nuclear weapons, Indonesia is a major oil producer.

Nevertheless, Sriwidjaja said Indonesia is having difficulties meeting its domestic energy demand. "The oil and gas reserves in Indonesia are insufficient to balance the rapidly increasing demand for energy, particularly in the form of electricity," he said.

An IAEA-supported study found that Indonesia needs an energy mix "in which the contribution of oil should be reduced and replaced by gas, coal, renewable energy and other alternative energy, including nuclear energy," Sriwidjaja said.

He said Indonesia was seeking help from developed nuclear states in technology, investment and research and would fight anti-nuclear sentiment with a public information program.

Indonesia has also implemented anti-terrorist measures to protect its nuclear research facilities.

David-80

April 10th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Encon, theres already news about that on the other thread.

The nuclear power is not for defense but for energy and electricity.

cheers

Alvin

April 13th, 2005, 01:11 AM

Indonesia bans army business ties

The army is being told to concentrate on military matters
Indonesia's military has announced that it will close down its lucrative business ventures within two years.
The country's armed forces control a huge business empire ranging from golf courses and luxury hotels to building firms and fish sellers.

The announcement comes after a pledge by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to clean up public life.

Critics have long accused the Indonesian military of involvement with illegal logging and prostitution.

Indonesia's military chief, Gen Endriartono Sutarto, made the announcement after a meeting of the heads of the navy, army and air force in Jakarta.

"Whether [their assets] amount to one trillion rupiah ($105m) or five million ($525), they will no longer exist in two years," he told a news conference.

President's pledge

The military turned to private business ventures during years of low central funding under Indonesia's former dictator General Suharto.

Pledging to dismantle the businesses, Gen Sutarto admitted some of the ventures had had "negative effects" despite being profitable.

President Yudhoyono has pledged to root out corruption
Legislation passed in 2004 required the military to end business activities within five years, but Gen Sutarto brought that forward to 2007.

The military has been dogged by accusations of involvement in illegal activities including logging and poaching.

But it has come to rely on profits from businesses as funding has remained low since Gen Suharto's fall.

Currently the central government covers just 30% of the military's funding needs, the Reuters news agency reports.

President Yudhoyono has vowed to root out corruption since he came to power, and the country's military has seen its once vast power steadily eroded.

The military lost its 38 guaranteed seat in parliament earlier this year.

In 2003 Gen Sutarto was forced to ban the military from undertaking private security work for foreign governments and corporations, after the US government and oil giant BP were found to be relying on Indonesian troops for protection.

"We are not mercenaries," the general insisted.

(BBC.co.uk)

David-80

April 13th, 2005, 11:07 AM

After with Australia air force, next Marinir and TNI AL will have joint exercise with the Navy seals and US navy in Java sea. I am waiting this exercises, whos win? Paskal vs navy seals?

Australia and Indonesia resume military exercises

The Indonesian and Australian air forces have launched their first joint military exercise since relations between the two countries plummeted over Jakarta-sponsored violence in East Timor nearly six years ago, the government said Wednesday.

Indonesia scrapped a defense treaty with Canberra when Australia led a U.N. military force against pro-Jakarta militias who razed East Timor and killed up to 1,000 people after the Indonesian province voted for independence. All joint military training was canceled.

But relations have been on the mend in recent years, with both sides working closely together after the 2002 Bali bombings and the December tsunami.

Last week, Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono signed an agreement to create a new security pact when he made his first official trip to Australia.

As part of the agreement, Prime Minister John Howard guaranteed Australia would not support secessionists in the provinces of Aceh and West Papua.

Defense Minister Robert Hill said Wednesday the joint air force exercise which began Tuesday reflected the renewed commitment between the two countries to strengthen their defense relationsExercise Albatros Ausindo is a further opportunity to build the relationship and it demonstrates the cooperation and our shared commitment to maritime security," Hill said in a statement, adding that both sides would look for ways to deepen their military ties.

The exercise involves maritime surveillance conducted by an Indonesian Air Force B737 Surveiller aircraft and a Royal Australian Air Force AP-3C Orion and will run until the end of the week. The exercise was last conducted in 1998.

The Indonesian navy will participate in a regional defense exercise in northern Australian waters in August, Hill said.

A joint naval exercise between Indonesia and Australia involving patrol boats was also being considered for later this year, he said.

macgyver

April 14th, 2005, 02:48 PM

Alvin

April 25th, 2005, 06:55 PM

Indonesia Jajaki Kerjasama Industri Pertahanan Dengan RRC
Senin, 25 April 2005 | 18:46 WIB

TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta:Pemerintah tengah menjajaki kerjasama di bidang industri pertahanan dengan Pemerintah Republik Rakyat Cina (RRC). Bentuk kerjasama yang tengah dijajaki ini adalah berupa bantuan teknis dari RRC terhadap empat industri strategis peralatan pertahanan di Indonesia.

Keempat industri strategis yang sebelumnya pernah dikaji dan kini sedang dikaji ulang oleh pihak RRC, yakni PT Dirgantara Indonesia, PT Dahana, PT PAL dan PT Pindad. “Kami sedang menunggu hasil kajian ulang tersebut,” kata Menteri Pertahanan Juwono Sudarsono seusai mendampingi Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono menerima kunjungan kenegaraan Presiden RRC Hu Jintao di Istana Merdeka, Senin (25/4).

Dalam tiga bulan ke depan, ia bersama Menteri Perindustrian Andung Nitimiharja dan Menteri Riset dan Teknologi Kusmayanto Kadiman akan berkunjung ke Beijing, RRC.
“Untuk mengkaji kemungkinan kerjasama di bidang industri pertahanan yang ada kaitannya dengan kemampuan Cina untuk memberikan fasilitas dan kerjasama,” ujarnya.

Juwono memberi contoh, bentuk bantuan teknis dari RRC untuk industri pertahanan dalam negeri misalnya dalam pembuatan persenjataan ringan baik untuk TNI Angkatan Darat, Laut maupun Udara.

Meski menjalin kerja sama dengan Cina, tapi Indonesia tetap membina hubungan dengan semua negara, termasuk AS. “Kalau mereka tidak rewel dengan soal-soal HAM dan soal lain kita tetap membuka hubungan dengan semua negara,” katanya.

Selain keempat industri pertahanan tersebut, menurut Juwono, Presiden Yudhoyono telah meminta Departemen Pertahanan menindak lanjuti kerjasama untuk semua industri yang berhubungan dengan peralatan pertahanan. Tujuannya adalah untuk mencapai kemandirian dalam pengadaan alat utama sistem senjata (alutsista) yang dibutuhkan oleh TNI. Dimas Adityo

macgyver

April 28th, 2005, 07:52 AM

Grey, U kidding me? Philippines only got 2 F-5s? I'm sure they got other types of combat aircrafts right?

By they way, aside from the Sigma corvettes, TNI-AL is also engaging some local companies (PT PAL, LEN, PINDAD, etc) to design and build a corvette class vessel. Haven't seen the designs yet though.

About the BVRs, they should come soon, man...I mean our Sukhois have been sitting around "teethless" for almost a year now.

Is it true that ...

We order 2 Sigma Class ....
and
the other 2 will be jointly built with Indonesia Strategic Companies ( PAL, LEN, PINDAD etc. )

So we are going to have 4 Sigma Class Crovettes ?
Which type that will be built in PT PAL Surabaya ?

Fir3blaze

April 28th, 2005, 01:39 PM

That's what i heard, Mac. 4 Sigma class. But it may also mean other crafts built by PAL, outside the 4 Sigmas. Can anyone correct me if i'm wrong?

David-80

April 28th, 2005, 03:06 PM

2 Sigmas are going to be built in Netherlands, while the other 3 will be build in PT PAL. The deal done last year is including technology transfer and rights to build the same ships in Indonesia.

As for buying fighters from China. I am yet to convince with Chinese technology. So i prefer Indonesia to buy from russian or european manufacturs rather.

cheers

Marshal

April 28th, 2005, 06:28 PM

China Will be the Super Power ........ followed by India ....

I hope Indonesia could be no #3 .... :)

Unless I am Mistaken .... Robert Kiyosaki Once Said .....

China : " We can Make What US Make " ............. CHEAPER ..!!!

http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fj8_p_01_l.jpg
http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fj8_p_02_l.jpg
http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fj8_p_03_l.jpg
http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fj8_p_04_l.jpg http://www.blue-chips.net/images/PRC/j-8II.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-8-2_11.jpg

Is that the FC-1 / JF-17 you posted??

Has the "issues" with it been completely resolved i.e. avionics, engine as what I read, Russia is not allowing the engine to be exported out of china yet!!

And I agree with David-80!!!

If Indonesia can get jets from other sources, it could and is like gettin flankers from Russia and F16s from US!

Marshal

April 28th, 2005, 06:31 PM

...

Lol Bapu editted your post Spido lol :D

Marshal

April 28th, 2005, 06:34 PM

?
What Marshal talking about?

The indonesian malaysian conflicts!!!

Marshal

April 28th, 2005, 06:36 PM

David-80

April 29th, 2005, 11:24 AM

Indonesia military budget is 3,5 Billion US dollar, about 1-2% from Indonesia Total GDP. Thats very small compare to Pakistan/India if you're talking about "poverty and underdevelopness"

The reason why the budget is smaller compare with other nation is not that Indonesia cant afford huge military spending. But its the government aim to focus on economy and social problem instead. Afterall, Indonesia has no country to invade or possesing a threats anyway. All the armed forces gotta do is protecting the borders and insurgency. The extra budget that Sielo posted is to buy new corvettes, submarines and jet fighters.

cheers

Marshal

April 30th, 2005, 02:39 AM

macgyver

May 3rd, 2005, 01:04 PM

KoArMaBar : Komando Armada Barat : Western Fleet

1. KRI PATI UNUS - 384
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/patiunus.jpg

2. KRI SUTAN TAHA S - 376
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/sultantaha.jpg

3. KRI TELUK CELUKAN BAWANG - 532
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/celukanbawang.jpg

4. KRI SIBARAU - 847
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/sibarau.jpg

5. KRI IMAM BONJOL - 383
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/imambonjol.jpg

6. KRI LEMADANG - 867
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/KRI-867.JPG

7. KRI TELUK PELENG - 535
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/KRI-tpl-535.jpg

8. KRI TSG - 536
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/kri-tsg-536.JPG

9. KRI SILASPAPARE - 386
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/kri-sre-386.jpg

10. KRI TEUKU UMAR - 385
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/teukuumar.jpg

11. KRI PULO RONDO - 725
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/puloromdo.jpg

12. KRI SILIMAN - 848
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/siliman.jpg

13. KRI CUT NYAK DIEN - 375
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/CND%20375.jpg

14. KRI TODAK - 803
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/kri-803.JPG

15. KRI TELUK CIREBON - 543
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/KRI-TCN-543.JPG

16. KRI PTM - 371
http://www.tnial.mil.id/armabar/images/galeri/kri-ptm-371.JPG

KoArMaTim : Komando Armada Timur : Eastern Fleet

1. KRI FATAHILLAH - 361
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/361.jpg

2. KRI HIU - 804
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/804.jpg

3. KRI UNTUNG SUROPATI - 872
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/kpl1.jpg

4. KRI KI HAJAR DEWANTARA-364
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/364.jpg

5. KRI SANGKULIRANG - 542
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/amfibi2.jpg

6. KRI MANDAU- 621
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/kri_mdu.jpg

7. KRI PULAU RUPAT- 712
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/kpl00.jpg

8. KRI NANGGALA - 402
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/kri402.jpg

9. KRI KAREL SATSUITUBUN-356
http://www.tnial.mil.id/koarmatim/gallery/356.JPG

Hmm .... Enough to Defend the country ? Don't think so ...

macgyver

May 3rd, 2005, 01:37 PM

+ KD HANG TUAH (76)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_21_frigate/kd_hang%20tuah.jpg

+ KD JEBAT (29)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_23_frigate/kd_jebat_26.jpg

+ KD LEKIU (30)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_23_frigate/kd_lekiu_30.jpg

+ KD KASTURI (25)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_22_corvet/kdkasturi25_1.jpg

