Best Modern Skylines of Eastern Europe: Part 3 - The Results

[Sergei]

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The polls are closed! Warsaw wins the "Best Modern Skyline of Eastern Europe" award.
Decided by the members of Skyscraper City Forums.

You can review the previous parts of The Best Modern Skylines of Eastern Europe series here:

Part 1 - The Nominations: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=130761

Part 2 - The Poll: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=150549

[Kommandant Mark]

Warsaw.... :master: :master: :master:

Hey, how about Best EE Train Stations now?:)

[3tmk]

:applause:
honestly you did a great job in these awards!
and I think Warsaw deserves the title too

[Sergei]

Warsaw.... :master: :master: :master:

Hey, how about Best EE Train Stations now?:)
I devised a new schedule that will take effect on the next voting rounds of the current series.

There will be ONLY 2 series on at the same time. Each serie, as you know, consists of 3 parts. In part 1, we nominate; in part 2, we vote; in part 3, we see the results. For the first two parts, a 1-week limit will be imposed on each. So, nominations will last ONLY a week, and the voting will have a preset end-date of a week. The results part can stay active as long as it likes.

So, this way, we will have 4 different series each month, and hopefully no more people complaining that I closed the poll too early, etc.

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[Kommandant Mark]

Sounds good!
So after Churches & Castles, could we have Train Stations & .............. (fill in the blank)

[Sergei]

Sounds good!
So after Churches & Castles, could we have Train Stations & .............. (fill in the blank)
Sure ... we have lots of ideas!

[DocentX]

Great job @iMariah :cheers:

Lodz is surprise for me - Riga deserves third place :)

[John]

Train stations is quite a good idea, plus I don't even know how most of the train stations of EE cities look like :D

[DocentX]

After best castles and churches we should create best Town Hall competition :cheers:

[OlekD]

iMariah - excellent job. The result are more less alike to my opinion!!!

[messiah]

I think this poll was ridiculous.You made out of a eastern european city like Istanbul a mideastern city only in order to have Warsaw at the top.If it helps you to feel better that way then it's good but if not there was no reason not to have Istanbul in this poll!! I don't say Istanbul should have been the winner but it easily could take part without any problems.

[John]

I think this poll was ridiculous.You made out of a eastern european city like Istanbul a mideastern city only in order to have Warsaw at the top.If it helps you to feel better that way then it's good but if not there was no reason not to have Istanbul in this poll!! I don't say Istanbul should have been the winner but it easily could take part without any problems.

Istanbul never was and is NOT an Eastern European city, it might be a Southern European or Mediterrainean but for god sake it's NOT Eastern European. It's ridiculous to claim such nonsense.

[messiah]

Istanbul never was and is NOT an Eastern European city, it might be a Southern European or Mediterrainean but for god sake it's NOT Eastern European. It's ridiculous to claim such nonsense.

If you say so thanIstanbul is a southeatern city like Barceleno,Rome,Marseille and not easteuropean like Bulgaria which is only 60 minutes away form Istanbul.Actually more eastern than Istanbul is not possible.It's the eastern end.

Just have a look at the map.Istanbul has nothing to do with mediterrainean cities.It's just 60 minutes away from Bulgaria.But as you said well make a mideastern or southern city out of Istanbul in order to have Warsaw at the top.

[John]

messiah, you obviously don't have much idea what Eastern Europe is. There's either a political or geographical term, neither Turkey nor Istanbul doen't fit to any of those terms. I understand your wish to show that Istanbul's skyline is better than Warsaw's or other cities' of EE but the fact is that Istanbul is not an Eastern European city just like isn't Rome, Milan, Islamabad or Buenos Aires.

[delfin_pl]

no Messiah you are wrong ,nobody cosiders Istanbul as EE city here thats why it is not included in this poll

[messiah]

One question and I'll go!

Bulgaria is eastern european right?Why not Istanbul?If you have a Porsche it takes you only 40 minutes from Istanbul to Bulgaria.And don't come to me with "political" borders which don't exist anymore!

[messiah]

no Messiah you are wrong ,nobody cosiders Istanbul as EE city here thats why it is not included in this poll

Nobody?According to the poll in this section 40% consider Istanbul as eastern european.Because of some Poles that didn't want Istanbul to take part in this poll we are a mideastern or southern european city!Ridiculous

[John]

@messiah

it might take 20 minutes to get from Africa to Spain, does this mean Spain is in Africa?

[messiah]

No because they are on two different continents.There is a natrual border between them.

[OlekD]

One question and I'll go!

Bulgaria is eastern european right?Why not Istanbul?If you have a Porsche it takes you only 40 minutes from Istanbul to Bulgaria.And don't come to me with "political" borders which don't exist anymore!

I think nowadays Turkey cannot be regarded as Eastern European state. You have to admit your culture is completly different than culture in contries of the region. You are still different kind of society. On the other hand Turkey is under improvment and it is matter of couple years when it will become more European than Asian, IHMO.

[messiah]

We are not talking about the EU or an union.We are talking about architecture and nobody needs religion or culture while comparing two buildings in two different countires.I still say it was ridicilous not to let Istanbul take part in this poll.Just tell me "No messiah we don't want Istanbul,we don't like the city " or something like this but "don't tell me Istanbul is a southern european city (at leat 400 km to the next southern city) or mideastern city (more than 1000 km to Iraq)

[blue_warsaw]

3 polish cities in first five - not bad :)

[oki]

Nobody?According to the poll in this section 40% consider Istanbul as eastern european.Because of some Poles that didn't want Istanbul to take part in this poll we are a mideastern or southern european city!Ridiculous

in my mind Turkey is not an european country, and nobody who says Eastern Europe thinks about Turkey. there are borders between east-, middleeast-, noth-, middle-, south-,southeast........europe, bud everybody define the course of the borders different.

[OlekD]

We are not talking about the EU or an union.We are talking about architecture and nobody needs religion or culture while comparing two buildings in two different countires.I still say it was ridicilous not to let Istanbul take part in this poll.Just tell me "No messiah we don't want Istanbul,we don't like the city " or something like this but "don't tell me Istanbul is a southern european city (at leat 400 km to the next southern city) or mideastern city (more than 1000 km to Iraq)

Of course you're right Religion or culture aren't necessary to compare two buildings, but We tried to compare skylines of EE and Turkey isn't still counted as a European state.(at least on this Forum) As I said the situation can change in a few years!!!

[messiah]

The border between asia ans europe is the Bosphorus.Everybody defines this like that.

Look at the map which I created some minutes ago

As I said before if you don't want Istanbul in this section than it's okay,I can't force you but don't tell me stories like "Istanbul is mideastern ciyt" or "Istanbul is southern european city".

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Sorry for the wrong written words in the text under the map but I can't change it anymore.

[OlekD]

The border between asia ans europe is the Bosphorus.Everybody defines this like that.

Look at the map which I created some minutes ago

As I said before if you don't want Istanbul in this section than it's okay,I can't force you but don't tell me stories like "Istanbul is mideastern ciyt" or "Istanbul is southern european city".

http://wowturkey.com/tr31/messiah_haktan_osteuropa.gif

Sorry for the wrong written words in the text under the map but I can't change it anymore.

Ok, finally I can agree that Istanbul geographically is in Europe , but politically, culturally still doesn't match to this part of the Word!!!

[3tmk]

You know it takes less than an hour to get from Gibraltar to Africa, so are we still in Europe?
It's bullshit, Turkey is not in Europe, Istanbul is just in it politically.
But I'm with you, Istanbul should have been in the poll, at least the Maslak and Levant part, I'd have voted for them

[messiah]

Could I persuade you? :) Now I'll try to persuade you that politically seen Istanbul/Turkey is european as well.Our biggest trade partner is the EU(business),we take part at every european organisation.UEFA,FIBA,etc..,Eurovision,different cultural meetings(cultural).We are a democratic country with the same constitution(since 2 years)as th EU.

Culturally we aren't eurpeans but there is not only one "european" culture.English culture is not the same as the polish or spanish,greek etc.. As lons as we don't live like tpical mideaterns (it won't nver happen) europeans won't have any problems with our turkish culture.I mean 20 million european tourists who come to Turkey every year don't have any cultural problems in Turkey.But visit Tunisia,Morocco or Dubia you'll see that a you are not in a christian country.This is not the case in Turkey.