+ KD LEKIR (26)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_22_corvet/kd_lekir_26.jpg

+ KD LAKSAMANA HANG NADIM (134)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_24_corvette/kd_hang_nadim.jpg

+ KD LAKSAMANA MUHAMAD AMIN (136)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_24_corvette/kd_muh_amin_136.jpg

+ KD LAKSAMANA TUN JAMIL (135)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_24_corvette/kd_tanpusmah1_137.jpg

+ KD LEDANG (13)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_26_mcmv/mcm_13.jpg

+ KD KINABALU (14)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_26_mcmv/kd_kinabalu_14.jpg

+ KD SRI INDERASAKTI (1503)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_31_mpcss/kd_inderasakti.jpg

+ KD MAHAWANGSA (1504)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_31_mpcss/kd_mahawngsa_1504.jpg

+ KD SRI INDERAPURA (1505)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_32_sealift/kd_inderapura3_1505.jpg

+ KD MUTIARA (151)
+ KD PERANTAU
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_36_hydro/kd_perantau1.jpg

+ KD PERDANA (3501)
+ KD GANYANG (3504)
+ KD GANAS (3503)
+ KD SERANG (3502)

http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_1_fac_m/kd_serang_3502.jpg
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_1_fac_m/kd_ganyang1_3504.jpg

+ KD YU (3508)

http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_6_fac_g/kd_yu_3508.jpg

http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_6_fac_g/labuan.jpg

+ KD MUSYTARI (160)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_16_opv/kd_musytari_160.jpg

+ KD MARIKH (161)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_16_opv/kd_marikh1_161.jpg

+ KD SRI NEGERI SEMBILAN (3146)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_12_pc/kd_n9_3146.jpg

+ KD LEMBING (40)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_13_pc/kd_lembing_40.jpg

+ KD BELADAU (44)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_14_pc/KD%20Beladkd_beladau_44.jpg

+ KD BADEK (37)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_14_pc/kd_badek1_37.jpg

+ KD SRI GAYA (332)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_ftv/ftv1.jpg

+ KTD PENYU (4)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_diving_tender/ktd_penyu.jpg

+ KAPAL LAYAR DIRAJA TUNAS SAMUDERA (A13)
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_tunas/kld_tunas3.jpg
http://navy.mod.gov.my/images/stories/aset/skn_14_pc/kd_kris_34.jpg

macgyver

May 3rd, 2005, 01:56 PM

Indonesia has about 126 Fleet ...
TNI-AL Tentera laut Indonesia mempunyai sekitar 126 kapal perang perbagai kelas dan jenis. Diantara kapal-kapal milik tentera laut Indonesia

http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tentera_laut_Indonesia

Ha ha ha
Indonesia can now build many small fleet ....( TNI facilities ) Cool ...
And ..
P.T. PAL ... Has already build many ships ....

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
http://www.cvl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kazmi/KRI.html

Alvin

May 7th, 2005, 02:05 PM

Top diplomat, Indonesia discuss military ties Sat May 7, 4:29 AM ET

JAKARTA (Reuters) - A top U.S. diplomat met Indonesia's president on Saturday and discussed a revival in military ties between the two countries as well as reconstruction efforts in the tsunami-hit Aceh province.

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Neither U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick nor President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono spoke to reporters after the meeting and an Indonesian spokesman gave only sketchy details.

"They talked about cooperation in education, investment, military reform and relations with the American military," Dino Patti Djalal told reporters.

He said the two also discussed Yudhoyono's upcoming visit to Washington on May 25-26.

Zoellick is on a tour of Southeast Asia. He will travel to Aceh on Sunday to review U.S. efforts in helping reconstruction.

Djalal said the United States would help with rehabilitation of the road network between the Acehnese capital of Banda Aceh and the city of Meulaboh to the south, a 250 km (155 mile) stretch of key road that was badly damaged by the earthquake and tsunami on December 26.

The massive earthquake sent walls of water smashing into Aceh, leaving more than 160,000 people dead or missing.

Military ties between the United States and Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, have begun to improve.

In February, Washington moved to revive the small but high-profile International Military and Education and Training program that was severed in the early 1990s because of human rights abuses in East Timor. However, other cooperation, including the sale of American arms to Jakarta, is still frozen.

Washington's move to improve military ties with a key ally in the war on terrorism has been condemned by human rights groups, which argue the Indonesian armed forces has yet to properly account for past abuses and undertake enough reforms.

Zoellick has visited Thailand, the Philippines and Vietnam. After Indonesia he travels to Malaysia and Singapore.

sanhen

May 7th, 2005, 03:53 PM

Akhirnya... kita bisa punya presiden yg bisa pake komputer :)

Cegah Koruptor Kabur, SBY Harap Komputer Imigrasi Diperbaiki
Luhur Hertanto - detikcom

Jakarta - Mengapa banyak koruptor yang sudah dicegah tangkal (cekal) tetap bisa kabur ke luar negeri? Ini karena sistem komputerisasi Imigrasi kurang sip. SBY meminta sistem ini diperbaiki.

"Saya lihat komputernya harus diup grade. Prosesnya lambat dan ada beberapa error yang tidak perlu," komentar SBY tak bisa menyembunyikan rasa kecewanya.

SBY mengatakan itu saat melakukan inspeksi mendadak (sidak) ke bagian Imigrasi di Bandara Soekarno-Hatta, Cengkareng, Tangerang, Sabtu (7/5/2005). SBY yang mengenakan kemaja batik coklat lengan pendek didampingi Ibu Negara.

Dalam sidaknya, Presiden mencoba langsung komputer yang berisi database WNI yang dicekal alias tidak boleh pergi ke luar negeri. Saat mencoba komputer di sebuah posko Imigrasi, SBY kecewa karena beberapa kali komputer itu hang. Komputer tua itu beberapa kali gagal menjalankan aplikasi yang dimaui SBY.

SBY lalu pindah ke konter Imigrasi yang tak jauh dari Posko Imigrasi. Dia menjajal komputer lagi dengan memasukkan beberapa nama koruptor yang kini buron. Nama Sudjiono Timan dia ketik. Ketika tekan enter, yang muncul adalah identitas Timan berupa nama, tempat tanggal lahir, alamat, dan rincian kasus.

Tapi SBY tetap saja tampak kecewa. Karena komputer itu tak mampu menampilkan foto pencuri uang negara itu, apalagi identifikasi sidik jari yang sangat penting.

"Itu nggak bener to, orang dicekal kenapa bisa pergi? (Saya harap) supaya tidak terjadi lagi buronan kabur begitu saja bawa uang rakyat banyak sekali," kata pensiunan jenderal bintang empat ini.

Perbaikan sistem komputerisasi daftar cegah tangkal merupakan salah satu kunci guna mencegah kaburnya para koruptor dan masuknya pelaku kriminalitas dari luar negeri. "Dalam menghadapi kejahatan transnasional ini diperlukan gerak cepat dari Imigrasi," tandas SBY.(nrl)

sanhen

May 7th, 2005, 03:54 PM

omg... i post the news in the wrong forum.

macgyver

May 8th, 2005, 01:53 AM

David-80

May 9th, 2005, 01:47 PM

I heard Navy seals and Kopaska are deploying their best of the best frogmen...:)

U.S. Navy SEALs in Indonesia anti-terrorism drill

JAKARTA, May 9 (Reuters) - U.S. Navy Seals and Indonesian forces are practicing anti-terrorism drills, including boarding ships and battling pirates, in a palm-fringed string of resort islands near Jakarta, officials said on Monday. The programme, aimed at improving the ability of the two nations' forces to work closely, was part of a broader effort by Washington to boost regional security, a U.S. official said.
"We are not using any lethal assets. It involves only non-lethal assets," said Max Kwak, a spokesman for the U.S. embassy in Jakarta.

"The war on terror is also part of it," he added, but declined to say where the drills were being held or how many U.S. troops were involved.

Piracy is a big concern for Asian and Western security forces who warn that terrorists could exploit lawlessness in the region, particularly in the key Malacca Strait shipping lane, to launch a crippling attack on global trade.

Fears among some states bordering the strait that the United States was seeking a policing role were a factor behind the launch last year of coordinated patrols by Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore.

"This event is an exercise, not a joint operation at sea between the Indonesian military and the U.S. Pacific Command," said Lieutenant Colonel Edi Fernandi, a spokesman for the Indonesian navy's western fleetKwak said the Subject Matter Expert Exchange programme, under which this month's drills fall, was reinstated last year, after its suspension in the wake of the violence by Indonesia-backed militias following East Timor's 1999 vote for independence.

Military ties between Indonesia and the United States have begun to strengthen in recent months.

However, a senior U.S. official said over the weekend full relations would not be restored until Jakarta accounted for past violence in East Timor and brought to justice those behind the 2002 murder of two American school teachers in remote Papua.

Fernandi said the current exercises began with classroom sessions on May 2 and would finish on May 13.

He said they were being held in the Kepulauan Seribu archipelago just north of Jakarta. Although the name literally means one thousand islands, there are only about 130, many home to tourist resorts.

"On Saturday, we started exercises on Laki Island involving 34 soldiers from the Indonesian navy, seven from the U.S. Navy SEALs, five from the Indonesian army and five from the Indonesian air force," Fernandi said.

"The exercises include anti-piracy and searching a ship in dealing with sea terrorism."

Alvin

May 17th, 2005, 01:17 PM

RI, China to cooperate in rocket development

JAKARTA (Antara): Indonesia will cooperate with China on the development of guided short-, medium- and long-range rockets, in an agreement which will be signed in the middle of this year, State Minister for Research and Technology Kusmayanto Kadiman said on Tuesday.

Kusmayanto said that a cooperation agreement would be signed by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono during his visit to China at the end of June with Chinese President Hu Jiantao.

"We are a maritime country, so state defense should start from there... the long-range missile for example could be stationed on small islands or vessels," Kusmayanto said.

He further said that the Indonesia-China cooperation would be in the form of transfer of technology in which China would send one of its rockets for research and study here.

The cooperation, he said, had actually been explored since 2002 and was formalized when Susilo met with President Hu at the Asian-African Summit last month.

In principal, the President and related ministries had agreed with the joint rocket development and entrusted the office of the Minister of Research and Technology as coordinator of the project, Kusmayanto added. (**)

Zorobabel

June 10th, 2005, 04:17 AM

EU trying to keep the Netherlands from selling equipment to Indonesia.

Dutch Chastised for Warship Sales to Indonesia
June 3, 2005 03:54 PM,
Laksamana.Net - Recent sales of warships from the Netherlands to Indonesia violate the European Union's code of conduct on arms exports, says the European Parliament's rapporteur on military exports, Raül Romeva.

"These projects clearly violate the code of conduct on arms exports, which prohibits arms supplies to unstable regions, countries in conflict and countries in which respect for human rights is disregarded,” he said Thursday (2/6/05).

A statement by the European Parliament’s Greens faction, of which Romeva is a member, said the Dutch government had decided to authorize a national shipyard to build two small corvette warships to be supplied to the Indonesian Navy, on top of an earlier order for two corvettes.

The value of the order is reportedly between €700m and €800m. Another Dutch company is additionally modernizing a military vessel previously delivered to Indonesia, said the Greens.

Romeva expressed concern the vessels could be used by the Indonesian military in Aceh province, where state troops have long been accused of rights abuses in their campaign against separatist rebels.

“In the Aceh conflict in 2003 similar ships were used by the Indonesian authorities during coastal assaults. That issue has not been solved yet and Indonesia is meanwhile ravaged by internal conflicts," he said.

"It is shocking that so soon after the devastating tsunami an EU member state would encourage Indonesia to spend hundreds of millions of euros on new warships. This is not the only case in which European countries are deliberately supplying military equipment to the Indonesian government," he said.

"These reprehensible deals are totally unacceptable at a time when EU representatives at the highest level are saying that the code of conduct's review process is going to be completed in order to improve the efficiency of its implementation. These military orders should be halted immediately."

Zorobabel

June 10th, 2005, 08:35 AM

KAI Has Opened Up the Era of Full-Scale Exporting Indigenous Aircraft

(Source: Korea Aerospace Industries; issued June 2, 2005) (Edited for clarity)

Korea Aerospace Industries, Ltd. said 25th May it had signed an agreement to sell additional five KT-1 air force training aircraft to the Indonesian Ministry of Defense. It is also negotiating the export of 8 (eight) additional KT-1 aircraft to Indonesia.