[messiah]

You know it takes less than an hour to get from Gibraltar to Africa, so are we still in Europe?
It's bullshit, Turkey is not in Europe, Istanbul is just in it politically.
But I'm with you, Istanbul should have been in the poll, at least the Maslak and Levant part, I'd have voted for them

As yu can see I talked about Istanbul and not about Turkey all the time!I say Istanbul should take part in this poll and not Ankara or Izmir,Bursa,Konya etc..

[Cardelen]

Turkey is a country where European and Asian culture meets.

That's it !

[3tmk]

yeah I got myself into things you never said, but still

[delfin_pl]

According to the winner of the best modern skyline in Europe, look at this pic though its old and doesnt include Intercontinental,its still one of my fav pics of Warszawa

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[warpus]

The term "Eastern Europe" typically refers to European countries that were communist during the cold war. It has nothing to do with geography.

It is for this reason that I agree that Istanbul should not have been included in this poll. It is in Europe, but not Eastern Europe.

[Gatis]

OMG, there is not even possible to make a poll about Eastern European things without Turkey squeezing in. Please, why do you do it???!!!
:rant:

[OlekD]

Could I persuade you? :) Now I'll try to persuade you that politically seen Istanbul/Turkey is european as well.Our biggest trade partner is the EU(business),we take part at every european organisation.UEFA,FIBA,etc..,Eurovision,different cultural meetings(cultural).We are a democratic country with the same constitution(since 2 years)as th EU.

Culturally we aren't eurpeans but there is not only one "european" culture.English culture is not the same as the polish or spanish,greek etc.. As lons as we don't live like tpical mideaterns (it won't nver happen) europeans won't have any problems with our turkish culture.I mean 20 million european tourists who come to Turkey every year don't have any cultural problems in Turkey.But visit Tunisia,Morocco or Dubia you'll see that a you are not in a christian country.This is not the case in Turkey.


As I said Turkey is becoming more and more European, but unfotunately it doesn't acheive this goal yet.
European contries are sometimes very different from each other, but always have common roots(that means Ancient Greece, Roman Empire and the Bible). And these roots allow say that f.e. Latvia and Spain are parts of a common culture. If the Turkish society accept the patterns from these sources, Your nation will be in Europe.

[warpus]

OlekD, there are a LOT of agnostics, atheists, muslims, etc. living in Europe. The christian bible is not common to all europeans.

[OlekD]

OlekD, there are a LOT of agnostics, atheists, muslims, etc. living in Europe. The christian bible is not common to all europeans.

The bible needn't be common among Europeans ,but the rules contained in this book are real base of European culture ragardless of fact how many non-christians inhabit Europe.

[Sergei]

Do we need another discussion about where Istanbul is located?
I think we had about 5 threads dominated by this discussion in the last month.

[Sergei]

Thanks to everyone for their compliments. ;)

[warpus]

The bible needn't be common among Europeans ,but the rules contained in this book are real base of European culture ragardless of fact how many non-christians inhabit Europe.

The rules contained in the Bible are not a basis for European culture. For example, homosexuality is denounced in the Bible and yet many European countries accept homosexuality and even allow homosexual marriage.

I agree that historically most of Europe has been influenced and shaped by Christianity, but that does not mean that the Bible is a basis for European culture today.

[warpus]

Do we need another discussion about where Istanbul is located?
I think we had about 5 threads dominated by this discussion in the last month.

The problem is that people disagree what "Eastern Europe" stands for; perhaps we should have a discussion on that subject. It is generally accepted that "Eastern Europe" is a political term that refers to the former communist countries in Europe. Some people don't understand this or choose to ignore it!

[OlekD]

The rules contained in the Bible are not a basis for European culture. For example, homosexuality is denounced in the Bible and yet many European countries accept homosexuality and even allow homosexual marriage.

I agree that historically most of Europe has been influenced and shaped by Christianity, but that does not mean that the Bible is a basis for European culture today.

But the whole beauty of our culture depend on fact that it is developing round-the-clock. If we used all rules from the Bible, there would be no progress and we would live like ancient Jewish people. So some norms are converted in to others - it's quite normal!!!
On the contary to your statment I can mention ancient Greece - where very popular was capital punishment (For exapmle Socrates was condemned to death). Nowadays There is no place for this punishment in Legal system of each western European state. But it doesn't mean that Greece isn't our cultural source.