The KT-1 was jointly developed by KAI and the Agency for Defense Development (ADD). It has been in series production by KAI from the year of 2000.

The KT-1 aircraft is two stepped tandem seating trainer with maximum speed of 648km/hour for primary pilot training.

The first purchase contract of KT-1 was signed with Indonesia in 2001 and seven KT-1s were delivered to the Indonesian Air Force until 2003. KAI projected that Indonesia export orders would be reached 20 aircraft hereafter.

In addition to the KT-1 basic trainer, Indonesia has an increasing interest in the KO-1(low speed Forward Airborne Controller) which is armed version of KT-1. KAI projected that the sales of KT-1 series aircraft would be more increased.

With the best flight performance, the superiority of KT-1 basic trainer is evident in comparison with any competing aircraft. Several countries of Southeast Asia and Central & South America have showed great interest in KT-1 aircraft.

Korean Ministry of Commerce, Industry & Energy sources said “there are around ten countries in the world that have developed their own exporting aircraft model including the United States and the Russia. It was considered as the monopoly of the developed nations but the Korea Aerospace Industries opened up the era of exporting aircraft and entered into the ranks of aerospace developed countries, taking this opportunity of Indonesia additional exports”.

According to aerospace industry sources, Korea Aerospace Industry has obtained excellent results without parallel in the history all over the world aerospace industry that we have an achievement for the development ability of KT-1 basic trainer and T-50 supersonic jet trainer following 10 years from starting the development of aircraft in 1990.

In the case of an aerospace industry, it is required a large-scale fund as a nation strategy industry and a high reliance on government’s demand. By this reason, each nation has brought up aerospace industry in government policy. This exportation is rated as a successful case working in close cooperation with government and business enterprise, because Ministry of Commerce, Industry & Energy has supported the development of KT-1 enhanced trainer for exporting of aerospace industry.

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Just a typical trainer:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/images/kt1-4.jpg

Alvin

August 1st, 2005, 03:53 PM

Jakarta in missile deal with Beijing

By Shawn Donnan in Jakarta and Mure Dickie in Beijing
Published: July 31 2005 20:24 | Last updated: July 31 2005 20:24

Indonesia is seeking China's help in reviving a 41-year-old programme to build short- and medium-range missiles that could be used to replace US fighter jets grounded by a long-running arms embargo, the country's defence minister said on Sunday.

Chinese President Hu Jintao and his Indonesian counterpart, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, signed a series of agreements in Beijing last week meant to flesh out an April declaration that the two had formed a “strategic partnership”.

According to a statement issued afterwards, one agreement called for the two countries to “intensify bilateral co-operation” in defence, “work together in developing each other's defence industries”, and for “co-operation in defence technology”.

Indonesia's defence minister, Juwono Sudarsono, said on Sunday that agreement was meant to help Jakarta develop propulsion and guidance systems for land- and ship-based missiles with a range of up to 150km. The plan was a revival of proposals to develop similar missiles, he said, and was intended to help Indonesia's military diversify and end its current reliance on foreign-built fighter jets as a deterrent.

“We think it's going to be cheaper to offer some kind of deterrence rather than relying on fighter planes,” Mr Sudarsono said.

Six of the country's 10 F-16s are grounded as a result of a US arms embargo implemented in the 1990s because of human rights abuses by Indonesian troops in East Timor.

Jakarta has in recent years turned to Russia to buy Sukhoi fighters as an alternative.

Mr Sudarsono said he was not interested in Chinese fighter jets. Instead, Indonesian officials have been in contact with Chinese companies including North China Industries (Norinco), a state conglomerate, to line up help for a missile programme.

Washington imposed sanctions on Norinco in 2003 for allegedly helping Iran's missile programme.

Indonesia's missiles remain only an idea and any launch is at least five years away, the defence minister conceded.

Efforts dating back to 1964 by Jakarta to develop missile technology have achieved little “because of mismanagement, incompetence, and inter-agency rivalry”, Mr Sudarsono said.

As a result, the agreement between Beijing and Jakarta may cause little alarm in Washington. But it highlights China's growing security influence in Asia. Mr Sudarsono said he expected that within two years military relations with China would make up “40 per cent of our relations”.

Chinese analysts said the “strategic partnership” agreements marked a significant step in the political warming between Beijing and Jakarta.

But they added that China could be reluctant to provide much help to an Indonesian missile programme because of international agreements it has signed.

David-80

September 8th, 2005, 01:55 PM

I just read in local defense magazine, which it said that Indonesia will get additional 12 more sukhois, the 6 sukhois will be delivered by end of the year and the last 6 in the mid of 2006. So in total Indonesia will have 16 SU-27/30 Flankers

the local defense magazine got the news from Sukhoi top director, who just visited Jakarta last july, he also promoted the sukhoi regional jets to hatta rajasa (transport minister)

cheers

cOcO_cHaneL

September 8th, 2005, 03:14 PM

what's sukhois?

Zorobabel

September 8th, 2005, 07:00 PM

Russian defense company. They build Su-27s/30s. Here's a list of China's Su-27s and Su-30s they've lost to accidents:

http://www.taiwanmilitary.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8918

They've lost about 15, at one point 10% of their active fleet.

David-80

September 9th, 2005, 12:33 PM

They lost 15 already? thats really bad record. Considering they dont have active war going on. I also read that the Chinese also tweak and "copying" the Sukhoi, Instead of buying out the whole fleets from Russia. They also receiving their first aircraft carrier from the russian navy.

cheers

Alvin

September 14th, 2005, 03:45 PM

www.parasindonesia.com

September, 14 2005 @ 03:33 pm

Arms Fair Invitation Condemned

A prominent human rights watchdog has decried the British government's decision to invite Indonesia to an arms fair in London, citing ongoing concern over the country's human rights record.

"The Indonesian Defense Forces (TNI) is notorious for its abuse of human rights and for its use of imported military equipment against civilians in East Timor, Aceh and West Papua,” the London-based Indonesia Human Rights Campaign (Tapol) said in a statement issued Monday (12/9/05).

The group said that despite the recent signing of a peace agreement for Aceh, armed troops remaining in the territory are a potential source of instability.

Tapol said troop numbers are being increased substantially in Papua and “ongoing military operations against defenseless villagers have claimed dozens of lives and made thousands homeless”.

"It is outrageous that the government is seeking to increase UK business with the Indonesian military when it should be encouraging a process of demilitarization in Aceh, West Papua and elsewhere," said Tapol spokesman Paul Barber.

"It is also irresponsible for the government to promote further arms sales as Indonesian taxpayers will be paying for previous deals until 2021 and allegations of bribery and corruption have not been adequately addressed," he added.

The Indonesian military played a dominant socio-political role throughout the 32-year regime of former dictator Suharto, who was forced to resign in 1998. Since then, reforms have seen TNI gradually stripped of its formal political powers, with active generals being completely removed from parliament last year. But analysts say the military's real power was never really in its legislative seats – but instead came from its ability to create or quell security problems, as well as its far-reaching presence in legal and illegal businesses. Many of Indonesia’s retired generals have become politicians, enabling TNI to continue to exert its powerful role in political affairs.

Indonesia was among 61 countries invited by the British government’s Defense Export Services Organization (DESO) to the biennial Defense Systems and Equipment International Exhibition and Conference, which is being held in London over September 13-16.

An announcement on the DESO website says the decision to invite Indonesia and the other countries, including China and Libya, was made on account of "current marketing campaigns and longer-term prospects for business".

DESO said a country’s attendance at the arms fair does not mean that licenses would be granted to export to that country any item of equipment on display at the exhibition.

Tank Girl’s Fat Bribe
One of the most controversial sales of British arms to Indonesia was made possible by a massive bribe paid to former president Suharto’s eldest daughter Siti Hardiyanti ‘Tutut’ Rukmana, a British court case revealed last year.

Court documents, details of which were published by the Guardian newspaper, showed that British arms firm Alvis paid £16.5 million ($31 million) to Tutut to secure the sale of 100 light Scorpion tanks and Stormer armored vehicles over 1995-96.

The arms deal had faced strong opposition in Britain at the time because of concerns that Indonesia was using imported military equipment to slaughter civilians in East Timor and elsewhere.

Indonesia’s Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) is now investigating the bribery allegations and the Army’s role in the deal. KPK deputy head Erry Hardjapamekas has said the probe could result in Tutut being brought before the Anti-Corruption Court.

The arms deal raised suspicion of mark-ups, because Indonesia paid $2.5 million for each tank, whereas Singapore and Thailand had bought the same type of tanks at that time for only $1 million.

The purchase was authorized by former Army chiefs Raden Hartono and Wismoyo Arismunandar, who have predictably denied involvement in the corruption. Although they admitted to signing purchase contracts for the tanks, they claimed the deal was arranged and managed by the Defense Ministry. But the Defense Ministry’s director general of procurement Aqlani Maza has said the ministry was not involved in the purchase or the payment at any level.

Tutut has also insisted she is innocent, even though Alvis admitted to paying her the bribe, which it thoughtfully described as an “incentive”.

Defense Minister Juwono Sudarsono has come out on Tutut’s side, saying his ministry found no indications of irregularities in the procurement of the tanks.

TNI’s three branches – the Army, Air Force and Navy – were for decades able to directly purchase weapons, often allegedly involving mark-ups and other corrupt practices. But a new ministerial regulation that came into effect this year gives the Defense Ministry sole responsibility for the procurement of arms for the forces. The government has said the clear listing of each force’s needs and the selection of contractors through open tenders should prevent future mark-ups.

According to the London-based Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), Indonesia’s arms-related debt to Britain stood at £551 million last November.

The British government in January revealed that Indonesia still owes £80.7 million for the Scorpion and Stormer vehicles it bought from Alvis in the 1990s, and £382.7 million for the Hawks from BAE Systems.

CAAT is opposed to all arms exports to Indonesia and says “future generations of Indonesians should not be required to pay the UK back for deals for which the clique around the murderous former dictator Suharto and the UK arms industry and governments are responsible”.

Many Western countries imposed an arms embargo on Indonesia following the military’s 1991 massacre of 271 youths at a cemetery in East Timor. Further massacres of East Timorese in 1999 helped to keep the ban in place. The lengthy embargo has prompted Indonesia to buy arms from countries such as Russia and Korea. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is expected to press for an end to American restrictions on sales of military equipment and spare parts during his trip to the US this week.

By: Roy Tupai | Category: Current Affairs

David-80

September 14th, 2005, 03:53 PM

"It is outrageous that the government is seeking to increase UK business with the Indonesian military when it should be encouraging a process of demilitarization in Aceh, West Papua and elsewhere," said Tapol spokesman Paul Barber.

Hello! Indonesian tax payers needs to get some sort of comfort and security from TNI to protect us from internal and external offensive in the coming future!

cheers

Blue_Sky

September 30th, 2005, 07:26 PM

Puluhan Anggota TNI Bentrok dengan Polisi di Gianyar
Gede Suardana - detikcom

Denpasar - Berawal dari salah paham, puluhan anggota TNI Detasemen Zeni Tempur (Denzipur) Gianyar, Bali bentrok dengan 10 anggota Dalmas Polres Gianyar. Akibatnya, 10 orang polisi masuk rumah sakit.

Peristiwa ini terjadi di areal pintu masuk Pasar Raya Gianyar, Kamis (29/9/2005) malam sekitar pukul 21.30 Wita. Bentrokan itu berawal dari ketersinggungan seorang anggota Denzipur gara-gara diminta menunjukkan tiket masuk petugas loket pasar raya.

Tiba-tiba anggota TNI tersebut memukul petugas loket Pasar Raya Gianyar. Pemukulan tersebut dilihat oleh 10 anggota Dalmas Polres Gianyar yang sedang berjaga-jaga di lokasi. Mereka kemudian mendekat dan melerai.

Salah seorang anggota TNI salah paham ketika melihat anggota Dalmas mendekat dengan membawa pentungan. Akhirnya, salah seorang oknum TNI memukul salah seorang anggota Dalmas. Pecahlah bentrokan saat itu juga.