[Mantas]

OMG, there is not even possible to make a poll about Eastern European things without Turkey squeezing in. Please, why do you do it???!!!
:rant:
Seems that turks are doing their best ;)

[chris9]

But the whole beauty of our culture depend on fact that it is developing round-the-clock. If we used all rules from the Bible, there would be no progress and we would live like ancient Jewish people. So some norms are converted in to others - it's quite normal!!!
On the contary to your statment I can mention ancient Greece - where very popular was capital punishment (For exapmle Socrates was condemned to death). Nowadays There is no place for this punishment in Legal system of each western European state. But it doesn't mean that Greece isn't our cultural source.

You're wrong. If we followed the rules of the Bible we would've developed on the same level as we are today, if not better. The only difference are less stringent moral norms wchich people like to pursue so much, but they are mistaken if they think moral liberalism is a condition of human development.

[OlekD]

You're wrong. If we followed the rules of the Bible we would've developed on the same level as we are today, if not better. The only difference are less stringent moral norms wchich people like to pursue so much, but they are mistaken if they think moral liberalism is a condition of human development.


there are in the bible many norms concerned f.e. civil law (very primitive) - If we used these norms in the age of omnipresent inventions like Internet, computers etc., it would be the end of civilization.
But Of course there are many rules esspecially these connected with human morality, which are still up to date, and don't disturb in any development!!!

[warpus]

You're wrong. If we followed the rules of the Bible we would've developed on the same level as we are today, if not better. The only difference are less stringent moral norms wchich people like to pursue so much, but they are mistaken if they think moral liberalism is a condition of human development.

If we followed the rules of the Bible word by word we would have stayed in the stone age.

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT)

As I was saying, the Bible might be full of interesting stories, but it is no moral guide to live our lives by. At least not literally.

[Sergei]

The problem is that people disagree what "Eastern Europe" stands for; perhaps we should have a discussion on that subject. It is generally accepted that "Eastern Europe" is a political term that refers to the former communist countries in Europe. Some people don't understand this or choose to ignore it!
We've had about 50 discussions, and hijacked various threads for these discussions. Apparently, it's STILL not clear.

[chris9]

If we followed the rules of the Bible word by word we would have stayed in the stone age.

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT)

As I was saying, the Bible might be full of interesting stories, but it is no moral guide to live our lives by. At least not literally.

As for the old testament, you have to take under consideration, that many parts of the old testament referred only to the people of Israel and their rules or how they should behave in a particular case regarding a pagan tribe. New testament carries a message of salvation to all people not only Jews, people who believe in Christ are saved by faith in Jesus not by the law of Moses and therefore the law of Moses from the old testament no longer applies to them (as Jesus said) except exceptions like the ten commandments which are universal (Read the references at the end of passages in the old testament and what they relate to in the new testament and find the explanation of the attitude we should have towards some passages in the old testament as explained by Jesus or his disciples, you may see a priest who could maybe clarify some matters more than I can for you) . Bible is a moral guide by all accounts and it is a free choice of yours to obey or disobey God's law. We should not kill or force people to obey the law of God, which is the Christian Bible. Not by killing or coercion but by persuation and love. We will be judged after death whether you want it or not, you may accept that women should not teach in churches or not - it does not imply that they should not be treated with dignity or love, but such is the law of God and it is not up to you to decide what is fair what is not, using your human nature which is corrupted by sin. It is true though that women should not have the position of authority in the church and are not allowed to preach. It is the same with homosexuality, God so ordained in His word, He is the Creator and He set the rules for us to follow in love and faith.
These are examples of how everything would be better if we did follow the law of the Bible (Just some random examples, because it is not a thread about a theological dispute):

Ephesians 4:29-32
"Do not any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up, according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."

Ephesians 5:8-9
"For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the lord. Live as children of light. For the fruit of light of the Lord consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth."

Colossians 3:5
"Put to death, therefore whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry".

1st Letter to St. Peter 3:1-2,7
1-2) "Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them so not believe the word, they mey be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives."
7) "Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers."

1 Peter 3:8-9
"Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing."

Remember warpus, think before you take passages out of context, even the devil can twist the truth to suit his own needs of deception.

Praise Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

[Piotr]

Great job, and I cant wait for trainstations. Unfortunately Warsaw will not win that one :(

As for Istanbul. I have absolutely no problem with Turks posting on this forum, but EE generally refers to the former communist blok, which Greece and Turkey are not part of, even if they are in the east half of Europe. So I dont think Istanbul should have participated in this poll. The definitions are changing however. But again I state that to me, Turks are more then welcome on the forum.

[warpus]

Chris9, i find it interesting that you say that the bible is a moral guide but then carefully pick and choose which quotes are "good" and should be followed. If you're going to live by the bible, live by all of it. If you say that the bible is a good moral guide then look at the BAD quotes and try to explain them.

Anyway, this is really getting off topic.

[chris9]

Chris9, i find it interesting that you say that the bible is a moral guide but then carefully pick and choose which quotes are "good" and should be followed. If you're going to live by the bible, live by all of it. If you say that the bible is a good moral guide then look at the BAD quotes and try to explain them.

Anyway, this is really getting off topic.

There are no bad quotes in the Bible. Maybe for unbelievers like you, because you don't understand the meaning of it.

[warpus]

There are no bad quotes in the Bible. Maybe for unbelievers like you, because you don't understand the meaning of it.

Then what about these quotes? Or are you just going to ignore them?

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT)

[chris9]

Then what about these quotes? Or are you just going to ignore them?

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT)

I already explained that in my long post above in first paragraph.

[Roman_Bratny]

Sounds good!
So after Churches & Castles, could we have Train Stations & .............. (fill in the blank)

Sure ... we have lots of ideas!

Stadiums, theathres, pedestrain streets etc...

[ch1le]

Very super good nice yber Job! Tallinn second, i cant belive it, Nice job fellas!

Warsaw is the undoubteble winner! Great job!

[ahsm]

I don't see what the problem is, I looked at several atlas's and map of both Asia and Europe and Turkey is not in Europe. It is considered in Asia. Also, why do Turkey and Israel take part of European events? Like Eurovision, or UEFA, in UEFA participate Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Israel, Turkey. And UEFA Champions league. WHY???

[AdamT]

I don't see what the problem is, I looked at several atlas's and map of both Asia and Europe and Turkey is not in Europe. It is considered in Asia. Also, why do Turkey and Israel take part of European events? Like Eurovision, or UEFA, in UEFA participate Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Israel, Turkey. And UEFA Champions league. WHY???

It's called "Politics" and politics is a dirty thing to handle. Everyone in every country in this world knows this :runaway:

[Petr]

I don't see what the problem is, I looked at several atlas's and map of both Asia and Europe and Turkey is not in Europe. It is considered in Asia. Also, why do Turkey and Israel take part of European events? Like Eurovision, or UEFA, in UEFA participate Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Israel, Turkey. And UEFA Champions league. WHY???
Then You must look closer because most of Istanbul (including its main cluster) due to geography is in Europe.

[Sergei]

Then You must look closer because most of Istanbul (including its main cluster) due to geography is in Europe.
Istanbul is geographically in Europe, but we're talking about Turkey.
Istanbul =/= Turkey.

[Petr]

Istanbul is geographically in Europe, but we're talking about Turkey.
Istanbul =/= Turkey.
This thread is about skylines so I'm talking about Istanbul skyline. If You conider Athens and Sofija EE, You should also consider Istanbul EE IMHO.
Remember that Turkey (also Russia) is a country where differences between regions are much bigger than in european countries.

[Sergei]

This thread is about skylines so I'm talking about Istanbul skyline. If You conider Athens and Sofija EE, You should also consider Istanbul EE IMHO.
Remember that Turkey (also Russia) is a country where differences between regions are much bigger than in european countries.
True.
But anyways, I always thought that Istanbul should be included in the poll, but I made a poll, people voted, and we have to accept that.

[Boycie]

There are no bad quotes in the Bible. Maybe for unbelievers like you, because you don't understand the meaning of it.

OMG! What an argument...the horrrrorrr...the horrror... :D
:puke:



:cheers:

[Koniaczeq]

We are simply the best :D :cheers:

[delfin_pl]

nice shots of Warsaw's downtown

michau
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/warszawa/2005/050425_z_bloku_wilanowska/050425_wilanowska_7485_cl.jpg
http://img166.echo.cx/img166/9008/warszawa29jl.jpg

[wholagun]

:dance: :dj:

Best thing about Warsaw is that its still growing :cheers: Frankfurt of Central and Eastern Europe.