Tidak berselang lama, puluhan anggota TNI membantu rekannya. Karena kekuatan tidak berimbang, para anggota Dalmas tersebut babak belur. Para anggota Dalmas dilarikan ke RS Sanjiwani Gianyar untuk mendapat perawatan.

Anggota Dalmas yang menjadi korban adalah Wayan Sukarta, Kadek Ariawan, Gede Eka Darmayasa, Wayan Susila, Wayan Sudarmono, ING Anom, Ngakan Adi Eko Putra, Made Budiarta, Edy Sumayadi dan Eka Rismaya. Setelah sempat dirawat di RS Sanjiwani, hari ini, Jumat (30/9/2005), mereka sudah diperbolehkan pulang.

Kapendam IX/Udayana Letkol CAJ IB Gaga Ardhana menyatakan pihaknya menyerahkan sepenuhnya penanganan kasus ini ke POM Dam IX/Udayana. Enam oknum anggota yang terlibat secara langsung melakukan pemukulan, yaitu Praka Aldison, Praka Izzan Akbar, Pratu Darmawan, Prada IB Gunadi, Prada Melky Sedek dan Praka Edi Suryono. Mereka kini masih menjalani pemeriksaan.

Sementara Kasdam IX/Udayana Brigjen TNI Burhanudin Amin ketika mengunjungi korban di RS Sanjiwani, Jumat (30/09/2005) meminta maaf atas jatuhnya korban. Selanjutnya dia bertemu dengan Kapolres Gianyar AKBP Dewa Putu Anom untuk mendinginkan suasana.

"Kasdam memerintahkan semua anggota Denzipur tidak boleh keluar kesatrian selama tujuh hari dan setiap malam anggota di sana harus melakukan apel istimewa dengan mengecek seluruh anggotannya," demikian Gaga.
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Alvin

November 1st, 2005, 08:08 AM

Why is Australia resuming military training with RI?

Imanuddin Razak, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

A number of "whys" immediately entered the minds of many Indonesians -- and perhaps Australians as well -- over a report last week that the Australian government intends to resume annual joint military training with Indonesia's elite forces, Kopassus.

Australian special forces are set to resume training with Kopassus more than five years after ties were suspended over allegations that the latter were behind human rights abuses in East Timor, the former name of Timor Leste. The Sydney Morning Herald said Kopassus commander Maj. Gen. Syaiful Rizal had confirmed that Kopassus troops were scheduled to undergo counterterrorism training with the Perth-based Special Air Services (SAS) regiment next April, and that Australian special forces would then carry out antiguerrilla training in Indonesian jungles.

It's hard to understand Australia's decision to resume joint military training. It is worth an explanation, especially from the side of the Australian government, over why it felt it had to resume such training with Indonesia while it was the Australian government itself that suspended the program in the wake of the 1999 East Timor referendum.

Kopassus was linked to militia gangs that went on a rampage and killed some 1,400 people after Timor Leste voted for independence from Indonesia in a United Nations-sponsored referendum in August 1999. Timor Leste gained full independence in May 2002 after more than two years of UN stewardship.

However, the question is probably not that difficult to answer. As England's Lord Pamerston said one and a half centuries ago: "We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and these interests it is our duty to follow."

A spokesman for the Australian Defense Department revealed that the planned resumption of joint military training was triggered by the Oct. 1, 2005 Bali bombing, which highlighted the importance of continuing to work with Indonesia to combat terrorism.

After five years of "isolating" Kopassus from participating in any international military cooperation, the Australian government likely could not find a fitting partner to combat rampant terror attacks, especially in Indonesia and the Asia-Pacific region in general. It did try to establish cooperation with the Indonesian Police (Polri) after the first Bali blast in October 2002, which killed 202 people including 88 Australians, but the fact that the police have yet to capture the masterminds behind the first and the latest Bali blasts probably forced the Australian government to turn again to Kopassus.

Excluding Indonesia from its global campaign against terrorism was not beneficial to Australia or for the security of the Southeast Asian region. Indonesia has thus looked elsewhere for partners.

For the past few years, Indonesia has been conducting joint military training with Germany. And recently, a decision was taken by the Indonesian government to procure Russian Sukhoi jet fighters after a prolonged military embargo imposed by the United States on Indonesia over alleged human rights abuses by Indonesia's military.

The latest move by Australia also cannot be separated from the global diplomacy of the United States in combating terrorism, especially after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on its landmarks.

It was U.S. President George W. Bush who called Australia America's "sheriff" -- the U.S.'s key ally in combating terrorism in the Southeast Asia region. In an October 2003 interview with local Australian newspapers, Bush heaped praise on Australia and its conservative Prime Minister John Howard for supporting the war on terror.

The policy to resume joint military training has been viewed as uncontroversial, and will not draw any criticism or opposition from countries in the Southeast Asian region.

"No one in the region really will object to this because they're all doing it themselves," said Neil James, executive director of the independent think-tank Australian Defense Association, in a statement last year. He cited the extensive military training programs between the U.S. and Thailand and Malaysia and Singapore, and the U.S.'s limited training programs with Indonesia.

Last but not least, Australia also has an interest in a stable Indonesia. An unstable Indonesia is a threat to Australia; a mass influx of Indonesians escaping instability to Australia threatens Australia's own stability and security.

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Alvin

November 7th, 2005, 09:35 AM

Indonesia blasts US over military ties

Indonesia has criticized some US lawmakers for stalling efforts to restore full military relations between the two countries, calling the move a groundless ploy, local media reported on Monday.

"I see there is no legal basis to accuse Indonesia of not doing anything to meet all requirements for the restoration of military cooperation," Indonesian Defense Minister Juwono Sudarsono was quoted by the Jakarta Post as saying.

He made the comment on the restrictions that the US Senate and House of Representatives put on foreign military finance and exports of lethal military equipment to Indonesia.

The move came as US President George W. Bush seeks approval from the US Congress for 20.9 billion US dollars foreign aid that included military funding for several countries in the Middle East, East Europe and Southeast Asia, including Indonesia.

The US lawmakers said that Indonesian had not done enough to bring to justice perpetrators of an ambush in Timika, Papua province in 2002, which killed two American teachers and an Indonesia citizen working for US owned-mining giant PT Freeport Indonesia.

However, Juwono said that "at the initiative of Indonesian armed forces (TNI) commander, we provide FBI access to the investigation and they concluded later that the TNI was clean."

"As of today, the police with the assistance of the military continue to hunt down the suspects," he said, adding that the Free Papua Movement waged a low-level armed struggle for independence against the central government.

The US lawmakers also required that the US State Department certify that Indonesia was cooperating with the United States in the war on terror in order to receive the aid disbursement.

In this respect, the minister assured that Indonesia was committed to the crackdown on terrorist networks.

Source: Xinhua

Zorobabel

November 8th, 2005, 12:03 AM

Yeah, that's how you make friends, especially considering its the US Congress that collectively has the restrictions on the Indonesian military.

MARINHO

November 8th, 2005, 01:34 AM

Indonesia should not bow for the USA.
Under the influence of the USA IMF loans where not granted. Now they refuse to lift the leathal weapon embargo. For what?

Indonesia always assisted the US during cold-war days. At that time the Indonesian Armed Forces (ABRI) also commited human right violations while the US congress was fully aware of that. The US Congress did nothing against it!

And now while Indonesia is one of the biggest democracies in the world, with it's first directly chosen president, financial reforms and active fight against terrorism/extremism, the US Congress is refusing and are slowing the process of lifting the embargo. What the hell are they doing?

Whe've seen what the US embargo did during the tsunami disaster, the TNI had a shortage of airworthy flying equipment. Almost no helicopters, aircraft to assist innocent people.

Maybe there are groups in the US who are scared of a powerfull natural recources rich (muslim majority)Indonesia.

sanhen

November 8th, 2005, 01:39 AM

Alvin

November 8th, 2005, 02:18 AM

And again US also need to alter world attention from his invasion on other countries to other 'more interesting news' - Indonesia is a country with the biggest moslem population. And also to prove that US is still the hero for human rights. For me, all of this are for publicity only. And maybe US senate/congress have nothing else to do...

yeah, they should stop dwelling on the past (e.g. investigation of the murder of two american journalists in papua in 2000 - big deal) and focus on the future (like, what cooperation in goodwill between the world's two large democracies can achieve for the benefit of the world). The US has an important strategic interest in a well-equipped, capable and sufficiently-funded indonesian military, for security and stability in south-east Asia.

Zorobabel

November 8th, 2005, 07:07 AM

Mr. Sudarsono was the one that made this news.

corduroy

November 9th, 2005, 06:44 AM

We should stop "begging" for US to end arms embargo. We should have switch to other weapons sources a long time ago, like Russia and China. These senators will never lift the embargo until they see Indonesia break to pieces and Papua gain independence.

We must teach these arrogant senators a lesson by saying "go to hell" like Sukarno and immediately source our weapons elsewhere. Never allow ourselves to be treated like slaves at the mercy and whims of these criminal foreign senators.

Meanwhile, start building domestic military industry. These days, all our small arms (automatic rifles, pistols, grenades, mortars, etc) are already domestically made by PT PINDAD. We also already produce our own corvettes, APCs, helicopters, and transport planes. We must send some experts to Russia or China to get technology on military industry, later when the govt has enough money, start build more extensive military industry so no country can use "weapons embargo" to dictate out internal policies and treat us like slaves! Berdikari (Berdiri di atas kaki sendiri) must always be the objective!

Indonesia to look for new arms suppliers

www.chinaview.cn 2005-11-08 15:36:30

JAKARTA, Oct. 8 (Xinhuanet) -- The Indonesian government will haveto look for alternative arms suppliers with the United States appearing likely to extend its military embargo against the country, according to a senior minister.

"We have many strategic alternatives ... for developing our military strength. We will not be depending solely on the United States," Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal and Security Affairs Widodo Adi Sucipto was quoted Tuesday by The Jakarta Post as saying.

He was commenting on reports that US lawmakers recently renewed their campaign to convince the administration to extend a 13-year military embargo imposed on Indonesia.

"We need to face this reality by preparing other alternatives,"Widodo said.

Indonesia's military equipment has been steadily deteriorating as a result of the arms embargo by the United States, which was imposed following the gross human rights violations in the former province of East Timor.

Government officials and Indonesian Military (TNI) officers have done some "window-shopping" in several countries. Indonesia has also purchased jet fighters and helicopters from Russia.

The TNI is unlikely to purchase new arms for another two years because of the government's current financial difficulties, but itcould start expanding its equipment purchases in 2007 if the country's economy continues to strengthen.

Indonesia, Southeast Asia's largest economy, needs a strong military force not only to address threats at home, such as separatist movements, but also as a deterrent against neighboring countries, most of which have updated their military capacity, the newspaper said.

Widodo, however, said military cooperation with the US had already been revived in certain areas, pointing out the US assistance for training TNI personnel and the resumption of spare parts supplies for Hercules aircraft.

"As an example, the United States recently disbursed some 1 million US dollars worth of assistance for a joint training program between the navies of the two countries," Widodo said. Endite

Well, it's about time. Those Americans can go to hell!

David-80

November 10th, 2005, 02:26 PM

The problem is not that easy, If we go for China, we might get a better offer than Russian or American hardwares but chinese arms product has been known in the world for their short-period lifetime and most of them are not combat proven yet China wont sell their arms 100% the same technology with its prototype to foreign countries. I heard a lot of horror stories about the fate of Chinese hardwares in foreign countries.

Now if we go for Russian hardwares, its simply very expensive for TNI to maintain and purchase the parts/hardwares. For example, Su-30MK needs about 5-10 times much cost to maintain than F-16 or Rafale.

US products are still the best solution for TNI in term of maintainance costs and hardware capabilities but its being destroyed by the Image of US politics intervenes every arms selling in this part of the world or let me say in other words...Too much politics !

The best solution for Indonesia is to have a deal with Russian company, so we can get tech transfer and to assist us in building our own military hardwares in the country, that way we can produce as many as we can and maintain as many as we possibly can. PT DI, Pindad and PT PAL are very capable to do that, they have one of the best military and commercial factory in the region.

the deal between Russia and Indonesia are getting closer, as Indonesia also offered Biak as a space shuttle launcher and terminal station for Russia space agency. Looking from how Biak is very strategic to launch a space rocket.

cheers

macgyver

November 15th, 2005, 09:40 AM

F-ian

November 15th, 2005, 09:47 AM

the deal between Russia and Indonesia are getting closer, as Indonesia also offered Biak as a space shuttle launcher and terminal station for Russia space agency. Looking from how Biak is very strategic to launch a space rocket.

cheers

Where's Biak? is it in Indonesia?

macgyver

November 15th, 2005, 10:05 AM

Where's Biak? is it in Indonesia?

Yes It is in Papua.
Northern Part .

The Biak has been sometime considered as an ideal place to launch the space shuttle as it is near the equator ( satellite orbit ) ... so that it will reduce the cost of the satellite because the fuel to place the satellite in its position will be less.

In Sohaerto Era and in Habibie Era ... some investor from several countries had already talked to build this fascility here. But ... nothing happen yet.

sanhen

November 15th, 2005, 10:46 AM

The plan still going. I think several study has been completed. But implementation is no where to be seen.

Blue_Sky

November 16th, 2005, 11:31 AM

TNI welcome GAM chief Tiro's return to Aceh

The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Indonesian Military chief Gen. Endriartono Sutarto would welcome the possible return of Hassan Tiro, the self-exiled leader of the Free Aceh Movement (GAM), to the province.

"Yes. He (Hassan) has the right to come here in accordance with the memorandum of understanding (on Aceh peace). He will face no legal consequences if he visits Indonesia," Endriartono said at the State Palace.

Endriartono said he had been informed about the possible arrival of Hassan, the senior GAM leader, who has been living in Sweden and been granted citizenship there.

The TNI chief hopes Hassan will visit Indonesia "as a good man" who supports the peace process in the tsunami-devastated province.

GAM leaders in Aceh could not be reached for comment.

The Aceh Monitoring Mission (AMM), which oversees the implementation of the peace deal in the province, has called on Acehnese leaders in exile to come back to Aceh due to improved security following the signing of the accord.

Mohammed Nur Djuli and Bakhtiar Abdullah were the first GAM leaders in exile to return to Aceh.

The peace-building process has continued to pick up pace as both sides have implemented three of the four disarmament and troop withdrawal stages.

GAM is currently handing over more weapons to the AMM, a process that will be completed on Thursday.

Endriartono said the TNI was committed to meeting the targets set out in the peace agreement, which was signed in August.

He said that the TNI would withdraw more than 5,500 troops from Aceh soon after GAM completed the third round of weapons decommissioning. The police, meanwhile, will withdraw 1,350 officers from the province.

"We accepted some of the weapons but rejected others. As of now, however, I can see their bona fides and, hopefully, it will continue," Endriartono said.

GAM surrendered 570 firearms in the first two stages of disarmament. They are required to hand in 840 weapons in four stages up until the end of the year.

Under the peace agreement, Indonesia must pull out some 6,000 of its 27,000 troops from Aceh. About 14,700 soldiers and 9,100 police officers are to remain in the province after the end of the withdrawals on Dec. 31.

In another development, head of the Aceh Rehabilitation and Reconstruction Agency (BRR) Kuntoro Mangkusubroto said the President had issued a decree governing the involvement of former GAM members in construction and rehabilitation work.

"This is a very important decree, particularly as regards supporting the rehabilitation and reconstruction process in Aceh," Kuntoro said in Jakarta, referring to Presidential Decree No. 15/2005 on the implementation of the memorandum of understanding between the government and GAM.

The government has promised to provide former GAM members access to the construction work -- a move that is expected to accelerate the reintegration of the former rebels into society.

Kuntoro also said Susilo was scheduled to visit Aceh to mark the first anniversary of the tsunami.

There will be a number of events held to commemorate the disaster, Minister of National Development Planning Sri Mulyani said.

Both the government and GAM agreed to return to the negotiating table after the Dec. 26 tsunami, which swept Aceh's coastline leaving more than 167,000 people dead or missing.

Blue_Sky

November 16th, 2005, 11:32 AM

Girlfriend blamed for marine's escape

Tiarma Siboro, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

A marine who was sentenced to death for the contract killing of a businessman managed to escape -- for the second time -- earlier this month with the help of his girlfriend, a naval officer said on Tuesday.

The commander of the Navy's Military Police, Commodore Sunarko A.G., said he had set up three groups of pursuers to find Suud Rusli, the marine, but did not give any deadline for an arrest.

"Suud is a former member of a special forces group. He is well trained, and it will not be easy to get him back. But from our preliminary investigations, we have concluded that his girlfriend, Ida, helped him escape from his cell," Sunarko said on the sidelines of a ceremony celebrating the Marines 60th anniversary.

Suud managed to escape from his cell in the military prison in Cibinong, West Java, using a hacksaw.

"We have questioned Ida's family -- who received a letter from her telling them that she is with Suud right now. I guess, with the girl by his side, he won't be able to get too far," Sunarko said.

He said Ida was an employee of a supermarket in southern Jakarta, and had provided Suud with the hacksaw he used to escape. However, it was not clear how she was able to get the saw into the prison.

This was the second time this year that Suud managed to escape from the jail. In May, he, along with his Navy companion, Syam Ahmad Sanusi, also escaped from a Navy detention center using a very similar method: cutting through the iron bars of the cell with a hacksaw.

Both Suud and Syam were sentenced to death for murdering businessman Boedyharto Angsono, the president director of PT Arena Sarana Bakti, in July 2003.

Boediharto's bodyguard, Second Sgt. Edi Siyep, who was an Army Special Forces (Kopassus) soldier, was also shot dead in the hit.

Suud and Syam were also dishonorably discharged from the Navy.

Unlike Syam, who remains at large, Suud was captured by a Navy team in Malang, East Java.

On Monday, Sunarko issued an order to capture Suud "dead or alive". He promised to segregate Suud in either the Cimahi military prison in West Java or the Surabaya military prison in East Java if the escapee was recaptured alive.

Following Suud's jailbreak, the military has dismissed the warden of the military prison, Lt. Col. Imam Subarkah, while four other soldiers, who were guarding the cell, were questioned over the incident.

However, Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Slamet Soebiyanto said the recapture of Suud and Syam should be the police's responsibility as "they are already civilians".

"Actually, the police are responsible for the recapturing of these former soldiers, and we (the Navy) are just helping the police," said Slamet, who presided over Tuesday's event.

Soenarko also said his team had discovered certain places in Greater Jakarta, including Bogor and Tangerang, where it was believed that Syam had been hiding.

macgyver

November 20th, 2005, 10:58 AM

Russia agrees to help Indonesia enhance defense industry

BUSAN, South Korea (AP): Russia agreed Saturday to provide further help in building up Indonesia's defense industry during talks between the leaders of the two countries, an Indonesian spokesman said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono met on the sidelines of the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum summit in this southern Koreancity.

"They discussed defense cooperation and the request for Russia to help Indonesia build our defense industry, transfer technology and so forth," said presidential spokesman Dino Djalal. "And thatwas agreed by Putin," he said.

Russia's presidential spokesman traveling with Putin could not be reached for comment late Saturday.

Djalal said he had little in the way of specific information, adding that there would be "more cooperation and provision of technology for our defense industry. But the details have to beworked out" at the level of Cabinet ministers and senior officials.

He said Indonesia and Russia have had a defense relationship, adding that Indonesia has purchased four Russian Sukhoi fighters. (***)

MARINHO

November 20th, 2005, 02:04 PM

Good news for Indonesia.
I hope that these fruitfull discussions with the Russians will change the minds of the U.S. Congressmembers. As said before, the US has a lot to gain if they remove the embargo against Indonesia. If the U.S. won't remove the embargo, the Russians, Chinese, Europeans will fill the gap.

The Russians can assist with the development of the Indonesian-made warship which is put on hold for this moment. They are also familiar with chemical weapons, ballistic devices and last but not amfibian aircrafts, vehicles etc.
Technology transfer will be the most succesfull solution.

http://www.gidroaviasalon.com/images/ac98/a-40_1.jpg

tata

November 23rd, 2005, 07:15 PM

dari detik.com

Pertahanan Udara RI Diantara Dua Pilihan, Sukhoi dan F16
Pemerintah Indonesia saat ini dihadapi dua pilihan penting di pertahanan udara, hidupkan kembali F16 atau melengkapi Sukhoi.

David-80

November 23rd, 2005, 08:00 PM

We should go for the SU-30KI (The indonesian version) that supposed to be delivered before the financial crisis. We need air superiority fighter and 5th generation of fighter. F-16 is also needed, but we need the C/D version or, the Block 52 version.

Air superiority = SU-30MK
Intercept fighter = F-16C/D
Air to ground = Hawk 100/200 (we already have these types)
Helis = Mi-35 and France made helicopter, Tiger helis.

cheers

Zorobabel

November 23rd, 2005, 11:26 PM

In my opinion the current state of Indonesia's air force and their plans for the future are very poor. If the purpose of the Indonesian military is to have a few flashy pieces of weaponry, I understand their vision. If, however, they want an operational and effective air force that can actually carry out the purpose of protecting key centers of Indonesia in the case of war then they need to make some serious changes.

Firstly, the goal should not simply be on getting more and more aircraft, especially in the case of Su-27/30s. For air superiority fighters you basically have to spend 100% of your initial investment on the plane on acquiring effective weapon systems for that fighter, and even more on having the proper internal systems. For example, an Su-30MK will carry 6 of most types of air-to-air missiles. I would think you would want at least 24 missiles for each aircraft. From the interviews of Indonesian generals after the initial acquisition of Su-27s and Su-30s, as early as late 2004 these aircraft had no internal support systems.

Secondly, training is expensive and probably the most important aspect of any air force. You have to be willing to spend the money on fuel, spare missiles, spare parts, as well as regular engine overhauls. I think the military brass has to be realistic in asking the question: "Who are we training to fight against?" As I said before, if they are only wishing to have a flashy air force that will impress the common people, I understand their actions. However, if they are wanting to prepare for the real possibility of hostilities with any of their neighbors, they have to prepare accordingly.

Various Israeli-Arab battles/confrontations/wars as well as Operation Desert Storm prove the point that superior hardware means nothing without proper training and well-maintained and equipped fighters. If it were up to me, which it isn't and it never will be, I would set my sights on first acquiring 12 Su-27/30s to create one active squadron. I would acquire early airborne warning and control systems. The Indonesian interception of US F-18s in late 2003 was an example of the importance of this. It took over 5 hours from detection to the point of IDing the aircraft, not to mention the fact that it was civilian operators that detected the US F-18s.

Once an active squadron is in place with the capability to react effectively and Indonesian has created the support systems necessary to maintain these aircraft (this process will likely take 2 years and $1 billion), then the focus can change to expanding to 4 squadrons in the 10 year timeframe. Along with early warning and detection, TNI-AU (not the army) should acquire advanced SAMs to protect key areas.

David-80

November 24th, 2005, 08:44 AM

I would acquire early airborne warning and control systems. The Indonesian interception of US F-18s in late 2003 was an example of the importance of this. It took over 5 hours from detection to the point of IDing the aircraft, not to mention the fact that it was civilian operators that detected the US F-18s

LOL, the funniest thing about that incident, its not the radar system that detected the fighters, but it was because some reports from Bouraq Airlines pilots that were flying at the same level with the F-18s. So yeah, we need to get AWACS airborne system.

Anyway, good point you brought up there, it is clear that TNI AU has the vision but buying new Sukhois and its armaments just not enough. They need to maintain and prepare for the sparts whenever they needs.

Btw, just wondering, why its TNI AU that needs to get the SAM? arent in the US army ,they are the one who responsible with the SAM system? AFAIK, the current SAM system like rapier and RBS-70 are under TNI-AD territorial system.

Do you think we should get the S-300 for the SAM system?

cheers

Zorobabel

November 24th, 2005, 10:05 AM

I think the low to mid level SAMs such as Rapier should be handled by the Army. The countries that have their most advanced SAMs operated by the Army usually have a very high level of integration between their various services. Countries that don't have this level of integration usually opt to give the critical aspects of air defense over to the Air Force. If Indonesia were to get the S-300 system I believe the Air Force should operate it because they (in the case I described) would be in control of the early warning systems. Therefore, they could plan and engage better than the Army could. Whereas the Navy and Army could have their own systems such as the Rapier and RBS-70 manpad system.

tata

November 25th, 2005, 06:04 PM

ryanr

November 25th, 2005, 06:20 PM

What were the US F18s doing anyways? And what happened after they detected them? I didnt hear anything about this.

David-80

November 25th, 2005, 11:41 PM

Zoro, do you refer this to the government plan for buying planes like Hercules for the next 5-10 years? I read in Kompas said, they plan to spend until 70% of budget on defence for buying un-lethal weapon following the lift of US embargo.

70% for unlethal weapon? I doubt it, i think it will be around 50%. TNI needs to get logistic and weaponry supports thats for sure. But, In fact, PT DI can help TNI restores all of TNI's hercules if the US already lift the sanction. The only C-130 still for sales are only the C-130H/J series and the C-130 fitted with Machine gun (The US army modified version).

GreyX, TNI-AU sent two F-16B to intercept the F-18s and they were doing some manuvers telling them if they were in Indonesia territory. But I do think, this move were politically motivated by the pro-sukhois people, to convince the house of representative if they needs to buy SU-30 ASAP. Remember, it was after five hours and the silly thing is, the command central in Jakarta already gave the F-18s approval to fly within the whiteline considered as International line (but still in Indonesia)

cheers

tata

November 26th, 2005, 11:00 AM

David, here's more news about the purchase of non-lethal weapon thingy.

Indonesia to purchase more Hercules from U.S.
Tiarma Siboro, The Jakarta Post/Jakarta

Instead of procuring lethal armaments from the United States, Indonesia has decided, initially at least, to purchase more Hercules transport planes over the next five to ten years as they are essential for supporting both military and non-military operations.

Minister of Defense Juwono Sudarsono made an announcement to this effect on Friday following the U.S. decision this week to lift its 14-year military embargo against Indonesia.

"The current threats (to domestic security) require rapid troop deployments," Juwono said. "The transport planes will also be of great benefit to the military (TNI) in carrying out civic missions, such as to transporting food, medicines and supplies to areas hit by natural disasters."

"We need to buy as many Hercules as possible because of the total of 24 transport planes purchased in the past, only six are still operational," Juwono said.

Three of the six transport planes were heavily used for relief efforts during last December's tsunami in Aceh that killed 131,000 people.

"Perhaps the purchase of new Hercules could account for up to 70 percent of the total procurement budget, while the remaining 30 percent will be used for the purchase of lethal armaments," the minister added without saying how much money would actually be available.

The 2005 state budget has allocated Rp 24 trillion (US$2.6 billion) for defense spending.

Juwono made his statement after holding a closed-door meeting with the U.S. ambassador to Indonesia, B. Lynn Pascoe, on defense issues.

The two officials also discussed the role of Indonesia in preventing terrorist threats in the crucial Malacca Strait and in the Southeast Asia region -- threats that encouraged the Bush administration to lift the military embargo.

Juwono said that despite the revival of full military ties with the U.S., Indonesia would continue to seek alternative sources of military supplies, including armaments from Russia, Australia, China, and Spain, because a "changing political situation in the U.S. could affect us (Indonesia) the most."

Washington imposed a partial military embargo on Indonesia in 1992 after a massacre blamed on the TNI in Dili, the capital of the country's former East Timor province.

The U.S. later imposed a full embargo in response to allegations of gross human rights violations linked to the military, again in East Timor, after the 1999 U.N.-sponsored ballot for independence.

The embargo seriously depleted Indonesia's defense capabilities.

Meanwhile, Pascoe said the U.S. decision to restore ties was intended to "normalize the military-to-military relationship between the two countries."

JP/1/IBOX .rm72

U.S. military embargo cripples RI air capability

Effects Year

Impounding of 1 F-5E jet fighter being overhauled in the U.S. 1995

Spare parts for F-5Es impounded in Malaysia, Singapore, 1995 Malaysia, Brazil

Spare parts for F-16s impounded in South Korea, New late '90s Zealand

Only 5 out of 10 F-16 jet fighters airworthy

Only 9 out of 24 Hercules transport aircraft operational

Source: Indonesian Air Force

sanhen

November 26th, 2005, 01:03 PM

Hercules.. I think its a good decision. Who knows when disaster will struct again...

David-80

November 26th, 2005, 03:31 PM

macgyver

November 26th, 2005, 04:52 PM

My friend working in PT DI is making this un-manned light plane.
this thing can be used as a surveillance and Early Warning System, too bad the goverment :bash: :bash: :bash: only thing about BBM, Proyek dan korupsi !!!
No funding .... :-((((

David-80

November 26th, 2005, 05:38 PM

Zorobabel

November 27th, 2005, 04:51 AM

We also need more LPD and LST ships, Hercules would be useless if the runway on any disaster area is destroyed by mother nature. I heard, that TNI AL will proceed for more LPD ships from Daewoo.
Agreed. Taiwan has been testing Indonesian SUT torpedos on their submarines for the last two years. I heard the trade was 40 landing craft from Taiwan to Indonesia for the torpedos. I suppose that transaction would have taken place in 2004. So, that is an improvement.

macgyver

November 27th, 2005, 08:48 AM

six months ago, I read on dephan website, that wrote about Malaysia intention to buy 5 UAV (umanned airplane) and CN-235MPAs from PT DI.

UAV role as AWACS is very limited IMO, TNI AU needs to buy proper AWACS system airplane like Pakistan and Malaysia.

cheers

Agree ... but don't forget we have this CN 235 modified for MPA ( Maritime Patrol A? ) ... small scale AWACS :D

If we have enough funding ... we certainly can build AWACS step by step ..
( see the Korea who make fighter jet, see india who make satellite and misillies )
We need more funding to defend our country

sanhen

November 27th, 2005, 01:30 PM

Yeah, I think PT DI is pretty good in making missile and torpedoes.

tata

November 28th, 2005, 05:26 PM

http://jkt2.detiknews.com/indexfr.php?url=http://jkt2.detiknews.com/index.php/detik.read/tahun/2005/bulan/11/tgl/28/time/212051/idnews/488117/idkanal/10

as reported in detik.com, TNI prefers to revive F16 than purchasing Sukhoi. The price of 1 Sukhoi can cover the cost of buying spareparts of 4 F16. However this doesnt mean we'll ban our Sukhoi

Fir3blaze

November 29th, 2005, 04:23 AM

Well, I would still prefer TNI AU get at least 1 squadron of Sukhois, to sort of form a balance between western and russian weaponries in our arsenal. Otherwise, we will continue to be prone to embargoes by certain countries.

Anyway, about the pricing, it's like saying buying 1 car is about the same price as getting spareparts for 4 car. The F16s in our service is Block 16 OCU, the latest is block 60 if I'm not wrong. So, instead of buying spareparts, I think we should be buying NEW F16s (or Sukhois).

David-80

November 29th, 2005, 09:11 AM

Our F-16s are F-16A/B Block 15 OCU. War machines can come later, buy the parts for our remaining F-16s and more logistical supports for the army and navy. Especially our anti-terror squads, because terrorism is what we are facing now, not war.

cheers

Fir3blaze

November 29th, 2005, 01:26 PM

Oops, I make so many mistakes today...Dave is right its Block 15, not 16. :)

I agree that right now air-superiority fighters is perhaps not at the top of our priority list; but if Indonesia were to spend good money on them (fighter planes), i reckon the money would be better spent at buying new Russian fighters or weapons for the 4 Sukhois we already procured. Just my 2 cents.

Alvin

December 2nd, 2005, 02:56 AM

Indonesia to revise budget for arms procurement, maintenance

Indonesia's Defense Ministry will in the near future revise its budget for purchase and maintenance of military weapons and equipment of the armed forces following the lifting of the US arms embargo on Indonesia last week.

"The Defense Ministry and the Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI) will soon evaluate the condition of military weapons and equipment, and we will also consider a revision of the budget for their supply and maintenance," Antara News Agency quoted Defense Minister Juwono Sudarsono as saying here Thursday.

The state budget for arms supply and maintenance is limited therefore the ministry and TNI will make a list of priorities, the minister said.

In a hearing with parliament, Juwono told members of the House's Commission I that most of the military weapons and equipment was very old, they were between 20 to 40 years old. Some of the country's war ships were between 41 and 64 years old. In the past five years, the budget for arms maintenance was only 20.22 percent of real need.

He said the country would go ahead with the purchase of Sukhoi 27 SK and 30 Mk fighter planes and at the same time prepare maintenance of US-made war planes such as F-5 Tigers and F-16 Fighting Falcons.

The US suspended military exchanges with Indonesia and banned military weapons and equipment sales to Indonesia in reaction to alleged human rights abuses during the processes of East Timor's separation from Indonesia in 1999.

Source: Xinhua

tata

December 2nd, 2005, 08:26 PM

Indonesia thinking buying Sukhoi from India

Indonesia Jajaki Peluang Beli Sukhoi dari India
Jum'at, 02 Desember 2005 | 23:51 WIB

TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta:
India telah mengantongi lisensi pembuatan pesawat Sukhoi dari Rusia. Ini bisa jadi peluang untuk Indonesia.

“Peluang itu (untuk membeli pesawat dan suku cadang pesawat dari India) ada,” ujar Kepala Staf Angkatan Udara Marsekal Djoko Suyanto beberapa waktu lalu. Indonesia memang sedang menjajaki hal itu.

“Tapi sekarang sampai empat tahun ke depan, India belum bisa memenuhi kebutuhan luar negeri. India produksi (Sukhoi) untuk kepentingan dalam negerinya dulu,” ujar Djoko.

Peluang ini diambil dengan pertimbangan mana yang lebih murah. “Kalau suku cadang dari India lebih murah dari Rusia, kenapa kita tidak beli dari India?” ujar Djoko.

Menurut Menteri Pertahanan Juwono Sudarsono, Departemen Pertahanan memang sedang meninjau hal tersebut. “Seandainya cocok kelayakan dan spesifikasi teknisnya serta harganya memang memadai (bisa saja). Tapi itu seandainya,” ujar Juwono menegaskan.

Fir3blaze

December 4th, 2005, 03:30 AM

From Jawapos.co.id

KRI Dewaruci Segera Dipensiun

SURABAYA-Setelah berusia 53 tahun dan telah melakukan pelayaran keliling dunia 34 kali, KRI Dewaruci bakal pensiun. Ini setelah Gubernur AAL (Akademi Angkatan Laut) Laksda Nono Sampono mengisyaratkan bakal segera mengistirahatkan kapal khusus untuk latihan ketahanan berlayar para kadet AAL itu.

"Saya telah mengirimkan proposal penggantian kapal ke pusat (Mabes TNI-AL, Red). Semoga saja cepat direalisasikan," ujar Gubernur AAL, Laksda TNI Nono Sampono.

Kapan target penggantian kapal layar tipe tiang panjang ini? "Insya Allah, dua tahun," jawab Nono singkat. Ketika ditanya mengenai kapal apa yang diincar sebagai penggantinya, Nono mengaku belum bisa memastikannya. "Mengenai penggantinya, tentu saja ini merupakan keputusan yang dibuat Mabes TNI-AL. Namun, yang jelas tentu yang lebih baik dari yang sekarang ini," jawabnya diplomatis.

Nono menyatakan bahwa alasan peremajaan kapal yang masuk jajaran TNI-AL pada 1 Oktober 1953 ini adalah karena faktor usia dan keamanan. "Sebaik apa pun perawatannya, semakin tua usia kapal, tentu saja semakin rentan faktor keamanannya. Selain itu, peremajaan ini juga mengikuti perkembangan zaman. Sudah seharusnya, kadet-kadet kita berlatih dengan kapal yang baik pula," tandasnya.

Sekadar diketahui, KRI Dewaruci baru saja merampungkan perjalanan panjang selama 250 hari keliling dunia. Jumat, 2 Desember lalu, kapal yang diawaki 81 ABK dan 82 Kadet AAL ini berlabuh di Dermaga Ujung, Makoarmatim, Tanjung Perak. Sejak dilepas Pangarmatim (saat itu) Laksda Sosialisman, pada 30 Maret lalu, kapal yang dibuat di galangan H.C. Stulcher Danshon, Hamburg, Jerman ini total telah melintasi 19 negara dan menempuh jarak sejauh 24.311 NM (Nautical Miles/ 1 NM setara dengan 1,8 km, Red.).

Dalam perjalanannya tahun ini, kapal yang dikomandani Letkol Laut (P) Soetarmono ini sempat mengikuti lomba layar internasional Tall Ship Race di Eropa Juni lalu. Dalam lomba itu, KRI Dewaruci menyabet tiga gelar juara, yakni The Most Entertaining, The Most Original Crew, dan The Best Ship in Crew Parade.

Menurut Pangarmatim Laksda Waldi Murad, selain menjadi kapal latih para kadet, KRI Dewaruci juga mengemban misi diplomatik. "Selain mempererat persahabatan dengan negara-negara yang disinggahi, awak KRI Dewaruci juga memperkenalkan kekayaan budaya dan pariwisata. Setidaknya, upaya ini merupakan sumbangan kecil usaha-usaha meningkatkan citra Indonesia," tandas mantan Dan Kodikal ini. (ano)

macgyver

December 5th, 2005, 03:37 PM

David-80

December 5th, 2005, 03:49 PM

No, Dewaruci is the ship for senior sailor students before they can graduate. They need to sail the ship around the pacific and some european parts. The sailors then made a few stops to do some cultural meets with the foreign and local people there. The ship also attended severals traditional ships tournament around the world and they usually won as the most favourites ship.

cheers

Fir3blaze

December 5th, 2005, 10:18 PM

The ship just finished another long journey when the article is published, so I don't think it sank Mac. But I think it's a sad thing, to have to part with the ship. They should convert it into a floating museum (and park it somewhere, maybe in Jakarta Kota area). :D

sanhen

December 6th, 2005, 02:08 AM

^^ Just like what they did in Melbourne, close to crown casino, the polly wood side museum or something.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/21/didier_rache,0.jpg

ambalat

December 8th, 2005, 10:29 AM

Yordania Hibahkan Pesawat Tempur F5 pada Indonesia
M. Rizal Maslan - detikcom

Jakarta - Makin banyak saja Indonesia menerima hibah. Setelah akan menerima hibah kapal laut dari AS, Indonesia juga ditawari hibah sejumlah pesawat tempur F5 dari Yordania.

"Yordan menawarkan hibah berupa pesawat tempur F5 dan beberapa kendaraan tempur dari tentaranya. Ini bisa dimanfaatkan oleh TNI AU dan TNI AD. Pada dasarnya kita terima tawaran itu," kata Menteri Pertahanan Juwono Sudarsono.

Hal ini disampaikan Menhan usai menerima kunjungan Panglima Angkatan Bersenjata Yordania Jenderal Khalid Jamil Sarayreh di Kantor Departemen Pertahanan, Jalan Medan Merdeka Barat, Jakarta Pusat, Kamis (8/12/2005).

Menurut Menhan, hibah ini ditawarkan karena ada program pembaruan alat utama sistem persenjataan di Yordania. "Belum tahu jumlahnya. Ini masih dikaji," ujar Menhan.

Dikatakan dia, Dirjen Rencana Pertahanan dan Dirjen Sarana Pertahanan akan mengkaji secara kritis mengenai jenis dan usia pakai pesawat yang dihibahkan, atau dibeli, atau diaktifkan lagi program pesawat F5.

"Kalau sudah 5 tahun mendatang masih kita pakai, sementara belum ada penggantinya tentu bisa dimanfaatkan untuk memperkuat daya tangkal pertahanan udara. Tetapi, setelah itu kita lihat efisiensi antara pengadaan F16 dengan pembelian yang baru jenis Sukhoi," papar Menhan.

Pertemuan dengan Jenderal Khalid juga membahas tentang kontrol terorisme.
"Kita bersepakat harus tegas. Tetapi kita sepakat akar terorisme adalah kemiskinan, ketimpangan, dan korupsi di antara pejabat yang harus diperangi. Ada kerjasama di antara pasukan khusus dua negara untuk kontrol terorisme," kata Menhan. (aan)

David-80

December 8th, 2005, 02:31 PM

Is it F-5E/F TigerEye or F-5E III tigershark ? We need more of these, F-5 still proven to be the best intercept fighter. Just recently, Malaysia TUDM also re-activate their F-5 squadron.

cheers

ambalat

December 8th, 2005, 05:01 PM

Indonesian navy heads for exercises near waters disputed with Malaysia

JAKARTA (AFP): The Indonesian navy on Thursday sent dozens of ships to take part in a major naval exercise off the east coast of Borneo near waters disputed with neighboring Malaysia, a navy spokesman said.

The exercise, codenamed Armada Jaya XXY, will include a beach landing by marines at Sangata just south of the border with Malaysia's Sabah state, as well as maneuvers in the Sulawesi Sea near an area also claimed by Malaysia, Eastern Fleet spokesman Toni Syaiful told AFP.

"Most of the ships left Surabaya today and the rest will follow tomorrow," Syaiful said, adding that a total of 36 ships would leave Surabaya in East Java, where the eastern fleet is based.

He said the ships carried around 5,000 personnel including marines and a variety of exercises would also be held on the way there.

The ships are to return to Surabaya on Dec. 18.

Syaiful last month described the exercise as Indonesia's largest-ever but denied it was a show of force.

In April warships from Indonesia and Malaysia collided with each other just north of the exercise area but no serious damage resulted.

Tension between the two countries has increased since Malaysia granted permission to Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell Group to conduct exploration in the area last year.

Since then, the two countries have deployed warships to the disputed area and stepped up their respective patrolling. (**)

tata

December 14th, 2005, 09:46 PM

Pemerintah Siapkan Pembelian Rudal untuk Sukhoi
Kamis, 15 Desember 2005 | 01:23 WIB

TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta: Departemen Pertahanan sedang memproses pembelian persenjataan untuk empat pesawat tempur Sukhoi buatan Rusia. Pesawat milik TNI Angkatan Udara itu hingga kini masih "ompong".

Direktur Jenderal Perencanaan Pertahanan Laksamana Muda Yuwendi, (14/12), mengatakan, persenjataan yang akan dibeli dari Rusia antara lain peluru kendali jarak jauh, jarak menengah, dan jarak dekat. "Diharapkan, pertengahan 2006, (persenjataan Sukhoi) sudah datang dan lengkap," kata Yuwendi.

Ia mengaku tidak ingat harga persenjataan itu. Namun, pada pembelian belum lama ini, Departemen Pertahanan mengucurkan Rp 28,8 miliar untuk sebagian kecil sistem persenjataan tersebut.

"Pokoknya pertengahan tahun ini, Sukhoi sudah bukan jadi macan ompong, tetapi jadi pesawat tempur sebenarnya," kata dia.

Pada bagian lain, Yuwendi mengatakan, Departemen Pertahanan, Markas Besar TNI, dan TNI AU telah mengkaji ulang rencana pembelian peralatannya. Ini dilakukan setelah Amerika Serikat mencabut embargo militer atas Indonesia.

Usulan pembelian peralatan dari Amerika kini juga datang dari TNI Angkatan Darat dan TNI Angkatan Laut. TNI AD mengajukan pembelian suku cadang dan senjata untuk kendaraan tempur serta panser yang sebelumnya tidak dapat beroperasi karena embargo. Sedangkan TNI AL mengajukan usulan pembelian rudal Harpoon untuk melengkapi kapal pemukul. Dimas Adityo

David-80

December 15th, 2005, 07:24 PM

last year, they were talking about buying 6 more sukhois, but none of them realized, then just last june, they were talking about buying the rockets, but none of them are happening. Now, they said the same thing again and again. Dephan and the military doesnt have a clear plan on defense procurement, they need to see the example of Singapore and Australia or even Malaysia with their defense procurement plan.

cheers

tata

December 15th, 2005, 08:44 PM

Yeap, I think I read somewhere news about buying the rockets last june, but then realized that it wasn't really a plan. What I want to say is, they just speak with the media without really having approved budget *my theory*
Do you know which commission in parlaiment handling military budget?

David-80

December 16th, 2005, 04:15 PM

Komisi 1 is in charge with Defense and national security. But the budget itself is coming from Dephan and the military doesnt have the access to do arms procurement without the approval of Dephan. It was different 5 years ago, Military can directly purchase anything without dephan approval.

cheers

macgyver

December 18th, 2005, 12:45 PM

Aussie denies trying to take over island
Date: 18/12/05

An Australian man says he is stunned by claims he banned locals from a remote Indonesian island where he runs a surf camp, sparking an intervention by the country's armed forces.

David Wyllie, of Terrigal on the NSW Central Coast, says he was not even in Indonesia when the military said 17 soldiers landed on uninhabited Mengkudu island, where the camp is located.

The 54-year-old surfer has also revealed he was investigated by Indonesia's intelligence agency and human rights and immigration officials three months ago over "untrue" allegations he torched a village when building the camp.

Colonel Airwind Nokbola, the military commander for East Nusa Tengarra province, last week told AAP that troops had raised Indonesia's flag on the island to assert its sovereignty.

He said locals had complained that Wyllie only allowed foreigners to go to the island, a palm-fringed speck lying between Bali and Timor.

Colonel Nokbola also said the troops had been ordered to protect Wyllie from irate locals on a neighbouring island, who believed he was a spy.

Laughing off the spy allegations, a shocked Wyllie said he had a good relationship with local people, having lived in the area for 15 of the 30-plus years he had spent in Indonesia.

"I was in Darwin when I saw an article about an Australian surfer who had supposedly taken over an Indonesian island," he told AAP in Bali.

"I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw my name.

"I see it as a smokescreen. I need to find out who or what is behind it."

He said a local army commander had told him no troops had even landed on Mengkudu.

Colonel Nokbola could not be contacted on Sunday, but last week he told AAP:

"My troops raised the Indonesian flag when they arrived on Mengkudu. It is ours.

"We need to protect (Wyllie's) safety because we know the local people don't like him and we wouldn't like to see them do something to him."

Wyllie said the latest allegations followed a visit "out of the blue" three months ago from Indonesia's intelligence agency, and human rights and immigration officers.

He said they investigated him over a report in Jakarta that he had "forced villagers off the island and burned down their houses".

But Wyllie said the island had always been uninhabited and the investigators appeared satisfied that he'd not done anything wrong.

"Mengkudu is part of Indonesia, there's no doubt about that," he said.

"The Indonesian flag has always flown over Mengkudu every independence day.

"I've never banned locals, as long as they don't steal, take turtles or do bomb-fishing.

"Why would I want to create an international incident over a piece of sand that doesn't even have fresh water?"

Wyllie said he suspected Indonesian businessmen who wanted the land he used for his surf camp could be trying to make trouble for him before he gets final approvals for the site, and business permits.

Although he built the surf camp in 2000, he said he was still awaiting various government approvals including a 65-year lease over the 10-hectare site.

Mengkudu, which is just 700 hectares in area, lies six kilometres off the south-eastern tip of Sumba island between Bali and West Timor.

Wyllie said he built eight bungalows there with a syndicate of Finnish investors and the King of Ngangi district, who also supported his efforts to stop turtle hunting and bomb fishing.

Wyllie, a father of four, said he lived in south-east Sumba with his second wife, who was the daughter of a tribal chief on a nearby island.

A small number of Indonesian staff stay at Mengkudu, which is currently closed for the wet season, he said.

Wyllie said business has been slow at the $US35-a-night ($A47) camp.

The last foreigners to visit were some of the Finnish investors about two-and-a-half months ago, he said.

Wyllie said he relied on income from traditional textile exports to keep the surf camp afloat, and said it would not be the first time local businessmen had made trouble for him.

He said that when he first moved to Sumba, businessmen in the capital Waingapu complained about outside investment and he was forced to close a hotel after problems getting the necessary government approvals.

Wyllie said that despite such problems, he loved living in Sumba, famous for its surf and fishing.

Copyright © 2005 AAP

macgyver

December 18th, 2005, 12:45 PM

Aussie denies trying to take over island

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An Australian man says he is stunned by claims he banned locals from a remote Indonesian island where he runs a surf camp, sparking an intervention by the country's armed forces.

David Wyllie, of Terrigal on the NSW Central Coast, says he was not even in Indonesia when the military said 17 soldiers landed on uninhabited Mengkudu island, where the camp is located.

The 54-year-old surfer has also revealed he was investigated by Indonesia's intelligence agency and human rights and immigration officials three months ago over "untrue" allegations he torched a village when building the camp.

Colonel Airwind Nokbola, the military commander for East Nusa Tengarra province, last week told AAP that troops had raised Indonesia's flag on the island to assert its sovereignty.

He said locals had complained that Wyllie only allowed foreigners to go to the island, a palm-fringed speck lying between Bali and Timor.

Colonel Nokbola also said the troops had been ordered to protect Wyllie from irate locals on a neighbouring island, who believed he was a spy.

Laughing off the spy allegations, a shocked Wyllie said he had a good relationship with local people, having lived in the area for 15 of the 30-plus years he had spent in Indonesia.

"I was in Darwin when I saw an article about an Australian surfer who had supposedly taken over an Indonesian island," he told AAP in Bali.

"I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw my name.

"I see it as a smokescreen. I need to find out who or what is behind it."

He said a local army commander had told him no troops had even landed on Mengkudu.

Colonel Nokbola could not be contacted on Sunday, but last week he told AAP:

"My troops raised the Indonesian flag when they arrived on Mengkudu. It is ours.

"We need to protect (Wyllie's) safety because we know the local people don't like him and we wouldn't like to see them do something to him."

Wyllie said the latest allegations followed a visit "out of the blue" three months ago from Indonesia's intelligence agency, and human rights and immigration officers.

He said they investigated him over a report in Jakarta that he had "forced villagers off the island and burned down their houses".

But Wyllie said the island had always been uninhabited and the investigators appeared satisfied that he'd not done anything wrong.

"Mengkudu is part of Indonesia, there's no doubt about that," he said.

"The Indonesian flag has always flown over Mengkudu every independence day.

"I've never banned locals, as long as they don't steal, take turtles or do bomb-fishing.

"Why would I want to create an international incident over a piece of sand that doesn't even have fresh water?"

Wyllie said he suspected Indonesian businessmen who wanted the land he used for his surf camp could be trying to make trouble for him before he gets final approvals for the site, and business permits.

Although he built the surf camp in 2000, he said he was still awaiting various government approvals including a 65-year lease over the 10-hectare site.

Mengkudu, which is just 700 hectares in area, lies six kilometres off the south-eastern tip of Sumba island between Bali and West Timor.

Wyllie said he built eight bungalows there with a syndicate of Finnish investors and the King of Ngangi district, who also supported his efforts to stop turtle hunting and bomb fishing.

Wyllie, a father of four, said he lived in south-east Sumba with his second wife, who was the daughter of a tribal chief on a nearby island.

A small number of Indonesian staff stay at Mengkudu, which is currently closed for the wet season, he said.

Wyllie said business has been slow at the $US35-a-night ($A47) camp.

The last foreigners to visit were some of the Finnish investors about two-and-a-half months ago, he said.

Wyllie said he relied on income from traditional textile exports to keep the surf camp afloat, and said it would not be the first time local businessmen had made trouble for him.

He said that when he first moved to Sumba, businessmen in the capital Waingapu complained about outside investment and he was forced to close a hotel after problems getting the necessary government approvals.

Wyllie said that despite such problems, he loved living in Sumba, famous for its surf and fishing.

© 2005 AAP

macgyver

December 19th, 2005, 02:27 PM

National

TNI Navy Training is Shadowed by Foreign Submarine
Wednesday, 14 December, 2005 | 21:55 WIB

TEMPO Interactive, Sangatta:A submarine is known to have shadowed TNI Navy military training Armada Jaya XXV in the waters of Sulawesi. “Since morning in the north, in the waters of Sulawesi, we are followed by a submarine,” said TNI Navy Adm. Slamet Soebijanto on the Dalpelle ship on Tuesday (13/12).

According to Soebijanto, it is difficult in the sea to detect submarines. Knowing it has been detected, the submarine moves even deeper which causes the TNI Navy to lose its trace.

Every four hours, Soebijanto said, the TNI Navy measures the salinity level, the sea pressure and temperature in order to identify the sea stratum. “If we know the stratum, we will be able to identify the submarine,” stated Soebijanto.

The presence of submarines in the TNI Navy combat training area has often been identified. “In every training session, we are followed by submarines,” Soebijanto stated. The presence of the submarines, he said, was identified through sonar.

However, with the limited equipment, the TNI Navy is unable to acknowledge the country flag of the submarine following it.

According to Soebijanto, the country that owns the submarines wish to know the capacity of the TNI Navy.

The war training sessions began from the Java Sea , the Sulawesi waters, and the East Kalimantan waters and it will reach amphibian training on Sekerat beach, Sangatta, East Kalimantan on Wednesday morning (14/12)

The training was opened by the Surabaya Eastern Fleet Command on November 21. The landing place is Sangatta, around 200 miles from Ambalat, Soebijanto said, that is still within Indonesia’s region. With this war training, he said, the TNI Navy must be able to show the extent of Indonesia.

The Navy war training had 5,000 personnel participating, 40 war ships, six aircraft and tens of amphibian tanks.
(Fanny Febiana-Tempo News Room)

jaystar

December 21st, 2005, 04:39 PM

indonesian f-16

http://www.voodoo.cz/falcon/andre/f16_twoseat.jpg

http://www.voodoo.cz/falcon/andre/blaue_falke.jpg

http://www.voodoo.cz/falcon/new4/bluefalcons.jpg

http://www.voodoo.cz/falcon/new4/F-16A_%26_B_Blok_15OCU(Indonesia)(Line-up).jpg

falcon
http://www.voodoo.cz/falcon/jl_bosma/03.jpg

http://www.angkasa-online.com/13/12/jpg12/FOKUS01Z.jpg

tata

December 22nd, 2005, 04:25 PM

Mulai 2006 Pembelian Alutsista Utamakan Produk Dalam Negeri

Jakarta, Kamis

Menteri Pertahanan (Menhan) Juwono Sudarsono mengatakan, mulai 2006 pembelian alutsista (alat utama sistem persenjataan) akan mengutamakan pembelian produk dalam negeri guna mengembangkan industri pertahanan nasional, dengan fokus pada pembelian alat angkut pertahanan.

Oleh karena itu, pihaknya bersama departemen dan instansi terkait lainnya akan membuat peta jalan untuk memajukan industri pertahanan dan membuka kemungkinan pembiayaan yang lebih terbuka.

Hal itu dikemukakan Juwono dalam konferensi pers bersama Menneg BUMN Sugiharto, Menristek Kusmayanto Kadiman, dan Sekjen Deperin Agus Tjahjana, usai rapat terbatas dengan Wapres Jusuf Kalla, di Istana Wapres, Jakarta, Kamis (22/12). "Ke depan pembelian alutsista dan pertahanan bukan berdasarkan anggaran dari tahun per tahun, karena pertahanan membutuhkan perencanaan pembiayaan berlanjut dan pasti," ujarnya.

Untuk itu, lanjut Menhan, pembelian alutsista akan dilakukan secara terencana untuk beberapa tahun ke depan atau setidaknya lima tahun ke depan yang pembiayaannya dijamin APBN, sehingga industri dalam negeri yang mendapat pesanan alutsista, seperti PT PAL, PT Dirgantara, PT PINDAD, dan lain-lain, tidak sulit untuk mendapat modal kerja dari bank.

"Kita akan mengutamakan (dari dalam negeri) pembelian alat angkut seperti pesawat terbang dan kapal patroli yang selama ini pengadaannya banyak dari luar dengan kredit ekspor yang seringkali lebih mahal," ungkap Juwono.

Selain itu, Menhan menilai hal itu juga penting untuk mengembangkan teknologi industri pertahanan tingkat madya dan kebetulan 70 persen pembiayaan pertahanan untuk transportasi. Oleh karena itu akan diutamakan pembelian alat angkut pertahanan seperti, CN 212, CN 235, kapal patroli dan kapal corvet. "Kalau tempur, seperti kapal selam dan pesawat jet tempur masih di luar jangkauan kita," katanya.

Selain itu, Menhan memperkirakan untuk alat tempur tersebut Indonesia masih akan tergantung pasokan dari luar negeri dalam jangka panjang. Menhan memperkirakan kebutuhan alutsista untuk lima tahun ke depan tersebut antara 300 juta sampai 400 juta dollar AS, yang kini tengah dibahas dengan Menkeu.

Pada kesempatan itu Menneg BUMN Sugiharto mengatakan pihaknya akan mendorong bank milik pemerintah untuk membuat skema pembiayaan alutsista tersebut.

Sementara Menristek Kusmayanto Kadiman menyatakan bahwa secara teknologi industri strategis di dalam negeri sudah mampu memenuhi kebutuhan alutsista tingkat madya. "Kita akan mulai tahun 2006 sampai lima tahun ke depan (untuk pembelian alutsista dari dalam negeri) sambil mengembangkan kemampuan (produksi) alat-alat pertahanan yang sifatnya memukul (tempur) dalam jangka panjangnya," kata Kusmayanto.

ambalat

December 23rd, 2005, 10:34 AM

indonesian f-16

falcon
http://www.voodoo.cz/falcon/jl_bosma/03.jpg

yg ini falconnya belanda :)

JAG2

December 23rd, 2005, 12:20 PM

yg ini falconnya belanda :)
Thats definetly a Dutch Falcon ! :)

tata

January 3rd, 2006, 11:05 PM

From www.detik.com: President SBY visits PT PINDAD and PTDI:

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/01/03/157/pindad6.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/01/03/157/pindad3.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/01/03/157/pindad1.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/01/03/157/pindad5.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/01/03/157/pindad4.jpg

http://www.detik.com/images/content/2006/01/03/157/pindad2.jpg

David-80

January 4th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Great to see the N250-100 airplane is still in good condition despite being abandoned for this past few years...

Btw, is that the torpedo that PT DI supplied to Taiwan? (1st picture)

Cheers

MARINHO

January 10th, 2006, 03:42 AM

Flight International
Brendan Sobie / Singapore

Indonesia is acquiring at least 36 used Eurocopter BO105 helicopters
to bolster its capability to respond to natural disasters.
Industry sources say Indonesian disaster relief agency Bakornas has agreed
to purchase for about $3million 36 ex-military BO105s being marketed by the German government. Bakornas's local agent is trying to acquire 20-30 additional BO105s from several sources and intends to distribute them to the army, navy and police.
The first 11 BO105s have already arrived in Jakarta of which four have been reassembled at Garuda's Maintenance Facility by technicians from Indonesian Aerospace (IAe). But they have not flown yet, nor has been assigned to an operator.
The police and army already operate BO105s on surveillance and light utility missions, but sources say they are reluctant to take the additional helicopters because they are not of the same specification.
The navy, which is being asked to introduce BO105s for utility missions, is also concerned about the aircraft's serviceability.
Sources say the helicopters are not being delivered with any maintenance documentation, but Jakarta has rejected Eurocopter's offer to develop a maintenance manual. IAe, which assembled the army's BO105s and maintains some of the existing aircraft, also warned it will not service the aircraft without the proper manuals. IAe so far has only been directed by the government to reassemble the helicopters and estimates it will cost about $1 million to upgrade each aircraft to existing specification.
A deficiency in indonesia's helicopter fleet was highlighted by the
26 December 2004 tsunami and earthquake and other recent natural disasters. The army prefers to acquire Western aircraft but has instead proposed acquiring 18-30 Bell 210s for light utility missions and four to six Boeing CH-47 Chinooks for a new heavylift disaster relief requirement. The police seek to instead acquire additional Bell 412s.
Sources say the BO105 deal is purely political and the other acquisitions may not go forward because of budget constraints.[/LEFT]